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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metater Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.

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Speaker 2: That's eight pm for our friends in Luco, Finland on

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Speaker 2: Thursday May fifteenth, and we are live from Meat Eater

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Speaker 2: HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randa Williams, and

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Speaker 2: I'm joined today by Tony Peterson and Lake Pickle. On

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Speaker 2: today's show, we're talking dogs, the beloved species aka Man's

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Speaker 2: best friend, as well as the food variety. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm referring to hot dogs. Geez, geez. This is a

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Speaker 2: good script. First, we'll interview dog trainer extraordinary Jordan Horak,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll play a little game. We recoined the

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Speaker 2: price is right? We recoined that.

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Speaker 3: I No, I don't think we recoined anything, followed by

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Speaker 3: a highly requested return of the Meat Eater Movie Club,

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Speaker 3: where we'll be discussing the children's classic Where the Red

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Speaker 3: Fern Grows.

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Speaker 2: And after that we'll talk with Professor Monti Lejerne about

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Speaker 2: ticks and tick prevention in our dogs. And finally, we

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Speaker 2: will do a throwback Thursday with some memories with some

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Speaker 2: of our four legged best friends. First, Tony Lake, great

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Speaker 2: to have you, fellows in the studio. What brings you

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Speaker 2: to town this week?

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Speaker 4: But me go first, first ahead, All right, Well, dog

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Speaker 4: week and I've been I have the Foundation's podcast on

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Speaker 4: Cal's feed, which is all about dogs. We've been writing

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Speaker 4: dog articles and dropping them on the site. Have a

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Speaker 4: new rooster film if you like watching public land roosters

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Speaker 4: get crunched by an adorable black lab.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful and me.

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Speaker 4: You can check that out at the Meat Eater's site.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we are just celebrating dogs. We finally did

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Speaker 4: an end around. I actually did the end around on

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Speaker 4: Steve Ranella, who's a cat guy, big cat guy, and

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Speaker 4: went right to the street. Well, because it's true, Yes,

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Speaker 4: this is not a rumor I started. This is just

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Speaker 4: known around the office. But I did an end round,

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Speaker 4: end around on Steve. Went to our CEO and I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: everybody here loves dogs, but Steve, can we finally do

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Speaker 4: something for the company instead of just catering to him?

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Speaker 4: And he said fine, And so now we have Dog Weekend.

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Speaker 4: We are going to be cranking out dog content from

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Speaker 4: here on out. It's a new category at Meat Eater.

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Speaker 2: Well done, well done. And you know who else loves dogs?

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Speaker 2: The people?

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Speaker 4: The people almost everyone. Yes, that's right, hot dogs and

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Speaker 4: the free kind of indeed.

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Speaker 5: Both of them.

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Speaker 1: So my reason for being up here is twofold. The

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Speaker 1: first one is I'm working on a new podcast that'll

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Speaker 1: go on the Bear Grease Feed and I'm super excited

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Speaker 1: about going to be called Backwoods University. And also when

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Speaker 1: we schedule the time we come up here, I knew

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Speaker 1: that May it was still turkey season in Montana.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel.

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Speaker 1: About turkey hunt, Randall, but I love it a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: So i'd hit up Max Bartos, I've been buddies with

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Speaker 1: Monday and managed to get a turkey. So it's been

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Speaker 1: a great week.

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Speaker 2: I uh. I asked Max Barta to take me turkey hunting,

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Speaker 2: hunting successfully in the past seven days, and I'm left wondering, what,

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Speaker 2: uh what Max really thinks of me? If there's anything there.

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Speaker 3: Max, if you're watching the show, ahead and call in old,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, and yeah, he talks you live.

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Speaker 4: Here, Randall. I would just like to say that Max

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Speaker 2: Are you serious he did?

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent here.

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Speaker 2: I will say he did. He did invite me to

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Speaker 2: He said, do you still want to go Turkey Hunt?

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Speaker 2: How about tomorrow? And I said sure, and he said

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Speaker 2: So Max did make an effort, right, although at that

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I got to go in his defense, seeing as like

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Speaker 1: When we were driving back and the weather was still pretty,

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Speaker 3: We'll breaking news. If you want to direct your attention

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I would like to. Max kind of

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Speaker 3: The audio listeners. Max. Max chimed in in the life chat.

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Speaker 3: He says, hey, Randall, I was going to take you Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all cat, and I'm just I'm just having

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Speaker 2: fun with you, Max, he did. I have every confidence

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Speaker 2: that anyone's counting. So yeah, well, it's wonderful to have

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Speaker 2: you guy here. Both your first times on Radio Live.

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Speaker 4: I actually was a guest on Radio Live once.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm call it. That doesn't count. So until you sit

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Speaker 2: in this chair, you don't know what it feels like. Well, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: interview of the day. Joining us is professional dog trainer

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Speaker 2: and the owner of Cato Outdoors, mister Jordan Horak. Jordan,

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Speaker 6: Us, and guys, I thought this was turning into a

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Speaker 2: Not on my watch. Not on my watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, everybody's talked about turkeys, but we're here for dogs.

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Speaker 8: Yeah all right, So so here's here's the deal, like

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Speaker 6: So of course we're going to work on those things.

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Speaker 7: We got plenty of time to teach skills later on.

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Speaker 4: So Jordan, I know let's let's move past the first

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Speaker 4: a big confidence guy, right You like to challenge dogs

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Speaker 4: But there is sort of a ubiquitous, uh, cross the

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Speaker 4: For sure, But can we switch gears here quick? So

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Speaker 7: Why, Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: So I've actually owned like eight or nine springers.

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Speaker 6: So I got done with school and I was living

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Speaker 6: like almost to a fault, like you can't go in

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Speaker 6: they're just like trying to like, Hey, how do I

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Speaker 6: the small size is like it's conducive to living in

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm a lab guy myself, but I'm sorry the size thing.

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Speaker 2: The size thing occasionally does seem appealing. Thanks so much

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Speaker 2: maybe I'll give you a call, get some tips.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, give me a caller stop by. Wonderful meet you

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Speaker 7: in person.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Great, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he knows a lot about dogs.

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Speaker 4: So I'll give you a quick antidote anecdote here. Have

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Speaker 2: Man our vet, when when we first met our new

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Speaker 2: Pro Dog Training Bundle. What are your guesses, gentlemen? Here

438
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Speaker 2: it seems like a fine product again rated the number

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Speaker 2: one dog training collar of twenty twenty five fire friends

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Speaker 2: at Shields. And I will note these prices that we're

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Speaker 2: reading here are from Shields. You have your answers. When

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Speaker 2: we flip those boards over, Tony goes with one seventy

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Speaker 2: nine oh, and Lake goes with five hundred dot. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we've got a winner. The correct answer is two and

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Speaker 2: forty nine dollars in ninety nine cents. Tony, Well done,

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Speaker 2: well done. You got one of those.

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Speaker 4: I do not.

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Speaker 2: It's a competitive price, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's a great price.

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Speaker 10: Phil.

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Speaker 2: What have we got for our second item up for

452
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Speaker 2: bid here today? And I apologize these these descriptions are

453
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Speaker 2: much too long. I now realize having listened to your

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Speaker 2: first one.

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Speaker 3: I like them. It's fun to read them. How about

456
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Speaker 3: a pet safe automatic ball launcher? Is your throwing arm

457
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Speaker 3: begging for mercy while your dog's still begging for one

458
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Speaker 3: more toss? Does your furry friend have the aerobic endurance

459
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Speaker 3: of Janis putellus? But the only thing you want to

460
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Speaker 3: throw is throw back a few rum punches after say,

461
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Speaker 3: a long day of podcast recording with an eccentric opinion

462
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Speaker 3: m opinion in nuda opinionated individual who is hyper fixated

463
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Speaker 3: on a few specific activities that don't really align with

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Speaker 3: your interests. Wow, it says hitting home Randall. Problem solved.

