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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob Left Sets podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest this week is DJ Cascade. Great to have you here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. This is awesome. Now, of course

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Speaker 1: it's all over the interday. Your name is Ryan Radden.

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Speaker 1: Is it okay to call you Ryan, call me whatever

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Speaker 1: you whatever your preference is, okay, So Ryan, some of

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Speaker 1: the audience will people will be very familiar with your

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Speaker 1: music and with the scene. Do you like the moniker

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Speaker 1: E d M or not? I think today I don't.

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Speaker 1: I used to not bother me at all, and I

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Speaker 1: mean really and truly it doesn't bother me that much. Um,

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Speaker 1: But I think E d M has kind of become

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Speaker 1: a bad word in the last couple of years. I

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Speaker 1: think now almost represents a genre of electronic music that

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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily that closely affiliated with. It's more of

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Speaker 1: this big room kind of mayhem, uh, very loud, noxious

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Speaker 1: music within electronic music. It's kind of become its own,

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Speaker 1: little like sub genre. But for me, I'm just glad

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Speaker 1: anyone's calling this music anything. Look, I thought from the

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Speaker 1: day when it was you know, we were unnoticed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but let's stay there for the uninitiated. They read all

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Speaker 1: the different genres of dance music, house music, chill, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Can you go through and explain those to the audience

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Speaker 1: and maybe unfamiliar with them. Uh, I'll do as good

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Speaker 1: a job as I can in a in a short,

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Speaker 1: little concise way. Um, house music is just I think

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Speaker 1: for me, that's kind of just the very general broad term.

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Speaker 1: That's just post disco. Just think of disco, right, It's

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Speaker 1: kind of what made it through the seventies. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of the the eighties version of disco music, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of survived this entire time. That's kind of the

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Speaker 1: backbound Disco is the backbone of electronic music, is the

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Speaker 1: way I see it, Kid from Chicago. That's my perspective,

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Speaker 1: very much so. Um. But then chills just like what

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Speaker 1: you would think it is. It's relaxed down tempo um.

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Speaker 1: Trap is kind of a version of hip hop music.

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Speaker 1: That's uh, you know, modern version of hip hop music.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I see It's very aggressive um. And

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Speaker 1: I mean within each one of these big genres, there's

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Speaker 1: fifty subgenres, you know. I mean with trap there's bro

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Speaker 1: staff and hard staff, and and then you have drumming bass,

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Speaker 1: which A lot of this stuff is differentiated by tempo.

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Speaker 1: Drum basis, you know, sixty per minute, beats per minute yep,

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Speaker 1: and then houses you know around one tw kind of

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Speaker 1: like a disco groove. UM. You know, trance is very

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Speaker 1: fast like one forty, very synthetic sounding, UM, very synth driven. UM. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so many genres out there, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to even I think trance house electro is uh

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Speaker 1: And that was made popular with kind of E d

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Speaker 1: a few years ago. So what would you consider your

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Speaker 1: music to be? Um. I mean, I like to say

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Speaker 1: But within that, yes, I make chill music. I make

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of chill stuff, you know. That's that's

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Speaker 1: me I mainly make and then I and then I

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Speaker 1: house music that's more popular on the main stage, and

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Speaker 1: that's basically what I played at the sun Soap Festival.

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Speaker 1: I had those more chill moments, but you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of go take it up and down. Um yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're from Chicago, yes, and uh were born in

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Speaker 1: Chicago nineventy one. And what did your father do for

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Speaker 1: did your mother worked outside the house? Uh? She did.

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Speaker 1: She helped my dad a lot, and then she was

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Speaker 1: Because I was skateboarding from a really young age. So

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Speaker 1: oh man, that's what I want to do. And then

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Speaker 1: you said your mother worked in the ski shop. She did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's That's exactly why she worked in the ski shop,

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Speaker 1: trying to outfit to older brothers, to your sisters, trying

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Speaker 1: middle child, so you know, I'm a middle child tooth

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Speaker 1: younger sisters. So, and that's another interesting thing. They waited

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Speaker 1: I was like on my own completely my older brothers. Also,

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Speaker 1: never really coexisted, you know, everybody was like so much

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Speaker 1: the eighties is a different time. We're running around riding

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Speaker 1: now you're from north Brook, Illinois. Yes. The only thing

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Speaker 1: I know about north Brook, Illinois supposedly the speed skating

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Speaker 1: to do. Wow. Yeah, that's right. They practice over there,

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Speaker 1: oldest brother, Russ is um Um. He sells satellite dishes

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Speaker 1: they never believed in you. No, they always believed in me. Becau,

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Speaker 1: It's like, how Ryan will be fine whatever this guy

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Speaker 1: that story recently. Mom said, you're the golden child. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember hearing that, but that's awesome. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, I was a hard worker coming up,

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Speaker 1: matter what I You know, all my brothers and sisters

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Speaker 1: are successful, you know what I mean. Yeah, but we

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Speaker 1: all know if you're successful in dance music, it's incredibly lucrative.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's not like you go on the rail.

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Speaker 1: It's like being a comedian. You take your microphone and

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Speaker 1: maybe a road manager. There's a little bit more. Maybe

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Speaker 1: take your laptop or USB stick or your turntables. But

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Speaker 1: there are these high fees which are paraded everywhere in

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Speaker 1: and they like to rib me about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, typically my family gets together once a year,

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Speaker 1: at least once a year, and it's usually around July four.

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Speaker 1: My mom's got a cabin in Idaho over by Jackson Whole, Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: my schedule, me and my family, we fly private and

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Speaker 1: this causes a lot of you know, hey, what's going

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Speaker 1: on here? Guys? Fancy plane coming? So my siblings love

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Speaker 1: Idaho Falls, but sometimes I've flown into Jackson. Just depends,

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Speaker 1: you know. Okay. Then another question. You've made all this money.

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Speaker 1: the time you get to the second one, you're like

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Speaker 1: loosening up. The third one you're like whatever. So in

423
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Speaker 1: any event, you go to the club say hey, I

424
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: think I can do this. What's the next up really

425
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: for me? Then I just started buying all these records

426
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: that I'm here because it's not stuff you can really

427
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: get on the radio. And I think this is where

428
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: Chicago comes into play, right, because it's accessible. Right, I'm

429
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: part of this scene and this click of people that

430
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 1: are listening to these records and these DJs are playing.

431
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: I mean, there's parties going on. Gramophone Records is not

432
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: too far from the nightclub that I'm frequenting, you know,

433
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like three blocks away, so it's in the same neighborhood.

434
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: So I could go to Gramophone, which is arguably the

435
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: first specialty like house music record store in the world. Um,

436
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: and I'm flipping through there and I'm it can listen

437
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: all my money at that points going into records and

438
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: I'm like flipping through this stuff. I think my first

439
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: time with a set of turntables because this stuff is

440
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: too expensive, equipments too expensive for Ford, you know, I

441
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: can get a record here and there and whatnot, but

442
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: to get a set of twelve and a mixture that's

443
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: way beyond my reach. Um, A kidd ripped some off

444
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: and we're at his house, one of these houses. He

445
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: ripped off some turntables from where, you know, he's like,

446
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: I saw him in a car, but I could care less.

447
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I just was like, I want to try this. And

448
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, that night, instead of going to the club,

449
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: we're up, you know, for hours, just trying to figure

450
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: out what they're doing and understanding the beat matching and that.

451
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't until years later that I got

452
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: my own set up. And then I was like, okay, cool,

453
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, so you're in a high school. How

454
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: old are you when this friend, uh lifts these turntables? Okay,

455
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: So at this point you're just collecting records, collecting records, okay,

456
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: and you do this at the friends house. What do

457
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: you say, Oh, this is just a fun night, or no,

458
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: this is a career path. No, man, just a fun night.

459
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: I never thought career path until very recently. In the

460
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: in the big picture of this story, it was a

461
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: recent thing. Okay. So when you graduate from high school,

462
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: you still don't own any turntables okay. And how many

463
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: records do you think you own? You're an avid collector. Okay.

464
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: So now it comes time to go to college, you

465
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: go to b y U. Okay. Having lived in Utah

466
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Although back in the seventies,

467
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, b y U is the epicenter of LDS

468
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: and although religious and you are LDS, you are more men. Uh.

469
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: And that would be a place, but it's known as

470
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: being a relatively conservative place. Okay, So how does that

471
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: work for you? Uh? Is eye opening? Look a kid

472
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: growing up in Chicago. My my brothers both went to

473
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: be by you and they're like, hey, it's great, it's fun,

474
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: it's cool. And I think that for me, I wanted

475
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: to go there because I wanted to be around other Mormons.

476
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Speaker 1: We'll take a quick break and come back with more

477
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Speaker 1: of my conversation with Cascade. Recorded at the tune In

478
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Speaker 1: slash left sets to download and listen. Okay, let's get

483
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: back to my conversation with Cascade. Okay, so you've gotta

484
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: be yu and your expectations. Recording to your brother is

485
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna be great, but what's your experience. I loved it,

486
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: and I think once again, this kind of plays back

487
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: to me launching my career. So I've got creates of

488
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: records and my brothers. I'm in one of these uh

489
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, for lack of a better term, fraternity, it's

490
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: more like a social club. They didn't call fraternities there.

491
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: They get suspended or whatever, but it's essentially a social

492
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: club of fraternity. And they're like, we need to throw

493
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: a party and raise some money. And I'm like, I

494
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: got create some records. I know how to spend these things,

495
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I think. So we hire some mobile DJ guy and

496
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'll play the music that night. I

497
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: just need your equipment. So that was my first like

498
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: real gig. This is nine okay, and how many nights

499
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Speaker 1: had you spend on the turntables? Very few? I mean

500
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Speaker 1: this is like, you know a bunch of kids from

501
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: southern you know, these are all like transplants that are

502
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: living in Provo, Utah. I'm like they're not going to know.

503
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: The difference I'll try is that your attitude in life

504
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: in general, you fake it till you make it. No,

505
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: not really, but I just knew I listen. I was

506
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: confident that I could do it. Okay, So but once again,

507
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: to what degree do you fit in? Kid from in

508
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Chicago and going to nightclubs every night now in conservative Provo, Utah. Um.

509
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: I made lifelong friends there that first year because I

510
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: was meeting kids. I met a kid from San Francisco

511
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: became a really good friend, another kid from Cocoa Beach, Florida.

512
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, I was meeting people from all over the place.

513
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Some kid from Venezuela. So I was meeting all these

514
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: different kids and hearing about their experiences growing up Mormon whatever.

515
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: For me it was it was cool. I not everyone

516
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: has a good experience there, but for me it was great.

517
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I was the only reason I asked because you didn't

518
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: go back there, you ultimately talking through the University of Utah.

519
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: That was because my lack of studying that first year.

