Speaker 1: You're doing me right. I might have shot the same.
Speaker 1: Another complimentary wannest there is my fellow Americans, and upside
Speaker 1: down upside down pineapples. Greetings from the island of Nantucket,
Speaker 1: off the coast of Massachusetts, not too far from Martha's Vineyard.
Speaker 1: I think like the more conservative people come to Nantucket
Speaker 1: and the liberal people go to Martha's Vineyard. But either way,
Speaker 1: these are very blessed people. It's a gorgeous place to
Speaker 1: be a lot of I was rainy and cold yesterday
Speaker 1: and now sunny and beautiful on the island of Nantucket
Speaker 1: here on this Monday. So much going on. I have
Speaker 1: run into so many people who all they want to
Speaker 1: talk about is Amy Griffin. They stopped me in the streets,
Speaker 1: they pulled me up, they pull up to me at tables. Billy,
Speaker 1: this is an amazing story. I had lunch with a
Speaker 1: and her husband who the woman went to the University
Speaker 1: of Virginia where Amy Griffin went to school. And she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my God, like everybody's, you know, wondering where this
Speaker 1: is going. I said, does any of your friends, your
Speaker 1: UVA people do they believe Amy? Long weird pauses every
Speaker 1: time that comes up long awkward pauses. The truth is
Speaker 1: and by the way I understand through you know, you
Speaker 1: know people connected that she's none too happy with me,
Speaker 1: and because of mutual people that we know, we're getting
Speaker 1: blown up on the phone, like what's going on? Stop
Speaker 1: this hunt? Whatever it is, it's not a hunt. Let
Speaker 1: me just say this right now again. I have nothing
Speaker 1: against Amy Griffin. I don't know Amy Griffin. This has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Amy Griffin herself, and come up
Speaker 1: in sir punishment for her. Certainly would never call for
Speaker 1: the cancelation of anyone, you know, short of a violent
Speaker 1: rapist or a murderer. You know what I mean. This
Speaker 1: is about the truth. It's about the truth for three
Speaker 1: in this case, men whose lives have been upended without
Speaker 1: due process, without any sort of corroboration. It has to
Speaker 1: do with you know, actual survivors and their stories being
Speaker 1: heard and paid attention to. I'm related to one. I've
Speaker 1: had a long history of being in the support role
Speaker 1: for someone. And the future of psychedelic assisted therapy. I
Speaker 1: believe it has the capability to heal the world of
Speaker 1: its deepest, darkest, most evil secrets. So I really believe
Speaker 1: in its potential and anything that derails it or miscommunicates
Speaker 1: on its behalf. I don't take kindly to so anyway.
Speaker 1: It's peaked my curiosity. There are so many holes, and
Speaker 1: we will get into it today. It's not the only
Speaker 1: thing that we're going to talk about, because I understand
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people who have reached
Speaker 1: out like, hey, I don't know anything about this, you know,
Speaker 1: can you do other stuff too? We love being part
Speaker 1: of the community. Gotcha. Everything will be accomplished, but you
Speaker 1: know there is fallout from all of this. I'm going
Speaker 1: to explain. Was that from English Dick right up there
Speaker 1: put a comment I believe up that said explain right,
Speaker 1: explain a little bit about what the situation is, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're going to do here. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do a little reset. So if there are
Speaker 1: those who are on the cusp who don't quite understand
Speaker 1: the significance, you know, of the Amy Griffin story, I'm
Speaker 1: going to explain it to you. And if you're sort
Speaker 1: of get it a little bit, this will push you
Speaker 1: all the way in so you're with us, and if
Speaker 1: you know nothing, it'll certainly help and maybe pique your interest.
Speaker 1: And by golly if it doesn't work here and just
Speaker 1: wait for us to change topics. So look, from what
Speaker 1: I understand, her friends, her closest friends, a lot of
Speaker 1: the glitterati, the A list, friends that she has accumulated
Speaker 1: and acquired. They are holding her hands and telling her
Speaker 1: we believe you, girl, No, we are with you, girl.
Speaker 1: But of course they are not saying this publicly. Amy,
Speaker 1: I share that with you. I've had people in my
Speaker 1: life ten years ago. You're the best. We love you
Speaker 1: the world, everyone loves you, and publicly though I just
Speaker 1: can't right now. It's you know, that's just the way
Speaker 1: it works. But she is upset. She's blowing up everybody
Speaker 1: around her to shut me up and get the story
Speaker 1: off the page. And again, like I said, nobody believes her.
Speaker 1: Her lawyers are attacking the New York Times right now.
Speaker 1: They say, there's you know, provable play. The New York
Speaker 1: Times engaged in foul play. They basically groomed a woman
Speaker 1: named Joe Lene and turned her into a victim. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I've questioned, well, why not a
Speaker 1: lawsuit against the New York Times. That's reprehensible. And the
Speaker 1: word I get back is very much on the table.
Speaker 1: I would think it's, you know, the primary thing on
Speaker 1: the table. Anyway, I gather, like I said, it's a
Speaker 1: bit of a boutique story. At this point, those who
Speaker 1: are into it, who are consumed by it, get it.
Speaker 1: There are significant amount of people who don't quite get
Speaker 1: it yet. They're totally confused or they're a little confused.
Speaker 1: So let me just reset the table now and then
Speaker 1: we'll get into some crazy shit that happened over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Amy Griffin is the wife of billionaire
Speaker 1: investor John Griffin. They live in New York City. They
Speaker 1: have a beautiful home in the Hamptons. They have a
Speaker 1: place in New Zealand. He is, you know, a tiger cub.
