WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Tuesday Hour Four

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<v Speaker 1>And broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty strong Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>We're off all week long. We give a lot of thanks,

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<v Speaker 3>we eat a lot, we watch a lot of football.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll come back refreshed. But I hope you enjoyed this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be really good, some delicious leftovers if you will.

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<v Speaker 4>The flavors have made friends overnight in the French Plus

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<v Speaker 5>Earl corn You's Central Valley is, without question, one of

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<v Speaker 5>the most vital agricultural regions in America, producing seventeen billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollars worth of crops twenty five percent of the nation's

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<v Speaker 5>food supply, and to help grow and harvest those crops,

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<v Speaker 5>many farmers here rely on undocumented workers. The Department of

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<v Speaker 5>Agriculture estimates that about half of the hired crop workers

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<v Speaker 5>do not.

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<v Speaker 3>Have legal status.

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<v Speaker 5>That is estimated to be more than three hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>thirty thousand workers in the Central Valley.

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<v Speaker 3>Alone, three hundred thousand workers in the Central Valley alone.

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<v Speaker 3>That if you followed what recent poling says, sixty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of America wants would all be booted out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And that would be obviously, if he did that all

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<v Speaker 3>at once, would be quite the wrecking of the whole

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<v Speaker 3>agricultural system. Doesn't mean it's not a good idea, though,

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<v Speaker 3>because you got to have a system of some sort

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<v Speaker 3>for having workers. It's the job of Congress to come

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<v Speaker 3>up with and be implied and follow through. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if they're going to or not, but Joe and

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<v Speaker 3>I have been talking about illegal immigration in farm workers

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<v Speaker 3>for geez, twenty five years or whatever being on the air,

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<v Speaker 3>and this very part of the a California in the

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<v Speaker 3>country that they're talking about on ABC this week, And

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<v Speaker 3>we used to talk about it all the time when

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<v Speaker 3>we were only on in the Sacramento area. People had

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<v Speaker 3>always talk do you want tomatoes to be five dollars? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>then you know it's kind of pick the lettuce, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>It was always the conversation, and our answer was always

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<v Speaker 4>somebody or nobody or a machine, Well, let's hear from

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of farmers in the Central Valley and their

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<v Speaker 4>theories on why you need to have illegals picking.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's more from ABC this week. We can't afford a

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<v Speaker 3>labor shortage.

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<v Speaker 6>Back during Obama, we had a labor shortage and there

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<v Speaker 6>were a time where we actually lost some crop.

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<v Speaker 5>I think people will look at say, but wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>they're Americans who are unemployed.

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<v Speaker 3>Why can't you just hire them.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't want to come out here and work in

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<v Speaker 6>this in this extreme conditions one hundred plus degree temperatures,

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<v Speaker 6>dust hard work.

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<v Speaker 3>What if you paid them more, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we pay some of the highest wages for

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<v Speaker 6>farm workers in the nation right here in California, and

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<v Speaker 6>they won't come out.

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<v Speaker 3>And just so before we have that conversation, here's a

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<v Speaker 3>different farmer, same question, same topic there. I don't care

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<v Speaker 3>what you pay them. I don't care if we pay

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<v Speaker 3>them twenty six dollars an hour, that ain't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to get up at four or five

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning, drive to the field and pick fruit.

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<v Speaker 3>So and that question was, why why don't you just

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<v Speaker 3>hire Americans? They won't do it. I don't care what

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<v Speaker 3>you pay them. They're not going to get up that

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<v Speaker 3>time of day and come out and do that job.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't understand why that isn't a hold on pause,

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<v Speaker 3>let's have a conversation about that sort of revelation On

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<v Speaker 3>ABC this week, they just move on to em They

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<v Speaker 3>see Americans won't do this work, so it makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>to have illegal brown people do it. What what How

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<v Speaker 3>do you craft a society like that? How about why

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<v Speaker 3>would people who are unemployed or underemployed take the option

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<v Speaker 3>of not doing a job even if it paid really well? Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>How could they do that? How does that work? How

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<v Speaker 3>does that fin How are they paying the rent? How

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<v Speaker 3>are they eating?

