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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we are back together on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brass Steve Tasker with you on a one Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live edition. Just two days away from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, ready to start in earnest and already

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Speaker 2: big moves. We were wondering when the other shoe would

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Speaker 2: finally drop on the Aaron Rodgers trade, and it finally did.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is a New York Jet as the Jets

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Speaker 2: give up a second round pick they had two, they

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Speaker 2: flip spots with the Packers moving down from thirteen to fifteen.

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Speaker 2: They give up a six this year as well, and

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Speaker 2: then a conditional second round pick next year that could

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Speaker 2: become a one if Aaron Rodgers plays sixty five percent

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Speaker 2: of the offensive snaps, which would seem likely if he

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Speaker 2: stays healthy.

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Speaker 3: The only ways the only way is not going to

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Speaker 3: is if he gets hurt, right, which, given the Jets

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Speaker 3: propensity for stuff happening, it could happen in training camp.

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Speaker 2: This is true. Aaron Rodgers will wear jersey number eight.

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Speaker 2: I like it. I rreciate that from him for the Jets.

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Speaker 2: That was his college number at Cal.

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Speaker 3: Because Joe Namath had given him permission to wear the twelve,

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Speaker 3: which is retired and the Jets, and Aaron's saying not now,

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Speaker 3: I'll wear that one, and that's awesome for him.

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Speaker 2: I'm you actually want to give him some credit.

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Speaker 3: I do, and I do give him credit for it

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Speaker 3: now because you know these guys, you know, from from

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Speaker 3: this side of it, guys put a little too much

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Speaker 3: weight on the jersey number or like it means something,

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Speaker 3: and it does a little bit. But man, oh man,

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Speaker 3: having Aaron Rodgergan, no, no, no Joe and just paying

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Speaker 3: him that level of respect and just saying no, ill

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Speaker 3: where number eight, no worries, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. And this continues the history of

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Speaker 2: the New York Jets and their inability to develop a

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Speaker 2: quarterback that they draft. Every time they draft a quarterback

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Speaker 2: high low or somewhere else, it rarely pans out. The

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Speaker 2: best example of a quarterback they drafted that had at

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Speaker 2: least a halfway decent career was Chad Pennington. That's the

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Speaker 2: last time they've had a drafted quarterback that had a

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Speaker 2: halfway decent career.

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Speaker 3: Chad Pennington was injuries derailed him. His shorter injuries to

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Speaker 3: his throwing short he was a.

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Speaker 2: More than capable NFL quarter That's the only one in

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Speaker 2: the last forty years. Ken O'Brien did okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: he was okay. He wasn't great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can say what you want about

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Speaker 2: He was taking two spots ahead of Dan Marino, but

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Speaker 2: that's another story. So yeah, the Jets have done this

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Speaker 2: before with you know, mixed levels of success. They picked

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Speaker 2: up Boomer asiasin a Long Island native. They signed him

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Speaker 2: after he's done with Cincinnati, and you know, he had

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Speaker 2: some success with them. I think they went to the

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Speaker 2: playoffs once or twice with Boomer. Vinnie testa Verdi was

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Speaker 2: another veteran pickup example. They did go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, they came within a half of a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl with Vinnie Testa Verdi lost in the AFC

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Speaker 2: title game in denver Mark.

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Speaker 3: Sanchez is another one.

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Speaker 2: That went to two AFC title games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, under res and just never but almost he almost regressed.

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Speaker 2: He never really put it together. He was booie by

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Speaker 2: an All world defense. I think most would agree that's

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Speaker 2: how we got to two straight AFC title games, you know,

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Speaker 2: couple of years with the Jets, no playoff appearances, and

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Speaker 2: now we have Aaron Rodgers. So the veteran quarterback route

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Speaker 3: Skipped Sam Donald and Zach Taylor wils those were drafted ones.

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Speaker 3: I was talking about the veteran pick ups. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you're also developing drafting.

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Speaker 2: And developing the reason they pick up veterans because they

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Speaker 3: Right, And those two last two draft picks, which.

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Speaker 2: Were that's why Aaron Rodgers is there.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's exactly right. In a perfect world, Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: the team that drafted Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this is, you know, and this is a

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Speaker 2: draft another one, but I think they know if they do,

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Speaker 2: it's been a fifty year problem.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, none of their coaching staffs that have

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Speaker 2: having to go to the veteran route, and you know,

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Speaker 2: they have mixed success with veteran quarterbacks. That has been

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Speaker 3: It's hard to generalize that as a for the organization

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Speaker 3: because every guy's different. Rogers is not going to be

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Speaker 3: Brian Fitzpatrick and there all these guys are different. And

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Speaker 3: to do the same It's it's not really they Ryan

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Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick was limited to begin with. He might have played

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Speaker 3: his best football at times with the Jets, but his

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Speaker 3: best is not good enough. Brett fav was used up

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Speaker 3: when he got to the Jets, you know, and Aaron

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Speaker 3: his first snap that he may be washed up too.

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Speaker 3: He certainly is not the player he was four years ago.

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Speaker 3: But two years ago he was two time defending MVP

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Speaker 2: And this one four MVPs in his career.

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Speaker 3: He is has got it between his ears or from

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Speaker 3: the neck up. The guy is brilliant. Can his body

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Speaker 3: support that, I don't know. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Can there be draft in a tackle at right team?

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Speaker 3: Can the Jets roster support him?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, though, I don't think they can

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Speaker 3: You know, he's just he hasn't done it. You've got

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Speaker 3: start up front. They've got weapons around him. Their roster.

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Speaker 3: The Bills found out last year their roster is really good,

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Speaker 3: particularly defensively, and certainly you would think their office is

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Speaker 3: going to get a huge boost by having a guy

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Speaker 3: who can actually pull the trigger. At the other end

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Speaker 3: of the past, they got guys that can run routes

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Speaker 3: and I get it, you know, you got all the

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Speaker 3: now they're and I think it does change things for

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Speaker 3: the Jets, absolutely, if only if only attitude wise.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just look at social media.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the whole building, Yeah, the whole building has got

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Speaker 2: By saus Gardner changed his avatar, Garrett Wilson changed his

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the Jets, you know, I set them ahead

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Speaker 3: of I put them ahead of the Dolphins, and I

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Speaker 3: put them closer, much closer to the Bills, and I

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Speaker 3: would have otherwise, no question, Yeah, no question. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I you know, you know, Josh and the Bills just

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Speaker 3: out of the Packers last year with Aaron Rodgers. And

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Speaker 3: you can say what you want about the quality of

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Speaker 3: the entire roster, Josh out played him, at least by

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Speaker 3: the naked eye. I wouldn't even go back and look

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Speaker 3: at the statistics to back that up.

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Speaker 2: Josh had a red zone pick in that game, right,

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Speaker 2: it was part of that string of red zone picks

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Speaker 2: that he had. But otherwise, I mean, they were well

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Speaker 2: red zone turnovers. So yeah, make of it what you will.

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Speaker 2: But this is our question for you today. How has

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Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets shifted things in

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Speaker 2: the AFC East. You let us know, eight oh three

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Speaker 2: five point fifty the local number to get on board.

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Speaker 2: One eighty eight five point fifty is the toll free

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Speaker 2: number if you're outside the immediate calling area. How is

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Speaker 2: the Rogers trade to the Jets shifted things for you

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Speaker 2: in the AFC East. What's your take on it? I

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Speaker 2: realize we've got a draft this week that could further

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Speaker 2: shape these rosters in the division, but that's that's probably

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Speaker 2: the biggest move of the off season in the entire league,

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Speaker 2: let alone the division. So what does it signify to

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Speaker 2: you as far as the balance of power in this division?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Going forward?

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Speaker 3: You look back at that. I went back real quick

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Speaker 3: and got those stats. Rogers statistically outplayed him, uh two touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: one interception, Josh had two and two ninety one rating

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Speaker 3: wasn't really the aerial acrobatic so we would have expected,

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Speaker 3: but the Bills absolutely angled.

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Speaker 2: How likely do you think this is Week one Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night football bills it jets.

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Speaker 3: I would say better than a coin flip. If it's not.

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Speaker 3: If it's not Sunday night's Monday night. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: Very often. Division games start the season on schedule.

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Speaker 3: The four o'clock game on Sunday. That's the Sunday night

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Speaker 3: it might be, and it might be Monday night.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's Sunday night Week one at

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Speaker 2: MetLife Stadium.

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Speaker 3: That is a given. Yes, absolutely, that Brandon good call.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be Sunday or Monday night football. And

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Speaker 3: CBS will be stumping to have it be the doubleheader

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Speaker 3: big window for CBS is the four o'clock game on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: and that game absolutely crushes numbers for any whoever's playing.

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Speaker 3: It gets a monster number. And with Rogers and Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen and the division, big, big TV market, Marquee team

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Speaker 3: Thursday night game or the Monday night game, it's whatever

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Speaker 3: it isn't there.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's got Week one Prime Time

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good goal.

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Speaker 2: I mean the kickoff game. I think everybody is expecting

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Speaker 2: it to be a rematch of the Super Bowl because

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs they play the Eagles this year. That's a

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Speaker 2: lock Thursday night football. Yeah, the kickoff I mean it's

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Speaker 2: a lock. Maybe they play each other. That's there. That's

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs out of conference extra game.

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Speaker 3: We're about. We're like three weeks away from that, right from.

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Speaker 2: The well, some of the these early games trickle out though.

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Speaker 2: They put out the kickoff game, and then they'll put

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Speaker 2: out the europe games, which the Bills are one of those.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll we'll see what happened, what happens

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Speaker 2: with that. But usually they they kind of they bred

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bills looked ordinary in that game, and everybody's

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Speaker 2: Five fifty two five point fifty. How is the Aaron

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Speaker 5: They staking my call, guys, and I think the Jets

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Speaker 2: All right, Brian appreciate that. So he's still got the

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Speaker 2: How is the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets shifted

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, how you doing for taking my call?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 6: I think it's something gonna make a scarier we had

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Speaker 6: I think it's gets scarier because it made they've always

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Speaker 3: And yeah, there's gonna be a huge appetite for people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Thursday is a given. It's the Super Bowl teams

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Speaker 2: A lot of times it's a Monday night doubleheader the

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Speaker 3: That'll be I think it's Sunday night or Monday night

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us? Mark?

