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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I hope you're Friday's treating you well. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you here on One Bill's Live. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us, spending your afternoon here as we continue

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Speaker 2: the countdown to training camp, and it's closing in fast now.

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Speaker 2: I mean rookies have been here since Tuesday, I want

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Speaker 2: training camp this weekend, so they'll be out there and

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Speaker 2: get short order as they are being acclimated to NFL.

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Speaker 1: Always comes out. You'll hear stories. Everybody says Geese, I

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Speaker 1: wonder how long they're gonna keep going to Saint John Fisher.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how long this is gonna go because let

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Speaker 1: me tell you something. You have to ask that question

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Speaker 1: when you see what happens here in this building when

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Speaker 1: they go to training camp.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the moving vans, they take everything. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: think the biggest task is all the weight from.

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Speaker 1: Period me when I had five young kids we went

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Speaker 1: on vacation in the big suburban How much stuff you

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Speaker 1: could get into that, that's how much we take the

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Speaker 2: Yeahs were here in the parking lot drive They take everything.

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Speaker 2: It was funny. I'm watching the moving guys come out

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Speaker 2: and one of the guys had two like fifty pound

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Speaker 2: a very nice farmer's carry there. I was coming into work.

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Speaker 2: He's laughing at me. I'm laughing at him. They take,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like all the weight room equipment goes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just bananas, it's nuts. Yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: A big dude gets I'll say this, it's no small thing.

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Speaker 1: It's Sean McDermott's call. And Brandon is on board with

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Speaker 1: it because you know, I mean, I'm sure that Terry

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Speaker 1: want to, okay, fine, we'll go. But it's all about

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Speaker 1: team building and getting away and having an environment where

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Speaker 1: it's all football all the time and it's all teammates

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Speaker 1: and all of us all the time. We got to

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Speaker 1: get acclimated and you know, we got to have that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a. Yeah, it's a two and a half

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Speaker 2: week exercise in that it's.

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Speaker 1: Essentially exercise literally, I mean, that's all there is to it.

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Speaker 2: And it's football twenty four hours a day. You can't

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Speaker 2: so you're kind of just immersed in that environment.

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Speaker 1: Every waking moment is with the guy, all guys on

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Speaker 2: And I think it's clear that Brandon Being and Sean

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Speaker 2: mcderham still see enormous value in that, and maybe more

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Speaker 2: value in it this year than in previous years because

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Speaker 2: of the player turnover they've experienced, sure, and more youth

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Speaker 2: So maybe even more bang for their buck this year

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Speaker 2: previous years. Steve, were you at work yet when the

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Speaker 2: blue screen debacle went down? Because I was not the doctors.

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Speaker 1: Know what happened earlier, We got tech, we started getting

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Speaker 1: text messages about it. If everybody, the whole around the world,

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Speaker 1: the whole planet, the whole planet was absolutely massively affected

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Speaker 1: by Can you imagine? And I know this too, bless

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Speaker 1: traveling by plane today, airline. All of them are totally screwed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I had a doctor's appointment this morning. Oh yeah, And

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Speaker 2: my answers. I was like, whoa, we're back to nineteen

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Speaker 2: So needless to say my doctor's appointment, which usually takes

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Speaker 2: They are. They are running rampant with inefficiency at airports,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it is. We're doomed. We are so doomed.

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Speaker 2: We're so dependent on we're on computer software.

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Speaker 1: And I always think like it's a big massive takeover.

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Speaker 1: It's like the machines are going to take over the world.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's gonna happen is like going, would

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Speaker 1: you please just start doing more? You machines there?

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Speaker 1: Make it easier. I got it. Yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Why is that all you can do from artificial intelligence

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Speaker 2: it'll be the last AI to do it.

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Speaker 1: It'll be the last thing we ever invent is AI,

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Speaker 1: because you know, they like figure you know what, you know, AI,

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Speaker 2: We saw that law firm that got in hot water

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Speaker 2: because two of their attorneys used AI to file to

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Speaker 1: You can't take twenty minutes and read it.

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Speaker 2: So totally, Yeah, they're facing I think they're facing disbarment.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about the law here, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and we're gonna spin it around the NFL

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Speaker 2: Right Now, which is brought to you by Colida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and Bill's

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Speaker 2: left tackle Dion Dawkins. Is this guy making the rounds

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Speaker 2: on the interview circuit or what most recently on NFL

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Speaker 2: Insiders on NFL Network had this to say about those

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Speaker 2: that are doubting the Bills after some veteran departures this offseason.

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Speaker 2: He says, quote, everybody is counting us out, which I'm

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Speaker 2: everybody with uppercuts. I'm perfectly fine with it. But I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna support those guys from a distance. Meaning the veteran departures.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely different, and I'm still adjusting to it. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to answer it, but I'm just adjusting to it

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Speaker 2: every day because it is different, man, it really is.

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Speaker 2: So he's clearly still confident in the core that they

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Speaker 2: far as for the veteran departures, yeah, there were relationships

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Speaker 2: miss them a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're friends. I mean I went through that. I

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Speaker 1: a half, like eighteen months, maybe a calendar year, two

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Speaker 1: Like you're with this team, like Poyer was here for

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean you have less affection for him,

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Speaker 1: But your lives at this point and they're so young,

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Speaker 2: Taking this stuff with the Bills a step further, nfl

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Speaker 2: dot Com put together the top five storylines for each

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Speaker 2: NFL club. The one that caught my eye for the

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Speaker 2: Bills was their assessment of the Bill's secondary which, along

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Speaker 2: with the receiver position, underwent the most extensive player turnover

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Speaker 2: this offseason. And I think to a large degree, at

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Speaker 2: bring this one to light. The writer puts together the

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Speaker 2: following on Buffalo Secondary. Buffalo parted with some veteran members

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Speaker 2: of its secondary. Jordan Poyer took his salence to South Beach,

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Speaker 2: Micah Hyde remains a free agent at seven years with

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Speaker 2: the Bills, and former All Pro Tradevius White as intinsel Town.

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Speaker 2: Those departures required a minor overhaul in the Buffalo defensive backfield.

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Speaker 2: Second round rookie Cole Bishop might be the new Poyer,

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Speaker 2: but the Bill secondary looks to be in a shaky spot.

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Speaker 2: It will be worth monitoring during camp. I think shakey

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Speaker 2: I don't know that a little bit that seems a

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Speaker 1: Mike Edwards comes in with some child. He won a

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Speaker 1: And what it looks like is how do they expect

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Speaker 2: The attorney said in the filing. Jackson has expended considerable time, effort,

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Speaker 1: So what so is Troy Aikman? Now, what are you

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Speaker 2: And I don't even think Akman should have it. You know,

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe he was, but he wasn't. The first Archimedes

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Speaker 2: was the Greek mathematician the sword of the sword in

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Speaker 2: the stone. Archimedes was the owl. Okay, King Arthur was

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Speaker 2: the kid and yeah, right archimedian. I'll take your word

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Speaker 2: for it, trust me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Archamy, Yeah, I'm I'm talking about first guy preoccupation.

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Speaker 2: I did more with the number eight than Lamar Jackson

438
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Speaker 2: or Troy Aikman. We're so old, not as old as archimedies.

439
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Speaker 2: The archimedies, Yeah, I'm over it. They there's what are

440
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Speaker 2: they lacked?

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Speaker 1: They lacked the imagination or they lacked the wherewithal too yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or they have poor Lamar's managers.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry it sounds he's done so much work for

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Speaker 1: the number eight. We've done so much more that that

445
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Speaker 1: like you would have done anything different in your entire

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Speaker 1: life if your number would have been six. Oh, it

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Speaker 1: would have done so much more.

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Speaker 2: For the number of contents have done more with the

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Speaker 2: number eight than Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come kind of with you on that. And

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Speaker 1: and I get it when you get you're you're in

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Speaker 1: an age where you can brand anything or whatever. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman was first, and that's and Troy Aikman is

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Speaker 1: just lucky that some other guy who wore number eight

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Speaker 1: didn't do it, which I can't think of any who

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Speaker 1: are the best number.

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Speaker 2: Eight probably not around anymore either.

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Speaker 1: What Kobe Ware he wore eight and twenty four, eight

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Speaker 1: and twenty four right, all right, well there you go.

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Speaker 2: So whatever last bit of news here. New Orleans Saints

461
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Speaker 2: put right tackle Ryan Ramchick on the reserve physically unable

462
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Speaker 2: to perform list. What that means The reserve pup list

463
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Speaker 2: means you're done for the season as a vested veteran

464
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Speaker 2: because he was placed on reserve pup prior to final

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Speaker 2: roster cuts. So if you still have a roster that's

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Speaker 2: bigger than fifty three players and one of your vested

467
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Speaker 2: veterans goes on reserve pup. Done for the year. So

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Speaker 2: he's apparently had this knee injury that was lingering. He

469
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Speaker 2: went to get it worked. He had surgery on it

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Speaker 2: last winter to try to improve the condition of that knee,

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Speaker 2: and it limited his practice time and all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Because this is a guy that was the first round pick.

473
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Speaker 2: He's been a starter since twenty seventeen. So without him

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Speaker 2: for this season, it means both of their starting tackles

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Speaker 2: are gonna be two different guys than from last year's team.

476
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: Not the kind of turnover you want heading into the season.

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Speaker 2: But now they can't fix that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of knew that was gonna happen.

