Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb
Speaker 1: and I'm Joe McCormick. In today we're bringing you a
Speaker 1: weird House cinema rewind. This episode originally aired on May.
Speaker 1: Let's see May one. This was transfers to everybody meet
Speaker 1: your new husband Jack Death. Yeah, this one, this one
Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. Uh. Tim Thomason, Helen Hunt,
Speaker 1: Richard Lynch, con traveling um cops, Uh, psychic zombies, various wives,
Speaker 1: and the not so rigorous rules of time travel. We
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about time travel cinema in general
Speaker 1: in this episode, will Tim Thomason, Mary both women listening
Speaker 1: to find out. Welcome to Stuff to blow your mind
Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Weird
Speaker 1: how Cinema. This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick.
Speaker 1: And today it's all Time Cops. It's not the movie
Speaker 1: Time Cop, it's another Time Cop movie. Uh. This is
Speaker 1: one where you know there are different ways you get
Speaker 1: into a piece of b cinema. Sometimes you watch a
Speaker 1: trailer and it really grabs you. Sometimes you just hear
Speaker 1: the pitch and and it gets the hooks in. But
Speaker 1: for me, this movie Transfers to the Return of Jack Death.
Speaker 1: It lured me in with one of the best B
Speaker 1: movie posters I've ever seen. Uh this Uh, I can't
Speaker 1: remember how I first came across this. How did we
Speaker 1: get started on the transfer train? You were talking about
Speaker 1: transfers and then I found this poster. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of things came together. I think I got
Speaker 1: a preview of a Full Moon Entertainment streaming channel in
Speaker 1: order to watch shock Waves, and then forgot to unsubscribe,
Speaker 1: and you know, so I had it for a month,
Speaker 1: and then we were talking about Full Moon Entertainment and
Speaker 1: and if in the question was raised I think by Seth,
Speaker 1: are all the films in the the Full Moon Entertainment catalog?
Speaker 1: Are they? Are they all essentially Evil Ball and Ginger
Speaker 1: dead Man? And I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there you know there's some early stuff. I think there's
Speaker 1: some good stuff in there, maybe the transfer movies. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen them yet. And then the next thing I
Speaker 1: knew I had about of insomnia, so I fired up
Speaker 1: Transfers one and started watching it. Okay, that's right. So
Speaker 1: you were talking about Transfers one and you were pitching
Speaker 1: me on the concept, which which sounded quite enticing. Uh,
Speaker 1: sort of similar. It sounded like a cross between time
Speaker 1: cop and Uh. There's a series of video games. I've
Speaker 1: never played one, but the games are called Assassin's Creed
Speaker 1: and the premise of them is that you don't physically,
Speaker 1: in your body go back in time, but you can
Speaker 1: like send your mind back in time to inhabit the
Speaker 1: body of one of your ancestors. Is that right? I
Speaker 1: think that's how it works. Yeah, I I I'm not
Speaker 1: really versed in those games either, okay, And so that's
Speaker 1: the that's one of the basic plot mechanics of transfers,
Speaker 1: right that it has a it has a drug based
Speaker 1: time travel mechanism where you can send your brain, or
Speaker 1: at least your your consciousness back into the body of
Speaker 1: one of your long dead relatives. Correct. Yeah, roughly speaking,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna lean into what's going on, uh there
Speaker 1: there are seemingly two methods of time travel in the film.
Speaker 1: There's the genetic ancestral drug technique to move consciousness and
Speaker 1: a physical time travel technique with severe limitation. So there
Speaker 1: is a continuation or survival of consciousness in these films,
Speaker 1: akin to reincarnation as well. As a consciousness based model
Speaker 1: of time, and it woul seem to indicate that time
Speaker 1: is largely an illusion created by consciousness and can be
Speaker 1: manipulated through pharmacology and manipulated to such a degree that
Speaker 1: then physical time travel is possible as well. That's right.
Speaker 1: Transfers too gets deep. This is um. I remember when
Speaker 1: I first signed up for Netflix many men of years ago.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because, like, you would tell it what
Speaker 1: movies you liked, and then it would start suggesting its own,
Speaker 1: Like Netflix curated thematic subgenres for you. And I remember
Speaker 1: one of the little uh categories that curated for me
Speaker 1: based on the movies that I had liked previously was
Speaker 1: mind bending thrillers. And so I think this is technically
Speaker 1: a mind bending thriller. Yes, um, it bends the mind,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit. It bends it in multiple directions.
Speaker 1: But but I gotta come back to this poster. So
Speaker 1: you were telling me about transfers, and then I looked
Speaker 1: up the poster but ended up seeing the poster for
Speaker 1: Transfers to the Return of Jack Death. This thing is beautiful.
Speaker 1: It belongs in the Ufizia. It's um. So it's got
Speaker 1: a painting of the main guy in the movie. But
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with this guy. I guess his
Speaker 1: name is Jack Death d e t right like megadeath,
Speaker 1: not like the actual word death. And then the painting
Speaker 1: he looks like Lane's boss from Seinfeld, you know, the
Speaker 1: guy with the like very smooth, like slick back white
Speaker 1: hair and the dark eyebrows. And he's looking kind of
Speaker 1: like Sam the Eagle, looking kind of stern and handsome
Speaker 1: with a strong jaw line. But he's got a long
Speaker 1: coat on. It's almost like, you know, he's like a
Speaker 1: flasher creep, but inside the coat it's not his body.
Speaker 1: It's like a galaxy full of stars. And then there
Speaker 1: are a couple of people standing with him, two women,
Speaker 1: each holding guns. One of them is Helen Hunt, kind
Speaker 1: of smiling in a mild way, holding a shotgun and
Speaker 1: wearing the mom jenes eist mom jeans that have ever
Speaker 1: been created. Oh, and they're also like standing on the
Speaker 1: surface of Mars, which doesn't correlate to anything that happens
Speaker 1: in the movie. Right. Do you know why in this
Speaker 1: poster Jack Death has a galaxy inside his coat? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing in the film to indicate why
Speaker 1: this would be. But I guess if we lean into it,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's from the future, so he has
Speaker 1: a he has a sci fi nature to him. And
Speaker 1: if you can, I don't know, you're bending time in space.
Speaker 1: Uh that's about as much as I can come up with. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I guess one thing we should acknowledge is that
Speaker 1: this is yet another episode where we're covering a sequel
Speaker 1: without having covered the original film. And I think, Rob,
Speaker 1: you're going to sort of do recap duty for us
Speaker 1: to tell us about the first Transfers movie. But but
Speaker 1: we do not apologize for doing this. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think some of my favorite episodes of Weird House Cinema
Speaker 1: have been where we covered a sequel without covering the original.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that often works out so well.
Speaker 1: Something about it is kind of liberating. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's something we're going to keep doing, and we
Speaker 1: maybe even need like a dedicated word for like the
Speaker 1: sequelocity episodes or yeah, because I think one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that it works is that when you're dealing with sequels,
Speaker 1: especially sequels of this caliber. You know, in sequels of
Speaker 1: genre films, um there are at least one of two
Speaker 1: things are likely to be happening here. So on one level,
Speaker 1: a sequel is a chance to move beyond the establishing
Speaker 1: setting and origin stories and get into the meat of
Speaker 1: a of a new, fresh story. Uh, provided however, that
Speaker 1: you don't have to then reset Heaven and Earth to
Speaker 1: make a sequel work. So I would say that a
Speaker 1: great example of this is Blade to where uh Gamma
Speaker 1: de Toro did not have to deal with any of
Speaker 1: like the origin story of Blade for the most part,
Speaker 1: and just got to get into just run right into
Speaker 1: a new adventure with only minor resetting. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like getting to start a movie in the second act. Yeah. Probably,
Speaker 1: I love this film obviously, But a bad example of
Speaker 1: this would be Highlander two, where everything was wrapped up
Speaker 1: in Highlander one, so in order to do a sequel
Speaker 1: they really had to reset Heaven and Earth and inject
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of new material there. Yeah. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of sequels that have to essentially undo the
Speaker 1: previous film in some way in order to exist, and
Speaker 1: on certain occasions that be a kind of like bold
Speaker 1: and gutsy and admirable move. Uh. This is a widely
Speaker 1: hated movie, but one one that does this in a
Speaker 1: way that I think could have been great? Is Alien three?
Speaker 1: Alien three? I mean, I guess I'm not gonna spoil
Speaker 1: anything for a movie that's been out this long. Alien
Speaker 1: three begins by killing most of the characters that survived
Speaker 1: Aliens and uh and beloved characters that all die right
Speaker 1: at the beginning actually off screen. It's just like it
Speaker 1: happens in between the films, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: like this, but something about me always kind of appreciated
Speaker 1: like this could be the setup to a real powerful
Speaker 1: gut punch of a of a third Alien movie. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Alien three is It's one of those movies that is
Speaker 1: it's hard to say it's bad because I think it's
Speaker 1: essentially an unfinished film. We we don't we didn't ever
Speaker 1: get to see what Alien three would have been. Um
Speaker 1: so many great aspects to it. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful cast, Pete post Away, Charles S. Dutton. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: got an amazing cast. A dance as a trust likable
Speaker 1: human being, which or at least a more relatable human
Speaker 1: being than he tends to play. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: remember all the wrinkles in his character, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: a complete bastard, as I recalled Charles Dance is just wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it has a great cast, has in a way
Speaker 1: a strong setup. Is just yeah, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: basically an unfinished film that was nevertheless released and kind
Speaker 1: of really suffers for that. It's sort of held together
Speaker 1: by duct tape and paper clips. But but but that
Speaker 1: was all a tangent to say. There are some cases
Speaker 1: where it feels like it can be really strong. Most
Speaker 1: of the time, when your sequel has to undo the
Speaker 1: previous film, it's just really irritating. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about Halloween one Halloween two? Because Halloween One ends with
Speaker 1: like Donald pleasants, is like, finally we have we have
Speaker 1: killed him, and then Halloween two begins with oh wait,
Speaker 1: my bad, I'm sorry I missed him, or it's not dead,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Halloween two is not the worst
Speaker 1: slasher movie and not the worst slasher sequel, Like it's
Speaker 1: a pretty competently executed, uh slasher horror movie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's totally unnecessary and it's quite clear that it
Speaker 1: was just just kind of a cash grab. It's like
Speaker 1: the first movie was really successful, we got to do
Speaker 1: another one. I mean, I don't think it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: it like Carpenter didn't even direct it. I think he
Speaker 1: co wrote the screenplay if I'm not mistaken, But um,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that. But whoever was all
Speaker 1: the creative forces behind it. It is a competently made
Speaker 1: horror movie, but their heart wasn't really in it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah. The next thing about sequels is definitely the
Speaker 1: rehash and redo area of sequel making. In it, in
Speaker 1: its worst case, you have a like direct to video
Speaker 1: cash in that is intentionally just completely um uh, lacking
Speaker 1: of the originality of the first film. But you also
Speaker 1: see this other, this, this reverse, and that's when you have,
Speaker 1: particularly a lower budget or indie picture that does really well,
Speaker 1: and then the sea will is a chance to essentially
Speaker 1: redo it, hopefully with improvements to the budget, cast, script, etcetera.
