WEBVTT - How The Winklevoss Twins Lost A Billion Dollars

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your host ed Zetron.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a weekly tech show where I walk you

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<v Speaker 2>through the good, the bad, and the stupid of a

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<v Speaker 2>multi trillion dollar industry that's changed and monetized almost every

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<v Speaker 2>part of our lives. So you're likely aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>tale of Sam Bankman Free, the curly haired fraudster who

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<v Speaker 2>conned millions of people out of billions of dollars, crushing

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<v Speaker 2>the cryptocurrency markets in the process. He did so by

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<v Speaker 2>creating a cryptocurrency exchange called ftx, where people could buy

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<v Speaker 2>things like bitcoin and ethereum, except it had one little catch.

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<v Speaker 2>He was stealing the customer funds, keeping only a little

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<v Speaker 2>around at any given time for people to withdraw. This

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<v Speaker 2>meant that when hundreds of thousands of people went to

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<v Speaker 2>withdraw their funds at once, the entire scheme fell apart

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<v Speaker 2>and FTX collapsed. Bankman Fried currently sits in prison awaiting

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<v Speaker 2>sentencing after being convicted and several counts of fraud, including

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<v Speaker 2>wirefraud and wirefraud conspiracy, which is appropriate as him and

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<v Speaker 2>his co conspirators at one point genuinely used their group

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<v Speaker 2>called wirefraud Chat and I am not kidding yet. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't about SBF. There are actually two other villains in

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<v Speaker 2>this story, two villains of the recent crypto crash that

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<v Speaker 2>you might have missed, despite the fact that they're both

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<v Speaker 2>six foot five and lost their customers over a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, two brothers, both

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<v Speaker 2>alike in dignity and appearance, the gay notoriety by suing

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook now known as Metta in the

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<v Speaker 2>early days of the social network back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and four. In the Winklevi's defense, Zuckerberg dig screw them

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<v Speaker 2>as a student at Harvard, where he pretended to work

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<v Speaker 2>on the Winklevoss's social network, Harvard Connect while actually working

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<v Speaker 2>on the earliest version of Facebook, effectively sabotaging the competition

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<v Speaker 2>from within. When Facebook finally launched the identical Moist, Riverboat

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<v Speaker 2>Giants alleged that Zuckerberg had stolen their idea for a

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<v Speaker 2>social network and used their code, resulting in a year's

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<v Speaker 2>long back and forth and a sixty five million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>settlement that the Winklevosses were forced by a court to accept.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty eleven, I think the had Zuckerberg kept his

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<v Speaker 2>filthy little hands to himself, we'd likely never have heard

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<v Speaker 2>of Tyler and Cameron Winkelvoss, and I believe the world

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a better place if they weren't already.

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<v Speaker 2>The Winklevoss twins were now millionaires. In twenty ten, Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Sorkin's Oscar nominated retelling of the Facebook origin story the

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<v Speaker 2>social network would raise their profiles even further, portraying them

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<v Speaker 2>as victims of a calculated, misanthropic opportunist, Mark Zuckerberg. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you could almost feel sorry for them, even if they

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<v Speaker 2>were portrayed by Armie Hammer, the famous cannibalism fan and

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<v Speaker 2>potentially perverted in enjoyer of other things too. But you

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<v Speaker 2>really shouldn't feel sorry for Army Hammer. But you definitely

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't for the Winklevosses either. In the years following their

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<v Speaker 2>legal dust up with Mark Zuckerberg, the Winklevoss twins remained

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<v Speaker 2>active in the tech scene, launching an investment fund in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve that focused on early stage, consumer centric startups.

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<v Speaker 2>A year later, they acquired eleven million dollars of bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 2>and while it's unclear exactly how much they bought. A

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times article about their acquisition, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>featured no verification of that actual purchase, ran on April eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, when bitcoin was around one hundred and fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>dollars apiece, meaning that the Winklevoss brothers likely bought somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the region of ninety thousand bitcoin. Based on today's valuation,

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<v Speaker 2>those holdings would be worth an excess of three point

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<v Speaker 2>eight billion dollars. It was a big, stupid bet, and

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<v Speaker 2>it absolutely paid off. In the same year, they'd pursue

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<v Speaker 2>creating a bitcoin exchange traded fund also known as an ETF,

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that allows you to invest in something, in

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<v Speaker 2>this case bitcoin, much like you would trading a stock,

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<v Speaker 2>without all of the complexity and risk associated with actually

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<v Speaker 2>owning the thing in question, in this case bitcoin. While

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<v Speaker 2>this never materialized, the winklevoss Is cozied up with New

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<v Speaker 2>York's Department of Financial Services and realized they could found

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<v Speaker 2>their own cryptocurrency exchange to rival the other American rival, Coinbased,

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<v Speaker 2>which had launched two years earlier. A cryptocurrency exchange, as

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<v Speaker 2>I've discussed, is a place where you can buy and

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<v Speaker 2>sell your crypto using generally a credit card or a

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<v Speaker 2>debit card. At the time very focused on debit cards,

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<v Speaker 2>though in twenty fifteen they launched Gemini, what would eventually

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<v Speaker 2>become a major and highly respected cryptocurrency exchange that from

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<v Speaker 2>the very beginning tried to swaddle its ugly and often

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<v Speaker 2>fraudulent industry in a blanket of legitimacy, winning approval from

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<v Speaker 2>New York state regulators to provide certain financial services. Gemini

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<v Speaker 2>now sits as one of the top ten largest cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 2>exchanges in the world and one of the few remaining

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<v Speaker 2>American exchange. One might be forgiven for thinking they were trustworthy,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd be wrong. Toward the end of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>the price of cryptocurrencies began to climb rapidly, with bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>climbing from nineteen thousand dollars in December to over forty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in January, cresting over fifty thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>bitcoin by March twenty twenty one. The cryptocurrency industry would