479
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: That stuff's you gotta have contingencies when you know your

480
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Speaker 1: guy went down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not going to pretend to be intimately

482
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Speaker 2: familiar with the Saint's depth chart right now, but you're

483
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Speaker 2: gonna have two new tackles so starting for them this year.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. That is around the NFL, which

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Speaker 2: is brought to you by Kaleida Healthy, official healthcare system

486
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Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills. It is Friday, and you know

487
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Speaker 2: what that means. It's the OBL Friday fan mail Bag.

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Speaker 2: It's open and ready for you to submit any questions

489
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Speaker 2: you might have on the Bills, the league, get large

490
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Speaker 2: training camp coming up. Whatever you got on your mind,

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Speaker 2: fire it off at us either at eight h three

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Speaker 2: oh five point fifty or one eight A eight five

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Speaker 2: point fifty two five fifty if you're outside the seven

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Speaker 2: to one to six calling are or you can hit

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Speaker 2: us up on the tweetsheet at one. Bill's live on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: So those are your options, and we will dive into

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Speaker 2: the mail bag here and the first question comes from

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Speaker 2: Joey who says, Andy Isabella, do you have any idea

499
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Speaker 2: why he won't be our return guy. He's among the

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Speaker 2: fastest guys on the team, if not the fastest, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a fumbler. I think he could

502
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Speaker 2: also jump right in if a receiver needs a break.

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Speaker 2: Love the show guys, keep it up, Joey, I will

504
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Speaker 2: say that you know Isabella's in the mix. They have

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Speaker 2: a rookie late round draft choice in Daikwon Hardy, also

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Speaker 2: in the mix for return game and I think maybe

507
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Speaker 2: even kJ Hamler might factor into that as well the

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Speaker 2: other receivers. So there are candidates, and you know, when

509
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Speaker 2: the roster is ninety one, you're gonna have multiple people

510
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Speaker 2: at all positions and they're gonna let the players help

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Speaker 2: decide who's gonna win the job, and if Isabella kills

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Speaker 2: it in the preseason, maybe he wins the job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to play well, that's all. He's got

514
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Speaker 1: to play better than kJ Hammler or anybody else they

515
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Speaker 1: want back their returning kicks. That's basically it. If that's

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Speaker 1: the role they want him to do. Now, if they

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Speaker 1: want him to back up a guy like Khalil Shakir

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Speaker 1: in the slot, that's different, or compete with Khalil Shakir

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Speaker 1: for the starting job in slot, that's different. And he'll

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Speaker 1: need to do that to make himself valuable enough to

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Speaker 1: keep on the roster. You don't. You can't just do

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Speaker 1: one thing and be on the roster. Unless you're a

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Speaker 1: starting frontline player, then you're pretty safe. But if you're

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Speaker 1: a guy who's not going to be a starter, you

525
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: gotta cover kicks, return kicks, you gotta block kicks. You

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Speaker 1: gotta do all that stuff and to make it, and

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Speaker 1: you gotta be good enough that in a pinch you

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Speaker 1: can play regular down a distance. You gotta make. You

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Speaker 1: gotta be versatile when you're a guy like Andy Isabella.

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Speaker 1: Although with one guy returning from the receiver room last year,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a wide open thing. Maybe Isabella does move

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Speaker 1: up the day the chart with all these new guys

533
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Speaker 1: in there, because they're all going to start from like

534
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Speaker 1: thirteen receivers on the roster, so it's all clean slate.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is up there among the fastest guys

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Speaker 2: on the team. He clocked a four to three to

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Speaker 2: one forty when he was coming out in the draft,

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Speaker 2: and Curtis Samuel also clocked a four to three one

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Speaker 2: forty at the combine when he came out twenty sixteen eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, so uh they got there's more

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Speaker 2: speed on this roster than there was last year as well,

543
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Speaker 2: which should not be dismissed. kJ Hamler can move too,

544
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Speaker 2: so they've they've got some four to three guys on

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Speaker 2: the roster more than one. Can never have enough speed,

546
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Speaker 2: you know. It's not just Al Davis who used to

547
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Speaker 2: believe in that any GM in the league can tell you, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll take more speed any day of the week because

549
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Speaker 2: it helps create mismatches. We have to take a break,

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Speaker 2: but when we come back, we'll go to the phone

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Speaker 2: lines at eight oh three five fifty one eight eight

552
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Speaker 2: eight two, five fifty. Because the Obel Friday fan mail

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Speaker 2: bag is open. Steve and I answer any and all

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Speaker 2: of your bills and NFL questions. Next here on One

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Speaker 2: Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, back here on One Bill's Live on an

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Speaker 2: obl Friday fan mail bag. Your questions, our answers. So

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Speaker 2: we'll go to the phones at eight oh three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty.

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Speaker 2: Those are the numbers to get on board. We do

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Speaker 2: have open lines for you, but we begin today with

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Speaker 2: Butch on the east Side. What do you got for us? Butcher,

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Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: First of all, thanks so much for taking my call.

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Speaker 3: I love both of you. I love WGI, I love

566
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Speaker 3: MSG and Depth fans. You guys definitely know I love you.

567
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Speaker 3: I just really want to jump on something you guys

568
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Speaker 3: were just talking about that I have spoken to you

569
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Speaker 3: guys multiple times about about this number, about the number

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Speaker 3: on a jersey, and you guys are just thinking about

571
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: the brand. Fires players back and forth with each other

572
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: regarding the brand. And that's fine, but it just shows you,

573
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Speaker 3: Like Steve, I really got to pick on Steve a little,

574
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Speaker 3: not really pick you know, I'm nothings were pick really

575
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: phrase that. I want to just talk to Steve because

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: Steve told me many times that Butch the players don't

577
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Speaker 3: really care nothing about the number, which I understood on

578
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Speaker 3: his side what he meant. But on our side, I

579
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: don't use me as a fan who pays money to

580
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: go see players pay who get paid to play, and

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00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: just shows you through two NFL players currently how important

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00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: a number is to them. That really shows you, Steve

583
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: and Chris and anybody else how important it is us.

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Speaker 3: And reason I want to bring this back up is

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00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: this franchise. When mister Wilson had bought this franchise years

586
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: ago into Rock Polo and Jefferson and Best there in

587
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: the community. The community supported this football team. Mister Wilson

588
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: didn't really have that much money. He used to have

589
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: to go to Al Davis about money.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not right, but it's actually the other way around.

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Speaker 1: That's actually the other way around. Ralph Road checks Ralph

592
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Speaker 1: Road checks to the Oakland Raiders, and he also wrote

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Speaker 1: checks to the New England Patriots to keep both teams afloat.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we beg my Pardoner on that and my partner.

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Speaker 1: Any what's your point about the jerseys.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I point about my jersey. The first superstar again,

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Speaker 3: first Hall of fam we had was O Jay Simpson

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Speaker 3: and number thirty two jersey. I'm sum focused on that.

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00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: The East side of Buffalo is very very upset with

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Speaker 3: the Butgola family regarding the number thirty two being used

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Speaker 3: right now and the reason being out because that jersey

602
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Speaker 3: number is the first superstar that really put the Buffalo

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Speaker 3: Bills on the map of who we had, regardless of

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Speaker 3: what happened in his personal life. That's something else I'm

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Speaker 3: speaking about just as a representative in the uniform of

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Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills, that thirty two should not be out

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Speaker 3: right now. That's the case, and I'm let you guys go,

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00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: and thanks correcting me on that, because all along I

609
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: thought of a way around. I appreciate both of you.

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Speaker 2: Things round.

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Speaker 3: Is that is that number, seventy eight, number twelve, number

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Speaker 3: thirty four, all the other numbers should be available to any.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we just lost you there.

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Speaker 1: I understand this is kind of first of all, let

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Speaker 1: me first of all, I disagree with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, but for a different reason. I

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Speaker 1: don't think thirty sho to be used because a guy

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Speaker 1: was a double murderer. That's the first thing. Second thing,

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Speaker 1: seventy eight and twelve won't ever be used again because

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Speaker 1: those numbers have been retired, and as thirty four been retired, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and thirty four have been retired, those guys are not

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Speaker 1: Those guys are never gonna those jerseys are never gonna

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Speaker 1: be used, and they shouldn't be because those guys were superlatives,

624
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Hall of fame guys. And now Juice was too. But

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Speaker 1: he forfeited the right to be remembered only for what

626
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: he did on the football field when he murdered his

627
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Speaker 1: ex wife and another guy. So you can say what

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00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: you want about him being found not guilty whatever, forget it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. Nobody wants to hear it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't whatever you have to say about numbers,

631
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: it's a number on a jersey and you're taking it

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Speaker 1: from a guy who wore one that I didn't even

633
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Speaker 1: get a pick and I had no interest in picking.

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Speaker 1: And Bruce, Bruce had the number seven. Nobody wore number

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Speaker 1: seventy eight, and Bruce said, I'm gonna make it mine

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Speaker 1: and he did and he got the thing retired. I listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with these guys, and they're

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Speaker 1: branding and all that, but let me just tell you something.

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Speaker 1: The person is more important than the number. And the

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00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: minute the guy thinks the number is more important than

641
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: his own name is when he crosses his line in

642
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the immaturity and self. You know, there's too high a

643
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: level of self love there. So I'm I'm I kind

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00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: of agree with you on some things, butch but like always,

645
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: we'll never agree on one hundred percent of everything. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in.

647
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Speaker 2: But oh, there's just bothered that Kyen Brown has thirty two.

648
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Speaker 1: Right now, nobody cares. You can say you care, that's fine,

649
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you can care, but it ain't gonna change it. If

650
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Kyron Brown wants to wear thirty two, that number hasn't

651
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: been retired. Let him wear it.

652
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: Well, my suspicion is they only have so many numbers

653
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: to hand out on a ninety one man roster. You

654
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: already can't hand out twelve, thirty four and seventy eight.