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Speaker 8: Good afternoon, guys, how are you good? I have a

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Speaker 8: We still got Johnson. I mean, defensively, we are going

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Speaker 8: That's what this is all about. Competition. My question, My

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Speaker 2: Packers drew it up, they gave themselves an out with

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Speaker 2: a much more palatable dead cap hit after or after

439
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Speaker 2: this season, because I think they really only wanted Rogers

440
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: on their roster for another two years anyway, and then

441
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: we're going to turn over to Jordan Love. They're doing

442
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: it a year earlier now and moving him off their books.

443
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: So the Jets are going to have to be very,

444
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: very creative with how they craft this deal to make

445
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Speaker 2: it palatable to Rogers. Number one and number two. Don't

446
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: put them in cap jail, but it is a concern,

447
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: and we'll have to see what the new contract for

448
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: Rogers yields. You can have an idea on where they

449
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Speaker 2: sit capwise.

450
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: You can bet he's going to get at least fifteen

451
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: million dollars in his pay this year, maybe more, but

452
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: it'll be as a bonus that will go forward as

453
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: a signing bonus that will.

454
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Speaker 2: Here's gonna sign this guy for I don't even know

455
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Speaker 2: if he's playing next year.

456
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Speaker 3: Well, they'll probably have probably sign him to as long

457
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: a deal as he'll sign, like a five year deal

458
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: with some voidable years at the end, just to hold

459
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: the cap down. They got to get past this fifty

460
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: nine million dollar hit that they're going to take this

461
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: year if they if he's released and well they're not

462
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: doing can't carry it. Yes, they can't carry that forward.

463
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 3: So they'll do some gymnastics. You can bet he'll make

464
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: at least that number fifteen to seven this year. Maybe

465
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Speaker 3: he'll make maybe even more than that this year, but

466
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Speaker 3: the cap number is gonna be instead of fifteen million,

467
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Speaker 3: it'll be like five million.

468
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Well they got it. Yeah, they got to knock it down.

469
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Speaker 2: They got to knock it down. That's the bottom line

470
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: because the opecially, if they want to do other business, right,

471
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Speaker 2: they sign their rookie class right.

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Speaker 3: See, the thing that's causing the cap hit this year

473
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: is only the option bonus, So they can switch that

474
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: option bonus to a signing bonus. That makes a difference

475
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Speaker 3: because the sign bonus gets spread out over the life

476
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: of the contract. The option bonus goes right there.

477
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: That is correct. Let's get back to the phones and

478
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: see what you think. How has the Aaron Rodgers trade

479
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: to the Jets shifted things in your mind? In the

480
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: AFC East, we go to Jay out in Denver. Next,

481
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: what do you got for us? Jay?

482
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Speaker 4: Helly, you guys, thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it.

483
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 4: I really think Jets are gonna win the NFC East.

484
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: I think the Bills are going to battle with the

485
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: Dolphins for second and third place. And let me put

486
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: some points here for you guys. Okay here, Rodgers hasn't

487
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: had a talented ride receiver like Garret Wilson in a

488
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: couple of years. We saw what he did with DeVante Adams.

489
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: The Jets are much much well rounded team had the

490
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: getting Bryce haulback. People forgot how he played in the

491
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: beginning of the year. He looked on out standing running

492
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 4: back and then packed that offense. The Bills also lost

493
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: to the Jets when they had Zach Wilson, which is

494
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: absolutely ridiculous. And if you want to go to the

495
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: Packers game on Monday night or Thursday night, it was

496
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: Monday night. I'm sorry. That's the beginning of Josh Allen

497
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: playing horrible, turn them the ball over and the Bills

498
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: not scoring points. Steve, you're absolutely on. The Bills scored

499
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: no point to the second half and they were absolutely

500
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: crowns from the second half by the Packers. And if

501
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: you remember, Green Bay ran the ball in the first

502
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: half and basically it appeared to be given the game

503
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: a way to Buffalo. Rave and Von Miller said, hey,

504
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: you look like you said, why aren't you throwing the ball?

505
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: If they would unleash the Rodgers, Bills would have probably

506
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 4: lost that game they had.

507
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can say that.

508
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, yeah, okay, you can say that.

509
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: But go ahead of the second half, don im and

510
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 4: hang on, hey, let me finish your go ahead game

511
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 4: of the second half. And I'm telling you the Bills

512
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: are overrated. We got nobody but Stetton Diggs. Kave Davis

513
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 4: is the number three, number four at best. We need

514
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: to go out and get Dee Hopkins and match this

515
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: trade because the Rodgers is gonna come in highly motivated. Now,

516
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: you guys, I got to make fun of him all

517
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: the time. Man, the guys at two time MVP of

518
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 4: the last three years. If he comes in and motivated

519
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: and plays up to his capability, we're in trouble, all right.

520
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this, Jay, this offense that

521
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: stunk so bad, with just Stefan Diggs and nobody else,

522
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: how'd they score more points than anybody all but thirty

523
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: other teams in the National Football League. Playing with Josh

524
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: Allen turning it over in the red zone, they led

525
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: the league in drops and they were middle of the pack,

526
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: were top third of the league in turnovers, and they

527
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 3: still still scored more points than every other team in

528
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: the league. Saves Kansas City and they beat him by

529
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: a hairlin or an eyelash. So tell me how that

530
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: offense stinks compared, particularly compared to the Jets.

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Speaker 4: It's not a super Bowl winning offense, Steve. You look

532
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: at it. What did they win? Where? What do we want?

533
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: We've wont nothing. People talk about and people act like

534
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: we won a super Bowl.

535
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: Nobody's acting like they've won a super Bowl. Jay, But

536
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, Jay, Jay. Come on, you're telling

537
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: me the Jets are better than the Bills because they

538
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: they were nine and seven tomorrow.

539
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 4: Hamlin, that's an excuse. You're a professional. You get paid

540
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: like a professional, act like one and play like one.

541
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there's no excuse on Tamar Hamlin. That killed

542
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: their season. They're professionals, they got paid.

543
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: Look at Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay, Now you're treading into

544
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: the water where you really don't know what you're talking.

545
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: Hey, you don't know anything about where.

546
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: You're really don't know what you're talking about.

547
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 1: No idea, Jay, you have no idea Jay, you have

548
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: no idea, no idea, Jay, hold On. You don't know, Jay,

549
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: you have You have no idea what you're talking about, Jay, none, zero.

550
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: You have no idea what you're talking about.

551
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: And look, I was I've never been a professional athlete myself,

552
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: Steve has and that I have. Well, Jay, I'm just

553
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: telling you, man, I'm just telling you. I was here

554
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: in this building in the aftermath of the DeMar Hamlin situation.

555
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: And if you're gonna go down.

556
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 10: That road and accuse these guys of not being professionals,

557
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 10: I'm gonna find you and scream in your face because

558
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 10: you don't know the impact.

559
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: I'll give you my address whatever you want it to.

560
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: No, that's not like that, John, No, But like, seriously, dude,

561
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: you have a little hold on, have a little compassion

562
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: for people who watch their teammate die on the field.

563
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you doing?

564
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: Jay?

565
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 10: You made a lot of good points at the front

566
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 10: end and then you went.

567
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Off the deep end. It doesn't make any sense. You

568
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: don't know what impact that had. You're done, I'm Jerry.

569
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 10: You don't know what impact Jet had on their mental health.

570
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 10: You don't And if you're gonna tell me they're professionals,

571
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 10: and it's too bad they should go out and play football.

572
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 10: You don't know the human condition. You just don't, and

573
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 10: it's insensitive and it's wrong. I'm sorry, Jay, this struck

574
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 10: a nerve with me. You really did.

575
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, Jay.

576
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: That come on with that. We needed to cut you

577
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: off because the more you talk, the worse you got.

578
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: You the more you talk, Jay, the worst you sounded.

579
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: You really.

580
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: That was horrible. I mean seriously, Now you can make it.

581
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: You can make an argument. The Jets are gonna be better,

582
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: no question about it. But that's where it stops. And

583
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: the rest of what you said was drivel.

584
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: So mean.

585
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: Look, look, I've said it before. Aaron Rodgers is most

586
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: accurate quarterback I've ever seen the league ever.

587
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: And he is just two years removed from being two

588
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: time MVP. I get all that he's gonna make the

589
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: Jets get on, gonna get better, but and they may

590
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: win the division, but they're gonna have to go through

591
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: the Bills to do it, and that ain't gonna be easy.

592
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: And I don't know what you're thinking about the Bills,

593
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: how they stunk and they didn't do they they were

594
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: way better offense than every other offense in the league

595
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: except Kansas City, and Kansas City beat him by an

596
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: eyelash an eyelash. So if you're gonna say the Bills

597
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: are gonna like go in the tank this year and

598
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: like stink and look wish, that's wishful things.

599
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you got me that fired up. Jay. But

600
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: you start going after these guys mental health, that's that's

601
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: just flat out wrong. And to say they should have

602
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: played anyway, DeMar Hamlin's not not a good enough excuse

603
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: for you. I mean, you just don't know the human condition. Man. Yeah,

604
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: come on with that. That's that's just way out of line,

605
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: way out of place. And I'll defend those guys in

606
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: that locker room to the death on that's on that subject.

607
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: I can even I mean, I never had that. I

608
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: never went through that as a player doing what those guys.

609
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: None of us have. And even I know, I mean

610
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: you Jay, I don't know if Jay has never played

611
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: an organized sport or he did it was way back

612
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: in his past.

613
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

614
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: It's crazy and it's ignorant to spew out your projected

615
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: feelings on guys who actually were going through it, and

616
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: to a man were affected by it, and not just them,

617
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: it was guys in our side of the building too,

618
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: And to belittle that and say that had no effect

619
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Speaker 3: or it was no excuse for what happened. Come on,

620
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: you're being an idiot.

621
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Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna take a break. I'm gonna cool

622
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: down because that just struck a nerve. I'm sorry. I

623
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna defend those guys to the death on that.

624
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: I am no, and you know that's probably not the

625
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: best choice of words either, but I will defend them

626
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: till my last breath on that subject because it impacted

627
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: them in a way I've never seen before. And it's not

628
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: an excuse, it's real. We'll take a break. Be back

629
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Speaker 2: with more here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health.