520
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun that first year. I

521
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: was really tan when I went home. It was a

522
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: very warm spring. So when I showed back home, and

523
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: when I showed it back home in Chicago, I was

524
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: like tan from playing frisbee out at the park and

525
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, but let's speak English here. Were you not

526
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: asked back to be while you So I went on

527
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: a mission after my first year, okay? Just so I

528
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: know for traditionally is that when people go, Yes, now

529
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: a lot of kids go before they start school. That

530
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of seems like a better time. Now people are

531
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: just you know, go to high school, go on the mission,

532
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: then come back and start college. I went to my

533
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: first year, my freshman year, okay, and then you go

534
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 1: on the mission to Japan, Japan. But so that's for

535
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: two years. Two years. In those two years, do you

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: come back to the States at all? No? And you

537
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: go to Japan with how many other people as a

538
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: group of eight of us, but there's already like a

539
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty missionaries living in might I say Tokyo.

540
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: It's like northern Tokyo and the northern suburbs of Tokyo.

541
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: It's a large area that that covers. So like in

542
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: your town, say Santa Monica, there would be two missionaries,

543
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, a station there, and then you go to

544
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: like Culver City, there would be another two missionaries, you know. Okay,

545
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: so you're living with another guy in some sub of

546
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: Tokyo and then you have your own apartment with his job. Yes,

547
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: and what's the what are you supposed to do every day? Uh? Proselyte, teach,

548
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: but you talk to people about Yeah, but you don't

549
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: speak Japanese right now? I mean I took a crash

550
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: course for two months before you go out, um, which

551
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: is you know, crash course. And how how are you

552
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: going to talk to these people one language wise? And

553
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: what are you going to talk to them about? What's

554
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: what's the right way to approach this? In my life

555
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: up to this point, you know, my conversations about being

556
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: Mormon were like just with my friends from high school

557
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: and whatever, and like oh, hey, this is what I

558
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: believe or what do you believe? And so kind of

559
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: refining that process. And then then really it takes me.

560
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: You know, luckily learning Japanese wasn't it wasn't that hard.

561
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: I would say, it wasn't that hard for you? People

562
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: are good with languages. I was that was it? It was?

563
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: Which is weird because I failed out of Spanish in

564
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: high school. It's like one of those things I wanted

565
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: to do. I wanted to learn Janace and I was

566
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: there and early on the second place that I lived,

567
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: I was actually living with the Japanese guy. So I'm like, man,

568
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I better start really hitting the books. And I studied hard.

569
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean every day I would up, you know, at

570
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the crack of dawn, studying for an hour or two

571
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: before we went out. And you know, we're meeting people.

572
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: So I was studying and carrying around vocabulary words. But

573
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I'd say a year into it, I felt like confident

574
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I could have a discussion. So you how does it

575
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: actually work you knock on someone's door, and Japan that's

576
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: kind of culturally a little not so nice. Um So,

577
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time because I was in

578
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: or really close to Tokyo the majority of my mission.

579
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Um So I would hang around the train station a

580
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of times, or and just like walk up to

581
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: random people, Hey, you know, what do you know about

582
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, and like have a conversation if they want

583
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: to or not. You know, there's a lot of ceto

584
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: desks like I'm okay, I'm okay, okay, cool um But

585
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: and then other times people just referrals they hear about

586
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: somebody who's Mormon and their friends Mormon and they want

587
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: to learn about it or you know, so there's that. Okay,

588
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: So sometimes you're educating people who have already been converted

589
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: to a degree as opposed to trying to find Now

590
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: it's sort of like being a salesman. I would think

591
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: you get a lot of rejection, Yes, a lot, And

592
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: how does that feel? How do you handle? That? Didn't

593
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: bother me really, I mean I grew up in Chicago,

594
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, not everyone interested in religion

595
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: like I am. You know, I grew up in a

596
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhood. I knew that. You know, this is part

597
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: of the deal. You know, people have different thoughts and

598
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: ideas and and whatever. I think. Missionaries are there and

599
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: my primary job was to speak to people that are

600
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: looking for something and that want help. You know. So okay, cool.

601
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: The key is to find those people, right, to come

602
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: in contact with those people. Okay. So two years go

603
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: by and then you go back to Utah. Yeah, why

604
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: do you not go back to b y Uh? Actually

605
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I went to New York and worked for a Japanese company.

606
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I went to New York for a year, which Okay,

607
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: so it's important. So okay, so you gotta b y

608
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: U for a year, you go to Japan for two years,

609
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: then you go to New York to work for a

610
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Japanese company. How does that come together? Uh? I just

611
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: interviewed with the company. I was like, I'm going back.

612
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have any money, you know. I was like,

613
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, I got to go back to school. I

614
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: could use the job. So I interviewed with this Japanese

615
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: company that was hiring like a lot of Mormon kids

616
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: because oh cool, these kids can speech Japanese. So we're

617
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: tour guides around the city of New York. Um, which

618
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: is funny. I've been to New York a few times,

619
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the city that well. So, you know,

620
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: like telling these people about New York City And I

621
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: actually didn't know that much, but I learned. How long

622
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: were you a tour guide? For about a year? And

623
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't most people go back to college instead

624
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: of having a tour guide job? Yeah? Probably? Did your

625
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: parents where your parents concerned that you might not go

626
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: back to college? No? Not at this point, I think

627
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: there's still like what's he doing? I mean they were

628
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: like that a lot around me. What's Ryan doing? Okay?

629
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: So if you're living in New York, do you need

630
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: any of their money or you can make enough money

631
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: to make it. I was making money, okay, So New

632
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: York epicenter of dance music are you involved in? I'm

633
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: going out. I'm going out every night that I can.

634
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm working like a dog. The place worked

635
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: me like crazy. I mean I kept my time sheets

636
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: for a long time because I was like, man, we

637
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: could sue these guys, right, we need over time, you know. Um.

638
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going out. A lot of stuff is

639
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: happening because it's two thousand three, two thousand four, I mean,

640
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: dance music is in New York and full swing can't

641
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: be They kept gonna be like, yes, sorry, you very

642
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: much have lost the techade. Okay. I trying to make

643
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: sure here, Okay, okay, so yeah, so but not the

644
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: dance music isn't happening. But if we're working on the timeline,

645
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of stuff happening up going out

646
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: club USA. It was in full swing. That was right

647
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: there in Times Square, right off of Time to Square.

648
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: Um lion light was happening, um, which there was a

649
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: line Light in Chicago as well that I went to

650
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: in high school. So you know, it was just cool

651
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: dance music had matured a bit more. I'd become more musical.

652
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: It was less just drums and bass, less industrial um.

653
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: But that's really at that point. I saved up enough money,

654
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: bought my own setup, went back to Utah. I went

655
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: back to you and bought my own set up. Okay,

656
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I've got some records, I've got some equipment. I'm playing

657
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: some stuff here and there. I go back to Utah.

658
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: Let's just be clear. You buy the turntables in New

659
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: York or in Utah. In Utah, E mail ordered this stuff. Okay, Okay,

660
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: So if this when you leave New York you're just

661
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: interested in the scene, you go back to Utah, and

662
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: what's your plan get through college? Okay? Why do you

663
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: go to the U as they say and salt like

664
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: the University of Utah as opposed to by you? Uh?

665
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Because I knew I wasn't getting back in to by U.

666
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: My first year was terrible. So if you wanted to

667
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: go back to b y U, that would they that

668
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: would have been a problem. It would have I didn't

669
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: even reapply because after you've taken a break, and I've

670
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: been off too and have three years now, and like, okay,

671
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: either reapply and get rejected. I can go to the

672
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: U and the University Utah is a great school, and

673
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: salt Lake is happening place. Thing is when I lived

674
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake, I lived in the Avenues and we

675
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: were all ski bumps, and uh, I'd already graduated from college.

676
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: With my two roommates. They would go to the U

677
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: and they would sign up for the winter some you know,

678
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: for the spring semester. It would snow when they drop out.

679
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: They eventually graduated, but right up there, I took a

680
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: few winners semesters. Basically off, I'd take one or two classes,

681
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: right and you and you'd go snowboarding. Where would you go?

682
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Brighton had a season passed the Brighton for four years? Okay,

683
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: big cotton Wood can Okay. So now you go back

684
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: to Utah and you do buy the turntables, and you

685
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: buy the Wolf hundreds. Second, and you buy a mixture,

686
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: you say, you buy a mail order. You remember who

687
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: you ordered it from? Prose, sound and stage. Okay, this

688
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: is where everybody's buying the stuff from. They saying these

689
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: catalogs and this is kind of like they were the

690
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: DJ place, you know, but this is back before the internet.

691
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, you'd get these catalogs and right yeah, so okay,

692
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: so you have an apartment where you're living in Utah,

693
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: uh just right downtown third East. Um. Yeah, and then

694
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: I moved to the avenue is I had an ane.

695
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I had a house on eleventh Avenue in between D

696
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: and E. Okay, so I mean I was in that

697
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: little area. Okay, So you have your turntables, you're going

698
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: to school. How much you work in the turntables and

699
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: practicing a lot at that point a lot because I

700
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: had time on my hands. I thought I was busy,

701
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: but being a Japanese guid in New York, you weren't busy.

702
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: And at this point you're just having fun and you say,

703
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get good, I'm gonna work. I'm having fun.

704
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm having a lot of fun. I'm snowboarding a and

705
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: I'm spinning records a lot record at this point, at

706
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: this point of a much better student because I had

707
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: put my mind that I can get through school. I

708
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: had learned a lot of good study habits while I

709
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: was in Japan. I'll say that I've learned some discipline

710
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: while I was in Tokyo, so that was a good thing.

711
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Came out of it much better student. But I'm spending basically,

712
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm spending my days and nights going to school, spinning

713
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: records and snowboarding. That was it. Okay, when you're spinning

714
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: records just for yourself, you're playing gigs a lot in

715
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: my bedroom, just hanging out playing records. And in nine five,

716
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: this is kind of when at all changed for me.

717
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: It was the first time like, oh, you can make

718
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: money doing this. We all of a sudde a part

719
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: time job selling jeans at the Chalk Garden. Do you

720
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: remember Trollie Square of course seventies. I worked at this

721
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: place called the Chock Garden Tarlie Square, and I lost

722
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: my job and I still my parents were helping me

723
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: out at this point. But you were losing You lost

724
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: your job. War Oh, I don't know, they're cutting back.

725
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. And deeans weren't selling like okay, but

726
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: it was this wasn't wasn't your behavior? No, no, no, okay.

727
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: So your parents were still helping you out a little

728
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: selp me out a little bit, but um, not enough

729
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: that I could just like live on what they're sending me.

730
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, there was a small monthly stipend, and like

731
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I needed a job to supplement that if I wanted

732
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: to eat um and put gas in the car in

733
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: my Honda Accord. So anyway, that's I approached this club

734
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: called Club Manhattan. Was a small club. The capacity was

735
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: two people. That was not making that up the sign

736
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: on the door people and I said, what's your worst

737
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: night of the week, Because I've got crates of records

738
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: that nobody has heard. And by this time, I mean,

739
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: I'd put a lot of time into the craft, you know,

740
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: to three years, I'd honed the craft a bit um

741
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, Monday night, I can't get anybody in here.

742
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning. Now, you're living in Utah,

743
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: where you're buying your records. A lot of mail orders

744
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: still from Grammophone, so you could call guys up and

745
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: be like, all right, I've got seventy five box, you

746
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: know what's hot this week, and they'd send you stuff.