Speaker 1: He was one of the great original tiger cubs, which
Speaker 1: means trained under a guy named Julian Robertson, who made
Speaker 1: some of these unbelievably successful hedge fund managers, and this
Speaker 1: guy's one of them. John Griffin is incredibly rich. And
Speaker 1: when he wrapped up his fund because he made so
Speaker 1: much money in twenty seventeen, he put some money into
Speaker 1: Amy's and let Amy go forward with hers firm called
Speaker 1: G nine. And that's where Amy got to you know,
Speaker 1: do big things with big money, seating companies like bumble Goop, spanks,
Speaker 1: you know, female founders. This won Amy over to the
Speaker 1: A List crowd, especially those who got the investments. They
Speaker 1: got weak in the knees for Amy's pull for her capital,
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough. She was big with the Hollywood women's
Speaker 1: empowerment luncheon crowd, I call him. The general public didn't
Speaker 1: know her, but you know at the l magazine Women
Speaker 1: who make a Difference lunch, She's a keynote speaker. She's
Speaker 1: a massive sponsor of many tables. You know, her followers
Speaker 1: kind of you know, resembled resembled the A List. You
Speaker 1: could see a lot of people on there that you
Speaker 1: know and starr in your favorite series. But you can't
Speaker 1: really belong to that crowd if all you do is
Speaker 1: invest your husband's overwhelming wealth in the celebrity crowds ventures, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta be seen too. You got to have your
Speaker 1: own platform. She published a memoir called The Tell Okay,
Speaker 1: a book in March twenty twenty five, and in the book,
Speaker 1: Amy writes that after undergoing MDMA assisted therapy, which is ecstasy,
Speaker 1: she recovered memories of being repeatedly graphically graped between the
Speaker 1: ages of twelve and sixteen by a male teacher at
Speaker 1: her middle school in Amarillo, Texas. She wrote under the
Speaker 1: premise that these memories had been buried for decades and
Speaker 1: only resurfaced, only were resurfaced because of this therapy, remembering
Speaker 1: that MDMA assisted therapy is not legal outside of clinical
Speaker 1: trials in America. At this point, her lawyers adjusted her
Speaker 1: story to indicate that the memories were recovered just before
Speaker 1: the medicine had kicked in. Okay, gotcha, So readers taking
Speaker 1: her at her word, the book became a best seller.
Speaker 1: It was number one hundred and twelve on Oprah's Book Club.
Speaker 1: Oprah embraced it. It was widely praised by others in
Speaker 1: the glitterati outside of Oprah. All the yours braves and
Speaker 1: you're empowering women everywheres came rolling in, and boy, that
Speaker 1: had to feel good. Then the story took an unexpected
Speaker 1: turn in September of twenty twenty five, So, six months
Speaker 1: after the book came out, the New York Times, who
Speaker 1: had been working on an investigation into it. The New
Speaker 1: York Times, was asked to review the book to make
Speaker 1: a book review to sort of spotlight the book. But
Speaker 1: the writers there were kind of scratching their heads, saying
Speaker 1: things don't add up. They had another plan, and that
Speaker 1: was to launch an investigation into the facts of the case,
Speaker 1: which no one else took the time to do so.
Speaker 1: In September of twenty twenty five, The Times published a
Speaker 1: lengthy investigation questioning all kinds of aspects of Amy's memoir.
Speaker 1: The article raised the possibility that significant portions of Amy's
Speaker 1: account may overlap with the experiences of another woman from Mammarillo,
Speaker 1: specifically another woman from her eighth grade class or all
Speaker 1: middle school class at the same school. That reporting has
Speaker 1: changed the public conversation around the book, shifting from widespread
Speaker 1: acclaim and praise to scrutiny and now intense scrutiny. It
Speaker 1: also led to lawsuits. The other woman from Amarillo is
Speaker 1: named Joline Altom, and she's a classmate of Amy's from
Speaker 1: middle school. She filed suit. She alleges that Amy and
Speaker 1: her ghostwriter Sam Lansky appropriated central elements of her life
Speaker 1: story and incorporated them into the tell. A judge literally
Speaker 1: in an hour from now is about to decide if
Speaker 1: the merits of Joline's case in California against the billionaires
Speaker 1: Amy Griffin are strong enough to go to trial, she
Speaker 1: has to show a limited, minimal amount of merit. Amy
Speaker 1: has categorically denied those allegations and has filed counterclaims of
Speaker 1: her own. Amy's got a small mountain of problems right now.
Speaker 1: One nobody really vetted her story. Her, not her lawyers,
Speaker 1: not the publisher, not the sycophantic little ghost writer who
Speaker 1: seems desperate to come to Amy's house now that she
Speaker 1: is hosting the Maajang party. He might have gotten a
Speaker 1: little swept up. Amy called out her alleged accuser by
Speaker 1: name in her book proposal to the publishing companies. That
Speaker 1: spread quickly, and as The New York Times writers were
Speaker 1: traveling around Amarilla, which is in a very big town
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand people, but as far as cities go,
Speaker 1: traveling around knocking on doors, asking about people, and asking
Speaker 1: about this teacher whose name was revealed in the book proposal.
Speaker 1: It starts to spread that this teacher is, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: he could be a total violent rapist living amongst us.
Speaker 1: That spreads quickly in a small ish town, and his
Speaker 1: reputation is upside down, although nothing has been done. The
Speaker 1: police have not pursued him, there is no investigation into him,
Speaker 1: there is no corroboration, so it's just out there like that.