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Speaker 3: This ball flinging miracle launches standard tennis balls up to

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Speaker 3: thirty feet, perfect for the dog who has more energy

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Speaker 3: than snort on peasant opener. With multiple distance settings, you

468
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Speaker 3: can adjust from a living room friendly to huck that

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Speaker 3: sucker into the next zip code, and built in motion

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Speaker 3: sensors prevent balls from launching when your unsuspecting family members

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Speaker 3: are in the line of fire. Your dog can even

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Speaker 3: learn to reload it themselves, though success rates very depending

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Speaker 3: on whether your pet is a graduate of dog Edu

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Speaker 3: or well not. Get ready to reclaim your sofa time

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Speaker 3: while your dog runs itself into a tennis ball induce

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Speaker 3: stupor nicely done film.

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Speaker 2: Ooh boy, that looks fancy. I wonder how much you

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Speaker 2: could possibly cost you guys, have your answers ready? Let

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Speaker 2: me flip them over here. Tony goes with forty nine

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Speaker 2: ninety nine and Lake goes with eighty nine ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: The correct answer is two hundred and nine dollars ninety

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Speaker 2: nine cents. Got a tie game here, Fellas. Boy, you

483
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Speaker 2: guys didn't have much confidence in the in the quality

484
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Speaker 2: of that tennis ball launcher.

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Speaker 4: You don't see a lot of those in my world.

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to rein it in after I

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Speaker 1: so like widely overshot the first good strategy.

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Speaker 3: And I bet people in the live chatter saying, but Randall,

489
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Speaker 3: you're not asking about the commenters and if they're guessing correctly.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing I have not had time to

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Speaker 3: even look at.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm sorry, Phil, I really know.

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Speaker 3: It's okay. It's honestly, it's making my job.

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Speaker 2: The read is too taxing. I just the word counts too.

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Speaker 3: Guys can feel good about yourselves.

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Speaker 2: And the next one's a little shorter, though, I will

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Speaker 2: say I was. When I was preparing this yesterday, Sydney

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Speaker 2: walked in and I showed her the tennis ball thrower

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Speaker 2: and she said, oh, we should get that, And I said,

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Speaker 2: guess how much it is? She said two nine ninety

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Speaker 2: nine and I said, or no, I said it was

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Speaker 2: two nine and she said, we shouldn't get that right,

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Speaker 2: So had we been at priced at like eighty nine

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Speaker 2: ninety nine, I might be the owner of one. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Onto our next item.

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Speaker 3: On a three month supply of Next Guard Chewables for

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Speaker 3: Dogs weighing sixty to one hundred and twenty one pounds,

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Speaker 3: It's Next Guard Chewable Tablets for Dogs. Is your fairy

509
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Speaker 3: friend a hair covered hideaway for blood sucking freeloaders, You

510
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Speaker 3: need Next Guard red box. These beef flavored death traps.

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Speaker 3: Don't mess around, don't.

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Speaker 9: Negotiate, annihilight, Send those nasty bugs straight to hell. Nextcard

513
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Speaker 9: Red Box will get the job done, no survivors.

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Speaker 3: One tasty treat each month gives your sweet pooch thirty

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Speaker 3: days of protection from ticks and fleas, and the red

516
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Speaker 3: box three months supply means fewer trips to the vet.

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Speaker 3: Next Guard, because the only things you should be sucking

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Speaker 3: the life out of are your soul crushing job, your

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Speaker 3: suffocating mortgage, the bone chilling cold of winter, and the

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Speaker 3: extential dread that your entire assistance is just a cosmic

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Speaker 3: joke played by an indifferent universe, not your.

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Speaker 9: Dog's disgusting parasites.

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Speaker 2: Knocked it out of the park, Phil, Thank you for that,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any time.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a three month supply of next job,

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Speaker 2: next guard chewables for dogs and again this is uh,

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Speaker 2: this is for dogs weighing sixty to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty one pounds. Tony, Are you the next guard man?

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Speaker 4: Nope, and you'll probably figure that out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Here, buddy, mmmmm, Blake, do you have dogs?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got two of them. What kinds labs?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Good, good, good good. Well, when we flip those

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Speaker 2: boards over, gang, Tony goes with thirty nine to ninety

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Speaker 2: five and Lake says one hundred dollars. Lake, your closest,

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Speaker 2: but you went over. The correct answer is ninety dollars

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Speaker 2: and eighty nine cents. So Tony's gonna get away with

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Speaker 2: a cheap victory. Here.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel good about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the low ball in price is right is really

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Speaker 2: a coward's move.

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Speaker 4: I mean I feel better than losing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure none of us fill as good

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Speaker 5: as Phill does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Phil won that won that little segment.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for playing it was just.

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Speaker 3: A really good Yeah, thank you for those.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for playing along. Everybody, and remember to help control

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Speaker 2: the pet population, have your spade and neutered. It's oddly

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Speaker 2: uh prescient for Bob Barker to do this knowing that

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Speaker 2: we would do this now on Radio Live during dog Week.

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Speaker 3: He must have known.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what

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Speaker 2: does the chat have to say?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I apologize because I haven't been looking at the

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Speaker 3: chat uh for a while. So please get your dog

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Speaker 3: related questions or not dog related into the live chat

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Speaker 3: now if you would like them answered by our crew.

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Speaker 3: First comment comes from Brent Reeves. He says, little known

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Speaker 3: fact Lake Pickle can sing just like George Strait.

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Speaker 5: That's uh not true.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I think there's only one way to

565
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Speaker 3: find out you look so good in love?

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Speaker 2: Hit me?

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Speaker 5: He looks so good in love?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: If it was on key, I prefer Jamie Fox's version,

570
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Speaker 2: though it's probably better. It is good.

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Speaker 3: Wokoum says, I have a question about dog's steadiness. My

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Speaker 3: two year old Chocolate loves the sound of guns and

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Speaker 3: is off the place so fast even when I just

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Speaker 3: raised the gun. How best to teach steadiness?

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Speaker 4: That's a tony question, I think, Well, there's kind of

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Speaker 4: a lot to unpack there. But I would say you

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Speaker 4: kind of have to back up and go the gun

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Speaker 4: should This is sort of going to be a parallel

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Speaker 4: to gunfire introduction, right we started with clapping, We started

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Speaker 4: like distant clapping. Then you work in some twenty two's

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Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff. If your dog recognizes that

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Speaker 4: gun as an excuse to break, then you got to

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Speaker 4: back up and work steadiness in a way where it's

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Speaker 4: like make him sit to wait to feed, make him

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Speaker 4: sit on the retrieves, and get the basic foundational steadiness first,

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Speaker 4: because what this sounds like is maybe there were some

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Speaker 4: false positives with the steadiness earlier. So we moved on,

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Speaker 4: and now this dog associates that gun with the best

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Speaker 4: thing possible, and you have to go back and go,

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Speaker 4: do you have steadiness down at first before that gun

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Speaker 4: comes anywhere near it? So I would back way up

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Speaker 4: on that before I brought a gun out again.