630
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, we took some deep breaths.

631
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: We're in a lot better shape now the blood pressures

632
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: come down. Here on One Bill's Live. Fris Brown, Steve

633
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Tasker with you.

634
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: Jay from Colorado got us going, Yeah, that's all right.

635
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's entitled to his opinion about the Jets,

636
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: and he's entitled to his opinion about the Bills. But

637
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: he just went somewhere where I didn't think he should go,

638
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: and that really just struck a nerve. So sorry, I

639
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: got a little carried away there. But like I said,

640
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick up for those guys in that locker

641
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: room for what they had to deal with late last

642
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: year after the Demorrow Hamlin situation. Let's get back to

643
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: the phones, though, and talk about the Aaron Rodgers trade

644
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more on how you think it's going

645
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: to impact the AFC East this year. We go to

646
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Dave in Clarence next. What do you have for his?

647
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: Dave?

648
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live. Nope, hold on, let me

649
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: get you here. You're stuck. There we go. What do

650
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: you got Dave? Dave? Are you there?

651
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: Dave? Go ahead.

652
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I think he's listening to his radio.

653
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: Might be.

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Speaker 11: The Hey guys. First of all, I like to say

655
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Speaker 11: to Jake, go back into your cave, your secret.

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we hear you. Turn your radio down. It might

657
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Speaker 2: help you great.

658
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Speaker 11: Great listen, I say to Jake, go back into your

659
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Speaker 11: cave because you're a secret tater. All right, number one?

660
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Speaker 4: Help?

661
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave?

662
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Speaker 11: All right, there we go, there we go. Okay, good.

663
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Speaker 11: I just want to say to Jay, please go back

664
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Speaker 11: into your.

665
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard that already.

666
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Speaker 4: Good. Good.

667
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Speaker 11: Listen, as far as Roger's Trade is concerned, it's not

668
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Speaker 11: going to make a bit of difference in the a

669
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Speaker 11: f C East. Oh yeah, uh Miami for second place,

670
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 11: all right, and they may even leap for over Miami

671
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Speaker 11: into a wild card. But as far as the Bills

672
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 11: are concerned, listen, we are getting ourselves back together so

673
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Speaker 11: quietly that we're under the radar in the NFL, all right,

674
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Speaker 11: I mean getting We're getting Josh to the point where

675
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Speaker 11: he says he's going to concentrate on football. Listen, if

676
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 11: this guy wasn't concentrating before, maybe because if his elbows

677
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Speaker 11: want and so forth. If he is serious about that,

678
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Speaker 11: the NFL is in trouble and second of ball. As

679
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Speaker 11: far as Rogers Trading is concerned, we don't know what

680
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Speaker 11: middle state this guy is going to come to New

681
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Speaker 11: York in. You know, after you've played eighteen years in

682
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Speaker 11: an organization and you know this very well, I mean

683
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Speaker 11: to all of a sudden get thrust into a new

684
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Speaker 11: organization like overnight and have to change your mindset one

685
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Speaker 11: hundred and eighty degrees. And because he's going to media

686
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Speaker 11: frenzy city like New York as opposed to the one

687
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Speaker 11: paper town Green Bay. I mean, by mid season, Rogers

688
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 11: may implode. So guys, yeah, forget Rogers. I mean, concentrate

689
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 11: on the Bills. We're on our way. I'm so optimistic

690
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 11: about this season. Plus, we got the draft coming up,

691
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Speaker 11: and I really think Brandon Bean has in his back

692
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Speaker 11: pocket a real hit coming up for us, a major

693
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Speaker 11: hit for a trade. So guys, go biddles.

694
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Speaker 2: All right, Thanksdae, we got to move along. Appreciate that.

695
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I dismissed Rogers had a hand.

696
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: They will be better. I don't think there's any question

697
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Speaker 2: they're going to be a better football team. They'll be

698
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: more difficult to play against because they, arguably with that quarterback,

699
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Speaker 2: have much more firepower from an offensive standpoint. The guy

700
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Speaker 2: makes plays. Yeah, I mean, he's not a four time

701
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Speaker 2: MVP for nothing, so he does change the balance of

702
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Speaker 2: things in the division considerably. Steve said he's gonna put

703
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Speaker 2: him ahead of the Dolphins for sure. I think I

704
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Speaker 2: need evidence that they're better than the Bills.

705
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say too, You're right. I like to

706
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: see him play. That's why we were talking about getting

707
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Speaker 3: him on opening weekend the Bills in New Jersey. But

708
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Speaker 3: I think for me, it's going to be, to Dave's point,

709
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: a bigger adjustment for Aaron Rodgers moving to New York

710
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Speaker 3: than maybe some of us surmise. He's forty years old,

711
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Speaker 3: and certainly he'll that would give him the maturity to

712
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Speaker 3: handle it in the best way possible. But New York

713
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Speaker 3: is not Green Bay.

714
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Speaker 2: Well, and he's being looked upon as the savior, the

715
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Speaker 2: guy that's going to lift them out of mediocrity.

716
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Speaker 3: Instead of just being this guy who's the face of

717
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Speaker 3: the franchise. He's going to be looked on with some

718
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: expectations that and not only that, the expectations is going

719
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: to be placed on the entire team, now, not just

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, but the entire squad, and they're gonna be

721
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Speaker 3: scrutinized like no Jet team has ever been scrutinized. And

722
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Speaker 3: that's saying something. Because they got Green Bay's got like

723
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Speaker 3: three guys in the press conference during the week. New

724
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Speaker 3: York's got thirty. It's a different animal. And if this

725
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Speaker 3: doesn't go well early, and even if it does go

726
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Speaker 3: well early, there's gonna be some intense pressure on those players,

727
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Speaker 3: and certainly Aaron himself, that adjustment is gonna be something

728
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Speaker 3: He's gonna have to get used to them. And he's

729
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Speaker 3: been he's been down this road before. I mean, the

730
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Speaker 3: guys won a Super Bowls when MVPs. He's been around

731
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Speaker 3: the block once or twice, but his teammates haven't.

732
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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and we go to

733
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Speaker 2: Mark in Jersey City. What do you got for us? Mark?

734
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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 12: This is lovely. I mean I had to listen all

736
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 12: day yesterday. How it's it's it's hilarious. How fanboy central

737
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 12: here in New York? You know on radio because basically

738
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Speaker 12: wsa N, that's what it is. It's Jet Central. The

739
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 12: Bills are an afterthought now and that's perfect. Now the

740
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Speaker 12: roles are reversed for Jay, the Bills get.

741
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Speaker 4: To just be no.

742
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Speaker 12: They're not even a no. They've progressed. That's fine. The Jets,

743
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 12: who are what two and eight in their last ten games?

744
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 12: Rogers who is eight and nine, and everybody will one

745
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Speaker 12: on point at their roster. He's played with Aaron Jones,

746
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Speaker 12: Davonte Adams. He's played with players that have much more

747
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Speaker 12: street cred than what the Jets have and they haven't

748
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Speaker 12: done it. He's going to come here into this powder

749
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Speaker 12: keg and do it where he has to do it.

750
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Speaker 12: He's got the organization by the short hairs. He knows

751
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Speaker 12: that he's going to show up to OTA's. He's going

752
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 12: to play in preseason with a team he's never took

753
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Speaker 12: a snap from. And they get to hear how good

754
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 12: and the Jets if you follow their young players on Instagram,

755
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 12: sure you've checked in, they love them some. Then they

756
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 12: get to hear for almost four months how great they are.

757
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 12: The expectations are on. It's a lot different. Now you're

758
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 12: the hunted. Yeah, everybody's gunning for you.

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Speaker 2: That is a good point. And you know, thanks for

760
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: the calmar. We got to move along to other people.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Bills were the hunted last year. They

762
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Speaker 2: hadn't won anything, but after they got von Miller, they

763
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: were stamped the Super Bowl favorite by Las Vegas and

764
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Speaker 2: every media outlet known to man.

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Speaker 3: And they played well, and they did play well.

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Speaker 2: They went thirteen and three, but they incurred an enormous

767
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Speaker 2: number of injuries, certainly the most in the McDermott era

768
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: without question, like key pieces, I mean key players went

769
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: down or were unavailable week after week after week after week.

770
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Speaker 2: I mean they played the Miami Dolphins without five defensive

771
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: starters and their starting center and then lost five more

772
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Speaker 2: players through the course of the game. It was unprecedented.

773
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Speaker 2: So despite all of that, they still went thirteen and three,

774
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Speaker 2: and despite a catastrophic situation involving their teammate, they still

775
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: won a playoff game. So you know, I think Lyon

776
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: in the Weeds is just where the Bills want to be.

777
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: I think they're perfectly happy with that. And let every

778
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Speaker 2: somebody else get the fan fear this time around. And

779
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Speaker 2: you know, if you can sneak up on a few

780
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: people or a few people are counting out before they

781
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: even play, you, all the better. Let's uh, let's quickly

782
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Speaker 2: go to Dan in Buffalo here, what do you have

783
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Speaker 2: for is Dan?

784
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Speaker 13: Uh?

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Speaker 9: The only reason I give it a little bit of

786
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Speaker 9: weight with Rogers because we know he's flaky. He thinks

787
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Speaker 9: he's the smartest guy in the room. He's gonna walk

788
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 9: into an environment where he's the stranger. He only likes

789
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Speaker 9: to do media with Pat mcavee and then his boy

790
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Speaker 9: a j.

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Speaker 6: Hawk.

792
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know that when he has to get

793
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Speaker 9: that pressure from that New York press, and maybe they

794
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 9: don't win their first couple of games. Who knows what

795
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Speaker 9: I want to the gay Davis to me like the

796
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Speaker 9: third or fourth and I know that guy that got

797
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Speaker 9: you emotional. People forget Knox's brother died like you said,

798
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 9: an unprecedented amount of injuries still came up thirteen to three.

799
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Speaker 9: Josh's elbow was hurt, and the pressure of being the

800
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 9: odds on favorite for the Super Bowl. I hate that

801
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 9: we're from Buffalo. We have an underdog mentality. I didn't

802
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 9: like that from the Gecko. It made me nervous, but

803
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 9: gave Davis only played fifteen games. He had a bum ankle.