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<v Speaker 4>Can you imagine if you went to family counseling and

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<v Speaker 4>and you said, my children refuse to do their chores,

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<v Speaker 4>and the counselor said, well, let's talk about how you

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<v Speaker 4>can hire someone to do your children's right. No, that's

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<v Speaker 4>not the right question, right, Yeah, Oh that's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've been we've been talking about this very topic

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<v Speaker 3>for decades now. How have we just accepted that people

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<v Speaker 3>born in this country shouldn't have to do work that's

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<v Speaker 3>not i don't know, glamorous or kind of hard. Or

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<v Speaker 3>it's outside or whatever. The reason is people don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. I did that kind of work when

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<v Speaker 3>I was in high school. Lots of us did. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't do it any many Americans did?

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<v Speaker 2>Ye?

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<v Speaker 3>But is everybody okay with that? Creating a welfare state

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<v Speaker 3>so lavish that people can choose not to do jobs

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't find like something they want to do,

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<v Speaker 3>even even if it pays twenty nine dollars an hour

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<v Speaker 3>and one more amusing irony, This is amusing me for many,

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<v Speaker 3>many years.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the more quote unquote progressive you are, the more

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<v Speaker 4>in favor of white.

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<v Speaker 3>People, won't do this work. Let's bring in some of

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<v Speaker 3>those brown people.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's the further left yard, the more you're

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<v Speaker 4>a hardcore open up the borders and let an in person,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also the unspoken, unstated realization that if millions of

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<v Speaker 3>people come here and do those jobs they're getting by,

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<v Speaker 3>they must be able to live somewhere and have a

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<v Speaker 3>car and eat and you know, do all the things

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do with a job right by definition.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just it's it boils down to a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of very very simple principles. Number one is the purpose

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<v Speaker 4>of getting the reins of government is to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to distribute money from the treasury. Doesn't matter what the

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<v Speaker 4>system is. They vary in how they do that, but

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<v Speaker 4>that's the point. And in our system you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>get a little support.

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<v Speaker 3>From a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Kim Jong Oun just needs a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of support from a fairly small group of people. But

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<v Speaker 4>in a democracy, you need a little support from a

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<v Speaker 4>hell of a lot of people. How do you do

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<v Speaker 4>that by handing out money? Government benefits you know, three

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<v Speaker 4>and a half dozen different social programs that make sure

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<v Speaker 4>nobody's going to starve. And so the second very broad

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<v Speaker 4>and easy to understand principle is people go for their

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<v Speaker 4>best alternative. They will do their best option. And for

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<v Speaker 4>Americans working in a field in the heat, in the dust,

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<v Speaker 4>bent over is not nearly their best option. For some

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<v Speaker 4>Guatemalan it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I don't understand how we got to where

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<v Speaker 3>we're okay with that or think that that's a workable

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<v Speaker 3>plan going forward that doesn't end up with like I've

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<v Speaker 3>been taking in a lot of French Revolution stuff over

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend. You know that sort of society falling apart.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe the French Revolution is your Roman Empire, although

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<v Speaker 4>you are quite interested in the Roman Empire as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It is so the answer of how we get there

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<v Speaker 4>is because nobody asks the question, the moral question there,

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<v Speaker 4>the one that we keep harping on is it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of the conversation at all. No, it wasn't. ABC

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<v Speaker 3>this week did a long segment on this topic and

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<v Speaker 3>not a word of Does it seem a little weird

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<v Speaker 3>to have a society where you've declared certain jobs off

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<v Speaker 3>limits for your citizens, Like, no, that's too grungy a

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<v Speaker 3>job even at twenty nine dollars an hour you just

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to have to do. I mean, would you

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<v Speaker 3>do that with your own kids. I'll keep supporting you,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, until you're thirty or a past rather than

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<v Speaker 3>you go do that job. What? Yeah, who would live

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<v Speaker 3>their lives like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Democracy's end when they realize they can vote themselves money

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<v Speaker 4>from the treasury. Can you imagine running on the platform

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to get you off of your couch and

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<v Speaker 4>into the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Good luck? What at right? We're a soft, decadent country.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just that's it we really are, Which is what

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<v Speaker 3>France was when they fell apart, not to get back

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<v Speaker 3>to the revolution, but and then here they wrapped up

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation with this portion.

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<v Speaker 5>Deporting undocumented workers in California is complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>The state enacted a measure.