655
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: It's always gonna be a you're kind of limited to

656
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: begin with.

657
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: So listen, I don't care, you know there, whatever you want. Yeah,

658
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Jews was a great football player, but he forfeited a

659
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: lot of things when he decided to kill two people.

660
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: So his jersey has not been retired. It's gonna be

661
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: used one point or another. And on the other hand, Jim,

662
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: Bruce and Thurman and nobody's gonna wear those numbers because

663
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: they've been retired.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, let's go back to the phones and to

665
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Speaker 2: Bruce and Ken Moore.

666
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Speaker 4: What do you got for his Bruce, Hey, Steven, Chris. Thanks.

667
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: Every year at this time before training camp, I always

668
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: what always comes to my mind is Joe Delaney and

669
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Speaker 4: what happened to him. And I'm just wondering for the

670
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: girl listeners if you could talk about him a little bit,

671
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: And do you know if there's a tribute to him

672
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: in Arrawhead Stadium or anywhere in Kansas City.

673
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: I think his name, I think his name's on the

674
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Ring of honor if I remember right, Oh, you're talking

675
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: about the running back. He only played a couple of seasons.

676
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: He drowned. He drowned trying to save two kids from drowning. Yeah, yeah,

677
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: you're right. You know, I brought that up to Marv

678
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: one time. Somebody reminded me, well, yeah, because Marv was

679
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: coaching there. Marv was his head coach at the time.

680
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: And on the anniversary of his death, somebody brought it up,

681
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Speaker 1: and I said, and I asked Marvin. I had a

682
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: brief conversation about it is a tragic passing of a

683
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Speaker 1: guy who gave his life trying to save others. And uh, yeah,

684
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Speaker 1: that's Joe Delaney, for those of you who don't know,

685
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: was a Kansas City running back, young player who was

686
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: out swimming at a pond or a lake or and

687
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: in his home state of and some kids were out

688
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: there winning they started to drown. He went in to

689
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: try and save him and drown himself and succumb to

690
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Speaker 1: the act. So he was he didn't go back to

691
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Speaker 1: training camp that year. Marv was his head coach at

692
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Speaker 1: the time, and so I, yeah, I'm that's that's an

693
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: interesting question. I do not know the answer to.

694
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a little bit before my time of

695
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: actively watching football. So I'm not going to pretend to

696
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: know anything other than what Steve just said, but just

697
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: taking a look at his bio, I mean, his his

698
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: career got off to a fantastic start. He was AFC

699
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year in eighty one, made the Pro Bowl,

700
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: he was on the PFWA All Rookie Team, and they

701
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: did obviously posthumously put him in the Kansas City Chiefs

702
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, and according to Wikipedia, he was posthumously

703
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: awarded the President'sial Citizens Medal from President Reagan. That's how

704
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 2: long ago because of the sacrifice he made to save

705
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: some kids in that pond and his Speaking of numbers,

706
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: even though his number is not officially retired, the Chiefs

707
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: have not issued thirty seven since his death, according to Wikipedia.

708
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think in my head if I remember

709
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: seeing a thirty seven on the Chiefs anywhere, and I

710
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: can't think of one off the top of my head.

711
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was nineteen eighty three he passed.

712
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been a while. Yeah, but yeah, that

713
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't lend much more to that. I

714
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: was a little too young to remember him. But yeah,

715
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Speaker 2: let's get back to the phones and we go to

716
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Speaker 2: Colby up in Boston, Mass What we got Forris Colby,

717
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for.

718
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: Thanks for having my call. I live in Boston, so

719
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: you might think I would be a Patriots And my

720
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 5: grandpa lives up in Williamsville and he's had season's tickets

721
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: since Jack Kimple was the quarterback, ok so for a

722
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: really long time. Yeah, anyway, I just wanted to say,

723
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: you were talking about the secondary earlier, like the people

724
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: were saying or the reporter, I'm sorry, was saying that

725
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 5: it kind of had a massive turnover. But I think

726
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 5: you have one of the best secondaries in the league

727
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: because Tarron Johnson is one of the best nickel corners.

728
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: It's like that Colt Sky and Raspool Douglass had like

729
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: four picks at the end of the season. He had

730
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Speaker 5: that pick six in the New England game. I also

731
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: think that Christin Benford he was playing well at the

732
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: end of the season, like all those guys finished really well,

733
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: and and kyer Elam was being good in practice. So

734
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Speaker 5: I just think that all that we're gonna have a

735
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 5: great secondary was oh and and Taylor Rapp who was

736
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: to have that interception to win the division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are all those are all good points, Colby. Yeah,

738
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: those are all good points. Colby. I think he kind

739
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: of ran it down as effectively as you could. And look,

740
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Speaker 2: I think, really more than anything else, and we kind

741
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: of touched on this yesterday, it's the fear of the unknown.

742
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: You don't have.

743
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: The stalwarts that have been dependent upon and have largely

744
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: come through in huge ways for this team over the

745
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: last seven years. Whether it's Tredevious White sealing a game

746
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs in twenty seventeen to beat him sixteen

747
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: to ten with an interception at the end of the game,

748
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: or whether it's Micah Hyde coming out of the sky

749
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: to pick off Mac Jones in the perfect playoff game

750
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: in the end zone, or whether it's Jordan Poyer intercepting

751
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: a ball against the Ravens to seal a twenty to

752
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: seventeen comeback win over them a couple of years ago

753
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: on the road. So those guys are fresh in the

754
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: minds of Bills fans and have been for years, and

755
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: much like Deon Dawkins was telling the NFL Insiders, it's

756
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: going to be an adjustment moving on without them, and

757
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: I think the fans are in that same boat. And

758
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: because they don't know if the guys that are replacing

759
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: them can do all the same things that those players did,

760
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: there's a little trepidation.

761
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Here, that's the thing too when you hear the

762
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: national narrative, guys like me and Brownie, except they talk

763
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: about all the teams instead of just the Bills and

764
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: the AFC East in the NFL. They talk about everything.

765
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: They The last thing they want to do is be wrong,

766
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: So it's easier to predict failure because they know that

767
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: unless the team that team wins the Super Bowl, they

768
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: can make the case that they're right. So there's a

769
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: little bit of that going on, and no question about it,

770
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: there are things we don't know about how these teams

771
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: are going to play together. But the strength of this

772
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: team and the strength of this coaching staff since Sean

773
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: McDermott took over in twenty seventeen, has been to maximize

774
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: what they do best. And there's a lot of things

775
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: to like about what a lot of these players can

776
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: do and what they're going to do best under this

777
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: coaching staff. To me, I've said it, and I'll say

778
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: it again. This team has a chance to be the

779
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: best group under Sean mcdermany the he's ever had. They've

780
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: got that chance to be certainly they it may take

781
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: him a minute because it's fresh and new. It took

782
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: the Bills in twenty seventeen, which was a drought roster.

783
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Their defense picked him up, churned out a ton of

784
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: turnovers in the first month or five weeks of the

785
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: season and got them off to a faster start than

786
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: people thought they were gonna get off to. And then

787
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: they hung on and remember when they broke the drought,

788
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: when they finally they beat that, they beat Miami and

789
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the season and Cincinnati beat Baltimore

790
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: and they got they broke the drought. This is gonna

791
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: be that kind of year as a development year for

792
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: this roster. I'm not saying they're gonna do, you know,

793
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: just barely make the playoffs. I'm saying this, he's gonna

794
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: get the most out of a group. Except this group

795
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: is way more talented and way more proven than the

796
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: group they put together in twenty seventeen. And I think

797
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: also the difference is going to be that this year,

798
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: I believe the offense rather than the defense will carry them.

799
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: Early in seventeen, the defense turned out turnovers, got some

800
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: time house, she was kicking fields the games. They were

801
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: winning games like that. This year, I think Josh and

802
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: this offensive line and these skill guys are going to

803
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: be able to score enough points to keep them in

804
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: games and win games early on. And then when their

805
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: defense does hit stride, their youth and athleticism is going

806
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: to take over the day. And I think this team

807
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: has a chance to crescendo and at the end of

808
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: the season be the best group ever under Sean McDermott.

809
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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but still taking your phone

810
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: calls when we return. Luke and Westeneca, Mark in Jersey City,

811
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: hanging tight. We'll get to you when we get back

812
00:43:45,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live Stay Tunes. All right, welcome

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00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: back to one of Bill's Live Chris Browns. Do you

814
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: task you with? You gonna jump right back on the

815
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Speaker 2: phone lines here on this OBL Friday fan mail bag

816
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: as we're answering your most pressing bills and NFL questions,

817
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: and we go to Luke in West senecon X.

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00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 6: What's up, Luke, Hey, how are you guys doing I

819
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 6: had a question about the Von Miller updates stuff or whatnot.

820
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 6: How sure he is that he's going to make a comeback,

821
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Speaker 6: and do they have a suitable number two if for

822
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 6: whatever reason he cannot maintain himself at one hundred percent healthiness. Also,

823
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Speaker 6: I'd like to comment on the key on Coleman and

824
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 6: kind of congratulate Britton Bean on recruiting some of the

825
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 6: wide receivers that they brought in for Josh Allen. I

826
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Speaker 6: just like to lead those comments and I hope you

827
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 6: guys have a nice, pleasant summer.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Luke you two.

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Speaker 1: First thing about Vaughn, I think he's got some football

830
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: to play, no question about it. He's not the same

831
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: guy who was when he was twenty six, but I

832
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: think he's he's gonna be able to make a difference

833
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: in games. I think he's still got enough pass rush

834
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: in and to get it done. As for contingencies, you know,

835
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: you can look at the roster as easily as I can.