Speaker 1: I think prime examples of this would be Evil Dead
Speaker 1: Too and Phantasm To, both of which benefited from larger
Speaker 1: budgets and are both kinds of sequel slash remakes. I
Speaker 1: know fans are porn on some of the issues regarding these,
Speaker 1: and you know their their arguments about like what's better
Speaker 1: Phantasm Wonder Phantasm Too? But undeniably these are cases where
Speaker 1: the filmmakers got to go back and spend a lot
Speaker 1: more money, maybe with a lot more um um. You know,
Speaker 1: caveats attached to how they use that money, but still
Speaker 1: they got to explore the same dream with more cash.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the same is true Phantasm too,
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen it, but certainly with Evil Dead too,
Speaker 1: there's a big difference, not just in uh in budget
Speaker 1: and not just in the resources they had to work with,
Speaker 1: but in the tone of the movie. Whereas the first
Speaker 1: Evil Dead movie is like a is like a dark, straight,
Speaker 1: gross horror movie, the second one is a comedy essentially. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you get tweak the tone even in cases, and
Speaker 1: then sometimes I can think it can it can have
Speaker 1: great results. But now, how does this apply to transfers,
Speaker 1: Because if I'm not mistaken, I think the first one
Speaker 1: actually got a theatrical release and this one I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it feels extremely straight to video. Yes, this one
Speaker 1: was straight to video, unlike the previous one. I couldn't
Speaker 1: find any information about the actual budget for transfers to
Speaker 1: um so this one maybe cost as much, maybe cost more,
Speaker 1: but I doubt it. I think it costs less. Um.
Speaker 1: It's certainly made at least one key upgrade, and that's
Speaker 1: in villain casting, which we'll get to in a bit.
Speaker 1: But they largely rehatch the plot of the first one,
Speaker 1: except with additional complications and additional characters. But I feel
Speaker 1: like they brought almost everybody back, so, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a cast reunion to a certain extent. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so if you're about to re recap the first movie
Speaker 1: for us, the first thing I've got to know is
Speaker 1: it's called Transfers to the Return of Jack Death. Where
Speaker 1: did he return from? Do you return from the future
Speaker 1: to the past or from the past to the future. No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't return from anywhere. He returns to your your
Speaker 1: your your TV screen. Basically. That's because there's talk of
Speaker 1: him returning to the future, but he does not return
Speaker 1: to the future. He doesn't return to the future until
Speaker 1: Transfers three. So it just literally could have been called
Speaker 1: transfers to Jack Death is in another movie. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: so previously on Transfers. Okay, So, Angel City of the
Speaker 1: twenty third century. It has a lot of problems. Most
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles is underwater and a psychic mastermind known
Speaker 1: as Whistler, who uses his psychic powers to turn other
Speaker 1: humans into transfers, zombie like thralls. Uh you know these
Speaker 1: are these are psychically controlled sleeper agents who can be
Speaker 1: triggered into a monstrous rampage. But luckily you have some
Speaker 1: transfer hunters on the case and there's none more um
Speaker 1: you know, excellent at at at singing transfers than old
Speaker 1: Jack Death. Jack Death is sort of the Harley Stone
Speaker 1: of transfers, so he's a pro had taken him out,
Speaker 1: pro it's sending those transfers. Uh. Meanwhile, the police actually
Speaker 1: have Whistler's body, They have the super bad guy's body,
Speaker 1: but they don't have his mind because Whistler, we find out,
Speaker 1: has used the time travel drug to send his consciousness
Speaker 1: back in time to five, where his consciousness now inhabits
Speaker 1: his ancestors body in his ancestor is a police detective.
Speaker 1: So complications. Oh. Now, while in the past, Whistler hasn't
Speaker 1: just been hiding, he's been hunting down and murdering the
Speaker 1: ancestors of his key enemies in the future, members of
Speaker 1: the ruling council of Angel City. So he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's basically running a terminator game on his enemies here.
Speaker 1: So Jack Death has been hired by the one remaining
Speaker 1: UH member of the ruling Council to follow Whistler Quote
Speaker 1: down on the Line down the timeline um by using
Speaker 1: the time travel drug, and Jack Death's consciousness emerges in
Speaker 1: his own nine five ancestors body a reporter in in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But before he goes, he shoots whistlers Um
Speaker 1: future body his commentos body dead before he goes. So
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, I'll go get him, but I'm
Speaker 1: not bringing him back alive. He's not coming back to
Speaker 1: this body. Too dangerous to live, Okay. So where does
Speaker 1: Helen hunt come in? She's kind of okay. Once in
Speaker 1: the past he meets up with this punk girl named
Speaker 1: Lena and that is Helen Hunt Um. And so she's
Speaker 1: she's she's in it. She's gonna help him. She you know,
Speaker 1: she gets her eyes are open to the time shenanigans
Speaker 1: going on, so she's she's right there with him to
Speaker 1: help him fight the battle. Uh, they fall in love,
Speaker 1: et cetera, you know, as as one would expect, and
Speaker 1: they hunt down the drunken, homeless former pro baseball player
Speaker 1: hap Ashby who is the ancestor of the future ruler
Speaker 1: who is in jeopardy. So in this quest, Death is
Speaker 1: aided by some high tech equipment that is also sent
Speaker 1: back through time and space to him, presumably via a
Speaker 1: different time travel methods. So once you've had your consciousness
Speaker 1: zipped back, they can send you a small box like
Speaker 1: the size of a cigar box that has a few
Speaker 1: uh um, you know, special tools that you can use.
Speaker 1: Does this include the watch that allows you to stop
Speaker 1: time for ten seconds? Yes, this includes the watch that
Speaker 1: gives you a long second if you push a button.
Speaker 1: The long second is just pausing time for a second,
Speaker 1: letting you do some bullet time stuff. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: incredibly useful. Yeah. But he also has um two doses
Speaker 1: of a serum that he can use. If the serum
Speaker 1: is injected into somebody who is um a consciousness from
Speaker 1: the future occupying a body, then it will kick that
Speaker 1: consciousness out and send it back to the future. So
Speaker 1: these two doses, one is to allow Jack Death to
Speaker 1: return to the future for his consciousness to leave his
Speaker 1: ancestors body. The other dose is to send um Whistler
Speaker 1: out of his ancestors body. But since Whistler is dead
Speaker 1: in the future his he'll just go into oblivion. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right. So he defeats Whistler, but he faces a problem.
Speaker 1: Only one of the two consciousness booting doses survived the battle.
Speaker 1: He can only inject one of them. He can kill
Speaker 1: Whistler in the past uh and and use the one
Speaker 1: dose to return himself, but that means killing the body
Speaker 1: that Whistler in habits, which is an innocent man with
Speaker 1: a family. So instead he ejects Whistler's consciousness into oblivion,
Speaker 1: thus sparing Whistler's ancestor, and remains behind in to marry
Speaker 1: Lena played by Helen Hunt and live in the twentieth
Speaker 1: century happily ever after with after in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: in southern California. Wow. Perfectly serviceable movie, but I think
Speaker 1: in in some in some ways a better movie. But
Speaker 1: ultimately I think Transfers two is more fun. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess that Transfers To is significant funnier than the first movie.
Speaker 1: Um yes, it definitely leans into the comedy a little
Speaker 1: bit more without getting into like full blown um you know,
Speaker 1: um yuck a minute mode that you kind of see
Speaker 1: in the later full uh, full Moon Pictures releases, and
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of that in a in a
Speaker 1: bit here. Um, But transfers one did have a few laughs,
Speaker 1: and I'll mention one or two of them as we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's the previous movie. Well, what's the elevator pitch
Speaker 1: on the second movie? Jack Death is back, Baby, Jack
Speaker 1: Death all over again. Yeah, I was trying to think. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got an old pitch on the second movie, which
Speaker 1: is that, due to unforeseen transfers, Jack Death realizes that, oh,
Speaker 1: he had another wife in the future that he forgot
Speaker 1: to tell Helen Hunt about, and now she's back in
Speaker 1: the past and and so now he's faced with the
Speaker 1: dilemma must he choose between them? Or can he marry
Speaker 1: both women? Let's hear that trader audio. My name is
Speaker 1: Jack Death. I'm a transfer hunted from the century. It's
Speaker 1: been so even years since I went down the line
Speaker 1: old California. Life's been good. I thought i'd send my
Speaker 1: last transfer, but nothing lasts forever. Jack transfers to the
Speaker 1: return of Jack Death. Jack must be getting to you.
Speaker 1: You have no idea. I actually haven't listened to this,
Speaker 1: but I imagine there's a really good in a world
Speaker 1: narrator in it. Uh yeah, the trailer. I actually don't
Speaker 1: advise watching the trailer in full because the one that
Speaker 1: the official one that's uploaded by full moon's like three
Speaker 1: minutes long and is basically a summary of the entire film.
Speaker 1: It shows you everything, and you know, it's like, not
Speaker 1: that spoiler is going to ruin your enjoyment of Transfers too,
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's it's worth going into
Speaker 1: fresh Oh wait a minute, then, then should people not
Speaker 1: listen to this episode before they watch? Oh no, they
Speaker 1: can do that, that's right. I mean, I think everybody
Speaker 1: who's been into weird ol cinema you know the deal.
Speaker 1: We're gonna you know, we're gonna talk loosely about the movie.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the people in it, and then
Speaker 1: we'll get more into the plot. So if you need
Speaker 1: to jump out halfway through, you know where to jump
Speaker 1: out at. Um, you know, if you need to go
Speaker 1: watch the movie and you want, you don't want any spoilers,
Speaker 1: otherwise we're gonna spoil pretty much everything. Well, I I
Speaker 1: greatly enjoyed Transfers too, but I would not say the
Speaker 1: lot was hanging on the outcome of the plot. For me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty predictable, you know what's gonna happen. Alright, So
Speaker 1: who made this thing? Well, Charles Band, of course. Um,
Speaker 1: he's the director. He has an original story credit on this,
Speaker 1: uh born n one. We've discussed his bio before, but
Speaker 1: but briefly, he's the man behind Empire International Pictures and
Speaker 1: then Full Moon Features, and he directed some some really
Speaker 1: awesome eighties and nineties sci fi and horror films, you know,
Speaker 1: lower budget, fair for sure, before going increasingly in the
Speaker 1: Evil Balling, Ginger dead Man direction. Um, this is I
Speaker 1: believe our third Charles Band auction, but our first film
Speaker 1: that he actually directed. What were the other two was
Speaker 1: what he was a producer on, Robot Jocks, right, Robot
Speaker 1: Jocks and Arena, two absolutely glorious films, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a Robot Jocks tie in later on here. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he has sixty eight directorial credits, and I'd say most,
Speaker 1: if not all, of it from recent decades is certainly
Speaker 1: of the Evil ball Sword. But this movie is from
Speaker 1: the era in which Band was still making films that
Speaker 1: seemed to aim to be more genre action entertainment without
Speaker 1: just being you know, abject horror comedy and so forth.
Speaker 1: I'm talking stuff like two, Parasite, which starred Jimmy Moore, Um,
Speaker 1: metal Storm, The Destruction of Jared sin from three, which
Speaker 1: which I really enjoyed. That's a that's a fun sort
Speaker 1: of otherworldly post apocalyptic mash up thing. Doctor Mordred which
Speaker 1: is kind of a Doctor Strange picture before we had
Speaker 1: a Doctor Strange picture. And these films were not local
Speaker 1: hits by any means um. I I assume they made
Speaker 1: money of some sort um since things kept going, But
Speaker 1: you know, many of them developed a following, and as
Speaker 1: a producer, band played a role in bringing a lot
Speaker 1: of weird shlock to the screen, and I think like
Speaker 1: ultimately as a producer is where he has the most
Speaker 1: endearing value. Uh. You know, there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun stuff going on in the the Empire, uh Pictures,
Speaker 1: Days as Weth, the Early Full Moon Days and and
Speaker 1: even though the evil bolling stuff is not for me,
Speaker 1: I recognize that that too seems to have its following,
Speaker 1: So fair enough. Yeah, I think we're on the same
Speaker 1: page here. Like I love a good funny b horror movie,
Speaker 1: but ones that lean too hard on that intentionally that
Speaker 1: try to be too funny. Uh. At a certain point
Speaker 1: that kind of step over the line of intentionality and
Speaker 1: the silver loses its luster. Yeah, or or it certainly
Speaker 1: becomes harder to achieve, you know, perfection. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I can. I can think of some horror comedies that
Speaker 1: are really good. Uh, and we'll probably mention one in
Speaker 1: a bit that I'm rather fond but uh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just harder and harder to do, whereas
Speaker 1: the sweet Spot is trying to It's trying and maybe
Speaker 1: not fully succeeding in making a serious horror sci fi film.
