WEBVTT - Amy Griffin's 'The Tell' The update before the hearing 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.040 You're doing me right. I might have shot the same. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:18.799 Another complimentary wannest there is my fellow Americans, and upside 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.440 down upside down pineapples. Greetings from the island of Nantucket, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.960 off the coast of Massachusetts, not too far from Martha's Vineyard. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.000 I think like the more conservative people come to Nantucket 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.520 and the liberal people go to Martha's Vineyard. But either way, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.879 these are very blessed people. It's a gorgeous place to 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.120 be a lot of I was rainy and cold yesterday 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.320 and now sunny and beautiful on the island of Nantucket 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.440 here on this Monday. So much going on. I have 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.440 run into so many people who all they want to 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.320 talk about is Amy Griffin. They stopped me in the streets, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.360 they pulled me up, they pull up to me at tables. Billy, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.840 this is an amazing story. I had lunch with a 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.400 and her husband who the woman went to the University 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:09.080 of Virginia where Amy Griffin went to school. And she's like, 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.480 oh my God, like everybody's, you know, wondering where this 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.679 is going. I said, does any of your friends, your 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.880 UVA people do they believe Amy? Long weird pauses every 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.080 time that comes up long awkward pauses. The truth is 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.399 and by the way I understand through you know, you 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.880 know people connected that she's none too happy with me, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.960 and because of mutual people that we know, we're getting 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.559 blown up on the phone, like what's going on? Stop 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.800 this hunt? Whatever it is, it's not a hunt. Let 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.759 me just say this right now again. I have nothing 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.120 against Amy Griffin. I don't know Amy Griffin. This has 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.360 nothing to do with Amy Griffin herself, and come up 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.520 in sir punishment for her. Certainly would never call for 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.400 the cancelation of anyone, you know, short of a violent 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.480 rapist or a murderer. You know what I mean. This 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.960 is about the truth. It's about the truth for three 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.480 in this case, men whose lives have been upended without 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.840 due process, without any sort of corroboration. It has to 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:27.200 do with you know, actual survivors and their stories being 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:33.799 heard and paid attention to. I'm related to one. I've 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.040 had a long history of being in the support role 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:43.040 for someone. And the future of psychedelic assisted therapy. I 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.400 believe it has the capability to heal the world of 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.520 its deepest, darkest, most evil secrets. So I really believe 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:57.240 in its potential and anything that derails it or miscommunicates 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.560 on its behalf. I don't take kindly to so anyway. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.200 It's peaked my curiosity. There are so many holes, and 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.040 we will get into it today. It's not the only 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.079 thing that we're going to talk about, because I understand 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.480 that there are a lot of people who have reached 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.440 out like, hey, I don't know anything about this, you know, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.280 can you do other stuff too? We love being part 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:22.160 of the community. Gotcha. Everything will be accomplished, but you 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.600 know there is fallout from all of this. I'm going 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.840 to explain. Was that from English Dick right up there 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:34.480 put a comment I believe up that said explain right, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.520 explain a little bit about what the situation is, and 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.320 I think that's what we're going to do here. I'm 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.880 going to do a little reset. So if there are 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.880 those who are on the cusp who don't quite understand 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.760 the significance, you know, of the Amy Griffin story, I'm 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.240 going to explain it to you. And if you're sort 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.360 of get it a little bit, this will push you 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.720 all the way in so you're with us, and if 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.440 you know nothing, it'll certainly help and maybe pique your interest. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:08.160 And by golly if it doesn't work here and just 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.160 wait for us to change topics. So look, from what 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.720 I understand, her friends, her closest friends, a lot of 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.000 the glitterati, the A list, friends that she has accumulated 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.320 and acquired. They are holding her hands and telling her 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.919 we believe you, girl, No, we are with you, girl. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.120 But of course they are not saying this publicly. Amy, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.359 I share that with you. I've had people in my 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.760 life ten years ago. You're the best. We love you 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:38.400 the world, everyone loves you, and publicly though I just 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.160 can't right now. It's you know, that's just the way 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.400 it works. But she is upset. She's blowing up everybody 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.159 around her to shut me up and get the story 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.760 off the page. And again, like I said, nobody believes her. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.559 Her lawyers are attacking the New York Times right now. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.599 They say, there's you know, provable play. The New York 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.960 Times engaged in foul play. They basically groomed a woman 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.560 named Joe Lene and turned her into a victim. And 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.120 I said, you know, I've questioned, well, why not a 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.919 lawsuit against the New York Times. That's reprehensible. And the 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.200 word I get back is very much on the table. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.760 I would think it's, you know, the primary thing on 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.120 the table. Anyway, I gather, like I said, it's a 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.159 bit of a boutique story. At this point, those who 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.480 are into it, who are consumed by it, get it. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.440 There are significant amount of people who don't quite get 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.120 it yet. They're totally confused or they're a little confused. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.040 So let me just reset the table now and then 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.440 we'll get into some crazy shit that happened over the weekend. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:52.640 Here we go. Amy Griffin is the wife of billionaire 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.800 investor John Griffin. They live in New York City. They 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.599 have a beautiful home in the Hamptons. They have a 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.360 place in New Zealand. He is, you know, a tiger cub. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.479 He was one of the great original tiger cubs, which 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.320 means trained under a guy named Julian Robertson, who made 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.359 some of these unbelievably successful hedge fund managers, and this 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.240 guy's one of them. John Griffin is incredibly rich. And 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.919 when he wrapped up his fund because he made so 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.679 much money in twenty seventeen, he put some money into 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.920 Amy's and let Amy go forward with hers firm called 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.360 G nine. And that's where Amy got to you know, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.760 do big things with big money, seating companies like bumble Goop, spanks, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.720 you know, female founders. This won Amy over to the 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.920 A List crowd, especially those who got the investments. They 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.599 got weak in the knees for Amy's pull for her capital, 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:54.279 it wasn't enough. She was big with the Hollywood women's 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:59.040 empowerment luncheon crowd, I call him. The general public didn't 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.320 know her, but you know at the l magazine Women 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.839 who make a Difference lunch, She's a keynote speaker. She's 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:14.080 a massive sponsor of many tables. You know, her followers 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:20.040 kind of you know, resembled resembled the A List. You 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.280 could see a lot of people on there that you 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.200 know and starr in your favorite series. But you can't 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.400 really belong to that crowd if all you do is 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.640 invest your husband's overwhelming wealth in the celebrity crowds ventures, right, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.160 you gotta be seen too. You got to have your 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.200 own platform. She published a memoir called The Tell Okay, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.400 a book in March twenty twenty five, and in the book, 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.640 Amy writes that after undergoing MDMA assisted therapy, which is ecstasy, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:58.760 she recovered memories of being repeatedly graphically graped between the 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.080 ages of twelve and sixteen by a male teacher at 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.480 her middle school in Amarillo, Texas. She wrote under the 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:11.280 premise that these memories had been buried for decades and 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:21.920 only resurfaced, only were resurfaced because of this therapy, remembering 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.520 that MDMA assisted therapy is not legal outside of clinical 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.600 trials in America. At this point, her lawyers adjusted her 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.560 story to indicate that the memories were recovered just before 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:39.720 the medicine had kicked in. Okay, gotcha, So readers taking 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:45.440 her at her word, the book became a best seller. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.439 It was number one hundred and twelve on Oprah's Book Club. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.600 Oprah embraced it. It was widely praised by others in 0:08:53.760 --> 0:09:02.319 the glitterati outside of Oprah. All the yours braves and 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.600 you're empowering women everywheres came rolling in, and boy, that 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.439 had to feel good. Then the story took an unexpected 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.120 turn in September of twenty twenty five, So, six months 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.600 after the book came out, the New York Times, who 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.480 had been working on an investigation into it. The New 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.360 York Times, was asked to review the book to make 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.600 a book review to sort of spotlight the book. But 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.120 the writers there were kind of scratching their heads, saying 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.040 things don't add up. They had another plan, and that 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.360 was to launch an investigation into the facts of the case, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.839 which no one else took the time to do so. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.560 In September of twenty twenty five, The Times published a 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:44.240 lengthy investigation questioning all kinds of aspects of Amy's memoir. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:50.479 The article raised the possibility that significant portions of Amy's 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:56.679 account may overlap with the experiences of another woman from Mammarillo, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:01.079 specifically another woman from her eighth grade class or all 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.920 middle school class at the same school. That reporting has 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.040 changed the public conversation around the book, shifting from widespread 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:16.800 acclaim and praise to scrutiny and now intense scrutiny. It 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.280 also led to lawsuits. The other woman from Amarillo is 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.080 named Joline Altom, and she's a classmate of Amy's from 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.200 middle school. She filed suit. She alleges that Amy and 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.199 her ghostwriter Sam Lansky appropriated central elements of her life 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.880 story and incorporated them into the tell. A judge literally 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:45.280 in an hour from now is about to decide if 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:50.400 the merits of Joline's case in California against the billionaires 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.360 Amy Griffin are strong enough to go to trial, she 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.640 has to show a limited, minimal amount of merit. Amy 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:03.160 has categorically denied those allegations and has filed counterclaims of 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:08.680 her own. Amy's got a small mountain of problems right now. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.000 One nobody really vetted her story. Her, not her lawyers, 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.680 not the publisher, not the sycophantic little ghost writer who 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.600 seems desperate to come to Amy's house now that she 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.719 is hosting the Maajang party. He might have gotten a 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:29.120 little swept up. Amy called out her alleged accuser by 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:35.040 name in her book proposal to the publishing companies. That 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.480 spread quickly, and as The New York Times writers were 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.160 traveling around Amarilla, which is in a very big town 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.640 two hundred thousand people, but as far as cities go, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.640 traveling around knocking on doors, asking about people, and asking 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.199 about this teacher whose name was revealed in the book proposal. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.920 It starts to spread that this teacher is, Oh my gosh, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.959 he could be a total violent rapist living amongst us. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.600 That spreads quickly in a small ish town, and his 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:10.640 reputation is upside down, although nothing has been done. The 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.760 police have not pursued him, there is no investigation into him, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.439 there is no corroboration, so it's just out there like that. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.000 He has had no other accusations against him in thirty 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.800 plus years living in the community of Amarillo. One of 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.680 the biggest points of confusion involves a character in the 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.959 book named Claudia. By the way, I told you I'd 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.360 reached out and discovered the real Claudia. I just reached 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.200 out again about an hour ago, so I'll tell you 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.640 what's going on there. But anyway, this woman in the 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.800 book named Claudia not a close friend of Amy's. Amy's 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:53.160 Amy was popular, athletic, pretty, she was rich. Claudia is 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:58.880 portrayed in the book is Vulnerable Quiet. Amy recalls lending 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:03.720 Claudia for a Cotillion dance, and she writes, the joy 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.080 I felt to be able to offer Claudia that dress 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:13.440 was boundless. But Claudia was someone to whom Amy felt 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:19.000 eerily connected, right, like someone she needed to protect, and 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.960 that they shared a secret. She kept writing, this woman 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.840 was always on my mind, Claudia, Claudia, I know we 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.800 are connected somehow. I know we share a secret and 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.200 of course, underneath it all, it's a dark, dirty, you know, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:38.080 dark secret, one that she leads the reader to believe 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:44.559 is connected in these violent grapes and sexual assaults. From childhood. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:51.720 Amy writes that she distinctly remembered seeing the alleged violent 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.280 pedophile assailant of a middle school teacher, mister Mason she 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.240 calls him in the book. She alleges remembering seeing mister 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.880 Mason's hand on Claudia's shoulder in a school hallway. She 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.800 says that image stayed with her for decades and later 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.960 took on a significance after recovering her memories through MDMA 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.480 assistant therapy. In my memory, the dress and Claudia and 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.800 mister Mason were all linked in some mysterious way I 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.560 could not explain. She says. What we're learning is that 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.760 Amy's having a hard time explaining anything that requires corroboration. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:38.080 Several people assumed that Claudia was Joline Altem because of 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.400 the way she was described in the book to a 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.120 t It was Joline Altom to many, and those people 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:50.479 have written legal testimonies declarations to that effect on Joline's 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:55.400 behalf filed as part of her Jane Doe versus Amy 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.640 Griffin lawsuit that is in California and before the desk 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:06.520 this morning today, so it's a big day. Amy Griffin 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:13.040 says what Joline alledges is not true. Amy's position is 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.760 that Claudia is an entirely different person and that the 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.960 character Claudia in the tell is not based on Joline 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.360 Altem at all. But Amy cannot produce the woman she 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.640 says is in fact Claudia because that woman wants to 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:34.360 retain her privacy. I have found that woman because of 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.760 a viewer of hot Mics who led me to it. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.920 Was basically someone who said, oh my gosh, this person 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.800 got a phone call from Amy Griffin, can you believe it? 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.080 And told me she got a phone call from Amy Griffin, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.680 and so it corroborated out that way. I contacted the 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:58.560 woman and it's definitely the woman Amy is claiming as Claudia. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.000 But I took it from there. I tracked her down. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.080 I connected whether it appears keeping her real name anonymous, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.840 he's not, you know, is not only beneficial to her privacy, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:17.000 but also to Amy's untethering story. Here I discovered that, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.720 you know, this woman was never in Amy's class. She went, 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.080 you know, the eighth grade class that she talks about. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.560 This woman went to a different school entirely. And just 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.000 over the weekend, I was sent by our hot Mike's 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:39.440 viewer and anonymous reporter a yearbook of a different school 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:45.239 called Crockett Middle School, and and and there is, uh, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:56.400 there is this person so very interesting anyway, you know, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:01.760 I texted this morning. I've tried to to get her 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:09.640 to speak. I wrote a very long text. I said, Hi, Blank, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.240 it's Billy Bush again. I've shared your name with nobody. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.080 Just desperate to clear up a few things, asking again 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.800 for a private, off the record conversation. You attended Crockett, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.919 It was it Austin? But was it always that school? 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.160 Do you recall a Joline Altam? Do you remember Joline? 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.840 What do you what's your take on Amy's Amy Griffin's 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.399 story altogether? Are these hijacked memories who are based on 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.040 maybe others still silent recollections. Is any part of it 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:47.200 possibly true? This is all on background. If the teacher 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.280 and I use his real name, if his life deserves 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.520 to be destroyed, well that is good. But right now 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.040 he and two other men have had their lives upended 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.400 by uncorroborated allegations made in either the proposal or the book. Also, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:07.560 I'm personally motivated here. I am deeply related to a 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:12.399 survivor who was young when something happened. Psychedelic assisted therapy 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:17.480 has saved her life. Anyway, I thought I would try 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.400 one more time, please forgive me if this is an invasion, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.200 And then I got the bubbles back, you know what 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.080 I mean. I was like, within ten seconds, the bubbles 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.000 started appearing on my phone like she was responding, and 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:36.800 the bubbles were up for like seriously, like eight minutes. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.520 I kept checking to see if the message had gone through, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.879 and it was still bubbling, still bubbling, like typing, typing, thinking, thinking, typing, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:49.440 and then about eight minutes later, no comment. So she's 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.680 you know, to which I kind of riff a little 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.480 bit here and wonder has there been an NDA. I 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.400 would not be surprised. This is not a fact, not 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.399 factually reporting, but I think that there. I would not 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:07.600 be surprised if some non disclosure agreements have gone out too. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:13.679 I can't imagine the teacher, the teacher who you know, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.000 Amy alleges did these violent things to her for four 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.680 years from the ages of twelve to sixteen. If somehow 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.600 that guy signed an NDA, it's a very very lucrative one, 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:33.040 very very lucrative one. It would be confusing. Again, then 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:38.040 there's the volleyball coach who was friends with this alleged 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.960 assailant of a teacher. I would not be surprised if 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.760 the volleyball coach had signed one. She's I know her number. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.120 I'm going to find out. But maybe maybe there's an 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.080 NDA here. There's a lot of money. Amy Griffin has 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.439 an enorm this amount of money, so you know, sending 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.400 five million or two million or whatever it is, which 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.000 is life changing money for most people, I don't think 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.520 would be off the table. That said, there's a judge 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.520 deciding today, you know, if there's enough merit for Jane 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.879 Doe versus Amy Griffin and Penguin Random House and Sam 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.800 Lansky that trial, if there's enough evidence, then am I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.440 wrong that we have a lawyer in the chat section here? 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.320 But doesn't the NDA get ripped up and those don't 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:38.000 matter under subpoena? I think so. So we'll see what's 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.119 gonna happen today. I assume that this case is going 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:49.760 to go forward today. The controversy is no longer simply 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:57.160 about whether Amy Griffin was violently assaulted over four years 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.080 in school by this teacher. It's become a broader dispute 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:06.720 over memory recovered memories through psychedelic therapy, the accuracy of 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:13.960 the memoir, journalistic reporting or lack of journalistic code in reporting, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.800 and whether the tell represents you know, Amy Griffin's own 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.040 experiences or the experiences of someone else entirely, or possibly 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:26.320 the combination of the two. Those questions are now being 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.560 fought in multiple lawsuits, with both sides accusing the other 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.480 of serious wrongdoing. Judge Richard Fruin is the judge. He's 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.720 eighty seven years old in Los Angeles Superior Court. He 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.280 will decide if infliction of emotional distress is on the 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:47.879 table invasion of privacy. I believe one hundred percent this 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.440 case should go forward. Like we said, multiple lives have 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:56.879 been ruined based on allegations of the former popular, attractive, 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:02.320 wealthy girl in town. She was the self ascribed leader 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:07.160 of the class who assumed, presumably because you know who 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.320 she is now, that people would read her words and 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.200 accept them just as fact. It wouldn't have to prove 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:16.280 anything except you used real names. In places you never 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.560 should have, and it has upended people's lives. She thought 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.840 that there would be sympathy and support only, and you 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.160 got that from Oprah and everyone else until Martha Stewart 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.560 started asking questions, who, by the way, is her neighbor 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:35.360 across the street on Lily Pond Road. I mean just yeah, 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.879 And then you know, just every reader also is even 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.719 your friends are reading it going something's not adding up. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:47.439 Not everything's adding up. Though about eighty percent of people 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.879 in Amarillo, according to a local source, believe that you know, 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:59.120 Amy's kind of just misremembering her flat out line. We'll 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.040 see where this all goes. Another woman has been featured 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:08.000 as a vulnerable former classmate from a disadvantaged background with 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.760 a wounded soul, a kindred spirit to Amy, you know, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.960 a girl who needed saving, A woman who Amy suspected 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.600 was being said like her by the same teacher so 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.439 central to Amy's courageous story, this Claudia. That woman has 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.040 been identified like I said by me. She's horrified. She 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:29.760 wants nothing to do with this former classmate again, like 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.000 she didn't even go to the school. We're trying to 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.399 find out if she went to the school. In a 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.639 different year and maybe transferred out. She's still anonymous to 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:39.800 you because as much as I'd like to present her 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.840 as evidence, you know, I promise to protect her privacy 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.080 and I'm going to do that like so many before 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.040 her and in recent history. Instead of presenting evidence, Amy's 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.560 counter suing in a federal court, which could bankrupt her 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.119 accuser in the California case Jane Doe versus Amy, This 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.200 could bankrupt Joline outem Obviously, Joline, who doesn't have a 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:05.720 lot of money, hasn't excellent lawyer working on contingency defending 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.199 herself in a federal case. She'd have to fund that 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:13.000 legal bill herself. There is no contingency for defendants. For 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.240 the lawyer of defendants. The lawyer representing Joe Lein, though, 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:18.879 who likes several others from her life on record in 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.640 this lawsuit, claims there could not be any other Claudia. 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.760 So if you have any questions, you know, fire them 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.080 in here. But that's supposed to get you updated again. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.240 There's a judge right now who's going to decide if 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.360 Jane Doe versus Amy Griffin, where Amy's the defendant, will 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.119 go forward. And that's today, and it could be a 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.520 two day hearing, the only thing that Amy maintains is 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.160 one thing. According to I think they're trying to say, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.639 there's a lot of noise out there, but they're going 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:55.080 to defend Amy on one thing that she did not 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.879 steal joe Lene's story. That means they're going out of 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:04.840 their way to say, we're not saying something didn't happen 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:10.520 to Jolene. I was just saying Amy didn't steal her story. 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:16.040 Her lawyers rely heavily for that. On the August twenty 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.680 twenty one date where they say Amy was interviewed by 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:24.720 the Amarillo Police Department department Sergeant Gordon Eatley, remember, and 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.920 a lawyer, a local lawyer for Amy before this interview 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.920 said hey, don't bring up MDMA and don't mention the 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.240 last time you were sayed or graped was at sixteen 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.320 years old. That's too late. Leave out the sixteen. Keep 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.080 it at twelve thirteen, and don't mention MDMA. So she 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.840 did this interview with this guy, the sergeant, and left 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:52.800 out those details, later adding in the last time was sixteen, 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:59.040 but Amy's so her lawyers are heavily relying on that piece. 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:06.919 Amy's team says, how could dominic Price or whoever was 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.000 you know. Joline alleges called her under that name to 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.280 glean private assault details from her life on the phone 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:19.399 in April twenty twenty two that were already on the 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.040 record with police in August twenty twenty one. Amy's defense 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.520 is saying it doesn't add up. She told a cop 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.840 what happened to her in August twenty twenty one, so 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.399 anything she told you know that Joline shared it was 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.960 already out there with the Amarillo police. So she couldn't 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:41.520 have stolen Joleane's memories because the short Joline hadn't shared 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:46.480 her memories until April of twenty twenty two, allegedly, when 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.440 some phony called up and said, my name is Dominic Price, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.240 I'm a talent agent. I'd like to maybe make a 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.000 story about your life and get all of her details. 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:59.040 One would have to assume that Amy didn't know them 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.160 for this to work. Would have to assume that Amy 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:06.960 didn't know these details all her life. William Jennings Bryan 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.040 is one of the people who had tested in Joline's 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.920 on her behalf. He was the boy that took her 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.239 to the dance in eighth grade. Now a man, he 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.840 attested in the day that in the day, other kids knew, 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.920 other kids knew what was what was going on, and 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.240 they were gossiping about what had happened. And when he 0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.399 took Joline, she came back from disappearing with the teacher 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.440 and she was tussled and she later told him what 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.320 had happened. And I think at that point kids don't 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.080 just keep things to themselves. So the whole in order 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.119 for Amy to have this I'm already on the record 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:54.960 in August twenty twenty one, be you know, Bedrock. You 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.399 have to assume that no kids were talking about this 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.399 for years and years. Makes more sense to me to 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:04.040