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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm got godlie, this is all ball.

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Speaker 1: Now all ball. We do long form interviews usually are

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Speaker 1: revolving around the world of basketball. But as you guys know,

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Speaker 1: if you've listened long enough, we've had baseball, we've had

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Speaker 1: And I thought that this is a really interesting journey.

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Speaker 1: This is Jackie Easterby, as we've covered his professional life

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Speaker 1: up until well, he left the New England Patriots and

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Speaker 1: ultimately went to the Houston Texans and that's where he

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Speaker 1: became really a known figure. But how did he get

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Speaker 1: to Houston? Why Houston? How did he climb the ladder

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Speaker 1: so quickly there? And what happened with his relationship with

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien that ultimately led to the whole kind of

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Speaker 1: organization falling apart a little bit? And then what's next.

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Speaker 1: All that's in here, let's come lued our conversation with

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Speaker 1: jack easter b where we left off. He's with the

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Speaker 1: champion New England Patriots. Think a listen, why did you

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Speaker 1: leave New England for Euston? Well, I think what happens

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Speaker 1: is when you become a part of any organization. You

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Speaker 1: get different roles given to you as you advance over time,

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Speaker 1: and it was really blessed in New England to get

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Speaker 1: kind of built in or added on, and felt like

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Speaker 1: within that organization, after being there several years and obviously

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Speaker 1: And knew that, you know, that structure had certain things

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Speaker 1: to us, and you know, we left, you know, good terms,

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Speaker 1: and evaluated. You know, hey, listen, we don't know where

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Speaker 1: we'll go, basketball, baseball, you know, took in a lot

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Speaker 1: of different sporting opportunities. You left, you left on your

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Speaker 1: own volition, but with no clear landing spot in Houston,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, so we left. We obviously ram Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl in Atlanta, really really cool experience, like I talked

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Speaker 1: to you about last time, with watching Brian Flores and

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Speaker 1: after that Super Bowl chose to, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: seek out a different opportunity for development or potentially leadership purposes.

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Speaker 1: So how does it actually work? Okay, you get done

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Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl, you guys win the suppol Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you go back. I'm sure for the victory parade. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: parade and you can't miss up Auston parade. Come on now, Doug,

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Speaker 1: you know that. Now you're on the on the duck boat.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, let me tell you something there

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Speaker 1: were Now the only thing about those duck boats that

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Speaker 1: I'll tell that you'll love is parade. I don't know

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Speaker 1: whole parade on your duck boats. So coach, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a blessing. But man, you know every word of that

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Speaker 1: we did. They called an earworm where it plays over

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Speaker 1: and over and over again. You love it. We did

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Speaker 1: was like, I know, I could sing that song at

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Speaker 1: then you know, I met with Bill and Robert and

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Speaker 1: And um, really, you know, good opportunity there. You know,

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Speaker 1: So how does it actually work. Does somebody reach out

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Speaker 1: And so I've always tried to almost take pride in

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Speaker 1: the fact that I'm not, you know, overly pushy with

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Speaker 1: anything that you know, and I never tried to make

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Speaker 1: anybody feel uncomfortable in that way, and I think people

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Speaker 1: that have worked with me would testify to that. So

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Speaker 1: that would probably be the one that stuck out the

435
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Speaker 1: most because I just think there's a place for really

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Speaker 1: good leaders who care for the people around them. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that that care was repositioned as potential, you know,

438
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Speaker 1: some sort of manipulation was just completely inaccurate and unfair.

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Speaker 1: But but I understand and respect from a distance people

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Speaker 1: who may not know me or don't you know, because

441
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Speaker 1: I was not a public figure at that time. Uh

442
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Speaker 1: you know, may have whispered that in that type of

443
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Speaker 1: you know, like and catch fire quick. Did any of

444
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Speaker 1: it help you in that? Okay? Now I know what

445
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Speaker 1: people are some are saying about me. You know what,

446
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Speaker 1: that's a great point, Doug. I thought about that. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: I mean I thought that, you know, knowing the other

448
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Speaker 1: side of the coin is healthy, you know, to know

449
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Speaker 1: what other people may think or potentially things that I

450
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Speaker 1: could do better as a leader. Yeah, there was a

451
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Speaker 1: lot of education that went with that. You know, how

452
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Speaker 1: do you make sure you're communicating better with people around you?

453
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Speaker 1: How do you make sure you're respecting all people to

454
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Speaker 1: make sure no one's ever in a position. I'll say

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Speaker 1: this and you'll love this because I think as I've

456
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Speaker 1: listened to your podcast and listened to different guests you've

457
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Speaker 1: had on, you know, through the time that I was

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Speaker 1: with the Texans. Okay, so think about this for a second.

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Speaker 1: In world news, Okay, so Donald Trump is the president, Okay,

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Speaker 1: pandemic George Floyd is obviously from Houston, right, and so

461
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Speaker 1: he you know, obviously unfortunately had his situation passed away

462
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, but was from Houston originally, and then obviously

463
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Speaker 1: some transition in different parts of the actual football business.

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Speaker 1: And so within all of that, there is a certain

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Speaker 1: level of um, you know, moving pieces or however you

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Speaker 1: want to call it. That creates chaos. Yeah, it creates

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Speaker 1: challenge independent of it was it was it was a

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Speaker 1: it was a it's been a chaotic and challenging time,

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Speaker 1: but for anybody. And then you know, based upon our

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Speaker 1: country's leadership, based upon all these other factors, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the people stands against police, police brutality, um. The

472
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Speaker 1: fact that there's cameras on phones everywhere, so which you

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Speaker 1: would think would give us a clear view of lots

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Speaker 1: of things. On the other hand, what happened before, what

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Speaker 1: happened after isn't on there, So there's a lot. It's

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Speaker 1: a fairly chaotic time. I would say, would be would

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Speaker 1: it be how I would I would phrase it. That's good,

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Speaker 1: that's good wisdom. And I think what what I would

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Speaker 1: say is, you'll see this, and I think this would

480
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Speaker 1: be an interesting study for all of us who really

481
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Speaker 1: care about these things. Is the great organizations and great

482
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Speaker 1: leaders will be better on the backside of those issues,

483
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Speaker 1: not because they made a rule about every one of

484
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Speaker 1: those things, but because they internalize the lessons and recalibrated

485
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Speaker 1: accordingly and made things possible for people in their organization

486
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Speaker 1: and maybe just maybe made the footing a little more solid.