Speaker 1: So one of the most hilarious things of our entire
Speaker 1: Transfers journey. Last night, Rachel and I watched Transfers to
Speaker 1: the Return of Jack Death, but also ended up researching
Speaker 1: other Transfers movies throughout the evening. So, of course, you
Speaker 1: had Transfers in nineteen eighty four, and then you had
Speaker 1: Transfers to the Return of Jack Death. This was nineteen
Speaker 1: nine one, which, as we've talked about on the show before,
Speaker 1: nine is maybe the most eighties year that ever happened. Um,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't stop there. You've got Transfers three Death
Speaker 1: Lives in nineteen ninety two, Transfers four, Jack of Swords
Speaker 1: in ninety four, Transfers five Sudden Death d E T
Speaker 1: H again in ninety four, and then Transfer six and
Speaker 1: Transfer six does not have a subtitle. It really should have.
Speaker 1: I think they should have kept going with the play
Speaker 1: on the word death, so it could have been Transfer
Speaker 1: six Death by Misadventure. I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff you could do. Yeah, I haven't seen Transfers
Speaker 1: three yet, but I want to actually have a queued
Speaker 1: up because I think I'm I'm on board for that one. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm less thrilled about the idea of Transfers four and
Speaker 1: five because I understand those are a kind of notoriously
Speaker 1: bad ones. One was I think filmed in East European
Speaker 1: castle and some of the people involved in that one
Speaker 1: we're paid in money that couldn't leave the country if
Speaker 1: it's read correctly. And the other is a Western, so
Speaker 1: we have like medieval transfers, Old West transfers, and then
Speaker 1: Transfer six is um is it doesn't even have Jack
Speaker 1: Death in it. Well, it's got an old Western So
Speaker 1: this is like going in the same arc as the
Speaker 1: Tremors sequels, Trimmers and transfers are kind of running parallel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't really do transfers in space because
Speaker 1: it's already sort of lot. I don't know. Maybe they
Speaker 1: could do transfers in space and that would explain the
Speaker 1: galaxy inside his coat. That would maybe they go into
Speaker 1: space in three. I don't know, Like I say, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen three yet. One thing, I was really surprised
Speaker 1: by transfers four and five, of which you're the ones
Speaker 1: you're saying are notoriously awful. We're both apparently directed by
Speaker 1: David Nutter, who does tons of high profile TV work,
Speaker 1: including directing many Game of Thrones episodes that are some
Speaker 1: of the most memorable ones. I think he did the
Speaker 1: Red Wedding episode, and he did a bunch of X
Speaker 1: Files episodes that are like really well remembered. I think
Speaker 1: he directed Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose. Yeah, he's a trusted
Speaker 1: hand in um in in TV and presumably film direction
Speaker 1: as well. But I mean, yeah, these these productions like
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones are essentially film productions. Charles band or
Speaker 1: whoever owns this now, if you're looking for some amateur
Speaker 1: filmmakers to make transfers seven Death by Misadventure. I think, hey,
Speaker 1: we're your people. Get in touch now. The writers on
Speaker 1: this one. I should point out that Danny Bilson and
Speaker 1: Paul Demo wrote the first one. These are also the
Speaker 1: guys who wrote Arena. We mentioned them briefly in that
Speaker 1: episode of Weird howse Cinema. Uh. Danny Bilson went on
Speaker 1: to write screenplays for The Rocketeer and to Five Bloods,
Speaker 1: which came out in what just last year I think
Speaker 1: uh and uh, and I think was was pretty acclaimed.
Speaker 1: That's a Spike Lee film. Um. And then the writers
Speaker 1: on this picture. The screenwriter is accredited as Jackson Burr. Uh.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of information on him, but he was
Speaker 1: active from Nino, did a number of screenplays for Full
Speaker 1: Moon and some other B movies. Most notably he did
Speaker 1: the screenplay for the Full Moon feature Subspecies. All Right,
Speaker 1: I think we got to get into the cast because
Speaker 1: we've said the phrase Jack Death probably thirty five times already.
Speaker 1: Who plays Jack Death? Well, this is a glorious chuck
Speaker 1: roast of a man named Tim Thomerson. Yes, Tim Thomerson,
Speaker 1: who I think it's safe to say is a B
Speaker 1: movie icon of sorts. Um, he's he's he's still very
Speaker 1: much around, still active, born ninety six. Uh. I was
Speaker 1: looking him up because I hadn't really researched him before this.
Speaker 1: I just knew that he was in some Full Moon
Speaker 1: pictures and you know, that was kind of that as
Speaker 1: far as I knew, that was where he emerged from.
Speaker 1: But he actually started out as a stand up comic
Speaker 1: and was quite successful at it in the late seventies
Speaker 1: and very early eighties. I mean, he was showing up
Speaker 1: on late night talk shows and so forth. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: you shared a bit that you found on YouTube. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of seventies and eighties stand up comedy, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like there's the really good stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's really good, and then almost everything else is just drek. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I can't say that the video you
Speaker 1: shared was amazing, but maybe it was a little bit
Speaker 1: better than Drek. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm just ready
Speaker 1: for the worst when I look at pretty much any
Speaker 1: stand up comedy, but especially stand up comedy from from
Speaker 1: from years past, and for the most part, it seems
Speaker 1: like he had kind of a zany seventies guy, kind
Speaker 1: of vibe. He had a big bushy mustache and did
Speaker 1: some sort of like um, something like post stoner kind
Speaker 1: of humor, kind of a water down Robin Williams vibe
Speaker 1: as well. Like imagine a toned down Robin Williams who
Speaker 1: lifts Yeah, I would say, uh, surfer guy Robin Williams
Speaker 1: who does a lot of mouth sound effects and occasionally
Speaker 1: uses props. Yeah, so ends up. He has kind of
Speaker 1: a zany entertainment origin, especially when you compare it to
Speaker 1: stuff like his role as Jack Death, who certainly has
Speaker 1: some comedic corners to it, and you see some of
Speaker 1: that comedic energy bleed through in his performance here. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, it's kind of a noir esque,
Speaker 1: hardened detective kind of a role, you know, and he
Speaker 1: has the he has the face for it. He's, you know,
Speaker 1: ruggedly handsome kind of guy. Oh exactly. I chose my
Speaker 1: Chuck Roast phrase very carefully because I think that's sort
Speaker 1: of community. He's very ruggedly handsome, classically meaty noir guy,
Speaker 1: but with an extra little twist of absurdity. I was
Speaker 1: kind of surprised, though, like he has this very um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like he he has like
Speaker 1: blondish whitish hair in this and he has his very like,
Speaker 1: very rugged features. And I looked it up. Did you
Speaker 1: see how old he was when they filmed this Transfers
Speaker 1: to And he's four five, so he's he's just three
Speaker 1: years older in this film than I am right now.
Speaker 1: So uh, And he was, but he was thirty eight
Speaker 1: and the first Transfers and in that I would have
Speaker 1: assumed that he was like in his late forties. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was had a very cured look about him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he has a face that speaks of much tobacco
Speaker 1: and beach. Yes, they're very very sun dried. Uh So
Speaker 1: his career trarectory again stand up comedy. But then he
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of TV work, popping up on
Speaker 1: stuff like Lavernon Shirley Um. And then he did a
Speaker 1: little film in three called metal Storm that directed the
Speaker 1: Destruction of Jaredson, that was directed by Charles Band And
Speaker 1: so the following year he did the first Transfers film. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you've mentioned this a couple of times now, and
Speaker 1: I hear the elation in your voice, So maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I gotta watch metal Storm. Uh yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: watch it again. But I remember it being fun. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but the thing is once you're once you go to
Speaker 1: band camp. Uh you're in band camp. Uh. So yeah.
Speaker 1: So he did Transfers and then the other Transfer films,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the sixth one. He also started
Speaker 1: as Dollman. In the Dollman films, he played this character
Speaker 1: brick Bardo, who's like, it's like a miniaturized human gimmick.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen any of those, but they were
Speaker 1: apparently successful enough in the Full Moon universe to do
Speaker 1: stuff like doll Man versus Demonic Toys. Um don't they have.
Speaker 1: They've had different franchises that are all about killer toys.
Speaker 1: They've got puppet Master, Demonic Toys, Dollman. Am I missing
Speaker 1: some others? Killer g I Joe's I think technically when
Speaker 1: you get into like the Ginger dead Man stuff, like
Speaker 1: Ginger dead Man is like a small gingerbread cookie that
Speaker 1: it kills people consistency. But he was. He was also
Speaker 1: in some other stuff. He was in Zone Trooper's Nemesis,
Speaker 1: Iron Eagle Cherry two thousand, which is a good one.
Speaker 1: He's also in Near Dark, the excellent vampire film from
Speaker 1: Katherine Bigelow with Lance Henrickson in it, and uh and
Speaker 1: Bill Paxton among others. Yeah, that's one of the best
Speaker 1: vampire movies ever. I think he plays a dad in that.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember Tim Thomerson in it. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: main character's dad maybe. Yeah. So Rachel and I were
Speaker 1: discussing a theory last night that Tim Thomerson edits Wikipedia
Speaker 1: because we were drilling into the wikies for like to
Speaker 1: see what was going on with the Deep Transfer sequels
Speaker 1: after we finished the movie and I we came across
Speaker 1: some hilarious unsourced claims, like on the wiki for Transfer six, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, it doesn't have a subtitle, but the
Speaker 1: tagline on the poster is same attitude, different sex. So
Speaker 1: I think it's that Jack death this time comes back
Speaker 1: and inhabits the body of an ancestor who was female. Yes,
Speaker 1: in fact, I could be wrong, but it might be
Speaker 1: his own daughter. I'm not sure what would that makes sense?
Speaker 1: It would still be his future of Okay, would still
Speaker 1: be his I did. Don't Yeah, don't try and make
Speaker 1: in these movies work. It'll just it'll just hurt your brain. Stop. Okay,
Speaker 1: But anyway, you get to the reception section of the wiki,
Speaker 1: for Transfer six. It has one sentence and the reception
Speaker 1: section reads. Reception for the film has been overall negative,
Speaker 1: mainly due to the lack of Tim Thomerson. And I
Speaker 1: thought about that scene in The Simpsons where we're Homer's
Speaker 1: reading the list of suggestions to Roger Meyer, and he's like,
Speaker 1: whenever Pucci is not on screen, all the other characters
Speaker 1: should be asking where's Pucci. Where's Thomason? Yeah, he is
Speaker 1: the center of this these pictures, it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: one with that. Oh, but we gotta get to the
Speaker 1: real star power here. We've got a couple of stars
Speaker 1: in the sky of transfers To. One is Richard Lynch,
Speaker 1: the other is Helen Hunt. This is this Academy Award
Speaker 1: winning actress. That's right, the Helen Hunt born three, very
Speaker 1: much active today, plays Lena Death in this because she's
Speaker 1: married to Jack Death. Point um. Now, now, don't worry
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt Hunt fans. This was several years before her
Speaker 1: award winning role in His Good as It Gets. Her
Speaker 1: career hadn't quite taken off yet. Uh for at the
Speaker 1: time of transfers To, she had just done additional voices
Speaker 1: on Captain Planet Um and afterwards, she was in a
Speaker 1: really weird supernatural western with Bruce Dern called Into the
Speaker 1: bad Lands, which I remember being good. I saw it
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but I remember liking that.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, she hadn't hadn't quite taken off yet,
Speaker 1: she'd even she'd come back for Transfers three. But shortly
Speaker 1: after that, I think she had moved beyond the orbit
Speaker 1: of full moon and uh was onto bigger and brighter things.