747
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: But San Francisco has got a great tweak. In was

748
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: another record store in San Francisco, Lower Hate. They were

749
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: mail ordering stuff here in l A beating non stop.

750
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Um was a massive record store in melrose Um. So

751
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys you could call up and

752
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: they were shipping you stuff. So I'm getting records sent

753
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: to me and is there anybody doing this in Utah?

754
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: Prior to you? Is there anybody there is? So there

755
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: is one record store in Utah. But in terms of

756
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: in terms of DJs, there was some guys doing it.

757
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: There was a dude from San Francisco, Nick Cameron, another

758
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: guy from l a Um. You know, there were guys

759
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: doing it. Okay. So you got to this club and

760
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: you say, and he says Monday nights by weeknight. You say,

761
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm like give it to me. And he's like, all right,

762
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: cool um, and he's like, we'll just split the door.

763
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool, We've got to charge a

764
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: couple of bucks at the door. You know, it was

765
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: mainly students. I was gonna, you know, just hit up

766
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, call him up. Anyway, Monday night

767
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: was a smash. The first night we did, like foreignered

768
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: people showed up. Okay. That must have been because you

769
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: worked your phone so to speak, you told all your

770
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: friends to come. You know what it was. It was

771
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: snowboarding because me and my roommates, it's a very social thing.

772
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Just like you said, you had all these skier buddies.

773
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: There's like this community of people, I mean people that

774
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: are coming from like Amsterdam, that lived there for the season.

775
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: So we knew all these people because it was not

776
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: only I'm not the only guy snowboard every day, me

777
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: and all my buddies that we're all living together, and

778
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: do we just put the word out? Sure enough foreignered people. Later,

779
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a smash. The club owners freaking out.

780
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm walking home with like three hundred bucks

781
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: in my pocket. I'm like, I am king of the world.

782
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sell jeans again ever, you know. So

783
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I that was a lot of money at the time

784
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, So now it's the following Monday night,

785
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: so it just keeps going. I was there at that

786
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: club for five years doing Monday nights and I only

787
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: missed a couple of them the entire time. So after

788
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: you tap the snowboard crew, does word get out in town? Yeah,

789
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: because it's a small town. I mean you're talking like

790
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: what a million people or something like this, So that

791
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: whole valley and dude, there's no other competition on Monday night. Like,

792
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: so that was the place if you went out Monday night,

793
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: that was the place to go. So then, you know,

794
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: we raised the door price to five bucks. The entire

795
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: cities showing up at this place, it becomes a problem.

796
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: The city is trying to shut me down. They wrote

797
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: me a few citations to the club, you know, over overcrowding,

798
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: all this stuff, you know, serving a mind, you know.

799
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: So it was a hit, and then I started doing

800
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: other I did a Thursday night for them, and then

801
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: people around town started hiring me. Um. But all of

802
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: this is happening, and it's the first time I had

803
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of cash. So I started buying studio

804
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: equipment about my first day to eight drum machine, rolling

805
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: nine O nine and other drum machine and s H

806
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: one O one small keyboards. I started like amassing equipment

807
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: and that's how it's spending my days, so that by

808
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: this time I'm out of school. I'm like, okay, I

809
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: I love this Madonna record, Vogue whatever, but I don't

810
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: like the arrangement. So I start getting in digital audio workstation.

811
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I had a you know, a Mac you know, pretty

812
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: basic Mac but I had a four track pro tools

813
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: set up on there on my first copy of Logic,

814
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: and that's really where I just started getting into it.

815
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: And then it's just like all in. Once that happened

816
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: and I had a small setup, I was like, okay,

817
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: this is what I was doing every day. UM. And

818
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: I put together put together my first kind of record

819
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that I sold commercially. Um, and it's a bad record.

820
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: How did you do that? Though? You recorded it, and

821
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: how did you get it in terms of press distributed, etcetera.

822
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: So press the Rainbow Records, Rainbow Records, Yeah, it used

823
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: to be. Okay, I've been marrigelist, right, So I called

824
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: those guys up. And that's what people on the West coast,

825
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: that's where who they were, right, We're kind of like

826
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: the premier guys. Um. And uh. During all this the

827
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: records store UM that was local in town, which I

828
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: basically was hanging out a lot. You know, it's very

829
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: John Cusack, you know, like hanging out just like arguing

830
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: over what records are better. And you know, this is

831
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: where you know, practice tej. It's just like where all

832
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the DJs were hanging out. Um. But one of the

833
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: owners left, uh to to go work in Korea for

834
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: the Olympics, so I bought her half out. So I

835
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: was part owner in this record store. But I had

836
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: a relationship with the record distributors. So I was like, listen,

837
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: I buy thousands of dollars records from you guys every week.

838
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: I've got a record I'm gonna sell to you, and

839
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna buy it. I don't care if

840
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: you think it's crap. And they did. They bought it. Okay,

841
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: but did anybody vided retail? Uh yeah, I mean listen,

842
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: we're talking back then. A couple of thousand copies was

843
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: the success, right, You're making like a thousand bucks, Oh

844
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah. But you know, so the people in

845
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: Utah bought it. They knew who you were. Yeah. But

846
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: and it was a drum and bass record, so it's

847
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: a very niche thing. It was a very like London

848
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: sounding record. Um. You know, it's hard to even track

849
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: at that point because you're just selling it. But the

850
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: point is you make a deal, you ship the records.

851
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: If they don't tell, they usually come back. Yeah, they

852
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: didn't come back, so so you assume they sold such

853
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: a small quantity. Okay, but even so a thousand records,

854
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: somebody had to buy it. Okay, so you make that record,

855
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: what's the next step? Um, well, this is kind of

856
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, late nineties, so things are starting to happen

857
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: again for dance music because the late nineties early two

858
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: thousand's that was kind of that first wave of moby

859
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: and you know what do they called it? Electronica? And

860
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was bracing for this thing that was

861
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: coming that never came. But um, you know, so I

862
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: was getting gigs and I was starting to do stuff,

863
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: and um, my wife at this point, uh, well married

864
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: in ninety six, so a little a little bit slower.

865
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: How do you meet your wife snowboarding? Really? And did

866
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: she what was she doing in Salt Lake that She's

867
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: from northern California. She was one of these girls who

868
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: would come to Salt Lake. I met her, Um, she

869
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: came back and I met her again, because it would

870
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: just come up for the season, right, this is where

871
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: these people do these guys, Yeah, they exactly, yeah, and

872
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, and they'd ride and you'd see them and

873
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: you'd be friends with them, and then they'd leave and

874
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: I'd stay there. Did she go to college? She she

875
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: graduated from you. So then so you know her for

876
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years before becomes of romance. No, I

877
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: knew her. I met her, she came back, and right

878
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: away I was interested in. I was like, oh, yeah,

879
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: I remember her from last year. She's awesome, you know,

880
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: and she responds, yeah, it's good. Okay, Okay, So how

881
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: long after you meet or do you get married? Eight months?

882
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: Eight months? Well, it's last day, so it's good. I mean, listen,

883
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: in Mormon world, that's like that's that's ten years. So yeah,

884
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: I was quick because okay, so you get married, how

885
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: big a ceremony is it? Um? Hundred friends and family

886
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: in San Francisco? Um, what's the entertainment? Okay? No, DJ okay.

887
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, you're living in Utah, you're married, You're on

888
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: the half of this record store. So what happens next?

889
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: You put out a record, put out a record, you

890
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: know whatever, a little bit of success. Um, well, I

891
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: just kind of start noticing the industry. I'm like, who's

892
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: successful in this industry and what's working? And I'm kind

893
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: of just trying to pay attention because I'm like, can

894
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: I make a living doing this? Like? How does it work?

895
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: You know? Um? Because here I am the kid of

896
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a conservative family, and my dad was just conservative across

897
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: the board, meaning financially. He was very like, you know,

898
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: go to college, get a degree, get a job, you know,

899
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: just follow the path, you know, stay on course, you know.

900
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: And here I am like, I want to do music

901
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: like and I wasn't even necessarily saying that because I

902
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: was scared to say that out loud because I didn't

903
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: want to. I wanted to be successful. So I was like,

904
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, music is fun and right, right, right, right,

905
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to do all this other stuff. I

906
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: was working in an ad agency for a brief period

907
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: of time, you know, doing graphic design for them, and um,

908
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, I felt really comfortable on a computer. So

909
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: I was doing various jobs here and there. Um, but

910
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: really I just started to understand how the business of

911
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: independent music was working. And I should say, independent dance music, Okay,

912
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: you can press the record, you can sell it, Okay,

913
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: you can get these gigs. And I slowly started getting

914
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: gigs outside of Utah, very slowly. Where the very first

915
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: gig I went to outside of Utah was in Soul, Korea.

916
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: This guy is like he's passing through salt Lake gets

917
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: one of my mix tapes. He's like, this is brilliant.

918
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: I'll fly out here for a ticket and you play

919
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: for nothing, but you can stay on my couch. And

920
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool. Late nineties. I go to Korea,

921
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: I get a you know, I get a gig in

922
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Orange County. Like little things are happening, very small things,

923
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: but I think it was enough to be like, Okay,

924
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: potentially this could work. You're just gonna keep doing it.

925
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: Not only that, the club is still happening at this time,

926
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: so I'm still making money doing it, um, you know,

927
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just buying I mean, dude, I'm buying so

928
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: much music because I'm just a junkie at this point.

929
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm just buying music, buying studio gear, and you know,

930
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: putting nothing into like where I live. You know, I'm

931
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: still living like a college student, needing like five dollar

932
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: pizza every night. You know. So it's all going into

933
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: music and studio equipment. Um. And really, when my wife

934
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: graduated in two thousand, uh, she's like cool, she's not

935
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: from salt Lake. She didn't feel any attachment to that

936
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: play ace. And you know, I've been there for seven

937
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: years or eight years whatever, adding all this time up

938
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: of me going in and out of that place. I

939
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: didn't really either. And I was like, okay, cool, you know,

940
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I'd spent some time in New York, and so let's

941
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: go to New York. She's like, no, let's go to

942
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: San Francisco where she's from. She's from Reading, which is

943
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: way north. Oh yeah, that's not San Francisco. No, it's

944
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: not not at all. Um, that's a stretch. But her

945
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: grandma lived in San Francisco, and she felt like that's

946
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: a place, and that's happening. And I think a lot

947
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: of Reading people kind of end up in San Francisco

948
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: at her you know, or Santa Cruz or you know,

949
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: in that area. We just were like, okay, whoever can

950
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: get a job first, that's where we'll go. So at

951
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: the time, you know, I'm emailing my attaching my resume

952
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: and sending it out to these job places in New York,

953
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: which was a very tech thing at the time. I

954
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: was very proud of me to be able to do that. Um,

955
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: and she just got in the car. I mean maybe

956
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: like not even a week after we graduate, she packed

957
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: up the car and drove San Francisco calls me up

958
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: like three days later. It's like, I got a job. Okay, wait,

959
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: just stop you a little bit. You're married, you living

960
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: in a couple. She's leaves, she packs up the car

961
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: and goes to York and says it goes San Francisco

962
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: and says, what I've got it because we had this

963
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of thing going. Whoever gets a jibo. But when

964
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you say when she left Salt like she didn't have

965
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: the job. No, She's like, I'm gonna go there and

966
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: get a job. Which, if I'm sure, if I would

967
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: have flown to New York, I probably have been a

968
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: lot more successful, you know, Okay, should be there in

969
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: people's faces. And she understood that. Okay. So she goes

970
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: San Francisco, gets what kind of job? I'm just working

971
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: for like one of these dot com you know things

972
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: that's happening. Okay. So she calls you and says, this

973
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: is our deal. You gotta move out. She's like, I

974
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: got a job. It's a great job, pays okay, you know,

975
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: loaded up, And I'm like, oh man, she did it.

