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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Then welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Campion back with us, author of the number one

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Speaker 2: best selling books The Art of Psychic Reiki and the

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Speaker 2: award winning Energy Healing for Mpaths, as well as upcoming

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Speaker 2: books Awakening Your Psychic Ability and Psychic Awakening Journal. She

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Speaker 2: is a psychic counselor Reiki Master teacher with more than

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Speaker 2: thirty years of experience specializing and training emerging psychics, empaths,

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Speaker 2: and healers to fully step into their gifts. And here

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Speaker 2: she is back on Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 3: Lisa, have you ben, I've been really good, George, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me back.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this lots to talk with you

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Speaker 2: about about psychic abilities and psychic vampires. We're going to

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Speaker 2: have some fascinating nights of discussion. Awakening your Psychic Ability.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

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Speaker 3: So I wrote this beautiful book that really is going

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Speaker 3: to encourage everyone to think that they have psychic ability,

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Speaker 3: and that it's really more like a skill like athletic

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Speaker 3: ability or musical ability that anyone can learn. I think

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Speaker 3: people have this idea that you're either born psychic, it's

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Speaker 3: something you have or you don't have, and that's not

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Speaker 3: a way to work on it. But I really think

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Speaker 3: there is a way to develop it, and anyone can

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. Tell us about your.

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Speaker 3: Ability, you know, I was one of those people that

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Speaker 3: was kind of, you know, born with those pretty strong gifts.

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Speaker 3: I just had the ability to see things, to see

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Speaker 3: colors around people, to see spirits, to see ghosts, see angels.

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Speaker 3: And because I was born in the sixties and grew

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Speaker 3: up in the seventies and eighties, back then that was

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Speaker 3: a pretty strange thing. I learned how to not talk

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Speaker 3: about it, how to just tend to be normal in public,

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Speaker 3: and it was really difficult. I think I suffered and

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Speaker 3: struggled a lot with it, and I really feel strongly

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Speaker 3: about helping people that are undergoing a psychic awakening to

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Speaker 3: have an easier time of it than I did.

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Speaker 2: Well, So, what is a psychic vampire to you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like there's definitely some people out there

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Speaker 3: that learn how to steal energy from other people, energy

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Speaker 3: vampires and psychic vampires. Psychic vampires kind of connect to

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Speaker 3: us using their strong psychic ability, and then they cut

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Speaker 3: feed on us and energy vampires do the same thing,

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Speaker 3: and they cook into our emotions and into our energy

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Speaker 3: because they don't know how to get energy on their own.

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Speaker 2: Since you've been doing this, have you come across any

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Speaker 2: psychic vampires?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have quite a few, And you know you've

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Speaker 3: had one if you start dreaming about them or you

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Speaker 3: start thinking about them a lot. They just they're very psychic,

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Speaker 3: and they connect into us in a psychic way and

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Speaker 3: use their psychic ability to try and manipulate us. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: they do it on purpose. Sometimes they don't know they're

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Speaker 3: doing it, but that might happen if you, you know,

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Speaker 3: happen sometimes in romantic relationships, and if you start thinking

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Speaker 3: about that person or sort of obsessing about that person

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Speaker 3: and they start so going up in there in your dream,

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Speaker 3: that's something that you need to deal with.

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Speaker 2: Not all psychic vampires know that they are, do they No.

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Speaker 3: No, they really don't always know that they are. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: they're just they're just trying to hustle and get through

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Speaker 3: the day like the rest of us are, and that's

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Speaker 3: how they feed themselves, how they get energy, and they

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Speaker 3: don't know they're doing it. But some really do, and

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Speaker 3: that's concerning to me, that's problematic.

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Speaker 2: Years ago, I knew a guy named Andy. He would

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Speaker 2: hang out at the Rich Carlton in Saint Louis and

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Speaker 2: he'd sit in the lobby bar, always by himself. And

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Speaker 2: I was there with a group of boddies and you'd

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Speaker 2: he said, no, I'm not okay, he said for some reason.

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Speaker 2: And it was a nice guy. I mean, he didn't

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Speaker 2: weird vibes from this person. I mean the more you

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Speaker 2: vampires were and to tell him to work on it.