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<v Speaker 2>see more venture investment in the first quarter of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one than it had in the entirety of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>with one hundred and twenty nine crypto and blockchain startups

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<v Speaker 2>receiving two point six billion dollars in the space of

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<v Speaker 2>three months, compared to three hundred and forty one cryptocurrencies

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<v Speaker 2>receiving two point three billion in the entirety of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>As an explanation for those listeners that don't know, venture

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<v Speaker 2>capital investments are generally investing inequacy in the companies. They

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<v Speaker 2>buy a piece of the company for a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money, venture capitalists, of course, taking the risk that

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<v Speaker 2>the company will fall apart. What differs with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these companies is that they will sometimes sell you

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<v Speaker 2>a token. This isn't necessarily relevant for this story. I

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<v Speaker 2>just want you to know the fact that this industry

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<v Speaker 2>at its core is based on the idea of basically

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<v Speaker 2>selling securities, you know, like stocks, but hiding from the

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<v Speaker 2>law and conning people. That's not how the Winklevosses fucked

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<v Speaker 2>people over, though, no. So another thing to realize about

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<v Speaker 2>these crypto companies is that they didn't really do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd sell tokens. They would claim that they would build

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<v Speaker 2>something in the future on something called a roadmap. They

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<v Speaker 2>would sometimes have a white paper which would describe some

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<v Speaker 2>underlying technological stuff. But there are really none of them

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<v Speaker 2>that had a feature or a function. They were mostly

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<v Speaker 2>just nonentities that promise things. But because you could trade

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<v Speaker 2>their tokens, which much like a stock, should have been

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<v Speaker 2>regulated by the government, but were not because they were

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<v Speaker 2>such new financial devices and objects. Well, this whole market

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<v Speaker 2>was growing and growing and growing, and along with it,

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<v Speaker 2>the Winklevosses were getting even richer. Then they got greedy.

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<v Speaker 2>To understand how the Winklevosses bungled a billion dollars, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to give you a little bit of background on

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years of hell in the cryptocurrency industry.

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<v Speaker 2>In February twenty twenty one, Gemini, that's their cryptocurrency exchange

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<v Speaker 2>where you could buy and sell different cryptocurrency began something

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<v Speaker 2>called Earn, their Earn program. It was an interest earning

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<v Speaker 2>program where users could feed their cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>into Gemini through a few clicks and earn interest. And

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<v Speaker 2>you should put quotation marks around those so you would

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<v Speaker 2>get a percentage return on the crypto that you put

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<v Speaker 2>into Gemini Earn. One might be forgiven for believing that

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<v Speaker 2>as a result, they were putting money into some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of secure protected account like a certificate of deposit. They

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<v Speaker 2>really were not, I must be clear, how not like

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<v Speaker 2>a bank. This was Gemini, a New York based trust

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<v Speaker 2>company that promised to security protocols on par with those

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<v Speaker 2>offered by top financial institutions. Claimed to generate this interest

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<v Speaker 2>by working with and I quote institutional borrowers who were

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<v Speaker 2>partners who had been vetted through Gemini's and I quote

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<v Speaker 2>again risk management framework. What's also important to know is

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<v Speaker 2>that none of what you're about to hear was the

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<v Speaker 2>security issue. It was entirely the result of two greedy

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<v Speaker 2>riverboat giants pissing away money because they were greedy little pigs.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a result of trusting this company that was

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<v Speaker 2>a trust company, a New York based trust company, a

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<v Speaker 2>regulated one allegedly, but not regulated for the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to tell you, people trusted them, and as

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<v Speaker 2>a result, customers deposited somewhere between seven hundred million and

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollars of funds into Gemini Earn, believing that

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini was offering something akin to an interest generating savings account.

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<v Speaker 2>After all, Gemini had institutional partners, and that is plural.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they said and they had vetted said partners

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<v Speaker 2>through their collateralization management process, which means, in the case

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<v Speaker 2>of a loan, you collateralize the loan, you give them something.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, you would collateralize the loan for a house

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<v Speaker 2>by giving them a down payment of twenty percent. In

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<v Speaker 2>the case of a loan, you might borrow a certain

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money, but put some money down so they

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<v Speaker 2>have something in the event that you default on the loan.

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<v Speaker 2>In plain English, they were claiming to work with institutional

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<v Speaker 2>investors like banks and hedge funds that would pull Gemini

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<v Speaker 2>earn customers, so people giving them their Bitcoin ethereum and

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<v Speaker 2>all that they would pull those resources to allow them

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<v Speaker 2>to get involved in big trades with better returns than

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<v Speaker 2>users will be able to get on their own. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>classical financial markets have larger loans that have preferential rates

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<v Speaker 2>and get involved in deals that the regular customer would

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to. That's what people thought they were getting.

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<v Speaker 2>The other suggestion was that Gemini had diversified its risk

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<v Speaker 2>and there's actually an archived version of the Gemini earned

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<v Speaker 2>Patron twenty twenty one that said that Gemini worked with

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<v Speaker 2>multiple accredited party borrowers to do so. As a result,

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<v Speaker 2>as a customer, you may believe, well, if one fails,

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<v Speaker 2>that won't be the end of the world. Right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also important explaining that the way that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these companies in crypto made their money was by loaning

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<v Speaker 2>it to others in the form of margin trading, where investors,

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<v Speaker 2>both retail and institutional, borrowed a massive amount of cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 2>in returned for collateral which was usually less than the

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<v Speaker 2>amount they were borrowing. As I mentioned, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>putting a damn payment for a house, except the asset

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<v Speaker 2>is a token on a blockchain like bitcoin. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>as you'll find out, most of the cryptocurrency industry was

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<v Speaker 2>held up by these loans. Now, all of this supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>legal and cool and normal stuff. All this sounded very trustworthy.