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Speaker 1: On the back side of that, and I think we're

488
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Speaker 1: just now learning that, right. You're looking at some of

489
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Speaker 1: the biggest corporations are struggling with how much do people

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Speaker 1: still come back to work right? Or how do we

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Speaker 1: handle social justice better, you know, in equality and communication,

492
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Speaker 1: and as we prepare for a twenty four election, which

493
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Speaker 1: is already now starting to kind of walk through. So

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Speaker 1: I think I think for me personally, you know, to

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Speaker 1: answer your question directly, I think all of those factors

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Speaker 1: led to just a lot of internal evaluation. You know,

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Speaker 1: how can I do things better? How can I continue

498
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Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm caring for people well but

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Speaker 1: also leading them well. And you know, I think I

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Speaker 1: learned a lot through that, and I think I'm better

501
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Speaker 1: for it. I think the people in the trenches with

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Speaker 1: us in Houston are better for it too, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think we were all better for it, because adversity

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Speaker 1: introduces a man to himself, as they say, and I

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Speaker 1: think you learn and grow through that. I would agree

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Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great line that one music

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Speaker 1: diversity introduces a man to himself. Okay, with that mind,

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Speaker 1: how do you be you? You know, with your strong

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Speaker 1: faith background in the world of professional sports, collegiate sports,

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Speaker 1: especially in the South, but in lots of place the

511
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Speaker 1: country seems to embrace it more professional sports, at least outwardly.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are teams that, you know, Caroline Panthers,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it with Frank and some others. But

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Speaker 1: when you come in and you say, hey, I'm a

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Speaker 1: faith based leader in professional sports, you'll get pushback. How

516
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Speaker 1: do you avoid that next time around? How do you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that, um and and look and look.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is you know, again, I don't

519
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Speaker 1: know what was going on in Houston, guys, I don't know,

520
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it is just so many religious

521
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Speaker 1: leaders of the past, and even them, it's like the

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Speaker 1: if you if you lined up one hundred, ninety seven

523
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Speaker 1: of them are legit dudes, right, there's the three percent. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that three percent are people that are

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Speaker 1: more visible. So it makes you feel like, hey, all

526
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Speaker 1: these people, there's something nefarious going on? Yeah, right, and

527
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Speaker 1: we can do that with anything. Right. In coaching, there's

528
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Speaker 1: if you line up a hundred coaches, there's three to

529
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Speaker 1: five of them that are complete a holes. No, thank

530
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Speaker 1: you don't want you around my family. If you line up,

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Speaker 1: it's like people who think everybody dodges their taxes. You know,

532
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Speaker 1: of one hundred people, there's like three people who dodge

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Speaker 1: your taxes. We make this assessment of the gross number

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Speaker 1: of people based upon the actions of a few. With

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Speaker 1: that mind, knowing that you haven't really had the ability

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Speaker 1: to refute details of this article, right, and you're not

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Speaker 1: going to change who you are the makeup of who

538
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Speaker 1: you are. How do you tackle that going forward? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a one step answer to it.

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Speaker 1: I will say this because I think you've been very

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Speaker 1: transparent as we've talked about some different challenges in sports

542
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Speaker 1: across sports, not just this sport, but or even sports

543
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Speaker 1: administration as a sector. But I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: one thing is trust is earned. Trust is earned right

545
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Speaker 1: like time on task is the way to earn trust.

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Speaker 1: Repeat action is the way to earn trust. My grandmother

547
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Speaker 1: used to tuck me in the bed and she used

548
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Speaker 1: to say, she's say, boys, you know, southern southern grandmother,

549
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Speaker 1: She's to say, boy, the tongue in yoursue, but a

550
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Speaker 1: match of tongue in your mouth, you know. And so

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Speaker 1: it was a way of saying, you know, you do

552
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Speaker 1: what you say you're going to do, you'll you'll earn

553
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Speaker 1: trust and or be able to build relationships that are

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Speaker 1: good for both sides. And so I think that that's

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Speaker 1: the challenge for me is to intentionally and challenge for

556
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Speaker 1: any leader is to intentionally make and build strategies, relationships

557
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Speaker 1: and all initiatives that line up with being able to

558
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Speaker 1: trust the people, the things, the initiatives, the circumstances, because

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Speaker 1: they're consistent, you know. And I think if you can

560
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Speaker 1: do that, how do you do that, especially in your

561
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Speaker 1: position where people are going to share with you intimate

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Speaker 1: details of their life, of their emotional feelings, maybe their

563
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Speaker 1: relationship with God. Right, it's a powerful thing to have

564
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Speaker 1: that information. How do you create that level of trust,

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Speaker 1: Willy where they'll share with you. Well, I think every leader,

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Speaker 1: and I would say this about most coaches, right, is

567
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Speaker 1: they're they're having things coming to their office that are

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Speaker 1: all types of different categories. I mean, if you talk

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Speaker 1: to any good coach, right, if you sat Tony Dungee down,

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Speaker 1: or you sat you know, even Coach Belichick or Coach

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Speaker 1: Read or one of the even the greats in our game,

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Speaker 1: they would tell you like, things come in my office

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Speaker 1: that are just totally irregular, from I got a cavity,

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Speaker 1: to my family's messed up, to somebody just died in