Speaker 1: He has had no other accusations against him in thirty
Speaker 1: plus years living in the community of Amarillo. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest points of confusion involves a character in the
Speaker 1: book named Claudia. By the way, I told you I'd
Speaker 1: reached out and discovered the real Claudia. I just reached
Speaker 1: out again about an hour ago, so I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what's going on there. But anyway, this woman in the
Speaker 1: book named Claudia not a close friend of Amy's. Amy's
Speaker 1: Amy was popular, athletic, pretty, she was rich. Claudia is
Speaker 1: portrayed in the book is Vulnerable Quiet. Amy recalls lending
Speaker 1: Claudia for a Cotillion dance, and she writes, the joy
Speaker 1: I felt to be able to offer Claudia that dress
Speaker 1: was boundless. But Claudia was someone to whom Amy felt
Speaker 1: eerily connected, right, like someone she needed to protect, and
Speaker 1: that they shared a secret. She kept writing, this woman
Speaker 1: was always on my mind, Claudia, Claudia, I know we
Speaker 1: are connected somehow. I know we share a secret and
Speaker 1: of course, underneath it all, it's a dark, dirty, you know,
Speaker 1: dark secret, one that she leads the reader to believe
Speaker 1: is connected in these violent grapes and sexual assaults. From childhood.
Speaker 1: Amy writes that she distinctly remembered seeing the alleged violent
Speaker 1: pedophile assailant of a middle school teacher, mister Mason she
Speaker 1: calls him in the book. She alleges remembering seeing mister
Speaker 1: Mason's hand on Claudia's shoulder in a school hallway. She
Speaker 1: says that image stayed with her for decades and later
Speaker 1: took on a significance after recovering her memories through MDMA
Speaker 1: assistant therapy. In my memory, the dress and Claudia and
Speaker 1: mister Mason were all linked in some mysterious way I
Speaker 1: could not explain. She says. What we're learning is that
Speaker 1: Amy's having a hard time explaining anything that requires corroboration.
Speaker 1: Several people assumed that Claudia was Joline Altem because of
Speaker 1: the way she was described in the book to a
Speaker 1: t It was Joline Altom to many, and those people
Speaker 1: have written legal testimonies declarations to that effect on Joline's
Speaker 1: behalf filed as part of her Jane Doe versus Amy
Speaker 1: Griffin lawsuit that is in California and before the desk
Speaker 1: this morning today, so it's a big day. Amy Griffin
Speaker 1: says what Joline alledges is not true. Amy's position is
Speaker 1: that Claudia is an entirely different person and that the
Speaker 1: character Claudia in the tell is not based on Joline
Speaker 1: Altem at all. But Amy cannot produce the woman she
Speaker 1: says is in fact Claudia because that woman wants to
Speaker 1: retain her privacy. I have found that woman because of
Speaker 1: a viewer of hot Mics who led me to it.
Speaker 1: Was basically someone who said, oh my gosh, this person
Speaker 1: got a phone call from Amy Griffin, can you believe it?
Speaker 1: And told me she got a phone call from Amy Griffin,
Speaker 1: and so it corroborated out that way. I contacted the
Speaker 1: woman and it's definitely the woman Amy is claiming as Claudia.
Speaker 1: But I took it from there. I tracked her down.
Speaker 1: I connected whether it appears keeping her real name anonymous,
Speaker 1: he's not, you know, is not only beneficial to her privacy,
Speaker 1: but also to Amy's untethering story. Here I discovered that,
Speaker 1: you know, this woman was never in Amy's class. She went,
Speaker 1: you know, the eighth grade class that she talks about.
Speaker 1: This woman went to a different school entirely. And just
Speaker 1: over the weekend, I was sent by our hot Mike's
Speaker 1: viewer and anonymous reporter a yearbook of a different school
Speaker 1: called Crockett Middle School, and and and there is, uh,
Speaker 1: there is this person so very interesting anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: I texted this morning. I've tried to to get her
Speaker 1: to speak. I wrote a very long text. I said, Hi, Blank,
Speaker 1: it's Billy Bush again. I've shared your name with nobody.
Speaker 1: Just desperate to clear up a few things, asking again
Speaker 1: for a private, off the record conversation. You attended Crockett,
Speaker 1: It was it Austin? But was it always that school?
Speaker 1: Do you recall a Joline Altam? Do you remember Joline?
Speaker 1: What do you what's your take on Amy's Amy Griffin's
Speaker 1: story altogether? Are these hijacked memories who are based on
Speaker 1: maybe others still silent recollections. Is any part of it
Speaker 1: possibly true? This is all on background. If the teacher
Speaker 1: and I use his real name, if his life deserves
Speaker 1: to be destroyed, well that is good. But right now
Speaker 1: he and two other men have had their lives upended
Speaker 1: by uncorroborated allegations made in either the proposal or the book. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm personally motivated here. I am deeply related to a
Speaker 1: survivor who was young when something happened. Psychedelic assisted therapy
Speaker 1: has saved her life. Anyway, I thought I would try
Speaker 1: one more time, please forgive me if this is an invasion,
Speaker 1: And then I got the bubbles back, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I was like, within ten seconds, the bubbles
Speaker 1: started appearing on my phone like she was responding, and
Speaker 1: the bubbles were up for like seriously, like eight minutes.
Speaker 1: I kept checking to see if the message had gone through,
Speaker 1: and it was still bubbling, still bubbling, like typing, typing, thinking, thinking, typing,
Speaker 1: and then about eight minutes later, no comment. So she's
Speaker 1: you know, to which I kind of riff a little
Speaker 1: bit here and wonder has there been an NDA. I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised. This is not a fact, not
Speaker 1: factually reporting, but I think that there. I would not
Speaker 1: be surprised if some non disclosure agreements have gone out too.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the teacher, the teacher who you know,
Speaker 1: Amy alleges did these violent things to her for four
Speaker 1: years from the ages of twelve to sixteen. If somehow
Speaker 1: that guy signed an NDA, it's a very very lucrative one,
Speaker 1: very very lucrative one. It would be confusing. Again, then
Speaker 1: there's the volleyball coach who was friends with this alleged
Speaker 1: assailant of a teacher. I would not be surprised if
Speaker 1: the volleyball coach had signed one. She's I know her number.