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<v Speaker 5>In twenty seventeen that prevents state resources from being used

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<v Speaker 5>for federal immigration enforcement. And while that law varies by

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<v Speaker 5>city and county, California is the sanctuary city capital of America,

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<v Speaker 5>with dozens of cities and counties protecting undocumented residents from

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<v Speaker 5>a rest based solely on their immigration status.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a problem. I mean, it all fits together

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<v Speaker 3>as part of a puzzle. I hate the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're going to accept I'm not, but apparently

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<v Speaker 3>we have accepted that our American born people shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to do those jobs. Well, then you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>have illegals here. And then if you're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>illegals here, you can't have them being deported. So you

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<v Speaker 3>got to be a sanctuary county. I mean, it all

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<v Speaker 3>fits together, or you.

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<v Speaker 4>Just admit all of the above and you design a

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<v Speaker 4>temporary worker program, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>What Congress should do. Also, not a part of the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation where they said, well, if you want it to

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<v Speaker 3>be this way, and apparently people do well, then Congress

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<v Speaker 3>needs to sit down and come up with a very

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<v Speaker 3>complex system for workers or making these people citizens or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is you're gonna do. But you got to

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<v Speaker 3>come up with a plan. The all the arguments I

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<v Speaker 3>seem to see on the Sunday talk shows, nobody was

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<v Speaker 3>offering anything other than continuing to just randomly let people

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<v Speaker 3>come in buy the millions, come and go, buy the millions,

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<v Speaker 3>not know who they are. Martha Radditt's even admitted to

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<v Speaker 3>whoever was pushing back on this story, there are six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand known criminals, not the crime of being illegal,

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<v Speaker 3>but like other crimes from Mexico or Venezuela, six hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand criminals in the United States right now. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>know where they are. What kind of who does that? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's nuts. Yeah it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's self destructive, it's it's horrible because we won't get

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<v Speaker 4>to the root questions and the final annoying reality I'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to trot out there. This is why I don't

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<v Speaker 4>get many invitations to dinner parties. Oh you invited, mister

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<v Speaker 4>annoying reality. Oh good is the Left raises money from

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<v Speaker 4>soft heads, in my opinion, with their no human being

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<v Speaker 4>is illegal, bill bridges not walls, nonsense. And the right

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<v Speaker 4>raises money on boot them all out, seal the borders,

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<v Speaker 4>and to say we're going to craft a guest worker

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<v Speaker 4>program that's going to let one point one million people

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<v Speaker 4>in temporarily, we'll keep tracking them, blah blah blah, we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna streamline the course.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just you can't raise money on that. It's too complicated.

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<v Speaker 4>The devil is in the details, and there's always plenty

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<v Speaker 4>to anger, you know, virtually everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>In the discussion. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean to be discouraging, but as long as

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<v Speaker 4>small money donations rule politics, it's going to be hard

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<v Speaker 4>to work out stuff like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just appalled by the idea. I've always cringed when

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<v Speaker 3>anybody says those are jobs of America won't do. That

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<v Speaker 3>makes me cringe. You cannot be a strong, functioning, successful

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<v Speaker 3>society if you've decided certain jobs are off limits to

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<v Speaker 3>your citizens. That's sickening as a notion.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's how empires fall back to Rome. Or if

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<v Speaker 4>you'd prefer I assume with your French Revolution passion. You'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to say, see guillotines all over America cutting off

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<v Speaker 4>the heads of the disloyal or immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you're crazy world.

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<v Speaker 2>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or Jack your Joe podcasts and our hot links

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>absolute classic.

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<v Speaker 4>Frank Sanatlong you said, it's probably a little long, but

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<v Speaker 4>what the heck, we always have time for it. It's

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<v Speaker 4>from Lord Woodhousily, also known as Alexander Fraser Tyler, from

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<v Speaker 4>back in the seventeen hundreds. The democracy cannot exist as

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<v Speaker 4>a permanent form of government. Can only exist until the

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<v Speaker 4>voters discover they can vote themselves largest from the public treasury.

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<v Speaker 4>From that moment on, the majority always votes for the

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<v Speaker 4>candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with

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<v Speaker 4>the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy,

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<v Speaker 4>always followed by a dictatorship.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he goes into a bit of history.

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<v Speaker 4>These nations have progressed through the sequence from bondage to

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage

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<v Speaker 4>to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness,

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<v Speaker 4>from selfishness to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence

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<v Speaker 4>back into bondage.