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Speaker 2: And in two weeks when we came by there again,

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Speaker 3: That's such a beautiful story, George. Thanks for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: Story, and I think it's changed as life. Lisa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it really did, you know. I feel

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Speaker 3: like Psyche's vampires. There's a couple of different kinds. There's

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Speaker 3: some kinds that are just needy, like they have, you know,

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Speaker 3: deep emotional needs and they don't know how to get

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Speaker 3: those needs met. And I'm sure we've all been around

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Speaker 3: children that, you know, that are in that sort of

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Speaker 3: phase where they feel like they're just really calling on

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Speaker 3: you know, people like that can learn how to kind

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Speaker 3: of fill themselves from the inside and then relate to

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Speaker 3: people in a different way. There is a type of

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Speaker 3: energy vampire psychic power called the predatory vampire, and they're

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Speaker 3: really kind of more like psychopathic in nature, and they

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Speaker 3: don't have a lot of investment in using and those

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Speaker 3: ones are will kind of like use you, chew you

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Speaker 3: But fortunately that's pretty rare.

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Speaker 2: How do you know you're under shriking attack.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna feel just like you did in that story, George,

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Speaker 3: really exhausted when you're around somebody, Yeah, you might feel

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Speaker 3: it sort of like a tugging or pulling in your

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Speaker 3: soul or plexus, or get a headache in the back

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Speaker 3: of headache. Those are really common ways to tell.

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Speaker 2: Can it hurt you? You know?

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Speaker 3: Can I saw this for a long time when I

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Speaker 3: all kinds of problems. She had, you know, immune system issues,

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Speaker 3: she would look great. She would leave the session and

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Speaker 3: she would look created, and then she'd come back the

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Speaker 3: next week it looked like kind of like a deflated balloon.

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Speaker 3: And I could never figure out why. I'm actually really

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Speaker 3: It Eventually it broke up and then she went back

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Speaker 2: You talk about four kinds of energy vampires. What are they?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's the predatory vampire, which we were just talking

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Speaker 3: like they don't really know, they just feel really like

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Speaker 3: disempowered in life. Then there's the situational energy vampire, which

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Speaker 3: can really happen to any of us if we fall

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Speaker 3: on hard times. You know, you lose your job or

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Speaker 1: You know, you just you.

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Speaker 2: Become a temporary psychic vampire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not your fault, it's just due to

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Speaker 3: the situation that you're in, you know. And then sometimes

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Speaker 3: they're not careful. If they if you let yourself get

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Speaker 2: Do you know it?

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Speaker 3: You know, some people do and some people don't. I

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Speaker 3: was so surprised when I wrote my book Energy Healing

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Speaker 3: for Empaths that how many people I had contact me

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Speaker 3: and tell me, I think I have an energy vampire

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Speaker 3: and I don't want to be. Can you help me

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Speaker 3: to do about it? And so some people really know

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Speaker 3: can't figure it. They have it's not on their minds.

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Speaker 3: They're not trying to do it, and they have no

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Speaker 2: Are some people born psychic vampires or do they develop

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Speaker 3: I think some people are born that way. That would

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Speaker 3: and there's you know, I guess their brains are sort

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Speaker 3: learn how to get energy and attention from other people

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Speaker 3: like the victim vampires can recover and find new ways.

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Speaker 2: To be well with Lisa Champion. Her website is linked

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Speaker 2: up at coast tocoastam dot com. Her latest book is

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Speaker 2: called Awakening Your Psychic Ability. We'll talk about that tonight

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Speaker 2: as well and take your calls later on tonight. These

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Speaker 2: psychic vampires, are they manipulative people? Are they good at

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Speaker 3: The predatory kind? Absolutely? Are they one hundred percent? No,

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Speaker 3: they're doing it. They're like they're kind like con artists.

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Speaker 3: They're shape shifters, and a lot of times you've heard

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Speaker 3: a lot about narci cysts and narcissistic abuse patterns. They're

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Speaker 3: really like that. And they they will choose somebody they're

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Speaker 3: quite psychic themselves, honestly charged, and they use their psychic

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Speaker 3: into being what you want, saying the right thing. And

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Speaker 3: called love bombing, and they kind of use that to

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Speaker 3: can be your time, your attention, your money, the food

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Speaker 3: You're like this power source for them. They'll drain and

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Speaker 3: they'll stick with that until you're out, until you're empty,

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Speaker 3: or until you wise up and stop giving to them,

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Speaker 3: and then they kind of callously move on. They'll just

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Speaker 2: Who is more apt to be a psychic vampire, a

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty I don't think it matters. I've

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Speaker 3: seen it real evenly distributed.