976
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: So I loaded up, we moved to San Francisco. UM,

977
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: definitely take a step back in lifestyle move into a

978
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: crumby apartment that was terrible. I couldn't fit my studio

979
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: into you know, my gear, my racks of gear. I'm like,

980
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I can't fit into this. This is but it's all

981
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: we could afford at the time, So don't What do

982
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: you do with the stuff? I put this stuff in

983
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: storage momentarily, um and until I figured out something. You know,

984
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: it took me a while to figure some stuff out,

985
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: a few variations of living. You know, we're bouncing around

986
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: in different apartments. When we first got there, we just

987
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: lived with a friend you know, crash on his floor

988
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: apartment and it was tough. I mean, but saying the

989
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: cool thing, and this is crucial to my story, I think, Um,

990
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: I kind of saw this wave again of excitement. I mean,

991
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the early two thousand's was just crazy.

992
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: There's piles of money being loaded into the city. The

993
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: dot com thing is going crazy. Rents are going through

994
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: the roof, but everyone's out partying every night. So the

995
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: club scene and just deejaying is just it's going crazy.

996
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: The whole thing is going crazy. So I recognized that

997
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: because I had experienced that first wave in Chicago when

998
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: I saw house music break, which it took me moving

999
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake to be like, oh man, not everywhere

1000
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: is experiencing this. That was That was Chicago, New York, London. Wow.

1001
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: You know. I had to get that separation, that distance

1002
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: to be able to look at it and be like, wow,

1003
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of something that was a

1004
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon and I had no idea. But I was

1005
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: more of kind of onlooker, you know. I wasn't like

1006
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: actively participating. I mean, I was going out and dancing,

1007
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like making waves. I wasn't one of

1008
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: these guys setting the trends. I was just following them.

1009
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: But in San Francisco, I kind of realized that a

1010
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: second wave was happening, and it was going on there

1011
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: in the city. And part of that, I think was

1012
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: because the arts were flourishing, because there was so much

1013
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: money around, so all these artists and studios and just

1014
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: so much was going on in the city. Um, and

1015
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: this is when Naked Records and Home Records and all

1016
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: these little like boutique small labels that I was paying

1017
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: attention to really started to thrive. Um. And I got

1018
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: a record at I got a job at Own Records.

1019
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, you moved to San Francisco, your

1020
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: wife has his job before you get the job at

1021
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: Own Records, or do you have a different job. I

1022
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: went to the distributor that I was buying records from

1023
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, TRC Distribution, and worked for them for

1024
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: a few months until I got my job with the label. Okay,

1025
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: how many people worked at home when you work there? Um,

1026
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: it's about ten full employees. How hard was it to

1027
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: get that job? My timing was good, the owner needed

1028
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: an assistant, and I had been pitching the music. I

1029
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: had been sending them some of my demos and had

1030
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: bought one of them under a different Moniker. Skylight was

1031
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: this other thing. So I had a relationship with the owner.

1032
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: I showed up. I didn't, you know, have anything going on.

1033
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm working at this distributor. It's like basically just at

1034
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: an art you know, a warehouse fulfilling record store orders,

1035
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, and talking to record stores on the phone. Um,

1036
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, the guy who has your job

1037
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: is just left. He left to do this digital thing.

1038
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: iTunes are going to start this thing over Apple. I

1039
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: don't know if this is gonna work. You know who

1040
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: knows Bruno you Bara had just recently left. That was

1041
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: his old assistant, and he was there at the ground

1042
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: floor when they started iTunes um And you know, funny

1043
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: to think back on that. Um, but yes, I stepped

1044
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: into his spot and they needed somebody and it was

1045
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: cool because I could I could listen to all the

1046
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: demos and filter stuff through to the boss. And and

1047
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: but I was also a DJ, and I was also

1048
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: pitching him demos, and I could run their studio. They

1049
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: had a small studio, so I was running sessions at

1050
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: that studio. By this time, I've got some time under

1051
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: my belt and I feel, you know, fairly comfortable at

1052
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: a at a mixing desk, and like, I know what

1053
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Um. And it was a help that I

1054
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: had graphic design stuff too, so you know, I mean,

1055
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: at these small labels, everybody does everything right. We're all

1056
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: pitching him to make this thing move on, and it

1057
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: was working and it was a good time for them.

1058
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: They had a compilation series, the you know early two

1059
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: thousand compilations were doing really well. Um. That a compilation series,

1060
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: the Home Lounge that was doing awesome. And Mark Farina

1061
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: with Mushroom jazz. He's one of their premier artists on

1062
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: that label, and it was a fun time and I

1063
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: was there for a couple of years until well, I

1064
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: launched the name Cascade really soon after I got there

1065
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: and got more demos in the mix and my my,

1066
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: I was making music then that I felt like, Okay,

1067
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: this is commercially viable. And I was influenced by the

1068
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: scene and what was happening. It was kind of this

1069
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: hybrid of Chicago meets San Francisco because San Francisco house

1070
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: music was very melodic compared to Chicago. Chicago stuff was

1071
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: very gritty, very you know, eight bits sounding very low fi,

1072
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: and San Francisco was more smooth and beautiful and melodic.

1073
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: So I was like, I can marry these two worlds

1074
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: and I make my own sound. Um. But that was

1075
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: another thing. I think that was the first time I

1076
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: experienced then this is kind of like remember sneaker pimps

1077
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. That wave of kind of down Tomple electronic

1078
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: music was happening, and it was clear to me that

1079
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: songwriting was an important part of what electronic music was

1080
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: going because back dude, even to this day of electronic music,

1081
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: instrumental you know, uh, and I sat in on these

1082
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: sessions and I was getting hired for remixes and the

1083
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: remixes were doing well, and I was like, man, production

1084
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: styles here and are there? I mean, I have my

1085
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: own preferences of how I like things to sound, but

1086
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: songwriting is really the key. I mean, if you write

1087
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: a good song, it stays, you can produce it this

1088
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: way or that, when it doesn't matter, people are gonna

1089
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: love it. So that's what with that idea is where

1090
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: I launched Cascade. I'm like, this is going to be

1091
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: melodic based. Because up in the until Ryan Radden tracks

1092
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: and raid On tracks and all these other little names

1093
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: that I was testing out, we're just me experimenting. But

1094
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: with Cascade, I was like, it's going to be more melodic,

1095
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be song based, and I'm gonna try my

1096
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: handed songwriting. Because I had a friend who was like, man,

1097
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: your dude, it's all about songwriting, and you're a pretty

1098
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: good writer. You should you know. You need to try

1099
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: and put your ideas into a song and that's really

1100
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: what's gonna set you apart. And I agreed. So then

1101
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, that's my that's my lane.

1102
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Because I could see that the guys that were doing successful,

1103
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: they all kind of had their thing. You know. Mcgallen

1104
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: Niggs was huge in the city at the time, and

1105
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he had his thing. He

1106
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: had a whole vibe and his music had this style.

1107
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's kind of we're up to that point. Okay.

1108
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Two questions. How long after you moved to San Francisco

1109
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: do you move to a place where your equipment can

1110
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: be in the apartment? Yourn a couple of years, okay,

1111
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: so you really can only work when you're at home.

1112
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Actually it was a year and a half now that

1113
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: I think about it. I was on Polk Street. Yeah,

1114
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: I was working at home, So was a bunch of

1115
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: my equipment into home, now that I think about that, Okay,

1116
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: And although one can look it up on the internet,

1117
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: people are certainly going be fascinated. How do you come

1118
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: up with the name Casscade? I had sold some music

1119
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: to a Chicago label and it was the first kind

1120
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: of jaunt in this more song based stuff. And it's

1121
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: funny the A and R over there Lady D who's

1122
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: an accomplished DJ in her own right and producer and whatnot.

1123
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to name it Ryan

1124
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Rad and she's like, well, you got two weeks to

1125
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: come give me a name, you know, because this thing

1126
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: is gonna go to press and we've gotta do art work.

1127
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: So take the two weeks and you know, whenever two

1128
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: weeks goes by, and like, literally the night before I'm

1129
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: just like flipping through a nature book and there's a

1130
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: picture of a waterfall and I'm like cascade. And I

1131
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: go to my wife, Hey, what do you think a cascade?

1132
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, the next day at launch, you know,

1133
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: we're all sitting there in the office and what do

1134
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: you guys think a cascade? And they're like, yeah, it's cool,

1135
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: it's memorable. Cascade is super memorable. And I just liked

1136
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: the idea because I wanted it. I wanted the sound

1137
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: of this project to be more organic. I wanted it

1138
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: to feel and I always liked nature and I thought

1139
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: cascade is cool. And then my wife is like, oh,

1140
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: but there's you got to change the spelling. I'm like,

1141
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: I'll just use kids instead of seas and no, I

1142
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: don't know because she's like, oh, there's a dish detergent.

1143
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: That's that. And I'm like, okay, we'll change the spelling.

1144
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: And that was it. And it's funny when I called

1145
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: the and are like, all right, I've got the name,

1146
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: She's like, it took you two weeks to come up

1147
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: with that? Are you serious? Oh man? To like, she

1148
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: just brought me right back down to earth. You're listening

1149
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: to my conversation with Cascade, recorded at the tune In

1150
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: Studios in Venice, California. I hope you're enjoying this episode

1151
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: of the Bomb Left Sets podcast. If you want to

1152
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: see videos, photos, and sound bites from Cascade and our

1153
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: other guests, visit apt tune in on Twitter, Facebook, and

1154
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: Instagram to see them with me in the studio. Now

1155
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: more of my chat with Cascade on the Bob Left

1156
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Sets Podcast. Okay, so at this point we're in what year, um,

1157
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand three. What's your wife doing?

1158
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: She got a job? The dot com thing fizzled out, whatever,

1159
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: she got a job working for Levi Strauss. Their headquarters

1160
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: is there in San Francisco, is working at their office?

1161
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: And what about that? What about issues of kids? No

1162
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: kids yet? Okay, we're still just loving life. Okay. Okay,

1163
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: so you suddenly your a cascade and they press up

1164
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: this record, cascade. What's the next step? Um grinding it

1165
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: really from two thousand and three to the first like

1166
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: seven eight nine years. Really things started change in two thousand,

1167
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: eight thousand, nine thousand and ten. I think two thousand

1168
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: ten was kind of like a two thousand, nine thousand ten.

1169
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: That's when things changed. But up until then, just grinding.

1170
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I was working the job, you know, fifty hours a week,

1171
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: and then I'm just in the studio every waking moment.