836
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I think the guy we've overlooked, as I mentioned him yesterday,

837
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: was Casey two Hill, who's got some chops in this league.

838
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: AJ just signed a new deal. Greg Russau is still there,

839
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: and the rest of the rest of the defensive tackle

840
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: group with you know, at Oliver Dae Kwon Jones, you

841
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: got Dwayne Carter in there as well, and we'll see,

842
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: we'll see if somebody emerges out of that group. Javon

843
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Solomon I'm very high on as well at the defensive end,

844
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: but I think that the secondary go to is Javon

845
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Solomon and Casey two Hill outside of Von Miller and

846
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Greg Russou and aj At Panessa.

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00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: They've kind of made some preemptive moves in terms of

848
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: youth to get them in the pipeline. And you know,

849
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: I think what the future holds for Von Miller beyond

850
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: this season is probably a little cloudy right now. If

851
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: he goes out and has a twelve SAX season, he's

852
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: probably here again next year, but they still might have

853
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: to adjust this contract again. And then you drafted Javon

854
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: Solomon and if things go well there, well then maybe

855
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: he's an heir apparent. Kingsley Jonathan is still here. So

856
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: there's some youth in the pipeline too that's being developed.

857
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: And you know, I've talked ad Nauseam about the development

858
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: skills of this coaching staff, So I think it's a

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00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: wait and see largely, but all indications are that von

860
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Miller should be more of the Von Miller where we've

861
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 2: become accustomed to seeing over his career than the one

862
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: that was laboring to make an impact last year on

863
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: the field. So that's kind of where we leave it.

864
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: And then what was this other question he was also

865
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: asking about?

866
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: Now I got I tried to write it down and

867
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it. I don't know.

868
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: He was talking about the wide receiving corps and the

869
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: people that being brought in, So I think there's a

870
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: good collection of talent there. We'll just have to see

871
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: how the pecking order shakes out based on their performance

872
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: largely through the training camp and the preseason games. So

873
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: it's yet to be determined. But it's an interesting collection

874
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: of recognizable names and some unproven players that have some

875
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: good raw talent. So how that all shakes out is

876
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: something that's going to have to unfold in training camp

877
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: in the preseason. I think we're all excited to see it.

878
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones, though, and go to

879
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Mark in Jersey City next. What's up Mark?

880
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 7: Good afternoon, gentlemen. It's good to hear you back together. Again. Yeah,

881
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 7: the number thing. I'm with Steve on a on a player.

882
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 7: I'm the guy. I'm not just gonna say. I just

883
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 7: don't even think you should be on the Ring of Honor.

884
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 7: That's a that's a black guy, let alone his number,

885
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 7: and I'll just sleep it there. Chris, I'm like, You'm

886
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 7: a Yankee fan and they have numbers that are just

887
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 7: they're retiring. You know, they were great players, Pasada, Paul O'Neill.

888
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 7: I'm sorry that those aren't. Those are great players in

889
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 7: a great era, but they're not Hall of Fame worthy,

890
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 7: And got guys wearing just aesthetically on unpleasing numbers. And

891
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 7: I don't even believe in wearing another man's name on

892
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 7: my back, Like I don't. I don't buy jerseys. So

893
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 7: I'm kind of with Steve. I'm just kind of like,

894
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 7: they're nice, they're cool that you remember guys by numbers,

895
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 7: but I'm not really that into that. I wanted them.

896
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 7: And it's the Raiders. They have a number of players

897
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 7: that you could just say they can retire. They don't

898
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 7: retire players' numbers. They don't do that. I mean, you

899
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 7: look at the Redskins and Bears. They have tons of players.

900
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 7: I also wanted to get your guys take on the

901
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 7: Giants Hard Knocks thing. They're taking a lot of heat

902
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 7: for the way they look in the Saquon negotiation, and

903
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 7: you know, Joe, Shane and Dabele are down there, so

904
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 7: I wanted to I don't know if you guys have

905
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 7: talked about it. I just wanted to hear your guys

906
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 7: opinion on it. Thanks for taking my call out.

907
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: That's a good question. We're actually to tell you the truth.

908
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: We've got Ryan Dunley be coming on in the second

909
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: hour of the show, is in a couple of minutes,

910
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: and he covers the Giants. I was going to ask

911
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: him that exact question, what guys who watched this team

912
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: really closely thought about the Hard Knocks episodes and what

913
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: was you know about Saquon leaving? So I'm gonna ask

914
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Ryan dunleyvy that exact question, what do you think about

915
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: how you know what's going on down there? And we'll

916
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: get that answer then. But I'm with you about the Raiders.

917
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: Some of these teams they have different philosophies. It comes

918
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: down to owners like Terry and like it came down

919
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: to Ralph, you know, Russ Brandon had to tell talk

920
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: to Ralph about and when Jim went retired and they

921
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: were going to, you know, come back and put Jim

922
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: on the Ring of Honor and stuff, and it was

923
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: the first time they'd ever done it, and Russ Brandon

924
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: talked Ralph into doing it, and I thought it was

925
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: well worth worthy of it.

926
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: And with the number thing, I do agree that numbers

927
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: being retired. It should be a true all timer, like

928
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: someone who comes top of mind as soon as you

929
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: say that team's name, Like if you can't name that

930
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: person in the first three or four names, when somebody

931
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: says Buffalo Hills or New York Yankees, where they don't

932
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: have Hall of Fame credentials, their number probably shouldn't be retired.

933
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: Because numbers are retired for very good players. They're retired

934
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: for each the Chicagoslayers, the.

935
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears have seventeen I think seventeen numbers retired. There's

936
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: only three guys in my mind that should Dick Bucuse,

937
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Gail Sayers, and Walter Payton. There's the three. They got

938
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: seventeen some it's some unbelievable number of numbers that they retired.

939
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's a franchise decision, so that, yeah,

940
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You got to put up

941
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: with it. And some people live and die by the

942
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: name of the number on the jersey than ever they

943
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: think it's so also important. Most of us know better.

944
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: And I don't mean any disrespect, but you're telling me

945
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: the guy would have been a completely different guy on

946
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: the field with a different number, and I think that's yeah,

947
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous.

948
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here because, as Steve mentioned,

949
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're going to be joined by

950
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: New York Post NFL reporter and writer Ryan Dunley. You're

951
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: gonna join the show not only talk about the Giants

952
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: and some of their hard knocks episodes thus far, but

953
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: we'll also deal with some Daniel Jones news, what's going

954
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: on there in his ACL recovery. And we'll talk a

955
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: little Jets too, because Dunlevey's got his ear to the

956
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: ground on that, and see what's in store for Jets

957
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: training camp as Aaron Rodgers makes his triumphant headline return.

958
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: Take a break now back with Ryan in a second

959
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by coll Oiut of Health.

960
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

961
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by calledlighta Health.

962
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: All right now our number two on a Friday. Chris Brown,

963
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you, and happy to be joined now

964
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: by NFL reporter for the New York Post Ryan Dunlevy

965
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: joining us here on the show. Ryan, thanks for giving

966
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: us some time here heading into the weekend, and we

967
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: kind of want to begin with what has kind of

968
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: been going a little viral here some of the HBO

969
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks offseason edition of the New York Giants, and

970
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, the most recent episode kind of chronicled Saquon

971
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: Barklay's departure from the roster based on you know, conversations

972
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: with GM, Joe Shane and the like. First and foremost,

973
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: what have you made of the access given to Hard

974
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: Knocks HBO's Hard Knocks in this off season realm that

975
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: has really not been uncovered to this degree before.

976
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 8: The NFL just always stumbles into gold mines, guys, right

977
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 8: this is they just like, oh, we should try this,

978
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 8: and like now it's wildly popular and probably what's ironic

979
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 8: is that John Marra, for years and years is one

980
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 8: of of the most powerful voices in the NFL resisted

981
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 8: the training camp hard knocks. He thought it was disruptive to,

982
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 8: you know, the goal of trying to get training camp

983
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 8: a team ready for a football season. They had a

984
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 8: famous quote once where he said he basically that he'd

985
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 8: be dead before the Giants were on it, and so

986
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 8: instead they came up with this model of an offseason

987
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 8: where you know, your trusted head coach and GM were

988
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 8: the main voices. And in reality, what they've done is

989
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 8: uncover something that's probably even more interesting than the summer

990
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,479
Speaker 8: one ever was, because this is what fans really get into,

991
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 8: how our decisions made, and you're really seeing something that

992
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 8: even the best reporters like myself haven't been able to uncover.

993
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: The lid on Yeah, and what was give us some

994
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: of the revelations that you know, Obviously, the casual nature

995
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: of some of the conversations was pretty telling because there

996
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: is some familiarity between some of these guys and and

997
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Saquon is no small potato. The guy's one of the

998
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: most gifted running backs in the National Football League and

999
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: certainly one of the most attention grabbing talents. We'll give

1000
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: us some of some insights as to what the local

1001
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: guys thought when they when they heard this what happened, Well, I.

1002
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 8: Knew that Saquon Like look, for two years the Giants

1003
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 8: tried to negotiate with Saquon Barkley and they were off

1004
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 8: by a couple million dollars and they could just never

1005
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 8: close the gap. But it was fast, and you knew

1006
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 8: John Marra would think that. You know, he was closed

1007
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 8: to Saquon Barkley. He does everything that what they call

1008
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 8: the Giants way. You know, he's good with kids, he

1009
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 8: says the right things. He's team first. So you knew

1010
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 8: John marrauld be close to him. But it's interesting to

1011
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 8: hear John Marra actually say to Joe Shane, I won't

1012
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 8: be able to sleep at night if he signs in

1013
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 8: with if he signs with the Eagles, Like that's different

1014
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 8: than me. Reporting sources say John Marra wants to keep him.

