WEBVTT - Kaskade 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.320 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob Left Sets podcast. My 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:12.520 guest this week is DJ Cascade. Great to have you here. Yeah, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.200 thanks for having me. This is awesome. Now, of course 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.680 it's all over the interday. Your name is Ryan Radden. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.320 Is it okay to call you Ryan, call me whatever 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:25.079 you whatever your preference is, okay, So Ryan, some of 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.080 the audience will people will be very familiar with your 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.880 music and with the scene. Do you like the moniker 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:38.400 E d M or not? I think today I don't. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.600 I used to not bother me at all, and I 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.160 mean really and truly it doesn't bother me that much. Um, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.200 But I think E d M has kind of become 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.000 a bad word in the last couple of years. I 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.080 think now almost represents a genre of electronic music that 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.160 I'm not necessarily that closely affiliated with. It's more of 0:00:55.240 --> 0:01:00.560 this big room kind of mayhem, uh, very loud, noxious 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.680 music within electronic music. It's kind of become its own, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.080 little like sub genre. But for me, I'm just glad 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.600 anyone's calling this music anything. Look, I thought from the 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.240 day when it was you know, we were unnoticed. Okay, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.880 but let's stay there for the uninitiated. They read all 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.880 the different genres of dance music, house music, chill, etcetera. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.800 Can you go through and explain those to the audience 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.840 and maybe unfamiliar with them. Uh, I'll do as good 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.080 a job as I can in a in a short, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:33.800 little concise way. Um, house music is just I think 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.760 for me, that's kind of just the very general broad term. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.200 That's just post disco. Just think of disco, right, It's 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.440 kind of what made it through the seventies. It's kind 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.920 of the the eighties version of disco music, and that's 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.120 kind of survived this entire time. That's kind of the 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.240 backbound Disco is the backbone of electronic music, is the 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.520 way I see it, Kid from Chicago. That's my perspective, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.800 very much so. Um. But then chills just like what 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.120 you would think it is. It's relaxed down tempo um. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.680 Trap is kind of a version of hip hop music. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.919 That's uh, you know, modern version of hip hop music. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.720 That's the way I see It's very aggressive um. And 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.880 I mean within each one of these big genres, there's 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.959 fifty subgenres, you know. I mean with trap there's bro 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.959 staff and hard staff, and and then you have drumming bass, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.600 which A lot of this stuff is differentiated by tempo. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.080 Drum basis, you know, sixty per minute, beats per minute yep, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.000 and then houses you know around one tw kind of 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.160 like a disco groove. UM. You know, trance is very 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:48.480 fast like one forty, very synthetic sounding, UM, very synth driven. UM. Yeah, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.240 I don't know. There's so many genres out there, it's 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.160 hard to even I think trance house electro is uh 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:01.800 similar to house but um but much more aggressive sounding. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.840 And that was made popular with kind of E d 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.120 M and Steve Aoki in that wave of artists bloody 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.880 beat roots and that kind of thing that was happening 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.680 a few years ago. So what would you consider your 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:18.720 music to be? Um. I mean, I like to say 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.600 house because I think that's a very broad general term. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.840 But within that, yes, I make chill music. I make 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.640 ambient music that doesn't have it's a tempo, real tempo. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.840 It's just kind of chill stuff, you know. That's that's 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.600 me I mainly make and then I and then I 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.040 have those kind of bigger more I call them big 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.960 room sounds. You know, that's another kind of subgenre of 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.560 house music that's more popular on the main stage, and 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.040 that's basically what I played at the sun Soap Festival. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.120 I had those more chill moments, but you know, I 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.520 kind of go take it up and down. Um yeah, okay. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.400 So you're from Chicago, yes, and uh were born in 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:06.240 Chicago nineventy one. And what did your father do for 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.600 a living? H? Finance? This is why we're in Chicago. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.640 This is kind of a hub of a financial center. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.840 Um helps out savings and loans, has his own business, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.360 goes out there and is helping small banks and savings 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.960 and loans kind of. Um. He developed programs to kind 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.200 of help them the way. So nothing music related at all. Okay, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.240 did your mother worked outside the house? Uh? She did. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.159 She helped my dad a lot, and then she was 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.640 always doing stuff she was what was she doing? Her 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.160 best job was working at the the ski shop there 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.679 that was pretty close to my house. We gotta stop 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.760 here for a second. So you're a snowboarder, Yes i am. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.800 How often do you get to snowboard? Uh? I usually 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.640 go up about one week a year. Okay, yeah, I'm 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.279 of all those kinds of sports. I love to surf 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.840 and run and do all this stuff that snowboarding. I'm 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.159 the best at out of all those. Okay, did you 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.359 snowboard when you lived in Chicago? I did? Okay, what 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.280 do you know, I forget the little will you know? 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.000 That's just get in there. Woman. Woman is a terrible hill. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.039 But I had a lot of fun. My mom on 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.040 Saturday morning would drop me off at the y m 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.520 c A. And for like, I don't know what it was, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.280 twenty or thirty bucks. They would bust the kids up there. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.159 You know, we'd ski for the day and then come back, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.560 you know, come back down. Were you ever skier first? 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.839 Were you always snowboarder? Now? I grew up skiing. I 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.920 mean I'm old enough that you know when I first 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.680 started out, snowboarding didn't even really exist. I was there 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.320 for that first wave when Burton Snowboards were putting out 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.640 these wood snowboards that you would strap in. You know, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.000 you were you wearing Surrell boots that didn't right right 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.320 right right right? You know, I'm going to the sled 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.000 hill and strapping in and going down and testing this out. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.560 Because I was skateboarding from a really young age. So 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.880 when snowboarding came along to me for me, I was like, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.159 oh man, that's what I want to do. And then 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.200 you said your mother worked in the ski shop. She did. Yeah, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.080 she's That's exactly why she worked in the ski shop, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.760 trying to outfit to older brothers, to your sisters, trying 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.920 to outfit five kids kids in ski gears, you know, expensive. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.000 So I think she worked there so she can make 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.280 that happen. Okay, so you're in the middle. I'm the 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.320 middle child, so you know, I'm a middle child tooth 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.680 theoretically overlooked. You know, the hopes and dreams were in 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.160 the older ones. The younger ones you're babied and you're 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.839 kind of ignored and go your own way. I'm pretty 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.080 convinced my parents didn't know my name until, like I 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.520 graduated high Well, how much older your older brothers and 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.880 younger sisters. So, and that's another interesting thing. They waited 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.560 a while for my sister. So I was never in 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.280 high school with them. I was in his school with them. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.360 I was like on my own completely my older brothers. Also, 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.240 the brother'spread above me is four and a half years 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.119 older than me. So by the time he left high school, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.359 I was going in when I was a freshman, he 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.680 was already a freshman in college. So Uh, yeah, I 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.520 was kind of on my own. And then how much 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.760 older your oldest brother, Um, he's only a year older 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.000 than one above me. So, and then what's the age 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:08.520 of your sisters. Um, let's see they're my sister is 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.480 five years younger than me, and then the youngest is 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.520 seven years younger than On some level, when you you know, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.440 the older ones were so old, you know, you you 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.200 never really coexisted, you know, everybody was like so much 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.520 older or younger. Yeah, in the house, we did, we 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.440 definitely co existed. But outside of it, no, we're all 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.120 kind of doing our own things. And you know, in 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.320 the eighties is a different time. We're running around riding 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.880 our bikes. Everybody's just like having fun. There was no Okay, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.840 now you're from north Brook, Illinois. Yes. The only thing 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.240 I know about north Brook, Illinois supposedly the speed skating 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.880 capital of the world. That's wow. You have done your research. Yes, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.000 I watched a lot of TV. I don't know how 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.280 to do. Wow. Yeah, that's right. They practice over there, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.600 right at the sled hill. Um. Uh and uh yeah, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.640 there's a pool over there that I was a lifeguard 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.160 at from many years. Um. But they that's where they 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.840 practiced right by the sled hill. But in the community, 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.200 is it like, is it something where they're trying to 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.400 drag people into the sport or which just happens to 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.600 be there, just happens to be there. And I think, 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.360 you know, they had some success early on, and then 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.880 those guys kept going back to north Brook and it cultivated, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.520 you know, this small group of people and it's it's 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.320 still around. I mean I talked to one of my 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.760 friends the other day and I forget the gold medalists 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.880 that still lives there and you know, trains people there. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.080 I mean they you know, they've got a small facility 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.480 and I don't know, just became one of these things 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.240 that happened in north Brook, Illinois. Okay, so you're in 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.320 north What are your sisters and brothers do for a 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.920 living now or what are their lives about. Um My 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.840 oldest brother, Russ is um Um. He sells satellite dishes 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.920 to trucking companies so truckers can have TV on the road. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.560 That's pretty good. It's an interesting thing. That's his own 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.240 business that he started with a buddy of his. Um 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:59.240 Rich is uh here in um he was into movie producing. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.680 He lives in the Palace Stads as well. Um, but 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:07.240 he stopped that and went into the internet side of things. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.080 He does Zephyr, which their office is actually very close 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.960 to where we're sitting here. Zephyr is a kind of 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:17.480 a um YouTube analytics company and they, you know, work 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:22.080 with YouTube channels. Okay, and your two sisters, two sisters, Um, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.160 let's see, my youngest takes care of her her two kids. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.800 She's in the Bay Area, San Francisco. Um. And then 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.520 my other sister lives close to my mom in Salt Lake. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.840 My mom after my dad, Mom and dad retired, they 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.839 made their way out west. They were in Las Vegas 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.439 for a few years, and then they made their way 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.360 to Salt Lake because a few of my brothers and 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.240 sisters are there. And now everybody's still alive. My dad's 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.960 passed away, but my mom still here and all the 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.920 kids are still here. Okay, So what does everybody think 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:59.240 of your success? Disbelief? Disbelief because of the genre where 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.040 they never believed in you. No, they always believed in me. Becau, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.520 It's like, how Ryan will be fine whatever this guy 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.160 wants to do. My mom's like my youngest sister told 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:14.200 that story recently. Mom said, you're the golden child. Okay, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.760 I don't remember hearing that, but that's awesome. Um yeah, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.439 I think you know, I was a hard worker coming up, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.280 so I think they thought I would have success no 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.640 matter what I You know, all my brothers and sisters 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.000 are successful, you know what I mean. Yeah, but we 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.520 all know if you're successful in dance music, it's incredibly lucrative. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.520 You know. It's not like you go on the rail. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.960 It's like being a comedian. You take your microphone and 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.920 maybe a road manager. There's a little bit more. Maybe 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.600 take your laptop or USB stick or your turntables. But 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.920 there are these high fees which are paraded everywhere in 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.880 the news now, and you have to pay an agent, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.640 maybe you have to pay a manager. But it's very lucrative. Yeah, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.400 and they like to rib me about that. I mean, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.920 you know, typically my family gets together once a year, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.440 at least once a year, and it's usually around July four. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.000 My mom's got a cabin in Idaho over by Jackson Whole, Wyoming, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.720 beautiful part of the country anyway, But typically because of 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.880 my schedule, me and my family, we fly private and 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.680 this causes a lot of you know, hey, what's going 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.920 on here? Guys? Fancy plane coming? So my siblings love 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.640 to you know, where's the airport there? I usually find 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.520 Idaho Falls, but sometimes I've flown into Jackson. Just depends, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.480 you know. Okay. Then another question. You've made all this money. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:43.880 Your relatives asked for money? Not too much? No? Um, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:48.120 I don't know. Are they scared? This might be listening. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.199 I don't say anything you don't want to say. No, 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.960 I listen. On my side of family, I mean people 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.840 have done okay. I don't think anyone is you know, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.480 and whatever. I've been there a few times to help 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.800 out when now needed. But okay, and then you know, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.960 a lot of times rock stars or famous musicians like 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.240 by their parents a house or a car or something. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.280 Did you go through any of that? I haven't. I 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.200 haven't needed to. My dad was he did well? And 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.920 he set it up so that my mom, you know, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.120 it's fine and everyone. Okay. Well let's stay with the 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.160 money because around this topic, what do you do with 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:29.080 the money? Um, I have a couple of houses. Uh, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.880 but there's a lot more money than a couple of houses. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.439 Yes there is. I mean you have it in stocks? 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.440 Do you have it in companies. What do you do 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.280 with that? I've invested a lot of it. Um, I've 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.280 been very conservative. This is this is where I wish 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.679 my dad was alive. You know, he would help us 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.640 the way as things really started to go crazy. Um, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.839 And yeah, you've been able to help me out. But 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.920 you know I've done well. I've I've been very conservative. Okay, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.600 conservative means were like index funds or you're buying blue chips. Okay, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.679 all of that. And are you aware of where all 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.880 your needs? Yes? I am, okay, because you know the 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.520 legendary stories of people not so much recently being ripped 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.400 off by their financial advisors. My wife forwards me every 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.800 single one of those articles. She was my business manager 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.439 for ten years. She's been very involved in my business. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.959 And she was my business manager for ten years and 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.360 that was a hard one to pass over. And you know, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.160 she's always so scared, like where is everything? So yeah, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.000 we keep a close eye on it, and I'm fairly 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.720 involved with where everything is and I get updated. But yeah, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.600 I don't know the biggest thing. You know, I bought 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.559 a really nice car recently, but well I was just 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.560 sort into what car did your body my I should 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.040 say my wife bought a really nice car, Naomi. My 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.760 wife loves to drive. She loves to drive. And now 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.160 she's getting her pilot's license, which we probably get it. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.720 She's getting a helicopter pilot's license, and so we'll probably 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.280 be buying a helicopter here fairly soon. Okay, once time, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.599 once subject, one time. What car did you get? A 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:59.560 Porsche Targa. Okay, But the only thing about helicopters is 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.560 when there's a problem, they go right down. Oh yeah, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.240 I mean, you know, I remember I've told her about this, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.880 and I remember flying in videos on YouTube. I remember 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.080 flying in the helicopter to E d C. Okay, in 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.560 the way over there. You know, it's a it's a 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.480 helicopter full of people or they were all talking and 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.160 whatever on the way back the four thirty in the morning, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.960 and it's just me who's awake, and the thing is 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.120 bouncing up and down. It's not like being in a 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.480 commercial airplane. We said, well, this thing will never crash. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.280 Well it good crash. I think it's still a fairly 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.200 safe way to travel. Okay, just since we're on the 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.520 plane thing, let's go the point. So when you fly private, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.520 do you have a net jet account or an equivalent, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.520 or do you just book every time you go? Typically 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.400 a book every time I go. That's what I'm doing. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.280 Nine nine percent of the time I joined one of 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.120 these things and I haven't even been able to use it. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.640 So why haven't you been able to? Just it doesn't 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.320 work for me. It's one of these like kind of 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.760 you know, jets on demand kind of thing, and you 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.600 get on there and you pay a fee, and every 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.880 time I go on there to use it, it's like 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.280 never working for me. But I don't want to put 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.600 this image out that I'm flying around plat private all 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.960 the time. Well no, Well, with the point being that 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:12.400 people don't understand that it's not about luxury, it's about convenience. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.040 It's like, okay, uh, you know this is why you know, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.200 I don't want to sound go between the halves and 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.480 have nuts. But if you talk about corporations, etcetera, they 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.160 feel the value of time of the CEO. They don't 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.840 want them sitting on the ground waiting to get on 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.080 the plane. For those of us who have flown private, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.640 the greatest things you show up and you leave, so 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.440 you're not burning two hours, you know, right there, So 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.680 you and I'm sure you've had this because all successful 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.800 DJs have where you're playing multiple gigs in a day 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.200 or night. Yes, and the only way to do it 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:50.040 is to fly private, and it economically makes sense. So uh, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.480 you know, I completely understand that, even though people might 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.680 want to judge you on that. But going back to Chicago, 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.920 so you grew up into Chicago, when are you interested 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.000 in music right away? Right away? And your parents playing 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.480 music in the house, Yes, they do, mommy and everything 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.800 from Mormon Tamanac acquired to the b G East, you know, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:17.200 and everything above is like we're getting everything in the house. Um, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.640 and my mom's got a piano in the front room 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.400 and everyone's required to take lessons. So you did take 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.000 piano lessons. I did too for how many years now? 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.640 I quit very quickly, which is the funniest thing. I mean, 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.760 my youngest sister is actually a really great player. I mean, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.000 she lasted the longest, I don't know, the baby of 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.640 the family. I don't know. Maybe she was very diligent, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.760 I should say, Um, but I was the guy who 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.440 quit the quick I mean I lasted like a few 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.440 months and I just threw a tant from my mom. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.160 I think by the third kid, she's like, good, fine, whatever, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.400 you know, she's worn out. So now, did you have 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.880 a record player or stereo system in your room? I did? 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.120 And then in high school I got a bigger system 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.880 in my room. And okay, so when you're in high school, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.800 you say you're an entrepreneurial, did you have jobs? I 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.600 did what you do? I did everything in bad groceries, 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.960 at lasco h Valet, parked cars. I mean, and you 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.240 did that because you wanted the money or your parents 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.679 said you have to work. Both. We worked in the summer. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.840 In my house, we always did that, you know. My 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.119 dad made me mow the lawn and mold bonds. I 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.680 was a lifeguard for many years. Um, but I enjoyed 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.520 having money. I enjoyed having my own money. I mean, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.600 with five kids, there wasn't a lot of extra and 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.800 if there was, it wasn't trickling down to me. Right, Okay, 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.840 So you brought the stereo with your own money? Yep? 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.040 And do you remember what it was? I don't. But 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.280 the big amp that I had was my buddy Chad Calibix. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.200 It was his amp that he would the very first 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.560 keyboard a profit. No, no, no, no, no, no, okay. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.159 First off, talking about listening systems, did you have with 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.760 your money that you made, did you buy a stereos 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.399 you could play room music and not make music, but 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.919 listen to music. Yes, okay, remember what that was? Okay, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.639 nothing flashy, okay. But you were then buying cassette, c ds, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:08.919 vinyl what uh vinyl? There was a dog Ear Records 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.080 very close to my house, which was a thing in 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.359 the Midwest, I believe, and they had an arcade and 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.919 a vinyl section, and I liked vinyl and vinyl was cheaper. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.919 I just liked the format. And so what the kind 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.800 of music? Were you buying a lot of classic rock? 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.720 Because I had told her brothers, you know, led Zeppelin, 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:30.040 the Who, um, you know, the Police. I'm buying all 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.720 this classic rock stuff. This is all coming through. And 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.400 then when my brothers went to college, when the first 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.440 one he came back, and it was like the Cure, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.960 the Smith's And this is when I'm in middle school 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.800 and I started getting into this new wave stuff. Um yeah, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.600 I just man that stuff. Then it was you know, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.480 craft work and more into the electro and technopop and 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.160 like the early electro stuff, and it was a bit 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:59.040 of everything really Okay. Now, famously Chicago is the home 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.280 of house music, that's where it started. Were you aware 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.920 of that to a degree? And I think this play 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.280 is a big part in my story. Well then lay 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:13.359 it on us. Yeah, I think. Look, I'm growing up 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.520 in Chicago. My that summer before, I was a freshman, 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.480 so I've graduated eighth grade, amount of middle school. Um, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.600 my brother that's right above me, Rich is going into 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.280 nightclubs in the city. He's going to college. And they 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.560 had a lot of like all age clubs were a 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.879 thing back their team clubs, juice bars, you know whatever, 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.520 juice bars. Kids are going, they're doing drugs, they're doing whatever, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.440 but they're staying out. Um, you could go to these things. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.960 There wasn't really an age requirement. I mean, I just 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.040 think it was a much more care free time. I 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.680 don't even think that stuff exists now. Um. Anyway, that 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.320 summer I went to my first night club and it 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.960 was a lot of Wax tracks, which was like an 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.399 early industrial ministry and you know, early depeche Mode and 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.800 kind of like heavy sounding stuff but mixed with early 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.399 house records because they're similar tempo. Right, So these things 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.280 that kind of on craft work and all this is 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.080 kind of happening, and that first experience, I was like, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.119 this is it. I mean, I was in I went 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:22.520 to Medusa's was the name of the club, um, whatever. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.840 I'd liked getting on the train, you know, going into 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.960 the city with my brother, We're going out, We're staying 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.120 out til midnight. You know, this was a big deal. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.800 And I just everything about it, the culture, the people, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:39.159 everything around this scene amazed me, and I just was like, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.359 I want to be a part of this. Of course, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.359 I was up at the booth watching what the DJ 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.520 was doing, and the DJ at that point didn't play 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.720 as an important noble role as it does today, but 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.479 it was still kind of an art and a craft 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.240 and I understood that, and I was just very interested. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.880 You know, technically, what is this guy doing. See two 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.960 record players, see this mixer? What is this guy doing? 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.200 You know, he's doing these blends, and you know he's 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.480 playing four in five hours and has this big arc 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.120 through the night and controls the crowd. The whole thing 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.680 was very interesting to me. And the music was very 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:16.280 simple at the time, so me, you know, I had 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.080 musical ideas. I was like, I could do this you know, 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.080 I was looking at the DJ. I'm like, I think 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.240 I understand what he's doing. I could do this anyway. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.159 Fast forward a few years, I kept going to this 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.280 nightclub and going more often, and you know, midweek parties 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.919 started having Okay, but what are your parents saying? My 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.479 parents were cool. They were just kind of like, what 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.119 are you doing in the city. What's going on? I'm like, 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.320 I'm dancing, you know, and they're like, how do you dancing? 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:41.800 What do you My dad thought that was funny, you know, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.280 show us how you dance. What are you doing. I'm like, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.199 we're dancing like this and it's awesome and it's you know, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.320 hundreds of people there and it's a fun time. And 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.720 I think my parents were just happy that I was 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.919 out doing something. Not they didn't care that you were 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.680 out till midnight. As long as I was home on time. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.480 They were cool with it. Because my parents, I was 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.080 a middle child. I mean, they really cracked down on 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.240 my older sister, but they just trusted me I could 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:08.840 do whatever I want to come out. Oh yeah, my 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.040 brother's got the beat down, especially the oldest one. And 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:12.719 that's the way it is. Even my oldest child. Now, 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.359 if she for sure gets the worst. You know, by 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:16.720 the time you get to the second one, you're like 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.240 loosening up. The third one you're like whatever. So in 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.560 any event, you go to the club say hey, I 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:27.200 think I can do this. What's the next up really 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.919 for me? Then I just started buying all these records 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.360 that I'm here because it's not stuff you can really 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.040 get on the radio. And I think this is where 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:38.440 Chicago comes into play, right, because it's accessible. Right, I'm 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:40.919 part of this scene and this click of people that 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.400 are listening to these records and these DJs are playing. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.679 I mean, there's parties going on. Gramophone Records is not 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.000 too far from the nightclub that I'm frequenting, you know, 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.520 it's like three blocks away, so it's in the same neighborhood. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.919 So I could go to Gramophone, which is arguably the 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.920 first specialty like house music record store in the world. Um, 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.919 and I'm flipping through there and I'm it can listen 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.399 all my money at that points going into records and 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.159 I'm like flipping through this stuff. I think my first 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.320 time with a set of turntables because this stuff is 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.840 too expensive, equipments too expensive for Ford, you know, I 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.199 can get a record here and there and whatnot, but 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.680 to get a set of twelve and a mixture that's 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.120 way beyond my reach. Um, A kidd ripped some off 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.040 and we're at his house, one of these houses. He 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.359 ripped off some turntables from where, you know, he's like, 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.160 I saw him in a car, but I could care less. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.560 I just was like, I want to try this. And 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.639 you know, that night, instead of going to the club, 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.639 we're up, you know, for hours, just trying to figure 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.720 out what they're doing and understanding the beat matching and that. 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.040 I mean, it wasn't until years later that I got 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.240 my own set up. And then I was like, okay, cool, 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.200 you know, Okay, so you're in a high school. How 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:52.440 old are you when this friend, uh lifts these turntables? Okay, 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.040 So at this point you're just collecting records, collecting records, okay, 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:00.560 and you do this at the friends house. What do 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.320 you say, Oh, this is just a fun night, or no, 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.160 this is a career path. No, man, just a fun night. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:12.119 I never thought career path until very recently. In the 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.399 in the big picture of this story, it was a 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.800 recent thing. Okay. So when you graduate from high school, 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.640 you still don't own any turntables okay. And how many 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:28.359 records do you think you own? You're an avid collector. Okay. 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.560 So now it comes time to go to college, you 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.199 go to b y U. Okay. Having lived in Utah 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.000 for a couple of years. Although back in the seventies, 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.320 you know, b y U is the epicenter of LDS 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:48.160 and although religious and you are LDS, you are more men. Uh. 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.200 And that would be a place, but it's known as 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:56.280 being a relatively conservative place. Okay, So how does that 0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:02.080 work for you? Uh? Is eye opening? Look a kid 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.399 growing up in Chicago. My my brothers both went to 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.440 be by you and they're like, hey, it's great, it's fun, 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.760 it's cool. And I think that for me, I wanted 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:11.800 to go there because I wanted to be around other Mormons. 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.760 We'll take a quick break and come back with more 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.919 of my conversation with Cascade. Recorded at the tune In 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:28.720 Studios in Venice, California. This podcast is brought to you 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.760 by tune In, which brings together all the live, sports, music, 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:37.320 news and podcasts you love, original live and on demand audio, 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.520 all in one place. Go to tune in dot com 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.800 slash left sets to download and listen. Okay, let's get 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:49.960 back to my conversation with Cascade. Okay, so you've gotta 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:54.000 be yu and your expectations. Recording to your brother is 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.960 gonna be great, but what's your experience. I loved it, 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.840 and I think once again, this kind of plays back 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:04.960 to me launching my career. So I've got creates of 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.240 records and my brothers. I'm in one of these uh 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.880 you know, for lack of a better term, fraternity, it's 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.120 more like a social club. They didn't call fraternities there. 