1172
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: It's good that we didn't have kids, because I'm sure

1173
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: our relationship would have been destroyed. I was already hanging

1174
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: on by a threat because it's like, I'm in the studio,

1175
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm at work. I'm in the studio, at work. But

1176
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: it was fun because you know, we're young, and we're

1177
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: enjoying the city and having a great time. And she's

1178
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: got a lot of friends in the Bay Area. So

1179
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: it worked. But I was putting out more records, putting

1180
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: out more records, seeing a little success, and I started

1181
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: touring a lot. Okay, how did you start touring? Um

1182
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: after Home? Put me out on a couple of compilations

1183
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: and put out a couple of singles, That's when people

1184
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: started taking note because that record kind of had had

1185
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: cloud within this little scene, right and uh so when

1186
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: they kind of were like, hey, this guy's cool and

1187
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: he's making cool music, that changed things. So people started

1188
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: phoning me up, and I got a booking agent and

1189
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: it was very She was in house at Owned Records

1190
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: for all the little small time artists that are big

1191
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: enough to have a real booking agent. They would call

1192
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: through her and all the requests would come through her,

1193
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: and um I started digging, and then um I did

1194
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: my first like, uh, Australia to where I did, Like, well, well,

1195
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: before you get to Westralia, you're digging in the United

1196
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: States all over the place, how often almost every weekend,

1197
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: almost every weekend, and you're driving yourself there. You're flying flying.

1198
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm solo, no tour manage or nothing like that, just

1199
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: flying to these places. I mean, these gigs are playing

1200
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: like five, so you need a couple of those a week,

1201
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, seven, eight, nine thousand bucks. O man, Okay, cool,

1202
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: I can make a living. You know, I'm doing anywhere

1203
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: from like five gigs a month to ten gigs a month,

1204
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: and you're still working, a still getting paid, a still

1205
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: getting paid at on that came to a crash landing.

1206
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: I kind of screwed up one of the projects while

1207
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: I was away. Um, the artwork files weren't right. And

1208
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: I came back and he's like, look, it's cool, You're

1209
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: things starting to take off. You're not gonna be able

1210
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: to do both of these, but I wasn't at a

1211
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: point where we could survive. I needed both incomes really

1212
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: um to be living in San Francisco. So uh, he

1213
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: cut me away, which was very nice of him. Um.

1214
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: Chris Smith, the guy ran, I was really nice of him.

1215
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: Where was he today? He's still running own records, still

1216
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, um um. And I took my wife

1217
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: out to a very nice dinner that I couldn't afford

1218
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I've lost my job, but we're gonna

1219
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: be all right. And I felt that way. I was like,

1220
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: we'll be all right. I think this is gonna work.

1221
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: You know. I started feeling more and more confident when

1222
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: I was out there. I just needed some more time

1223
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: to kind of like gain get some steam going. Um.

1224
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think back then it was

1225
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: just such a hustle because there was so little money.

1226
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: I think back then people were seeing me as successful.

1227
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: But you know whatever, I'm making sixties seventy thousand dollars

1228
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: a year living in San Francisco. We're dying. We're going

1229
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: under each month, just a little bit farther um. But

1230
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: I just kept that at you know, I don't know why,

1231
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: just because what I knew how to do it. By

1232
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: this time, I've got a decade or more of history.

1233
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: I understood the industry. It's like, I don't know what

1234
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: else ide do at this point, you know, and you're

1235
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: talking about going to Australia. So ine to Australia. Yeah,

1236
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: that's when the Debaco happened. I came back and he's like,

1237
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: you're screwed up. Okay, So now you're continually living in

1238
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: San Francisco and it's not working economically. The same woman

1239
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: at Olms still booking you. Yep, okay, So what's the

1240
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: next step? And then I get a manager, uh, Stephanie Lefera.

1241
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: I forget what year that was. It was about let's see,

1242
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: I knows it was just two thousand four, two five, Yeah,

1243
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: right around there, two thousand five, two thousand and six,

1244
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: something like this. She hears my music, she's based in

1245
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: New York. She's working at the office that books mobi

1246
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: and manage them. And she's a young intern kind of

1247
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: assistant coming up, finds my music, loves it. Hey, can

1248
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: I help you out? I'm like, sure, how much does

1249
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: that cost you? How do you do this? You know? Um?

1250
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: And so then I kind of had a small team going.

1251
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: I had me a manager, a booking agent, and it

1252
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: slowly started to grow. And how many nights to work

1253
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: week are you working? Then I'm taking every gig that

1254
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: I can take. It didn't even matter. I mean they

1255
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't know that at the time, that they referred me

1256
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: two d dollars or a thousand dollars that I would

1257
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: take it. It didn't matter. I mean I was playing

1258
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: gigs for next to nothing. But back then that was

1259
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: super crucial because nobody there's no radio stations. There's no

1260
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: way to get people to hear your music. You know,

1261
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: there's no Spotify, there's no there's no The only way

1262
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: they play people your music is to get out there

1263
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: and play the nightclubs. And there are a clique of

1264
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: kids that were very devoted to the underground. Like there

1265
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: is now, it's just much bigger and it's more of

1266
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: a festival scene now, but you know there's underground house

1267
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: music clubs and every city from New York to l

1268
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: A and Tokyo whatever. They're all over the place. There

1269
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: have been a wave of guys that had come before me,

1270
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: that Eric Morrillo's and the Junior Vasquez and Derek Carter's

1271
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: and Mark Freenez that had already kind of set up

1272
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: a platform for me to exist in UM. So I

1273
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: just was kind of following suit and doing what I

1274
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: could do UM. But I was definitely like that second

1275
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: or third generation of guys coming. So it's hard to

1276
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: break in, you know, it's very hard. So what was

1277
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: the break? I never really had that ah ha moment.

1278
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: I had a few things along the way. I think

1279
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: for me. The biggest moment where I knew things were

1280
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: changing and I knew like the old guard was that

1281
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't matter as much anymore. As much as I love them,

1282
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: I think their relevancy was wearing off. Was two thousand

1283
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: and nine when I played E. D C. I played

1284
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: the main stage and I had had a string of

1285
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: hits and when I say hits, hits in the underground

1286
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: where I could play them to a club of three

1287
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: people and people were singing along, and I'm like, damn,

1288
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: this is working, right. I didn't no matter where I

1289
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: was in the world, these people knew this record. So

1290
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: not only am I playing it my FM station, was

1291
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: these thousands of DJs across the planet that we're getting

1292
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: there and playing my music on Friday and Saturday night

1293
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: in their local clubs. So they're playing these mixes. I'm

1294
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: showing up and people are knowing them. So more promote

1295
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: as are like, man, the club's packed when you're here,

1296
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: you know. So at this point, I'm just rolling. I'm

1297
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: doing two fifty shows a year. I'm starting a family.

1298
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: At this point, I mean, it's just getting chaotic. It

1299
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: sounds like and so Okay, you continue to have the

1300
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: same manager in the same agent. Yes, small change agents

1301
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: a few times along the way, Okay, how does that happen?

1302
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: You realize that person is not big enough for what

1303
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: you're doing, or someone approaches you this person is not

1304
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: big enough for what I'm doing. I gotta start looking elsewhere. Okay,

1305
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: you're starting a family and you're on the road for

1306
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: two and fifty days a year. That doesn't sound like

1307
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. It's a freaking miracle that it did.

1308
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: I can't when I look back to those times. So's

1309
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: some dark days there, but I was having so much

1310
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: fun and my wife Naomi, bless her so she stood

1311
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: by me this entire time. I mean, I don't know

1312
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: how we made it work. Okay, back on it. We

1313
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: were young and dombint we didn't know any for getting

1314
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: the family. Just talking about Naomi. Did does she like

1315
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: your music? She does? She loves house music, okay. You

1316
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: know she was driving from Reading into San Francisco and

1317
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: going to their rave scene that they had then and

1318
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: with similar tastings. Okay. And did she believe in you?

1319
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: She did? She didn't. She didn't tell me no, but

1320
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: was she You're like your greatest champion saying she was?

1321
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: She was like out there do it okay, and she's

1322
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, a really hard worker and understood that. Okay,

1323
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: this is important for you to keep doing these gigs.

1324
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: It is slowly getting better and better with each year. Um.

1325
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: But going back two thousand and nine is when E

1326
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: d C. I sat down with the Pascuala and I'm

1327
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: good friend. I mean, I DJE DJed his wedding, I

1328
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: played his mom's funeral. I've known Pascual for years. This

1329
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: guy's booked me so many times I could had lost

1330
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: count um and he was a champion of me and

1331
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: my sound. So that was that helped. It was a

1332
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: game changer. But I think a lot of American promoters

1333
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: felt the pressure and they saw electronic music as a

1334
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: European thing, you know, house music, and it was always

1335
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: it was such, it had that kind of you know,

1336
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: people listen to house music are the people who ordered

1337
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: the cheese platter. You know. It's kind of like it

1338
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: was a different kind of thing. What was funny because

1339
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: where I came from it was very blue collar. It

1340
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: was like the working class music in Chicago was like, yeah,

1341
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: I get down and dirty and a you know, in

1342
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: a ugly nightclub. So I had a very different thought

1343
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: process and they did. Anyway, around two thousand and eight,

1344
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, a lot more guys are coming over

1345
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: because money starts kind of pouring into the scene. These

1346
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: rays are getting bigger, the clubs are getting bigger. Things

1347
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: are changing. I'm making a good living now. Um. But

1348
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 1: I sat down with him in a room and pounded

1349
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: on the he he had booked the Swedish house Mafia.

1350
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: Nobody really knew at the time in America. And I

1351
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: sat down and I pounded on the table and like,

1352
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: this is freaking crap. Man, you gotta have my back.

1353
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: These guys. Nobody knows these guys. That's wonderful that they're

1354
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: huge in Stockholm or that they are massive in London.

1355
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm here in freaking California. Man, you

1356
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: can't do me like this. I got really upset. And

1357
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: he remembers me, and I was pounding on the table.

1358
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I've never seen you like this. You're so passive.

1359
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm not going to take these guys scraps, dude.

1360
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm playing rooms three times the size of what these

1361
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: guys are doing when they come here, because I'm here,

1362
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm this is this is my circuit, bro. And I

1363
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: think they felt a lot of pressure from the European

1364
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: agents and promoters and all that that well there's you

1365
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: know over there. This was the first taste of well

1366
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: on social media, they have these numbers and on this

1367
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 1: and that. Because up till this point in the underground

1368
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 1: it was hard to distinguish had value and who didn't.

1369
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: It was mainly who just thumped their chest. The loudest.

1370
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: That guy must be huge. You know. Then YouTube came

1371
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 1: along and you start pictures of these peoples and videos

1372
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: of their shows, like, wow, they're huge anyway. But in

1373
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, I played that main stage, so you

1374
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: can played the main stage because you basically bang your

1375
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: hands on the table for Pasqual. I think he was

1376
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: he was gonna put me there that year anyway, because

1377
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: I played some previous years and was attracting these massive crowds.

1378
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: I mean like I was kind of like the people's

1379
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: choice at this point um and a California favorite, so

1380
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: I think he was gonna put me there just on

1381
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: the building. I was like, I'm not going underneath these people.