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Speaker 2: M Lake anything to add there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one thing I would say, I'd say,

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Speaker 1: that's not the worst problem to have. I would rather

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Speaker 1: him be eager rather than the opposite of But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just echoing off of what Tony said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: all that's based off the foundation of discipline of a dog,

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Speaker 1: like just the foundations of obedience to everything. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything on top of what Tony said,

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Speaker 1: but taylor it back and just make sure that he's

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Speaker 1: steady to everything else and then advance back forward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this sounds I don't know. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: filling in the blanks here, but this sounds like waterfall

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Speaker 4: training to some extent. And if you think about if

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Speaker 4: you have a dog that's that keyed up when a

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Speaker 4: gun comes up to jump or to break, now you

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Speaker 4: have a real safety issue because you imagine those birds

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Speaker 4: coming in everybody's eyes to the sky, and that dog

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Speaker 4: feels the same way you bring that gun up might

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Speaker 4: flare your birds. But now you knocked down a cripple

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Speaker 4: in the water, you're like, oh, I'm I'm gonna shoot

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Speaker 4: it before we send the dog. That dog jumps out

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Speaker 4: and you're you know what I mean. It's just like

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Speaker 4: that's one of those things that's really tough because it's unnatural.

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Speaker 4: Steadiness is unnatural for dogs, but it's a safety issue

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Speaker 4: aside from just a manners and behavior issue.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is like you never want to be

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Speaker 1: the guy on a waterfowl hunt that has the dog

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Speaker 1: that breaks you.

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Speaker 5: Don't you want to get a hand?

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Speaker 2: I don't bring my dogs anywhere right for that?

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Speaker 4: Probably?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not trained at all. Phil, what else we got?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: One? Spencer Newheart asks Tony Lake, Randal and Phil, you

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Speaker 3: get to pick three hot dog topping for the rest

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Speaker 3: of your life. What are they?

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Speaker 4: Ketchup mustard relish, ketchup mustard, onions, ketchup mustard, cheese, cheese.

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Speaker 3: Cheese, mustard, sour kraut.

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Speaker 2: Hmm is that a Mississippi thing?

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Speaker 5: Cheese?

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Speaker 2: Are we talking like real? Are we talking like Frankfurter's like?

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Speaker 2: Or are we talking just brats?

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Speaker 3: How about? How about you get specific randals? Is what

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Speaker 3: the people are here for. It's dog week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, just stick to hot dogs, ketchup

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Speaker 2: mustard relish.

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Speaker 3: Great. On that note, Heritage Tradition asks, have you guys

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Speaker 3: ever had a Seattle dog which is cream cheese and grilled?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Grilled? I well, I love a lot.

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Speaker 5: I thought he was talking about a breed of dog, right,

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Speaker 5: Seattle dog.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a great it's a great hot dog. It's

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Speaker 2: a great regional variation on a tried and shee classic.

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Speaker 3: Hardway, Alaska asks, my four year old blue tick has

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Speaker 3: separation and just high anxiety, high anxiety in general. Is

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Speaker 3: there hope on breaking her from this or is she

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Speaker 3: just a house pet?

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Speaker 4: So, separation anxiety is one of the biggest stressers in

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Speaker 4: most modern dogs life, Like, this is a real issue.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know a lot about blueticks,

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Speaker 4: but I would say fundamentally, the dogs that get the

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Speaker 4: worst separation anxiety are not necessarily as confident dogs and

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Speaker 4: also haven't been not only exercise physically, but mentally. So

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Speaker 4: when you want to take the edge off a dog,

658
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Speaker 4: we kind of gloss over the mental part, like the

659
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Speaker 4: little problem solving games, like but you think about, uh,

660
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: you know, kindergarteners, right, like they learn, they have recess,

661
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: they learn, they play. Dogs are kind of the same way.

662
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: They need to run and get that physical exercise, but

663
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: they need that mental stimulation. And that's not going to

664
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Speaker 4: like totally cure separation anxiety because there's there could be

665
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: other stuff to unpacked there, but you can definitely sort

666
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: of mitigate some of the worst effects of it.

667
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have house bets. So again, right, what else

668
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: we got Phil.

669
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Speaker 3: Well, Pete has a very pressing question, and I'm sure

670
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Speaker 3: you guys have an answer for him. It's Morelsey's and

671
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: any tips on training my thirteen month old visla how

672
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Speaker 3: to find them for me?

673
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: Is that a thing you could absolutely do that? I

674
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: bet you think so? Just positive association, man, I promise

675
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: you could probably train.

676
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Speaker 3: Okay, because I assumed it was a joke and I

677
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: read it like a joke, But if you think that

678
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Speaker 3: it could be possible.

679
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: No, there's there's a lot of like dogs that sniff mushrooms, right,

680
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: there are some, Yeah, but I shouldn't say a lot.

681
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: But that's a thing I think.

682
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Speaker 4: I don't know this for sure, but I bet you

683
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: could probably order up dried morel powder, which would have

684
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: a lot of surface area for cent, and you could

685
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Speaker 4: train year round. You know, it's kind of like shed

686
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: antler training. You know, a shed antler itself doesn't have

687
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: a lot of scent, but ground bone powder has a

688
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: lot of scent, and so I bet you could do

689
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: this better than you would probably think. But you have

690
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: that really short window of morel season actually have that

691
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: dog go out and get that practical experience. So you'd

692
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: have to figure out a way to train it off season,

693
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: and that's how I would do it.

694
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Speaker 5: I like it.

695
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Speaker 2: I've morel hunted with my dogs, but right none of

696
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: us found them.

697
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Speaker 3: And then another one from Pete how to encourage a

698
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Speaker 3: water shy dog to get more interested in swimming? Any

699
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: general tips for that.

700
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Speaker 4: Water shyness is way more common than people think. And

701
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: so in fact, the four year old lab that I have,

702
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: I had a hell of a time her into the

703
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: water and I didn't see that coming. Going on hot days,

704
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: get them really worked up, and then change your training

705
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Speaker 4: location to someplace with water. Clear water's the best if

706
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: you can get it nice, gentle slope, hard bottom so

707
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: there's no surprises. So that dog, you know, if it's

708
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: ninety five degrees out there and you've been training that

709
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: dog gets into that water, it's going to go into

710
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: the water to some level. But you don't want it

711
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: to hit a ledge and fall off, get surprised. You

712
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: don't want cold water, you don't want too much current.

713
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: And so for my dog, I tried all that and

714
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: she wouldn't go in past she wouldn't go in past

715
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: her chest, so her tail end would be floating and

716
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: I ended up having to bring out a pheasant wing,

717
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: take her to a new environment and use a pond

718
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: that right in the middle of it was just deep

719
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Speaker 4: enough where she'd have to swim. So I had the

720
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Speaker 4: highest reward she had ever encountered to that point in

721
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: her life to retrieve because she wanted that wing more

722
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: than anything. It was a new environment, so a mental reset.

723
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Speaker 4: And then as soon as she did it and retrieved

724
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: that wing, I know ever dealt with it again, and

725
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: it was like a three month process for me.

726
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Speaker 1: I had a similar experience set the dog. I have

727
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: now no issues the dog I had before him. He

728
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: was scared of death of water, like, wouldn't touch it,

729
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: and I had to. But he loved feathers, so same thing.

730
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I had to build it up there and he did.

731
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: First time I put it in the water. He would

732
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Speaker 1: stand just on the edge of the water and bark

733
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: and wine until finally he just broke and went in

734
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: there himself.

735
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 5: And then problem solved.

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dogs just swim, don't have anything done.

737
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Speaker 3: Great, we'll call that for the segment now, but I

738
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Speaker 3: we'll do this one more time at the end of

739
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Speaker 3: the show. Yeah, please get those questions and I should

740
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: have more time to read them this time.

741
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Speaker 2: Thanks Phil.

742
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Phil.

743
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: It's a great listener feedback break. It was We're on

744
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Speaker 2: a meat eater movie club. I'm already self conscious about it.