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<v Speaker 2>This was, of course not the case. Neither was it

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<v Speaker 2>the case that Gemini had diversified their investments at all,

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<v Speaker 2>or actually really any risk management of any kind. Although

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini had the outward appearance of being a highly diversified,

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<v Speaker 2>sophisticated and well run financial services business, it actually wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They placed the vast majority of their eggs in one

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<v Speaker 2>single basket, and that was a cryptocurrency brokerage called Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis provided a variety of cryptocurrency related services for large

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<v Speaker 2>institutional investors and high net worth individuals. Their money was

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<v Speaker 2>made by offering these institutions and individuals loans leveraged by

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<v Speaker 2>their cryptocurrency, which Genesis would in turn invest, theoretically profiting

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<v Speaker 2>in the process through their access to large deals. As

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<v Speaker 2>I previously mentioned, when I say leverage, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>very simple thing of I give you some money and

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<v Speaker 2>then you lend me money in return, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>usually some sort of interest deal, or there is some

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<v Speaker 2>way where both parties benefit. Sometimes it will be that

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<v Speaker 2>they are borrowing an asset like bitcoin. The price can change,

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<v Speaker 2>then the collateral they give maybe an excess of the

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<v Speaker 2>amount they're borrowing in dollars, but the price of bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>may go down. Thus, as a result, if I loaned

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<v Speaker 2>somebody a billion dollars a bitcoin, but the price of

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<v Speaker 2>bitcoin went down and they gave me, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>one point something billion in return, They're gambling the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that bitcoin will go up from there, and I'm gambling

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<v Speaker 2>that it will go down, and I would have made

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<v Speaker 2>money on that loan. This is a messy stupid assholes

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<v Speaker 2>industry one built on sand and you're about to find

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<v Speaker 2>out how badly it can go. So Genesis was also

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<v Speaker 2>part of a huge empire called the Digital Currency Group,

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<v Speaker 2>a holding company for multiple different parts of the cryptocurrency ecosystem,

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<v Speaker 2>including cryptocurrency news outlet coin Desk, which ironically was a

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<v Speaker 2>large part of the reason that Sam Bankman Freed has

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<v Speaker 2>gone to prison. I could do an entire episode on

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<v Speaker 2>this company, but all you really need to know is

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<v Speaker 2>that they own Genesis, and while Genesis was meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be independent, it absolutely was not. And what's really important

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<v Speaker 2>to know is how stupidly Genesis was run. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>simply bad at investing. They were so bad at investing

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<v Speaker 2>that they somehow managed to invest in not one, but

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<v Speaker 2>two of the entities that brought down the entire cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 2>industry in twenty twenty two. Their first mistake was investing

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<v Speaker 2>two point four billion dollars in Three Arrows Capital, a

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<v Speaker 2>major cryptocurrency hedge fund that ended up being a significant

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<v Speaker 2>scam that also led to the collapse of FTX, the

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<v Speaker 2>other entity that Genesis had trusted with its capital, and

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<v Speaker 2>again that's the subject of another episode. Three Arrows Capital

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<v Speaker 2>was a Singapore based cryptocurrency hedge fund with over a

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<v Speaker 2>decade worth of history. Run by two guys. It started

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<v Speaker 2>life in arbitrage, essentially making money on the differences in

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<v Speaker 2>prices of products in two separate locations, with a niche

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<v Speaker 2>in smaller traditional currencies like the ty bart and the

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<v Speaker 2>Indonesian Rupia. This business model often relied on a healthy

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with legacy banks. We had some success on that front.

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<v Speaker 2>It's relationship soured in twenty seventeen, forcing the company to

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<v Speaker 2>pivot to the wild West of cryptocurrency. It started investing

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<v Speaker 2>its client's money in early stage crypto projects, hoping for

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<v Speaker 2>a big return when their values went up. One of

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<v Speaker 2>these projects was terror Lunar, an algorithmic stable coin which,

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<v Speaker 2>in plain English is meant to be a cocoon on

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<v Speaker 2>the Ethereum blockchain that is always related to the price

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<v Speaker 2>of a dollar, except in this case. You may have

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<v Speaker 2>heard that word algorithmic. You know what The problem with

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<v Speaker 2>algorithms is they need to be perfect in they almost

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<v Speaker 2>never are. But this bit kind of requires some explanation,

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<v Speaker 2>so bear with me. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum, they're

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<v Speaker 2>wildly volatile, which is bad if you want to actually

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<v Speaker 2>transact with them. If a currency could be twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent more or less the next day, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>actually know what to charge for something? And that's where

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<v Speaker 2>stable coins come in. These are cryptocurrencies that aim to

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<v Speaker 2>fix their value to that of a traditional fiat currency

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<v Speaker 2>like the US dollar or the Euro. Most stable coins have,

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<v Speaker 2>or say they have, at least a cash reserve equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>to the amount of tokens in circulation. Terror Lunar differed

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<v Speaker 2>using an algorithm to maintain price parity rather than any reserves.

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<v Speaker 2>The algorithm worked until it suddenly and violently did not.

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<v Speaker 2>On May third, twenty twenty two, a Terror stable coin

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<v Speaker 2>was worth one dollar. A few days later, it was

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<v Speaker 2>worth a fraction of a penny. The Bearre offline theme

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<v Speaker 2>song by Mattasowski will be dropping this Friday, March first,

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<v Speaker 2>on all streaming platforms. You can find the Spotify presab

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<v Speaker 2>link in the episode notes. Terr Luna collapsed in May

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two with the loss of forty five billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in market capitalization, meaning the total value of all

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<v Speaker 2>of the tokens on the blockchain. Three arrows capital's entire

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred million dollar position in Lunar was now effectively worthless.