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.040 They get suspended or whatever, but it's essentially a social 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.240 club of fraternity. And they're like, we need to throw 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:19.639 a party and raise some money. And I'm like, I 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.919 got create some records. I know how to spend these things, 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.879 I think. So we hire some mobile DJ guy and 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.080 I'm like, yo, I'll play the music that night. I 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.479 just need your equipment. So that was my first like 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:39.160 real gig. This is nine okay, and how many nights 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.480 had you spend on the turntables? Very few? I mean 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.240 this is like, you know a bunch of kids from 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.120 southern you know, these are all like transplants that are 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.480 living in Provo, Utah. I'm like they're not going to know. 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.880 The difference I'll try is that your attitude in life 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.920 in general, you fake it till you make it. No, 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.960 not really, but I just knew I listen. I was 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.919 confident that I could do it. Okay, So but once again, 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.439 to what degree do you fit in? Kid from in 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:13.200 Chicago and going to nightclubs every night now in conservative Provo, Utah. Um. 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.600 I made lifelong friends there that first year because I 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.879 was meeting kids. I met a kid from San Francisco 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.840 became a really good friend, another kid from Cocoa Beach, Florida. 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.080 You know, I was meeting people from all over the place. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.040 Some kid from Venezuela. So I was meeting all these 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.560 different kids and hearing about their experiences growing up Mormon whatever. 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.959 For me it was it was cool. I not everyone 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.240 has a good experience there, but for me it was great. 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.080 I was the only reason I asked because you didn't 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.639 go back there, you ultimately talking through the University of Utah. 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.919 That was because my lack of studying that first year. 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:44.720 I had a lot of fun that first year. I 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:46.760 was really tan when I went home. It was a 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.200 very warm spring. So when I showed back home, and 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.159 when I showed it back home in Chicago, I was 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.840 like tan from playing frisbee out at the park and 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.719 you know, but let's speak English here. Were you not 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.080 asked back to be while you So I went on 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.359 a mission after my first year, okay? Just so I 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.920 know for traditionally is that when people go, Yes, now 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.879 a lot of kids go before they start school. That 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:12.840 kind of seems like a better time. Now people are 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.840 just you know, go to high school, go on the mission, 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.080 then come back and start college. I went to my 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.960 first year, my freshman year, okay, and then you go 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.239 on the mission to Japan, Japan. But so that's for 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:30.080 two years. Two years. In those two years, do you 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.840 come back to the States at all? No? And you 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:37.720 go to Japan with how many other people as a 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.200 group of eight of us, but there's already like a 0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.000 hundred and sixty missionaries living in might I say Tokyo. 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.200 It's like northern Tokyo and the northern suburbs of Tokyo. 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.040 It's a large area that that covers. So like in 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.040 your town, say Santa Monica, there would be two missionaries, 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:54.520 you know, a station there, and then you go to 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.920 like Culver City, there would be another two missionaries, you know. Okay, 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.280 so you're living with another guy in some sub of 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.600 Tokyo and then you have your own apartment with his job. Yes, 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:08.920 and what's the what are you supposed to do every day? Uh? Proselyte, teach, 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.560 but you talk to people about Yeah, but you don't 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.160 speak Japanese right now? I mean I took a crash 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:18.880 course for two months before you go out, um, which 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.640 is you know, crash course. And how how are you 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.120 going to talk to these people one language wise? And 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.000 what are you going to talk to them about? What's 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.520 what's the right way to approach this? In my life 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.280 up to this point, you know, my conversations about being 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.760 Mormon were like just with my friends from high school 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.560 and whatever, and like oh, hey, this is what I 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.840 believe or what do you believe? And so kind of 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.840 refining that process. And then then really it takes me. 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:50.200 You know, luckily learning Japanese wasn't it wasn't that hard. 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:54.040 I would say, it wasn't that hard for you? People 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.440 are good with languages. I was that was it? It was? 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.440 Which is weird because I failed out of Spanish in 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.800 high school. It's like one of those things I wanted 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.680 to do. I wanted to learn Janace and I was 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.960 there and early on the second place that I lived, 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.160 I was actually living with the Japanese guy. So I'm like, man, 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.880 I better start really hitting the books. And I studied hard. 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:13.880 I mean every day I would up, you know, at 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.600 the crack of dawn, studying for an hour or two 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.360 before we went out. And you know, we're meeting people. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.480 So I was studying and carrying around vocabulary words. But 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.120 I'd say a year into it, I felt like confident 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.520 I could have a discussion. So you how does it 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:31.680 actually work you knock on someone's door, and Japan that's 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.520 kind of culturally a little not so nice. Um So, 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.719 we spent a lot of time because I was in 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.800 or really close to Tokyo the majority of my mission. 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.200 Um So I would hang around the train station a 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.080 lot of times, or and just like walk up to 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.360 random people, Hey, you know, what do you know about 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.720 Jesus Christ, and like have a conversation if they want 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.680 to or not. You know, there's a lot of ceto 0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:01.480 desks like I'm okay, I'm okay, okay, cool um But 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:06.080 and then other times people just referrals they hear about 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.680 somebody who's Mormon and their friends Mormon and they want 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.880 to learn about it or you know, so there's that. Okay, 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.640 So sometimes you're educating people who have already been converted 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.360 to a degree as opposed to trying to find Now 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.200 it's sort of like being a salesman. I would think 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.959 you get a lot of rejection, Yes, a lot, And 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.520 how does that feel? How do you handle? That? Didn't 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.320 bother me really, I mean I grew up in Chicago, 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.040 so I was like, okay, not everyone interested in religion 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.720 like I am. You know, I grew up in a 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.240 Jewish neighborhood. I knew that. You know, this is part 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.240 of the deal. You know, people have different thoughts and 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.440 ideas and and whatever. I think. Missionaries are there and 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.120 my primary job was to speak to people that are 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.040 looking for something and that want help. You know. So okay, cool. 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.560 The key is to find those people, right, to come 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.000 in contact with those people. Okay. So two years go 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.520 by and then you go back to Utah. Yeah, why 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.680 do you not go back to b y Uh? Actually 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.240 I went to New York and worked for a Japanese company. 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.040 I went to New York for a year, which Okay, 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.600 so it's important. So okay, so you gotta b y 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.760 U for a year, you go to Japan for two years, 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:14.400 then you go to New York to work for a 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.640 Japanese company. How does that come together? Uh? I just 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.080 interviewed with the company. I was like, I'm going back. 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.320 I didn't have any money, you know. I was like, 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.040 you know, I got to go back to school. I 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.640 could use the job. So I interviewed with this Japanese 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.680 company that was hiring like a lot of Mormon kids 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.520 because oh cool, these kids can speech Japanese. So we're 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.520 tour guides around the city of New York. Um, which 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.120 is funny. I've been to New York a few times, 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.000 but I didn't know the city that well. So, you know, 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.240 like telling these people about New York City And I 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.200 actually didn't know that much, but I learned. How long 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.960 were you a tour guide? For about a year? And 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.000 you know, wouldn't most people go back to college instead 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.520 of having a tour guide job? Yeah? Probably? Did your 0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.680 parents where your parents concerned that you might not go 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.920 back to college? No? Not at this point, I think 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.560 there's still like what's he doing? I mean they were 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.080 like that a lot around me. What's Ryan doing? Okay? 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.000 So if you're living in New York, do you need 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:13.680 any of their money or you can make enough money 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.160 to make it. I was making money, okay, So New 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.720 York epicenter of dance music are you involved in? I'm 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.040 going out. I'm going out every night that I can. 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.120 I mean, I'm working like a dog. The place worked 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.080 me like crazy. I mean I kept my time sheets 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.640 for a long time because I was like, man, we 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:34.160 could sue these guys, right, we need over time, you know. Um. 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.360 But yeah, I'm going out. A lot of stuff is 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.520 happening because it's two thousand three, two thousand four, I mean, 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.720 dance music is in New York and full swing can't 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.440 be They kept gonna be like, yes, sorry, you very 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.120 much have lost the techade. Okay. I trying to make 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.480 sure here, Okay, okay, so yeah, so but not the 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.360 dance music isn't happening. But if we're working on the timeline, 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.840 so there's a lot of stuff happening up going out 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.200 club USA. It was in full swing. That was right 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.760 there in Times Square, right off of Time to Square. 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.719 Um lion light was happening, um, which there was a 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.640 line Light in Chicago as well that I went to 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.640 in high school. So you know, it was just cool 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.400 dance music had matured a bit more. I'd become more musical. 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:24.440 It was less just drums and bass, less industrial um. 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.239 But that's really at that point. I saved up enough money, 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.560 bought my own setup, went back to Utah. I went 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.160 back to you and bought my own set up. Okay, 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.600 I've got some records, I've got some equipment. I'm playing 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.560 some stuff here and there. I go back to Utah. 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.279 Let's just be clear. You buy the turntables in New 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.280 York or in Utah. In Utah, E mail ordered this stuff. Okay, Okay, 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.759 So if this when you leave New York you're just 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.160 interested in the scene, you go back to Utah, and 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:54.360 what's your plan get through college? Okay? Why do you 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.120 go to the U as they say and salt like 0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:02.719 the University of Utah as opposed to by you? Uh? 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.200 Because I knew I wasn't getting back in to by U. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.759 My first year was terrible. So if you wanted to 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.120 go back to b y U, that would they that 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.120 would have been a problem. It would have I didn't 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.560 even reapply because after you've taken a break, and I've 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.239 been off too and have three years now, and like, okay, 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.680 either reapply and get rejected. I can go to the 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.239 U and the University Utah is a great school, and 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.719 salt Lake is happening place. Thing is when I lived 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.200 in Salt Lake, I lived in the Avenues and we 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.600 were all ski bumps, and uh, I'd already graduated from college. 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.560 With my two roommates. They would go to the U 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.400 and they would sign up for the winter some you know, 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.560 for the spring semester. It would snow when they drop out. 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.799 They eventually graduated, but right up there, I took a 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.040 few winners semesters. Basically off, I'd take one or two classes, 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:50.000 right and you and you'd go snowboarding. Where would you go? 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.520 Brighton had a season passed the Brighton for four years? Okay, 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.640 big cotton Wood can Okay. So now you go back 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.600 to Utah and you do buy the turntables, and you 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.120 buy the Wolf hundreds. Second, and you buy a mixture, 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.839 you say, you buy a mail order. You remember who 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.920 you ordered it from? Prose, sound and stage. Okay, this 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.200 is where everybody's buying the stuff from. They saying these 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.560 catalogs and this is kind of like they were the 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.080 DJ place, you know, but this is back before the internet. 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.120 You know, you'd get these catalogs and right yeah, so okay, 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:20.920 so you have an apartment where you're living in Utah, 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:27.359 uh just right downtown third East. Um. Yeah, and then 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.120 I moved to the avenue is I had an ane. 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.080 I had a house on eleventh Avenue in between D 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.880 and E. Okay, so I mean I was in that 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:37.000 little area. Okay, So you have your turntables, you're going 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.319 to school. How much you work in the turntables and 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:45.120 practicing a lot at that point a lot because I 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.000 had time on my hands. I thought I was busy, 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:52.400 but being a Japanese guid in New York, you weren't busy. 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.359 And at this point you're just having fun and you say, 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.040 I'm gonna get good, I'm gonna work. I'm having fun. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.520 I'm having a lot of fun. I'm snowboarding a and 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:05.839 I'm spinning records a lot record at this point, at 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.960 this point of a much better student because I had 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.880 put my mind that I can get through school. I 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.040 had learned a lot of good study habits while I 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.000 was in Japan. I'll say that I've learned some discipline 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.919 while I was in Tokyo, so that was a good thing. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.640 Came out of it much better student. But I'm spending basically, 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.360 I'm spending my days and nights going to school, spinning 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.840 records and snowboarding. That was it. Okay, when you're spinning 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.640 records just for yourself, you're playing gigs a lot in 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:32.480 my bedroom, just hanging out playing records. And in nine five, 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.160 this is kind of when at all changed for me. 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.480 It was the first time like, oh, you can make 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.120 money doing this. We all of a sudde a part 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.440 time job selling jeans at the Chalk Garden. Do you 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.840 remember Trollie Square of course seventies. I worked at this 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.879 place called the Chock Garden Tarlie Square, and I lost 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.799 my job and I still my parents were helping me 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.560 out at this point. But you were losing You lost 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:58.799 your job. War Oh, I don't know, they're cutting back. 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.800 I don't know. And deeans weren't selling like okay, but 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.640 it was this wasn't wasn't your behavior? No, no, no, okay. 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.360 So your parents were still helping you out a little 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.080 selp me out a little bit, but um, not enough 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.160 that I could just like live on what they're sending me. 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.080 You know, there was a small monthly stipend, and like 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.080 I needed a job to supplement that if I wanted 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.200 to eat um and put gas in the car in 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:25.040 my Honda Accord. So anyway, that's I approached this club 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.239 called Club Manhattan. Was a small club. The capacity was 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.160 two people. That was not making that up the sign 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.640 on the door people and I said, what's your worst 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.400 night of the week, Because I've got crates of records 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.920 that nobody has heard. And by this time, I mean, 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.480 I'd put a lot of time into the craft, you know, 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.560 to three years, I'd honed the craft a bit um 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.680 and he's like, Monday night, I can't get anybody in here. 