745
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: How long this is a mistake? Wilson rawls. Where the

746
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Red Fern Grows, adapted for screen in nineteen seventy four,

747
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: is a beloved coming of age story about a young

748
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: boy named Billy Coleman and his two coonhounds in the

749
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Ozark Mountains of Oklahoma. It lives on as a beloved

750
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: family classic that continues to resonate with viewers for its

751
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: authentic portrayal of rural life, the earnest performances from its actors,

752
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: and the emotional impact on the younger audiences. The plot

753
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: of Where the Red Fern Grows is relatively simple. Boy

754
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: wants dogs, Boy gets dogs. Dogs die prematurely, but this

755
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: minimalist narrative structure functions as a devastatingly elegant meta commentary,

756
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: like sisyphus eternally pushing his boulder uphill, only to watch

757
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: it roll back down. Billy Coleman's tireless efforts to acquire

758
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: his hounds, his meticulous training regimen and his eventual hunting

759
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: triumphs constitute an elaborate exercise and cosmic futility. The mathematical

760
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: certainty with which the narrative arc concludes in the death

761
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: of his short lived companions mirrors the inescapable terminus of

762
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: all biological existence, suggesting that the universe operates not as

763
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: a moral economy where hard work yields proportional reward, but

764
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Speaker 2: rather as a cruel charade that temporarily entertains their aspirations

765
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: before mechanistically dismantling them. Now, please indulge me. I'm to

766
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 2: depart from a subject at hand, but this will make sense.

767
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 2: On September fifteenth, eighteen thirty three, the English poet Arthur

768
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: Henry Hallam suddenly dropped dead of a cerebral hemorrhage in

769
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: the city of Vienna, Austria, at the tragically young age

770
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Speaker 2: of twenty two. Over the following seventeen years, Hollam's former

771
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: classmate at Cambridge, Alfred Lord Tennyson, paid tribute to his

772
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: dear friend at a sprawling narrative poem titled in Memoriam

773
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Aah that wrestles with the inevitability of tragedy and loss.

774
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: Perhaps most Notably, the poem introduced Pictorian audiences to the

775
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: metaphor of nature red and tooth and Claw, later adopted

776
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: by the acolytes of Charles Darwin for its clear eyed

777
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: characterization of world shaped by the cold calculus of death

778
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: and survivorship. Where the Red Fern Grows serves as a

779
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: cinematic literalization of Tennyson's medicaeive elegy. The correspondence between these

780
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: works transcends mere thematic similarities. Both emerged from profound personal grief.

781
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: Tennison's for holem and rawls from childhood memory of his

782
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: own dogs. Both employ animal violence as a stand in

783
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: for universal suffering, and both ultimately questioned divine benevolence in

784
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: a world of struggle and violence. Tennyson's vision of creation

785
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: as an indifferent slaughterhouse quote so careful of the type,

786
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: she seems, so careless of the single life, finds its

787
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: perfect juvenile counterpart in Billy Coleman's Ozark Woods. The profound difference,

788
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: of course, is that Tennyson was writing for a sophisticated

789
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: mid century readership capable of appreciating three thousand lines of

790
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: dense poetry. Where the Red Fern Grows is curiously tailor

791
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: made for ambushing elementary school students with philosophical provocations. Were

792
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: Billy Coleman's Dogs merely a cruel diversion from the fundamental

793
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 2: emptiness of human experience. Perhaps most insidious is the film's

794
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: calculated subversion of Billy's crowning achievement, the hunting tournament victory,

795
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: through his grandfather's bumbling in aptitude. This transforms Billy's moment

796
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: of triumph into a hollow victory contaminated by chance and

797
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: human error. The message crystallizes with brutal clarity. Even when

798
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: one executes everything perfectly, random circumstance or the incompetence of

799
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: others can instantly nullify one's achievements. The trophy Billy receives

800
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: thus becomes not a symbol of genuine accomplishment, but rather

801
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: a monument to the arbitrary nature of success and failure,

802
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: a child's introduction to absurdity wrapped in golden metal. Most

803
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: remarkable is the film's half hearted gesture towards meaningful consolation.

804
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: The red fern, itself supposedly planted by angels where extraordinary

805
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: devotion exists, offers no genuine comfort. It is merely a

806
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: botanical curiosity marking the patch of earth where Billy's beloved

807
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: companions decompose. This supernatural element serves only to emphasize that

808
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: even the divine cannot reverse the finality of death. Now,

809
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: this reviewer is not prone to whining about the emotional

810
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: underdevelopment of today's coddled youth, discussions of generational decline, and

811
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: our society's refusal to teach children hard lessons or ripe

812
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: fodder for old men with talk shows. But there is

813
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: something refreshing where the word sorry I rewrote this by hand.

814
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: There is something refreshing about the films bitter, Oh excuse me, sorry,

815
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: this is just awful. There is something refreshing about the

816
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: bitter existential truth serving as the film's core message. Attachments

817
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: are temporary. Bodies fail, and nothing, not love, not courage,

818
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: not even narrative filmmaking convention can prevent our individual and

819
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: collective descent into oblivion. It seems as though children are

820
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: meant to absorb this nihilistic parable as a heartwarming coming

821
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: of age romp. The film endures as an unforgettable initiation

822
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: ritual into the awareness of life's temporary nature, ensuring that

823
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 2: generations of young viewers understand that emotional investment invariably leads

824
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: to loss, and the cycle continues with a frigid indifference

825
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: to human sentiment until all of us join our beloved

826
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: pets in the warm filled soil. Okay, now, Dog Week.

827
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to make of this film. I'll

828
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: be honest. I remember reading the book as a child,

829
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Speaker 2: and I watched the film yesterday and I was horrified

830
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: and shocked by it. Tony Lake, what are your thoughts here?

831
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Speaker 1: So we were given that what we were told we

832
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: had to read that book when we were in second grade,

833
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: and we read it as a class and when it

834
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Speaker 1: came to the point where the dogs died, the entire class,

835
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: including the teachers, were like bawling in the classroom. Then

836
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: we watched the movie, and as a second grader, you

837
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Speaker 1: don't pick up on some of the things right. And

838
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: then she actually had a guy who was a coon

839
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: hunter come into our second grade classroom with his blue

840
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: take sounds.

841
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Speaker 2: So you could fully appreciate what had just died. That

842
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: was overscreen.

843
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Speaker 5: I think that's what they were getting at.

844
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to, but so rewatching the movie, having

845
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: not seen the second grade, you just pick up on

846
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: some things.

847
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 5: Uh, and I'll just just go straight into it.

848
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't the first the first thing of the movie

849
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Speaker 1: they touch on. They're like Billy's family, his parents have

850
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: this goal. They want to move to Tulsa and take

851
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: over their uncle's speed store. So you're like, okay, that's

852
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: the thing, you go to the whole thing. He gets

853
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: his dogs, he trains them. There great coon dogs. The dog,

854
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: Old Dan gets killed. That's terrible. Then little Ann dies

855
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: and Billy is on the ground holding his dead dog,

856
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: crying that has just passed away seconds ago, and his

857
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: mom and dad walk up and they're like, you know, Billy,

858
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: this kind of works out.

859
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: Now we can move to Tulsa, right.

860
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: And I watched that.

861
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: I was like, sheesh, I forgot about I forgot about that.

862
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: In the opening when they talk to the mister Kyle

863
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: and he does mention that they want to move to Tulsa. Yeah,

864
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: maybe this is actually about the tragedy of uh, you know,

865
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: capital and labor having to follow you know, the market,

866
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: and and it's just it's a tragedy about how unrooted

867
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: we are from from our homes because of the system

868
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Speaker 2: in which we live. Tony, what are your thoughts.

869
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm on a piggyback here on what Lake just said.