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Speaker 1: you know, my family, to you know, obviously injury, to

576
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: all the different levels of things that come into an

577
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: office of a head coach. I think you have to

578
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Speaker 1: be prepared for that wide spectrum no matter what, and

579
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Speaker 1: so they're going to trust you with information as a leader,

580
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Speaker 1: just independent of your own opinion. But I think as

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Speaker 1: you show the ability to retain that information and be

582
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Speaker 1: able to listen well, but then also not have to

583
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Speaker 1: react to the information every single time it comes in

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Speaker 1: the door, and give people a safe place to talk,

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Speaker 1: give people a safe place to share, but also not

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Speaker 1: have a necessarily an action every time there's a discussion,

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Speaker 1: I think they begin to see that you have their

588
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Speaker 1: best interest in heart and that you're willing to help

589
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Speaker 1: them if there's a personal situation that comes up, but

590
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Speaker 1: it also professionally that you want what's best for the

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Speaker 1: overall group and that you're willing to put, you know,

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Speaker 1: programs in place that help everybody you know do their

593
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Speaker 1: best all year long. So I think there's always got

594
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Speaker 1: to be a place where as a leader, as an administrator,

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Speaker 1: as a boss, and a group that you you you

596
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Speaker 1: are a desk where things will come that are a

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Speaker 1: little bit you know, there's subjects. You know, there's a

598
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Speaker 1: wide array of subjects. But as those wide array of

599
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: subjects come to your desk and they come in the door,

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Speaker 1: you got to be very careful and intentional that you

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Speaker 1: don't judge anybody any differently. You let them share as

602
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Speaker 1: they see that they need to share, and then you

603
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Speaker 1: find formats and or leadership to put those things in

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Speaker 1: so that those people feel safe and encourage at work.

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Speaker 1: And what's really cool is I think we were able

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Speaker 1: to do that functionally. Really, I really do. I think

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Speaker 1: we were able to you know, you know, see people

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Speaker 1: in the in the uh different offices we were we

609
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Speaker 1: were leading. I think we saw some people really grow.

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Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the things that

611
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: I wish was out there more is how many cool

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Speaker 1: things we were able to do. Um because even amidst

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Speaker 1: some of the challenges, they're really cool. Was really cool progress.

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Speaker 1: When I say, Deshaun Watson, what comes to your mind? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: I think, um, I remember the first time Dabbo, who

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Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine called me and was

617
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Speaker 1: so excited about, you know, to Shaun committing to Clemson

618
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Speaker 1: because he knew it would be a game changer for him,

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Speaker 1: um you know, right there from right by Clemson in Gainesville, Georgia,

620
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Speaker 1: and um knew that he would be you know, dual threat,

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Speaker 1: but also knew that he had tons of ability to

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Speaker 1: help him, um, you know, to to really take the

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Speaker 1: program to the next level. I remember having that original

624
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Speaker 1: conversation and Deshaun getting to Clempson and so many things

625
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: happened in there, you know, off the bat. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I would think the first thing that comes to my

627
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Speaker 1: mind is, you know, his impact at Clemson University was dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a question changer. It was an

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Speaker 1: elevation of not that dissimilar to what you and I

630
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: talked about with Spurrier. Wi Spurrier came to Columbia, he

631
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Speaker 1: elevated the entire place. The expectations went up, the you know,

632
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Speaker 1: the the well they were famous for clemsoning, which would

633
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Speaker 1: be they compete at the highest level and then they

634
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Speaker 1: turn round and lose to somebody who there they are

635
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Speaker 1: better than, you know, and just just miss competing for

636
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: national championship by a gay Saturday here, a Saturday there,

637
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: and then DeShawn changed it right there was they would

638
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: finish any of those games that they couldn't go to finish,

639
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: that's right. And he did a great job of making

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: plays with his feet, you know, figuring out ways to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, keep them in games. To your point, whether

642
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Speaker 1: it was that one weight Forest game or that one

643
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: game that they had you know, maybe dropped, or maybe

644
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: it was Florida State for a while there that they

645
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 1: would you know, the Ballton Bowls right where they would

646
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, before Deshaan got there and Dabbo and Deshawan

647
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: were rolling, he eliminated that. He took their expectations to

648
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: a whole different level and made a huge impact on

649
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: that community. Um So when when I when you when

650
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: you call his name, that's the first thing I think about.

651
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: He signed the contract extension and it was a home

652
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: run deal at the time. Was there any sort of

653
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: unsettled feeling for him? Right? Because you know, one of

654
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: the things that that doesn't go discussed at all is that,

655
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, the the Hopkins trade, which people think is

656
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: that like the seminal moment why he wanted out he'd

657
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: already signed. He signed a contract extension after that, right,

658
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: so he whatever level of approval or disapproval like he

659
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: signed on. So let's let's start with DeAndre hopkinstruct. Okay,

660
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: whether you whether it's fair unfair based upon that Sports

661
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: Illustrated article. Okay, you were the advocate for the trade,

662
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: But what's the reality? Yeah, I think all player transactions,

663
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's you know, a specific situation like this,

664
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: or it's just in general draft picks or anything, or

665
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: all group efforts, they're just there are things that people

666
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: are all, you know, jumping in and communicating with throughout

667
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: the entire building. So why do you think, again, and

668
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: this is probably more guessing than knowing, why do you

669
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: think there would be people that would put that under

670
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: your name? Hey, Jack Easterpy, that's the reason we got

671
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: get rid of we made that trade. Why do you

672
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: think that is? You know, that's a good question. I

673
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: thought about that a lot because it's just so inaccurate,

674
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so inaccurate. I don't know, I

675
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: think that you know, as you evaluate different things, you know,

676
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: within staff meetings and as you evaluate things and people

677
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: talk about potential conversations that may be happening. You know,

678
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: sometimes those conversations leak out of the staff room and

679
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: people are evaluating them in different ways. But I don't Yeah,

680
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I've never really understood that because that's totally inaccurate. You know.