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.520 Let's start from the beginning. Now, you're living in Utah, 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.640 where you're buying your records. A lot of mail orders 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.040 still from Grammophone, so you could call guys up and 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.560 be like, all right, I've got seventy five box, you 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.080 know what's hot this week, and they'd send you stuff. 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.360 But San Francisco has got a great tweak. In was 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.200 another record store in San Francisco, Lower Hate. They were 0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.040 mail ordering stuff here in l A beating non stop. 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.960 Um was a massive record store in melrose Um. So 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:16.520 there's a lot of guys you could call up and 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.120 they were shipping you stuff. So I'm getting records sent 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.520 to me and is there anybody doing this in Utah? 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.160 Prior to you? Is there anybody there is? So there 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.840 is one record store in Utah. But in terms of 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.480 in terms of DJs, there was some guys doing it. 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.560 There was a dude from San Francisco, Nick Cameron, another 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.120 guy from l a Um. You know, there were guys 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.360 doing it. Okay. So you got to this club and 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.719 you say, and he says Monday nights by weeknight. You say, 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.640 I'm like give it to me. And he's like, all right, 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.799 cool um, and he's like, we'll just split the door. 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:52.480 I'm like, all right, cool, We've got to charge a 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.040 couple of bucks at the door. You know, it was 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.560 mainly students. I was gonna, you know, just hit up 0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:01.080 my friends, you know, call him up. Anyway, Monday night 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.000 was a smash. The first night we did, like foreignered 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.200 people showed up. Okay. That must have been because you 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.960 worked your phone so to speak, you told all your 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.960 friends to come. You know what it was. It was 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.200 snowboarding because me and my roommates, it's a very social thing. 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.040 Just like you said, you had all these skier buddies. 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.640 There's like this community of people, I mean people that 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.320 are coming from like Amsterdam, that lived there for the season. 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:23.239 So we knew all these people because it was not 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.520 only I'm not the only guy snowboard every day, me 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.200 and all my buddies that we're all living together, and 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.799 do we just put the word out? Sure enough foreignered people. Later, 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.520 I'm like, this is a smash. The club owners freaking out. 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:37.680 You know, I'm walking home with like three hundred bucks 0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.640 in my pocket. I'm like, I am king of the world. 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.400 I'm not gonna sell jeans again ever, you know. So 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.239 I that was a lot of money at the time 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.960 for me. Okay, So now it's the following Monday night, 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.640 so it just keeps going. I was there at that 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.000 club for five years doing Monday nights and I only 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.000 missed a couple of them the entire time. So after 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:03.279 you tap the snowboard crew, does word get out in town? Yeah, 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.000 because it's a small town. I mean you're talking like 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.759 what a million people or something like this, So that 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:11.239 whole valley and dude, there's no other competition on Monday night. Like, 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.759 so that was the place if you went out Monday night, 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.799 that was the place to go. So then, you know, 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.520 we raised the door price to five bucks. The entire 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:20.840 cities showing up at this place, it becomes a problem. 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:22.600 The city is trying to shut me down. They wrote 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:26.360 me a few citations to the club, you know, over overcrowding, 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.759 all this stuff, you know, serving a mind, you know. 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.160 So it was a hit, and then I started doing 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.239 other I did a Thursday night for them, and then 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:38.080 people around town started hiring me. Um. But all of 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:40.920 this is happening, and it's the first time I had 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.200 a little bit of cash. So I started buying studio 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.399 equipment about my first day to eight drum machine, rolling 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.239 nine O nine and other drum machine and s H 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:53.040 one O one small keyboards. I started like amassing equipment 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.879 and that's how it's spending my days, so that by 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.880 this time I'm out of school. I'm like, okay, I 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:05.319 I love this Madonna record, Vogue whatever, but I don't 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:09.160 like the arrangement. So I start getting in digital audio workstation. 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:14.640 I had a you know, a Mac you know, pretty 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:19.080 basic Mac but I had a four track pro tools 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.760 set up on there on my first copy of Logic, 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.200 and that's really where I just started getting into it. 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.960 And then it's just like all in. Once that happened 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:29.760 and I had a small setup, I was like, okay, 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.200 this is what I was doing every day. UM. And 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:36.720 I put together put together my first kind of record 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:42.160 that I sold commercially. Um, and it's a bad record. 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.800 How did you do that? Though? You recorded it, and 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.600 how did you get it in terms of press distributed, etcetera. 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.799 So press the Rainbow Records, Rainbow Records, Yeah, it used 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:57.120 to be. Okay, I've been marrigelist, right, So I called 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.120 those guys up. And that's what people on the West coast, 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.000 that's where who they were, right, We're kind of like 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:06.480 the premier guys. Um. And uh. During all this the 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.239 records store UM that was local in town, which I 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:14.560 basically was hanging out a lot. You know, it's very 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.520 John Cusack, you know, like hanging out just like arguing 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.759 over what records are better. And you know, this is 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.680 where you know, practice tej. It's just like where all 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.319 the DJs were hanging out. Um. But one of the 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:30.120 owners left, uh to to go work in Korea for 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.400 the Olympics, so I bought her half out. So I 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.120 was part owner in this record store. But I had 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.960 a relationship with the record distributors. So I was like, listen, 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.439 I buy thousands of dollars records from you guys every week. 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.160 I've got a record I'm gonna sell to you, and 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.520 you guys are gonna buy it. I don't care if 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.040 you think it's crap. And they did. They bought it. Okay, 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:49.040 but did anybody vided retail? Uh yeah, I mean listen, 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.520 we're talking back then. A couple of thousand copies was 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.520 the success, right, You're making like a thousand bucks, Oh 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.719 my gosh. Yeah. But you know, so the people in 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.520 Utah bought it. They knew who you were. Yeah. But 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:01.839 and it was a drum and bass record, so it's 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.280 a very niche thing. It was a very like London 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:09.680 sounding record. Um. You know, it's hard to even track 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.719 at that point because you're just selling it. But the 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.320 point is you make a deal, you ship the records. 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.160 If they don't tell, they usually come back. Yeah, they 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.319 didn't come back, so so you assume they sold such 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:27.080 a small quantity. Okay, but even so a thousand records, 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.600 somebody had to buy it. Okay, so you make that record, 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:36.080 what's the next step? Um, well, this is kind of 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.880 you know, late nineties, so things are starting to happen 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.000 again for dance music because the late nineties early two 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.760 thousand's that was kind of that first wave of moby 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.759 and you know what do they called it? Electronica? And 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.960 you know, everybody was bracing for this thing that was 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:58.640 coming that never came. But um, you know, so I 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.640 was getting gigs and I was starting to do stuff, 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:07.080 and um, my wife at this point, uh, well married 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.440 in ninety six, so a little a little bit slower. 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:15.279 How do you meet your wife snowboarding? Really? And did 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.239 she what was she doing in Salt Lake that She's 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.560 from northern California. She was one of these girls who 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:25.799 would come to Salt Lake. I met her, Um, she 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:30.120 came back and I met her again, because it would 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:31.440 just come up for the season, right, this is where 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:36.160 these people do these guys, Yeah, they exactly, yeah, and 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:37.880 you know, and they'd ride and you'd see them and 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:39.400 you'd be friends with them, and then they'd leave and 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.600 I'd stay there. Did she go to college? She she 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:47.560 graduated from you. So then so you know her for 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.520 a couple of years before becomes of romance. No, I 0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.200 knew her. I met her, she came back, and right 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:55.759 away I was interested in. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.120 I remember her from last year. She's awesome, you know, 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:05.319 and she responds, yeah, it's good. Okay, Okay, So how 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.880 long after you meet or do you get married? Eight months? 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:13.640 Eight months? Well, it's last day, so it's good. I mean, listen, 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:20.319 in Mormon world, that's like that's that's ten years. So yeah, 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.719 I was quick because okay, so you get married, how 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.640 big a ceremony is it? Um? Hundred friends and family 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:34.520 in San Francisco? Um, what's the entertainment? Okay? No, DJ okay. 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.520 So anyway, you're living in Utah, you're married, You're on 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.760 the half of this record store. So what happens next? 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.799 You put out a record, put out a record, you 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.640 know whatever, a little bit of success. Um, well, I 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.800 just kind of start noticing the industry. I'm like, who's 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.120 successful in this industry and what's working? And I'm kind 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.920 of just trying to pay attention because I'm like, can 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.280 I make a living doing this? Like? How does it work? 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.440 You know? Um? Because here I am the kid of 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.000 a conservative family, and my dad was just conservative across 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.960 the board, meaning financially. He was very like, you know, 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.480 go to college, get a degree, get a job, you know, 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.000 just follow the path, you know, stay on course, you know. 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.280 And here I am like, I want to do music 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.120 like and I wasn't even necessarily saying that because I 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.200 was scared to say that out loud because I didn't 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.799 want to. I wanted to be successful. So I was like, 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.400 I don't know, music is fun and right, right, right, right, 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.400 but I'm trying to do all this other stuff. I 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.200 was working in an ad agency for a brief period 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.279 of time, you know, doing graphic design for them, and um, 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.120 you know, I felt really comfortable on a computer. So 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:40.879 I was doing various jobs here and there. Um, but 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:45.600 really I just started to understand how the business of 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.760 independent music was working. And I should say, independent dance music, Okay, 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:51.760 you can press the record, you can sell it, Okay, 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.719 you can get these gigs. And I slowly started getting 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.200 gigs outside of Utah, very slowly. Where the very first 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.760 gig I went to outside of Utah was in Soul, Korea. 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.040 This guy is like he's passing through salt Lake gets 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.120 one of my mix tapes. He's like, this is brilliant. 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.719 I'll fly out here for a ticket and you play 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.000 for nothing, but you can stay on my couch. And 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.200 I'm like, all right, cool. Late nineties. I go to Korea, 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:17.880 I get a you know, I get a gig in 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.160 Orange County. Like little things are happening, very small things, 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.400 but I think it was enough to be like, Okay, 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.160 potentially this could work. You're just gonna keep doing it. 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.239 Not only that, the club is still happening at this time, 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.400 so I'm still making money doing it, um, you know, 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:35.200 and I'm just buying I mean, dude, I'm buying so 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.640 much music because I'm just a junkie at this point. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.680 I'm just buying music, buying studio gear, and you know, 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:42.799 putting nothing into like where I live. You know, I'm 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.120 still living like a college student, needing like five dollar 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.000 pizza every night. You know. So it's all going into 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.520 music and studio equipment. Um. And really, when my wife 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:57.400 graduated in two thousand, uh, she's like cool, she's not 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.719 from salt Lake. She didn't feel any attachment to that 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:01.720 play ace. And you know, I've been there for seven 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:06.040 years or eight years whatever, adding all this time up 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.120 of me going in and out of that place. I 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.880 didn't really either. And I was like, okay, cool, you know, 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:14.480 I'd spent some time in New York, and so let's 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.520 go to New York. She's like, no, let's go to 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.840 San Francisco where she's from. She's from Reading, which is 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:24.520 way north. Oh yeah, that's not San Francisco. No, it's 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:28.680 not not at all. Um, that's a stretch. But her 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.719 grandma lived in San Francisco, and she felt like that's 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.839 a place, and that's happening. And I think a lot 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.840 of Reading people kind of end up in San Francisco 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:37.880 at her you know, or Santa Cruz or you know, 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.600 in that area. We just were like, okay, whoever can 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.920 get a job first, that's where we'll go. So at 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.920 the time, you know, I'm emailing my attaching my resume 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.120 and sending it out to these job places in New York, 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.239 which was a very tech thing at the time. I 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.960 was very proud of me to be able to do that. Um, 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.720 and she just got in the car. I mean maybe 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.000 like not even a week after we graduate, she packed 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.279 up the car and drove San Francisco calls me up 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.239 like three days later. It's like, I got a job. Okay, wait, 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.399 just stop you a little bit. You're married, you living 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.759 in a couple. She's leaves, she packs up the car 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.400 and goes to York and says it goes San Francisco 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.319 and says, what I've got it because we had this 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.000 kind of thing going. Whoever gets a jibo. But when 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.200 you say when she left Salt like she didn't have 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:21.279 the job. No, She's like, I'm gonna go there and 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.080 get a job. Which, if I'm sure, if I would 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:24.480 have flown to New York, I probably have been a 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.400 lot more successful, you know, Okay, should be there in 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:30.040 people's faces. And she understood that. Okay. So she goes 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.720 San Francisco, gets what kind of job? I'm just working 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:35.200 for like one of these dot com you know things 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.759 that's happening. Okay. So she calls you and says, this 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:39.640 is our deal. You gotta move out. She's like, I 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.920 got a job. It's a great job, pays okay, you know, 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:48.000 loaded up, And I'm like, oh man, she did it. 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.560 So I loaded up, we moved to San Francisco. UM, 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:57.239 definitely take a step back in lifestyle move into a 0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:01.360 crumby apartment that was terrible. I couldn't fit my studio 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:04.400 into you know, my gear, my racks of gear. I'm like, 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.759 I can't fit into this. This is but it's all 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.160 we could afford at the time, So don't What do 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:10.640 you do with the stuff? I put this stuff in 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:16.160 storage momentarily, um and until I figured out something. You know, 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:17.919 it took me a while to figure some stuff out, 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.600 a few variations of living. You know, we're bouncing around 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.080 in different apartments. When we first got there, we just 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:24.879 lived with a friend you know, crash on his floor 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.080 apartment and it was tough. I mean, but saying the 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:33.480 cool thing, and this is crucial to my story, I think, Um, 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.880 I kind of saw this wave again of excitement. I mean, 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.640 San Francisco in the early two thousand's was just crazy. 