1015
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 8: When you hear him actually say it to Joe Shane

1016
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 8: and and you see Joe Shane actually have the power

1017
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 8: to make the final decision when Giants fans have long

1018
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 8: been convinced that John Mara as an owner medals too much. Well, no,

1019
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 8: it didn't meddle at all. If it was up to him,

1020
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 8: he would have kept sakeuon Barkley, not just because he's

1021
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 8: the best offensive player on the team, but because he's

1022
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 8: the most popular player both his football mind and his

1023
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 8: business sense. But Joe Shane, from his time in Buffalo,

1024
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 8: thought that you could get running back product production a

1025
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 8: lot of other places for a lot of cheaper And

1026
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 8: sure enough, here they go. They have Devin Singletary, a

1027
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 8: form of bill and they're going to try to roll

1028
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 8: with that and get similar production for cheaper by building

1029
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 8: up their offensive line.

1030
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not terribly convinced that's gonna happen because

1031
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: to me, they're not even in the same stratosphere of

1032
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: physical talent. But that's another story for another day. When

1033
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: we get to the regular season.

1034
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: To join my boat, yeah yeah, yeah, there's I mean,

1035
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: we here in Buffalo, there's no question. And what what

1036
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary is going to give the Giants is what

1037
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: Saquon gave the Giants, doing it the Giant way. He's

1038
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna say the right things, do the right things, be

1039
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: the right and that's where the similarities end. I mean,

1040
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: he can't run with Saquon. He's not as big as Saquon.

1041
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't do all. You know, he's just not as skilled.

1042
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, But beyond that, the question I have for you,

1043
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: Ryan is this obviously shifts more of the offensive burden

1044
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: on the guy coming off a major knee injury and

1045
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, I mean, Daniel Jones had a rough go

1046
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: of it even with Saquon in the backfield. Now you

1047
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: have nobody forcing you to put eight men in the box,

1048
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: which means fewer one on ones outside, which means Daniel

1049
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: jones job probably just got a little bit harder, did

1050
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: it not?

1051
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 8: It did. The idea being that they didn't get anywhere

1052
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 8: really except one playoff win, one playoff appearance with Daniel

1053
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 8: Jones Saquon combination. They're they're paying Daniel Jones forty million dollars.

1054
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 8: We could go back to that for a sec. But

1055
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 8: the idea being that they're going to try to make

1056
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 8: his job easier in other ways. He does have the

1057
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 8: best set of receivers that he's had since he got

1058
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 8: here five years ago. I mean, Moleague Neighbors hasn't taken

1059
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 8: a contact snap yet, and I can tell you he's

1060
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 8: the best Giants receiver they've had since Sodell Beckham. He

1061
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 8: is going as long as he stays healthy and he

1062
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 8: has a durable track record, he is going to be

1063
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 8: as good as these first round receivers that were used

1064
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 8: to seeing these last five years or whatever come out

1065
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 8: and be impact players. And the idea is the offensive

1066
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 8: line should be better, so he should have more time

1067
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 8: to make decisions. He shouldn't have to run for his

1068
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 8: life as much. I don't know. I'm not as convinced

1069
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 8: as they are that the offensive line is upgraded, or

1070
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Speaker 8: at least significantly upgraded. But it can't be worse. Guys

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Speaker 8: they set the NFL. They were the second. They'll have

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Speaker 8: the second most sacks in NFL history, eighty five sacks

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Speaker 8: last year. That's Tyrod Taylor, another former Bill, Tommy DeVito,

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 8: and Daniel Jones combined, their three starting quarterbacks took eight sacks.

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Speaker 8: So they spent their money on John Running and Jermaine A.

1076
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 8: Luminora to play right guard and left guard, respectively. And

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Speaker 8: the hope is that those guys open up holes for

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 8: Motor that weren't there with other guys blocking for Sakwa.

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Speaker 1: Is there a sense in New York and we're here,

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: we're five hundred miles away. Is there a sense that

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00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: the Giants have misplayed this Daniel Jones scenario. But he's

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: forty million dollars quarterback. How much? I mean they paid

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00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: him forty million after he made fifteen touchdown passes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so it's if that's the standard, it shouldn't be that

1085
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: hard to at least repeat that performance. But can he

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Speaker 1: do that? And is that enough to justify the contract

1087
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: they gave him? And where they where do the fans

1088
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: and where does the organization sit with Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 8: So a lot to unpacked there. I'll try to do

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Speaker 8: it concisely, Like, yes, it was only fifteen touchdown passes,

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Speaker 8: but with Daniel Jones kind of like with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 8: you can't ignore their running as I want to say

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Speaker 8: he had seven or eight rushing tea seven yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: So like there's more to Daniel Jones than just, you know,

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 8: than just as a passer. They didn't have a they

1096
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 8: didn't have a lot of options that year. They had

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 8: made the playoffs, which was a surprise to Joe Shane

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00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 8: and Brian Dable that they were as good as they

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Speaker 8: were that first season, So they didn't have a ton

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Speaker 8: of I think they were picking twenty fifth in the draft.

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00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 8: It was there between a rock and a hard place

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Speaker 8: in terms of yes, Daniel didn't have a great year.

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Speaker 8: It didn't have an eye popping year, but he's going

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Speaker 8: to be better than any other alternatives. They paid him

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Speaker 8: forty million dollars, which now in hindsight is not I

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 8: think it's like barely even a top thirteen NFL quarterback

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00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 8: contract as of all the raises that have come, so

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00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 8: forty million sounds like a lot to you and me.

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Speaker 8: It's mid market quarterback money. What they should have done

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Speaker 8: what I said they should have done at the time.

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00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 8: What fans think in hindsight probably is they should have

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Speaker 8: either let Saquon Barkley go or what I think they

1113
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 8: should have signed Saquon Barkley. I think they were offering

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Speaker 8: something like twenty two million guaranteed. He ends up getting

1115
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Speaker 8: twenty six million guaranteed a year and a half later

1116
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Speaker 8: from the Eagles. Maybe if they gave him twenty five

1117
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Speaker 8: million dollars guaranteed, we're talking about a three million dollar difference,

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Speaker 8: and then they could have tagged Daniel Jones, made him

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Speaker 8: prove it again, and then who knows if everything plays

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Speaker 8: out the same way, he gets injured, then you either

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Speaker 8: don't have him this year, you get to star fresh,

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Speaker 8: or you have him on a much cheaper contract than

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Speaker 8: what is now the third highest salary cap hit in

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Speaker 8: the NFL this year because of that contract. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: there's a sense they misplayed it. There's not a lot

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Speaker 8: of belief in Giants fans in Daniel Jones. He's kind

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Speaker 8: of the face now of a forgettable era of six

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Speaker 8: years of football, long before Joe Shane and Brian Dable arrived.

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Speaker 8: And I think the organization believes in him a little,

1130
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Speaker 8: but that's mostly because they have to their plan to

1131
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Speaker 8: try to trade up for whether it be Jaden Daniels

1132
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 8: or Drake May in the draft obviously went nowhere. So

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Speaker 8: again just kind of like sixteen months ago, what choice

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Speaker 8: do we have but to believe in Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Jones out from under that thing after this year, at

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Speaker 2: least the way it looks on paper in terms of the.

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Speaker 8: Cat Yeah, from a twenty two million dollar dead capit

1138
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 8: not for peanuts, but yes they can.

1139
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Speaker 2: Get Taking a look at the Jets across the street, obviously,

1140
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: hope springs eternal. Now with a perceived to be healthy

1141
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, it's going to be very interesting to see

1142
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: what his mobility and his capability looks like coming off

1143
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: the injury. I realize we're almost will be almost at

1144
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: a full calendar year by the time he takes the

1145
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: field in a real regular season game. But what is

1146
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: the general buzz coming out of you know, Jets camp

1147
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: about this upcoming season, knowing Rogers is back and they've

1148
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: made some veteran additions at the tackle positions.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, coming inside the Jets, they're I mean

1150
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 8: they're ecstatic about the possibilities. Every conversation I have with

1151
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Speaker 8: everybody else around the NFL is like the Jets could

1152
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 8: be really good if Aaron Rodgers is healthy and doesn't

1153
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 8: play like a forty year old quarterback. So he only

1154
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 8: going to be the tenth quarterback in NFL history to

1155
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Speaker 8: throw a pass in his age forty one season. He'll

1156
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Speaker 8: turn forty one in December. So basically Tom Brady did

1157
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 8: it at the super high level, and then Warren Moon

1158
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 8: was a pro bowler, and then everybody else essentially was

1159
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 8: a backup or well past their prime. Drew Breese comes

1160
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Speaker 8: to mind, so he's really trying to defy the odds

1161
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Speaker 8: and do it and trying to do it off a

1162
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 8: major injury. He looked really good moving around in spring ball.

1163
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Speaker 8: But as you guys and your listeners know, you know,

1164
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Speaker 8: there's no contact whatever like that. You know, it's a

1165
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Speaker 8: much different animal than when guys are breathing down your neck.