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<v Speaker 3>So where are we right now? Somewhere between apathy and dependence. Uh, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've certainly progressed past selfishness to apathy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, apathy to dependence. I think you nailed it. Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby boomers were the selfish and removed into the apathy.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're headed into the dependence. Yep, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds right accurate. I think that's absolutely right. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about this last night when I went

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<v Speaker 3>to bed for some reason, about how there's a shelf

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<v Speaker 3>life to these things and it just is, always has been,

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<v Speaker 3>probably always will be, and it's suppressing, really freaking depressing,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you consider the following. This is your cheery you up. Note.

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<v Speaker 4>During every one of those stages, smart people, energetic people.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I'm not very energetic, so let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Just go as smart, smart, and semi energetic people have

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<v Speaker 4>found ways to craft happy, productive lives.

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<v Speaker 3>It just gets a little tougher.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, what in the words of the old bluesman,

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<v Speaker 4>What is you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? I understand if you're gonna focus on you and yours,

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<v Speaker 3>but kind of like the whole thing to last for

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<v Speaker 3>a while. I wanted a pony for Christmas? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Wake up, grow up mail bag?

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez drove us a nope mail bag at Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 4>geddy dot com when convenient. I I had a screed yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I unleashed a screed about how the Internet fertilizes stupidity.

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<v Speaker 4>I never would have thought of it again as long

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<v Speaker 4>as I lived, except several emailers have brought it up.

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<v Speaker 3>That is pretty good. I forgot it a horedy myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Rich says Joe's book about in the Internet fertilizing stupidity. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>he says, true, but it's not fertilizing women, hence the

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<v Speaker 4>low birth rates. That could be an angle on my book. Rich,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you full credit, thanks, Bud.

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<v Speaker 3>The Internet fertilizes stupidity might be your best quote ever.

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<v Speaker 3>And I forgot I said it anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Mark and Stanton writes gents regarding the MSNBC Reporter and

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<v Speaker 4>the other media chuckleheads, describing our Marjorie Taylor Green as

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<v Speaker 4>the most conservative Republican in the House.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever, which is an absurd description.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a better description was inadvertently coined earlier in

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<v Speaker 4>the show by Joe. You might say, Marjorie Taylor Green

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<v Speaker 4>is a grand standing moron quote fertilizing stupidity in her caucus.

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<v Speaker 4>Judging by the Republican caucus actions lately, this is producing

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<v Speaker 4>a bumper crop of dysfunction and asininity.

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<v Speaker 3>The sun is a mighty powerful eat mark instant.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and one of the reasons I love that is

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<v Speaker 4>a sign off by the way mark. One of the

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<v Speaker 4>reasons I hate the so much is portraying a variety

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<v Speaker 4>of things as conservative, is that it comes from the

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<v Speaker 4>liberal media.

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<v Speaker 3>They want conservative to have a stench to it. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing conservative about Marjorie Taylor Green or Matt Gates

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<v Speaker 3>that that's they're not extra conservative as they're portrayed in

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<v Speaker 3>the media. That's not what they are.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have to work for a while to come

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<v Speaker 4>up with a term for exactly what they are.

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<v Speaker 3>More like, trumpy is not bad, well, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you would turn to political science for

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<v Speaker 3>a label for them, though, correct. Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you would turn to Marshall McCloughan. Is that the name

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<v Speaker 3>of the guy who coined the media as the mess

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<v Speaker 3>and just the modern postmodern media world whipping up interest

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<v Speaker 3>and fervor and clicks and that sort of thing. We're

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<v Speaker 3>out of time already. I've got a lot of great

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<v Speaker 3>stuff here, Mike. We've got to believe a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>of a show to wat quick question for you, what

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<v Speaker 4>The answer is easy, friends, Just download our podcast, Armstrong

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<v Speaker 4>So quick aside, before we get into the main thrust

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<v Speaker 4>of the segment. I am a very very lucky man

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<v Speaker 4>in that, in addition to the other aspects of our relationship,

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<v Speaker 4>my wife and I are are best friends. And she

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<v Speaker 4>was walking our dog apparently and texted me we'd surveyed

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday whilst walking Baxter in our neighborhood there was a

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<v Speaker 4>dead possum.