804
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 9: He got eight hundred and sixty almost nine hundred yards

805
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 9: in fifteen games. His game average over seventeen games is

806
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 9: a thousand yard receiver. Now, for some reason, that's a

807
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 9: lineup demarcation.

808
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 6: Now, if you would have.

809
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Speaker 9: Played all the games, no one would call him. Well,

810
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 9: you know, we don't know if he's if he's gonna

811
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 9: be a true number two. He wasn't true number two. Yes,

812
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 9: it's a lot of boom or bust, you know, you know,

813
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 9: one hundred a game and twenty in another. But all

814
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Speaker 9: the all the everything we went through for that guy

815
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 9: to say he should with they're professionals. I mean, I

816
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 9: have a friend who's a pro athlete, you know, pitch

817
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 9: for the Braves. I don't like counting people's money. Oh well,

818
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 9: they're rich, they should do it. No, it's still damn

819
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 9: hard work. Or you're get over that guy dying in

820
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 9: front of you. Oh yeah, because you're a professional. Oh yeah,

821
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 9: don't worry about Knox's brother dying and how Knox feels. No,

822
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 9: don't worry about any of that. Don't worry about Kimba Gula. No,

823
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 9: you're professionals. I hate that, and I like being the underdog.

824
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Speaker 9: I think we're gonna be fine. Dorsety's gonna learn. His

825
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 9: offense was a little boom or bus because we all

826
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 9: agreed that sometimes it looked too hard. But statistically we

827
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Speaker 9: were number two, so you know, going into the season,

828
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 9: people were doubting Dorsey. Well he had the second most

829
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 9: points in the league, but it wasn't consistent. So you know, we,

830
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 9: as alum the party would say we need to matriculate

831
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 9: it more. Yeah right, well, yeah that was a moron.

832
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 9: Thank you for shutting them off.

833
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: Right, It was a. It wasn't Lombardi, it was a

834
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: Hank Stram. It was Hank Stram matriculated downfield. But yes,

835
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: you're right. It feels better for Bill's fans sometimes to

836
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: be the underdog rather than they were what they were

837
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: last year, the odds on favorite. I get that mentality.

838
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: I'll say it again. This team's been good enough to

839
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: go to and win the Super Bowl for three years.

840
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: You can and and guys like callers who call him say, well,

841
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: you've never won it. You know none that that that's

842
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: all that's true. That it's true they haven't, but neither

843
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: neither of most of the other teams the Jets weren't.

844
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: The Jets don't have an NFL uh. They don't even

845
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Speaker 3: have a playoff offense, let alone a Super Bowl offense.

846
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: If you're going by that, none of the other teams

847
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: in the in the league, except for the Kansas City Chiefs,

848
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: have a Super Bowl winning offense. So if you're gonna

849
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Speaker 3: go by that, what's the insult you're given here? I mean,

850
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: you know what, what's your point? The fact of the

851
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: matter is the Bills can score points on anybody, and

852
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: the reasons they don't you can usually have a pretty pinpoint,

853
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: a pretty accurate reason that is outside of their control,

854
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: like being in nine thousand degree weather in Miami when

855
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 3: the other teams in seventy degree weather, when you can

856
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: you go down to the Cincinnati game, when they can't

857
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: even get out of their own way emotionally to come

858
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: out and play a game in you know, against the

859
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: Cincinnati team that is flying high. The same thing. They

860
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: won two games after after excuse me, Damar went down.

861
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: They won two games against two division opponents. One was

862
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: a playoff game and they had no business even being

863
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: on the field with those teams, but they still won them.

864
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: That's what being a pro is. Okay, now, it's being

865
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Speaker 3: a human being. These guys were struggling with it, and

866
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: they I made the point out I don't think some

867
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: of them are right even now. So it was traumatic.

868
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: And to say that that stuff doesn't bother you as

869
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: an NFL, as.

870
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: A pro athlete, it's just insensitive.

871
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't forget insensitive. It's it's idiot, it's ignorant. I mean,

872
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: come on, I don't know that whoever you know, you've

873
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: never lost anybody. You don't know what it is to

874
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: see somebody pass away or a family member or something

875
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know what world you live in.

876
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: So the Bills were extremely good this last year. In fact,

877
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: they had every reason to think that that they were

878
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: going to go to and win the Super Bowl. They

879
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 3: played like it through the entire regular season, and everybody

880
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: always says, wholla, it's not the playoffs. I get all it, dude.

881
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: You want to talk about an ill timed series of

882
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: events that conspired to sabotage a good team's football season.

883
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: I give you the twenty twenty two Buffalo Bills.

884
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Speaker 2: Break time for us more of your phone calls next

885
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: year on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned. Right back here

886
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you,

887
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: asking you how you feel the Aaron Rodgers trade is

888
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: going to shift things in the AFC East. Right back

889
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: to the phones, we go in to Ian in Hamburg.

890
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: What do you got for us? He in, you're on

891
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live.

892
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 14: Hey, how you guys doing good? Thanks for having me.

893
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 14: I would just want to touch up on first off,

894
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 14: that one caller talking about tomorrow Hamblin. That was just ignorant.

895
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 14: I couldn't even imagine being on that field and being

896
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 14: close to somebody like that and having to deal with that,

897
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 14: you know, the mental strain and everything like that. It

898
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 14: would take a lot out of somebody. I think that

899
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 14: the Bills.

900
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: There's still the top dogs in the AFC East.

901
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 14: I think Aaron Rodgers coming in definitely makes the Jets

902
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 14: number two. But I still think it's the Bill's here.

903
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 14: We got the draft coming up. I'm not going to

904
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 14: write them off. Everyone else wants to, but no Bills.

905
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the callie, and I think the proof's

906
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: in the pudding. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens in September, October, November, December.

907
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: I still think the Bill's roster is going to be

908
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: in some ways better. Well, it's going to be better

909
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: than it was at the top anyway. Across all twenty

910
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: two starting positions, they're going to be better than they

911
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: were a year ago when they were the super Bowl favorite.

912
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: So some teams are going to have to jump pretty

913
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: high to get over that bar. The Bills have both

914
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: safeties coming back, which was a surprise. They got a

915
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: receiving crew that looks better behind Davis and Digs than

916
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: it did a year ago. Uh, it's got an offensive

917
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: line that looks to be better down in the middle,

918
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: and with this draft coming up, perhaps theoretically to pick

919
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: up another one to compete for the right tackle. Defensive

920
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: line looks to be as good or better than it

921
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: was last year, particularly if they get Vaughn back at

922
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: one hundred corners, they're going to have two corners that

923
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: have a year under their belt coming back healthy and

924
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: a healthy Tredavious White from week one. You can say

925
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: what you want about middle linebacker. Okay, there's one spot

926
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: where they're they're still searching, maybe, but you know, back looking, Specter,

927
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: the guy that they drafted last year and the seventh round,

928
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: athletically tested better than a ton of guys that were

929
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: picked ahead of him, and he did make the fifty three,

930
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: was on.

931
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: The roster the entire year, played on special teams.

932
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: It was a special teams guy. Athletically, he should have

933
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: what it takes to come in and I don't think

934
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: anybody has even thought about him. Nobody was going to

935
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: step in in front of Tremain last year. So as

936
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: good as Specter might have played in practice or whatever,

937
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: he wasn't going to see the field on defense. This

938
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: is just running back. You gotta think they're going to

939
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: be better this year than they were a year ago.

940
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Damien Harris is an upgrade.

941
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: Damien Harris is is an upgrade over Devin Singletary, and

942
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: James Cook should be much better than he was a

943
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: year ago coming intoing the offense. I mean, you can

944
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: go down the list. You can say, Okay, tight end

945
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: number two, Okay, tight end number one going to be

946
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: just as good as he was a year ago, if

947
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: not better. So I don't know where you're poking holes at.

948
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: The roster is certainly maybe in the depth department at

949
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: this point.

950
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: Well, let's see what the roster looks like when we

951
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: get the training camp. Yeah, I mean I talk.

952
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: This roster was the same roster that lumped everybody up

953
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: last year, and in a lot of ways it should

954
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: be in a better spot than it was a year ago.

955
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones quick and squeezed Tom

956
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: on the west side, and what do you got for

957
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: his Tom?

958
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, I'm sorry he had under that guy from Colorado.

959
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 13: I think he's living up in the mountains. He's not

960
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 13: getting enough air and eating too many rocky mountain oysters.

961
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: Okay, if you don't know what they are, Oh, no,

962
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: I know, I know what they are. Yeah, go ahead.

963
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 13: Anyway, I've seen a lot of guys get injured playing

964
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 13: with them in football. That affected me. I've seen guys

965
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 13: get injured on the job. It affected me, saw them

966
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 13: more career ending injuries. So I mean, yeah, in effect,

967
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 13: that makes you think about what you're doing every day

968
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 13: because you're out there doing it just like they are.

969
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 13: But anyway, to talk about Aaron Rodgers, I'm not too

970
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 13: worried about them. I think the defense might actually be

971
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 13: a little better this year with McDermott taking it over,

972
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 13: because I watch in the draft. They're gonna go heavy defense.

973
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 13: They're gonna load up on the defensive line. They're gonna

974
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 13: get their middle linebacker. They might they might get a

975
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 13: wide receiver offensive line, but you're gonna watch them load

976
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 13: up on defense, all right, what's stay you?

977
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 2: I think it could happen based on how the board falls.

978
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a very it's very likely that when

979
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: you get to the Bills of twenty seven that the

980
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: best value is going to be on the defensive side

981
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: of the ball, not the offensive side, and it may

982
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: steer the Bills in that direction, or they trade out

983
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: and even if they trade out to the top half

984
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: of the second, that might change the value a little bit.

985
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: Maybe there's more offensive players in the picture there than

986
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: at twenty seven. But if they stay at twenty seven

987
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: and some of these things that a lot of people

988
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: predict to happen in terms of who comes off the board,

989
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: they may lean defense because the value is better there.

990
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: That's what you do. You do what the board tells

991
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: you to do.