1166
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Speaker 8: But he needs that sort of pocket mobility to be

1167
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Speaker 8: able to move around. But the Jets overhauled their offensive line,

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Speaker 8: as you mentioned Tyron Smith, John Simpson coming in first

1169
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Speaker 8: round pick Olufashenu as insurance, so they have set him

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Speaker 8: up with weapons. Mike Williams coming off a tornad Malachi

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Speaker 8: Corley their second round pick. The Jets have a high

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Speaker 8: end roster and everything boils down to if Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 8: is healthy. And we know he's gonna be highly motivated

1174
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 8: because he's a guy who thrives off doubters, and there

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Speaker 8: are plenty of doubters.

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Speaker 1: What do you what's you gonna tell you about a

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Speaker 1: forty one year old guy taking a thousand snaps in

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Speaker 1: a regular season.

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Speaker 8: It probably won't happen, but it's a question like does

1180
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 8: he miss seventeen games like he did last year or

1181
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Speaker 8: does he miss three or four. If he misses three

1182
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Speaker 8: or four, the Jets are in a good spot to

1183
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 8: survive that they have Tyrod Taylor, another former Bill I'm

1184
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 8: starting to figure out why you guys had me on

1185
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 8: another form, bel Tyrod Taylor, who can win games. He

1186
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 8: won games when Daniel Jones was out for the Giants

1187
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Speaker 8: last year. He's not a guy who can play seventeen

1188
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 8: games either, because he's kind of an agent of chaos.

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Speaker 8: Tyrod Taylor, right, he runs around, he leaves his body

1190
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 8: susceptible to hits. He'll throw the ball on arm's way

1191
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 8: and sometimes that's a pick, and sometimes that's a big

1192
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 8: play touchdown. So I think Tyrod they can get away

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Speaker 8: with for three four starts, and you have a defense

1194
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 8: and offensive playmakers like the Jets have, just real quick guys.

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Speaker 8: That's that I have is I don't know if anybody

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 8: else can match this besides the Ravens. The Jets have

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Speaker 8: seven or eight guys who either were first or second

1198
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 8: team All Pros within the last two seasons or who

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Speaker 8: should be this year. Left tackle Tyron Smith, quarterback Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 8: running back Breast Hall, wide receiver Garrett Wilson, linebackers CJ.

1201
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Speaker 8: Moseley and Quincy Williams. Detackle Quinn Williams and cornerback Sauce Gardner.

1202
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Speaker 8: I mean that's a loaded roster.

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Speaker 2: Right, it is a good roster. I don't think anybody's

1204
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: going to debate that. I think the problem here is

1205
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: the Jets long and illustrious history of self sabotage. Something

1206
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: inevitably deep six is their season. If you had to

1207
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Speaker 2: lay odds on what that would be, and I know

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel hanck at the offensive coordinator was a popular answer here.

1209
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: Is he at the top of your list or is

1210
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: there something else you know, obviously excluding the obvious long

1211
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: term injury kind of.

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Speaker 8: Thing, Yes, obviously Number one would be Aaron Rodgers' health.

1213
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Speaker 8: Number two would be the coaching staff. And that's both

1214
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Speaker 8: Nathaniel Hackett, who I think should be better with Aaron

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 8: Rodgers because that's basically who he's why he's here. He's

1216
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 8: here to call plays for Aaron Rodgers. They're close. Rodgers

1217
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Speaker 8: knows the offense. You can make a case he's actually

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Speaker 8: the offensive coordinator as well as the coach in the GM.

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Speaker 8: And then Robert sala I don't know how good a

1220
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 8: coach head coach Robert Salas. I know players like him,

1221
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 8: I know they respect him. But if you're gonna give

1222
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 8: me a close game is his Is he gonna make

1223
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 8: the right decision on go for it versus punt? Is

1224
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 8: he gonna use his timeouts correctly? He hasn't really had

1225
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 8: to manage high pressure games in his four years with

1226
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Speaker 8: the Jets because they've been, you know, chasing five hundred

1227
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Speaker 8: at his whole time. So I would say coaching staff

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01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 8: is in big games. Is the thing that could derail

1229
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Speaker 8: the Jets besides injuries.

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Speaker 1: And that's also an unknown tube. Just because of what

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Speaker 1: you said, all Oh, Salah, you got to tip your

1232
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: hat to him for getting seven wins out of even

1233
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: with that rosters, because it is with quarterback plays in

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Speaker 1: the state it was a year ago. What is the

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Speaker 1: perception of Salah overall? It seems to me and from

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01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: from where we're at, because the Bills are a really

1237
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: good football team who really struggle with the New York Jets. No,

1238
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: even if Zach Wilson's playing quarterback, what is the you know,

1239
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: what is the perception of Sala because from out here

1240
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: it seems like he's got it together.

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Speaker 8: H Yeah, I would say the perception of him is

1242
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 8: often built off what players say in the media. And

1243
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 8: the players really respect him, they really like him. They

1244
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 8: he's he's obviously a super talented defensive mind, but he's

1245
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 8: kind of an unknown as a head coach, and his

1246
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 8: like you said, things have popped up last year. There

1247
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 8: was the whole does Zach Wilson even want to play?

1248
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 8: Is he afraid of getting hurt again? He's had things

1249
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 8: come out of his building or out of his locker

1250
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 8: room that make you say, does this guy really have

1251
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 8: a grasp on keeping things in house? But as a

1252
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 8: actual coach defensive wise, very good, player wise, really like

1253
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 8: him strategy wise, A big incomplete in that report card.

1254
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Speaker 2: That's what I've got for you, Ryan. I know you

1255
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: recently had a piece in the New York Post about

1256
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: the ten people or duos in the NFL facing the

1257
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: most pressure this upcoming season. Diggs made your list at

1258
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: number nine. Why do you feel there is pressure there

1259
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: for him? Because I kind of envision him almost as

1260
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: a role player in that Texans offense now in his

1261
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: age thirty season, with some of the other talent they

1262
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: have at receiver. Now, maybe you feel differently, but I'm

1263
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: just curious for your reasoning on putting him on your list.

1264
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Speaker 8: That's a good question. Thank I appreciate you mentioning that story.

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Speaker 8: H I don't see him like that. I mean, he had,

1266
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 8: you guys know better than I had four straight I

1267
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 8: think eleven hundred or twelve hundred yard seasons with the Bills.

1268
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 8: To me, that was a trade that says this is

1269
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 8: our missing piece to challenge the Chiefs. That wasn't a

1270
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 8: trade to say he's gonna be our role player. That

1271
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 8: was a he's our guy. He's the guy who can

1272
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 8: slot in as our you know, for the time being.

1273
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 8: Not a long term answer, but a short term number

1274
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 8: one receiver for our rapidly improving young quarterback. And look,

1275
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 8: Stefan Diggs from my sense where I am five hundred

1276
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 8: you know, however many miles away from you guys, he

1277
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 8: ran himself out of Minnesota playing with Kirk Cousins, and

1278
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 8: he talked his way out of playing in Buffalo with

1279
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 8: Josh Allen. Those are two quarterbacks and two receivers and

1280
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 8: two winning organizations that most receivers would die to play with.

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Speaker 8: Odell Beckham comes on, he was dying for a situation

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Speaker 8: like that in his prime, and Diggs has kind of

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Speaker 8: forced his hand out of two situations like that, Well,

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Speaker 8: he'd better prove that he's the missing that he's the

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Speaker 8: missing link here for the Texans to get over the top.

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Speaker 8: And then obviously he changed his contract. He's playing for

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Speaker 8: a contract too. I mean, he does not looking to

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Speaker 8: retire at age thirty two. He's got to earn his contract.

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Speaker 8: And if it's a twelve hundred yard season, it's going

1290
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 8: to look a lot different than if it's a seven

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Speaker 8: hundred and fifty yards se So.

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Speaker 1: If you don't mind, I want you to just give

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Speaker 1: us a spoiler. Learn about the article. Who's the number

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Speaker 1: one guy under dual under pressure?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I mean we hit on it. It's Robert Sala,

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Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers, Jill Douglass and the Giants. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 8: make a case that they have super like we said,

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Speaker 8: they have super Bowl caliber talent if everything goes right,

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Speaker 8: and Sala could be the first coach fired if they're

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 8: you know, one and three or one and four. He

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Speaker 8: they're under a lot of pressure. Look, guys, I think

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Speaker 8: the Bills. I think Sean McDermott's under a lot of pressure.

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 8: I think they've been knocking on the door for a

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Speaker 8: long time. I think Nick Sirianni's under a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 8: There's some coaches of good teams this year. Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 8: in Dallas, there's some coaches of really good teams under

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Speaker 8: pressure this year. The coaches who are on the hot

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 8: seat traditionally are coaches of bad teams. I think this

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 8: year is a little different in the in the NFL,

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Speaker 8: where some of the coaches on the hot seat are

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Speaker 8: coaches of really good teams.

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Speaker 2: So you you think it's at least possible that Sala

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: could be canned in season. You think that's possible if

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Speaker 2: the start is bad enough.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I mean if they're one and four, I mean

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01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 8: people will be calling for his head in New York

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 8: if they're If they're I mean, their schedule so light, guys,

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you've looked at it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, outside the Niners in Week one, it's pretty easy.

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Speaker 8: I mean the first I mean, there's no reason the

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 8: jet shouldn't be six and two at the very least,

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Speaker 8: and that's with a loss in Week one to the

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Speaker 8: forty nine ers. So uh yeah, if they get off

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Speaker 8: to a bad start, he was on the hot seatal.