Speaker 1: I'm going to find out. But maybe maybe there's an
Speaker 1: NDA here. There's a lot of money. Amy Griffin has
Speaker 1: an enorm this amount of money, so you know, sending
Speaker 1: five million or two million or whatever it is, which
Speaker 1: is life changing money for most people, I don't think
Speaker 1: would be off the table. That said, there's a judge
Speaker 1: deciding today, you know, if there's enough merit for Jane
Speaker 1: Doe versus Amy Griffin and Penguin Random House and Sam
Speaker 1: Lansky that trial, if there's enough evidence, then am I
Speaker 1: wrong that we have a lawyer in the chat section here?
Speaker 1: But doesn't the NDA get ripped up and those don't
Speaker 1: matter under subpoena? I think so. So we'll see what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen today. I assume that this case is going
Speaker 1: to go forward today. The controversy is no longer simply
Speaker 1: about whether Amy Griffin was violently assaulted over four years
Speaker 1: in school by this teacher. It's become a broader dispute
Speaker 1: over memory recovered memories through psychedelic therapy, the accuracy of
Speaker 1: the memoir, journalistic reporting or lack of journalistic code in reporting,
Speaker 1: and whether the tell represents you know, Amy Griffin's own
Speaker 1: experiences or the experiences of someone else entirely, or possibly
Speaker 1: the combination of the two. Those questions are now being
Speaker 1: fought in multiple lawsuits, with both sides accusing the other
Speaker 1: of serious wrongdoing. Judge Richard Fruin is the judge. He's
Speaker 1: eighty seven years old in Los Angeles Superior Court. He
Speaker 1: will decide if infliction of emotional distress is on the
Speaker 1: table invasion of privacy. I believe one hundred percent this
Speaker 1: case should go forward. Like we said, multiple lives have
Speaker 1: been ruined based on allegations of the former popular, attractive,
Speaker 1: wealthy girl in town. She was the self ascribed leader
Speaker 1: of the class who assumed, presumably because you know who
Speaker 1: she is now, that people would read her words and
Speaker 1: accept them just as fact. It wouldn't have to prove
Speaker 1: anything except you used real names. In places you never
Speaker 1: should have, and it has upended people's lives. She thought
Speaker 1: that there would be sympathy and support only, and you
Speaker 1: got that from Oprah and everyone else until Martha Stewart
Speaker 1: started asking questions, who, by the way, is her neighbor
Speaker 1: across the street on Lily Pond Road. I mean just yeah,
Speaker 1: And then you know, just every reader also is even
Speaker 1: your friends are reading it going something's not adding up.
Speaker 1: Not everything's adding up. Though about eighty percent of people
Speaker 1: in Amarillo, according to a local source, believe that you know,
Speaker 1: Amy's kind of just misremembering her flat out line. We'll
Speaker 1: see where this all goes. Another woman has been featured
Speaker 1: as a vulnerable former classmate from a disadvantaged background with
Speaker 1: a wounded soul, a kindred spirit to Amy, you know,
Speaker 1: a girl who needed saving, A woman who Amy suspected
Speaker 1: was being said like her by the same teacher so
Speaker 1: central to Amy's courageous story, this Claudia. That woman has
Speaker 1: been identified like I said by me. She's horrified. She
Speaker 1: wants nothing to do with this former classmate again, like
Speaker 1: she didn't even go to the school. We're trying to
Speaker 1: find out if she went to the school. In a
Speaker 1: different year and maybe transferred out. She's still anonymous to
Speaker 1: you because as much as I'd like to present her
Speaker 1: as evidence, you know, I promise to protect her privacy
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that like so many before
Speaker 1: her and in recent history. Instead of presenting evidence, Amy's
Speaker 1: counter suing in a federal court, which could bankrupt her
Speaker 1: accuser in the California case Jane Doe versus Amy, This
Speaker 1: could bankrupt Joline outem Obviously, Joline, who doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of money, hasn't excellent lawyer working on contingency defending
Speaker 1: herself in a federal case. She'd have to fund that
Speaker 1: legal bill herself. There is no contingency for defendants. For
Speaker 1: the lawyer of defendants. The lawyer representing Joe Lein, though,
Speaker 1: who likes several others from her life on record in
Speaker 1: this lawsuit, claims there could not be any other Claudia.
Speaker 1: So if you have any questions, you know, fire them
Speaker 1: in here. But that's supposed to get you updated again.
Speaker 1: There's a judge right now who's going to decide if
Speaker 1: Jane Doe versus Amy Griffin, where Amy's the defendant, will
Speaker 1: go forward. And that's today, and it could be a
Speaker 1: two day hearing, the only thing that Amy maintains is
Speaker 1: one thing. According to I think they're trying to say,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of noise out there, but they're going
Speaker 1: to defend Amy on one thing that she did not
Speaker 1: steal joe Lene's story. That means they're going out of
Speaker 1: their way to say, we're not saying something didn't happen
Speaker 1: to Jolene. I was just saying Amy didn't steal her story.
Speaker 1: Her lawyers rely heavily for that. On the August twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one date where they say Amy was interviewed by
Speaker 1: the Amarillo Police Department department Sergeant Gordon Eatley, remember, and
Speaker 1: a lawyer, a local lawyer for Amy before this interview
Speaker 1: said hey, don't bring up MDMA and don't mention the
Speaker 1: last time you were sayed or graped was at sixteen
Speaker 1: years old. That's too late. Leave out the sixteen. Keep
Speaker 1: it at twelve thirteen, and don't mention MDMA. So she
Speaker 1: did this interview with this guy, the sergeant, and left
Speaker 1: out those details, later adding in the last time was sixteen,
Speaker 1: but Amy's so her lawyers are heavily relying on that piece.