681
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I think that there's a evaluation, right that you're making

682
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: constantly of what's best for the team, you know, how

683
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: to things navigate. We did that in New England. We

684
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: did it Kent City. We've done it. Every basketball team

685
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of. Every staff is always

686
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: evaluating things to see how they can improve. But specifically

687
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: related to one lobbying, you know, it's just not accurate.

688
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: So I think, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that.

689
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a great answer for you.

690
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I just know that it wasn't a one direct correlation

691
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: really with any transaction, but specifically that one. He won

692
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: a new deal, he didn't practice right, and I mean

693
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I think both of those and was like, man, there's

694
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: a lot of money there that he wants and they

695
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: not practicing. Think that that ended up unsettling him in Arizona.

696
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: But it is interesting and I think what happened with

697
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: that deal again outsider looking in is because it didn't

698
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: feel like you guys got some home run package that Okay,

699
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: automatically it's a bad trade. Because the bad trade, who's

700
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: to blame? And let's take the guy who no one

701
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: knows of and doesn't do. You become an easy target,

702
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: right Whereas the reality is Bill O'Brien was the GM

703
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: at that time, right, and you know, and like the

704
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsil trade actually had happened, by the way Laramie

705
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Tunsil held football player, not the worst trade ever actually

706
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: if you look at it now, but at the time,

707
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: like the knee jerk to the deal being made, you

708
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: become the easiest target because nobody knows you, like that

709
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: would be the outside looking in. Yeah, and you know,

710
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. I think there's an interesting

711
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: evolution that's happened in the finances of professional football that's

712
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: not that dissimilar to what's going on with live golf. Right,

713
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: Like if you look at the cash, the cap and

714
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: the picks correlation of all these trades, it's really changed,

715
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, over the last whatever five years. Right, you

716
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: think about Jalen Ramsey and Jamal Adams and Laramie Tunsel

717
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: and some of those initial trades where it was like,

718
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, you're giving up so much or whatever,

719
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, even recently with you know, some of these

720
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: other trades with Russell, and I think there's been you know,

721
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: there's just a moving economy really a little bit right,

722
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: like nobody really knows what anything's kind of worth. It's

723
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: each team is doing their own evaluations and they're doing

724
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: their you know, their own situation to see what is

725
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: it worth to them and what they will pay, and

726
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: that's what the price is, right. And so I think

727
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: early on in that metric system, whether it was cash

728
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: going to players or it was picks going four players,

729
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: I think there was a really emerging market that people

730
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: had not considered, Like you know what happened with Miami

731
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: giving up all of the picks for obviously for Tyreek

732
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: or potentially for other players that they've traded for, like well,

733
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: I think Khalil Mack was the was the one after

734
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you guys that was I remember I remember people saying, well,

735
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, who's going to give two first rounders for

736
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Kalil Mack? Right, Raiders got two first rounders and they

737
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: basically got capital leap right, and their argument it was, Hey,

738
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: we're not any good with him, so what's the point

739
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: of paying him hurting our cat number. We don't have

740
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: a ton of cash when we can kind of start

741
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: over and spread that around and spread that that money around.

742
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: That was the first time when people started to realize

743
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: the value of some of those players. But Nick DeAndre

744
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: hop constraint and Stefan Digson's trade, you know, there's been

745
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of players that have been

746
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: trade ready monstrustrated during his during his time. The wide

747
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: receiver thing is is weird. Did you did you feel

748
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: any sort of disconnect with Deshaun or this this interest

749
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: or lack of engagement with Deshaun after the new cop constraint? Yeah,

750
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Deshaun was always really professional. Um yeah, I don't. I didn't.

751
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything. He handled what he needed to

752
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: handle and came in and did what he needed to do.

753
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: And UM, yeah, no I think, um, you know, going

754
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: back to what you just said, Um, in relationship to

755
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: these other things, I look back at like I had

756
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: studied a lot of what Sam Presty has done, and

757
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: I had studied, you know, a lot at what basketball

758
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: and baseball had done and their systems in which they

759
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: attested value, and a lot of the attested or the

760
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: evaluated value that they had done it was obviously internal value,

761
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: but there was a pretty big delineation between what they

762
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: knew as kind of a current asset, right with Kevin

763
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Durant or Lebron James or potentially you know, starting Pitcher,

764
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: those current assets were valued a lot different than those

765
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: potential assets, right. And so I had studied that a lot,

766
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: and not that that was necessarily my peak skill set,

767
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: but I had studied it a lot, and I knew

768
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: that those eventually would matriculate into football as people began

769
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to really study the money better. And it has, and

770
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: it's been awesome for the sport to see all of

771
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: the different changes and things that have gone on. And

772
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: there's so many great leaders now in the NFL that

773
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: have been able to make good deals for their club.

774
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: It may be good publicly, it may not be good,

775
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: but it's a good deal for their club. And if

776
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: they see that as getting better and that's the next

777
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: piece for their group, then man, that's that's the play

778
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: you want to make. Because every every leader only has

779
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: so much time where he's in charge, and so you

780
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: have to do what you think is best to get

781
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: to the next step. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but

782
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: Deshaun has to be traded before the off the field

783
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: stuff came out. What was your reaction when he said

784
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: he wanted out or his representative said he wanted out.