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Speaker 8: There were people who didn't want to excuse him for

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Speaker 8: last year, even with Aaron Rodgers on playing four snaps,

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Speaker 8: there are people who thought the whole thing should be

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Speaker 8: flipped over last year. So yeah, if they get off

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01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 8: to a bad start, the pressure on him will be

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Speaker 8: breathing down his neck, especially because there's a lot of

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Speaker 8: respect in the building for Jeff Olbrich, the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 8: as a guy who's a future head coach, So it's

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Speaker 8: not like they'd be like, oh, where do we turn

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 8: and Aaron Rodgers obviously say, hey, I have a lot

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Speaker 8: of faith in the Daniel Hackett, but we're jumping. I

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Speaker 8: don't think there's again, barring injury, I don't think there's

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Speaker 8: any way the Jets get on You have the schedule

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 8: up now. I don't think there's anyway the Jets get

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Speaker 8: off to a slow start there. I mean they're favored.

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Speaker 8: I think I looked it up guys on look ahead lines.

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Speaker 8: I think they're favored in eleven of their eleven of

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Speaker 8: their first fourteen games.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, thanks very much for the time. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you down the line.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right done.

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01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: Levy, NFL writer for The New York Post's right. Just

1348
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: check out his stuff there.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting to think about that. You think mc

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: and the way he said McDermott, mcdermot's under a lot

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Speaker 1: of pressure.

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: That's the second guy that said that. Because we had

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Speaker 2: Adam rank on yesterday, who thinks the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll sell you this though.

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that is the chilling effect about

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01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: that is people will look at other coaches who have

1358
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Speaker 1: had very productive tenures with teams who got fired. Guys

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Speaker 1: like Andy Reid who went to four were straight NFC

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: Championship games, finally got to won Super Bowl. They lost

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: it because to the Patriots. It's hard to And I

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: said this when McDermott, when people were losing their minds

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01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: over I think the thirteen second game. I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: you don't want the guy to use these lessons he's

1365
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: learning with your team and help other teams win because

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Speaker 1: a guy like Sean McDermott, Robert Salah, like Mike Tom.

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Speaker 1: There's even people in Pittsburgh calling for Mike tomlins. Hey,

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: he's never had a losing season.

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Speaker 2: Right, But that's different as I see it, because the

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Speaker 2: Steelers haven't won a playoff game in like six years.

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Speaker 1: He's had can He Pickett, you know, and he had

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Speaker 1: a Ben Roethlisberger who was as old as Methuselah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that you be coming off elbows, give the guy.

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Speaker 1: You give these guys great quotes, and you can say

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Speaker 1: the same thing about You can use it as a

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: plus or a minus. Sean mcdermot's had Josh Allen, Well, okay,

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01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: he should win. Andy Reids had Patrick Mahomes, Yeah he

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01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: should win. Well, what about all the jokers out in

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: San Diego who've got Justin Herbert? What about the guy

1380
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville who's got Trevor Lawrence? What all these guys?

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: These are good quarterbacks who they can't get to the playoffs,

1382
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 1: let alone out of the first round. And the Bills

1383
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: are taking a swing at the championship game, or you know,

1384
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: and once they've gotten a shot at the super Bowl

1385
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: in that last AFC championship game. I just think it's

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01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: crazy to throw out a guy who's getting you to

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01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: that threshold every single year and giving you a swing,

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: particularly when you look back at the way they've lost

1389
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: in a thirteen second game, in a game where your

1390
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver drops a long ball and your

1391
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: kicker misses a kick. You can go down the list,

1392
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: and certainly there's you know, and mcdermotd shoulder some responsibility

1393
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: in some of the other losses as well, But man,

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: oh man, to win a playoff game every year in

1395
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: this league, I don't think you turn your back on that.

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: And now that's McDermott. There's some other guys, maybe Mike McCarry.

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: They've had some they Jerry Jones can pick horses. They

1398
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: got Dak Prescott, I'm not a huge They got Michah Parsons,

1399
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: they got some dudes, Ceedee Lamb. I don't know that.

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01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that that crew can get You know,

1401
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: they're in a tough division, no question, But I don't know.

1402
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: I just if you've got a team that is playing

1403
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: well and giving you a chance, particularly at the end

1404
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: of the season, like the Bills have had in the

1405
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: last four they won the division four years straight. Now

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: you tell me the first year they don't win it

1407
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: and just get in as a wild card, you're gonna

1408
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: can him. I don't know.

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01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I know I've said it before,

1410
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: but the Chiefs and the Bills are the only team

1411
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs each of the last five seasons.

1412
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: It's not the Niners, it's not the Eagles, It's none

1413
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: of those teams. It's the Bills and the Chiefs, Patriots.

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01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: That's it.

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, So to me, I don't know

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: why you would toss the guy over, even the Ravens.

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 2: It just you know, it doesn't compute for me. And

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: if I'm in the minority.

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: Fine, and I and I get I get that to

1420
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 1: And Robert Sala has made chicken salad out of chicken

1421
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: poop for four straight years.

1422
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just struggling to hover around five.

1423
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: He's got he Zach Wilson as a quarterback, and I

1424
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: just yeah, And that's on your GM right now.

1425
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: And and another problem that's persisted for the Jets the

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: lack of player development, which is stunning. I mean it's

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01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: gone on for forty five years. Yeah, they can't. They

1428
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: don't make guys better when they get there.

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: Players don't get better when they're there. And that doesn't

1430
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: seem to be a Sola problem. That seems to be

1431
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: something like a New Jersey problem or something that because

1432
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: you can't go well, yeah, but I think about it.

1433
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: You've had like nine thousand head coaches through that place

1434
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: and nobody ever gets better. It's got to be something out,

1435
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: something in the water. You know it's possible, But I

1436
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: I think man changing a head coach, I just think

1437
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: that's an enormous an enormous risk any organization. Certainly, there

1438
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: many times when you can see and I say, okay,

1439
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: this is going nowhere.

1440
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not too far removed from the constant

1441
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: cycling of head coaches through a building, and it's not

1442
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: often that you hit on it.

1443
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to have Ryan Dunneley by

1444
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: back was just on one thing. I want to ask

1445
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: him too, And I wanted to ask him. I said,

1446
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: what kind of clamor or murmur in the background is

1447
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: there about Bill Belichick hovering around NFC East the cow.

1448
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: Very friendly with Lamara and Tish families of the Giants.

1449
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: Yes, the Giants, the Eagles, the Commanders, the Cowboys. To me,

1450
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: that's I think that's particularly in New York, would be

1451
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: extremely attractive to those teams.

1452
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. When we come back, we

1453
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: open up the phone lines again on this OBL Friday

1454
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: fan mail bag to take your questions and give you

1455
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: some answers on the Bills training camp, the NFL, whatever

1456
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: it is. You fire away at eight oh three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight eight five fifty two five

1458
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Speaker 2: fifty back with your phone calls and tweets here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

1461
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you the Obel Friday fan mail Day open,

1462
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: and we're gonna take a look right now on the

1463
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: tweet sheet as we've only gotten to one there so far,

1464
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: And this one from Jack who says I'm not sold

1465
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: on Trubisky. He really didn't play well in Pittsburgh after

1466
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: he left here. What do the Bills have in Shane Bouchelle?

1467
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 2: I know nothing about his skill set and all I've

1468
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: ever heard is we got him from KC and his

1469
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: dad was a major league baseball player. Can you give

1470
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 2: us the four to one one on this cat?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, little undersized, he's barely six foot and you know

1473
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: he's got a decent arm. You know, I don't think

1474
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: it's an out of this world arm, and you know

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01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: he's pretty sharp and a lot of those guys that

1476
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: are second and third string quarterbacks usually have to have

1477
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: a high football acumen. That's what keeps them in the

1478
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: league because even though they're not playing, they can help

1479
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback get ready to play by what they see,

1480
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: discern and uncover on film. And I think Shane Bouschell

1481
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: helps in that area. As for Trubisky, I will tell

1482
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: you after he left, the one thing that was said

1483
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,440
Speaker 2: about him the most in his previous season in Buffalo

1484
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two was he was an outstanding scout

1485
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: team quarterback in practice for Buffalo's defense. I can't tell

1486
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: you I can count on two hands how many Bills

1487
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: defensive players told me Trubisky gave them such an outstanding

1488
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: look week to week in running the scout team offense

1489
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: for the opponent they were going up against in a

1490
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: given week, they felt more prepared than they ever had

1491
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 2: with any other quarterback running that for them in a

1492
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: Bill's practice setting. So and you might say, wow, how's

1493
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: that gonna help us on the field, Well, it does

1494
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: help you on the field on the defensive side of

1495
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: the ball. So I think there's value in that. And look,

1496
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 2: I think his skill set matches up to what Josh

1497
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: does better than what Kyle Allen does. He's mobile like Josh,

1498
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: you know, has the legs. Those kinds of things don't

1499
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 2: have the arm of Josh. I mean, let's be real,

1500
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,480
Speaker 2: but I think the majority of his skill set allows

1501
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: Joe Brady to probably keep a lot of the same

1502
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: elements of the offense the same should he be thrust

1503
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: into the lineup due to injury for a game or two,

1504
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: God forbid.

1505
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus, let's not forget the job one for Mitch

1506
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: Trubisky and Bouschell is to is to get Josh Allen

1507
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: ready to play. I mean, that's their first job, that's

1508
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: their most important job. So you get Josh ready to play.

1509
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: Trubisky and Josh became really good buddies when he was

1510
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: here the first go around. I think it was a

1511
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: fast friendship and they really had a lot in common.

1512
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: They liked each other and it was a good relationship,

1513
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: and I think Josh was really sad to see him go.

1514
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: But that's job one, and quite frankly, if they're really

1515
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: good at that at getting Josh ready to play and

1516
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 1: helping Josh on the field, particularly in his thought processes.