992
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was having some fun up We were getting

993
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: coffee and a bunch of the scouts and some guys

994
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: up there, you know, they're they're all it's all hands

995
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: on decked, and I was teasing them. I go, okay,

996
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 3: tell me who we're gonna pick. Who's gonna pick? Who're

997
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: gonna pick?

998
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: You know?

999
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: Do you tell me? I won't say anything, right, I'm

1000
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: going on the air in a minute, but I won't

1001
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: say anything. I was laughing with them, and they go, well,

1002
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 3: do you tell me this. Who's gonna be Who's gonna

1003
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: be there? Yeah? I think really like right at they

1004
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: have no idea whoever's gonna be there, and the guy

1005
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: they like best is who they're gonna take. And that's

1006
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: if they can't trade out or trade up or all

1007
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: of that stuff. Uh, they have absolutely no idea who's

1008
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: gonna be available for them, because once they get out

1009
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: of the top ten, it turns into the wild West,

1010
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: because then there gets to be an enormous variance of

1011
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: how all the players across the college football are graded

1012
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: by every team, huge variants, So you don't even know.

1013
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: They may think all the guys you like stink and

1014
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: they may all be there when you pick, or they

1015
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: may think exactly like you do and they're all gone

1016
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 3: and you got you're gonna you don't even want anybody left.

1017
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: So that's the problem. They don't even they don't know

1018
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 3: who they're gonna be able to pick yet.

1019
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but our number two will

1020
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: begin with Fox College Football sideline reporter and national college

1021
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: football insider for The Athletic Bruce Feldman gonna join us

1022
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: to talk about all the whispers going on before the

1023
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: draft as he talked to experts around the league personnel executives.

1024
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: We'll see what they have to say about the top prospects.

1025
00:52:46,480 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 7: Next.

1026
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live, presented by Kaleida Health.

1027
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to our number two here on a Tuesday,

1028
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you. Please be joined now

1029
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: in hour number two by National College Football Insider for

1030
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: The Athletic. You also see him on the sideline reporting

1031
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: for Fox College Football broadcasts. It is Bruce Feldman joining us,

1032
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: who just completed NFL Draft twenty twenty three. Confidential coaches

1033
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: dish on Stroud, Will Anderson, Anthony Richardson and Moore. There's

1034
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: a lot more, just so you know in there, Bruce,

1035
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: how you doing. Thanks for giving us some time today.

1036
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1037
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 15: Oh, I'm doing well. Always good to talk football with

1038
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 15: you guys.

1039
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: So the quarterbacks naturally are polarizing, as they are in

1040
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: every draft, and so some of the intel that you

1041
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: got from some of those people in the know about

1042
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: these players specifically, it was very interesting. How surprised are

1043
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: you to hear all the chatter, you know, in these

1044
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: final few days leading up to the draft coming from

1045
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: the perspective that you have, which is you've got a

1046
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: font of information from people who know these guys intimately,

1047
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: and then you're seeing will Ellis is now the second

1048
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: quarterback going off the board. CJ. Stroud is plummeting, and

1049
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. How does it resonate with you

1050
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: being able to gather what you did for this piece.

1051
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 16: The will Levis piece doesn't fit with what I've heard

1052
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 16: from actual quarterback coaches in the NFL. They were a

1053
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 16: little less optimistic or maybe a little less sold on

1054
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 16: will Levis. So we'll see. All it takes is one team,

1055
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 16: though to feel differently. It was just fascinating. I think

1056
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 16: when I talked to all these coaches, it's their position

1057
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 16: that they coach what they are seeing on film, but

1058
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 16: also you know, in the case of this group, And

1059
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 16: it was a lot of interviews I did last week

1060
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 16: and into the weekend for this story on the athletic

1061
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 16: with the S two cognition test that has gotten some

1062
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 16: attention now and it's been.

1063
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 15: Talked about in media circle.

1064
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 16: So to talk to coaches about it who are actually

1065
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 16: in the NFL how much they buy into it. One

1066
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 16: of them buys into it a lot, but as he cautioned,

1067
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 16: he said, you know, there's nine parts of this test,

1068
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 16: but there's really only four that matter for quarterbacks. And

1069
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 16: he said, I believe it. And some of the stuff

1070
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 16: that he's seen in recent quarterbacks and guys he's coached,

1071
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 16: and guys he's seen in the league. What matches up

1072
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 16: to some of the results that they see from it.

1073
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 16: But at the same time, he said, you know, if

1074
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 16: somebody has a really low score when they see what

1075
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 16: they see on film, if it doesn't match up, it's

1076
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 16: like if we're going to draft that quarterback or look

1077
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 16: at drafting that quarterback, I would make them take it

1078
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 16: a get take that test again, because I think you

1079
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 16: can get false reads on it from time to time.

1080
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of these things that, like you said,

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00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: it's an intelligence test and how they assimilate information, how

1082
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 3: it affects their actions. I mean, it's a really comprehensive test,

1083
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: but you're right, only only a part of it really

1084
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: speaks right to the quarterback. And so the way these teams,

1085
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: even the way these teams interpret test results goes into

1086
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 3: the variance they have for evaluating the same guy they're

1087
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: talking about.

1088
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 15: It does.

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00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 16: And one of the coaches I talked to said, I

1090
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 16: had CJ. Shradd as my top guy above Bryce Young,

1091
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 16: and then after I looked at these results, I flipped them,

1092
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 16: you know, one to two to two to one. But

1093
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 16: it's also worth noting Bryce Young has been taking this

1094
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 16: particular test since he was in the tenth grade. I

1095
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 16: don't know how many times CJ. Shroud may have taken it,

1096
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 16: but you know the guys that are in these meetings,

1097
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 16: You know these coaches, and they've studied the film and

1098
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 16: a lot of it. Like a couple of coaches that

1099
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 16: I talked to, you said, it doesn't add up with

1100
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 16: what It doesn't line up with what we see it

1101
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 16: from CJ on the film in terms of how he

1102
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 16: processes what you actually see on the film, which at

1103
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 16: least the guys I spoke to who felt that way,

1104
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 16: they were kind of discarding the test because it just

1105
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 16: said it doesn't match up with what the film is

1106
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 16: and the film is ultimately a lot more important to

1107
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 16: them than what somebody did on a test.

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Speaker 2: Bruce, I know this isn't the first time you've put

1109
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: this confidential column together in your experience when talking to

1110
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: people in the NFL that you cite here anonymously, obviously,

1111
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: how much do you feel or do you try to

1112
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: guard against a guy who sold on a player explaining

1113
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: away concerns And I guess for an easy example, we'll

1114
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: go to the Bryce Young size component, because his predecessor

1115
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: at Alabama has had size and durability issues in Tua.

1116
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: Bryce Young's even smaller than Tua is, and I think

1117
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: that is a legitimate concern for his long term health.

1118
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: You can have the best offensive line in front of

1119
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: him in football, but when it's third and twenty two,

1120
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: when the routes take longer to develop, it's a different story.

1121
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: So do you come across some of these people that

1122
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: you talk to and they're like, I'm sold on Bryce Young? Well,

1123
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: what about the size thing? Ah, He's fine. He played

1124
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: in the SEC. Like do you ever feel like guys

1125
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: are explaining things away because they like the guy so much?

1126
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 15: It's possible.

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 16: In this case, the guys were all that I talked

1128
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 16: to had legitimate concerns about from a durability standpoint, Right,

1129
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 16: and who was a good example, But there's other examples.

1130
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 16: One of the coaches I talked to said, Look, Lamar

1131
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 16: Jackson's a big dude. He's much bigger than people realize.

1132
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 16: He's certainly much bigger than Bryce, and he struggles to

1133
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 16: make it through a season. You know, Jalen Hurts is

1134
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 16: a really thick, you know, powerful guy. You know, he's

1135
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 16: had big guys land on him. He gets banged up.

1136
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 16: Where we see quarterbacks all the time struggle to make

1137
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 16: it through a season because the guys who are often

1138
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 16: landing on them are three hundred and twenty pounds men.

1139
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 16: And as you said, Bryce Young is not only short,

1140
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 16: he's little, like Russell Wilson is short, but Russell Wilson's

1141
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 16: built like a running back.

1142
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 15: They are not.

1143
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 16: They are not close to the same thing in terms

1144
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 16: of like thickness and musculature. And yeah, maybe Bryce will get,

1145
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 16: you know, fill out a little more as he gets older,

1146
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 16: but he played at Alabama in the one.

1147
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 15: Hundred and nineties, you know, low one nineties.

1148
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 16: The idea that he's going to walk around as big

1149
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 16: as as Russell Wilson and be able to hold up,

1150
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 16: I think that's a stretch. And when you're talking about

1151
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 16: the first pick of the draft or somebody in the

1152
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 16: top five. As a franchise quarterback, if your sidelined for

1153
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 16: half a season, that's something the team has to factor

1154
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 16: in because you go only as far as your quarterback

1155
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 16: really can take you.

1156
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see these quarterbacks so much goes into that position.

1157
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: It's one of the most difficult positions in pro sport,

1158
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 3: in all the sports to play because of the physicality

1159
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: of it, because of the mental acumen you have to

1160
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: have because of being able to think fast, look at

1161
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: a defense, read it, and throw to the right spot.

1162
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: All of that stuff goes into it. And then there's

1163
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: always the thing where when you lean into a huddle

1164
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: and call to play, there are ten real grown men

1165
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: athletes looking at you expecting you to be a leader.

1166
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: You got to be a guy that guys can rally around.

1167
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: And when you get to the leadership aspect, a guy

1168
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: like Will Levis Bryce Young seems to have it in spades.

1169
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: You know, these guys, some of them exude this quality.

1170
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: What about these four top guys Levis and Richardson, Stroud

1171
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: and Young. We've heard things like maybe Levis is the

1172
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: guy who's least got those leadership qualities.

1173
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 16: Yeah, and that's something I heard from the quarterback coaches.

1174
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 16: His personality. They thought he was very smart, but his

1175
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 16: personality kind of they were a little bit skittish on that.

1176
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 16: They just I don't know when he was with them.

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 16: I think they didn't get a great read on it.

1178
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 15: You know.

1179
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 16: And look, there are certain guys, I mean, people raved

1180
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 16: on the TCU team about Max Duggan. He has that

1181
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 16: he's a really good athlete, I just don't think some

1182
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 16: of the other parts of playing quarterback at the NFL

1183
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 16: level they were coaches are that sold on. But the

1184
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 16: intangibles they love, you know, people like Bryce's and tangibles.