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.680 There's piles of money being loaded into the city. The 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.040 dot com thing is going crazy. Rents are going through 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.120 the roof, but everyone's out partying every night. So the 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:52.160 club scene and just deejaying is just it's going crazy. 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:55.120 The whole thing is going crazy. So I recognized that 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.200 because I had experienced that first wave in Chicago when 0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:01.400 I saw house music break, which it took me moving 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.160 to Salt Lake to be like, oh man, not everywhere 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:09.720 is experiencing this. That was That was Chicago, New York, London. Wow. 0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.600 You know. I had to get that separation, that distance 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.240 to be able to look at it and be like, wow, 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.359 I was in the middle of something that was a 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.279 cultural phenomenon and I had no idea. But I was 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:24.040 more of kind of onlooker, you know. I wasn't like 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.640 actively participating. I mean, I was going out and dancing, 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.279 but I wasn't like making waves. I wasn't one of 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:31.919 these guys setting the trends. I was just following them. 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:34.960 But in San Francisco, I kind of realized that a 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.759 second wave was happening, and it was going on there 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:39.680 in the city. And part of that, I think was 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:42.799 because the arts were flourishing, because there was so much 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.520 money around, so all these artists and studios and just 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.759 so much was going on in the city. Um, and 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:52.279 this is when Naked Records and Home Records and all 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.200 these little like boutique small labels that I was paying 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:59.799 attention to really started to thrive. Um. And I got 0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:02.480 a record at I got a job at Own Records. 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.239 Just to be clear, you moved to San Francisco, your 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.200 wife has his job before you get the job at 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:10.560 Own Records, or do you have a different job. I 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:13.759 went to the distributor that I was buying records from 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.160 in San Francisco, TRC Distribution, and worked for them for 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:20.319 a few months until I got my job with the label. Okay, 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.200 how many people worked at home when you work there? Um, 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.600 it's about ten full employees. How hard was it to 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:29.840 get that job? My timing was good, the owner needed 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.000 an assistant, and I had been pitching the music. I 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.480 had been sending them some of my demos and had 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.719 bought one of them under a different Moniker. Skylight was 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.080 this other thing. So I had a relationship with the owner. 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.120 I showed up. I didn't, you know, have anything going on. 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:46.520 I'm working at this distributor. It's like basically just at 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:50.000 an art you know, a warehouse fulfilling record store orders, 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.480 you know, and talking to record stores on the phone. Um, 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:57.680 And he's like, yeah, the guy who has your job 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.600 is just left. He left to do this digital thing. 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.719 iTunes are going to start this thing over Apple. I 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.200 don't know if this is gonna work. You know who 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.360 knows Bruno you Bara had just recently left. That was 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.320 his old assistant, and he was there at the ground 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:16.360 floor when they started iTunes um And you know, funny 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.320 to think back on that. Um, but yes, I stepped 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.440 into his spot and they needed somebody and it was 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.719 cool because I could I could listen to all the 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.520 demos and filter stuff through to the boss. And and 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:30.879 but I was also a DJ, and I was also 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:33.120 pitching him demos, and I could run their studio. They 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.120 had a small studio, so I was running sessions at 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.120 that studio. By this time, I've got some time under 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.759 my belt and I feel, you know, fairly comfortable at 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:42.960 a at a mixing desk, and like, I know what 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.759 I'm doing. Um. And it was a help that I 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.879 had graphic design stuff too, so you know, I mean, 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.480 at these small labels, everybody does everything right. We're all 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.000 pitching him to make this thing move on, and it 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:55.560 was working and it was a good time for them. 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.640 They had a compilation series, the you know early two 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:02.720 thousand compilations were doing really well. Um. That a compilation series, 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.760 the Home Lounge that was doing awesome. And Mark Farina 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.920 with Mushroom jazz. He's one of their premier artists on 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.480 that label, and it was a fun time and I 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:18.360 was there for a couple of years until well, I 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.000 launched the name Cascade really soon after I got there 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.520 and got more demos in the mix and my my, 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.720 I was making music then that I felt like, Okay, 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:31.239 this is commercially viable. And I was influenced by the 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.239 scene and what was happening. It was kind of this 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:37.200 hybrid of Chicago meets San Francisco because San Francisco house 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.600 music was very melodic compared to Chicago. Chicago stuff was 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:46.440 very gritty, very you know, eight bits sounding very low fi, 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:49.960 and San Francisco was more smooth and beautiful and melodic. 0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:51.919 So I was like, I can marry these two worlds 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.080 and I make my own sound. Um. But that was 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.600 another thing. I think that was the first time I 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:01.240 experienced then this is kind of like remember sneaker pimps 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.000 and stuff. That wave of kind of down Tomple electronic 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:08.440 music was happening, and it was clear to me that 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:13.239 songwriting was an important part of what electronic music was 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:18.200 going because back dude, even to this day of electronic music, 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.960 instrumental you know, uh, and I sat in on these 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.200 sessions and I was getting hired for remixes and the 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:29.000 remixes were doing well, and I was like, man, production 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.160 styles here and are there? I mean, I have my 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.960 own preferences of how I like things to sound, but 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:37.000 songwriting is really the key. I mean, if you write 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.560 a good song, it stays, you can produce it this 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.759 way or that, when it doesn't matter, people are gonna 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.560 love it. So that's what with that idea is where 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.000 I launched Cascade. I'm like, this is going to be 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:50.760 melodic based. Because up in the until Ryan Radden tracks 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.640 and raid On tracks and all these other little names 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:56.880 that I was testing out, we're just me experimenting. But 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:58.840 with Cascade, I was like, it's going to be more melodic, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.080 it's gonna be song based, and I'm gonna try my 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:04.359 handed songwriting. Because I had a friend who was like, man, 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.719 your dude, it's all about songwriting, and you're a pretty 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.600 good writer. You should you know. You need to try 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.279 and put your ideas into a song and that's really 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.839 what's gonna set you apart. And I agreed. So then 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.720 I was like, Okay, cool, that's my that's my lane. 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.840 Because I could see that the guys that were doing successful, 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.880 they all kind of had their thing. You know. Mcgallen 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:25.760 Niggs was huge in the city at the time, and 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.840 he was like, you know, he had his thing. He 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.160 had a whole vibe and his music had this style. 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.000 So anyway, that's that's kind of we're up to that point. Okay. 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:38.400 Two questions. How long after you moved to San Francisco 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:40.520 do you move to a place where your equipment can 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:45.960 be in the apartment? Yourn a couple of years, okay, 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.520 so you really can only work when you're at home. 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:49.920 Actually it was a year and a half now that 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:51.840 I think about it. I was on Polk Street. Yeah, 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:53.800 I was working at home, So was a bunch of 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.840 my equipment into home, now that I think about that, Okay, 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:59.120 And although one can look it up on the internet, 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.080 people are certainly going be fascinated. How do you come 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:05.560 up with the name Casscade? I had sold some music 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:09.400 to a Chicago label and it was the first kind 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:14.360 of jaunt in this more song based stuff. And it's 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:17.160 funny the A and R over there Lady D who's 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.560 an accomplished DJ in her own right and producer and whatnot. 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.200 I was like, I don't want to name it Ryan 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.560 Rad and she's like, well, you got two weeks to 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.080 come give me a name, you know, because this thing 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:29.760 is gonna go to press and we've gotta do art work. 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:31.760 So take the two weeks and you know, whenever two 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.280 weeks goes by, and like, literally the night before I'm 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:35.920 just like flipping through a nature book and there's a 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:37.840 picture of a waterfall and I'm like cascade. And I 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:39.480 go to my wife, Hey, what do you think a cascade? 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:41.840 And then you know, the next day at launch, you know, 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:43.040 we're all sitting there in the office and what do 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:45.960 you guys think a cascade? And they're like, yeah, it's cool, 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.520 it's memorable. Cascade is super memorable. And I just liked 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.760 the idea because I wanted it. I wanted the sound 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.120 of this project to be more organic. I wanted it 0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.200 to feel and I always liked nature and I thought 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.040 cascade is cool. And then my wife is like, oh, 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.280 but there's you got to change the spelling. I'm like, 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.320 I'll just use kids instead of seas and no, I 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:06.160 don't know because she's like, oh, there's a dish detergent. 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:08.360 That's that. And I'm like, okay, we'll change the spelling. 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:10.200 And that was it. And it's funny when I called 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.200 the and are like, all right, I've got the name, 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:13.880 She's like, it took you two weeks to come up 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:21.880 with that? Are you serious? Oh man? To like, she 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:29.160 just brought me right back down to earth. You're listening 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.480 to my conversation with Cascade, recorded at the tune In 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:39.720 Studios in Venice, California. I hope you're enjoying this episode 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.280 of the Bomb Left Sets podcast. If you want to 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:46.040 see videos, photos, and sound bites from Cascade and our 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:50.080 other guests, visit apt tune in on Twitter, Facebook, and 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:54.040 Instagram to see them with me in the studio. Now 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.080 more of my chat with Cascade on the Bob Left 0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:04.600 Sets Podcast. Okay, so at this point we're in what year, um, 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:08.160 two thousand three, two thousand three. What's your wife doing? 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:12.320 She got a job? The dot com thing fizzled out, whatever, 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:15.440 she got a job working for Levi Strauss. Their headquarters 1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:17.960 is there in San Francisco, is working at their office? 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:20.960 And what about that? What about issues of kids? No 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:25.840 kids yet? Okay, we're still just loving life. Okay. Okay, 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.760 so you suddenly your a cascade and they press up 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:33.560 this record, cascade. What's the next step? Um grinding it 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:37.120 really from two thousand and three to the first like 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:40.640 seven eight nine years. Really things started change in two thousand, 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:42.640 eight thousand, nine thousand and ten. I think two thousand 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.240 ten was kind of like a two thousand, nine thousand ten. 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:50.080 That's when things changed. But up until then, just grinding. 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.520 I was working the job, you know, fifty hours a week, 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.880 and then I'm just in the studio every waking moment. 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:57.880 It's good that we didn't have kids, because I'm sure 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.760 our relationship would have been destroyed. I was already hanging 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:02.680 on by a threat because it's like, I'm in the studio, 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:04.560 I'm at work. I'm in the studio, at work. But 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:07.680 it was fun because you know, we're young, and we're 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:10.360 enjoying the city and having a great time. And she's 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:12.520 got a lot of friends in the Bay Area. So 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.040 it worked. But I was putting out more records, putting 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:18.120 out more records, seeing a little success, and I started 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:24.000 touring a lot. Okay, how did you start touring? Um 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.720 after Home? Put me out on a couple of compilations 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:28.479 and put out a couple of singles, That's when people 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:32.600 started taking note because that record kind of had had 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:36.960 cloud within this little scene, right and uh so when 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:38.520 they kind of were like, hey, this guy's cool and 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:41.800 he's making cool music, that changed things. So people started 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:43.800 phoning me up, and I got a booking agent and 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:45.880 it was very She was in house at Owned Records 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:47.720 for all the little small time artists that are big 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.880 enough to have a real booking agent. They would call 1:01:49.960 --> 1:01:51.640 through her and all the requests would come through her, 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:55.760 and um I started digging, and then um I did 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:59.640 my first like, uh, Australia to where I did, Like, well, well, 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:01.880 before you get to Westralia, you're digging in the United 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:06.960 States all over the place, how often almost every weekend, 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:10.760 almost every weekend, and you're driving yourself there. You're flying flying. 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:13.440 I'm solo, no tour manage or nothing like that, just 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:15.960 flying to these places. I mean, these gigs are playing 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:20.120 like five, so you need a couple of those a week, 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:23.480 you know, seven, eight, nine thousand bucks. O man, Okay, cool, 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:25.840 I can make a living. You know, I'm doing anywhere 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:28.600 from like five gigs a month to ten gigs a month, 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.919 and you're still working, a still getting paid, a still 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.200 getting paid at on that came to a crash landing. 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:35.960 I kind of screwed up one of the projects while 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:39.200 I was away. Um, the artwork files weren't right. And 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:42.000 I came back and he's like, look, it's cool, You're 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:43.600 things starting to take off. You're not gonna be able 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:45.280 to do both of these, but I wasn't at a 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:48.200 point where we could survive. I needed both incomes really 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:52.400 um to be living in San Francisco. So uh, he 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:56.400 cut me away, which was very nice of him. Um. 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:58.880 Chris Smith, the guy ran, I was really nice of him. 1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:01.720 Where was he today? He's still running own records, still 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:07.120 in San Francisco, um um. And I took my wife 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.880 out to a very nice dinner that I couldn't afford 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:15.240 and said, hey, I've lost my job, but we're gonna 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:17.280 be all right. And I felt that way. I was like, 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:19.160 we'll be all right. I think this is gonna work. 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:21.480 You know. I started feeling more and more confident when 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.320 I was out there. I just needed some more time 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:28.080 to kind of like gain get some steam going. Um. 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:30.800 And I don't know, I think back then it was 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:33.240 just such a hustle because there was so little money. 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:36.640 I think back then people were seeing me as successful. 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:39.800 But you know whatever, I'm making sixties seventy thousand dollars 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:43.400 a year living in San Francisco. We're dying. We're going 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:48.160 under each month, just a little bit farther um. But 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:51.320 I just kept that at you know, I don't know why, 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:55.040 just because what I knew how to do it. By 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:58.160 this time, I've got a decade or more of history. 