870
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Speaker 4: I mean, I caught that too. I watched this yesterday

871
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Speaker 4: and finished it this morning. But also I wondered when

872
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: Billy tripped one of the brothers that fell on the hatchet,

873
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: I was like, is that involuntary manslaughter? And you know,

874
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: because it was pretty, they were pretty, they kind of

875
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: glossed over the fact that in a fight over this

876
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: white whale that he was chasing.

877
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 11: Here.

878
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 4: Uh so when he's inconsolably sad and his beloved dogs

879
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: have died and his mom's like, well, I guess we're

880
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: going to do the thing. Sorry, Billy, I'm kind of like, well,

881
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: Billy killed the kid like two weeks earlier, and you

882
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 4: guys didn't even seem to care.

883
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 10: No.

884
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: The next scene was they're eating dinner and grandpa really

885
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: wanted him to enter into the coon hunting tournament.

886
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 4: Right right, They moved on real quick.

887
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a movie about two dogs dying, but a

888
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: kid dies in the middle of it, and.

889
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: That's just sort of hes kind of a prick.

890
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like whatever.

891
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 5: The Grandpa's like, look, Billy, I know you killed that kid.

892
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and his dad was a bad guy too.

893
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: His dad really right drives a hard bargain.

894
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, but I think that was the lesson there, right, Yeah,

895
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: so the bad dad has bad kids. Yeah, the good

896
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: dad figures out a way to facilitate this coon dog

897
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: situation with Billy and it changes his life and he

898
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: becomes a man and movest Tulsa.

899
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: And I keep pinging on like the parent thing.

900
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Before Little Ann dies, there's a scene where it shows

901
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: like Little Anne's distraught and she's not doing very well,

902
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: and she's on the floor and Billy's trying to get

903
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: her to eat, and the dad turns around at the

904
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: dinner table. He's like looking at somebody's got he pulls

905
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: his glasses off, he goes just looks like the life's

906
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: gone out of her anyway, and then he just.

907
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: Goes back to do what doing got, like young boy, Or.

908
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: When he brings back old Dan and he's like working

909
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: on him in the kitchen table, he just says something like,

910
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen wounds this bad before. Needless to say, it.

911
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 5: Did not hold up for what I remembered in second grade.

912
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was also struck by how

913
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: often I had to go back and rewatch a scene

914
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: because the lighting was so bad that I couldn't tell

915
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: what had happened, right, I would like when they got

916
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: to the funeral, I went I had to go back.

917
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: I was like, what did one of those kids die?

918
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: And did Billy die? And then I went back and

919
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: saw that the hatchet thing again, same with the lions

920
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: scene happened very quickly.

921
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 5: What I want to know, how did they film that?

922
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: Like the Lions scene?

923
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like they didn't have c G I

924
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: back then.

925
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 4: I think they threw a mountain with those two dogs.

926
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: Ye, lions, see what happens?

927
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: That's the homeword bound thing.

928
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: I yeah. I didn't think this movie really warranted a

929
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: traditional discussion of what was realistic in it from an

930
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: outdoorsman's perspective and what fell flat from an outdoorsman's perspective,

931
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: because I walked away from it and just thought, oh

932
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: my god, there's a lot to say and there's also

933
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: not a lot to say, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

934
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Sean says, why the hell do all the

935
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: classic animal books end with death? Where the red friend

936
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: grills Old Yellow, Old Yellow? The yearling. I'm forgetting a few,

937
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: but can't we have a few creatures that live happily

938
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: ever after, And like it is true if pets, dogs

939
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: especially I feel are used a lot. It's kind of

940
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: like narrative. I don't want to say crutches, because a

941
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: lot of times the dogs are the point of the story.

942
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: They drive to apply. But it's it's their their death

943
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: or our fear of losing them that just it's like

944
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: a short cut to the heart strings, you know. I'm

945
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: trying to think of like animals that just like pets,

946
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: that are a part of a story, that are a

947
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 3: main part of a story, that end up living throughout

948
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: the whole movie or the whole book.

949
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: It's literally called a dog writing yeaheah, I mean it's

950
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 4: a it's a trope.

951
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: I just but I it's just shocking to me. The

952
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: guy was like, I got an idea for a book.

953
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: Dogs die. Here's the here's the twist. He didn't have

954
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: the dogs when the book began, and he had to

955
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: get the dogs. But then the dogs die. That's it.

956
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

957
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a story I mean that's been replayed,

958
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: that's been repackaged a lot.

959
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's a It's like a modern day Romeo

960
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: and Juliet. You know, is it I died young? Yeah?

961
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's another story. Just stands with people

962
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: that right. I think there is something to be said

963
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: for creative works that just end with untimely deaths and

964
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: then that's just the end, you know.

965
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 3: I think I think a good use of a dog

966
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: in media that kind of subverted the trope but also

967
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: fulfilled it is that episode of Futurama. Have you seen

968
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: a Futurama before? And many of you, oh, okay, it's

969
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: going to be a dull conversation. But the dog doesn't die,

970
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: but his owner, Fry gets gets trapped cryogenically frozen and

971
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: you know, travels through time. That's the whole idea of

972
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: the show. But there's an episode that focuses on the

973
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: dog he had before he was frozen. And then the

974
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: episode ends with the dog just waiting outside the pizza

975
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: place that he where he works at, without knowing he

976
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: was frozen. And it shows the seasons like time laps,

977
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: the dog gets older and older and old. Goh jeez,

978
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: it's incredibly moving.

979
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: I will say. I will say, just as my final thought,

980
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: the most realistic aspect about this movie for me was

981
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: that the hounds just turned barking into background noise right.

982
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 10: Like.

983
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: I was sitting there at my desk and just every

984
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: now and then I would register that dogs are barking,

985
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, this is exactly what it's

986
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: like to spend time around hound dogs, right, yeah.

987
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

988
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: And then the one runs out of house and just

989
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: jumps on the logs for no reason. I was like, yep,

990
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: that's a hound dog.

991
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: Yep.

992
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: So any final thoughts, I think we're running a little

993
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: overtime for a next guest here.

994
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 5: I wish I would have kept it in second grade.

995
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some things are best left right in the ground.

996
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Onto our next guest. Our next guest is a wildlife

997
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: parasitologist and the director of Clinical Parasitology at Cornell University,

998
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: doctor Mani Lagerne Mani, welcome to the show.

999
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 10: Thank you for having me.

1000
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. So you are on to talk

1001
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: about ticks, and I think when it comes to dogs,

1002
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: we're thinking prevention. So what is the best flea or

1003
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: tick preventative on the market today and is there anything

1004
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: that's a sure thing, uh tick preventative measure we could take.

1005
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 11: I think my first advice is like the local veterinary practitioners,

1006
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 11: they should be the best bet to forminate a plan

1007
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 11: for treatment or control of tics. But I can just

1008
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 11: probably comment on the trucks that are available on the market.

1009
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 11: They can be broadly classified into two like one that

1010
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 11: builds the tick and the other one that actually kills

1011
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 11: the tick the repellance. One good example is permathrain as

1012
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 11: the name suggest, like, you know, you apply on to

1013
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 11: the skin and then they kind of not allow the

1014
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 11: tick to attached to and take a blood meal and

1015
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 11: that's what they do. But if the ticks are exposed

1016
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 11: to prolong to this drug, they can in fact kill

1017
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 11: the ticks.

1018
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 10: But the second category, which actually kills.

1019
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 11: The tack, like, there are a lot of threats available

1020
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 11: the early version of those drugs, like their bit messy.

1021
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 11: You need to apply on to the skin and h

1022
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 11: and again there are a lot of safety concerns, say

1023
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 11: after applying it until it dry, like you kind of

1024
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 11: allow other pets to access the dog that got this

1025
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 11: application as well as kids like you know, they are

1026
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 11: not allowed to touch because of those safety issues and limitation.