1185
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 15: He's really smart.

1186
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 16: They heard really high grades on people inside the program

1187
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 16: about you know, those leadership pieces. But again comes durability

1188
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 16: is an issue. I think with Anthony Richardson, who's the

1189
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 16: youngest of these guys that you know, he's twenty years

1190
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 16: old still, and he has the most raw talent of

1191
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 16: any of them. You're talking about a guy who has

1192
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 16: Josh Allen caliber arm strength almost as big, and runs

1193
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 16: even faster. I mean, he's a low four to four guy.

1194
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 16: The people you talk to at Florida are very high

1195
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 16: on him character wise, but he's really raw and you're

1196
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 16: going to have to bring him along probably learn on

1197
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 16: the fly with him. But people, the quarterback coaches I

1198
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 16: talked to were seem to be much more comfortable with

1199
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 16: his personality than they were with Will Levis's.

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01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: We're talking with Bruce Fvelp and National college Football insider

1201
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: for The Athletic, who has just put together his NFL

1202
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 2: Draft twenty twenty three confidential. The prevailing opinion we've heard

1203
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: from draftnicks Bruce is that there is a greater range

1204
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: of opinion on a number of prospects, including the top fifty,

1205
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: Like there might We've heard this time and again, there

1206
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: might be somebody that some team would take fifteenth overall

1207
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: that another team wouldn't take until pick forty five, Like

1208
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: that wide ranging of an opinion. The Bills fans are

1209
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: big on the Bills adding another receiver in this AFC

1210
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: arms race. In what you got from the people you

1211
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: spoke to about receivers specifically, is that wide ranging opinions supported?

1212
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1213
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 16: I mean one thing you come back to is with

1214
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 16: I don't think this is a good receiver crop at all.

1215
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 16: I think Jackson Smith and Jigba from everybody I've talked to,

1216
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 16: is the closest thing to kind of a sure thing.

1217
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 16: He's a really good slot receiver with great change in direction.

1218
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 16: He has got a really good feel and physicality to him.

1219
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 16: He's not small for a slot. People think he can

1220
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 16: play outside. The other guys after that have big question marks.

1221
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 16: This is a draft that does not have many big receivers.

1222
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 16: Quentin Johnston from TCU is the one guy who has

1223
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 16: really good size, and he looks like Calvin Johnson compared

1224
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 16: to most of these little slots, but he has some

1225
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 16: issues with drops and as fast and explosive as he is,

1226
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 16: sometimes that doesn't translate on film.

1227
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 15: I mean, he's one that how you set up your question.

1228
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 16: From a couple of the receivers coaches I talked to,

1229
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 16: they were like, I don't even think he's a top

1230
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 16: fifty player because some of the stuff that they're leery

1231
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 16: of where I think other people will say, all right,

1232
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 16: he's pretty good with the ball in his hands. He

1233
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 16: is very big, he can stretch the defense. Maybe we'll

1234
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 16: take a chance on him because you know that the

1235
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 16: other big receivers are further like there's Jonathan Mingo from Ole,

1236
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 16: miss who people like, but probably not quite as much

1237
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 16: as Johnston and Cedric Tillman from Tennessee, but he comes

1238
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 16: from an offense that people are not or how it

1239
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 16: translates to the NFL. He's really raw as far as

1240
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 16: the other guys after after Jackson, Smith and Jig. But

1241
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 16: the guy you have number two there, Zay Flowers, is

1242
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 16: a guy that the coaches I talked to really really

1243
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 16: like what they see. But he's little. You know, he's

1244
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 16: a slot at Boston College who plays bigger than he is,

1245
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 16: but he is really little. Jordan Addison had a terrific

1246
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 16: run at pitt when he had Kenny Pickett as his quarterback,

1247
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 16: transfer to USC and did well. But he is really slight.

1248
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 16: He's one hundred and seventy some pounds and he did

1249
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 16: you a straight line. He didn't run as great as

1250
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 16: you want him to at that size, but he is

1251
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 16: really really smooth. I think those are the guys they

1252
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 16: would they could look at in the first round if

1253
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 16: they want to do it, or maybe you roll the

1254
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 16: dice and say, okay, there'll be a slot or somebody

1255
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 16: else we think can help us, you know, after the

1256
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 16: first round, and we'll take another position just because we

1257
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 16: know Jackson Smith and Jigba's not falling to us.

1258
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that happened last last

1259
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: year there were nine trades in the first round of

1260
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: the draft. Now with these four quarterbacks thrown sprinkled into that,

1261
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: what's your gut tell you about how much movement there

1262
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: may be this year? I know we've already seen some

1263
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: at the top, you know, obviously with Caroline and Chicago.

1264
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: How much do you think that will mimic this draft

1265
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: this year.

1266
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 16: I think it definitely could happen because if you look

1267
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 16: at the teams pass like twenty four to twenty five,

1268
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 16: you know, the Bills don't need a quarterback, the Bengals

1269
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 16: don't need a quarterback, the Chiefs don't need a quarterback.

1270
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 15: Certainly the Eagles don't.

1271
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 16: So there's a lot of teams at the back end

1272
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 16: Where used to be you would have teams with older

1273
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 16: quarterbacks who are maybe established and Super Bowl contenders. Now

1274
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 16: I think a lot of those teams are set for

1275
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 16: quarterback for a long time. So does that mean somebody

1276
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 16: moves up and say, all right, I want to I

1277
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 16: don't want to miss out on Will Levis or I

1278
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 16: don't want to miss out even on Hendon Hooker from Tennessee.

1279
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 16: I think that could maybe move some things around. Also,

1280
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 16: you could see a run on cornerbacks. I think this

1281
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 16: is a pretty good group of cornerbacks, and I think

1282
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 16: a bunch of them could go before maybe twenty, So

1283
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 16: that could shuffle the deck a little bit.

1284
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: Defensive end is the other position that's kind of gotten

1285
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: some intrigue here because some are of the belief that

1286
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: Tyree Wilson will go ahead of Will Anderson of Alabama,

1287
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: and they'll take the Texas Tech kid before him. Based

1288
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: on the opinions that you got, what kind of stood

1289
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: out in terms of maybe the Knox on Anderson as

1290
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: opposed to people that are high on Wilson. Are there

1291
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: any differing things there that stand out that you could say, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I could see Wilson going before him.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this is the case of high floor versus high ceiling.

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Speaker 15: I think the coaches I talked to think.

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Speaker 16: Will Anderson because he's so good technique wise, because he

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Speaker 16: so relentless.

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Speaker 15: He does have you know, it's not like he has

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Speaker 15: bad measurables.

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Speaker 16: But some of the guys I talked to, one in particular,

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Speaker 16: just felt like, if you're talking about a top three repick,

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Speaker 16: you have to have just a little more potential long

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Speaker 16: range than Will Anderson. Now, other guys I talk to

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 16: you think his floor is so high that you know

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Speaker 16: he's not similar in how you know his stature of

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Speaker 16: Aiden Hutchinson, But you had a guy with an extreme

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Speaker 16: amount of effort and production in college, and with Hutchinson,

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Speaker 16: he wasn't the.

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Speaker 15: First pick in the draft. But who's close to that

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Speaker 15: last year.

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Speaker 16: He had a terrific first year, and I think in

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Speaker 16: my own opinion from talking to people and having seen

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Speaker 16: a lot of Will Anderson, I think he's a real

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Speaker 16: safe pick. Whereas Tyree Wilson with that length, you know,

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Speaker 16: there's he's still a little bit raw, but I think

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Speaker 16: people look at him go he could potentially be even

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Speaker 16: better than Will Anderson. I don't know if I would

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Speaker 16: make that bet if I was an NFL team, just

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Speaker 16: because I think Will Anderson will be that good in

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Speaker 16: the NFL or be that that strong. I think there's

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Speaker 16: a bunch of guys in the back end of the

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Speaker 16: first round edge rushers, in one in Particularill MacDonald, who

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Speaker 16: is you know, super dynamic in terms of flexibility and bend,

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Speaker 16: and I think he.

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Speaker 15: Will be a big time edge rusher.

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Speaker 16: And he did a lot of different things, was asked

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Speaker 16: to do a lot of different things for Iowa State,

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Speaker 16: and I think he's a really, really good edge guy

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Speaker 16: that's gonna come. He may not I think he'll go

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Speaker 16: in the first round at the end, but he still

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Speaker 16: could be there, maybe even at the top of the

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Speaker 16: second round if things break a certain way.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the wide receivers, and now you're talking

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Speaker 3: about outside linebackers. As far as inside linebackers go, the

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bill's lost Tremaine Edmonds went to Chicago signed to

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Speaker 3: mega deal. There's two guys at the top of this

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Speaker 3: draft that kind of have the measurables. It's Drew Drew

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Speaker 3: Sanders from Arkansas and of course Jack Campbell from Iowa.

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Speaker 3: But then this turns into a wide receiver class. They're

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Speaker 3: all like sub you know, like there's six one, two

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Speaker 3: thirty right, just like all the receivers are sub six foot,

1341
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: sub two hundred pounds. This linebacker class in the measurables

1342
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: drops right off a cliff. How do you see that out?

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Speaker 3: And is Sanders and Campbell the top of the class

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Speaker 3: just because they're bigger and taller than everybody else.

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Speaker 16: No, they're really really good football players. Drew Sanders started

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Speaker 16: out his career at Alabama. He was a guy who

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Speaker 16: can play inside and out. I think he could be

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Speaker 16: an edge guy too. He's really really good athlete, made

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Speaker 16: a ton of plays for Arkansas. I think he's a

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 16: guy who has first round talent. Jack Campbell he was

1351
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 16: the player and there's there's really players at all three

1352
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 16: levels at Iowa, you'll hear you hear a lot more

1353
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 16: now for draft lies about Lucas van Ness, who is

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01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 16: the d lineman there. You talk to people inside the

1355
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 16: Big Ten who played Iowa and they think they think

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 16: Jack Campbell's by far the best player Iowa had last year.