Speaker 1: Amy's team says, how could dominic Price or whoever was
Speaker 1: you know. Joline alleges called her under that name to
Speaker 1: glean private assault details from her life on the phone
Speaker 1: in April twenty twenty two that were already on the
Speaker 1: record with police in August twenty twenty one. Amy's defense
Speaker 1: is saying it doesn't add up. She told a cop
Speaker 1: what happened to her in August twenty twenty one, so
Speaker 1: anything she told you know that Joline shared it was
Speaker 1: already out there with the Amarillo police. So she couldn't
Speaker 1: have stolen Joleane's memories because the short Joline hadn't shared
Speaker 1: her memories until April of twenty twenty two, allegedly, when
Speaker 1: some phony called up and said, my name is Dominic Price,
Speaker 1: I'm a talent agent. I'd like to maybe make a
Speaker 1: story about your life and get all of her details.
Speaker 1: One would have to assume that Amy didn't know them
Speaker 1: for this to work. Would have to assume that Amy
Speaker 1: didn't know these details all her life. William Jennings Bryan
Speaker 1: is one of the people who had tested in Joline's
Speaker 1: on her behalf. He was the boy that took her
Speaker 1: to the dance in eighth grade. Now a man, he
Speaker 1: attested in the day that in the day, other kids knew,
Speaker 1: other kids knew what was what was going on, and
Speaker 1: they were gossiping about what had happened. And when he
Speaker 1: took Joline, she came back from disappearing with the teacher
Speaker 1: and she was tussled and she later told him what
Speaker 1: had happened. And I think at that point kids don't
Speaker 1: just keep things to themselves. So the whole in order
Speaker 1: for Amy to have this I'm already on the record
Speaker 1: in August twenty twenty one, be you know, Bedrock. You
Speaker 1: have to assume that no kids were talking about this
Speaker 1: for years and years. Makes more sense to me to
Speaker 1: think that when kids hear of something terrible happening to
Speaker 1: a student at the hands of a teacher and it's
Speaker 1: all shrouded in darkness, they make up their own stories
Speaker 1: and they talk a lot, and they don't have a
Speaker 1: place to, you know, to synthesize it in a safe environment,
Speaker 1: So anything can So you know, the question is what
Speaker 1: has this stuff been out there for a long time?
Speaker 1: And Amy Griffin, you know, made that experience hers again,
Speaker 1: not the girl living in the children's home, the Foster Home,
Speaker 1: but the wealthiest girl in town. Who, according to my
Speaker 1: local source, whose parents were helicopter parents, picked her up
Speaker 1: ten minutes early. To everything, she was very well cared
Speaker 1: for and parented. That they didn't know anything, you know
Speaker 1: is also hard to hard to swallow. So we're left
Speaker 1: with either both Amy and Joline suffered the same experiences
Speaker 1: with two different alleged assailants, same almost like minded, detailed experience,
Speaker 1: two different assailants, or Jolene misremembered maybe Joline Jane Doe
Speaker 1: misremembered her assailant and it actually was the same teacher
Speaker 1: as the one Amy has pinpointed. Or Third, finally, the
Speaker 1: New York Times, you know, as Amy's lawyers believe, filled
Speaker 1: Joline's head, and that really Joline's a fraud or a
Speaker 1: vulnerable woman who had facts filled in her head by
Speaker 1: Katie Rossman and Liz Egan, the two reporters from the
Speaker 1: New York Times. I think that's a stretch. I talked
Speaker 1: to a guy five minutes but before we went on
Speaker 1: the went on here live, and he is a lawyer
Speaker 1: and a judge from the Las Vegas area. He knows Jolene.
Speaker 1: They are social friends as well. He's known her for
Speaker 1: eight years. He I just said to him, listen, and
Speaker 1: Harry Harry led me to him. Harry, you know, producer
Speaker 1: Harry there lives in Vegas, and he gave me his name,
Speaker 1: and so I talked to him and I just said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, is this a serious person? Are you from
Speaker 1: your you know? She said, absolutely, We're social friends. She's
Speaker 1: not some kind of quack. Joline is not some quack
Speaker 1: who's just coming for money. I said, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: don't know the guy. Harry knows the guy, but you know,
Speaker 1: I at least needed to hear that. Also, the viewer
Speaker 1: of mine, the hot MIC's viewer who led me to
Speaker 1: the person Amy says is the real Claudia in her book,
Speaker 1: has actually sent more information her class yearbook from the
Speaker 1: school that she did attend in eighth grade. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was a different school. So here
Speaker 1: we are on the day of the hearing again. As
Speaker 1: I said, Amy thinks I'm out together her, I'm not.
Speaker 1: You just can't blow up people's lives without evidence or corroboration,
Speaker 1: no due process, claim things about a breakthrough method of
Speaker 1: Trauma Recovery MDMA and jeopardize its promise in the process
Speaker 1: sell tons of books be the keynote speaker at every
Speaker 1: survivor conference because of all of it, while someone with
Speaker 1: sworn testimony on her behalf gets shoved into a manhole.
Speaker 1: Maybe something happened, maybe something, maybe something did happen, and
Speaker 1: of lives. You know, we're not torched along the way.
Speaker 1: It would be very easy to walk away at this point.
Speaker 1: I hope there's a good ending here. And again I'm
Speaker 1: getting feedback to Winter who saw a five star weekend
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Garner. So we had to go to Crewe,
Speaker 1: which is the fancy lunch place right on the dock
Speaker 1: there in Nantucket. We went to Crewe, and of course
Speaker 1: it's everybody's comes over, and there I get a lot
Speaker 1: of people circling and some former UVA people, and you know,
Speaker 1: people who say, no, we were friends. We were friends,
Speaker 1: But nobody believes the story, nobody, even the ones who
Speaker 1: are super close, because they're given nothing. They're given nothing
Speaker 1: concrete to say that this woman's a quack, to say
Speaker 1: the New York Times is full of shit and is
Speaker 1: acting nefariously, to say emphatically, you know that these people
Speaker 1: are all a conspiracy and they're writing declarations and testimonies
Speaker 1: on behalf of this woman, Joline, because they're all trying
Speaker 1: to take down Amy for money, all these possibilities that
Speaker 1: Amy wants people to believe, you have to give them something, something,
Speaker 1: so all these people also believe Billy, have you talked
Speaker 1: to James in the books as Sunshine in the chat section, Sunshine,
Speaker 1: I have not talked to James. I've texted James three times.