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<v Speaker 3>And how do you know it was not just playing

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<v Speaker 3>It's main I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a method actor because it had gone to

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<v Speaker 4>the trouble of decay, surraying itself. Okay, there was no

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<v Speaker 4>bodily integrity there. I don't want to get too disgusting.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, my best friend my wife just texted me

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<v Speaker 4>keeping me up to date. There is very little of

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<v Speaker 4>that possum left. The vultures must have found it, keeping

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<v Speaker 4>an eye on the DP right, just like bringing a

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<v Speaker 4>man up to date.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, how's that dead possum? I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>at work. I had a similar thing going with my

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<v Speaker 3>wife back in the day about it what we called

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<v Speaker 3>the j o U the jud give me a second. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 3>now I got it because I remember the story. But

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<v Speaker 3>jugo urine, because there was a big giant jug of

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<v Speaker 3>urine that some truck driver apparently had dropped off in

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<v Speaker 3>a corner uh oh where you get on the interstate,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was there for days. I would get texting

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<v Speaker 3>the joh you is still there. Oh, that's so cross

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<v Speaker 3>it is. But truck drivers say, oh, they got needs,

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<v Speaker 3>and they am out there filling our stories with of goods.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important work.

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<v Speaker 4>They needs to pull over and pee in a toilet, please,

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<v Speaker 4>so on a much more serious topic. Part of me

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<v Speaker 4>wants to. I don't know, I don't want to. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>looking at the clock. Yeah, we'll give it a try.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a we'll take a break midway through. I am

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<v Speaker 4>not as hardcore, I think, as some view on the

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<v Speaker 4>right to life, and I don't mean abortion, but as

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<v Speaker 4>an individualist and a small libertarian, I actually think that

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<v Speaker 4>if you are afflicted by a terrible, terrible dread disease

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<v Speaker 4>and you decide no, I'm going to end my days

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<v Speaker 4>on Earth on my terms as opposed to the diseases terms,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think you have that right.

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<v Speaker 3>What if you're just bored with life? Well, see that's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're talking here about Canada, which and this isn't

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<v Speaker 4>aside our closest allies, Canada in particular and Great Britain

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<v Speaker 4>are doing some crazy, crazy stuff in terms of constitutional

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<v Speaker 4>rights and progressive policies and stuff like that. If you

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<v Speaker 4>think they're like America but with funny accents, that's not

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<v Speaker 4>true anymore. Anyway, more on that another time, maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 4>go through a list. But I have not been staunchly

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<v Speaker 4>against some of the right to die discussions. But at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, if you look into it in a

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<v Speaker 4>sober way, you realize there are many slippery slopes you

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<v Speaker 4>can go down. And indeed, Canada, which has embraced the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of assistant suicide. The sub headline of the Wall

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<v Speaker 4>Street Journal opinion piece by Nicholas Tomino, which I found

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<v Speaker 4>extremely compelling, is assisted suicide was sold as compassionate and

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<v Speaker 4>practice it has turned out to be monstrous.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting because it's all it's all my life, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's always been a talk radio topic. It's always been theoretical.

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<v Speaker 3>But now somebody has tried at large scale and we

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<v Speaker 3>have some evidence of how it actually would turn out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he quotes Charles Crouthammer, and that's underdone lately.

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<v Speaker 4>As he was a brilliant man. He was looking at

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<v Speaker 4>a Supreme Court case called Vaco v.

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<v Speaker 3>Quill.

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<v Speaker 4>The court was looking at physician assisted suicide, and the

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme Court held unanimously that the Constitution does not create

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<v Speaker 4>a right to that procedure. Krauthammer wrote, quote, we are

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<v Speaker 4>being asked to become a society where when the tormented

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<v Speaker 4>soul on the ledge asks us for our help in

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<v Speaker 4>granting him relief, we oblige him with a push.

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<v Speaker 3>Lawrence Tribe, I think the tormented soul would say, my

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<v Speaker 3>relief is going to be not having to be alive anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, right, But Crowdhammer is saying that we a society

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<v Speaker 4>should not put ourselves in the position of pushing them

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<v Speaker 4>or I don't know, it's difficult in a situation where

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<v Speaker 4>you don't need any help to come up with the

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<v Speaker 4>right metaphor. But anyway, Lawrence Tribe, who argued the case

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<v Speaker 4>for the plaintiffs, suggested that the slope would not be slippery.

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<v Speaker 4>The procedure would be granted to the patient with n

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<v Speaker 4>stage heart failure, not the man on the ledge. At

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, Tribe positive that people at the threshold

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of life enjoy the liberty to decide

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<v Speaker 4>how they die. And I would agree, sure in principle,

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<v Speaker 4>in principle, but Crowdhammer spotted the arguments whole. Why couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>the chronically ill who face a lifetime of agny that's

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<v Speaker 4>a quote from the case, or the healthy but bereft

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<v Speaker 4>availed themselves of the same right. Where do you draw

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<v Speaker 4>the line for who has that right?