1027
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 11: The oners are not like actually combined with this drug

1028
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 11: administration because in some areas where like the tick issues

1029
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 11: the animal issue, like you know, like it is your

1030
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 11: long issue, like you need to periodic we apply this.

1031
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 11: But because of this limitation, it's really hard for somebody

1032
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 11: to apply that. But the newer version, like they are

1033
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 11: really good, like so they are designed for a rapid

1034
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 11: kill of ticks like and these drugs are available both

1035
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 11: as a topical application onto the skin as well as

1036
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 11: like the drugs can also be given orally, so that's

1037
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 11: the good part of this drug. And this drug class

1038
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 11: is called the iso ice o soling.

1039
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 10: Sorry about the tough pronunciation.

1040
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 11: Of this, but again these are very good, very good

1041
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 11: drug like you know once are like taken orally or

1042
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 11: apply topically, and they can kill the tick within two

1043
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 11: to eight hours, depending on which drugs you use. They

1044
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 11: are that effective rapid kill. And then some of the

1045
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 11: drugs in this class are also mount acting, like they

1046
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 11: are effective for twelve weeks, and many other drugs are

1047
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 11: effective for twenty eight days. So then you could establish

1048
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 11: a periodicity of this application and the owners can comply

1049
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 11: with And so I think like the new class of

1050
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 11: drug which can be given oral, is the best bet

1051
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 11: that are in the market to control a pluent tick infestation.

1052
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha, thank You's.

1053
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 11: In question asked about like be if it is founded person,

1054
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 11: I would say, like, the main issue here is owned

1055
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 11: as compliance the lack of picacy, that the perceived lack

1056
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 11: of efficacy is mainly due to lack of compliance with

1057
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 11: the way the drug need to be administered, following the

1058
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 11: label instruction or following the guidance from the web. Like

1059
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 11: if everything is followed perfect, like the drugs are highly effective,

1060
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 11: any drugs that are a in the market, they're highly effective.

1061
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 11: But on the other hand, like I also want to

1062
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 11: say that no drug is one hundred percent effective. Despite

1063
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 11: you follow all the protocol label instruction, you still see

1064
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 11: some ticks hanging onto the body.

1065
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the big thing is following the following

1066
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: the manufacturer's directions rather than picking out a specific product

1067
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: on the market. That's correct, gotcha. So the second thing

1068
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: that I think about when I think about ticks is

1069
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: limes disease. And here in Montana, there's just in the

1070
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: news that we have our first known case of a

1071
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: deer tick with limes disease in the state. Is this

1072
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: surprising to you or would you have expected this discovery sooner.

1073
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: I mean, how does what does the spread of limes

1074
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: disease look like? From a from the chair of an expert.

1075
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 11: I read this news as well, So lime dis is

1076
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 11: very common here in New England.

1077
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 10: I'm from New York, So New England states like it's.

1078
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 11: Very common, and and and in mid Atlantic states, yes

1079
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 11: it is there and also Upper Midwest is way like

1080
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 11: you would expect lane disease on the ticks that transmits this, Uh,

1081
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 11: this disease is more prevalent in data. But the fact is,

1082
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 11: like a geographic range expansion for this tick is happening,

1083
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 11: not just for this stick, for other ticks also across us. Like,

1084
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 11: a geographic range expansion is happening. And now in that

1085
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 11: like it is not surprising. But I read the news

1086
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 11: and it seems like they collected this stick from a

1087
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 11: hunting dog and then identify what the stick and also

1088
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 11: found line in there. But it seems to me an introaction.

1089
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 11: It's an introduction event. I don't know if the tick

1090
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 11: is actually established in it. So when I say introduction

1091
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 11: and see, so there are a lot of factors that

1092
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 11: plays for a tick to get established in a particular

1093
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 11: geographic locality like.

1094
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 10: Host species abundant.

1095
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 11: So in this case the deer tick, if you have

1096
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 11: a white tail deer population which is exploding, yes, that's

1097
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 11: a place where like this stick can s.

1098
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 10: A Why not just a white tail deer.

1099
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 11: There are other hosts like rodents and even birds, migrated birds,

1100
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 11: all those so and again the other things such as

1101
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 11: some micro habitat that would help with establishment of the stick.

1102
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 11: So everything need to be lined up for the tick

1103
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 11: to establish. So if it is just an introductory event,

1104
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 11: like it happens with a lot of ticks in different places,

1105
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 11: the ticks get introduced safe for example migratory birds when

1106
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 11: they carry the nimful stage of the stick and they

1107
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 11: can drop the stick of places, but on that place

1108
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 11: where it is dropped off like, it need to established

1109
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 11: and a lot of factors space rule for getting this

1110
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 11: established up. So I can give one example here in

1111
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 11: New York, like in Long Island, which is the east

1112
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 11: of New York City. So thirty years ago loan start

1113
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 11: tic which is not the deer tick. The loan start

1114
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 11: tick was not in that known to occur in that space,

1115
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 11: but at the eastern end of that Long Island it

1116
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 11: was introduced three decades ago, and then the slowly spread

1117
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 11: and now the entire Long Island is like full of

1118
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 11: loan star tick. That's because of the white tailed deer

1119
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 11: population which is like exploding exploded in that region, as

1120
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 11: well as the wild turkey, which can host the stage

1121
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 11: of the stick.

1122
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 10: You know, they are also re establishing in that region.

1123
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 11: So all these play played a major factor in allowing

1124
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 11: the lone start to establish in that area. So the

1125
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 11: same could be true for a dear take to establish

1126
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 11: in a place like it has to have all these

1127
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 11: factors in place.

1128
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: So say you find a tick on yourself or your dog,

1129
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: what do you want to look for in terms of

1130
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: determining whether or not you should be worried? And then like,

1131
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: what are some of the symptoms that would make you

1132
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: concerned if they develop after finding a tick on your

1133
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: your dog as far as Lin's disease, go.

1134
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 10: On for line disease.

1135
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 11: You know, dogs like they are not like humans in humans, like,

1136
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 11: if you're bidden by a tick, dear take, like, it's

1137
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 11: easy to see that you react to it and then

1138
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 11: you get the disease and the bull sization, which we

1139
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 11: all know can be caused by by the interaction of

1140
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 11: the line disease into a host, especially in humans. But

1141
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 11: the dogs they are different, like the disease are not

1142
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 11: like typical, like the signs are not typical. And sometimes

1143
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 11: like the dog don't even suffer from the disease, there

1144
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 11: is symptomatic So it is really hard to say if

1145
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 11: the dog has like based on looking at like.

1146
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 10: You know the dog has picked up the disease or not.

1147
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 11: But other non uh, I would say so other signs

1148
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 11: such as like a fever and outrider is all those

1149
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 11: things can occur.

1150
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 10: So I think like a consulting event.

1151
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 11: Is the best bet to confirm if the lime disease

1152
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 11: is present by doing all additional ancileraty testing.

1153
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: Gotcha, And one final question for you, other than other

1154
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: than lime disease, what are some other Are there other

1155
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: tick borne illnesses that dog owners should be worried about

1156
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: or aware of, not.

1157
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 11: Just the deer tick, Like there are three other ticks

1158
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 11: that dogs can be infected with. In fact, like I

1159
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 11: would say four others uh so the American doctic, the

1160
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 11: lone star tick, and the brown doctic and the reason

1161
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 11: one is the Asian long ham takes. So these all

1162
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 11: can affect dogs and they come with their own pathogens

1163
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 11: to transmit.

1164
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 10: And I just want to comment about the Asian long

1165
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 10: con take.

1166
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 11: So this tick was not here in the US and

1167
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 11: it was deducted in twenty seventeen in New.