Speaker 1: I believe you know, I have his real name, and
Speaker 1: he has not gotten back to me. I think he
Speaker 1: wants out of them. Maybe there's Indy and you know,
Speaker 1: an Nda there, or just you know, if anyone knows him,
Speaker 1: please feel free to tell him that I'm a man
Speaker 1: of my word and I will keep his name anonymous
Speaker 1: in our conversation totally private. There is a prevailing wisdom
Speaker 1: here that Amy the money will save her in the
Speaker 1: long run, that it may all just go away, that
Speaker 1: the female founder need her, the powerful female founders need her,
Speaker 1: and they need her money and it will go away,
Speaker 1: and that ultimately, you know, because of her wealth and connections,
Speaker 1: it'll just be one of those weird things that isn't
Speaker 1: talked about anymore. I can't, you know the best for
Speaker 1: this trial, it should end in a settlement is what
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think there's any way to prove.
Speaker 1: And if Amy settles with Jolene, you know, her off
Speaker 1: ramp is. I don't want to splice through this. I
Speaker 1: definitely maintain this is my story. Give NDAs and pay
Speaker 1: people everywhere, and just walk away. Pay Joline heavily, donate
Speaker 1: to her cause, the Father's Ranch, which is the home
Speaker 1: for children of adult sexual abuse. Donate heavily there because
Speaker 1: that's in everybody's interest, and then just walk away. But
Speaker 1: we shall see again. I'm going to be on a
Speaker 1: plane in about an hour and a half. I'll be
Speaker 1: paying attention throughout the day to what's going on in
Speaker 1: the hearing. If it's a one day job, could be
Speaker 1: a two day job. But we will pop right into
Speaker 1: social media. We'll pop back on YouTube if we can.
Speaker 1: When that comes down anyway, we'll share it. We'll change gears.
Speaker 1: Questions though, if you have them, anybody anything, what do
Speaker 1: you Harry? Keep an eye out for anybody who wants
Speaker 1: to know. Martha is the only one with the balls,
Speaker 1: says Jackie. That's why Snoop loves her. Martha gets ghetto
Speaker 1: on Griffin. Martha saw right through. Martha was just like, wait,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell anyone, hold on, you didn't. And that's
Speaker 1: another fishy thing, is that, Jackie. That interview that Martha
Speaker 1: did on her podcast with Amy was scrubbed from the internet.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine where it was, because the biggest reveal
Speaker 1: in that inner views when Martha Stewart said, wait, this
Speaker 1: happened at school, she said, yeah, only on school grounds.
Speaker 1: That's why no one at home knew. And then she
Speaker 1: said only in the bathroom. Of course, in the book
Speaker 1: she was sayed and graped in the classroom, the locker room,
Speaker 1: the bathroom, under the bleachers, and in the tennis center.
Speaker 1: So we left out, you know, telling Martha it was
Speaker 1: only the bathroom. I mean, that's not a mistake. It
Speaker 1: just seems like I don't think she had any idea
Speaker 1: that any people that so many people would be asking questions.
Speaker 1: I think she was just assumed that they would be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so courageous. Please Billy, get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this story and show Amy for who
Speaker 1: she is. Well, I you know, here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody I speak to says she's so nice,
Speaker 1: a nice person, and then you of course, say to yourself, well,
Speaker 1: how can she be a nice person. A nice person
Speaker 1: doesn't make up something like this to elevate her fame.
Speaker 1: If you believe that about her, I get it, you know,
Speaker 1: but do you have room for any nuance where she
Speaker 1: believes this stuff? She believes this happened to her, and
Speaker 1: in that case, she's pulling her hair out, going crazy
Speaker 1: because she's like, oh my god, this is my story.
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, out of self preservation, people need
Speaker 1: certain things to be true. That may be the case
Speaker 1: as well, but again some type of core. I think
Speaker 1: the lawyers for Amy are battling on one thing only,
Speaker 1: and that is we didn't steal the story. They're kind
Speaker 1: of getting away from this teacher whom we know who
Speaker 1: he is, did this to me. The guy would be
Speaker 1: if everyone believed that that guy would be arrested right
Speaker 1: now and watching all this from behind bars in Amarillo.
Speaker 1: But he's not. He's mowing his lawn. So obviously the
Speaker 1: doubt is heavy. Okay, here the trial should end with
Speaker 1: a public stoning. Jackie, that's too much. We're not stoning
Speaker 1: anybody here. We're not stoning anyone, Tanya says. Let's see,
Speaker 1: I know an Amy Griffin, an actress and choreographer, and
Speaker 1: I feel badly that she shares the same name. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens absolutely all right. Well, just a quick little
Speaker 1: change of topic here before we roll things up. How
Speaker 1: about Ryan Reynolds. It looks like Ryan Reynolds is going
Speaker 1: to emerge unscathed from the assassination attempt on Justin Baldoni. Hello,
Speaker 1: what Blake? Not so much? But Ryan, I mean, he
Speaker 1: hasn't waited very long. He's already, you know, back in
Speaker 1: his deadpool tiny whities and and costume. Check this out
Speaker 1: here he is at the comic Con trying to get
Speaker 1: in this dive with.
Speaker 2: The swords and stuff. I was sad that you had
Speaker 2: her may milk. Maybe can we get him a microphone?
Speaker 2: We get a microphone?