1382
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm happy for them that they're huge overseas, that's wonderful,

1383
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: but when they come here, this is this is my place.

1384
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: They can be billed below me or beside me, but

1385
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play under these guys. And he

1386
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: heard me out and he gave me a chance. In

1387
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: two thousand nine was one of those moments where I

1388
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: was standing at E d C in front of you know,

1389
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: fifty six d thousand people whatever it was, that Colosseum

1390
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: was full and the place was it was a giants

1391
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: sing along to my stuff, and I think at that

1392
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: point he was like, Okay, yeah, you really have done

1393
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: something here, you know, so and that kind of solidified

1394
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: our relationship and um, I mean he was really great

1395
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: and kind to me before that. But and then a

1396
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: lot of people and promoters around the world we're watching

1397
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: what ADC was doing. So the fact that I had

1398
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: clout with them and things were playing so well, that

1399
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: just helped. And then I think another important piece in

1400
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: the touring story. I mean, whatever, we can talk about

1401
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: so many different facets of this, but in two thousand

1402
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: tents when Vegas got involved, and that was a game

1403
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: changer that changed everything. I mean, that's forward for those

1404
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: people who are not deep into the scene. So I know,

1405
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: Vegas goes into UH dance music and there's Pakistan. They're

1406
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: all these different clubs. But when you're there as part

1407
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: of the scene, suddenly you just get a call and

1408
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: they say, okay, you know, we're ready to do this.

1409
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: Two thousand seven, two eight. I'm going out there occasionally

1410
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: and playing for these casinos and some shows are good,

1411
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: some they're not so good. But it's different because everything

1412
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: is hip hop. It's all radio right up to that point.

1413
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: And then I show up and I'm playing stuff that

1414
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: these clubs people have never even heard this stuff, like

1415
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: what is this? You know it exists in the underground.

1416
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: But it was working because I'd have enough fans at

1417
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: this point, I'm close enough to l A. People were

1418
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,799
Speaker 1: coming out and they'd fill the club and they drank

1419
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: and there was a party. Um, so Vegas got interested

1420
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: in the music pretty quickly. In two thousand and nine,

1421
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: Steve Winn and his team called me up and they said,

1422
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: we want to build a pool and have an outdoor

1423
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: pool party. And I'm like, hallelujah, let's do this. And

1424
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: I said I got a better they want to They're like,

1425
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: we want to book you once a month during our

1426
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: peak season during summer. And I said, I got a

1427
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: better idea for you from Memorial Data Labor Day. I'll

1428
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: play every Saturday for you guys, and we'll make it

1429
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: a thing and we'll brand it. And they're like, yes,

1430
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: this is what we want. Perfect, let's work a deal.

1431
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: Whatever this is happening. I mean, there's only one other

1432
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: pool party in town at that point. It's rehab, but

1433
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: it's very it's hip hop. It's a hip hop driven,

1434
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: considered urban, so nobody is doing this in this country.

1435
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: But I had been to a Beasa several times and

1436
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: I had seen how these guys are doing it, and

1437
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, man if I didn't have to fly all

1438
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: the way to a Besa because that's twenty four hour travel,

1439
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: or I'm like, this changes my life if this works.

1440
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: And I remember coming home from the meeting. I flew

1441
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: back home. They showed me the big pit in the ground.

1442
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: This is where we're digging the pool, and it's going

1443
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: to be cool. And we want it, you know, they're

1444
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: we want a very European we want it, We want

1445
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: it cool. We wanted Sheep play your cool house music.

1446
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: You know. Anyway, we opened up that Memorial Day two

1447
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, and five thousand people are inside and

1448
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: there's probably another ten thousand people lined up down the block,

1449
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: and that town had never seen anything like it still

1450
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: to this day hasn't. I mean, it was just like

1451
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: dynamite Adam Bomb went off on the I mean, dude,

1452
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: it just changed. It was just a massive shift from

1453
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: whoa we've got hip hop to like this kid from

1454
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco can show up and attract ten thousand people

1455
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: and we can ring a million dollars? How much are

1456
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: we paying this guy? Okay? And everyone was flushed with cash.

1457
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: Um So I was there that summer and it was

1458
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: just I mean, dude grins from ear to ear, the staff,

1459
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: the owner's Mr. Wynn, was my body. I mean, it's

1460
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: just everything was firing on all fronts, you know, four

1461
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: gigs into it. I'm like, okay, we need to readjust something.

1462
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: I need to get paid some more money, you know. Uh.

1463
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: And at this point I have an attorney, Had Shapiro.

1464
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 1: Great guy has been with me almost since the beginning.

1465
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: Um and he's the longest member of my team. I

1466
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: should say seventeen years I've been working with this guy.

1467
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: But anyway, he uh, you know, he really helped me out,

1468
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: and that my you know, agent, and everybody kind of

1469
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: rallied behind me. And I think we knew that that summer.

1470
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, because if something works in Vegas, every casino

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: is going to copy it. Right. Of course, they can't

1472
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: make me making tens of millions of dollars and have

1473
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: people not rip off the idea, not in Vegas. So

1474
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: of course that next year, more and more stuff showed

1475
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: up and then you know, Cosmopolitan came online, Hakkasan came inline,

1476
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: and I mean they were just were buying talent like crazy.

1477
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: And what happened is there's so much competition and there's

1478
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: only a few artists, so the fees just went through

1479
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: the roof. I mean it was just, Yeah, I could

1480
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: move from San Francisco down here. I was already feeling

1481
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: that because I was writing and producing a lot of

1482
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: stuff in two thousand and I moved down here in

1483
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and I wanted to be closer

1484
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: to l A. And I had a studio in Santa Monica,

1485
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: and I was commuting from Orange County. I couldn't afford

1486
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: l A. So I was living in Orange County and

1487
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: commuting back and forth. Um, but I knew things were

1488
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: changing and there was a shift, uh musically because I

1489
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: was doing all these remixes and then six months later

1490
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: versions of that remix with a new song, we're showing up.

1491
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: That production style was going closer and closer to the radio.

1492
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I gotta be in l A and

1493
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: be closer to this, even if the d J thing

1494
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of creps out because Vegas wasn't locked in, right,

1495
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: I was like I could produce people's records. I mean, wow,

1496
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, a little teeny bit of a Madonna record

1497
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: or Beyonce record is gonna that will take care of

1498
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: us by these producers there they're listening to my remixes.

1499
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: I know they are. They have to be. It's too

1500
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: close stylistically. Anyway, that all kind of happened in a

1501
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: very quick time that Vegas came online. I moved down here,

1502
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, I changed my life. I mean, even to

1503
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,799
Speaker 1: this day, Vegas accounts for about forty of my revenue

1504
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: touring wise. I mean it's a it's a large number. Okay,

1505
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: so how often do you work in Vegas? Um? This year,

1506
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing a little over thirty shows, thirty five shows

1507
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: something like. Okay, and you're working. We're in Vegas now.

1508
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm with the Hakkasan group and that's Caesar's Omnia Um

1509
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: Hakkasan the club what Republic is at the MGM, So

1510
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: they have you know, they manage multiple clubs there, but

1511
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: I kind of rotate between those three venues. And if

1512
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: this late date, how business for them? It's cooled off

1513
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean we're talking about two thousands

1514
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: ten where it was so then every club opened up,

1515
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: and so now you've got you know, twelve fifteen clubs

1516
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: on the strip, and you know, six pool parties, eight

1517
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: pool parties. Wherever it is, everyone's doing it. So when

1518
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: I say it's cooled off, it's cooled off for them.

1519
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's as wild as it's ever been.

1520
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: So pay for you, because I know from talking to

1521
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: people to the business, pay for you has stayed the

1522
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: same or going up. It's grown up. I kind of

1523
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 1: hit a ceiling about three years ago, but it's essentially

1524
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: stayed the same. They got a little bit smarter. Used

1525
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: to be in a locked in fee, it didn't matter

1526
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: five old people. There are five thousand people were there.

1527
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: Now they've built in bonuses, so they've hedged their bets

1528
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: a little bit um just because the club's kind of

1529
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: got smarter and started talking to one another and hey,

1530
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here? We can't pay for

1531
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, it doesn't matter five thousand people

1532
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: show up, We're not you know, because it just became

1533
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: more competitive. There was more real estate, you know, there's

1534
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: more tables, there's more clubs to go to, and you

1535
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: know that lowered the entrance fee for the patrons, and

1536
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: it changed it a little bit. Well, pause here for

1537
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: a reef moment and get right back to my conversation

1538
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: with the Cascade. You know, I'm primarily a writer, and

1539
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: you can read my work and left sets dot com.

1540
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: Sign up for the newsletter or just read it on

1541
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: the blog if you don't want to get your inbox

1542
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: blown up. In addition to following my commentary on music,

1543
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: tech in the world at large, as well as my

1544
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: personal life, you'll be the first to find out when

1545
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: we've published a new episode of the podcast. Go to

1546
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,640
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1547
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,280
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1548
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: all the spam. I know you'll enjoy it now more

1549
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: with world famous DJ Casscade, recorded live at the tune

1550
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: In Studios in Venice, California. Okay, So in that ten

1551
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: year period and when you start with Vegas to now,

1552
01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: what else changes for you? M I think the music

1553
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: just continued. I just continued to be an album guy,

1554
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: and there were there weren't many of those in my world,

1555
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: and a song guy. You know, I sticked with my

1556
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 1: original kind of two thousand to two thousand three idea,

1557
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: and everybody kind of came around to that, like E.

1558
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: D M was kind of centered around that, like oh,

1559
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: as to have a vocal, this could potentially cross over

1560
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: to radio. That was never my thing, And I don't

1561
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: really particularly right like that. I've never had any radio success. Um,

1562
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: I still kind of right for a nightclub. I don't know.

1563
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: It's a hard lane to get out of, the hard

1564
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: thing to change my mindset. But I'm I'm comfortable with that.

1565
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: That's fine. Um but um yeah, So I just continue

1566
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: putting out records, and my fan base grows and grows

1567
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: and grows, and social media. With the onset of social media,

1568
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I could talk directly to the people.

1569
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: Where before I had to go to St. Louis to

1570
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: meet my fans and playing a club and fill a club.

1571
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: Now I can on Twitter, I can get on Facebook,

1572
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: I can send a direct message directly to them I'm

1573
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: coming here. And it totally helped me. So to what

1574
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: degree do you participate on social media? I am it's

1575
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: nauseating how much I'm on there. I apologize to anyone

1576
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: who follows me. But um, I think it was so

1577
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: important because we have no other way. People in my world,

1578
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: there's no other way to broadcast a message. I can

1579
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: playing a club here, I'm playing festival there. It's important

1580
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: for me to talk to these people. And I think

1581
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: it's really gratifying. I mean, when SoundCloud was the thing,

1582
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: it was so awesome for me to like whip something

1583
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: up and edit a mash up, a remix or whatever

1584
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: it was, a new song, put it on there, go

1585
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: to Twitter and like, hey, check it out and post

1586
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: it up and just get that instant feedback before I'm

1587
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: pressing a record that takes two and a half months

1588
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: to press. I shipped the record out, it goes to

1589
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: the store, comes back. I go to that city six

1590
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: months later, you know, a couple of people have found

1591
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: that record. Go there year later, everybody's singing. It was

1592
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: like this eighteen month twenty four month lag of me

1593
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: creating this thing to when people like it absorbed it.