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:00.440 I understood the industry. It's like, I don't know what 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.040 else ide do at this point, you know, and you're 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:05.760 talking about going to Australia. So ine to Australia. Yeah, 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:09.600 that's when the Debaco happened. I came back and he's like, 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:11.720 you're screwed up. Okay, So now you're continually living in 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:15.720 San Francisco and it's not working economically. The same woman 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:19.240 at Olms still booking you. Yep, okay, So what's the 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:22.480 next step? And then I get a manager, uh, Stephanie Lefera. 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.720 I forget what year that was. It was about let's see, 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:31.400 I knows it was just two thousand four, two five, Yeah, 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:33.360 right around there, two thousand five, two thousand and six, 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.600 something like this. She hears my music, she's based in 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:38.920 New York. She's working at the office that books mobi 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:42.120 and manage them. And she's a young intern kind of 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:45.640 assistant coming up, finds my music, loves it. Hey, can 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:48.480 I help you out? I'm like, sure, how much does 1:04:48.480 --> 1:04:52.520 that cost you? How do you do this? You know? Um? 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:54.880 And so then I kind of had a small team going. 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:58.200 I had me a manager, a booking agent, and it 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.240 slowly started to grow. And how many nights to work 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:05.360 week are you working? Then I'm taking every gig that 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.840 I can take. It didn't even matter. I mean they 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:09.320 didn't know that at the time, that they referred me 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.439 two d dollars or a thousand dollars that I would 1:05:11.480 --> 1:05:13.320 take it. It didn't matter. I mean I was playing 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:15.840 gigs for next to nothing. But back then that was 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:19.080 super crucial because nobody there's no radio stations. There's no 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:21.000 way to get people to hear your music. You know, 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:23.360 there's no Spotify, there's no there's no The only way 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:25.640 they play people your music is to get out there 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:27.640 and play the nightclubs. And there are a clique of 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:30.600 kids that were very devoted to the underground. Like there 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.280 is now, it's just much bigger and it's more of 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:37.360 a festival scene now, but you know there's underground house 1:05:37.440 --> 1:05:40.760 music clubs and every city from New York to l 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:44.080 A and Tokyo whatever. They're all over the place. There 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:46.080 have been a wave of guys that had come before me, 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.720 that Eric Morrillo's and the Junior Vasquez and Derek Carter's 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:51.760 and Mark Freenez that had already kind of set up 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:55.560 a platform for me to exist in UM. So I 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:57.560 just was kind of following suit and doing what I 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:00.920 could do UM. But I was definitely like that second 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.200 or third generation of guys coming. So it's hard to 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:05.840 break in, you know, it's very hard. So what was 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:13.200 the break? I never really had that ah ha moment. 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:15.840 I had a few things along the way. I think 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:18.680 for me. The biggest moment where I knew things were 1:06:18.760 --> 1:06:22.240 changing and I knew like the old guard was that 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:24.680 didn't matter as much anymore. As much as I love them, 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:27.280 I think their relevancy was wearing off. Was two thousand 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:29.920 and nine when I played E. D C. I played 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.360 the main stage and I had had a string of 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:34.880 hits and when I say hits, hits in the underground 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:36.840 where I could play them to a club of three 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:40.000 people and people were singing along, and I'm like, damn, 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:42.840 this is working, right. I didn't no matter where I 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.160 was in the world, these people knew this record. So 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:48.320 not only am I playing it my FM station, was 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:52.400 these thousands of DJs across the planet that we're getting 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:54.640 there and playing my music on Friday and Saturday night 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:57.360 in their local clubs. So they're playing these mixes. I'm 1:06:57.400 --> 1:07:00.000 showing up and people are knowing them. So more promote 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:01.760 as are like, man, the club's packed when you're here, 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:04.240 you know. So at this point, I'm just rolling. I'm 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:07.920 doing two fifty shows a year. I'm starting a family. 1:07:07.960 --> 1:07:11.120 At this point, I mean, it's just getting chaotic. It 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:15.680 sounds like and so Okay, you continue to have the 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:20.200 same manager in the same agent. Yes, small change agents 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:23.120 a few times along the way, Okay, how does that happen? 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.880 You realize that person is not big enough for what 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:30.360 you're doing, or someone approaches you this person is not 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:34.680 big enough for what I'm doing. I gotta start looking elsewhere. Okay, 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:37.040 you're starting a family and you're on the road for 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:39.400 two and fifty days a year. That doesn't sound like 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:43.560 it's gonna work. It's a freaking miracle that it did. 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.160 I can't when I look back to those times. So's 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:50.080 some dark days there, but I was having so much 1:07:50.120 --> 1:07:53.800 fun and my wife Naomi, bless her so she stood 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:56.440 by me this entire time. I mean, I don't know 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.320 how we made it work. Okay, back on it. We 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:00.840 were young and dombint we didn't know any for getting 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:04.560 the family. Just talking about Naomi. Did does she like 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:08.280 your music? She does? She loves house music, okay. You 1:08:08.320 --> 1:08:10.840 know she was driving from Reading into San Francisco and 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:13.040 going to their rave scene that they had then and 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:17.040 with similar tastings. Okay. And did she believe in you? 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:22.479 She did? She didn't. She didn't tell me no, but 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:25.000 was she You're like your greatest champion saying she was? 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:27.960 She was like out there do it okay, and she's 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:31.519 you know, a really hard worker and understood that. Okay, 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:34.479 this is important for you to keep doing these gigs. 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:39.400 It is slowly getting better and better with each year. Um. 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:42.200 But going back two thousand and nine is when E 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:47.880 d C. I sat down with the Pascuala and I'm 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.920 good friend. I mean, I DJE DJed his wedding, I 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.720 played his mom's funeral. I've known Pascual for years. This 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:56.920 guy's booked me so many times I could had lost 1:08:56.960 --> 1:09:00.519 count um and he was a champion of me and 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:04.080 my sound. So that was that helped. It was a 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:09.240 game changer. But I think a lot of American promoters 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:12.880 felt the pressure and they saw electronic music as a 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:17.719 European thing, you know, house music, and it was always 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:21.680 it was such, it had that kind of you know, 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:23.559 people listen to house music are the people who ordered 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:25.439 the cheese platter. You know. It's kind of like it 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:28.000 was a different kind of thing. What was funny because 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:29.960 where I came from it was very blue collar. It 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:32.559 was like the working class music in Chicago was like, yeah, 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:34.600 I get down and dirty and a you know, in 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:38.800 a ugly nightclub. So I had a very different thought 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:40.920 process and they did. Anyway, around two thousand and eight, 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:44.240 two thousand nine, a lot more guys are coming over 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.479 because money starts kind of pouring into the scene. These 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:48.880 rays are getting bigger, the clubs are getting bigger. Things 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:53.040 are changing. I'm making a good living now. Um. But 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:54.799 I sat down with him in a room and pounded 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:58.759 on the he he had booked the Swedish house Mafia. 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:03.040 Nobody really knew at the time in America. And I 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:05.360 sat down and I pounded on the table and like, 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.960 this is freaking crap. Man, you gotta have my back. 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:11.960 These guys. Nobody knows these guys. That's wonderful that they're 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:15.160 huge in Stockholm or that they are massive in London. 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:19.559 I don't care. I'm here in freaking California. Man, you 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:22.960 can't do me like this. I got really upset. And 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:25.080 he remembers me, and I was pounding on the table. 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:27.000 He's like, I've never seen you like this. You're so passive. 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:30.200 I'm like, well, I'm not going to take these guys scraps, dude. 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:32.880 I'm playing rooms three times the size of what these 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:35.280 guys are doing when they come here, because I'm here, 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:38.400 I'm this is this is my circuit, bro. And I 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:40.720 think they felt a lot of pressure from the European 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.960 agents and promoters and all that that well there's you 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:47.559 know over there. This was the first taste of well 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.599 on social media, they have these numbers and on this 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:52.799 and that. Because up till this point in the underground 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.799 it was hard to distinguish had value and who didn't. 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:58.519 It was mainly who just thumped their chest. The loudest. 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.160 That guy must be huge. You know. Then YouTube came 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:04.839 along and you start pictures of these peoples and videos 1:11:04.840 --> 1:11:07.720 of their shows, like, wow, they're huge anyway. But in 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:11.800 two thousand nine, I played that main stage, so you 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.400 can played the main stage because you basically bang your 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:18.120 hands on the table for Pasqual. I think he was 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:20.760 he was gonna put me there that year anyway, because 1:11:20.800 --> 1:11:24.080 I played some previous years and was attracting these massive crowds. 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:26.479 I mean like I was kind of like the people's 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:30.599 choice at this point um and a California favorite, so 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:32.880 I think he was gonna put me there just on 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:36.000 the building. I was like, I'm not going underneath these people. 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:39.680 I'm happy for them that they're huge overseas, that's wonderful, 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:42.400 but when they come here, this is this is my place. 1:11:43.280 --> 1:11:45.640 They can be billed below me or beside me, but 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:48.680 I'm not going to play under these guys. And he 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:50.200 heard me out and he gave me a chance. In 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:52.240 two thousand nine was one of those moments where I 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:53.920 was standing at E d C in front of you know, 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:57.200 fifty six d thousand people whatever it was, that Colosseum 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:00.400 was full and the place was it was a giants 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:02.720 sing along to my stuff, and I think at that 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:05.320 point he was like, Okay, yeah, you really have done 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:08.160 something here, you know, so and that kind of solidified 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.519 our relationship and um, I mean he was really great 1:12:11.520 --> 1:12:13.880 and kind to me before that. But and then a 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:16.280 lot of people and promoters around the world we're watching 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:18.240 what ADC was doing. So the fact that I had 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:20.120 clout with them and things were playing so well, that 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:23.439 just helped. And then I think another important piece in 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:25.559 the touring story. I mean, whatever, we can talk about 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:28.080 so many different facets of this, but in two thousand 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:31.160 tents when Vegas got involved, and that was a game 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:34.639 changer that changed everything. I mean, that's forward for those 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.880 people who are not deep into the scene. So I know, 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:42.920 Vegas goes into UH dance music and there's Pakistan. They're 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:45.200 all these different clubs. But when you're there as part 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:47.840 of the scene, suddenly you just get a call and 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:49.840 they say, okay, you know, we're ready to do this. 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:55.280 Two thousand seven, two eight. I'm going out there occasionally 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:59.559 and playing for these casinos and some shows are good, 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:03.000 some they're not so good. But it's different because everything 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:06.559 is hip hop. It's all radio right up to that point. 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:08.160 And then I show up and I'm playing stuff that 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:11.000 these clubs people have never even heard this stuff, like 1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:13.200 what is this? You know it exists in the underground. 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:15.240 But it was working because I'd have enough fans at 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:16.920 this point, I'm close enough to l A. People were 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:18.799 coming out and they'd fill the club and they drank 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:21.799 and there was a party. Um, so Vegas got interested 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.960 in the music pretty quickly. In two thousand and nine, 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:28.120 Steve Winn and his team called me up and they said, 1:13:28.200 --> 1:13:30.320 we want to build a pool and have an outdoor 1:13:30.360 --> 1:13:35.920 pool party. And I'm like, hallelujah, let's do this. And 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:37.559 I said I got a better they want to They're like, 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:39.360 we want to book you once a month during our 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:41.280 peak season during summer. And I said, I got a 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:44.800 better idea for you from Memorial Data Labor Day. I'll 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:48.360 play every Saturday for you guys, and we'll make it 1:13:48.400 --> 1:13:50.120 a thing and we'll brand it. And they're like, yes, 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:52.639 this is what we want. Perfect, let's work a deal. 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:55.400 Whatever this is happening. I mean, there's only one other 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.439 pool party in town at that point. It's rehab, but 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:59.719 it's very it's hip hop. It's a hip hop driven, 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.120 considered urban, so nobody is doing this in this country. 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:04.680 But I had been to a Beasa several times and 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.000 I had seen how these guys are doing it, and 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:07.320 I'm like, man if I didn't have to fly all 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:09.639 the way to a Besa because that's twenty four hour travel, 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.519 or I'm like, this changes my life if this works. 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:14.160 And I remember coming home from the meeting. I flew 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:15.960 back home. They showed me the big pit in the ground. 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:17.720 This is where we're digging the pool, and it's going 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:20.000 to be cool. And we want it, you know, they're 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:22.200 we want a very European we want it, We want 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:24.599 it cool. We wanted Sheep play your cool house music. 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:28.280 You know. Anyway, we opened up that Memorial Day two 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:31.240 thousand and ten, and five thousand people are inside and 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:33.759 there's probably another ten thousand people lined up down the block, 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:38.800 and that town had never seen anything like it still 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.439 to this day hasn't. I mean, it was just like 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:45.960 dynamite Adam Bomb went off on the I mean, dude, 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:49.840 it just changed. It was just a massive shift from 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:53.320 whoa we've got hip hop to like this kid from 1:14:53.320 --> 1:14:56.200 San Francisco can show up and attract ten thousand people 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.680 and we can ring a million dollars? How much are 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:03.680 we paying this guy? Okay? And everyone was flushed with cash. 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:06.720 Um So I was there that summer and it was 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:12.160 just I mean, dude grins from ear to ear, the staff, 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.400 the owner's Mr. Wynn, was my body. I mean, it's 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:19.120 just everything was firing on all fronts, you know, four 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:23.000 gigs into it. I'm like, okay, we need to readjust something. 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.760 I need to get paid some more money, you know. Uh. 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:30.479 And at this point I have an attorney, Had Shapiro. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:32.839 Great guy has been with me almost since the beginning. 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:38.439 Um and he's the longest member of my team. I 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:40.639 should say seventeen years I've been working with this guy. 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:43.599 But anyway, he uh, you know, he really helped me out, 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:45.760 and that my you know, agent, and everybody kind of 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:50.240 rallied behind me. And I think we knew that that summer. 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:53.040 I'm like, because if something works in Vegas, every casino 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:55.000 is going to copy it. Right. Of course, they can't 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.200 make me making tens of millions of dollars and have 1:15:57.280 --> 1:15:59.800 people not rip off the idea, not in Vegas. So 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:01.920 of course that next year, more and more stuff showed 1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:05.679 up and then you know, Cosmopolitan came online, Hakkasan came inline, 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:09.200 and I mean they were just were buying talent like crazy. 