Speaker 1: So Helen Hunt in this movie plays Jack Death's wife
Speaker 1: in the past, who is going to come into conflict
Speaker 1: when his wife from the future comes back to the past. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Helen Hunt is an exceptionally good actress, and this
Speaker 1: is in many ways an exceptionally poorly written role, which
Speaker 1: is always a really enjoyable collision of forces when you
Speaker 1: have like a great actor saying ridiculous lines. And some
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of this movie where the scenes
Speaker 1: where Helen Hunt is just rattling off paragraph long lines
Speaker 1: about the mechanics of time travel and complaining about the
Speaker 1: fact that he has another wife that she didn't know about.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the real chef kiss things in
Speaker 1: this movie. And and it's also different because she's a
Speaker 1: very down to earth good actor, unlike there are other
Speaker 1: actors like who could be really great. But also we're
Speaker 1: in lots of B movies delivering ridiculous lines like you know,
Speaker 1: I think Donald pleasants, but somehow Donald Pleasants I think
Speaker 1: fits more into the B movie world when he's in it. Uh. Here,
Speaker 1: it's just somebody who's clearly got like more screen presence
Speaker 1: than than this movie demands doing these lines that are
Speaker 1: absolutely absurd, but but doing them, you know, doing the job.
Speaker 1: But also, oh my god, her costuming in this movie.
Speaker 1: I guess it was part of the fashion in n
Speaker 1: to have these like really high waisted loose jeans. But
Speaker 1: her mom jeans in this movie are just extraordinary. They
Speaker 1: they explore previously unknown reaches of mom jeans z nous.
Speaker 1: They're almost kind of like the mc hammer pants but jeans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh, Like, like you said, she has some she
Speaker 1: has some real acting challenges in this this film that
Speaker 1: she's you know, totally totally has the chops for, but
Speaker 1: she's put in. It's put in particularly, she's put in
Speaker 1: some really challenging scenes with the very green actor Megan Ward.
Speaker 1: Uh in this it's in some Uh, some some Bechdel
Speaker 1: flunking dialogue where it's just all about Jack Death. It's
Speaker 1: just two female characters talking exclusively about the male character.
Speaker 1: And you know, Helen Hunt clearly has the screen presence
Speaker 1: in this talent and Megan Ward is just not there yet.
Speaker 1: That is funny almost any time, Well, it is like
Speaker 1: Pucci and everybody should be saying where's Pucci? Because in
Speaker 1: this movie, if Jack Death is not on screen, basically
Speaker 1: the other characters on screen are talking about where's Jack Death?
Speaker 1: Who's going to get to marry Jack Death? Now? Now,
Speaker 1: speaking of Megan Ward, uh, she she plays Alice still Well,
Speaker 1: who is Jack Death's first wife from the future um
Speaker 1: Born nine. She she was in in Sceno Man. She's
Speaker 1: done a lot of TV work, including some work on
Speaker 1: General Hospital UM. So she's not in the first Transfers
Speaker 1: And I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and
Speaker 1: assume that she grew as a performer after this, But yeah,
Speaker 1: she's green as grass in Transfers to and has no
Speaker 1: help from the dialogue either. So it's I can't place
Speaker 1: all the blame on on her by any means, but
Speaker 1: the result is she kind of ends up dragging down
Speaker 1: every scene she's in, except except her scene with a
Speaker 1: character named Rabbit, which we'll get to in a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she she gets through her lines, but she's pretty consistently
Speaker 1: kind of low energy, like not uh not really amped
Speaker 1: up to the absurdity level that the that the rest
Speaker 1: of like the older actors were going for. She would
Speaker 1: have worked great in the humanoid like she has. She
Speaker 1: has humanoid level energy. But the thing is in this
Speaker 1: everybody else has has has much higher levels of energy
Speaker 1: or intensity. And speaking of intensity, the legend in fact
Speaker 1: we're this this actor has real legends about him that
Speaker 1: I wasn't even aware of before we started researching for this.
Speaker 1: It's time to talk about Richard Lynch, our villain for
Speaker 1: the film. Yes, Richard Lynch plays Dr wardo Um who
Speaker 1: the nature of this character is kind of confusing. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that in a bit. But but Lynch was
Speaker 1: born in nineteen he died in a true B movie
Speaker 1: legend with that and was a huge upgrade for the
Speaker 1: Transfors franchise here because the chief villain, Whistler in the
Speaker 1: first film was played by this guy, Michael Stefani, who
Speaker 1: was was fine. I mean, I'm not saying Stefani was bad,
Speaker 1: but he he didn't have the smoldering intensity of of
Speaker 1: Richard Lynch. Uh. Now, Lynch had a really signature look.
Speaker 1: You know, he had to look up a picture of
Speaker 1: him if you don't remember him. Bright blonde hair, sharp nose,
Speaker 1: the scarred face. And uh, I never knew the like
Speaker 1: the history on his on the scars that he had.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'd say a lot of the films I've
Speaker 1: seen him in, the picture quality is not really good
Speaker 1: enough to pick up on it all that much. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're watching like a like a YouTube rip of
Speaker 1: a check dub of Scanner Cop three, you you don't
Speaker 1: really pick out the fine detail of his face as well. Right.
Speaker 1: But but something that's mentioned in the o bits included
Speaker 1: for him, including the New York Times, oh bit for
Speaker 1: Richard Lynch, is that, um, according to Lynch, he suffered
Speaker 1: scarring in nineteen sixty seven after he set himself on
Speaker 1: fire while under the influence of L. S. D in
Speaker 1: New York Central Park. This is one of those stories
Speaker 1: that I didn't know until yesterday, and I was like,
Speaker 1: how have I never read this before? Yeah? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of thing I would have picked
Speaker 1: up on it is sure enough if you if you
Speaker 1: look it up on YouTube, you can find a scene
Speaker 1: from the documentary UM l s D Trip to Nowhere,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a no, it's tripped to where
Speaker 1: LSD trip to where question mark UM a documentary from
Speaker 1: and it's just some rough interview footage of a young
Speaker 1: Richard Lynch who's um, you know, injuries are far more
Speaker 1: apparent in this early footage. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: you know, he still hasn't healed up from reconstructive surgery
Speaker 1: or what the exact details are, but he's talking about
Speaker 1: this experience and it's a it's a rough rough watch.
Speaker 1: So he was appearing in basically an anti LSD scare film, yes,
Speaker 1: But but anyway, it's it goes beyond Lynch's looks though,
Speaker 1: because he was a solid actor who brought just real
Speaker 1: menace to his many many villainous roles over the decades.
Speaker 1: There you know, there are a lot of character actors
Speaker 1: who had you know, odd looks to them, you know,
Speaker 1: and have particular features of their appearance that lend well
Speaker 1: to uh uh, you know, horror and sci fi. But
Speaker 1: but in some of them don't clearly don't have like
Speaker 1: the acting chops to back it up. I think Lynch
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that clearly did have the
Speaker 1: acting chops. Yeah, I agree. You know. One thing that's
Speaker 1: interesting is that I noticed later touches of this in
Speaker 1: his in his adult roles, but it's less there, it's
Speaker 1: more there in that early interview from the sixties when
Speaker 1: he's young, is that he has that kind of classic
Speaker 1: Transatlantic accent. He sounds a little bit like William F.
Speaker 1: Buckley when he talks. Yeah. So his credits include such
Speaker 1: films as God Told Me To the the excellent weird
Speaker 1: Larry Cohen film, in which he plays an alien him aphroditic, uh,
Speaker 1: christ like being that has come to New York City.
Speaker 1: He's in The Seven Ups, which is, you know, not
Speaker 1: a genre pieces, just like a crime movie. He was
Speaker 1: in The Ninth Configuration. Uh. He was in The Sword
Speaker 1: and the Sorcerer and the Barbarians. So he he definitely
Speaker 1: got into the into the you know, the medieval fantasy
Speaker 1: type epics, you know, generally playing some sort of evil sorcerer.
Speaker 1: He was in Scanner cop he was in Necronomicon, Book
Speaker 1: of the Dead, and he's one of many B movie
Speaker 1: and genre icons who Rob Zombie brought into some of
Speaker 1: his films. So you'll find him especially in the Lords
Speaker 1: of Salem. I would say he also is in the
Speaker 1: B movie Hall of Fame for his participation in War Wilf. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, he's he's in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you know, Actually, now that I mentioned it, I
Speaker 1: can't recall if he actually got to complete his scenes
Speaker 1: for Lords of Salem. He might have. He might have been, uh,
Speaker 1: that might have been towards the end of his life.
Speaker 1: It's possible that that he's not in that at all.
Speaker 1: He may have just been originally part of the cast
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, But I think he
Speaker 1: was in Rob Zombie's Halloween movie. That sounds right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also showed up on Star Trek, The Next Generation
Speaker 1: Murder she wrote, and six Ft Under, So yeah, Richard
Speaker 1: Lynch was in a lot of things. He was in
Speaker 1: a lot of B movies, played a lot of of
Speaker 1: of of bad guys and it was just really good
Speaker 1: at it. Does he ever play a good guy? I
Speaker 1: can't recall that ever happening. I've never seen a movie
Speaker 1: where he wasn't a villain. I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: he had to have at some point, but I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think he could have done it. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially as he got older, you know, he could. I
Speaker 1: could see him leaning in into you know, because you
Speaker 1: see out of character photographs of him and he's just
Speaker 1: you know, he's just this older dude with you know,
Speaker 1: with white hair at that point. But then again, if
Speaker 1: you're hiring Richard Lynch, you want the intensity, right, Like,
Speaker 1: try to imagine this movie with Richard Lynch as as
Speaker 1: Jack Death and Tim Thomason as the as the villain.
Speaker 1: That doesn't quite work, does it now? And then also
Speaker 1: the films of this caliber, they're often painting in um
Speaker 1: in very you know, strict colors. You know, you want
Speaker 1: your villain streak, you want your hero streak. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: not necessarily looking for a really complex palette. So a
Speaker 1: lot of Richard Lynch's screen time in Transfers To is
Speaker 1: actually on screen. On screen, he'll be on a TV
Speaker 1: screen like indoctrinating people, indoctrinating his transfer army with weird
Speaker 1: mantras or there's a great part later in the movie.
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite parts actually, where he's
Speaker 1: on a TV show being given a softball interview by
Speaker 1: Barbara Crampton. Yeah, yeah, another B movie name of of note,
Speaker 1: noted for animator from Beyond Your Next, Beyond the Gates
Speaker 1: and The Lords of Salem as well. But but that's
Speaker 1: something that's something. There's some some great scenes. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: this movie, he plays a psychic madman cult leader, so
Speaker 1: there's plenty of of of Lynchian depth there for him
Speaker 1: to get into. Oh, don't forget environmental terrorists. They had
Speaker 1: to throw that in as well. He's many things, too
Speaker 1: many people in this movie. Uh, and it's also funny
Speaker 1: how it made me think about how I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure whether I wonder if there was like some event
Speaker 1: in the news that really put this in people's brains.