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<v Speaker 3>And why would the government ever draw a line about

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<v Speaker 3>that right? And as a discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a really interesting and compelling one what

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<v Speaker 4>happens when someone tries it. But as Soel said, you

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<v Speaker 4>know a lot of recent history is replacing what works

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<v Speaker 4>with what sounds good, and you really have to think hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it so easy to get duped by what sounds good?

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to think of, all right, what will be

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<v Speaker 4>the second tier effects of this?

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<v Speaker 3>What will be the effects of those effects?

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<v Speaker 4>How will human beings actually act if we change the

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<v Speaker 4>world in this way? So Canada's undergone a crash course

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<v Speaker 4>in what the country calls medical assistance in dying, or

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<v Speaker 4>made they call it. It began in twenty fifteen when

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<v Speaker 4>the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I don't like giving this a kind of cutesy

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<v Speaker 3>acronym to cover up what's going on there. That seems

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<v Speaker 3>like on an intentional thing right there. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable even saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But the Supreme Court and ruled in Carter versus

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<v Speaker 4>Canada that the law prohibiting physicians assisted dying and interfered

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<v Speaker 4>with the liberty and security of people with grievous and

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<v Speaker 4>irremediable medical conditions, and Parliament codified this decision the following year.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what this reminds me of before you

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<v Speaker 3>even go further to where I know you're going. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>is the marijuana argument and how it happened in America.

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<v Speaker 3>It was always the oh so, people who have cancer

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<v Speaker 3>and have no appetite can't have marijuana, when the intention

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<v Speaker 3>of most of those people all along was to legalize

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<v Speaker 3>recreational use of marijuana. But they had the cover of

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<v Speaker 3>the oh so, cancer victims can't patients can't have marijuana.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I wonder, what's going on here? You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think some of it may be premeditated. I

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of it's just naives in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>But draw your own conclusions. Certainly, so lawmakers thought that

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<v Speaker 4>they were imposing limits. The Justice Minister at the time said,

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<v Speaker 4>and I quote, we do not wish to promote premature

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<v Speaker 4>death as a allusion to all medical suffering. And the

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<v Speaker 4>plaintiffs lead lawyer in that case said, quote, in almost

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<v Speaker 4>every case, doctors will want to keep help keep their

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<v Speaker 4>patients staying alive, not die. We know physicians will be

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<v Speaker 4>reluctant gatekeepers. But it turns out that the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 4>of Quebec ruled shortly after the original law was passed

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<v Speaker 4>that it was unconstitutional because some of the wordings said

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<v Speaker 4>that an applicant's death from a quote grievous and irremediable

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<v Speaker 4>medical condition must be reasonably foreseeable. And they said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a little vague or it just doesn't work in practice.

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<v Speaker 4>So Parliament amended that, opening wider the door to facilitate

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<v Speaker 4>a death. The new law dropped some of the safeguards,

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<v Speaker 4>such as the minimum ten day assessment period between request

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<v Speaker 4>and provision. They say it also proposed mental illness as

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<v Speaker 4>an eligible condition, the implementation of which the government delayed

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<v Speaker 4>for a few years. But the message for everyone else

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<v Speaker 4>remain the same. If you want to die, you needn't wait.

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<v Speaker 4>And the numbers are astounding. Assistant suicide is now at

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<v Speaker 4>least the fifth leading cause of death in Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Wortage to thirteen thousand plus lives in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>They have fleeting cause of death. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Keeping in mind that I don't think I'm wrong that

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<v Speaker 4>Canada's population is less than that of California, Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about the same. Yeah, it's thirty some million. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very very small country for the geographic size of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the government believed doctors wouldn't merely rubber stamp applications.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet in twenty twenty two, more than eighty one percent

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<v Speaker 4>of petitions resulted in deaths, including for a vision slash,

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<v Speaker 4>hearing loss, and diabetes. He documents that the percentage of

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<v Speaker 4>denied requests has been falling from years, from eight percent

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty nineteen to three and a half percent two

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, even as the number of applications has increased.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm just too much of a libertarian on this

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<v Speaker 3>for some people. But if if somebody goes blind and

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<v Speaker 3>they say, I don't want to live the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>my life blind, I'd rather be dead, I don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>the government's role in telling them they can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I would agree, absolutely agree. Here's the part that really