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<v Speaker 2>This collapse also shaved off and estimated one trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>value from the wider crypto market. Three Arrows Capital, the

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<v Speaker 2>so called hedge fund to quote research firm fs insight,

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<v Speaker 2>was an old fashioned, made off style Ponzi scheme where

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<v Speaker 2>founders Suzo and Carl Davis would use client funds to

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<v Speaker 2>borrow from basically anywhere that would let them in the

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<v Speaker 2>entire crypto ecosystem. And because Three Arrows didn't bother collateralizing

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<v Speaker 2>these loans sufficiently or managing the risk behind them, there

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<v Speaker 2>was very little money to turn to customers. The failure

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<v Speaker 2>of Three Arrows Capital left a multi billion dollar hole

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<v Speaker 2>in Genesis balance sheet that if paypered over with a

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<v Speaker 2>one point one billion dollar promissory note from its holding company,

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<v Speaker 2>Digital Currency Group that was due in twenty thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds like it would be helpful, right. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>is this maneuver never appeared to involve the conveyance of

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<v Speaker 2>any actual money. It pretty much existed only to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that Genesis had another one point one billion dollars on

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<v Speaker 2>the books. To be abundantly clear, no money actually ever

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<v Speaker 2>got sent to anybody. This promissory note only existed to

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<v Speaker 2>mislead creditors about the financial health of Genesis. As you

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<v Speaker 2>can understand, those creditors would probably want to know, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have enough money in case we need our

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<v Speaker 2>money back? Little bit of a spoiler for you, they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>The Terror Lunar and Three Arrows capital fiasco trash the

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<v Speaker 2>value of cryptocurrencies, with Bitcoin dropping from around thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>in mad twenty twenty two to less than twenty grand

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<v Speaker 2>in October. And in November twenty twenty two, ftx collapsed

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of the coin Desk article, again owned

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<v Speaker 2>by DCG, that revealed that most of ftx's assets were

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<v Speaker 2>held in FTT, a token that they owned the majority

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<v Speaker 2>of and could never sell because doing so would crash

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<v Speaker 2>the FTT market, making said asset worthless. Indeed, in cryptocurrency,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big problem. If you have a big

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<v Speaker 2>market and say there's twenty billion dollars of a token

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<v Speaker 2>out there, but one person owns a billion of it,

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<v Speaker 2>they actually can't sell it because in doing so, the

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<v Speaker 2>market would suddenly think, oh, this is worthless because someone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to dump him. The results of this revelation that

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<v Speaker 2>FTX was holding most of the world's FTT and thus

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<v Speaker 2>could never sell it, and indeed that in the process

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<v Speaker 2>made their company pretty much insolvent. This left both retail

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<v Speaker 2>investors and institutional investors out to dry. Now eager ide

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<v Speaker 2>and eager eared listeners may have probably guessed by this

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<v Speaker 2>point that Genesis was inexhoribly entangled in this disaster, quickly

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<v Speaker 2>going from saying that they had no material exposure to

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<v Speaker 2>FDx on November eight, twenty twenty two, to then saying

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<v Speaker 2>they had seven million dollars of exposure on November tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>to saying that they had one hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in exposure a day later, to saying that

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<v Speaker 2>they needed to freeze all customer withdrawals and new loans

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<v Speaker 2>entirely and that they would likely be going bankrupt, which

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<v Speaker 2>they said on November eighteenth, twenty twenty two. They entered

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter eleven bankruptcy. In the early twenty twenty three. The

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<v Speaker 2>Digital Currency Group, which of course owns Genesis, had also

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<v Speaker 2>borrowed five hundred and seventy five million dollars from them,

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<v Speaker 2>which has since led to the hilarious situation of Genesis,

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<v Speaker 2>suing the company that owns it as part of its

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<v Speaker 2>own bankruptcy proceedings. This is the company that the Wingovoss

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<v Speaker 2>twins and Gemini their cryptocurrency exchange, had allegedly run through

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<v Speaker 2>their risk management framework and despite allegedly reviewing the collateralization

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<v Speaker 2>management process that Genesis underwent, which means how they lateralized

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<v Speaker 2>the loans, what money they took in to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the loans did not just fall apart if something

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<v Speaker 2>bad happened. Well, Gemini hadn't diversified their investments at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They put over a billion dollars of customer funds into Genesis,

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<v Speaker 2>money which is most likely gone now. In many respects,

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini was the cryptocurrency equivalent of Green Seal Capital, a

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<v Speaker 2>company that at one point was the highest profile lender

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<v Speaker 2>in the supply chain financing space, touting former British Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister David Cameron as one of its advisors. Like Gemini,

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<v Speaker 2>green Seal Capital pretended to be a diversified business, when

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<v Speaker 2>in reality it borrowed money from large institutional investors to

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<v Speaker 2>lend to a handful of companies. The circumstances behind its

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<v Speaker 2>collapse are slightly more complicated than those of Genesis, but

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<v Speaker 2>not by much. Green Sill's implosion in twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>rippled throughout the industry, contributing to the demise of the

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<v Speaker 2>already troubled credit sueese which were acquired really they were

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<v Speaker 2>rescued by UBS in early twenty twenty three for the

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<v Speaker 2>bargain price of just three point twenty five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Since November twenty twenty two, when Gemini froze, withdrawals from

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini earned the interest bearing account, the Winklevosses and Barry Silbert,

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of Digital Currency Group, who, as I've mentioned, are

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<v Speaker 2>technical owners of Genesis, have engaged in an embarrassing back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth publicly on Twitter, where the Winklevosses have attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to frame themselves as victims of a scam rather than