Speaker 1: But I really think in the early nineteen nineties there
Speaker 1: were a lot of movies about where the villains were
Speaker 1: eco terrorists. Yeah. I think it was, yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: maybe a safe place to go in some ways, but
Speaker 1: but also perhaps revealed some anxieties about uh, you know,
Speaker 1: environmental movements and the you know, the ramifications of or
Speaker 1: perceived ramifications of environmental movements. So you do see it
Speaker 1: a lot weird, all right. There are other human in
Speaker 1: this movie, though we should get to them. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have Biff Maynard or Pert Biff Mannered. He's sometimes his
Speaker 1: name is apparently misspelled as Maynard, but anyway, he plays
Speaker 1: hap Ashby. This actor was born nineteen. He's reprising his
Speaker 1: role from the first film, as as the the one
Speaker 1: remaining ancestor of the future leader, who is a washed
Speaker 1: up professional baseball player. Okay, yes, and he has to
Speaker 1: be kept alive or else the future Politician will not exist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's um. I wouldn't say he's a great actor, but
Speaker 1: he's a he's a decent enough actor. And he has
Speaker 1: given some walky lines and reactions in this movie that
Speaker 1: are fabulous. So he's he's a treat. Oh yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: And you know his his name sort of reads like
Speaker 1: a sentence somehow, it's like Biff Menard. I don't know it,
Speaker 1: it works. Uh. And he he spends most of the
Speaker 1: movie getting back on the sauce gradually. Yes. Uh. We also, oh,
Speaker 1: you know we were talking about in the Humanoid how
Speaker 1: oh we have a bond girl in this one, Well,
Speaker 1: move over Humanoid, because we don't just have a bond
Speaker 1: girl in this one. We have a double bond girl.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Martin Beswick. Right, that's right. She plays
Speaker 1: Nurse Trotter. It's just a you know, sort of a
Speaker 1: secondary villain role. But she was borne still still around
Speaker 1: as of this recording. She was in From Russia with
Speaker 1: Love in nineteen sixty three and Thunderball in nineteen I
Speaker 1: was actually so She and Jeffrey Combs another B movie icon. Man.
Speaker 1: This this cast list is gigantic. Uh. They are sort
Speaker 1: of a team in this movie that they don't do
Speaker 1: much like physical attacking. I mean, I guess they do
Speaker 1: a little bit, but mostly what they do is sit
Speaker 1: side by side and kind of give the main characters
Speaker 1: the side I like, look at them almost as if
Speaker 1: to give them withering looks an issue, like a self
Speaker 1: esteem annihilating, deprecating comment about them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say either. I mean she she she definitely gets
Speaker 1: to bust out some side. I Jeffrey Combs, who again
Speaker 1: another B B movie icon, the reanimator himself. Um, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot to do in this. He just
Speaker 1: basically sits around with a goatee. Um kind of asks
Speaker 1: um Lynch's character what he should do? You know, follows
Speaker 1: orders and also confers with the nurse here. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: his goatee and his shady glare do most of the acting.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna largely skip over the
Speaker 1: McNulty's here, but basically you have an old McNulty and
Speaker 1: a girl McNulty. Old McNulty is played by this actor,
Speaker 1: Art lafleur Borne. You may have seen him. He played
Speaker 1: the babe in the sand Lot. He was in the Blob,
Speaker 1: he was in Cobra, he was in Field of Dreams.
Speaker 1: He was even in a Key and Peel sketch. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's got slight notes of Buddy Hackett, right, Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then Alison Croft plays Girl McNulty. We'll get into the
Speaker 1: distinction here. She's born in five went on to appear
Speaker 1: on Madman and Shameless. I feel like this is the
Speaker 1: biggest cast list we have ever plowed through in a movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there's something interesting about all of them,
Speaker 1: or in the case of the next guy, he's just
Speaker 1: such a delight on screen. Uh. Talking about Sonny Carl
Speaker 1: Davis playing Rabbit. Tell me about Rabbit. All right, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything about when he was born, but I
Speaker 1: think he's still around. Uh. Davis has been in a
Speaker 1: bunch of films, including a bit part in Fast Times
Speaker 1: at Ridgemont High. But the first place I saw him
Speaker 1: was in the excellent nine horror comedy Terror Vision, in
Speaker 1: which he plays kind of creepy satellite TV repair guy
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Oh, I think I know who he was.
Speaker 1: And Fast Times at Ridgemont High he's the guy who
Speaker 1: gets Judge Reinhold fired from his job by complaining about
Speaker 1: his he didn't like his food at the restaurant. Remember this,
Speaker 1: I don't. He's like, um, I think I just want
Speaker 1: my money back. Yeah, it's it's him. It's a memorable
Speaker 1: performance because sunny Carl Davis has he sticks in you.
Speaker 1: He was also in Film and Louise and I Can
Speaker 1: get a part in the Burbs. But in this he
Speaker 1: plays Rabbit, deranged orderly at the sort of mental institution.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a bit, but he has
Speaker 1: some cheesy comedic lines that he manages to bring to
Speaker 1: life delightfully, and the character Rabbit would apparently go on
Speaker 1: to be a staple of the Evil Bong franchise and
Speaker 1: related Full Moon pictures. I'm not sure how they brought
Speaker 1: him back or you know, if it's just basically little cameos,
Speaker 1: but essentially he's played Rabbit nine times. I get the
Speaker 1: feeling that what Dick Miller is to the Roger Corman universe,
Speaker 1: sunny Carl Davis is to the Full Moon universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's great in this. I ended up really loving Rabbit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Rabbit to One of the many surprises of
Speaker 1: the film, this this fiscile balding man with eyelids that
Speaker 1: opened like eight meters wide is also apparently the heart
Speaker 1: throb of the hospital staff, like all the ladies are
Speaker 1: Gaga or Rabbit. Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: but okay, alright, let's see real quick. Um we should
Speaker 1: mention Tellma Hopkins. She plays Commander Reins in the future
Speaker 1: and she's reprising a role from Transfers one. Uh. She
Speaker 1: was part of Tony or and O and don uh
Speaker 1: that that musical act. But she also did a fair
Speaker 1: amount of TV and film work. She was on Family
Speaker 1: Matters and I realized I was trying to think, where
Speaker 1: did I recognize her from? But she plays Aunt Rachel
Speaker 1: on Family Matters. But she Yeah, so she's like the
Speaker 1: Commander of the future. Cops in the future. In there
Speaker 1: are a couple of scenes in this I guess the
Speaker 1: bookends of the film that are in the future, and
Speaker 1: she's sort of like recapping what's going on, explaining the
Speaker 1: plot and and giving people orders. And there's there's a
Speaker 1: very funny scene at the very beginning where she's telling
Speaker 1: a dyspeptic art La Fleur that he must go back
Speaker 1: into the past and he complains mightily. Yeah. Also, remember
Speaker 1: her character is one of Jack Death's exes, so everything
Speaker 1: everything revolves around Jack Death, right, yes, when when Jack
Speaker 1: Death is not on screen, everyone's asking where is Jack Death?
Speaker 1: All right, real quick? I'll mention the music. Phil Davies
Speaker 1: and Mark Ryder did it. Um. They also did the
Speaker 1: scores for Society and a few other films, and I
Speaker 1: think Right ended up working a bit more on his
Speaker 1: own for Transfers. I'll say it. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: decent score. It's invisible most of the time, you don't
Speaker 1: really think about it. But there were other parts of
Speaker 1: it that I kind of dug. You know, it's electronic,
Speaker 1: a bit sappy at times, but effective. I think Wardo's
Speaker 1: theme So when when there's sort of like sinister stuff
Speaker 1: going on in the asylum, and that's where I would
Speaker 1: notice the music and be like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: all right, I can dig this. Uh. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I really noticed the music, except I noticed it
Speaker 1: a little bit right at the beginning. Because so maybe
Speaker 1: we should get into the plot breakdown. Are you ready?
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We open on Jack Death and Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt accidentally just called her Helen Haunt cruising in his
Speaker 1: classic Yeah, exactly, cruising in his classic corvette. And by
Speaker 1: the way that Jack Death loves his Corvett. This is
Speaker 1: very much a point to note in the film. Yes,
Speaker 1: and uh, and we get some some moody, kind of
Speaker 1: sad music playing, and this was one of the only
Speaker 1: points where I really noticed the score. Like I said, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's the dreamy electronic music. The Death's hair is blowing
Speaker 1: in the wind. And then we get narration and Jack
Speaker 1: Death tells us in voice over, during the last six years,
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time wandering this part of
Speaker 1: the California coast. It's tough knowing it's all going to
Speaker 1: be under the ocean after the killer quakes of My
Speaker 1: name is Jack Death. I'm a cop from the future.
Speaker 1: Transfer detail and I didn't know it yet, but back
Speaker 1: up the line, my old supervisor McNulty was on his
Speaker 1: way to see me. McNulty is a professional pain in
Speaker 1: the ass, but the council is stuck with him because,
Speaker 1: like me, he had an ancestor in Old California. That's
Speaker 1: the only way to send someone's consciousness back in time
Speaker 1: over the genetic bridge. I hadn't learned about the TCL
Speaker 1: chamber yet, and then I guess it's really just starting
Speaker 1: to get very detailed for for voiceover narration. But I
Speaker 1: stopped because I was thinking this must present a very
Speaker 1: bizarre pattern of sort of discrimination and hiring of time
Speaker 1: cops in the future, right, Like you have to submit
Speaker 1: your family tree and details to see if they can
Speaker 1: find a relative of yours and Old cal Inlifornia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um. They don't go into it a lot, but like,
Speaker 1: like clearly the transfer I mean, I guess the transfers
Speaker 1: thing is it was isolated in time at one point,
Speaker 1: but then the trans the then the transfers are moving
Speaker 1: around in time. Whistler and Whistler's brother are moving around
Speaker 1: in time, so that means the time. That means that
Speaker 1: your transfer cops have to become time cops and yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. So anyway, we get this opening scene
Speaker 1: I was talking about where Commander reins Telma Hopkins is
Speaker 1: is explaining to McNulty how all the time travel stuff works,
Speaker 1: and this scene, Um, I gotta be honest and say,
Speaker 1: I had to watch this twice. I did not follow
Speaker 1: the scene at all. The first time. I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? I guess you had a leg
Speaker 1: up because you've seen the first movie. Um, but if
Speaker 1: you haven't, this one just kind of rolls over you.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a wave. But basically it's it's
Speaker 1: the stuff we've already talked about your consciousness. If you
Speaker 1: take a drug, your consciousness can go back in time
Speaker 1: to an ancestor. It seems mostly you can't travel back
Speaker 1: in time physically, at least not your whole body. But
Speaker 1: now there is a machine called the TCL Chamber that
Speaker 1: looks like a crappy version of the Apollo Command Module,
Speaker 1: and you can send that back in time empty that nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody can go in it, and then people can get
Speaker 1: in it in the past physically in their bodies and
Speaker 1: go forward in time to the future. Got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you don't get it. I just advise you
Speaker 1: to watch the movie speak if they do a little
Speaker 1: better job explaining it, I guess, or at least presenting
Speaker 1: it visually. So tell my Hopkins is explaining that they
Speaker 1: need to send McNulty's consciousness back in time to possess
Speaker 1: the body of his ancestor, who at this point is
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old girl in California. In two, I
Speaker 1: think tell Jack Death about the TCL chamber that will
Speaker 1: allow him to get into it and travel back to
Speaker 1: the future. Is that right, that's right. Yeah. In the
Speaker 1: last film, McNulty had to go back in time to
Speaker 1: do the same thing, and in that one it is like,
Speaker 1: you know, an eight to ten year old girl that
Speaker 1: he had to inhabit, which was one of the funnier
Speaker 1: part the legitimately funnier parts of Transfers one where this
Speaker 1: a little girl showing up and she's talking like a
Speaker 1: like you know, I got like a like a tough
Speaker 1: rough and tumble, you know, um, police commander from the future.