Speaker 1: I have one, I have one. Hello. And then he
Speaker 1: goes on to play a little cat and mouse and says,
Speaker 1: so this is the cast for Avengers Doomsday? And they say, yes,
Speaker 1: it is. We filmed, and he says, is there any
Speaker 1: room for additional photography? Oh? In the Marvel universe goes
Speaker 1: crazy that maybe Ryan Reynolds will be making a cameo
Speaker 1: in the forthcoming Avengers Doomsday and then Ryan has also
Speaker 1: announced that there will be another Deadpool movies, so he
Speaker 1: comes out of this likely. Many people said, I think
Speaker 1: that Deadpool is bigger than the shame of what he
Speaker 1: did trying to take down Justin Baldoni and mistreating his
Speaker 1: agents and all those things. Hollywood is about the money first,
Speaker 1: and if Deadpool, they've probably done all the research they
Speaker 1: need to, and that Deadpool fans probably don't even know
Speaker 1: who he's married to. They're just nerded out and they're
Speaker 1: psyched about a new Deadpool movie. And it looks like
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds will roll right on through all of this. Blake,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Blake's gonna struggle, and that she'll
Speaker 1: their resentment will build up for her husband quietly, even
Speaker 1: though he was there for her and did unspeakably awful
Speaker 1: things on her behalf, She's still gonna suffer in the
Speaker 1: career game. And of course I did share my idea
Speaker 1: that maybe Amy Griffin thought The Tell would be an
Speaker 1: amazing movie. However, I think it's the fallout from The
Speaker 1: Tell and the legal lawsuits from Joelene and Jane Doe
Speaker 1: and all this stuff that is now the more compelling
Speaker 1: story about to tell and in that movie. I think
Speaker 1: Blake has a perfectly good comeback role in Amy Griffin.
Speaker 1: She could play Amy Griffin. They have so much in common,
Speaker 1: tall blondes who have gotten themselves into hot water and
Speaker 1: didn't listen to the smarter voices around them saying don't
Speaker 1: do this. Coleman Domingo is firing back at Elon Musk
Speaker 1: for planning to make an AI version of the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen the Odyssey? Elon Musk had said he's
Speaker 1: gonna make the Odyssey, but make it historically accurate, right, No,
Speaker 1: Black goddesses say basically, Coleman Domingo said, by historically accurate,
Speaker 1: Elon means whiter than Christmas at Cracker Barrel. Of course,
Speaker 1: this is all because Elon and his musketeers are upset
Speaker 1: about the diversity casting of the Odyssey. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to get technical here, but you can't make a
Speaker 1: historically accurate version of something that's totally made the fuck up,
Speaker 1: says Coleman Domingo. Yeah, it's it's mythology. So I mean,
Speaker 1: how do we get accurate on that? Do the diversity
Speaker 1: efforts offend you? We all have seen the show where
Speaker 1: a person of color has been wedged into a certain
Speaker 1: character we've seen, you know, and you know they're going
Speaker 1: out of their way to do it. Does it ruin
Speaker 1: the rest of the experience for you even when you
Speaker 1: know it, or is it one of those things that
Speaker 1: doesn't amount to enough or it's like I get it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like every commercial you see, it's like
Speaker 1: the you know, you got the Asian wife, you know,
Speaker 1: with the black husband and the kids and the thing,
Speaker 1: and then the friend comes over and every group is represented.
Speaker 1: Is that initiative in casting, in the advertising, in film,
Speaker 1: you know, business irritate you? Or is it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are marginalized groups that you know, this means a
Speaker 1: lot too. And even though it's forced, it's not enough
Speaker 1: to really offend me. And if you really want to
Speaker 1: get you know, technical, I'll say the one that irks
Speaker 1: me a little is I mean they cast Ellen Page
Speaker 1: as Achilles. Okay, Achilles is definitely a mythological character, okay,
Speaker 1: but a real warrior and Ellen Page is is a
Speaker 1: transactor who you know, was a woman and is being
Speaker 1: painted as a great warrior and can barely you know,
Speaker 1: run with the equipment on. It's you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: and five pound person with ripped abs now and the
Speaker 1: whole thing. But as Achilles, I think good that if
Speaker 1: the story doesn't suffer, I say, do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to include people, even if it goes off script in
Speaker 1: some way, like who cares, you know, if those are
Speaker 1: groups are benefiting from it, you know, okay, But the
Speaker 1: idea that a warrior is one hundred and five pound
Speaker 1: former woman, it's just then it's only the message. Then
Speaker 1: it's wocism for the sake of wokeism only, and the
Speaker 1: story suffers. And that's where it just seems like maybe
Speaker 1: there's a different part instead of the great you know,
Speaker 1: the greatest warrior. Let's talk quickly about the President's obsession
Speaker 1: with Caitlyn Collins. What she won an award for Excellence
Speaker 1: in Presidential News at the White House Correspondence Then are
Speaker 1: on Friday, Caitlyn Collins of CNN. She's a pretty stalwart reporter.
Speaker 1: She asked stone cold, straight faced questions. The President got
Speaker 1: very mad at her for not smiling more. He wants
Speaker 1: her to smile because she's got a great job and
Speaker 1: she makes a lot of money, and so he kind.
Speaker 3: Of personally congratulate CNN's Caitlyn Collins on receiving her award.
Speaker 1: It's all about me. It's a fake.
Speaker 3: She shouldn't get the award. It was a fake, but
Speaker 3: I didn't mind. I said, Caitlyn, congratulations.
Speaker 1: This is after he shook her hand. You know, she
Speaker 1: got the award. She came up, he shook her hand.
Speaker 1: It was very nice, and she sat back down and
Speaker 1: then it came time for him to give his speech,
Speaker 1: and after looking her in the eye and shaking her hand.
Speaker 3: But it was fake, there's no question about it. But
Speaker 3: she's a young, attractive woman.