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Speaker 2: Interesting take on all of that, And is this widespread,

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Speaker 3: Know, I think it's a certain percentage, a small percentage.

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Speaker 3: I think they say psychopaths are like one to two

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Speaker 3: percent of the population. But I'm gonna see chances are

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Speaker 3: you know, the victim vampire. They call you up and

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Speaker 3: they like to complain. They they're usually kind of addicted

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Speaker 3: and they often create more traumas and traumas because they

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Speaker 2: Those that know they're psychic vampires, Lisa, those that know

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Speaker 2: they're psychic vampires. What's the best way to protect yourself

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Speaker 3: If it's a victim type vampire, then you really really

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Speaker 3: need strong boundaries. So you need to learn how to

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Speaker 3: want to give into those relationships. Sometimes if it's your

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Speaker 3: and so I'm like, oh, okay, that person's calling me

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see them a couple of times a year.

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Speaker 3: So we need to set strong boundaries and they will

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Speaker 3: find other people to fill to get filled FUM, so

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Speaker 3: we don't need to worry about that. They're very repourceful

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Speaker 3: that way. And if you have, if you know, you're

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Speaker 3: the time where we really you might really need to

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Speaker 2: Does prayer help or anything like that?

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes prayer can help, especially if there's those

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Speaker 3: in you, prayer can help. I would say prayer, yes,

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Speaker 2: Interesting take. Have you come across many psychic vampires yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I have, you know, And it's so interesting to

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Speaker 2: And maybe you're a magnet.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know people who are really sensitive and a

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Speaker 3: you know, people have like sort of not they see

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Speaker 3: the best in everybody. We were like, oh, I can

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Speaker 3: hard for us to see the baden people. We just

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Speaker 3: And that's easy to let the vampires light in there,

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Speaker 3: and they will use that.

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Speaker 2: Of these of these four types of psychic vampires, the

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Speaker 2: predatory ones good or bad people.

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Speaker 3: Generally, they're they're psychopaths, so pretty bad about the victim.

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Speaker 3: They're usually really good people. They're just under hard times.

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Speaker 3: Often really bad things have actually happened to them, and

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Speaker 3: they just kind of learn how to cash in on

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Speaker 3: and they often don't know that they're being a vampire.

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Speaker 2: How about the situational person, you know, I just.

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Speaker 3: Think that they often don't know either. And then because

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Speaker 3: it's temporary, like we all fall on hard times, you know, George, Right,

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Speaker 3: So I feel like in some ways we need to

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Speaker 3: give these cupies some flack and hope that as clients

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Speaker 3: get better for them, they stop doing that and they

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Speaker 2: How about the path.

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Speaker 3: Empops can be some of the worst energy vampires out

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Speaker 3: there and often don't know they're doing it. So if

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Speaker 3: you are an EmPATH and you're a sensitive, it's very

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Speaker 3: very important to learn how to take care of yourself,

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Speaker 3: how to sew up your own energy tanks, how to

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Speaker 3: you know, put yourself on your own lists so that

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Speaker 3: you're giving from a full tank. And if you're doing that,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna you know, that's not gonna happen to.

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Speaker 2: You get a psychic vampire who knows they're one, fix

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Speaker 3: I think it takes some work, but yes, for sure,

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Speaker 3: you know, it just takes like some work to learn

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Speaker 3: some empathy, to learn how to think about how other

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Speaker 3: Maybe this is a time when you want to learn

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Speaker 3: or you you find something in your life that's going

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Speaker 3: other people, you know. But I think that it can

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Speaker 3: thought it would be that people want to recover from

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Speaker 2: Have you ever met anybody who was affected by a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's really common, especially if you're married to one,

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Speaker 3: or you live with one, you're working with one all

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Speaker 2: Totally toxic, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, can be really toxic, especially those predatory types.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to come out okay from that relationship.

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Speaker 3: You know it's going to do damage to you.

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Speaker 2: Pressure and if you go into court and say my

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Speaker 2: the judge is going to throw you out.

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Speaker 3: That's that's right. They're not going to listen to that.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of times those are abuse of relationships.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you look up you know narcissistic abuse,

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Speaker 3: whole narcissistic abuse recovery movement. There's a lot of good

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, It truly is. But you think people can

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Speaker 2: fight this situation, I.

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Speaker 3: Think certainly you can. So you can be empowered, you

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Speaker 3: can learn how to say no because at boundaries you

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Speaker 3: can get energy boundaries, and you know, if you need

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Speaker 3: that's important to do.

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