1594
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: Now it's like I can put it out and have

1595
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: this conversation immediately with people. So I loved it. And

1596
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: to what degree on social media is it all primarily

1597
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm coming, this is what I'm doing. Or do you

1598
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: also communicate with fans and talk about subjects that have

1599
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you, particularly you'll have to do

1600
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: with music or the world at large. Um, I talk

1601
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: about a lot of random stuff. Um, I let people

1602
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: into my world Somewhat. I'm pretty private, but I still

1603
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: share songs of like I should still share thoughts of hey,

1604
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: this is how I wrote this song, and this is

1605
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: what the catalyst was for this, or you know, this

1606
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: is why I'm touring. And I have a lot of

1607
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: discussions in and around music just about like whatever, this

1608
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing on Thursday afternoon. And I think

1609
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: people like that and they appreciate it. And what platform

1610
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: is your platform of choice? Sadly I'm I'm a Twitter

1611
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: guy because I don't know why. Sadly, well, because it's

1612
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: not as popular as it once was, and I think

1613
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: the younger kids have kind of lost that on Twitter.

1614
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, they want Snapchat and whatnot. I don't. I

1615
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like I'm producing a television show

1616
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: every day. I don't like pointing my phone at me,

1617
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: and I don't appreciate that. I like Twitter because I

1618
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: like to write, so I can get on there and

1619
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: show you know quick atlantic. Don't think that's how many

1620
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: followers you have today. It's over a million, one point

1621
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: three million, one point four millions, And what about Instagram

1622
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: about the same amount Instagram. I enjoy Instagram because it

1623
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: can be very curated, and I feel like it's still

1624
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: an art. I have a photog and videographer follow me,

1625
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: and we can still put stuff up that's neat, but

1626
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: it is more curated my my channel. I you know,

1627
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm aware of what's happening and put images that

1628
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: I like up. Okay, so you've achieved certainly far beyond

1629
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,480
Speaker 1: most people's wildest dreams. What is left in the landscape

1630
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: that you would like to achieve? Um? I think now

1631
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: it's just more about legacy. You know, what have I

1632
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: added to this scene? I know what it gave me.

1633
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: It gave me a life and uh and I'm thankful

1634
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: for that. So I think, you know, I still feel

1635
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: like there's quite a bit of writing left in me

1636
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: and a few songs that I still want to share.

1637
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I still feel that I still want to write and

1638
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: produce and continue sharing. I'm really interested in Sun Soaked

1639
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: and seeing that become a brand that can stand on

1640
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: its own. I mean, right now, it's essentially a cascade concert,

1641
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: a show that people are going to that's on the beach.

1642
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: Well that's special. Um, but I'd like to see that

1643
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: potentially be in more places. Um, something that I could

1644
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: be really having involved with. But um, you know, kind

1645
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: of transition and make it something more than just being

1646
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: about me, you know, bring other artists and make it

1647
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: multiple days. Have it been a few different looks? You know,

1648
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: we're sitting here on Thursday, the week following Sun Soaked

1649
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: in Long Beach. There were thirty one thousand people there. Uh,

1650
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: to what degree with your were you happy or unhappy

1651
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: with certain elements of the show? Thank you for your

1652
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: right up by the way that was I said it

1653
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: was great and people should only go the amazing thing here.

1654
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: And I just know because this promoter, Eric Kurtz, took

1655
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: me two thousand and ten or whatever to Hard Halloween

1656
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: and it really opened my eyes. And the funniest thing

1657
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: was people very good friends. And I said, you're not

1658
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna believe. We gotta tell you a story. We went

1659
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: to the USC football game and walking by all these

1660
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: people and I said, I was there and there I've

1661
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: bucked out. So you know, that's how I really originally

1662
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 1: got into the scene. I've been to Abitha couple of times, etcetera.

1663
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: And what blows my mind is that people have no

1664
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,520
Speaker 1: idea what's going on here, being its sunsoaked. The amazing

1665
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: thing was and it's not amazing to you, but for

1666
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: those of us everyone singing along to songs that are

1667
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: not mainstream songs mainstream meaning you know, the Spotify top

1668
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: fifty are written about in the media or whatever. This

1669
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: is obviously that important to them. And the other thing,

1670
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: of course, is a social atmosphere. You got to a

1671
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: regular show and you bump into something. It happens all

1672
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: the time, Okay, just walking along, Hey man, what are

1673
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: you doing? Hey? No, no, no, no, sounds like oh cool,

1674
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 1: no problem. It's very yeah, you know, so it's a

1675
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: great atmosphere. Now, the other thing, I was told that

1676
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: there were no trips to the hospital, okay, and this

1677
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: is very different from many other electronic music festivals. Why

1678
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: do you think that is? I think it's partly me

1679
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: as a person and the people that I've attracted, um

1680
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: through years of touring you know, my music. I think

1681
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm emitting a message that that you know, it isn't

1682
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: like that helps that right, that environment, So it's about you.

1683
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: It's you're setting a tone. I think listen, dance music

1684
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: is like that generally speaking, right, But then I think

1685
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys that's in front of that

1686
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: kind of leading that charge. I like to think of

1687
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: myself as that anyway. Um, you know, I've been very,

1688
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: very fortunate with my live shows I've done. I mean,

1689
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, that's the largest like single act ticket

1690
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: sales of anyone in my world, certainly in North America.

1691
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: I don't know about Europe, and I can't speak for

1692
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: some of these other places. But thirty one people, this

1693
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: is this is insane, and I think the thing that

1694
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: is so difficult for people in the music industry to understand.

1695
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: And I'm managed now by rock Nation and Jay Brown.

1696
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: They're just so fascinated because it is it's how do

1697
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: these people know these songs? How you got thirty one

1698
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: people singing along to a song that I released eight

1699
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean, I could turn the record off

1700
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: and they'll sing the course with the hands in the air.

1701
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: It boggles my mind. It blows my mind. But that's

1702
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: the age of the Internet. People are finding this stuff.

1703
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: When you look at my spins on Spotify, there there's

1704
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: nothing special, you know, on like four and a half

1705
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: five million streams a month. This is you know, I'm

1706
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: not even in the top I don't think, you know,

1707
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: But yet I can go and sell these many tickets.

1708
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Many popex have a very difficult time doing something like this,

1709
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: and that's really Listen. That's how I discovered your emails,

1710
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: because it was I'm outside of this music industry. I

1711
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of sit on the outside. I'm looking in. But

1712
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: yet I've been able to find in carve my own niche.

1713
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's been so fascinating to the

1714
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: people around me and even myself. I'm still kind of

1715
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: like shocked and scratched my head. Okay, you know, if

1716
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: you go back to you know, the classic rockers, the Stones,

1717
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: the Beatles, they said, hey, we'll do this for ten years.

1718
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: We'll go back to hometown, we go back to the factory.

1719
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Do you anticipate if your forty seven now, you anticipate

1720
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: years from now you'll still be in Vegas or somewhere

1721
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: spinning records? No? No, why not? I don't think so.

1722
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: This is a young person's game. It really is. It's

1723
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: a it's very dance music is young, full of life,

1724
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: and I think it would be ficult to be like

1725
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: a really old guy up there trying to lead that charge. Um.

1726
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I think listen, I'm always going to be writing and

1727
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: producing records on some level because that that satisfies something

1728
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: inside of me. Right. I love writing a song, I

1729
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: love working on music, I love remixing stuff. Um and listen,

1730
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll have the occasional tour like dust it

1731
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: off the turntaip, let me get out there and do something.

1732
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: But to the degree that I'm touring now and stuff, no,

1733
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean I've slowly been kind of winding it down

1734
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: for the last sound of three or four years. I've

1735
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, at that peak when I was doing two

1736
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: hundred plus shows a year too. Now, you know, do

1737
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: a hundred shows this year, hundred and ten shows or something.

1738
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: It's half of what it was. Um one, because I

1739
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: make so much more money per show, so to hustle

1740
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: is hard. Um, but I think it will continue to

1741
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of go that way. Um. Okay, but a hundred

1742
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: is you know, you have many legendary acts who do

1743
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: sixty shows every other year, So a hundred shows there's

1744
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 1: still a lot of shows. Yes, it is, okay, not

1745
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: in my world, but yes, of course, of course you're

1746
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: in DJ but anybody as they become more successful, because

1747
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: we know I remember, I think I was talking to Metallica.

1748
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: They went all they went on the road. When they

1749
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: all came back and got a divorce. You know, you're

1750
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: on you're working so hard on what you do, your

1751
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: life completely changes. So when you get to the point

1752
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: you want to get a certain point, you want a

1753
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: life work balance. But that does not necessarily mean you

1754
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: stop working, right, I agree with that, Okay. I mean

1755
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: you said twenty years from that. That just seems like

1756
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: a really long time. Okay. I think what you're saying

1757
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: is with the classic rock accent, they couldn't even imagine

1758
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: especially you know. Okay, but come on, further questions. What's

1759
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: it like to be on stage when and don't forget

1760
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but people listening dance music, it's

1761
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: a very active audience. They're not sitting passively. You don't

1762
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: have to wait for the song to end man to

1763
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: get applause. What's it like being on stage in front

1764
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: of that many people, getting that reaction, having them in

1765
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: the palm of your hand. It's insane. I mean, it's

1766
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: impossible for me to describe. It's the energy flowing through

1767
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: me is crazy. It's very difficult for me to sleep

1768
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: after a show or to calm down. It takes a while.

1769
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I've I'm it's electric. It's funny you

1770
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: say that because people, you know, people always say they're

1771
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: criticisms of musicians. You know, go into a minor. One

1772
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: would be, well they date models. Well, models have the

1773
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: same lifestyle, you know, traveling around the world, staying up

1774
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: all night whatever. The next thing is, well, why do

1775
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: they all do drugs? I know you don't do drugs,

1776
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: but I always say it's very hard. You know, you're

1777
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 1: loved by twenty people in an arena, you get back

1778
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: into the bus with the same guys that you know

1779
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: since high school. You can't come down for hours. They

1780
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: use the drugs. I'm not saying that's a good thing,

1781
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: but the average person has no idea what it's like.

1782
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: You know, It's like if I write and I get

1783
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: most inspired later at night, you know, I can't write

1784
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and go to bed. You're just all fired up. You

1785
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: gotta get the idea. You gotta and I mean it's

1786
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: very physical as well. You see you on stage, I'm

1787
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: jumping around. I'm running to this side, run and that side.

1788
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: It's just and I have to do that because so

1789
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: much is flowing through me. I feel like I could

1790
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 1: lift up a car and throw it into the audience

1791
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: at certain point, you know, I mean, it's it's great.