785
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah again, Like player player transactions are very you know,

786
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: very unique, because each player transaction has its own history,

787
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, like when a player is drafted, everybody sees

788
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: that moment which he's picked and that you know, the

789
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: hat is given and back flips are done and everybody's

790
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: mom is high fived and agents excited and all that stuff,

791
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: and everybody sees that. But what they didn't see is

792
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: on the field, you know, where he was in rural

793
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: whatever Buffalo at, you know, a small school being evaluated

794
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: by a scout right or potentially maybe you know something

795
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: where the journey kind of began. And so for me,

796
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: all transactions independent of this one, like they all kind

797
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: of have a start, a middle, and end, and there's

798
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: always this kind of pendulum that swings on where every

799
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: transaction happened. So I didn't really ever get caught or

800
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: thought in one piece of that of that tenure. I

801
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: knew that. You know, obviously there's always things that people want.

802
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, grass is greener sometimes sometimes it's not. I

803
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: think that's every transaction, every player, every person is making

804
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: that analysis. And so I never got really in one

805
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: spot on that one. Just just try to handle each

806
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: set of circumstances as it comes to do right by

807
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the organization ultimately, because I knew that was my job.

808
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: How did it end there? How did it end in Easton?

809
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: For you? Well? I think you know everything that when

810
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: you're in an athletic administrator, when you're in leadership at

811
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, everything that you're trying to do, you want

812
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: to end with championship. You know, you want to end

813
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: with an opportunity to you know, hoist the trophy. So

814
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: we weren't able to do that, but we were able

815
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: to do tons of good things. I think that that

816
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: organization will continue into the leaders that they have now,

817
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: who are all great men and great people. And so

818
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: I think it ended, you know, in a way that

819
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: there was a transition needed to happen to you know,

820
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: get people in there who hadn't had you know, let's

821
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: say those past experiences and people that had had different experiences.

822
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: And I think now those transitions have happened well, and

823
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I think it's for the good on all fronts. What's next, well, man,

824
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about what I've been learning and reading.

825
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of times when college basketball, I

826
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in professional golf to sports

827
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about. I've been blessed to go visit a

828
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: couple of athletic departments and learn from some of the

829
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: nil stuff that's going on, just trying to get educated

830
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: what's happening there. And I think I've been, you know,

831
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: very encouraged by how many people have reached out and

832
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: things that we've been given opportunities to do. My girls

833
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: are ten and twelve, so thinking a little bit about that,

834
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: right and making sure they're in a good spot where

835
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of healthy and encouraged and hopefully

836
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: can be in a spot where they can thrive. And

837
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, when you're growing up, man, those the ages

838
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: of whatever, let's just call it, thirteen to seventeen, those

839
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: are the those are the history making years, man. You know,

840
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: first opportunities to make teams and be a part of

841
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, high school stuff and some of the things

842
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: that go on with making your first friends and dare

843
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: I say boyfriends? But I think you know, we've just

844
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: been evaluating those things as they've come in and I

845
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: haven't really made a declaration yet, but really committed to

846
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: learning as I've always been. And probably the most I

847
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: would say encouraging thing of all of this has been

848
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: that as I've gone different places, I think people do know,

849
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: especially within a lot of the leadership you know, leadership

850
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: groups and professional sports and college sports that I have relationships,

851
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: what they do know the whole real story, And so

852
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: that's been really encouraging. That the last three or four

853
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: years has been a challenge for anybody who's been in leadership,

854
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: especially with what happened to us. You know, what would

855
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: you what part of the story do you do people

856
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: need to know? He got you just got to know

857
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: this to understand it. I mean, you know, without me editorializing,

858
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: what's the part they need to know? Well, I think

859
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: I think what people probably need to know most about

860
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: my story is when you are in a diverse series

861
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: of roles. And I think you described this well the

862
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: other day when we were talking, is you know when

863
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: you have different roles, whether that's character, coach or that's

864
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: obviously being an administrator. When you have a diversity of roles,

865
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's actually a strength. You know, that's a strength, right,

866
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: Like when you have a person or a group of

867
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: people that you can trust for financial management, you know,

868
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: ethical leadership, strategy, let's say, vision, whatever those different buckets are,

869
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: that's actually a blessing. And I think somehow, some way

870
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: it got construed the other way, where potentially, you know,

871
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: one role that I had at one point, or whether

872
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: it was you know, one role I had when we

873
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: were winning championships, and so maybe those were a little

874
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: more public was transferred into some other projections or maybe

875
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: some misguided evaluations. And I personally just don't think that's

876
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: the truth. I think when you have a diversity and experience,

877
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: that's a blessing. Like as a leader, you want if

878
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: you're trusting somebody with something, you want somebody who has

879
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: a diversity of experience. You know, no question, I saw

880
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: I get it. So because early on, a lot of

881
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: it was about faith and and that sort of leadership.

882
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, then when you get into kind of the

883
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: football world, I'm making football decisions, people push back like,

884
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: whoa aren't you the aren't you the chaplain guy? Right?

885
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: They don't want to. I mean even if you again,

886
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: you go back and you read the article, you're like, boy,

887
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: he'd been around football. Make it out like it really

888
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: they make it out like you're with the Jaguars for

889
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: a minute, and then you're both college and then all

890
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're the team chaplain for the Patriots

891
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: and then you're making football decisions in Houston. That's how

892
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: it reads. If you don't, that's how it reads. And

893
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: I would say some of that is that's how it

894
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: was taken, like wait, and then the other part too,

895
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: it is you mentioned trust is it's hard for people

896
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: to open up and being vulnerable and trust you about things.

897
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: And then when your role is diverse, like wait, is

898
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: he gonna hold that against me when it's in a

899
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: football role? Yeah? And I think what's interesting, you know,

900
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: if you look at some of the small businesses that

901
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: have been passed down from different families, or you look

902
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: at potentially somebody who starts in a big, big company

903
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: where potentially they have an executive trajectory, a lot of

904
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: the first two to five years of that person. If

905
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: it's again a business that's being handed down to a person,

906
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: and they want that person to learn and grow, or

907
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: it's a person who's got a fast trajectory that's going

908
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: to grow, they want them to learn all areas of

909
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the business. Right, go work in HRF a little bit, Right,

910
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: go work in finance for a little bit. Go working.