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<v Speaker 2>bad actors acting badly. If they were remotely competent, they

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<v Speaker 2>could have yanked their customers' funds the ones loaned to

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis from the Gemini ern program. When it was revealed

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<v Speaker 2>that Genesis loaned two point four billion dollars for three

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<v Speaker 2>hourrows capital in July of twenty twenty two, call it

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<v Speaker 2>what you want. Prudent's diligence or just risk management, but

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been the sensible thing to do, unless,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, they didn't believe they'd be able to get

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<v Speaker 2>the money out. On October nineteenth, twenty twenty three, New

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<v Speaker 2>York Attorney General Letitia James filed a massive fraud suit

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<v Speaker 2>against Gemini, Genesis Global Capital, and Digital Currency Group, ring

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<v Speaker 2>a conspiracy to mislead customers and cover up of rebillion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars of losses. The Attorney General's office found that the

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<v Speaker 2>twin brothers named Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss had misled investors

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<v Speaker 2>about the risks associated with Genesis, and that Genesis not

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<v Speaker 2>only failed to disclose its losses, but took steps to

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<v Speaker 2>actively hide them from their clients and the public. The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Attorney General's suit is damning and shows that

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini was well aware of the rotten condition of Genesis

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<v Speaker 2>from the launch of the program in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>With Gemini and I quote the Attorney General suit here

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<v Speaker 2>their internal risk analysis showing that Genesis Capital's loan book

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<v Speaker 2>was undercollateralized, which means that they did not have enough

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<v Speaker 2>money to give back the money that they owed to

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<v Speaker 2>their customers and that only a year into the program,

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<v Speaker 2>Gemini revised its estimate of Genesis Capital's credit rating, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the way in which you measure whether a creditor

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<v Speaker 2>or someone who is borrowed or loaning money whether they're

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<v Speaker 2>worthy of doing so. They provised its testiment of their

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<v Speaker 2>credit rating from an investment grade of BBB to a

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<v Speaker 2>non investment or junk grade of CCC. Don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>get too technical here, just know that's pretty bad. Genesis

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<v Speaker 2>also routinely reported to Gemini from May twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>through November twenty twenty two that he had failed its

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<v Speaker 2>own internal loan book risk assessments, to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>in July twenty twenty two, a Gemini board member compared

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis Capital to Layman Brothers prior to the financial collapse

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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, you're probably thinking, so all the money's

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<v Speaker 2>gone and your raim. Gemini and the Winklevosses decided they

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<v Speaker 2>would terminate the EARN program on September second, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>but only decided to inform Genesis that it would do

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<v Speaker 2>so on October thirteenth, twenty twenty two. It continued to

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<v Speaker 2>send customer funds to Genesis throughout this period until an

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<v Speaker 2>indeterminate time, with all of this information coming from the

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General's suit, and they failed to let customers know

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<v Speaker 2>that the program was fully terminated until January twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>though I should add that they froze with drawals in

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<v Speaker 2>November twenty twenty two. All of these dates are very confusing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the important facts to know is that Gemini knew

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<v Speaker 2>from twenty twenty one that they were sending customer funds

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<v Speaker 2>into an unreliable, unstable, undercollateralized lender for years, and indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>even when they froze their own program when they decided

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<v Speaker 2>that the party had to stop in September twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>they were still taking customer funds and putting it in

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis's hands. They didn't freeze the withdrawal process, the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which customers have withdrawn their funds, until November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, So that's months of throwing customer money into

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet and aggressively flushing it like you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of a basketball. They knew. Cameron and Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>Winklevos knew. They knew what they were doing. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>they were losing customers money, and they didn't care. Two

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<v Speaker 2>American billionaires put a billion dollars of customer funds into

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<v Speaker 2>deeply questionable lenders' hands, then proceeded to obfuscate the risks involved.

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<v Speaker 2>They claimed that Genesis had appropriate risk ratios and healthy

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<v Speaker 2>financial condition as recently as November fourteenth, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>a full month after it had formerly terminated their agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with Genesis, who was the company that they were lending

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<v Speaker 2>this too. This wasn't a casual fling with a risky

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<v Speaker 2>asset class. It was a near billion dollar swindle of

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<v Speaker 2>and I quote Cameron Winklevoss in his abominable letter to

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Silbert, a swindle of a single mother who lent

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<v Speaker 2>her son's education money to them, a father who lent

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<v Speaker 2>his sons by me for money to Gemini earn, a

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<v Speaker 2>husband and a wife who lent their life savings. A

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<v Speaker 2>school teacher who lent his children's college funds. Cameron and

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Winklevoss, as well as Barry Silbert, who runs Digital

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<v Speaker 2>Currency Group and by proxy, Genesis, have defrauded investors at

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<v Speaker 2>a similar scale to Sam Bankman freed. As I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the disgraced and now incarcerated CEO of FTX, They convinced

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<v Speaker 2>customers that they were putting money into an interest generating account,

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<v Speaker 2>tricking them into believing that this was a stable, risk

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<v Speaker 2>managed investment, one that was continually liquid, and they indeed

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<v Speaker 2>advertised that you could withdraw your assets instantly, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to the reality that Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss knowingly funneled

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<v Speaker 2>customer funds into an unstable undercollateralized lender. They intentionally and

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly misled customers, claiming to an Earn investor on June

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, twenty twenty two, that they periodically would conduct

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<v Speaker 2>an analysis of their partner's cash flow, balance sheet, and

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<v Speaker 2>financial statements to ensure that appropriate risk ratios and healthy

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>financial condition of their partners happened, and that they said

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<v Speaker 2>their partners were vetted through a risk management process, heavily

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>implying that said process would protect their customers. And on