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:13.200 And what happened is there's so much competition and there's 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:18.040 only a few artists, so the fees just went through 1:16:18.560 --> 1:16:23.200 the roof. I mean it was just, Yeah, I could 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:26.599 move from San Francisco down here. I was already feeling 1:16:26.640 --> 1:16:28.519 that because I was writing and producing a lot of 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:30.880 stuff in two thousand and I moved down here in 1:16:30.880 --> 1:16:32.639 two thousand and nine, and I wanted to be closer 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:34.639 to l A. And I had a studio in Santa Monica, 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:36.800 and I was commuting from Orange County. I couldn't afford 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:38.160 l A. So I was living in Orange County and 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:42.360 commuting back and forth. Um, but I knew things were 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:45.960 changing and there was a shift, uh musically because I 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:48.760 was doing all these remixes and then six months later 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:53.920 versions of that remix with a new song, we're showing up. 1:16:53.960 --> 1:16:56.920 That production style was going closer and closer to the radio. 1:16:57.200 --> 1:16:58.360 So I'm like, I gotta be in l A and 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:00.439 be closer to this, even if the d J thing 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:03.000 kind of creps out because Vegas wasn't locked in, right, 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:05.920 I was like I could produce people's records. I mean, wow, 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:08.320 you know, a little teeny bit of a Madonna record 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:10.720 or Beyonce record is gonna that will take care of 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:14.120 us by these producers there they're listening to my remixes. 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:15.519 I know they are. They have to be. It's too 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:19.880 close stylistically. Anyway, that all kind of happened in a 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:22.960 very quick time that Vegas came online. I moved down here, 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:25.800 and yeah, I changed my life. I mean, even to 1:17:25.840 --> 1:17:29.799 this day, Vegas accounts for about forty of my revenue 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:32.360 touring wise. I mean it's a it's a large number. Okay, 1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:36.880 so how often do you work in Vegas? Um? This year, 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:39.400 I'm doing a little over thirty shows, thirty five shows 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:42.000 something like. Okay, and you're working. We're in Vegas now. 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:47.559 I'm with the Hakkasan group and that's Caesar's Omnia Um 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:52.479 Hakkasan the club what Republic is at the MGM, So 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:55.360 they have you know, they manage multiple clubs there, but 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:58.120 I kind of rotate between those three venues. And if 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:03.599 this late date, how business for them? It's cooled off 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:05.840 a little bit. I mean we're talking about two thousands 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:09.479 ten where it was so then every club opened up, 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:12.559 and so now you've got you know, twelve fifteen clubs 1:18:12.560 --> 1:18:14.880 on the strip, and you know, six pool parties, eight 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.160 pool parties. Wherever it is, everyone's doing it. So when 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.160 I say it's cooled off, it's cooled off for them. 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:23.519 For me, it's it's as wild as it's ever been. 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:25.600 So pay for you, because I know from talking to 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:27.560 people to the business, pay for you has stayed the 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:30.720 same or going up. It's grown up. I kind of 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:33.600 hit a ceiling about three years ago, but it's essentially 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.000 stayed the same. They got a little bit smarter. Used 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:37.439 to be in a locked in fee, it didn't matter 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:39.880 five old people. There are five thousand people were there. 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:42.400 Now they've built in bonuses, so they've hedged their bets 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:44.960 a little bit um just because the club's kind of 1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:47.519 got smarter and started talking to one another and hey, 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:49.760 what are we gonna do here? We can't pay for 1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:52.240 these guys. You know, it doesn't matter five thousand people 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.599 show up, We're not you know, because it just became 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:57.240 more competitive. There was more real estate, you know, there's 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.760 more tables, there's more clubs to go to, and you 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:03.200 know that lowered the entrance fee for the patrons, and 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:09.760 it changed it a little bit. Well, pause here for 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.080 a reef moment and get right back to my conversation 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:17.640 with the Cascade. 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Okay, So in that ten 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:54.599 year period and when you start with Vegas to now, 1:19:54.680 --> 1:20:02.800 what else changes for you? M I think the music 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:06.240 just continued. I just continued to be an album guy, 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:09.719 and there were there weren't many of those in my world, 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.400 and a song guy. You know, I sticked with my 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:15.719 original kind of two thousand to two thousand three idea, 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:19.320 and everybody kind of came around to that, like E. 1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:21.840 D M was kind of centered around that, like oh, 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:24.880 as to have a vocal, this could potentially cross over 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.559 to radio. That was never my thing, And I don't 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:32.080 really particularly right like that. I've never had any radio success. Um, 1:20:32.120 --> 1:20:35.519 I still kind of right for a nightclub. I don't know. 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.160 It's a hard lane to get out of, the hard 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:40.880 thing to change my mindset. But I'm I'm comfortable with that. 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:47.000 That's fine. Um but um yeah, So I just continue 1:20:47.000 --> 1:20:50.439 putting out records, and my fan base grows and grows 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:52.920 and grows, and social media. With the onset of social media, 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:54.880 I mean, dude, I could talk directly to the people. 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.080 Where before I had to go to St. Louis to 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.240 meet my fans and playing a club and fill a club. 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:01.559 Now I can on Twitter, I can get on Facebook, 1:21:01.560 --> 1:21:03.680 I can send a direct message directly to them I'm 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:05.640 coming here. And it totally helped me. So to what 1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:10.400 degree do you participate on social media? I am it's 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.280 nauseating how much I'm on there. I apologize to anyone 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:17.439 who follows me. But um, I think it was so 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:21.120 important because we have no other way. People in my world, 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:23.720 there's no other way to broadcast a message. I can 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:26.160 playing a club here, I'm playing festival there. It's important 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:28.280 for me to talk to these people. And I think 1:21:28.280 --> 1:21:30.639 it's really gratifying. I mean, when SoundCloud was the thing, 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:33.400 it was so awesome for me to like whip something 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:35.840 up and edit a mash up, a remix or whatever 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.880 it was, a new song, put it on there, go 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:40.040 to Twitter and like, hey, check it out and post 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:44.439 it up and just get that instant feedback before I'm 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:46.880 pressing a record that takes two and a half months 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:49.080 to press. I shipped the record out, it goes to 1:21:49.160 --> 1:21:51.599 the store, comes back. I go to that city six 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:54.320 months later, you know, a couple of people have found 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:56.760 that record. Go there year later, everybody's singing. It was 1:21:56.800 --> 1:22:00.120 like this eighteen month twenty four month lag of me 1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:03.200 creating this thing to when people like it absorbed it. 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:05.000 Now it's like I can put it out and have 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:08.040 this conversation immediately with people. So I loved it. And 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:11.240 to what degree on social media is it all primarily 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:13.840 I'm coming, this is what I'm doing. Or do you 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:16.880 also communicate with fans and talk about subjects that have 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.320 nothing to do with you, particularly you'll have to do 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:22.320 with music or the world at large. Um, I talk 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:25.080 about a lot of random stuff. Um, I let people 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:29.400 into my world Somewhat. I'm pretty private, but I still 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:32.920 share songs of like I should still share thoughts of hey, 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:34.439 this is how I wrote this song, and this is 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:36.960 what the catalyst was for this, or you know, this 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:38.439 is why I'm touring. And I have a lot of 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:41.240 discussions in and around music just about like whatever, this 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:43.040 is what I'm doing on Thursday afternoon. And I think 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:46.080 people like that and they appreciate it. And what platform 1:22:46.240 --> 1:22:51.000 is your platform of choice? Sadly I'm I'm a Twitter 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:54.519 guy because I don't know why. Sadly, well, because it's 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:56.960 not as popular as it once was, and I think 1:22:57.280 --> 1:22:59.519 the younger kids have kind of lost that on Twitter. 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:01.600 You know, they want Snapchat and whatnot. I don't. I 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:03.760 don't want to feel like I'm producing a television show 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:05.519 every day. I don't like pointing my phone at me, 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:08.920 and I don't appreciate that. I like Twitter because I 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:10.519 like to write, so I can get on there and 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:13.080 show you know quick atlantic. Don't think that's how many 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:16.120 followers you have today. It's over a million, one point 1:23:16.120 --> 1:23:19.320 three million, one point four millions, And what about Instagram 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:22.479 about the same amount Instagram. I enjoy Instagram because it 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:24.840 can be very curated, and I feel like it's still 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:29.320 an art. I have a photog and videographer follow me, 1:23:29.320 --> 1:23:31.920 and we can still put stuff up that's neat, but 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:34.479 it is more curated my my channel. I you know, 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:38.360 I'm I'm aware of what's happening and put images that 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:43.000 I like up. Okay, so you've achieved certainly far beyond 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:46.480 most people's wildest dreams. What is left in the landscape 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:52.040 that you would like to achieve? Um? I think now 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:56.200 it's just more about legacy. You know, what have I 1:23:56.240 --> 1:23:58.479 added to this scene? I know what it gave me. 1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:02.360 It gave me a life and uh and I'm thankful 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:07.080 for that. So I think, you know, I still feel 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.240 like there's quite a bit of writing left in me 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.439 and a few songs that I still want to share. 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:15.320 I still feel that I still want to write and 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:19.240 produce and continue sharing. I'm really interested in Sun Soaked 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:21.360 and seeing that become a brand that can stand on 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:24.360 its own. I mean, right now, it's essentially a cascade concert, 1:24:24.520 --> 1:24:26.720 a show that people are going to that's on the beach. 1:24:26.760 --> 1:24:29.160 Well that's special. Um, but I'd like to see that 1:24:29.280 --> 1:24:32.960 potentially be in more places. Um, something that I could 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:37.000 be really having involved with. But um, you know, kind 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:39.599 of transition and make it something more than just being 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:41.760 about me, you know, bring other artists and make it 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:44.280 multiple days. Have it been a few different looks? You know, 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:48.000 we're sitting here on Thursday, the week following Sun Soaked 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:52.760 in Long Beach. There were thirty one thousand people there. Uh, 1:24:52.800 --> 1:24:55.880 to what degree with your were you happy or unhappy 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:59.240 with certain elements of the show? Thank you for your 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:01.120 right up by the way that was I said it 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:04.200 was great and people should only go the amazing thing here. 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:08.400 And I just know because this promoter, Eric Kurtz, took 1:25:08.400 --> 1:25:12.120 me two thousand and ten or whatever to Hard Halloween 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:15.400 and it really opened my eyes. And the funniest thing 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:17.680 was people very good friends. And I said, you're not 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:20.120 gonna believe. We gotta tell you a story. We went 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:23.280 to the USC football game and walking by all these 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:25.960 people and I said, I was there and there I've 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:29.439 bucked out. So you know, that's how I really originally 1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:33.600 got into the scene. I've been to Abitha couple of times, etcetera. 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:38.519 And what blows my mind is that people have no 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:42.520 idea what's going on here, being its sunsoaked. The amazing 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:45.519 thing was and it's not amazing to you, but for 1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:49.120 those of us everyone singing along to songs that are 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:53.519 not mainstream songs mainstream meaning you know, the Spotify top 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:55.519 fifty are written about in the media or whatever. This 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:59.000 is obviously that important to them. And the other thing, 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.400 of course, is a social atmosphere. You got to a 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:04.439 regular show and you bump into something. It happens all 1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:07.160 the time, Okay, just walking along, Hey man, what are 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:11.280 you doing? Hey? No, no, no, no, sounds like oh cool, 1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:14.640 no problem. It's very yeah, you know, so it's a 1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:18.040 great atmosphere. Now, the other thing, I was told that 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:21.679 there were no trips to the hospital, okay, and this 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:27.760 is very different from many other electronic music festivals. Why 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:35.280 do you think that is? I think it's partly me 1:26:35.320 --> 1:26:39.000 as a person and the people that I've attracted, um 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:42.120 through years of touring you know, my music. I think 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:46.200 I'm emitting a message that that you know, it isn't 1:26:46.880 --> 1:26:51.080 like that helps that right, that environment, So it's about you. 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:53.920 It's you're setting a tone. I think listen, dance music 1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:57.880 is like that generally speaking, right, But then I think 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:00.720 I'm one of those guys that's in front of that 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:03.479 kind of leading that charge. I like to think of 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:06.200 myself as that anyway. Um, you know, I've been very, 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.040 very fortunate with my live shows I've done. I mean, 1:27:09.360 --> 1:27:13.120 to my knowledge, that's the largest like single act ticket 1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:15.960 sales of anyone in my world, certainly in North America. 1:27:15.960 --> 1:27:17.519 I don't know about Europe, and I can't speak for 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:20.400 some of these other places. But thirty one people, this 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:24.160 is this is insane, and I think the thing that 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:27.519 is so difficult for people in the music industry to understand. 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:30.160 And I'm managed now by rock Nation and Jay Brown. 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:33.880 They're just so fascinated because it is it's how do 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:37.360 these people know these songs? How you got thirty one 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.000 people singing along to a song that I released eight 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:41.720 years ago. I mean, I could turn the record off 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:43.559 and they'll sing the course with the hands in the air. 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:46.639 It boggles my mind. It blows my mind. But that's 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:49.320 the age of the Internet. People are finding this stuff. 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.400 When you look at my spins on Spotify, there there's 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.280 nothing special, you know, on like four and a half 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:57.000 five million streams a month. This is you know, I'm 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:59.640 not even in the top I don't think, you know, 1:28:00.160 --> 1:28:02.360 But yet I can go and sell these many tickets. 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:05.800 Many popex have a very difficult time doing something like this, 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:10.160 and that's really Listen. That's how I discovered your emails, 1:28:10.280 --> 1:28:14.280 because it was I'm outside of this music industry. I 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:17.080 kind of sit on the outside. I'm looking in. But 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:20.519 yet I've been able to find in carve my own niche. 1:28:20.560 --> 1:28:23.559 And I think that's what's been so fascinating to the 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:26.120 people around me and even myself. I'm still kind of 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:28.880 like shocked and scratched my head. Okay, you know, if 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:31.439 you go back to you know, the classic rockers, the Stones, 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:34.000 the Beatles, they said, hey, we'll do this for ten years. 1:28:34.000 --> 1:28:36.120 We'll go back to hometown, we go back to the factory. 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:39.840 Do you anticipate if your forty seven now, you anticipate 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.080 years from now you'll still be in Vegas or somewhere 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:47.479 spinning records? No? No, why not? I don't think so. 1:28:49.360 --> 1:28:52.240 This is a young person's game. It really is. It's 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:56.960 a it's very dance music is young, full of life, 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.680 and I think it would be ficult to be like 1:29:00.680 --> 1:29:04.120 a really old guy up there trying to lead that charge. Um. 1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:06.680 I think listen, I'm always going to be writing and 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:11.840 producing records on some level because that that satisfies something 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:14.200 inside of me. Right. I love writing a song, I 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:18.240 love working on music, I love remixing stuff. Um and listen, 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:21.880 I'm sure I'll have the occasional tour like dust it 1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:24.360 off the turntaip, let me get out there and do something. 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.840 But to the degree that I'm touring now and stuff, no, 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.880 I mean I've slowly been kind of winding it down 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:32.880 for the last sound of three or four years. I've 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:34.880 you know, at that peak when I was doing two 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:37.320 hundred plus shows a year too. Now, you know, do 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:39.920 a hundred shows this year, hundred and ten shows or something. 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:43.320 It's half of what it was. Um one, because I 1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:45.920 make so much more money per show, so to hustle 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.760 is hard. Um, but I think it will continue to 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:52.240 kind of go that way. Um. Okay, but a hundred 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:56.040 is you know, you have many legendary acts who do 1:29:56.360 --> 1:30:00.160 sixty shows every other year, So a hundred shows there's 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:02.680 still a lot of shows. Yes, it is, okay, not 1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:04.760 in my world, but yes, of course, of course you're 1:30:04.760 --> 1:30:07.920 in DJ but anybody as they become more successful, because 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.080 we know I remember, I think I was talking to Metallica. 