911
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: And so for me, like, I just see it as

912
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: a cool blessing to be able to have had experience

913
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: managing a salary cap, experience, you know, being a part

914
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: of different evaluations with staff and medical teams and all

915
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: the different things we were able to do. Obviously, be

916
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: experience on team building and constructing a team and constructing staffs,

917
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, building curriculum, public speaking, Like, these are skills

918
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: that I've been blessed to gain throughout these different roles,

919
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: and I just think those things obviously, just like a

920
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: corporate person who potentially is going to be given a

921
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: job or a trajectory in an executive role in the future,

922
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: I think I've been given those same opportunities and have

923
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: been blessed to hopefully serve those well along the way.

924
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: So I think the one thing, if you're saying, hey,

925
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: what is it, I think it's just does diversity of experience.

926
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: And we talk a lot about diversity in our in

927
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: our world today, but does diversity of experience actually give

928
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: you an encouragement that or potentially a feather in your

929
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: hat that you can use to navigate things more efficiently

930
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: and effectively. And I think the answers are resounding yes.

931
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: In ten years, what are you doing? Man? I love

932
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: your questions. Ten years hopefully I've been given an opportunity

933
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: to lead again and have built a high powered organization

934
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: that cares for people, is innovative, encouraging, and embraces all

935
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: the challenges of what sports can bring, but also meets

936
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: those challenges and exceeds the expectations of whatever the initiative is.

937
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: That we're being given last thing okay, and you've been

938
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: great with your time. I appreciate it. How can you

939
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: tell if someone's not the real deal? Is there? Is

940
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: there a tell that you have that you go How

941
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: can you tell? You know? This is going to sound

942
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: really simple, but I think you'll relate to it. I

943
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: think I think eye contact is the premier for me,

944
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: is the premier authenticity meter, you know? And I say

945
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: that only because it's really really hard to trick someone's

946
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: eye contact in a conversation, and I mean that in

947
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: all types of conversations, when they're doing an interview, when

948
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: they're doing a speech, when they're any sort of communication,

949
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: even on the zoom, you know, I think being able

950
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: to see someone's eyes, because I believe in eye is

951
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: a lot of times a window pane to a heart. Right,

952
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: your eyes are your window pane to your heart, and

953
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: so to me, I've always said that that authenticity meter

954
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: is attached to your eyes. And when you see someone

955
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: cares enough to look you in the eyes, or look

956
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: a subject in the eyes, or a group of people

957
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: or an audience or um, I think I think the

958
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: authenticity there will will repeat itself when not when it's

959
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: not that way, I think it gets challenging sometimes to

960
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: understand whether or not that person or that that relationship

961
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: is truly authentic. What is elite time management? What time

962
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: you get up in the morning, what's first thing you

963
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: can do? Read? What do you read? I've been reading

964
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: most recently Henry Henry Blackaby has a daily devotion that

965
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: my wife and I are doing UM and it's just

966
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: got three hundred and sixty five days of experiencing God,

967
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: and I read that UM I try to go through,

968
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes on CNBC kind of a daily

969
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: poll of what I think the financial projections would be,

970
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: just picking up from that, and then I try to

971
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: do all I try to do three other major news initiatives.

972
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: So I'll just go CNN, Fox, NBC or CNN Fox

973
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: CBS just to kind of get all three of those pages,

974
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: just to kind of get educated on where they are

975
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: and what they're doing. Um, And then I try to

976
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: get up, take a shower, and then get the day

977
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: started with whatever that day may hold. What what What

978
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: time do you get home? Well, depends on what I'm doing.

979
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: You know, days can deviate a good bit um, but

980
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: it's sure what you're say, Dan, which you're working? Oh man?

981
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Usually uh, nine thirty ten pm? Usually it's your wife

982
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: still awake more than not. Yes, what's your what's your

983
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: process when you get home? Without getting too personal? Which

984
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: when you when when you get home? I only I

985
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: only ask because you know, it's like I find an

986
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: interest in like waking up at five thirty and reading

987
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: devotional by that, it's not it's not my morning. I

988
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: get up and I I do I look at the

989
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: phone too much. I do my my CNBC is my

990
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: phone for sports information. I always go get a cup

991
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: of coffee. I start to do the I want, like

992
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of just sitting there drinking my coffee, kind

993
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: of collecting my thoughts, and it's really kind of helped me, like,

994
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: all right, I got I gotta what am I thinking about?

995
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: What am I doing today? That looking at calendar? Just

996
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: and then at night, my my whole routine has changed.

997
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: You get home, long day of work, nine thirty at night,

998
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: what do you do? Well? You know, try to stay

999
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: connected throughout the day, right, so that you're not updating

1000
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: data dump and all at home at that night when

1001
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: you get home that light because obviously there's so many

1002
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: things that happened between you know, five thirty and that night.

1003
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: But I think usually would get home just kind of

1004
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: connect on the girls, right, how their day was, what

1005
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: they had a potential, you know, conflicts or scheduling or

1006
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: things that happened, and if one of them still up,

1007
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: I would jump in and you know, get my hug

1008
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: and make sure they know, you know that I care

1009
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: for them and love them, and uh kind of maybe

1010
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: ask them about whatever that cheek code thing that my

1011
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: wife had given me was that they need to maybe

1012
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: update me on but yeah, just try to make sure

1013
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: we're connected on family and what the initiatives are and

1014
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: potentially my parents. My mother is going through Alzheimer's and

1015
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: my dad is going through some memory loss challenges as well,

1016
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: and so um, try to stay connected my my sister

1017
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: and my my wife stay connected on those things. So

1018
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: updates on some of those things in the PM and

1019
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: really family stuff, you know, getting up to speed on

1020
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: that so that you know kind of where everybody is

1021
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: and you feel connected. So proper amount of bed sleep

1022
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: time for you is how much? You know, It's funny,

1023
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: I've deviated that over the years. I thought that it

1024
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: was five thirty. I think it's probably six. Like if

1025
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm just if I'm going to be well rested, I

1026
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: think it's six. You know, if my eyes were closed

1027
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: at ten thirty, I think I have a chance. You know.