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 16: He's big, he is really rangy, he can run, he

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 16: is explosive. There's a little bit of tightness and stiffness

1359
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 16: to him. But if you told me he was going

1360
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 16: to be a guy who's who is going to lead

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 16: a team in tackles for the next ten years, I

1362
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 16: wouldn't be surprised at all. He's a really, really good

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01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 16: football player. If you end up with Jack Campbell in

1364
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 16: the second round and you're a fan of that team,

1365
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 16: you should be very happy. I do think there's a

1366
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 16: drop off between these two and the rest, But these

1367
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 16: are really really good football players, and if you told

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 16: me that either one ended up in the first round,

1369
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Speaker 16: it wouldn't surprise me. The guys after them, like Daon

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Speaker 16: Henley from Washington State, is super versatile. I think he's

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Speaker 16: really good in past coverage, but he is a much

1372
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Speaker 16: smaller player, but he was everywhere. Trenton Simpson from Clemson

1373
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 16: is an explosive athlete. He was one of my Freaks

1374
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 16: list guys. Good football player. I don't think he's what

1375
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 16: the other two guys are. I don't know if I

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 16: think he's as good a football player all around as

1377
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 16: Henley is, but measurables wise. You know, that guy, Like

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01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 16: I said, he was on my freaks list and could

1379
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 16: have been in the top twenty.

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Speaker 15: He's just a really explosive athlete.

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Speaker 16: But he was also playing behind a D line that

1382
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 16: had a bunch of grown men, a bunch of like

1383
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 16: elite halliber defensive lineman where he could just run stuff down.

1384
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 15: So I think maybe of those four I would.

1385
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 16: Probably have him after Henley and after the two guys

1386
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Speaker 16: we talked about.

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Speaker 2: Bruce. Oh, it's good to get your insight on this.

1388
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing some of NFL Draft twenty twenty three

1389
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 2: confidential with us. We'll be sure to point people in

1390
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: that direction on the Athletic. Appreciate the time, enjoy the draft.

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Speaker 15: My pleasure. Thanks guys.

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01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: All right, that's Bruce Feldman joining us. He is the

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: National college Football insider for the Athletic. Does a lot

1394
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: of that guy does old school digging, just in terms

1395
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: of sources to get what he gets. I mean, you

1396
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 2: read that NFL Draft twenty twenty three confidential, I mean

1397
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: you have to. I mean all of his quotes from

1398
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: personnel executives, quarterbacks coaches, college coaches, they're all anonymous. But

1399
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: you're looking at all these comments and you're like, man,

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01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: he's probably talked to like twenty five thirty people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 3: And the thing about it is, I always enjoy talking

1403
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 3: having guys quoted who are down in the ranks of

1404
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: the coaching staffs. This quarterback coach, not an offensive coordinator,

1405
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: is the quarterback coach and those guys for those of

1406
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: you who don't know, there's the head coach at the top,

1407
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 3: then there's the coordinator, then there's the quarterback coach. Then

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01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 3: there's the quarterback the guy like in this case it

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01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: be Josh Allen. And the job of the quarterbacks coach

1410
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: is to go from Josh to the coordinator to the

1411
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: head coach and tell him why Josh doesn't like this

1412
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: play and he doesn't want it in the offense. You know,

1413
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 3: is like a liaison, and it's also a guy that

1414
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: tells Josh says, listen, we need to do this because

1415
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: of this, and this and this, so the coordinator doesn't

1416
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 3: have to go in and say, hey, what are you doing?

1417
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: Get do this right? So it's a He is a

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: buffer and a friend on the coaching staff to the

1419
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 3: quarterback room, and those guys see quarterbacks as people, not pieces,

1420
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 3: as human beings, not x's and o's. They see him

1421
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 3: in a personality rather than a tool set. So it's

1422
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: fun to have those guys in an article say what

1423
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: do you think about this kid Richardson coming out? And

1424
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 3: the guy goes, well, here's the ding you know, and

1425
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 3: he'll give you the nuts and bolts of his personality

1426
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 3: and what he does because he knows that you got

1427
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: to sit down and talk with the guy and get

1428
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 3: him to do that stuff on the field that you

1429
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: see on the film. It's a great perspective that really

1430
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 3: lends some credibility to what guys like Bruce Feldman do

1431
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 3: because they talk to those guys. That's where the rubber

1432
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: meets the road, where the playbook gets put on the field,

1433
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: and he's right there where they meet. It's really interesting

1434
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 3: perspective from those guys, and for that reason, I recommend

1435
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 3: his stuff that we got him on today. But he's

1436
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 3: got some stuff on the athletic it's really worth reading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he mentioned the Iowa state pass russia Will McDonald,

1438
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: who I think is a long shot as an option

1439
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 2: for Buffalo. I know Bills fans don't want to hear

1440
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: that another pass rusher could be in play for them

1441
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: at the bottom of round one. But the more we

1442
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,879
Speaker 2: see the mock drafts, and look, they all have limited

1443
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: value because as we've said time and time again, none

1444
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 2: of us know what's going to happen. But more often

1445
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 2: than not, the receiver value is gone, the defensive tackles

1446
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: might even be thin. The offensive tackles are off the board,

1447
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: and so now you're down to linebacker, corner, pass rusher,

1448
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: maybe defensive tackle. I mean, there's really.

1449
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Speaker 17: More and more.

1450
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: It's looking like the value is going to be sparse

1451
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball down where the

1452
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 2: Bills are picking at twenty seven, and I think that's

1453
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: going to open up value to the defensive side of

1454
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: the ball more than anything. We have to take a

1455
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 2: break here. When we come back, more of your phone calls,

1456
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: Gary and Fredonia, hang tight. We will get to you.

1457
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: You'll be batting lead off when we return here. On

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Speaker 2: one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills

1459
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: Rating now has the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets

1460
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: shifted things in the AFC East in your mind? You

1461
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: let us know at eight h three oh five fifty

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Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty number

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Speaker 2: to get on board. We lead off this segment with

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Speaker 2: Gary in for a Donia. What do you got for?

1465
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Speaker 2: Is Gary?

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Speaker 17: One guy I've been wondering about. I haven't heard one

1467
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 17: word about a receiver the Buffalo picked up late in

1468
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 17: the season was Desmond Patman, and he has six four.

1469
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 17: It seemed to have good measurables compared to Hodgsons, who

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Speaker 17: was in the same class. And I just like your

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Speaker 17: comments on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, giant target. Gary, You're one hundred percent correct,

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: six four two twenty. I want to say he was

1474
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 2: a former sixth round pick of the Colts and really

1475
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: didn't get on the field a whole lot for them,

1476
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: only played in ten career games for them over three

1477
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: seasons and has four career receptions. But I think the

1478
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: size that he brings to the receiving corps is very intriguing.

1479
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: So Hey, they took a flyer on him. They signed

1480
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,440
Speaker 2: him to a reserve future free agent contract in January,

1481
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: and he'll get every opportunity in training camp to prove

1482
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: he belongs. I mean, I think if there's one thing

1483
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: we've learned in the McDermott era is people get a

1484
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: fair shake here. You get an opportunity to show that

1485
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 2: you deserve more of an opportunity, and if you demonstrate that,

1486
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 2: you'll be on the field greatest. The greatest example of

1487
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 2: that is Levi Wallace.

1488
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 3: There are others or Christian Bernard, Christian Benford, Benford, Christian

1489
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: Benz sixth round pick's and he started ahead of Kyrie.

1490
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 2: Elam, the first round pick.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't happen anywhere else in the National Football League.

1492
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, if he's good enough, he'll get on the field.

1493
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 3: Is that simple. But he's gonna have to do it.

1494
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 3: And certainly that the hill is steeper to climb for

1495
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: other for some guys other than others, But that doesn't

1496
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 3: mean it's impossible and he's not gonna get a chance.

1497
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 3: Christian Benford climbed through the depth chart last year during

1498
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 3: training camp. It took him like it took him I

1499
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 3: think really a full two weeks before all of us

1500
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 3: started going with this Benford guy's starting to get reps here.

1501
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: He moved up from the third team to the second

1502
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: team in the first week, right, and I was like, Oh,

1503
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: somebody's making a move here, right. And then with Tradavia

1504
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 2: is still not healthy enough to practice with the team, there.

1505
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: Was more reps to go round.

1506
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: There were more reps, and he took advantage of them.

1507
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: And they reward guys that take advantage of their opportunity.

1508
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: And I think too, I don't think it's any question

1509
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 3: about it. There's no question McDermott and Leslie Fraser were

1510
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 3: sending a little bit of a message to Kyer Elam

1511
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: as well, whether he's playing well or not, that they want.

1512
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 3: They were gonna say, listen, you're number one pick I

1513
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: get all that, You're gonna have to earn it. And

1514
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 3: this guy over here is doing what we're asking him

1515
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: to do and doing it better than anybody thought he could.

1516
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 3: So he's gonna get rewarded for that.

1517
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: Watch him.

1518
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: So there was a little bit of that going on, perhaps,

1519
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 3: but they don't I don't think they had any regrets

1520
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 3: at all the way they handled Christian Benford last year

1521
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 3: and the way they handled Kayir. So I'm because Benford

1522
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 3: came in with really good measurables. He's a big dude,

1523
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 3: so they had no qualms about playing him, and the

1524
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: guy never never really disappointed them and any rep he took.

1525
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 3: So there's a lot in that. Yeah, and got that

1526
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 3: that resonates in the locker room, believe.

1527
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: But Patman is a is a tantalizing physical tools player,

1528
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: not only because he's six y four and two hundred

1529
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: and twenty pounds, but he ran a four to four

1530
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 2: to eight at the combine. You know, at six foot four,

1531
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 2: he had a thirty six inch vertical and he broad

1532
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: jumped eleven feet. So there is some natural physical tools there.

1533
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 2: And you know, if coach Henry, the new receivers coach,

1534
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 2: feels he can do something with him and develop him,

1535
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: you might have a nice looking possession guy that you

1536
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 2: can use in the red zone. At six ' four

1537
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: with a thirty six inch vertical, I mean that goes

1538
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: guys going up eleven feet to catch footballs.