Speaker 1: Look at the guy right there. You see the eyes
Speaker 1: of the guy sitting right behind ca Caitlyn, I paused
Speaker 1: it perfectly. Look at his eyes? Is he not representing
Speaker 1: everybody right now? Like, oh my god, is this weird?
Speaker 1: Look at Wolf Blitzer sitting in the opposite side of
Speaker 1: some woman who's in the middle of he and Caitlin
Speaker 1: the dude behind like all you could hear a pin
Speaker 1: drop in the room. It was so uncomfortable. I watched
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 3: When she never smiles, I said, Kaitlyn, do you ever smile? Smile?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you who else never smiles. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you who also never smiles. Milania, your wife never smiles.
Speaker 1: She scowls and squints and scowls, but she does not smile.
Speaker 1: Very rarely does she smile. You, sir, don't smile. Ivanka
Speaker 1: has difficulties smiling. But you know the fact that you
Speaker 1: think Caitlyn should be smiling because she's making money and
Speaker 1: having the in the luxury of working with you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a playful way to do that, right, Smile. Come on,
Speaker 1: it's just you and me. I know you're never smiling
Speaker 1: in me. Leave it alone at that point then, however,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to blame it on
Speaker 1: the joke writer, but I think you have to. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the buck stops with the man who delivered the speech.
Speaker 1: He went on to say that, you know, the speech writer,
Speaker 1: no matter what, needs to be fired, that guy who
Speaker 1: wrote Trump's speech was writing three four year old jokes.
Speaker 1: Going back to the well on old grievances. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is so charming and funny when he's self effacing. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of his speech at the Correspondence dinner was great.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh my god, him in a room.
Speaker 1: You people don't like me or all daggers at me,
Speaker 1: and ah, it's very engaging, right, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: magnetism warms people to him when it turns to the grievances,
Speaker 1: the long held grievances, the twenty and twenty election, Barack
Speaker 1: Hussein Obama, all these things. And you know the fun
Speaker 1: that he made. You know, he made fun of Trump
Speaker 1: at a White House correspondence dinner way back in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, and you know he won't let that go.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff, the personal insults. Chris Christie is fat,
Speaker 1: and he and Jerry Nadler, the congressman who's overweight, you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna have to fight and the next UFC
Speaker 1: fight over a piece of cheesecake, he said on the
Speaker 1: front lawn. And Adam Schiff is a terrible, terrible senator.
Speaker 1: He's a horrible guy. He's got a big watermelon head.
Speaker 1: And you know that all that eighth grade you know
Speaker 1: whatever s kindergarten recess bullying does not work. And it
Speaker 1: just was uncomfortable. And the amazing the stunning thing was
Speaker 1: is he didn't He has no sense, He has no shame, right,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't like that feeling we all get if
Speaker 1: we're like out over our skis and saying the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: and we kind of flush a little bit red and
Speaker 1: we get like, ooh, this isn't good, and then you
Speaker 1: try to find your way out of it. He's just
Speaker 1: like a pig and shit, and he keeps going and
Speaker 1: he tells this you know, old joke, I guess written
Speaker 1: by the joke writer that Caitlin Collins, you know, had
Speaker 1: a sponsorship from bud Light until they realized, you know,
Speaker 1: that she was actually Dylan Molvaney. I think that's what
Speaker 1: the joke was numbered, the Dylan Molvany. And so he
Speaker 1: doubles down the next day even after isn't there anybody
Speaker 1: in the White House who said, don't do this. It
Speaker 1: did not go well. Nobody liked the joke, and there
Speaker 1: he is putting up Caitlin Collins as Dylan Molvny. Now,
Speaker 1: of course there will be some people in Maga land
Speaker 1: who were gonna, we're gonna think that's funny, but I
Speaker 1: think it's small. Even the people that like his policies,
Speaker 1: that thanked Donald Trump and are grateful for Donald Trump
Speaker 1: because he closed the border, because he smashed you know,
Speaker 1: wokeism with a hammer, that he's deregulated and opened, you know, markets,
Speaker 1: and they'll overlook the other things. They'll overlook things because
Speaker 1: of the good things. Even those people don't like the
Speaker 1: personal insults, calling people fat, calling them watermelon head, and
Speaker 1: and you know, calling Caitlyn Collins trans She say, by
Speaker 1: all accounts, great looking woman who's very smart, does a
Speaker 1: great job. I like her. I find that she's got
Speaker 1: I mean, she's got stones proverbial figurative stones. She stands
Speaker 1: in there and holds the president's feet to the fire
Speaker 1: and doesn't do it in a performative way like her
Speaker 1: predecessor Jim Acosta. That guy was you know, acting, he
Speaker 1: was performing for himself. Caitlyn Collins I never get the
Speaker 1: sense is like, ooh, this is going to be a
Speaker 1: viral moment. Here I go standing up to the president
Speaker 1: and being almost rude, like Jim Acosta was rude. Caitlyn
Speaker 1: Collins is just solid, stays to herself, does her job.
Speaker 1: She deserved the award. Congratulations to her. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if she wasn't smiling, then she should be smiling now
Speaker 1: because basically Donald Trump lionized her that night. I hope
Speaker 1: it's a contract year for Caitlyn Collins. She's going to
Speaker 1: make a shit ton of money in her next deal.
Speaker 1: She's already making a lot of money, I'm sure. As
Speaker 1: the White House correspondent and also source of you know,
Speaker 1: host of the source that she does her nighttime show.
Speaker 1: He lionized her. He just made her even more famous
Speaker 1: than she was. So if she wasn't smiling, she is now. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it for us, guys. I got a race to
Speaker 1: the airport, get on a plane heading back to Maine.
Speaker 1: I love you. See it on Wednesday. We'll love updates.
Speaker 1: We're checking on the hearing for Amy Griffin, what the
Speaker 1: judge says, to see if Joelene Altam's case against her
Speaker 1: is going forward. Have the best day on this Monday. Okay,
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