1028
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: If my eyes are closed later than that, I think

1029
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: I feel tired the next day a little bit. That's

1030
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: kind of when was that the same way you're in

1031
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: the NFL? Or was the sleep even harder to come by? Oh?

1032
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: It was really hard to come by because you're traveling

1033
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and there's so many different things that you know run

1034
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: into it, but you just have to stay discipline. I've

1035
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: always been a guy that I try to stay on

1036
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: the time zone i'm on, just because you know, with travel,

1037
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: you're not there long enough usually to reacquiesce. So um, yeah,

1038
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: I would say usually for me, six is a target

1039
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: and then something kind of goes off, you know, and

1040
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: knocks me off and I got to catch it up

1041
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But last, last time, I'll tell you this now,

1042
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: nap guy like not a fund, not a friend. Fifteen minute,

1043
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: fifteen minute, no thirty minute, no doubt. Yes. To me,

1044
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: it's like it's like plugging in a tesla, like I

1045
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: get I get recharged. I'm good. People talk, that's it,

1046
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: that's it gains. Not everybody has that, and people people

1047
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: get jealous of it too, Like you can nap. Oh yeah,

1048
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: and you'll find yeah, I'm good, I'm actually better than good.

1049
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: That's right. Fifteen minutes, man, that's a I've done that

1050
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot throughout my career. You know, jump on the

1051
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: couch at work or potentially you know, if there's a

1052
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: nap room or depending on the facility i'm in. You know,

1053
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: I've done that a lot, and that's a blessing man

1054
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of recharge. Get you right, what did you learn

1055
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: from the dishun off the field stuff? And by that,

1056
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean I get you know, I'll just I'll leave

1057
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: it that and we'll talk about what what did you

1058
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: personally learn from it? Oh man? I think well, I

1059
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: think you always learn um more about administrational tactics than

1060
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: you do about things that you you know, if there's

1061
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: something you didn't know about or don't don't really have

1062
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: any sort of understand I mean, there's not really a

1063
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: whole lot of margin there to you know, to change, right,

1064
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Speaker 1: because when you don't you don't know about stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: really not it was an outside the building type thing,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't really a margin there for something we

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Speaker 1: would do incredibly different from what we knew. But administratively,

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Speaker 1: you just go back through all your actions knowing, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is how we handle this is how we handle

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Speaker 1: this is how we handle this. And I think you

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Speaker 1: reflect on all of it. I don't think there's one

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Speaker 1: part of it that necessarily stands out. I think it's

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Speaker 1: all of it is to you know, there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no way you can control anyone else's personal actions, even

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Speaker 1: you know, within your own family, you can't control that.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but like, again, you tell me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. It's like you said, like when I talked

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Speaker 1: to it a GM in the league, and when that

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: went down, I said, are you surprised? He's like floored.

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Speaker 1: It's like we did a deep dive into him, and

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Speaker 1: like he's basically a saint in Clemson, South Carolina. Hey,

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01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: you know in college, when you're a superstar, you can

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01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: get away with some stuff and they're like nothing, we

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Speaker 1: got we got nothing. And so I'm wondering for you,

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Speaker 1: as a kind of faith based leader during that time

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Speaker 1: in Houston, if you start wondering, like was I pooled

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Speaker 1: on this thing? Was I part of the problem? Did

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Speaker 1: I see it? This is what is going on? Like

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: you kind of got to be spinning a little bit

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Speaker 1: because that really is your purview and really is your expertise.

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Speaker 1: And yet on the other hand, there has to be

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Speaker 1: a certain part of you, which you were getting on

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Speaker 1: at the end, which is like, hey, there's so much,

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01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: only so much I can control. Like either grown man

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Speaker 1: with one hundred million dollars at the bank and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of other parts of their lives that I

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Speaker 1: can't be a part of. I'm not privy too, So

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering in the in the in the times

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Speaker 1: in which you're loan in thought about how that affects you,

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Speaker 1: even even to this debt. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell

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01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: you do like I've thought about everything you can think of.

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: Right when you're in this type of situation, you think

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: about all of it. What could you do better? What

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01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: could your thought better? Was there a judgment here? There?

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Speaker 1: The other ways? Obviously I came to you know, Houston

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: after he was already drafted, so I had heard great

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01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: stories about him from from Dabo, and all the conversations

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01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: and interactions I've had have been fine, So there was

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01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: no you know, I would say, there's there was no

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Speaker 1: indicator or any one thing that I feel like we missed.

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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, I would just say for me, going back

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Speaker 1: on thinking through how to lead well in all of

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Speaker 1: those things, I think, you know, going through it is

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Speaker 1: a great prerequisite or a great you know, let's say,

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: preparation tool for being able to do it again better

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01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: the next time when things like that come up. Because

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't on the front end there was nothing that

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: you can do when you don't have that information. Right,

1119
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: when you know someone Scott certain things, you can try

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Speaker 1: to help them with the things that maybe they may

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01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: have a challenge with. But when you don't know that,

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01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: when you're not aware of that, it's very difficult to

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: preempt anything that you don't know about it. I mean,

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: that's that's oxymoronic within itself. And so I think you just,

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Speaker 1: you know, try to learn how we administrated the different

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Speaker 1: challenges of what that presented and going you know, going

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: through it again. If I was ever blessed to have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to go through something like that again, I

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Speaker 1: think I would go through it a lent with a

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Speaker 1: little more savvy probably and probably a little more poised

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01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: just knowing the different layers and players at stake. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a whole lot that I would

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Speaker 1: say this is like one point that I would just

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Speaker 1: change how this all went, because a lot of it,

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01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: again were things that were dictated, not things that were

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01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: we were dictating. You know, if I were to pitch

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: you to somebody hiring somebody of a leadership in the

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01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: sports world, like hey, you got to talk to Jack

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: easterby Jack Esterby. I've heard a lot about them. What's

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01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: the two sentences that you want? Let what you want

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01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: underneath your name? Well, I would say that there's the

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: first sentence would be you know, and I've said this

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01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: and this, and I've podcast and I've also said it

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: with other speaking engagements. Is number one phrases. It all matters, right,

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: I think that's my belief core of who I am.