1539
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 3: You got to find out why he couldn't get on

1540
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 3: the field in Indianapolis. Find out how if you can

1541
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 3: use this tool set. Find out if he's dedicated to

1542
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 3: getting better, or if he's just kind of coasting along,

1543
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 3: if he's dedicated to it, and there's no reason he

1544
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 3: can't get better, and he won't get better, there's no

1545
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: reason to think he won't. So but he's three years

1546
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 3: in and here he is on his second team. So

1547
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,440
Speaker 3: there's something in there that's keeping him off the field.

1548
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: There you go find out what it is. See if

1549
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: you can alleviate it.

1550
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 2: How has the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets shifted

1551
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: things in the AFC East in your mind? We turn

1552
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: now to the tweet sheet where opinions live, and the

1553
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 2: tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving System is

1554
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Andrea says,

1555
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: the Jets are now our main competition, Sauce Williams, Rogers

1556
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: and Company. We need to get this draft and de

1557
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: hop right, de hop would be nice. There's a lot

1558
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: of layers to that, as we've said on the show before,

1559
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: because it's not just a matter of compensation, it's a

1560
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: matter of making the money work. And you know, Hopkins

1561
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 2: has said he's open to renegotiating his contract to facilitate

1562
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: a trade, but to what degree, like is he taking

1563
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: a five percent haircut. Is he willing to add a

1564
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: year to his contract? What exactly is he willing to do?

1565
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 2: And that's something that only the agent and the team

1566
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: can sort out and decide, Oh, you know what that

1567
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 2: would fit. Now, let's talk to the Cardinals about compensation.

1568
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 2: So there are a lot of steps you got to

1569
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 2: get through for that to material.

1570
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,520
Speaker 3: You're not going to give him a five year contract

1571
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: just to make the money work, and you don't want

1572
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 3: to come back and you know, have him for a

1573
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 3: year and a half or two years where he only

1574
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 3: stays healthy for one year and then have to get

1575
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: rid of him and then take a twenty million dollar

1576
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: dead cap hit to make this work for a year

1577
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: and a half or one season out of two. So

1578
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 3: something like that, certainly, though, I mean you and I

1579
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: both and all of us know DeAndre Hopkins is a

1580
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 3: very good wide receiver still at this point of his career,

1581
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: and at this point of his career on the bad

1582
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: side of thirty. The only thing you really worry about

1583
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,480
Speaker 3: at this point, like you do with Diggs, is durability.

1584
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 3: Diggs has never been one to come out of games

1585
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 3: or be unavailable.

1586
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, he treats his body like a temple.

1587
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 3: And d Hop did have that problem. Just last year.

1588
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, he missed six games for a PD suspension, so

1589
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: there was that.

1590
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 3: Oh okay, he was an injury.

1591
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: The year before he had injuries.

1592
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: Oh yes, So you start to wonder about that whether

1593
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 3: the guy can stay healthy enough to help you, particularly

1594
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 3: at the kind of money he's going to command. But

1595
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 3: the guy can play when he's on, when he's right,

1596
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 3: he's really really, really really good.

1597
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1598
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: Connor on the tweets, she says, I don't think there

1599
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,879
Speaker 2: is any major shift in the division. Buffalo has historically

1600
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 2: played very well against Aaron Rodgers. Yes, the Jets have

1601
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: some good weapons on offense, but at the end of

1602
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: the day, the Jets will have to prove they belong. Yeah,

1603
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: and we've kind of said that to some degree. The

1604
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 2: proof will be in the pudding. Let's see how they

1605
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: look in September, October, and if they can sustain it

1606
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: in November and December. Yeah. I mean, everybody, everybody loves

1607
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 2: their roster on paper, but what's happening on the field.

1608
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: How healthy can you stay as a team, What how

1609
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: is your schedule layout? Because there's times where you might

1610
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: hit a team that's that's running hot. You know, they've

1611
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: won three in a row. They're just beating people up,

1612
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: and you got to play them next, and it's like

1613
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: you're running into a buzzsaw and even though you play

1614
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 2: your best game, you still lose. And then that a

1615
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: team in your division will play that same team a

1616
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: month later when two of their starting and best players

1617
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: on offense are out and they beat them by ten, You're.

1618
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: Like, WHOA, what the Yeah, there's a lot of that's

1619
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 3: out of each team's control. There's a lot, you know,

1620
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: everything the Jets do is out of the bills control. Uh,

1621
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: the the chance and the random nature of injuries, all

1622
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: of that stuff. I do know this, or at least

1623
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 3: have been it's been my experience observing this about the

1624
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: New York franchise. Once the season gets rolling good or bad,

1625
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 3: it tends to steamroll. And if it starts going really

1626
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 3: well for the Jets, that's a that's an organization that

1627
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: it's easy to front run with the media gets behind you,

1628
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 3: they start pumping you up, and you know it goes

1629
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 3: your way. Now if if they stumble out of the gate,

1630
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 3: it turns the other way, and it's fast and it goes,

1631
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 3: it circles the drain really fast. So I think the

1632
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 3: first month and a half of the season is really

1633
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 3: going to be critical for the New York Jets to

1634
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: get out to a fast start. If they do, it's

1635
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: a dogfight in the division. Even it's gonna be it's

1636
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: a long season and anything gonna happen, and injuries can

1637
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: always you know, booie or sabotage your season. But I

1638
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 3: think that first six weeks of the season is going

1639
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 3: to be absolutely critical for the Jets, given the atmosphere

1640
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 3: that is pervasive in their franch in their region, and

1641
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 3: the way they handle you know, in the media and

1642
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 3: the city and the fan base, and all the pressure

1643
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 3: that can be brought to bear by outside forces. So

1644
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 3: if they start getting if they get out to a

1645
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 3: fast start, look.

1646
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Out, well yeah, and they'll be anointed. Jeremy on the

1647
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: tweets sheet says not much. I love the moves. It'll

1648
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: set the Jets back at least half a decade. It'll

1649
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: be nice to watch Rogers and the Jets get eliminated

1650
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: from the playoffs by Garoppolo and the Raiders Rogers tradition.

1651
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Philip says this puts the Jets in win now window

1652
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: and more desperate to make additional moves in an arms race.

1653
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: No additional pressure from the division, as Casey and the

1654
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: Bengals are the true roadblocks. Only real impact on the

1655
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: Bill is likely playing wild Card weekend, making the division

1656
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 2: title less important. As the East beats on each other,

1657
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 2: I think there will be more of that. The AFC

1658
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: East will be kind of beating up each other. We

1659
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: anticipated that last year, Steve, if you remember out in

1660
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 2: the AFC West, we thought with Russell Wilson going there,

1661
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: justin Herbert Patrick Mahomes and Derek Carr getting Devonte Adams. Oh,

1662
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: the AFC West, They're gonna beat up on each other

1663
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 2: all season long. That's better for the Bills and other

1664
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: teams and other divisions not so much. Now people are

1665
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: wondering if that's gonna happen in the AFC East. Now

1666
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 2: that Rogers is here, you still have, well, at least

1667
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: at the start of the season, you have a healthy TUA.

1668
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 2: You know, what are we gonna do?

1669
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 3: Bil? What are they gonna do? If Nathaniel Hackett works

1670
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 3: the same magic on Aaron Rodgers that he worked on

1671
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: Russe Wilson last year, then what are you gonna do?

1672
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 3: I'll be cackling its cause it don't you know, think

1673
01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 3: about it. You know I saw that track wreck. I'm

1674
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 3: not saying that's gonna happen, but still it could.

1675
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: It could because we just watched it last year and

1676
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: then seeing break time for us. Here some final thoughts

1677
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet next year on One Bill's Live

1678
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 2: Stay Tune Final thoughts on the tweets sheet here, Tiffany

1679
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 2: says the pressure is on the Jets. They've put themselves

1680
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: in a position to have to win it all this

1681
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: season with the future draft compensation they gave up to

1682
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: get Rogers. We still have the best QB in the division.

1683
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm confident we can still win make a deep playoff

1684
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: run this season. Super Beasts. Jets will be better than

1685
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and the Patriots, but won't be the Bills

1686
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: when it counts. Matt says they got better, but there's

1687
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 2: no guarantee how how well he'll play, or if he'll

1688
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 2: even play more than a season. It'd be far scarier

1689
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 2: for the long term if they swung for Lamar. Interesting.

1690
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 3: That's true too. I like that's a good take as well.

1691
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,520
Speaker 3: You're true, that's true. If Lamar came into the division.

1692
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: That's different.

1693
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: That's different. And I'll say this, we were laughing. I

1694
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 3: think I said this during the brown I don't think

1695
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: I said this at the end of the last segment.

1696
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: But what happens if Rogers going to the Jets with

1697
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett has the same magical touch that Nathaniel Hackett

1698
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 3: had with Russ Wilson in Denver last year?

1699
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1700
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: What if that little magic potion blows up in their

1701
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: face just like it did a year ago.

1702
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: I would say the only difference is Hackett and Rogers

1703
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: have worked together before in Green Bay. The system is

1704
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: essentially the same that he used in Green Bay, so

1705
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: you would think they would hit the ground running. They

1706
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: have a proven number one running back in Breese Hall.

1707
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 2: How he looks removed from the ACL injury will be

1708
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: something to watch. They have a proven number one ride

1709
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: receiver in Garrett Wilson. They have to fix the offensive line,

1710
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: which many people believe they will address in the draft.

1711
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: Gigi says yes, unfortunately, Yes, I'm not convinced on the coaching,

1712
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: but the talent they have is pretty scary, especially getting

1713
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: haul Back healthy and a hub that has been MVP

1714
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 2: twice in the last three years. Jets have added, the

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01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 2: Bills have subtracted. I don't know if they've I don't

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01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: know that. I don't know if Tremaine Edmonds is a subtraction.

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01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: And Devin Singletary, I hate to say it, they've upgraded

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: to Amien Harris is a better player.

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01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. Though the Jets are better today, no quest.

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01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:22,959
Speaker 3: You have to acknowledge.

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01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a better team.

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01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: And Aaron Rodgers has a lot of chops and he's

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01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 3: gonna make a difference for those guys. He's gonna I

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01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 3: would think. Now we can make all things about, you know,

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01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 3: Nate Hack and all that, how it went. But yeah,

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01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see. That's it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Join us tomorrow at one pm for NFL Draft Eve.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you then