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<v Speaker 2>October twentieth, twenty twenty two, less than a month before,

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<v Speaker 2>the winklevoss Is frozen withdrawals from Gemini Earn, leaving their

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<v Speaker 2>customers unable to access their funds or their interest digital

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>currency groups. CEO Barry Silbert, also the owners of Genesis,

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 2>met with Cameron Winklevoss and told him that Gemini was

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Genesis Capital's largest and most important source of capital, and

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't withdraw Gemini earned customers funds without bankrupting

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 2>the firm. Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss not only deceived customers,

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>but turned their assets into a load bearing part of

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Genesis's balance sheet so that they could funnel them into

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars of loans, which would then go into

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>places like Three Arrows Capital and FDx. And the Winklevosses

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>have spent the best part of a year playing the

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 2>victim with pathetic open letters that they post on Twitter

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>to Barry Silbert, demanding the returns of funds that they

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>knew were gone, claiming that Silbert hid in his ivory

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>tower and he should take responsibility and do the right thing,

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>as Cameron and his brother continued to mislead the world

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>about what actually happened. While I'd never refer to the

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Winklevosses as victims, one cannot ignore how thoroughly fraudulent Barry

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Silbert's empire had become. On January twenty fourth, twenty twenty two,

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Genesis Capital loaned one hundred million dollars to DCG, the

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>company that owned it, due on July twenty fourth, twenty

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, only for Digital Currency Group to tell them

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that they and I quote the suit literally did not

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>have the money. Barry Silbert's solution was to and I

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>quote repaper the loan, delaying its due date by ten

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>months to May twenty twenty three, and you'll be surprised

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to hear that they never actually paid it back, along

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>with several other loans that were either unpaid or paid

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>back in shares of another part of Digital Currency Group

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>called Greyscale Bitcoin Trust, another enterprise involved in crypto. According

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to Sam Bankman Freed's testimony during his own criminal fraud

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>and conspiracy trial, Barry Silbert begged him for help, which

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he declined to provide, despite Genesis Capital having loaned FDx

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars in the past, which trustees agreed to

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 2>settle for a puzzling one hundred and seventy five million dollars.

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>And just to be clear, the bankruptcy trustee just was

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>just like, I'll take one hundred and seventy five million.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't need the billion back, and one can really

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>see where they misled Gemini and the Winklevoss brothers. The

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>one point one billion dollar promisory note from Digital Currency

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Group to Genesis, the one that was completely fake and

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>was literally just words on paper, was marked in genesis

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>balance sheet, which Gemini was occasionally shown as one point

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 2>one b billion dollars in receivables from related parties, with

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>no designation of what it was or how it was amortized.

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>In plain English, that just means to any financial analysis

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 2>that would appear as just money in the bank. We

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>are receiving cash from someone one point one billion dollars actually,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's good. That would make you a little bit calmer. However,

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>one cannot ignore the fact that Gemini knew that something

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>was up. In a March fifth, twenty twenty one email

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>to an earn investor, Gemini claimed that Genesis was and

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I quote only lending assets to posited it inter earned

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>to institutional borrowers in an overcollateralized way. Overcollateralization meaning that

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>they were loaning more money than they were borrowing. How

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>does that work? It doesn't. Gemini never sought to correct

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>a coin Desk article from February twenty twenty one that claimed,

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and I quote that the Genesis loans are overcollateralized, the

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>loans in question being the ones where Gemini earned funds.

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>The funds that people put into Gemini earned to earn

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>interest were going It's all just a big pile of

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 2>dog shit. In May twenty twenty one, Gemini's risk management

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>team determined that Genesis Capital was and I quote highly leveraged,

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 2>with an over ninety five percent debt to asset ratio,

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>meaning that most of their money was in debt rather

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>than things they actually had, and that Genesis has low

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>liquidity and that the business is just able to cover

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>its short term obligations. Think of it like living paycheck

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>to paycheck to the tune of billions. By August twenty

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, Gemini Earn had placed three billion dollars of

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>customer assets in Genesis's hands, and this whole situation enrages me.

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the largest and most gratuitous acts

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 2>of negligence in the history of finance, a craven and

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>deliberate swindle that flowed through every vein of the organization.

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Gemini intentionally and repeatedly misled customers into investing in an

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>undercollateralized and risky lender by dressing their fraud in the

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 2>trappings of conventional retail banking. Gemini was well aware and

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>continually reminded of how unstable and disorganized Genesis was and

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>how risky its customer's assets were held, and yet it

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>continued to hype the scheme in the hopes that nothing

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>would ever change. They put billions of dollars into an

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>entity that from the very beginning they knew was rotten.

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>They knew could barely cover their bills. They could have

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>predicted this, and indeed they tried to. They just wanted

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to keep the party going. Cameron and Tyler Winklevos are villains,

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>and while they didn't outright steal customer funds, they intentionally

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and willfully misled customers into investing in Genesis Capital, an

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>unstable and recklessly managed lender. They were fully aware of

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>these dangers, yet they chose to launch a program that

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>their own risk management team believed was riskier than other

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>partners that Gemini had considered loaning that money to, saying

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>in February twenty twenty two, the Genesis Finances were weaker,

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>with a higher leverage ratio and low liquidity ratio, meaning

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>that they were more risky and they had less money

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to give back to customers when they need it. And indeed,

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>they worried that a market downturn would mean that a

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>fifty to sixty percent default rate for Genesis was an

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>appropriate assumption, meaning that more than half of their loans

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>would go under, and that a market downturn would mean

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>that a fifty to sixty percent default rate for Genesis

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>loans was an appropriate assumption, meaning that more than half

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 2>of their loans default in the event that there was

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>a change in the cryptocurrency market. The risk management team

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>repeated this language several times, and it took until May

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two for Cameron Winklevoss to personally ask for

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a one pager on the risk profile of Gemini Earn

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>and Genesis, the company that they had lent at that

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>time of rebillion dollars two and indeed whether Ern adequately

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>compensated Gemini for the risk. In plain English, they were saying,

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in a war, is it really worth it for us

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to risk all of this customer money? And when they

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>said worth it, they mean is it making us enough

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.879
<v Speaker 2>money for the pain in the ass we're creating. I

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 2>hope it wasn't. I hope they burned for this one.