1517
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: If your backup quarterbacks can get your starting quarterback to

1518
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: make different and better decisions on game day. They're worth

1519
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: They're worth whatever you're paying them, and that's where it

1520
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: begins an end. So I don't really care if Mitch

1521
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: Trubisky matches Josh or if they get Josh to play better,

1522
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: which is part of their job. They're worth it. And

1523
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: if there's different guys out there who could do it better,

1524
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: I wish they'd get those guys because, let's face it,

1525
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: if any of us see Mitch Trubisky or Boushell taking

1526
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: snaps in the game, it better because the Bills are

1527
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: up by f Yeah. So job the priority for those

1528
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: guys is the relationship between Josh and the quarterbacks coach

1529
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: and the offensive coordinator and the coaching staff and helping

1530
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: those guys get Josh ready to play, the number one

1531
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: guy ready to play. So don't overthink it and don't

1532
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: get and I know it comes in hand if Josh

1533
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: goes down for a game or two. Yes, you want

1534
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: a guy who can get it done, and I think

1535
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: Trubisky is that guy. But his job one is to

1536
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: is to help the number one guy play his best

1537
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: and to win games that way.

1538
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: And if he can help the defense at the same time,

1539
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: by what he's doing on the scouts team. He's all

1540
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: the more value.

1541
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: You need guys that can that can make it tough

1542
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 1: on a defense in practice because it helps him on

1543
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: game day. That's obvious.

1544
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: Connor in the mail Bag asks Chris and Steve, what

1545
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: is your favorite game day snack? Steve, as an avid

1546
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: cigar smoker myself, what is your go to cigar? Chris,

1547
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 2: congrats some being named voice to the Bills. Favorite radio

1548
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 2: call from you is the game following Damar's incident. Hines

1549
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: two touchdown returns your call. Well, thanks very much. That's

1550
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: nice to you to say, Steve, go to cigar.

1551
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of ones. A Rocky Pattel seed

1552
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: to smoke, which I just discovered recently, and then the

1553
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 1: other one is a CEO flathead six sixty and there

1554
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: you go. I like. I like sixty ring gage cigars.

1555
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, I don't have. I don't really have a

1556
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: favorite game day snack. I'm just gonna be honest. I

1557
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: kind of keep my eating to a minimum on game

1558
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: day just because the thought of me calling a game

1559
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: and getting excited and food fragments flying out of my

1560
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: mouth doesn't sound very appealing to me or anybody around me.

1561
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: So I usually stick to just making sure you know,

1562
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hydrated. That's about it. But I don't really

1563
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 2: have a go to game day like those of you

1564
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 2: watch the show on Image.

1565
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: You know, I plow through yeah, soda like like it's

1566
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, nectar of the Gods. I mean, I plow

1567
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: through it like it is nothing. And I do the

1568
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: same thing on game day. I drink a lot of

1569
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: soda just because it's available.

1570
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: And I and now you know, if I'm home watching

1571
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: a game and I'm sitting down, I'm having a snack,

1572
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: it's it's probably nachos. I have a nacho problem, Like

1573
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: I am flat out addicted.

1574
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: They also feed us in the press box too, right,

1575
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: whatever you get.

1576
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, the menu varies to your point. But yeah,

1577
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 2: if I'm sitting at home, I've probably got nachos. Maybe

1578
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: I'm making some fresh made quak. I gotta give you

1579
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: the squawk recipe, so you know how you know, you

1580
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 2: can just google a guacamoly recipe and I have found

1581
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: the answer, like the Holy Grail, and it's such a

1582
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: simple recipe. It makes so much sense. But the best

1583
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 2: part about it is you can't screw it up, like

1584
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 2: it's almost impossible, So the results are pretty consistent every

1585
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 2: time I make it. Yeah, and that's why it's appealing

1586
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: to me.

1587
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: I get it because you.

1588
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 2: Can put you can very easily sure kind of mess

1589
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 2: up a guac recipe, and this too, almost full proof.

1590
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: So it's very simple recipe for simple ingredients, that kind

1591
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 1: of thing.

1592
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we say all the time, Steve, simple goodness,

1593
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: simple goodness, Tony asks, does this team with this roster

1594
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: have what it takes to win a Super Bowl? I

1595
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 2: think Steve has stated this many times. The potential is there.

1596
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: There is admittedly more that has to get pulled together

1597
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: to get all going in the same direction in previous years.

1598
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 2: But I made this argument yesterday. You've tried for the

1599
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: last three years to get back to the AFC title

1600
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: game with largely the same contingent of players, and it

1601
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And I think you gave this group that

1602
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: previously existed more than enough time to show you they

1603
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: could do it. They didn't, and it was time to

1604
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: wash through the roster and make some difficult decisions and

1605
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: reset the deck while leaving a strong core intact, which

1606
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 2: I think they've successfully done. Brandon being in his person,

1607
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: you younger, more athletic, I would argue, faster on both

1608
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. So do they have enough to

1609
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: get there?

1610
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1611
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: I do.

1612
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: I do think they do. They have enough. There's enough

1613
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: talent on the roster. It's the question is the biggest

1614
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: question for me is how much can that new collection

1615
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 2: of talent blend together in the way we saw the

1616
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 2: previous iteration of this team.

1617
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Do that? Yeah, my answer to that is yes, they

1618
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: do have enough to win a Super Bowl. The question

1619
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 1: is can they can they get there? And there's a

1620
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: lot you know, there's a million moving parts. They all

1621
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: got to move in the right direction, and you got

1622
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: to hit on enough. You got to hit on more

1623
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: of your million moving parts than the other team hits

1624
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: on their million set of moving parts. And to this point,

1625
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: you get up there and there's been one or two

1626
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: at the very end that didn't move right for the Bills,

1627
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: that's all it is. I mean, you you can say

1628
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: what you want about stacked rosters and all that, and

1629
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: even even you know, the Niners, the Jets, the Chiefs,

1630
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: you can they'll give you a thousand scenarios and a

1631
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: thousand moments in their seasons where they'd go to and

1632
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: win it all, then it all could have derailed. They

1633
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: give you a thousand of them. And you know that

1634
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: has happened late in the Bill's season the last four years,

1635
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: five years, seven years, six years, So you know there's

1636
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: always some if you don't win it, there's always that.

1637
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: And when you get to that end in the in

1638
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: the division round of the playoffs, wild card, division round,

1639
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: championship round, in the Super Bowl, Bill's fans have experienced it.

1640
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: It's one or two plays at the end and that's it.

1641
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: And you can have you could have done everything right

1642
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: up to that point, and one guy makes one mistake

1643
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: or one of their guys makes an incredible play, a

1644
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: lucky play, a get a lucky about whatever. That's why

1645
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: the game is so maddening and so exhilarating. You never

1646
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: know what that's going to be. You gotta be ready

1647
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: for it. And in the last three or four years,

1648
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: the Bills have been right there and that ball bounced

1649
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: the other way, or one player made a mistake, or

1650
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: one of the other players made a superlative play against you,

1651
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: that's it. You're good. There's so and I'm not saying

1652
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that the that every team in the NFL is that good,

1653
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: but I know this one is. I know this one is.

1654
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: They're going to be in that group.

1655
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Break time for us. Some final thoughts from the mail

1656
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: bag when we come back here on One Bill's Live.

1657
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: Stay with us, all right, Just a couple of minutes

1658
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: left here on One Bill's Live. A couple more from

1659
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 2: the mail bag. Andrew asks Chris, I want to congratulate

1660
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: you for being named official new voice of the Bills.

1661
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 2: Did you do a terrific Jeff, thank you. My question

1662
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: for you is what's going to be your signature phrase

1663
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: or saying during games? Yeah. I don't really worry about

1664
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. When if something clever comes to mind in

1665
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 2: the moment, I'll use it. Like that's how I did

1666
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: James Cook's touchdown when I said the cook is in

1667
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 2: the kitchen. That just kind of came to me and

1668
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: it sounded it sounded clever, so I just decided to

1669
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: use it. I don't really plan those, so I don't

1670
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: really that's just not my style. I don't think I

1671
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: would try to come up with some kind of planned

1672
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: signature phrase. If something comes top of mind in the moment,

1673
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: I may use it. I think I did it for

1674
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 2: the Naheim Heines touchdown because he's running to the end

1675
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: zone and I don't know why nobody could catch him.

1676
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: And the first thing I thought of was, you know, run,

1677
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 2: run as fast as you can. You know, Hines is

1678
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: your zone.

1679
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: That thing the opening kickoff after the Damar incident was yeah, supernatural,

1680
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: It was iconic. Yeah, so, yeah, that was unbelievable. I

1681
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: was speechless after that.

1682
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was unbelievable. Rick wants to know, Steve, how

1683
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: difficult was it mentally and physically to get back into

1684
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: football shape at training camp after so much time off

1685
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: and how long did it take before you felt ready

1686
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: to go.

1687
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it take takes that first five days of practice

1688
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, But but physically and mentally, as soon

1689
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: as you feel good after the old season, you start

1690
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: working out again, you're ready to kind of start really

1691
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: going fel.

1692
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: But there's that heavy leg. There's that heavy leg thing

1693
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: that sets in after about a week of camp too, right.

1694
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that, but mentally you're back into it.

1695
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: You feel like you can go. Physically, everybody's in the

1696
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: same boat, you know, they're all tired too.

1697
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Joe asked Will elm be Week one starter at corner.

1698
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance.

1699
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: I think God say yes.

1700
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance. You got Douglas and Benford

1701
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 2: as the incumbents, but I think E's gonna pop off.

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01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: This got a real shot. That's it for us this week.

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Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. We'll see them Monday.