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:12.120 They went all they went on the road. When they 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:14.080 all came back and got a divorce. You know, you're 1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:16.240 on you're working so hard on what you do, your 1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:18.840 life completely changes. So when you get to the point 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:20.160 you want to get a certain point, you want a 1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:23.400 life work balance. But that does not necessarily mean you 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:28.599 stop working, right, I agree with that, Okay. I mean 1:30:28.760 --> 1:30:30.559 you said twenty years from that. That just seems like 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:33.400 a really long time. Okay. I think what you're saying 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:35.960 is with the classic rock accent, they couldn't even imagine 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:39.280 especially you know. Okay, but come on, further questions. What's 1:30:39.320 --> 1:30:42.200 it like to be on stage when and don't forget 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.519 I mean, you know, but people listening dance music, it's 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:49.160 a very active audience. They're not sitting passively. You don't 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:50.680 have to wait for the song to end man to 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:54.519 get applause. What's it like being on stage in front 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:57.280 of that many people, getting that reaction, having them in 1:30:57.320 --> 1:31:03.720 the palm of your hand. It's insane. I mean, it's 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:09.920 impossible for me to describe. It's the energy flowing through 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:13.360 me is crazy. It's very difficult for me to sleep 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:16.559 after a show or to calm down. It takes a while. 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:21.400 I mean, dude, I've I'm it's electric. It's funny you 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:23.720 say that because people, you know, people always say they're 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.280 criticisms of musicians. You know, go into a minor. One 1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:30.240 would be, well they date models. Well, models have the 1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:33.720 same lifestyle, you know, traveling around the world, staying up 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:36.280 all night whatever. The next thing is, well, why do 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:38.320 they all do drugs? I know you don't do drugs, 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:41.080 but I always say it's very hard. You know, you're 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:44.599 loved by twenty people in an arena, you get back 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:47.800 into the bus with the same guys that you know 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:51.000 since high school. You can't come down for hours. They 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:53.439 use the drugs. I'm not saying that's a good thing, 1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:57.000 but the average person has no idea what it's like. 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:58.880 You know, It's like if I write and I get 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:01.479 most inspired later at night, you know, I can't write 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:04.840 and go to bed. You're just all fired up. You 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.400 gotta get the idea. You gotta and I mean it's 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:10.439 very physical as well. You see you on stage, I'm 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:12.840 jumping around. I'm running to this side, run and that side. 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:15.960 It's just and I have to do that because so 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.000 much is flowing through me. I feel like I could 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:19.759 lift up a car and throw it into the audience 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.120 at certain point, you know, I mean, it's it's great. 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:24.599 So that's a great analogy. Just you know. Another thing 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:28.760 that people have criticism electronic music. They say that basically 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:31.360 it's all on hard drive and the guys just pressing 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:34.320 and play. When you are on stage, how much are 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:41.519 you creating on stage? Great question. I'm gonna make this 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:44.080 as short of answer as I could possibly make. There's 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:48.200 weren't an interesting spot with electronic music for a very 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:50.680 long time. A lot of it was being created. And 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:52.320 what I mean by that as I show up and 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:55.680 I've got two or three records behind me, I know 1:32:55.760 --> 1:32:58.960 the first record I'm gonna play, sure, but I have 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:01.400 no idea what's gonna happen. And then it's this interesting 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:03.479 relationship that you have with the audience. And this is 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:05.840 certainly true in the nightclubs where you're kind of like 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:09.840 weaving this tapestry, this audio tapestry right with them, and 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:11.920 you're going in and out, and there is a skill 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.240 of lining this up and blending knees and picking the 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.680 next song. And it's very it's very organic thing, and 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:20.360 it is a talent and whatever, I'll sitting here and argue, 1:33:20.360 --> 1:33:22.280 even if I'm not in this business, how I'm telling 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:25.479 you there are guys that do it really, really well, 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:28.960 that have learned and honed that for a very long time. 1:33:30.040 --> 1:33:33.320 As it became digitized and it changed things a little bit, 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:38.640 it was a lot easier to have less talent and 1:33:38.680 --> 1:33:41.320 be able to pull it off because then it became 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:44.160 more about the song. Okay, write a good song, get 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:46.080 up in front of the audience and play it. That's 1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:49.720 good enough, and you are just pressing play. I am 1:33:49.760 --> 1:33:52.320 trying to blend those two worlds of the old and 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:54.439 the new. I mean, I still show up on stage 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:56.320 and I have a playlist with a hundred songs on it, 1:33:56.360 --> 1:33:58.679 and I think I know what I'm gonna play. And 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:04.479 to my two ring parties, Dismay and and and I 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:06.559 mean they hate me for this that I still kind 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:08.400 of go off on these tangents. They want me to 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:11.080 provide them a set list so all the pyrotechnics and 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:12.960 everything can be all in sync and it can be 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:15.559 this beautiful show. And I refused to do this because 1:34:15.560 --> 1:34:17.760 I'm like, look, man, even if I give you a 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:22.720 set list, I'm not going to stick to it. Then 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:25.879 it would be no fun. And for me, well, and 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:27.920 I came up in a time when that didn't exist. 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:30.960 I mean, I toured for ten years by myself, like 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.200 I did whatever the hell I wanted to do, Like 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:35.759 I didn't have to answer to anyone. So they hate 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:37.439 me in a twenty four hours of the gig. They're like, 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:39.240 what are you starting with? You know, what are you 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:41.760 gonna do? And I'm like, okay, I think I might 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:43.800 start here, and I'm pretty sure I'm an end here 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:46.800 in between, you know, but the guy. But what we've 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:49.200 discovered is the guys that do the best with me, 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:51.360 they just go and play every show with me. So 1:34:51.400 --> 1:34:54.559 as I incorporate new mixes and finished new songs, and 1:34:54.560 --> 1:34:56.200 I can incorporate that on my show, and they're hurt 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:58.120 and they're familiar with it, and so they become a 1:34:58.200 --> 1:34:59.920 season as I am. And that's the best way to 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:01.800 to it. Instead of these guys just shown up at 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:03.320 the big shows that they're at the big shows, the 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.559 small shows. I'm playing five people they're they're they're listening 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:08.360 to it. They work in the video of the lights. 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:11.719 So what about the health of the scene at this point. 1:35:14.120 --> 1:35:17.200 I think it's great. Uh, it's kind of broken into 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:19.479 two things. So there's kind of like a pop lane 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:22.160 where you got David Getta's and Calvin Harris's that have 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:25.559 taken dance music and opened it up to a wider audience, 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:29.559 which is awesome, um, and that angered some of the 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:31.519 people when we were all in one scene, when we're 1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:34.439 all just one group of guys. But now it's kind 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:38.599 of fractured, and the underground has become like all ships 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:40.720 rise with the tide, right, So even the underground is 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:45.400 much bigger and more profitable and healthier because this pop 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:47.679 stuff is there. But I think it took a moment 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:51.280 for people to realize like, oh, that's them over there, 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:54.880 that's the pop stuff, and this is us where the underground. 1:35:55.120 --> 1:35:57.479 So they're kind of separated now. Before there was that 1:35:57.600 --> 1:36:00.439 weird period of time where we're all together, well I 1:36:00.479 --> 1:36:02.200 don't like them, and that guy doesn't like this. But 1:36:02.280 --> 1:36:04.760 now they've kind of they've gone their separate ways and 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:09.040 there's a divide between them, um, which is weird. Because 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:12.680 I kind of coexist in both worlds. I mean, I'm 1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:16.880 over here straddling defence. Um right, what would you like 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:21.360 to have a radio hit? Sure? Yes, So whatever you 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:24.400 sit at home saying, you know, whatever your process is, 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:26.920 whether it be a premeditator after the fact, well this 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:29.360 might this might work. Are you still strive? Are you 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:35.320 striving to reach that pinnacle? Uh? Yes, for a few reasons. One. Now, listen, 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:36.840 I've done a lot and I've written a lot of 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:39.400 music over twenty years. So now in the last like 1:36:39.560 --> 1:36:42.040 three or four years, as I got signed to major 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:44.360 labels and went out of the indie scene, I mean 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:45.840 before I used to turn in an album and it 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:48.920 was here's the track order. I mean, it wasn't didn't 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:52.000 give me input. I was like, here it is. Then 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:53.840 I signed with Warner and I had any and Our 1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:55.799 signed to me, and he's like, listen to the songs 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:57.679 and give me feedback and hanging out in the studio. 1:36:58.000 --> 1:37:02.760 And I kind of liked it. Why not five years 1:37:02.760 --> 1:37:04.720 ago I would have told him to f off and 1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:06.920 get out of the room. But now I'm like, cool man, 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:09.760 You've got some ideas. What's up? You know, I've been 1:37:09.800 --> 1:37:12.240 around I've written a song, I don't. It's not about ego. 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:14.479 For me. I'm kind of like, just make something cool 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:16.439 and have a good time. So I kind of had 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:20.480 to check myself and rearrange how I thought about the process. 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:23.040 And not only that, Now it's like, I feel like 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.200 I'm such a part of what the sound of what 1:37:25.280 --> 1:37:28.240 modern dance music is. I feel like songwriters coming and 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:31.320 pitch me on songs. I'm like, wow, did you do 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:33.240 you know this song by me? Because this is very 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:35.639 similar to something I wrote five years ago or seven 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:37.720 years ago or ten years ago. Oh my gosh, I 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:40.439 love that song. Yeah, I can see the influence there. 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:42.479 So to me, it's cool when other songwriters come and 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:45.639 want to work with me. Where before I was closed 1:37:45.640 --> 1:37:48.639 to that idea, now I'm like, well, let's collaborate. Two minds. 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.719 Three minds are better than one. I've kind of learned 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:55.000 to enjoy that process now, the part about do I 1:37:55.040 --> 1:38:01.479 want a radio hit, it's more about me because in 1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:04.600 this independent world where we could try and be like, 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:06.760 this person is worth as much of this guy's worth. 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.280 That much goes back to that conversation I had, you know, 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:15.280 a long time ago with Pasqual I deserved here. You know, Um, 1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:18.360 there's still a lot of guys that, oh, well, we're 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:20.639 gonna build him here and build them there. Okay, then 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:23.559 just don't include me on your festival. I'm fine, I 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:28.360 don't need your dollars. Although that's a lot of money. 1:38:28.439 --> 1:38:33.559 Of course, I'll be playing for cheeseburgers right But to me, 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:35.519 it was like, I don't need to be a part 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:37.479 of that that that guy that you're putting on ahead 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:39.719 of me or claiming that he has more value. I don't. 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.920 I don't subscribe to that cool you know. And so 1:38:44.040 --> 1:38:46.760 for me, the touring numbers became a really big deal. 1:38:47.760 --> 1:38:50.240 And I understood when you know, the Swedes and all 1:38:50.280 --> 1:38:52.400 these guys came around, they're like, I sold out Medicine 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:54.599 Square Garden. I understood why they did that, because they're 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:58.360 trying to, you know, put their value up to these 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:01.000 promoters and show them things. So for me, when I 1:39:01.040 --> 1:39:03.559 come back, I mean promoters around the world right now, 1:39:03.600 --> 1:39:05.640 the country you're emailing me. They can't it can't be 1:39:05.760 --> 1:39:11.479 thirty one people. You meant thousand people. Really, Oh, I 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:14.320 had a promoter. I'm not going to say who's when 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:17.080 I told him, like you mean three thousand, Like, no, 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:20.519 this is thirty one thousand paid people. Guess what with 1:39:20.560 --> 1:39:23.000 another couple of thousand jumping the fence and probably a 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:26.519 couple more thousand on my guest Listen. I mean, this 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:29.160 is the thirty five thousand person party we're having here. 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:32.920 This is a show that we're creating waves and those 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:37.479 those moments, because to me, whether it's five people or 1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:41.840 fifty thousand, it's more about success and not having to 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.120 answer to the promoter and prove my value to them. 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:47.200 So for me, the radio hit is like it's here 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:50.519 nor there. But I can't stand answering to these guys 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:52.599 that are like, oh, well, we're gonna put this kid 1:39:52.640 --> 1:39:54.559 who's eighteen on in front of you, and I'm like, no, 1:39:54.640 --> 1:39:57.840 you're not You're not cool. I don't have to play 1:39:57.880 --> 1:40:02.400 your party, dude, I'm busy that day. Well, certainly the 1:40:02.439 --> 1:40:06.800 cutthroat business like this, but traditionally traditionally is a funny 1:40:06.880 --> 1:40:09.200 term to use. For over the last twenty years, but 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:14.519 dance music has waxed and waned in popularity outside of 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:18.120 its core audience. Yes, do you think that it will 1:40:18.160 --> 1:40:21.200 continue to grow or go back to base or do 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:24.240 you have a viewpoint on that it's going back to base. 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:25.880 Now we're in the middle of a shift. It's going 1:40:25.920 --> 1:40:28.439 back to base, which is cool, it's fine. I think 1:40:28.439 --> 1:40:31.120 there's a handful of guys that it doesn't matter. They're 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:35.800 just part of the pop cultural landscape. Um, so they've 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:38.200 kind of risen above that here in this country. I'm 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:40.839 very fortunate to be part of that small club of guys, 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:45.160 um and girls. I think there's a girl in there somewhere, maybe, 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:49.639 I hope. So I'm not touching that right, um, but 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:52.040 I think we'll make it through. And I think the 1:40:52.120 --> 1:40:54.360 underground as strong as it's ever been. But it's it's 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:56.840 weaning because every listen everything is hip hop right now, 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.439 and even a lot of successful dance song songs have 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:03.160 to have okay, we gotta have a verse from g 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:07.360 easy this or whatever. And it's becoming more you know, 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:11.719 lab created music, right, everyone's got to have an opinion 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:14.240 and make this and make that and make this. And me, 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:16.360 I'm kind of like comfortable to sitting back doing what 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:20.080 I've always done. Sure the poppit, yeah cool, I take 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.960 one of those. Cool And I listened to am I 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:25.320 open to listening to somebody else's ideas and what I 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:28.200 should being. Yeah, sure, is most of it a waste 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:31.920 of time? Yes, I'm like because I'm perfectly comfortable what 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:34.280 I'm doing. But if somebody's got a great idea and 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:36.920 there's a brilliant songwriter out there, I love good music, 1:41:37.000 --> 1:41:40.519 and I'll spend a day in the studio with them, 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:43.680 and you know, maybe some magic comes out of that. Well, 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.840 there's a whole another podcast getting into the creation and 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:49.840 the scene. But you've been listening to the Cascade on 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:53.440 the Bob Left Sets podcast. This has just been fascinating 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:56.960 and edifying just to hear. And when people have no idea, 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:59.920 all they see is like the Forbes list a successful DJ. 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:03.240 They have no idea of the hard work that's put in, 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:06.240 and especially in your case, that you were attracted to 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:08.840 the scene when there was barely any scene to begin with, 1:42:09.080 --> 1:42:11.680 when you're growing up in Chicago, and to use the 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:15.840 old cliche, that started music businesses and every walk of life. 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:18.519 Now you paid a lot of dues, so you're at 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:21.400 the pinnacle. You have a smile on your face. It's 1:42:21.400 --> 1:42:23.479 been so great to have you here. Thank you so much. 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:28.120 Thanks appreciate it. Until next time, it's Bob left Sets. 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:36.599 Tune in next week for another podcast that wraps up 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:39.519 this week's episode of the Bob left Sets podcast, recorded 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:42.960 live with the tune in studios in Venice, California. I 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:46.080 hope you enjoyed my conversation with Cascade as much as 1:42:46.120 --> 1:42:48.800 I did. What do you think of the interview? You 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:51.800 can email me at Bob at left sets dot com. 1:42:51.880 --> 1:43:06.640 Until next time, I'm Bob left Sets. Can't think of 1:43:07.640 --> 1:43:14.519 me reason and I don't know me. Saly one must 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:15.720 be o