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: I think that whether it's how you treat people, or

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: setting a vision, or being willing to sacrifice day late,

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01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: come early, whether it's willing to care for people, whether

1149
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: it's willingness tables, systems that are tough and have ROI

1150
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: metrics that give you good feedback. I think all of

1151
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: those different objectives matter. And when you're trying to hire people,

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01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: you as an owner or potentially as a president of

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01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: a university or whatever, you want to know that the

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01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: person you're hiring believes it all matters. Because in an

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: interview setting, you can have one subset of information and

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: that you talk about a lot. Hey, we'll talk about facilities,

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: all right, here's the facility plan, blah blah blah. But

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: you also know that the facility plan is only going

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: to be one arm of your overall leadership at that university, right,

1160
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: so you've got to be able to have a wide

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01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: range of authority that you're going to offer to the

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: university or potentially the club. And so I would say

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Speaker 1: the first sentence would be at all matters, and then

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Speaker 1: I think second would be that team players sometimes get blamed,

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: but the team gets better. Team players sometimes get blamed,

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01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: but the team right. And so you know, it's the

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01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: analogy I would give you as a basketball player. And

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Speaker 1: I've told this to my wife. I told her I

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: was going to give you this one. Is like, you've

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: got four foules, right, and you know there's eighteen seconds

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01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: left to go, and you're down by one, and you've

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: got four fouls, and you know you're the best chance

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: that your team has is let somebody else fail them, right,

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: and then get into the line. If he makes both,

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01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: no problem, you get the ball back, you can go

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: bang of three. Right. But all of a sudden, you know,

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: you think everybody's gotten back on defense and your garden

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: and you're the only chance to file. So what do

1179
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: you do? Like you let him dribble five more seconds

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: out so that the shooting guard can foul him and

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: risk the fact that maybe he dribbles the clock out,

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01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: or do you bang the foul and do you turn

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: around to your teammate and say, hey, I gotta have

1184
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: it right here, and then the guy tricks off one

1185
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: of the free throws. Now it's a two. Your buddy

1186
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: goes and bangs of three and everybody has a blast.

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: And I think that so that's why I say team

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: players sometimes have to foul and take themselves out of

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Speaker 1: the game in order for the team to get better.

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Speaker 1: And so to me, if you're talking about what is

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: the exact interview speech, it would be, hey, listen, sir,

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Speaker 1: it's it all matters and team players sometimes get planed,

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01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: but the team gets better, and that's Those are the

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: then diagram that I think I would want to describe

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Speaker 1: me and or you know, hopefully my leadership. Well you've

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01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: been awesome. I will point out that the coach should

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: know you have poor powles and send your position of powl.

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01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: You should have subbed you out and put you back in,

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Speaker 1: and I put you in that situation. But I do

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Speaker 1: understand the I do understand the analogy. I get it.

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01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: You're if You're willing to do the tough stuff to

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: even take the blame for the betterment of the team,

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: which is the whole reason, the whole idea of team,

1204
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: which is trying to help each other accomplish a common

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Speaker 1: goal and be better because of our Well, look, this

1206
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: has been awesome. I've learned an immense amount about you

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01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: and about your path, and I kind of have a

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: vision a little bit of what I think is next,

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: but I'll have to just sit idly and wait and

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll text me and tell me when I know

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: it's happening so that I can follow and see what

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Speaker 1: that next st episode. Yeah, well, humbled by that, and

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: appreciate your passion for doing the right thing and tell

1214
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: people to write stories. And you've told some cool stories

1215
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: on your podcast, as you do every day when you

1216
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: report news, and I think you do it fairly and encouragingly.

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: So let's let's keep the keep the dialogue and love

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Speaker 1: it no question, have a great weekend. Thanks for joining Jack.

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Speaker 1: All right, my sincere thanks and gratitude to Jack Easterby.

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: He did not have to share as much as of

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Speaker 1: his time or on his thoughts as he did. Right,

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: I just now you feel like you know the guy

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I have a completely different perspective

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: on who he is, what he's about, And you start

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01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: to kind of conclude to yourself that even when you

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: read a piece on somebody, it doesn't necessarily tell the

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Speaker 1: true story. This is the true Jack Easterby story, hours

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Speaker 1: upon hours of recording interviews with us, just talking about

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Speaker 1: his life, talking about his thoughts, talking about what meetings

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Speaker 1: were like. If you missed any of it, of course,

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Speaker 1: the catalog of it is in the All Ball Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My sincere thanks and gratitude to Jack. I thought those

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Speaker 1: were awesome, fascinating stuff. And oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 1: some great tidbits in terms of leadership and building culture

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Speaker 1: within any organization, be a football, basketball, or even non

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Speaker 1: sports related. Reminded, the Doug Gotlib Show is daily daily

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Speaker 1: three to five Eastern Time, plus we have the in

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Speaker 1: the Bonus podcast, which is kind of a no Hols Barred,

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Speaker 1: anything Goes pod daily regarding all sports. But again, my

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Speaker 1: thanks and gratitude to Jack, my thanks to you for downloading, subscribing,

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Speaker 1: rating might being a review of it as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: Doug Gotlib. This is All Ball