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<v Speaker 4>really bothers me. I think that's a bad decision. I

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<v Speaker 4>think there'd be plenty of ways to find a way

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<v Speaker 4>to have a very rich, enjoyable life while blind, for instance,

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<v Speaker 4>or a number of other things. And I think your

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<v Speaker 4>kids would like to have you around. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>saying I don't know the government gets to step in

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<v Speaker 4>and say no, we don't think so, we think you

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<v Speaker 4>should keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>I would agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a perfect case of I would argue

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<v Speaker 4>vehemently or compassionately against that as your solution, but I

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<v Speaker 4>recognize your right to do it nonetheless. But there's the

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<v Speaker 4>case of this gentleman, Roger Foley, who suffers from a

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<v Speaker 4>degenerative neurological disorder, and as his condition worsened, he resigned

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<v Speaker 4>from his job. After several years in home care in

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<v Speaker 4>which he says he was mistreated, he was placed in

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<v Speaker 4>a mental health board. He said, I became extremely suicidal.

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<v Speaker 4>After he shared those thoughts with staff, they began to

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<v Speaker 4>float the idea of euthanasia. That alarmed him, so he

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<v Speaker 4>began to record the conversation secretly. He later shared them

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<v Speaker 4>with Canadian journalists. In one, a hospital ethicist threatens mister

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Foley with denial of insurance coverage and said they would

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<v Speaker 4>cost him north of fifteen hundred dollars a day to

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<v Speaker 4>stay in the hospital. When mister Foley protested, the ethicist retorted, Roger,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not my show. My piece of this was

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<v Speaker 4>to talk to you about if you had any interest

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<v Speaker 4>in assisted dying, and he didn't. Then the person tried

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<v Speaker 4>to argue him into it, and then what there is

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<v Speaker 4>well and then there's the and I've been hearing this

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<v Speaker 4>argument against it for a very very long time. Once

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<v Speaker 4>you open this door, there will be pressure from insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 4>There will be pressure from relatives who might want to

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<v Speaker 4>inherit your money or they might be paying the bill,

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<v Speaker 4>and God bless them if you are being ruined financially

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<v Speaker 4>providing end of life care to someone who is going

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<v Speaker 4>to die.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it makes you a monster to not well,

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<v Speaker 3>to not want it to happen today as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>next Wednesday. If the difference is like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, So the concern is, and it's borne out

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<v Speaker 4>by the Canadian experience. When you open the door to this,

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<v Speaker 4>the worst impulses of humanity run wild.

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<v Speaker 3>That argument gets my attention definitely, because that not only

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<v Speaker 3>could happen, guaranteed to happen, guaranteed to happen, And then

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<v Speaker 3>you're in and having been a guy, so I had

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<v Speaker 3>cancer and was in treatment for nine months chemotherapy and radiation,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had to I at least thought about this some.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, jeez, if it goes wrong, what going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like at the end, How miserable do I want

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<v Speaker 3>to be? I'm miserable right now. So I didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>about it a lot, but I thought about it some.

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<v Speaker 3>But if if i'm if I'm headed down the road

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<v Speaker 3>of miser First of all, you're on so many drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't even think that clearly as it was a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of times, let alone end of life sort of drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in no situation to to to have presence of

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<v Speaker 3>mind even make a decision from a chemical standpoint, let

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<v Speaker 3>alone the emotions. Then you got family members who might

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<v Speaker 3>not like you, who want you to die because they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get sure would like to get that inheritance before

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<v Speaker 3>summer so I can get my boat. You're gonna tell

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<v Speaker 3>me that's not gonna happen. Of course that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah. And there's an interesting principle. I'm sure there's

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 4>a probably a Latin word for this. It's the reason

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<v Speaker 4>prostitution is illegal. It's to keep it at a certain level.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no real intention to stomp it out, stamp

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<v Speaker 4>it out completely. It would take way too much time

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 4>and money. But if something is illegal, it's like speed limits.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody expects you to actually go sixty five, but it

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 4>keeps people from going on and ten. The reality, and

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<v Speaker 4>I have this unfairly good authority in the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>is that there are plenty of doctors who, convinced of

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<v Speaker 4>your sincerity and sober mindedness at the end, might not

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<v Speaker 4>stand in the way of certain things happening that would

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<v Speaker 4>end your life, perhaps pharmaceutically, for instance, And maybe that's

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<v Speaker 4>the way it ought to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, this is a tough one then. So my stated

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<v Speaker 3>thought is the government has no business whatsoever deciding whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not I want to be alive or not. Zero.