1168
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 10: Jersey on a sheep.

1169
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 11: And this stick has a wide host preference and they

1170
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 11: are seen in plenty in environment where this occurs and

1171
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 11: as oft. Now as for the USDA study, like a

1172
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 11: twenty one states where like the sticks has already been identified,

1173
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 11: but not onto Montana like I think like a cancers

1174
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 11: and the Missouri is where like it has been documented

1175
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 11: so far, but they can affect dogs and they can

1176
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 11: transmit what is it called the Rocky Mountain spotted fever

1177
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 11: so in Montana like the Rocky Mountain would tick which

1178
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 11: is responsible for trance meeting Rocky Mountain spotted fever to

1179
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 11: humans as well as saying dogs.

1180
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 10: But I know we know like it occurs there.

1181
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 11: But if this new Asian long on tick, if they

1182
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 11: spread to this new geographical area, they can be of

1183
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 11: major concern. The reason is like Asian long on tick

1184
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 11: or not like other ticks.

1185
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 10: Like other ticks, they.

1186
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 11: May they need for producing progenies. A female needs a male,

1187
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 11: but with Asian long on tick like the females don't

1188
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 11: need a it doesn't need a male like. They can

1189
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 11: just produce progenies on their own. So if they hop

1190
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 11: onto your host like they can produce, they can have

1191
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 11: a blad meal produce a lot of progenies and then

1192
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 11: they can swarm onto the host. And in some places

1193
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 11: in Virginia, West Virginia, we have seen cases where like

1194
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 11: cattle are infected with this host with this tick and

1195
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 11: then they just drink blood and the host to death.

1196
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 10: So that's one concern, but they are they can.

1197
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 11: Also transmit Rocky Mountain spotted fever, so in new location

1198
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 11: where the ticks emerge, and they can be of concern

1199
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 11: for transmitting Rocky Mountain spot of few.

1200
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: Gotcha, well, doctor Legerine, thank you so much for joining

1201
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: us today and uh sharing some your expertise with our audience.

1202
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you for hasping me. Thank you so much.

1203
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1204
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: Now.

1205
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: Our final segment this week is Throwback Thursday Dog Edition.

1206
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Throw Back on a Thursday morn, Stephen Brody, take me

1207
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: back to nineteen seventy four.

1208
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: Throw back.

1209
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 7: I can't believe it, did?

1210
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 9: I mention Stephen Brody our.

1211
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: Old ass that's the kind of stuff we like to

1212
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: do around here to have fun. Right, listen to Phil's jingles.

1213
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: Pretty silly, huh, it's fantastic.

1214
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: Well throw back Thursdays where we each share a photo

1215
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 2: and share the tale that goes with our photos. Phil,

1216
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: who do you have up first? For us?

1217
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: I believe I have you first, but I can switch

1218
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: it up in.

1219
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, let's go with what you have. I

1220
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: don't want to cause any more trouble than I have already. Oh,

1221
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: so this is I had a hard time picking some

1222
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: of my dog photos and trying to simbliss story out

1223
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: of them, so I thought i'd Dolly had an interesting

1224
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: hunting season this year, and people ask if I have

1225
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: a hunting dog, and I say no, but she does

1226
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: end up going hunting quite a bit. This is her

1227
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: as a puppy being used using an FHF bino harness

1228
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: as a puppy carrier looking for some spring bears. And

1229
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: then over time that was her first hunting trip. Over time,

1230
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: we try to teach her about safety in the field.

1231
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: Next photo please, We practiced our marksmanship together. Next photo please,

1232
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 2: And we did some habitat work, you know, giving back

1233
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: to the wildlife that we all love. Next photo, please,

1234
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: So Dolly joined us on a few hunts this fall.

1235
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: This is a deer that my wife Sydney shot, and

1236
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: you can see Dolly there on the right and then

1237
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: Rosie the good dog on the left. Next photo. The

1238
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: day after that, we helped my buddy pack out an

1239
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: elk and Dolly discovered her discovered her love for elk

1240
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: and elk content. Next photo please. She carried the fore

1241
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: limb of that elk for about one and a half

1242
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: miles and then mysteriously dropped it once we got very

1243
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: near to the vehicle. And then last, I believe this

1244
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: is my last photo. Then she accompanied us on a

1245
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: bison hunt and she went ape shit on that bison

1246
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: and just every little piece of trim that came off,

1247
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: Dolly ate it. And then she was very interested in

1248
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: the hide as well. So you know, that's just sort

1249
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: of a nonsensical, nonlinear explanation of my hunting experience with

1250
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: my non hunting dogs.

1251
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 5: That was lovely.

1252
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: Thank you, beautiful Blake.

1253
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: I've got your pictures up next. I didn't. I was

1254
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: wasn't sure the order you wanted to.

1255
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: Get in, So I don't think they're in any particular order.

1256
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: So that's that's my dog Knox.

1257
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: That's a real hunting dog.

1258
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of those.

1259
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that picture in particular is important because that is

1260
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: the first pheasant, wild pheasant we were in North Kansas.

1261
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: It's the first wild isn't that He found him flushed

1262
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: and retrieved him all by himself, and I was I

1263
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: think I.

1264
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 5: Was prouder than he was.

1265
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: I was.

1266
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: I was pretty pumped that. Okay, that's a special one.

1267
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: That's his first duck hunt ever. He would have been

1268
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: like six months old at the time, and again I

1269
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: think I was probably prouder than he was. Next photo polise, Sir,

1270
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: I like this one in particular because I forgot the

1271
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: dog stand that morning. So if you'll notice, he's sitting

1272
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: on the bottom, the bottom half of a climber stand

1273
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: and that is a cutout square patch of carpet.

1274
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: That I'm using so it doesn't fall through it.

1275
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: That's great.

1276
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fantastic ingenuity.

1277
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 5: Oh this is my favorite.

1278
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: So that's my wife Lacey, and uh, that was her

1279
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: first duck she ever killed, big pretty green head and

1280
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 1: it was just icing on the cake. I mean, there's anyone.

1281
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 5: Knows me like I'd love hunting with my dog. It's

1282
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 5: just what and so being able to hunt with my wife.

1283
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: She shot that duck and then Knox went and retrieved it.

1284
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 5: I was I was so happy. Is that? I think

1285
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 5: that's it? Is there anymore?

1286
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: That was a duplicate.

1287
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 5: There you go.

1288
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: That's so that's the archives of Knocks my dog.

1289
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Good looking dog.

1290
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's fun. He's a lot of fun.

1291
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: How old is he?

1292
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 5: Seven? Just turned seven last month?

1293
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: All right, Tony, we've got a photo for you here.

1294
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: So this is the only photo I put in because

1295
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: this story is gonna take me a little while. So

1296
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 4: this is this dog's twelve now, but in this photo

1297
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 4: she was about a year. And for people who don't

1298
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: know I, this dog's twelve. I have two thirteen year

1299
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: old daughters. So I got a puppy, this puppy when

1300
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 4: my daughters were one, which was a lot. So my

1301
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 4: wife and I still fight about this, even though I'm right.

1302
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 4: My wife came home and left a bag of groceries

1303
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 4: on the counter. I come home later and the groceries

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Speaker 4: are on the floor and there's some rappers strewn around.