Speaker 1: Is she smoking a cigar? Uh No, she's not smoking
Speaker 1: a cigar, but she's almost almost smoking a cigar. Well,
Speaker 1: in this movie, McNulty's ancestor smokes a cigar, which I
Speaker 1: think is is played for comedy. I think partially on
Speaker 1: the basis of some of some gendered assumptions, but also
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is funny to see any
Speaker 1: like fifteen year old chomping on the cigar. Alright, So
Speaker 1: then Commander Rains explains more of the plot. Again, I
Speaker 1: did not understand any of this the first time I
Speaker 1: had to go back. But so they've sent someone else
Speaker 1: back in time to the body of an ancestor. And
Speaker 1: this other person is Jack Death's wife in the future, Alice,
Speaker 1: who we learn is dead in the future. I can't
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was established in the first movie,
Speaker 1: but she has been murdered in the future. It's weird
Speaker 1: when we when we actually discuss it like this, this
Speaker 1: sounds like the most complicated movie plot of all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I was trying to think, like it actually
Speaker 1: is super complicated. It just doesn't really feel like that
Speaker 1: in the movie because all this stuff you just like,
Speaker 1: you kind of don't catch it and it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and then you just keep watching. But so she's dead
Speaker 1: in the future, but she wasn't dead a few years
Speaker 1: ago in the future. So they sent somebody back in
Speaker 1: time but still to the future, just a few years before,
Speaker 1: in the future before she died, to tell her that
Speaker 1: she has to go farther back in time to nine
Speaker 1: so she can I believe hunt transfers they're right, And
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's so many funny exchanges in the
Speaker 1: scene where it just gets amazingly complicated. McNulty is like,
Speaker 1: I thought we killed Whistler and all the transfers in
Speaker 1: the past, and then Rains is like, but there's a
Speaker 1: new Whistler in the past and now he's made new
Speaker 1: transfers in the past. Yeah, And I like, I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize Whistler was what I thought. There was just
Speaker 1: the one Whistler. So I've never figured out if if
Speaker 1: Richard Lynch's character in this is truly like Whistler's brother,
Speaker 1: is it Whistler himself, his consciousness some kind of escaped.
Speaker 1: They're kind of all over the place briefly explaining who
Speaker 1: he is supposed to be. Okay, I think I know
Speaker 1: the answer. Okay, I think the answer is that Richard
Speaker 1: Lynch is playing Whistler's brother, playing a guy named ed WARDO. Whistler,
Speaker 1: who is the brother. I think the guy in the
Speaker 1: first movie is named James Whistler. Is that right? Um? Possibly? Um?
Speaker 1: I feel like I looked that up and I was.
Speaker 1: I also was confused when I started looking up his
Speaker 1: name in the first film. But I think I think, yes,
Speaker 1: I think you're correct. This is supposed to be Whistler's brother.
Speaker 1: This is um, you know, I guess they all both
Speaker 1: both siblings had the psychic gift of creating transfers. Uh.
Speaker 1: Because there's a scene later on where Helen Hunt and
Speaker 1: Jack Death are figuring it out in a very Doctor
Speaker 1: Acula type meant They're like, oh, this Richard Lynch is
Speaker 1: is his name is E d Wardo? Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You know Whistler had a brother named ed WARDO Whistler.
Speaker 1: It's him, you know, E d Wardo. Get it all right?
Speaker 1: Good enough for me? Okay, but I was thinking about
Speaker 1: Dr Wardo throughout this movie as Doctor Warrio. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we get a bunch more plot. Mccannics. There's so much
Speaker 1: explaining at the beginning of this. So they say, okay,
Speaker 1: Jack Death, he can't come back to the future of
Speaker 1: the normal serum way because his old body in the
Speaker 1: future is now. They call it calcified, which I guess
Speaker 1: would mean it's like all made of bone. Now I
Speaker 1: guess like he just can't come back. His body's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks bad. They show it on a slab and
Speaker 1: it's just all gross looking. Yeah. So he can only
Speaker 1: come back to the future in the TCL chamber and
Speaker 1: that lunar module thing or not learned to the command
Speaker 1: module thing. Uh, they're sending that back for him, otherwise
Speaker 1: he'll be stuck in the past forever. And then we
Speaker 1: get introduce us to this James Bond gadget we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: the long second watch, which slows time for like ten seconds.
Speaker 1: You can go into bullet time basically. Oh. And then
Speaker 1: there's a funny part where McNulty is like, hey, Rains,
Speaker 1: aren't you and Jack Death. You know you were formerly
Speaker 1: in love but you split up. Why would you want
Speaker 1: him back? And the implication there is that like, if
Speaker 1: if you discovered your ex was stuck in the past,
Speaker 1: you just leave them stuck in the past. But she's like, look,
Speaker 1: I can't leave him stuck in the past just because
Speaker 1: we have a history. We have to think about the
Speaker 1: future of the future. And uh oh, And they find
Speaker 1: out that Jack Death is going to get a seat
Speaker 1: on the council, which is very important somehow, but it's
Speaker 1: not really explained. I don't think the later someone says
Speaker 1: it's like becoming a king of the universe, so I
Speaker 1: guess it's really important. I don't know. Jack Death doesn't
Speaker 1: come off as like a really terrible person, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. If he comes he seems like the best
Speaker 1: choice for a king of the universe. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: anti establishment for the most part. You know, he's kind
Speaker 1: of a rogue cop. He doesn't need to be mayor
Speaker 1: the city right exactly. But one thing I noted when
Speaker 1: we were first watching this is that the exposition scene
Speaker 1: here at the beginning just sounds like a transcript of
Speaker 1: the pitch meeting. It's just somebody describing the like basically
Speaker 1: the concept of the movie. But then there was also
Speaker 1: a really funny part here I took a screen grab
Speaker 1: for you to look at, where while she's explaining everything
Speaker 1: to him, a technician and a lab coat comes up
Speaker 1: and just starts trying to undress McNulty, like reaches over
Speaker 1: to his coat and McNulty is very irritated. But anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: so the action starts when we go back to the
Speaker 1: past where Jack Death and Helen Hunter driving around and
Speaker 1: they drive up to Happs house. Remember, Halp is the
Speaker 1: guy who he originally had to go back in time
Speaker 1: to protect because he's the ancestor of a future politician.
Speaker 1: And here I started noticing one of my one of
Speaker 1: my favorite type of awkward cinematography, which is regular dialogue
Speaker 1: scenes where there's nothing particularly intense going on, where the
Speaker 1: camera is way too close to the actors. Uh So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a standard way of shooting dialogue between two characters,
Speaker 1: today's alternating cuts between what are usually called over the
Speaker 1: shoulder shots, so you shoot from roughly, you know, over
Speaker 1: the shoulder of where the other person in the conversation
Speaker 1: would be. You know, there are other choices you can
Speaker 1: make it. You know, it's an open art form. But
Speaker 1: a lot of times this movie will be cutting back
Speaker 1: and forth between people talking, and it's cutting between what
Speaker 1: is basically just extreme close ups of people's faces while
Speaker 1: they're talking, and the effect is very funny. I could
Speaker 1: screen cap many examples, but I just included one here
Speaker 1: for just Helen Hunt talking. I think she's talking about
Speaker 1: wanting to go house hunting. And it's like right up
Speaker 1: in her pores. Yeah, it's one thing if it's Richard Lynch,
Speaker 1: because Richard Lynch is generally saying intent villain stuff and
Speaker 1: stare harng into your soul when they're doing these close ups.
Speaker 1: But this is a scene where they're just talking about
Speaker 1: sort of side character stuff about how she really wants
Speaker 1: to settle down and get a house and he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel ready. Yeah, and then it cuts back to him
Speaker 1: and he's he's being kind of being a jerk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend a day with some pencil
Speaker 1: neck real estate agent going house hunting. But we're right
Speaker 1: up in his pores too, and they're just a mile wide,
Speaker 1: and it's wow, It's it's amazing. Another thing. So they
Speaker 1: get to Hap's house. Halp lives in this mansion which
Speaker 1: is hideous property where he's restoring an antique fire truck
Speaker 1: and I was wondering, is this something from the first movie?
Speaker 1: Was Happy in Transfers One a fire truck enthusiast happened
Speaker 1: the first movie was a former pro baseball player that
Speaker 1: is now um homeless, you know, in his you know,
Speaker 1: suffering from from alcoholism. And so in this they've sobered
Speaker 1: and sobered him up, and I don't remember it being
Speaker 1: explained why. But he's set up in this ugly mansion
Speaker 1: that's decorated like like like something a stereo typical divorced,
Speaker 1: middle aged dad would dream up where you know, you're
Speaker 1: storing a fire truck and there and everything. All the
Speaker 1: decoration inside the house is like fire trucks and baseball reabelia,
Speaker 1: and there's a big old bar in the center of everything,
Speaker 1: maximum Baseball. It's it's like the you know the concept
Speaker 1: of a man cave, but it's this entire mansion A
Speaker 1: better description, Yeah, it's it's full man cave mansion, and
Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. He's got thirty six dart boards. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where Happ got this money. But
Speaker 1: they're living with Hap, uh like kind of like looking
Speaker 1: after him as parents, I think, so. Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is especially funny. We'll get back to that in just
Speaker 1: a second. But uh, there there was also a funny exchange.
Speaker 1: So they're like, why did why did Jack Death come
Speaker 1: back to Happ's house? What are they doing here? I
Speaker 1: thought they were supposed to be on vacation or a
Speaker 1: honeymoon or something um, but he's like, Hap, I had
Speaker 1: to come back because I had a funny feeling. And
Speaker 1: then half goes no, no, not trancers again, Jack, and
Speaker 1: then it cuts to not dialogue in the scene, but
Speaker 1: voiceover of Jack death saying I've been having a strange feeling,
Speaker 1: the feeling I get when there are transfers around, just
Speaker 1: to make it clear. But then anyway, Lena Helen Hunt's
Speaker 1: character announces that she has to get Hap to bed.
Speaker 1: Why does Lena have to make Happy go to bed?
Speaker 1: It's like he's a child and their babysitting him just permanently.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he's um in his late
Speaker 1: fifties or early sixties here. And yet they refer to
Speaker 1: this a couple of times in the movie that they
Speaker 1: are still kind of grooming this guy to eventually procreate,
Speaker 1: to produce the offspring that the world depends on, like
Speaker 1: the ancestor that ends up being the ruler of the
Speaker 1: future apparently has not been produced yet by this um,
Speaker 1: by this uh this specimen of a man here. Uh
Speaker 1: So I'm not really sure how that's gonna work out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think they could have done an interesting sitcom
Speaker 1: with them essentially raising Hap. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: Meet the deaths Um Death Family matters, I don't know
Speaker 1: very good. Yes, I would watch that sitcom, but this
Speaker 1: is the life they've created for them, but that life
Speaker 1: is about to be turned upside down by transfers. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: if it was the sitcom, Richard Lynch would become the
Speaker 1: arkle of it. He'd be like the nerdy next door
Speaker 1: neighbor who keeps showing up and he's like, look, I've
Speaker 1: figured out how to create transfers. Oh man, it would
Speaker 1: be the most intense Did I do that ever? Richard
Speaker 1: Lynch staring like straight into your bones? Did I do that?
Speaker 1: But then we cut to the next morning, and there's
Speaker 1: several things going on at the same time. One of them,
Speaker 1: I guess, is a conversation between Helen Hunt and Jack
Speaker 1: Death about house hunting. We sort of mentioned that already.
Speaker 1: But also there's just an immediate transfer attack. Landscaping company
Speaker 1: shows up. The camera lingers ominously on a guy with
Speaker 1: a shovel who's working in the yards. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I wonder what's gonna happen. You think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a transfer And then Hap goes out to be like Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, good job digging on the lawn, and and
Speaker 1: the guy immediately like his face works out and against
Speaker 1: these gross forked lightning veins coming down his cheeks. And
Speaker 1: also there's just random dirt on his forehead and some
Speaker 1: kind of dark liquid dripping out of his eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They at this point a transfer has been triggered out
Speaker 1: of their like sleeper cell mode, and they're just full
Speaker 1: on maniacal attack mode. And then one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things is if the transfer is then killed with like
Speaker 1: a laser gun or in the first film or in
Speaker 1: this you know, just shot with normal ammunitions. Once they
Speaker 1: hit the ground, they will disintegrate and leave like a
Speaker 1: smoking outline of their body on the ground. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: turn into red lasers and disintegrate. Yeah. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: totally it's totally unexplained. Why why would this happen? I
Speaker 1: guess it has to do maybe I don't know, the
Speaker 1: psychic powers are somehow linked they create the transfers are
Speaker 1: linked to this idea of consciousness and time and I
Speaker 1: don't know. But anyway, so this is going on. The
Speaker 1: transfer attack happens while Jack Death and Lena are talking
Speaker 1: about wanting well Helen Hunt wants to buy a house,
Speaker 1: and Jack Death is being a jerk about it because
Speaker 1: he does not want to spend time touring homes. He's just, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. A lot of man child elements
Speaker 1: in this movie, yes, And then they're talking about it.