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Having read the entire New York Attorney General suit, I

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 2>cannot find a single instance of concern for the hundreds

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of people the Gemini and Cameron and Tyler

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Winklevoss failed despite Gemini's pledge to uphold and I quote,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the highest level of fiduciary obligations. The Winklevosses represent their

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>position as the trusted stewards of the digital currency industry,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>claiming to live by a policy of asking for permission

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>rather than forgiveness, as they brazenly funneled billions of dollars

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of customer funds into a lender that they clearly didn't trust.

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 2>They ignored the science, they ignored the risk management profiles,

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:25.359
<v Speaker 2>they ignored the worries, and they continually rambled about being

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>licensed and regulated by the New York Department of Financial Services,

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 2>which means absolutely nothing. As Gemini earned deposits were being

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>loaned to Genesis for the terms of Gemini Earns agreement,

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>which in turn took them out of the regulation of

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>the mydfs. The Winklevosses, the so called self regulators of crypto,

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>according to Paul Vinya of The Wall Street Journal, built

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a reputation as the trustworthy party in a lawless industry,

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>only to use it as a means of making twenty

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>two million dollars in agent fees and ten million dollars

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 2>in commission from risking billions of dollars of customer funds

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and in this case Gemini earned customers are likely going

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 2>to lose forty to fifty percent of their holdings if

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>they get anything back at all. A good comparison point

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 2>here is the creditors related to Voyager, which was another

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>cryptoponzi scheme, only got back thirty five percent of their holdings.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Now I have to get into some more annoying financial stuff.

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You'll forgive me. I just want you to know how

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>loathsome these wet river giants are. These boat boys have

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>really buggered this up. In October twenty twenty three, the

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Winklevosses filed something called an adversary proceeding in court against

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Genesis in bankruptcy court to be specific, seeking to recover

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>one point six billion dollars in value for the benefit

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of earned users in an attempt to paper over their

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 2>financial mismanagement. On August fifteenth, twenty twenty two, Gemini accepted

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 2>over thirty point nine million shares of Greyscale Bitcoin Trust,

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 2>a STOG tied to the price of bitcoin, with the

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>minimum investment of fifty thousand dollars and the ticker of GBTC.

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>They accepted this as collateral for customer funds invested in

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Gemini Earn, valued at the time at around fifteen bucks apiece,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>somehow taking on what they call an and I quote

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 2>initial collateral stake over a year after the program started,

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>just to be clear, no collateral when they learned the

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 2>money out. It was worth around four hundred and sixty

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 2>three million dollars at the time, and the Winklevosses for

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>some reason decided to foreclose upon it on November sixteenth,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, selling it when its price was around

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>nine dollars a share. This left them with two hundred

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 2>and eighty four million dollars a little bit over that,

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>or roughly sixty four point one percent of its original value.

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>They didn't have to sell it, and indeed, one might

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>argue they legally shouldn't have because it was collateral from alone,

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 2>in the same way that the bank can't immediately foreclose

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>in your home when you're in it and you've missed

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 2>a few payments. They probably weren't meant to do so,

0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 2>But I continue now. The Winklevosses are claiming that they

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 2>should be considered oded. The difference between two hundred and

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>eighty four million dollars and the amount oede to earns creditors.

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Genesis argues, I should say, the bankruptcy trustee of Genesis,

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 2>which has no interest in anything to do what Genesis

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 2>is doing other than getting money back for the creditors,

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 2>most of which are institutional customers, come last. That trustee

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 2>is arguing that it actually didn't give Gemini two hundred

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and eighty four million dollars in credit. They gave them

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>thirty million, nine hundred and five thousand, seven hundred and

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 2>eighty two shares of GPTC, and that the collateral should

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 2>be valued at the price of GBTC today, which would

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 2>value the stake that they had given them at eight

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred million. This is confusing, but what you need to

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>realize is Gemini earned customers have lost somewhere between eight

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred million and a billion dollars. Had the Winklevosses not

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>sold their shares, they would have got a lot more back.

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 2>In essence, the Winklevosses rushed to sell these shares for

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 2>effectively no reason, potentially flaunting very basic foreclosure rule, and

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Genesis argument is that they shouldn't have to make up

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the difference for their massive fuck up. Interestingly, Gemini was

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>also meant to receive another thirty one million shares of

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>GPTC on November tenth, twenty twenty two, and Genesis just

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't send it. And guess what the bankruptcy court isn't

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>going to help with that. Let's be clear, both of

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.879
<v Speaker 2>these parties are scum, and in a just society, they'd

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>rotten the depths of the worst jails under the terms

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>of genesis reorganization plan. Under bankruptcy, Gemini earn customers those people,

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>regular people, the people's college funds, the bar mits for funds,

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the single mothers who had lost their money. They'd be

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>considered Class four unsecured creditors getting paid out behind Genesis

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>institutional creditors, secured creditors and priority claims, which is why

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Genesis had to pay one hundred and seventy five million

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>dollars to fdx's bankruptcy. A single mothers waited to retrieve

0:39:54.800 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 2>their son's college funds. Yet there may be hope that

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Gemini Earned customers will be made whole. Mere hours after

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 2>the original broadcast of this podcast, the New York State

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Department of Financial Services announced that Gemini had committed to

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>return at least one point one billion dollars to EARNS customers,

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 2>though only after the resolution of Genesis Global Capital's bankruptcy.