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01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: Because she's a lab, right, we left her home at

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01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: a lab or lab was home alone. I start looking

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 4: at it and I go, man, this looks like a

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: big box of raisins and they're all gone, and so

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Speaker 4: caught my wife. I'm like, hey, did you She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I bought a pound of raisins, probably the only pound

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Speaker 4: of raisins we've bought in her life. Dog ate the

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Speaker 4: whole thing. They're supposed to be toxic to dog. So

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Speaker 4: I'm freaking out. So I take her to the vet

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Speaker 4: and she spends all day at our regular vet, and

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Speaker 4: the vet calls me and says, hey, you got to

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Speaker 4: get this dog to an overnight vet to monitor it,

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Speaker 4: keep it, keep the fluids going so it's kidneys don't

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 4: get messed up. So I'm wrangling too, you know, a

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Speaker 4: year and a half old kids and this dog. Take

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Speaker 4: her to the overnight vet, which is not cheap. And

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Speaker 4: then the next morning they call me up and I

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Speaker 4: got to go get her, and they're like, I don't

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: think any amount of raisins could kill this dog, but

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 4: so I load up the girls.

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Speaker 3: They're in there.

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Speaker 4: Pj's walk in there and Luna had never been away

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 4: from us, so Luna was losing her shit. And I

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01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 4: hear this dog going nuts in the background, while I've

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 4: got my two little girls who can stand and walk

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: but not real well, the vetech comes around the corner

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01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: like she's water skiing behind my dog, who heard my

1332
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 4: voice and has the ConA shame on. Luna runs out.

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 4: The first thing she does is run up to one

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 4: of my daughters and send her fly in, and my

1335
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: daughter hits the floor where the scale, the dog scale

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: is on the floor with her face, and so my

1337
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 4: daughter's screaming and has blood coming out of her nose.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 4: My dog's losing her mind, and I have another child

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01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 4: to wrangle who's just watching the whole spectacle. So we

1340
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: get We get my daughter's nose stopped up, go outside.

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: I load up the girls in their car seats because

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01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 4: I was kind of discombobulated. I didn't have the crate

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 4: with so I put Luna in the front seat and

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01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 4: I pull out into rush hour traffic and I look

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: over and Luna makes eye contact with me and just

1346
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 4: starts pissing because she was so hydrated and the whole

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 4: and I have nowhere to go because I'm in rush

1348
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 4: hour traffic now, So this dog's like looking me in

1349
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 4: the eyes. Well, I'm like looking down and there's just

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01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 4: this puddle spreading through. So anyway, raisins are probably toxic

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: to some dogs for sure, not that one man.

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. We we accidentally we

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01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: came home from the bar one night whether and our

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: first dog was there, and we're eating grapes and we're

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: throwing them up in the air and catching them. And

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: we started throwing them up in the air to the arlow.

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: We looked at each other and go, wait a second,

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01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: our grapes toxic for dogs. And we looked it up

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: and that's when we did the first uh you know,

1360
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: hydrogen peroxide, shake them up and let them blast it

1361
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: all out on the back lawn trick. We had to

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: do that with Arlow. Yeah. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I tried that with Luna and she just sat

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01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 4: there drinking that up. She's like, give me more hydrogen peroxide.

1365
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: Oh like she didn't. It didn't work.

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: No, we've used it a couple of times. Uh, we've

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01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: used it a couple of times that that dog, Arlot

1368
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: had a very similar deal. We we made a bunch

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01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: of soup, Like we made soup and stew and stuff

1370
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: all day and froze it all, and so the trash

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01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: had like ten different pound like plastic wrappers from from

1372
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: Burger and you know, all the meat and stuff, and

1373
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: then two Costco chicken carcasses in there. So I took

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: Dolly to the vet because she was like six months old.

1375
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: And I got back and I the trash is everywhere.

1376
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, where all the meat wrappers? Where are the

1377
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: chicken carcasses? And we go to the vet and the

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01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: Vet's like, I don't know what to tell you, man,

1379
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: It's either gonna come out or it's not right and

1380
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: pay attention.

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01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: Do you guys know if that's a breed thing or

1382
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: a size thing? Like why does the stuff like because

1383
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: I hear the same thing about like garlic and obviously

1384
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 3: chocolate and stuff like that where some dogs can have

1385
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: no problem with it but others don't.

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01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 4: It definitely is a toxicity thing that way.

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I will say we always heard like grapes,

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: like don't touch grapes with a dog, and it's bad.

1389
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: But most of the stories I've heard are like yours,

1390
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: where it's like just turns out to be okay.

1391
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hm, Well, I'm glad that you and your daughters

1392
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: and your dog were none the worse for wear after

1393
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: all that, although you're you're it's just seat of your truck.

1394
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: Sounds like it got the worst of it.

1395
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 4: Uh did? It was very It was easier pe to

1396
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 4: clean up than it could have been because she was

1397
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 4: so hydrated, which was part of the problem. Ye, It

1398
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 4: was more the fact that it was like a thirty

1399
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 4: hour ordeal that cost me like a grand Yeah, for

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 4: nothing other than my wife making that huge mistake and

1401
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 4: putting my dog in danger. Yeah, I would like to.

1402
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 2: Say, gotcha. Well, I'm glad, glad that it all turned

1403
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 2: out all right.

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01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: It did.

1405
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the show, folks, Phil,

1406
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: do we have any final listener feedback?

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought i'd go back to some interesting comments

1408
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: we got during the movie Club We have. Peter He says, Wow,

1409
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 3: Randall needs a hug, and Jesus Bradley says he might

1410
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: cry in pity for Randall. Right now, Brian Lammer says,

1411
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 3: what just happened? MD Outdoor says JFC Randall. Josh says,

1412
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 3: tune into meat Eater today for your existential crisis, and

1413
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: Brian says hand on face emoji. And then I kill again,

1414
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: says my dog stopped wanting treats, even the highest, stinkiest

1415
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: reward treats. It does not care about praise while training.

1416
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: Do you have suggestions? Thank you, gents, Never take that one.

1417
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: Never run into that issue before. Uh, he doesn't like

1418
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: any anything.

1419
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 4: I would ask, well, what kind of dog, right, because

1420
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 4: I'd like to retrieve.

1421
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1422
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 4: Does it have a special object where it's like that

1423
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 4: toy is my toy? Like there you have to find

1424
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 4: something that cares about.

1425
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if your dog doesn't care about anything, truly anything, Yep,

1426
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,520
Speaker 2: they should seek professional.

1427
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: Help because I can think of some instances where the

1428
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: dog not wanting treats might not be a bad thing,

1429
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: you know.

1430
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's double edged sword.

1431
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 4: Right.

1432
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: Nick asks why are there still hot dogs left?

1433
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: It's a fair.

1434
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 4: Point there won't be in about five minutes with.

1435
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: Nick, the hot dogs came in here about fifteen minutes

1436
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: before the show. I ate three of them before the

1437
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 2: show and started on my fourth at the beginning, and

1438
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: then I felt sick. So I'm just going to be

1439
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 2: very forthright with the audience. I felt sick for meeting

1440
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: too many hot dogs.

1441
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 3: Next question, Phil, you know we Brody had this problem

1442
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: a few weeks Spencer was in the chat, yeah, and

1443
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 3: fielding questions and just throwing off the whole cadence of

1444
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 3: the listener feedback portion. He's been doing that again this

1445
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 3: whole hour. He's been answering questions for people in the

1446
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: chat and I it's we've and so we don't have

1447
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: a lot of questions to pull from if you so,

1448
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: if you guys have some, this is your last chance.

1449
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: He got about thirty seconds here question Randa will have

1450
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 3: another hot dog while while you get those questions.

1451
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: I've still got this nubbins left. It's cold. I any

1452
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: more questions for one, two, three, We're running out a

1453
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: dog week your gang. That's a weird way to end

1454
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: a show. Thanks for joining us, everybody. This has been

1455
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I hope you enjoyed. Tony Lake,

1456
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for stopping by. We'll see you next

1457
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 2: week on Media Radio Live, same place, same time. Sad enough,

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Speaker 2: m