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<v Speaker 3>But you get just the other side of that, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're right into the insurance stuff and everything else. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the.

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<v Speaker 4>Best situation is it's only done when it's clearly the

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<v Speaker 4>right thing, and everybody keeps their mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally, and this is probably easy to say when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in horrible pain end of my life, but

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<v Speaker 3>I personally would like to have the full human experience

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<v Speaker 3>of having it happened naturally. Whatever that.

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<v Speaker 4>If I say, doc, I have a list of people

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<v Speaker 4>I'd like to take with me, how does that send?

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong?

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<v Speaker 2>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was talking to a babysitter I was interviewing

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday and we got into this topic. This is not

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<v Speaker 3>anything we haven't discussed before, we haven't thought about. She

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<v Speaker 3>was a political science major, so we got into a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a conversation about that. I just was asking,

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<v Speaker 3>do you think things will ever go back to where

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't everybody's life all the time following politics constantly

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<v Speaker 3>and pendulum or continuum. That sort of stuff kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>But I said, you know, you're you're young, so you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know this. But people didn't used to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>politics all the time. In fact, we almost never talked

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<v Speaker 3>about it. I said, you know, when I none of

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<v Speaker 3>my and I hadn't thought about it because she's in college.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>All my friends in college, I don't have the slightest

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<v Speaker 3>idea what their politics were. The slightest idea never came up.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't. I couldn't tell you now, people that I

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<v Speaker 3>hung out with all the time what their politics were

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<v Speaker 3>old beer were our politics? And she looked at me

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<v Speaker 3>like I was crazy. She said, wow, I said, in girlfriends,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking of all the girlfriends I had in college.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any idea what their politics were or

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<v Speaker 3>their parents. And she said that's crazy. She said, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the first question you ask somebody when you meet them. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the first question. Wow, And we both couldn't believe each

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<v Speaker 3>other's life experience around this. I have no idea what

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<v Speaker 3>any of my girlfriend's political positions were because we never

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<v Speaker 3>discussed it. And who cares? And who cares?

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<v Speaker 4>I like it when you when we spay and spend

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<v Speaker 4>time together and talk one thing you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I love when you do that. But I don't care

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<v Speaker 3>whether you're public democrat. That's perverse.

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<v Speaker 4>It's absolutely perverse, and it speaks to a couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>A handful of things. They can't be good.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there are books written about this stuff, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>the omnipresence of government in our lives, in the decay

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<v Speaker 4>of our other social institutions that gave our lives meaning

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<v Speaker 4>and a sense of belongingness.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And I was thinking, okay, so that's fine if

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 3>you're a lefty, and the first question is always you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, who do you vote for? What's your politics?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you can, you know, be out and proud and

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<v Speaker 3>whoever the girl you're talking to, I'm thinking about myself

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 3>as a guy. The girl you're talking to is almost

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<v Speaker 3>the same as you guaranteed. But what if you're not,

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<v Speaker 3>you either have to lie or not date anybody or

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<v Speaker 3>have any friends. I guess that is correct, Yes, absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wow, you know to that end, we don't have

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<v Speaker 4>much time, but I can squeeze this. In recent polling

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<v Speaker 4>shows the married men are fifty nine to thirty nine

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 4>Republican fifty nine to thirty nine. Married women are fifty

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 4>six to forty two. Republican. Unmarried men are fifty two

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<v Speaker 4>to forty five. Republican unmarried women are sixty eight thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat.

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<v Speaker 4>The Democratic Party has become the party of unmarried women,

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<v Speaker 4>and to some extent, either low T males or those

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<v Speaker 4>who are just so desperate to have a woman that

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<v Speaker 4>they pretend to be Democrats. I don't know, but that's shocking.

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<v Speaker 4>So Taylor Swift's endorsement, for instance, how could that be

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<v Speaker 4>a surprise to anyone that's like her entire constituency.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and it's worth also mentioning.

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<v Speaker 4>The New York Post had an interesting piece the other

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<v Speaker 4>day pointing that over the last eight years, especially the

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<v Speaker 4>last eight years, women have become much much more left

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<v Speaker 4>wing than they were. It's not just that they're left,

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<v Speaker 4>they're way more left.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and getty