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Assuming that the bankruptcy courts approved the settlement, Gemini Earned

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>customers can, according to Gemini, expect to receive approximately ninety

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 2>seven percent of their assets in kind within two months

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>of February twenty eight, twenty twenty four, and the rest

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>about ten months after that. Unlike the proposed FTX settlement,

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>customers will also receive the actual crypto they committed. In

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the case of FTX, they're getting the dollar equivalent on

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the day that FTX went bankrupt, which means they're getting

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>much less than they'd make if they were selling their

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 2>crypto today. This means that these customers might actually make

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>money because on the day that Gemini Earned shut down,

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>bitcoin was somewhere between eleven and fifteen thousand dollars. This

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>means that they're actually going to make a profit somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty good. It's rare to find good news here,

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<v Speaker 2>and don't get too excited yet, though all of this

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<v Speaker 2>is dependent on the tedious pace of bankruptcy courts that

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<v Speaker 2>in this case especially, we've kind of considered Gemini Earns

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<v Speaker 2>customers second class citizens. This landmark settlement is being spun

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<v Speaker 2>by the Winkelvoss brothers as and I quote a successful

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<v Speaker 2>resolution of Gemini Earn that was reached and I quote

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<v Speaker 2>again with Genesis and other creditors, one in which these

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<v Speaker 2>identical River twins are considered. And I can't believe they're

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<v Speaker 2>willing to say this responsible stewards of the crypto ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>This couldn't be further from the truth. Superintendent Adrian Harris

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<v Speaker 2>of New York State's Department of Financial Services said in

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<v Speaker 2>a statement that Gemini had failed to conduct due diligence

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>on an unregulated third party later accused of massive fraud,

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 2>harming EARNED customers who were suddenly unable to access their assets.

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 2>The nydfs IS investigation revealed and I quote that Gemini

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in unsafe and unsound practices that ultimately threatened the

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<v Speaker 2>financial health of the company, and they collected hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars in fees from Gemini customers that could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone to Gemini, substantially weakening Gemini's financial condition. The

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<v Speaker 2>Winklevosses are not responsible stuarts. They're towering con artists that

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<v Speaker 2>got core and they were forced to pay up only

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 2>because they ran a foul of one of the few

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>responsible regulators left in America. While I'm hopeful to earn

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 2>customer as a main whole, I also fear that the

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<v Speaker 2>bankruptcy courts may drag their feet, and even if they don't,

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of just want more here. The Winklevosses aren't even

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<v Speaker 2>the ones paying the fines. Their company is. Gemini will

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>pay the thirty seven million dollar fine from the NYDFS,

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think they're going to pay the one point

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>one billion dollars in cryptocurrency too. What's weird is I

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 2>can find no evidence about where that money is coming from.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm also worried that Genesis, as they have multiple times,

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 2>will kind of stone wall this deal. They want to

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>get out of this. They recently settled with the SEC

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>for twenty one million dollars, so they have a reason

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 2>to do well with the US government. But I fear

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>for this. All of this is condentent on bankruptcy. Courts

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 2>don't really care regardless of this landmark settlement. It is great,

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>it's great that the regulator has got the customer's money back,

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 2>but my blood is still boiling. Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>will continue to run Gemini, which is a multi billion

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>dollar financial services company, despite the fact that it's very

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>clear that they really didn't do any due diligence, and

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 2>that due diligence which they did they completely ignored. They

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.720
<v Speaker 2>knew that this was a bad deal. They sent tens

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 2>hundreds over a billion dollars to a company that they

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>knew as early as twenty twenty one was bordering on insolvent.

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.919
<v Speaker 2>Yet they're still allowed to walk around as free men

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and stewards of the financial industry. It's kind of taken

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the piss and even though the New York Attorney General's

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>sue is still out there, it's not over yet, and

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>they're still seeking three billion dollars in restitution. They're doing

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>so from Gemini and digital currency group, the Winklevosses are

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 2>still left unscathed. These are craven fraudsters that continued again

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 2>and again to operate without oversight or restrain, and now

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>they're going to profit handsomely off of an industry built

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>on the back of manipulating and conning people. And despite

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 2>how good this settlement is, these guys are still billionaire

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 2>boat boys. They're unscathed. They robbed their own company, they

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>robbed their customers, They laughed in our faces. And at

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>this time in society, when tens of thousands of people

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>are being laid off, when people can't get houses, when

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the regular person that cannot seek wealth, people that go

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 2>out and fuck over customers again and again and again

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>in broad daylight, lying to us, lying to you and

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>me in a way that is so craven, nothing happens

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>to them. Oh god, they got slightly embarrassed. They can't

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 2>be kicked out of Gemini. They own the bloody thing.

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>The crypto industry isn't attacking them, despite the fact that

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>two of your so called stewards are fucking con artists.

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who's listening to this, who's a big fan of crypto,

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 2>who believes that these guys are good people, or indeed

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 2>that really there are any good people in this industry.

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Should read the New York Attorney General suit. They should

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 2>read everything that the Winklevosses did. They should listen to

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 2>this podcast again, perhaps, and recount the many ways, the

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 2>manifold ways in which these two giant freaks shat all

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.799
<v Speaker 2>over their customers, lied to them, lied to regulators, lied

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>to their own company, and sat there with their thumbs up,

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>their asses not digging into their own personal piggybanks, making

0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the dumbest calls again and again, and nothing has happened

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>to them. I pray Letitia James and then New York

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Attorney General's Office finds a way to exile these two

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>bastards from this goddamn financial services industry. But I'm gonna

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:25.719
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