Speaker 1: I guess they sort of make up and they're talking
Speaker 1: about their future and they're kissing, and then Jack Death
Speaker 1: suddenly perks up is spidy, senses are going and he's
Speaker 1: like transfers, and so the landscaper Transer and his crew
Speaker 1: are trying to kill Halp, but Jack Death hilariously, it's
Speaker 1: like he riding in on a horse to save the day,
Speaker 1: but instead he drives up on them in a golf cart,
Speaker 1: steering with one hand and shooting with the other. And
Speaker 1: this was maybe my biggest laugh out loud moment of
Speaker 1: the movie. Very very strong, it's very very great and
Speaker 1: played like a lot of stuff in this film. Most
Speaker 1: of the things in this film played seriously, yes, which
Speaker 1: makes it work much better. So Jack Death defeats the
Speaker 1: Transcers and it's like, oh, I thought we dealt with
Speaker 1: all the transfers. I wonder if there's a new Whistler
Speaker 1: in the past. But immediately McNulty arrives in in his
Speaker 1: ancestors body on a bicycle and uh he there's a
Speaker 1: bunch more exposition explains all this stuff about time travel,
Speaker 1: basically rehashes a lot of what we learned earlier, explains
Speaker 1: about the TCL chamber. Uh. They end up setting up
Speaker 1: a tent in the yard to hide the time machine
Speaker 1: when it arrives from the future. I love it. Very
Speaker 1: very cheap move on the production. I like it. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what the quality was. It's something about
Speaker 1: her line delivery. But Rachel and I kept noticing that
Speaker 1: the actress who plays McNulty's ancestor, who who is good like,
Speaker 1: she's funny in this she has very all Garfield energy.
Speaker 1: I'm referring to an actress from sketching. I think you
Speaker 1: should leave. It's the sketch with the intervention for for
Speaker 1: Tim Robinson that's in the Garfield house, you know where
Speaker 1: she's saying like, yeah, but it's a total party house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to look this back up that that's a
Speaker 1: it's a fun sketch. The actor I think you're referring
Speaker 1: to as Kate Berlant, who she's born, She's born eight seven,
Speaker 1: so she's actually younger than Transfers. One. Wow, she's very funny.
Speaker 1: And that sketch. By the way, we we quoted all
Speaker 1: the time, you kind of quote we were for the
Speaker 1: rest of the movie. We're kind of like pointing all
Speaker 1: around and you know, like she says, all Garfield as
Speaker 1: she points it out to her friends, it's like all Transfers.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so we get a transition to this whole
Speaker 1: other plot. And this whole other plot is unknown to
Speaker 1: Jack Death and Lena. Jack Death's wife from the future,
Speaker 1: Alice Stillwell, is also still in the past in the
Speaker 1: body of her ancestor, but she's trapped in this place
Speaker 1: run by Richard Lynch's people. It's this evil cult pseudo
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital that is operated by new Whistlers goons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and actually the plot element here is kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, this is pretty creative. Is that
Speaker 1: since you you just kind of you know, quantum lead
Speaker 1: back in time to your ancestor in that the time
Speaker 1: period you're going to. Well, she was sent back to
Speaker 1: eight five, but as it turns out, her ancestor was
Speaker 1: in an in a mental institution at the time, so
Speaker 1: she instantly was was trapped in the institution, and uh,
Speaker 1: and I imagine it was I guess exasperated by her
Speaker 1: claiming they're acting like she was in herself. And then
Speaker 1: she wasn't able to get to her special watch with
Speaker 1: a long second. So she's just been lost this whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's a it's a major bummer. And then we
Speaker 1: meet we meet several characters here, so she's trapped in there.
Speaker 1: We meet Rabbit. Anything else we need to say about Rabbit, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Rabbit. At this point, also we
Speaker 1: meet the villains Martin Beswick and and uh, what's his name,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Combs. They're just sitting around sort of uh, looking
Speaker 1: judgmentally at everyone. Now, obviously this is not a real
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital providing care to its patients. That is basically
Speaker 1: a transfer factory that is being run by Richard Lynch,
Speaker 1: and they're playing TVs of him, creepy talking at the
Speaker 1: patients all night long. You know. Yeah, we we we
Speaker 1: come to learn that basically his scheme here in the
Speaker 1: first film, we learned you can't make a transfer out
Speaker 1: of like a strong wheelled person. In order for Whistler
Speaker 1: or Whistler's brother to use their psychic power to turn
Speaker 1: you into this this zombie like thrall. You have to
Speaker 1: you have to be kind of, uh, you know, of
Speaker 1: a weakened state mentally. And so this whole operation, this
Speaker 1: transfer factory, transfer farm, is about weakening people, uh like,
Speaker 1: mentally with pharmaceuticals, we find out later, so that then
Speaker 1: he can easily control them and easily manipulate them and
Speaker 1: create like a transfer army. Yeah exactly. So Alice stages
Speaker 1: an escape from this facility while the orderly rabbit is
Speaker 1: busy having a midnight rendezvous with another orderly who I
Speaker 1: guess is his girlfriend. They're like hanging out to uh,
Speaker 1: to drink vodka mixed with orange soda just looks pretty gross.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's a drink some people have.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was. I mean, I guess it
Speaker 1: depends on the orange soda. Maybe you've got a nice
Speaker 1: orange soda. Oh yeah, I guess. I don't think it
Speaker 1: looked like one of those, like really neon, you know,
Speaker 1: the traffic cone orange soda the perfect cocktail for drinking
Speaker 1: on the job in a broom closet at an unlicensed
Speaker 1: mental institution run by a cold leader, Right, so they're
Speaker 1: planning I guess, to drink on the job and and
Speaker 1: do no good, but they get interrupted by Alice's breakout,
Speaker 1: and then everybody gives chase uh and then Alice eventually
Speaker 1: she escapes I think actually multiple times, but at some
Speaker 1: point she discovers the time machine the TCL chamber. It's
Speaker 1: in a barn somewhere, but then she has captured and
Speaker 1: taken back to Whistler House, and then we cut back
Speaker 1: to our Our main character is Jack Death McNulty or
Speaker 1: McNulty in his ancestors body, Helen Hunt. They're all hanging
Speaker 1: around in this tent they've put up on the yard
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to receive the time machine, but there's
Speaker 1: a problem because it doesn't actually show up. They just
Speaker 1: get the door of it. So they obviously need to
Speaker 1: connect with Alice because she knows where the rest of
Speaker 1: the time machine is, and so they're standing around and
Speaker 1: then there's also just tons of This movie has a
Speaker 1: lot of scenes of characters explaining to each other things
Speaker 1: that the audience already knows from previous explaining scenes. But
Speaker 1: one of the funny things is in the scene you
Speaker 1: get to see the characters react, so McNulty explains to
Speaker 1: Jack Death and Helen Hunt that his wife is back
Speaker 1: here in the present, and the an incredulous Helen Hunt
Speaker 1: is like, you have a wife. I thought she was
Speaker 1: dead and he's like, no, honey, I can explain she's
Speaker 1: dead in the future, but now she's alive in the past,
Speaker 1: which again was very funny. Um. But they yeah, they
Speaker 1: need her help to figure out where the time machine is,
Speaker 1: so they're trying to look into that. Meanwhile, Jack Death
Speaker 1: goes to investigate the landscaping company who sent trancers to
Speaker 1: HAPs house, and at first they deny knowing anything. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think somebody stole our truck. That
Speaker 1: must have been them, not us. So we meet this
Speaker 1: red haired, burly guy with a beard, and then a
Speaker 1: forklift operator named Ramon who has an awesome outfit. He
Speaker 1: has like this striped sort of like what do you
Speaker 1: call the two third length sleeve T shirt with stripes,
Speaker 1: and it's tucked into his pants with a belt and
Speaker 1: he's got cool boots. Um. And so I love Ramon
Speaker 1: and his outfit and I really wanted him to stick around.
Speaker 1: But alas like most other characters you meet, turns out
Speaker 1: to be a transfer. Yeah. I'd say. One of the
Speaker 1: big flaws in these films, uh, and that didn't really
Speaker 1: take away from me enjoyment is that transfers are not
Speaker 1: really scary. They look kind of kind of dumb, agreed.
Speaker 1: But so the transfers attack him. There's a great forklift
Speaker 1: fight scene where they like pin him to a bunch
Speaker 1: of two by fours with a forklift, but he uses
Speaker 1: his long second watch to sort of get around behind
Speaker 1: them and defeat the transfers. Yeah, gotta work in the
Speaker 1: use of the gadget. But eventually, after all this, they
Speaker 1: find out that the transfer, the Evil Transfer Factory, hospital,
Speaker 1: and the landscaping company I think are actually all run
Speaker 1: by the same organization, which is Richard Lynch's organization, which
Speaker 1: is Green World, a sadistic environment, a list transfer cult.
Speaker 1: And Helen Hunt does online research on her computer. Again
Speaker 1: this is so I don't know about this, but she's
Speaker 1: on her computer reading articles to discover that the director
Speaker 1: of the bad organization, the Green World, is one e
Speaker 1: d Wardo. And this is where they do the doctor
Speaker 1: aculum moment where they put everything together. Um. But also
Speaker 1: she's describing the organization Green World and she's like, they
Speaker 1: sell organic cookies that kind of thing. Yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 1: The more we learn about Wardo's operation, it's it's, it's it's.
Speaker 1: I ended up enjoying this this quite a bit, having
Speaker 1: a nice cult leader madman situation and that VHS tape
Speaker 1: that they keep playing where he's like using this to
Speaker 1: mind warp the thralls, it's it's actually, it's really good.
Speaker 1: It has this uh this loop to it where he's
Speaker 1: saying things like you belong in a green world. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he when he gets interviewed by Barbara Crampton on
Speaker 1: TV later, it's hilarious because he's saying these things that
Speaker 1: are just viously evil, but she's like, oh that's nice.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we bring people to our facility
Speaker 1: and we cleanse them. Yeah. Those those via those scenes
Speaker 1: with the there are two of them from that interview.
Speaker 1: Those are some of my think my favorite parts of
Speaker 1: the film. And I think there's if there any DJs
Speaker 1: out there and you want some cool cryptic samples to
Speaker 1: put into your mix, look to this film and look
Speaker 1: to those scenes where um Wardo is talking of UH
Speaker 1: to the TV host, because there's there's some fun stuff
Speaker 1: in there. There's also a getting ready to fight montage
Speaker 1: not montage, I don't know what you call it. Like
Speaker 1: the scene in the movie where like the hero suits up.
Speaker 1: Often they'll like put on their gun belt or something,
Speaker 1: but in this movie, it's not putting on the gun belt.
Speaker 1: It's it's Jack Death slicking his hair back. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: one of his signature moves. They they they have that
Speaker 1: in the first film to where the first one of
Speaker 1: the first things he does when he inhabits his ancestors
Speaker 1: body is to find a nice uh like tin a
Speaker 1: palm aide and start greasing back. He's a dapper dan man,
Speaker 1: he is, so Jack Death. Eventually, a bunch of stuff happens.