1792
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: So that's a great analogy. Just you know. Another thing

1793
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: that people have criticism electronic music. They say that basically

1794
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: it's all on hard drive and the guys just pressing

1795
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: and play. When you are on stage, how much are

1796
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: you creating on stage? Great question. I'm gonna make this

1797
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: as short of answer as I could possibly make. There's

1798
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: weren't an interesting spot with electronic music for a very

1799
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: long time. A lot of it was being created. And

1800
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: what I mean by that as I show up and

1801
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I've got two or three records behind me, I know

1802
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: the first record I'm gonna play, sure, but I have

1803
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: no idea what's gonna happen. And then it's this interesting

1804
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: relationship that you have with the audience. And this is

1805
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: certainly true in the nightclubs where you're kind of like

1806
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: weaving this tapestry, this audio tapestry right with them, and

1807
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: you're going in and out, and there is a skill

1808
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: of lining this up and blending knees and picking the

1809
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: next song. And it's very it's very organic thing, and

1810
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: it is a talent and whatever, I'll sitting here and argue,

1811
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: even if I'm not in this business, how I'm telling

1812
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: you there are guys that do it really, really well,

1813
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: that have learned and honed that for a very long time.

1814
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: As it became digitized and it changed things a little bit,

1815
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: it was a lot easier to have less talent and

1816
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: be able to pull it off because then it became

1817
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: more about the song. Okay, write a good song, get

1818
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: up in front of the audience and play it. That's

1819
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: good enough, and you are just pressing play. I am

1820
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: trying to blend those two worlds of the old and

1821
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: the new. I mean, I still show up on stage

1822
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: and I have a playlist with a hundred songs on it,

1823
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 1: and I think I know what I'm gonna play. And

1824
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: to my two ring parties, Dismay and and and I

1825
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: mean they hate me for this that I still kind

1826
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: of go off on these tangents. They want me to

1827
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: provide them a set list so all the pyrotechnics and

1828
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: everything can be all in sync and it can be

1829
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: this beautiful show. And I refused to do this because

1830
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, man, even if I give you a

1831
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: set list, I'm not going to stick to it. Then

1832
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,879
Speaker 1: it would be no fun. And for me, well, and

1833
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: I came up in a time when that didn't exist.

1834
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I toured for ten years by myself, like

1835
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I did whatever the hell I wanted to do, Like

1836
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: I didn't have to answer to anyone. So they hate

1837
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: me in a twenty four hours of the gig. They're like,

1838
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: what are you starting with? You know, what are you

1839
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna do? And I'm like, okay, I think I might

1840
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: start here, and I'm pretty sure I'm an end here

1841
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: in between, you know, but the guy. But what we've

1842
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: discovered is the guys that do the best with me,

1843
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: they just go and play every show with me. So

1844
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: as I incorporate new mixes and finished new songs, and

1845
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I can incorporate that on my show, and they're hurt

1846
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: and they're familiar with it, and so they become a

1847
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: season as I am. And that's the best way to

1848
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: to it. Instead of these guys just shown up at

1849
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: the big shows that they're at the big shows, the

1850
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: small shows. I'm playing five people they're they're they're listening

1851
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: to it. They work in the video of the lights.

1852
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: So what about the health of the scene at this point.

1853
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Uh, it's kind of broken into

1854
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: two things. So there's kind of like a pop lane

1855
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: where you got David Getta's and Calvin Harris's that have

1856
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: taken dance music and opened it up to a wider audience,

1857
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: which is awesome, um, and that angered some of the

1858
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: people when we were all in one scene, when we're

1859
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: all just one group of guys. But now it's kind

1860
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 1: of fractured, and the underground has become like all ships

1861
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: rise with the tide, right, So even the underground is

1862
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: much bigger and more profitable and healthier because this pop

1863
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 1: stuff is there. But I think it took a moment

1864
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: for people to realize like, oh, that's them over there,

1865
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: that's the pop stuff, and this is us where the underground.

1866
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: So they're kind of separated now. Before there was that

1867
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: weird period of time where we're all together, well I

1868
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 1: don't like them, and that guy doesn't like this. But

1869
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 1: now they've kind of they've gone their separate ways and

1870
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: there's a divide between them, um, which is weird. Because

1871
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 1: I kind of coexist in both worlds. I mean, I'm

1872
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: over here straddling defence. Um right, what would you like

1873
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: to have a radio hit? Sure? Yes, So whatever you

1874
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: sit at home saying, you know, whatever your process is,

1875
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: whether it be a premeditator after the fact, well this

1876
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: might this might work. Are you still strive? Are you

1877
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: striving to reach that pinnacle? Uh? Yes, for a few reasons. One. Now, listen,

1878
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: I've done a lot and I've written a lot of

1879
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: music over twenty years. So now in the last like

1880
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: three or four years, as I got signed to major

1881
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: labels and went out of the indie scene, I mean

1882
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: before I used to turn in an album and it

1883
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: was here's the track order. I mean, it wasn't didn't

1884
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: give me input. I was like, here it is. Then

1885
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: I signed with Warner and I had any and Our

1886
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 1: signed to me, and he's like, listen to the songs

1887
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 1: and give me feedback and hanging out in the studio.

1888
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: And I kind of liked it. Why not five years

1889
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 1: ago I would have told him to f off and

1890
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: get out of the room. But now I'm like, cool man,

1891
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: You've got some ideas. What's up? You know, I've been

1892
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: around I've written a song, I don't. It's not about ego.

1893
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: For me. I'm kind of like, just make something cool

1894
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: and have a good time. So I kind of had

1895
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,480
Speaker 1: to check myself and rearrange how I thought about the process.

1896
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: And not only that, Now it's like, I feel like

1897
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm such a part of what the sound of what

1898
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: modern dance music is. I feel like songwriters coming and

1899
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: pitch me on songs. I'm like, wow, did you do

1900
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: you know this song by me? Because this is very

1901
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: similar to something I wrote five years ago or seven

1902
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: years ago or ten years ago. Oh my gosh, I

1903
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: love that song. Yeah, I can see the influence there.

1904
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: So to me, it's cool when other songwriters come and

1905
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 1: want to work with me. Where before I was closed

1906
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 1: to that idea, now I'm like, well, let's collaborate. Two minds.

1907
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Three minds are better than one. I've kind of learned

1908
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to enjoy that process now, the part about do I

1909
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: want a radio hit, it's more about me because in

1910
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,600
Speaker 1: this independent world where we could try and be like,

1911
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: this person is worth as much of this guy's worth.

1912
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: That much goes back to that conversation I had, you know,

1913
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: a long time ago with Pasqual I deserved here. You know, Um,

1914
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of guys that, oh, well, we're

1915
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna build him here and build them there. Okay, then

1916
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: just don't include me on your festival. I'm fine, I

1917
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: don't need your dollars. Although that's a lot of money.

1918
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: Of course, I'll be playing for cheeseburgers right But to me,

1919
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't need to be a part

1920
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: of that that that guy that you're putting on ahead

1921
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 1: of me or claiming that he has more value. I don't.

1922
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to that cool you know. And so

1923
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 1: for me, the touring numbers became a really big deal.

1924
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: And I understood when you know, the Swedes and all

1925
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: these guys came around, they're like, I sold out Medicine

1926
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: Square Garden. I understood why they did that, because they're

1927
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, put their value up to these

1928
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: promoters and show them things. So for me, when I

1929
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: come back, I mean promoters around the world right now,

1930
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 1: the country you're emailing me. They can't it can't be

1931
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: thirty one people. You meant thousand people. Really, Oh, I

1932
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: had a promoter. I'm not going to say who's when

1933
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I told him, like you mean three thousand, Like, no,

1934
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: this is thirty one thousand paid people. Guess what with

1935
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: another couple of thousand jumping the fence and probably a

1936
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: couple more thousand on my guest Listen. I mean, this

1937
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: is the thirty five thousand person party we're having here.

1938
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: This is a show that we're creating waves and those

1939
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: those moments, because to me, whether it's five people or

1940
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, it's more about success and not having to

1941
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: answer to the promoter and prove my value to them.

1942
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: So for me, the radio hit is like it's here

1943
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: nor there. But I can't stand answering to these guys

1944
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 1: that are like, oh, well, we're gonna put this kid

1945
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: who's eighteen on in front of you, and I'm like, no,

1946
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: you're not You're not cool. I don't have to play

1947
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: your party, dude, I'm busy that day. Well, certainly the

1948
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: cutthroat business like this, but traditionally traditionally is a funny

1949
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: term to use. For over the last twenty years, but

1950
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: dance music has waxed and waned in popularity outside of

1951
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: its core audience. Yes, do you think that it will

1952
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: continue to grow or go back to base or do

1953
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: you have a viewpoint on that it's going back to base.

1954
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Now we're in the middle of a shift. It's going

1955
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: back to base, which is cool, it's fine. I think

1956
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: there's a handful of guys that it doesn't matter. They're

1957
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: just part of the pop cultural landscape. Um, so they've

1958
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of risen above that here in this country. I'm

1959
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,839
Speaker 1: very fortunate to be part of that small club of guys,

1960
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: um and girls. I think there's a girl in there somewhere, maybe,

1961
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: I hope. So I'm not touching that right, um, but

1962
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I think we'll make it through. And I think the

1963
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: underground as strong as it's ever been. But it's it's

1964
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: weaning because every listen everything is hip hop right now,

1965
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: and even a lot of successful dance song songs have

1966
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: to have okay, we gotta have a verse from g

1967
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 1: easy this or whatever. And it's becoming more you know,

1968
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,719
Speaker 1: lab created music, right, everyone's got to have an opinion

1969
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: and make this and make that and make this. And me,

1970
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like comfortable to sitting back doing what

1971
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I've always done. Sure the poppit, yeah cool, I take

1972
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: one of those. Cool And I listened to am I

1973
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: open to listening to somebody else's ideas and what I

1974
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: should being. Yeah, sure, is most of it a waste

1975
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: of time? Yes, I'm like because I'm perfectly comfortable what

1976
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing. But if somebody's got a great idea and

1977
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: there's a brilliant songwriter out there, I love good music,

1978
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: and I'll spend a day in the studio with them,

1979
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe some magic comes out of that. Well,

1980
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: there's a whole another podcast getting into the creation and

1981
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: the scene. But you've been listening to the Cascade on

1982
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,440
Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets podcast. This has just been fascinating

1983
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and edifying just to hear. And when people have no idea,

1984
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: all they see is like the Forbes list a successful DJ.

1985
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: They have no idea of the hard work that's put in,

1986
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 1: and especially in your case, that you were attracted to

1987
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 1: the scene when there was barely any scene to begin with,

1988
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: when you're growing up in Chicago, and to use the

1989
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 1: old cliche, that started music businesses and every walk of life.

1990
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: Now you paid a lot of dues, so you're at

1991
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. You have a smile on your face. It's

1992
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: been so great to have you here. Thank you so much.

1993
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Speaker 1: Thanks appreciate it. Until next time, it's Bob left Sets.

1994
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Speaker 1: Tune in next week for another podcast that wraps up

1995
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: this week's episode of the Bob left Sets podcast, recorded

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Speaker 1: live with the tune in studios in Venice, California. I

1997
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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed my conversation with Cascade as much as

1998
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: I did. What do you think of the interview? You

1999
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: can email me at Bob at left sets dot com.

2000
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Speaker 1: Until next time, I'm Bob left Sets. Can't think of

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Speaker 1: me reason and I don't know me. Saly one must

2002
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Speaker 1: be o