Speaker 1: Jack Teath eventually ends up rescuing his other wife from
Speaker 1: the future from the Green World facility. Uh. It's kind
Speaker 1: of funny. He like rescues her while she's on like
Speaker 1: a gurney and he like just loads the whole thing
Speaker 1: into his corvette while she's still attached to it um
Speaker 1: and then he unstraps her later after like they escape
Speaker 1: from the bad guys. But then there's this hilarious dialogue
Speaker 1: when they talk things through. It's like, are you who
Speaker 1: I think you are? Are you who? I think you are?
Speaker 1: Still well, Alice b And then he goes, welcome to
Speaker 1: old California, Alice, I'm your husband, Jack Death. Yeah, yeah, ah,
Speaker 1: it's so stupid as kind of sweet it is. It's again,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a man boy movie in so many ways,
Speaker 1: but but it's too dumb and good hearted to really offend. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: A bunch of the middle section of the movie is
Speaker 1: concerned with basically two subplots. One is the time wives subplot,
Speaker 1: which is this marriage conflict because Helen Hunt, it seems,
Speaker 1: is not a fan of the fact that Jack Death
Speaker 1: now has two wives at the same time. And Jack
Speaker 1: Death's reaction to the situation, it's just this kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's kind of furrowing his eyebrows, inexpressibly
Speaker 1: frustrated and but at the same time kind of passive
Speaker 1: with this, like what am I supposed to do? Kind
Speaker 1: of attitude. Um, and his future wife keeps kissing him
Speaker 1: and he's clearly into it, and Helen Hunt doesn't like this.
Speaker 1: I think it seems clear that Jack Death would like
Speaker 1: if he could to marry both women. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to think deep and hard
Speaker 1: about this, and like maybe it's you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like Jack Death is unstuck in time, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's you know, it's not so much as like
Speaker 1: she was my wife and you are my wife now,
Speaker 1: it's like you were both my wives and different. I
Speaker 1: don't know, once you start traveling around in time. There's
Speaker 1: a really great scene. This is one of the funny
Speaker 1: ones where Helen Hunt is like forced to deliver absolutely
Speaker 1: absurd dialogue. There's a long one here where she has
Speaker 1: a scene with Jack Death and she's saying, I've had
Speaker 1: to handle a lot being married to someone from the
Speaker 1: future Jack but two wives. And eventually there's also a
Speaker 1: confrontation between them where Alice from the future is telling
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt that, you know, basically she needs to step aside. Uh,
Speaker 1: and she's like, he needs me to defeat Wardo. I'm
Speaker 1: a transfer Hunter. All you bring to the party is
Speaker 1: stuff for Jack to worry about. And so eventually Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt leaves, she's had enough of this time wive's confusion,
Speaker 1: and as she's about to leave, Alice says to her,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lena, but you should have known better than
Speaker 1: to get involved with a man from the future again. No,
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt is great in these scenes. Yeah, she's believable
Speaker 1: in these scenes with all this ridiculous dialogue. She I
Speaker 1: mean she she is a really good actress, and she
Speaker 1: she sells it in a great way. She does not
Speaker 1: do a great job I think of convincingly portraying being
Speaker 1: in love with Jack death, well yeah, maybe not maybe
Speaker 1: not that, but about everything else, don't know. It's a
Speaker 1: tall order there. But then okay, So then there's another thing,
Speaker 1: which is that hap uh. They keep talking about how
Speaker 1: he's getting back on quote the sauce, and so he
Speaker 1: he begins drinking again and as a result of drinking,
Speaker 1: he gets he gets baseball itis. Like he he becomes
Speaker 1: obsessed with playing baseball, and so he starts like he
Speaker 1: buys a bunch of liquor for a bunch of homeless
Speaker 1: guys and starts playing baseball with them, and they have
Speaker 1: to go find him and retrieve him. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous but kind of funny at times. I don't know,
Speaker 1: hard to decide where I stand on it, but they
Speaker 1: go for it. So one of the best parts of
Speaker 1: the movie, as we mentioned, is when when e d
Speaker 1: Wardo goes on the Sadie Brady Show with Barbara Crampton
Speaker 1: and it's like this talk show where she's giving these
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, I so many funny things about it.
Speaker 1: Number one, they're sitting in rolling office chairs with like
Speaker 1: you know, the casters on the bottom. Another thing is
Speaker 1: that Richard, So she asks questions like what do you
Speaker 1: say to allegations that, you know, Green World is kidnapping
Speaker 1: people and turning them into mindless zombies. And he's like,
Speaker 1: many people have had their lives destroyed by pollution. In
Speaker 1: our detox centers, we cleanse and purify these individuals. We
Speaker 1: give them a new mission in life so they can
Speaker 1: help us cleanse and purify the planet. It sounds legit, right,
Speaker 1: But so that's on TV and at some point Jack
Speaker 1: Death is watching that at the house and then it
Speaker 1: cuts away from The Sadie Brady Show to show a
Speaker 1: trailer for Robot Jocks, except it's a movie called Crash
Speaker 1: and Burn. Yeah, I believe this is This is a
Speaker 1: follow up to Robot Jocks that was directed by Charles
Speaker 1: band Um came out in n so he he It's
Speaker 1: not just a subtle trailer it's like a straight up
Speaker 1: here's the trailer. I think we we mentioned this one
Speaker 1: in passing when we talked about Robot Jocks, because this
Speaker 1: is the sequel that has Bill Moseley in it. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I think from here on out, I think maybe
Speaker 1: our our summary should become a little more cursory, because
Speaker 1: so as not to spoil everything. But they they realize,
Speaker 1: of course, that Richard Lynch is growing drugs from the
Speaker 1: future in his greenhouse, and these drugs are called scrub sight.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you spell scurb. I tried s
Speaker 1: K E R B. What do you think sounds good
Speaker 1: to me? These are the drugs he uses to make
Speaker 1: his transfer army. And eventually Helen Hunt, of course, is
Speaker 1: kidnapped by Richard Lynch and taken to green World for
Speaker 1: let's say, in the parlance of Halloween three final processing,
Speaker 1: and they have to stay to rescue mission. Everybody gets
Speaker 1: there to bust out Helen Hunt. Oh, and they also
Speaker 1: end up escaping with Rabbit, who takes their side, but
Speaker 1: who is tragically killed in the getaway. And when Rabbit died,
Speaker 1: I think I cried out. I was like, no, you
Speaker 1: can't do that to Rabbit. I mean, at one level,
Speaker 1: we know he's going to be back in the Full
Speaker 1: Moon universe. But I also like to think that that
Speaker 1: in the future they will realize that Rabbit made the
Speaker 1: ultimate sacrifice to save them, and so Rabbit will There'll
Speaker 1: be just massive statues of Rabbit smiling maniacally. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is all leading to the final battle of course,
Speaker 1: the final showdown. Right. They end up in the barn
Speaker 1: that is housing the time machine that can send the
Speaker 1: physical body back to the future because because Alice from
Speaker 1: the Future knew where that was. There's a big shootout
Speaker 1: final scene there. There's in a kind of fun way.
Speaker 1: I don't think this final battle is all that great,
Speaker 1: except that low Tech saves the day. Like they end
Speaker 1: up sort of defeating the transfers with like a tractor
Speaker 1: and a pitchfork and things like that. Yeah, for for
Speaker 1: a final battle between time cops and a zombie thrall
Speaker 1: creating psychic Mastermind and his guns. It's it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: But then there's sort of time travel to the rescue
Speaker 1: at the end. They use the Da s X Machina
Speaker 1: of time travel. Actually, you know what, to be fair,
Speaker 1: it's not a day six Marchina, because it's set up
Speaker 1: by the rest of the film. It's not like out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. They use the mechanics of time travel to
Speaker 1: resolve the character tension, because what's it going to be?
Speaker 1: You know, Jack Death has has two wives, and he
Speaker 1: kind of wants to be married to both wives. But
Speaker 1: ultimately he decides, no, I'm only going to stay married
Speaker 1: to Helen Hunt, to my wife from the from the past,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to stay here in the past and
Speaker 1: Alice his wife in the future. She's going to instead
Speaker 1: of serum ng back into her original body in the
Speaker 1: future and then getting murdered, she's going to travel into
Speaker 1: the future in the TCL chamber in her body so
Speaker 1: that she can't be murdered, uh, in the way that
Speaker 1: she originally would have been. Though that would seem to
Speaker 1: create a paradox because if she something in this film
Speaker 1: creates a paradox because if she travels back to the
Speaker 1: future in that body, how can that body become her ancestor? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: this is the Transferors franchise. I think is very much
Speaker 1: a paradox free time travel system where again you have
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fine and it's all going to work out.
Speaker 1: I don't think too hard about In fact, I think
Speaker 1: I think he even says something to that effect. At
Speaker 1: one point. He's like, it'll work out fine. Somebody has
Speaker 1: a question about time traveling, is like, it's fine, it works.
Speaker 1: It works. If you're wondering how they eat and breathe
Speaker 1: and other science facts, you know, it's it's transfers. Just relax,
Speaker 1: all right, Well that's transfers to. I myself look forward
Speaker 1: to watching Transfers three. Who knows what'll it'll it'll consist of.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna go deep into the transfer sequels
Speaker 1: and you know what, if they're worthy of discussion, we
Speaker 1: will discuss them. Yeah. Otherwise maybe I'll mention it in passing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see um. Now, you might be
Speaker 1: wondering where can I see transfers and transfers to? For myself, well,
Speaker 1: I will say that the full Moon Features channel is
Speaker 1: a great hook up in this department. You can subscribe
Speaker 1: to this on iPhone, Apple, TV, Android, Roku, Xbox One,
Speaker 1: all the things. Plus it's also a channel on Prime.
Speaker 1: That's how I ended up watching it. Uh, full Moon
Speaker 1: is not a sponsor. I want to be clear on that,
Speaker 1: just telling you how you can potentially watch the movie. Um.
Speaker 1: Transfers too is also highly available for digital renter purchase
Speaker 1: as well as on Blu ray and Joe, Where did
Speaker 1: you watch this? Uh? This gym of the film? Oh?
Speaker 1: I watched this on to be all right, so you
Speaker 1: can go to be and watch it as well. At
Speaker 1: one point, Full Moon put out Transfers the Ultimate Death Collection,
Speaker 1: which was a five disc set that did not include
Speaker 1: Transfer six because I guess it wasn't out yet. But
Speaker 1: one thing, say what you will about Full Moon. They
Speaker 1: get the product out there, they make it available. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're even like remastering stuff. I noticed. So um, Full
Speaker 1: Moon fans are in luck. Okay, if they want me
Speaker 1: on the hook for Transfer seven, I'm gonna need some
Speaker 1: of the cast of Transfers to return. I think Helen
Speaker 1: Hunt should come back, you know why not? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't need to come back at this point, But
Speaker 1: what if they if they got a good enough screenplay together,
Speaker 1: which could happen you know, yeah, it could work. She
Speaker 1: could even be the main transfer. We don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens to her character. Again, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen three yet or the subsequent films. But with
Speaker 1: time travel, anything is possible. You know, whatever you need
Speaker 1: in the Transfers Universe verse can be provided by the
Speaker 1: multiple paradox free time travel systems in place. What if
Speaker 1: one of her descendants becomes a villain in the future
Speaker 1: and then has to has to see them back into
Speaker 1: her body to be a villain in the past. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Think that's that's my pitch. If that
Speaker 1: wasn't already Transfers for death and taxes? Yes, all right, obviously,
Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from everyone out there. Did uh?
Speaker 1: You know? Have you seen the Transfers films? Did you
Speaker 1: watch the first any? I would love to hear from
Speaker 1: someone who saw Transfers one in the theater? What was
Speaker 1: that like? Do you remember seeing these these films in
Speaker 1: your your video rental store? What? What are some death
Speaker 1: related titles you can imagine for sequels and TV sitcom spinoffs? Uh,
Speaker 1: we'd love for you to share all of that with us. Uh.
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