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Speaker 1: And broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the

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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty strong Man.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 3: We're off all week long. We give a lot of thanks,

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Speaker 3: we eat a lot, we watch a lot of football.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back refreshed. But I hope you enjoyed this stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be really good, some delicious leftovers if you will.

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Speaker 5: Earl corn You's Central Valley is, without question, one of

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Speaker 5: the most vital agricultural regions in America, producing seventeen billion

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Speaker 5: dollars worth of crops twenty five percent of the nation's

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Speaker 5: food supply, and to help grow and harvest those crops,

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Speaker 5: many farmers here rely on undocumented workers. The Department of

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Speaker 5: Agriculture estimates that about half of the hired crop workers

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Speaker 5: do not.

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Speaker 3: Have legal status.

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Speaker 5: That is estimated to be more than three hundred and

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Speaker 5: thirty thousand workers in the Central Valley.

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Speaker 3: Alone, three hundred thousand workers in the Central Valley alone.

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Speaker 3: That if you followed what recent poling says, sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of America wants would all be booted out of the country.

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Speaker 3: And that would be obviously, if he did that all

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Speaker 3: at once, would be quite the wrecking of the whole

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Speaker 3: agricultural system. Doesn't mean it's not a good idea, though,

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Speaker 3: because you got to have a system of some sort

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Speaker 3: for having workers. It's the job of Congress to come

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Speaker 3: up with and be implied and follow through. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if they're going to or not, but Joe and

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Speaker 3: I have been talking about illegal immigration in farm workers

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Speaker 3: for geez, twenty five years or whatever being on the air,

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Speaker 3: and this very part of the a California in the

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Speaker 3: country that they're talking about on ABC this week, And

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Speaker 3: we used to talk about it all the time when

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Speaker 3: we were only on in the Sacramento area. People had

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Speaker 3: always talk do you want tomatoes to be five dollars? Well,

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Speaker 3: then you know it's kind of pick the lettuce, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: It was always the conversation, and our answer was always

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Speaker 4: somebody or nobody or a machine, Well, let's hear from

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Speaker 4: a couple of farmers in the Central Valley and their

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Speaker 4: theories on why you need to have illegals picking.

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Speaker 3: Here's more from ABC this week. We can't afford a

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Speaker 3: labor shortage.

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Speaker 6: Back during Obama, we had a labor shortage and there

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Speaker 6: were a time where we actually lost some crop.

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Speaker 5: I think people will look at say, but wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: they're Americans who are unemployed.

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Speaker 3: Why can't you just hire them.

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Speaker 6: They don't want to come out here and work in

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Speaker 6: this in this extreme conditions one hundred plus degree temperatures,

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Speaker 3: What if you paid them more, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: You know, we pay some of the highest wages for

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Speaker 6: farm workers in the nation right here in California, and

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Speaker 6: they won't come out.

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Speaker 3: And just so before we have that conversation, here's a

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Speaker 3: different farmer, same question, same topic there. I don't care

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Speaker 3: what you pay them. I don't care if we pay

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Speaker 3: them twenty six dollars an hour, that ain't going to happen.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to get up at four or five

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Speaker 3: So and that question was, why why don't you just

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Speaker 3: hire Americans? They won't do it. I don't care what

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Speaker 3: So I don't understand why that isn't a hold on pause,

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Speaker 3: let's have a conversation about that sort of revelation On

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Speaker 3: see Americans won't do this work, so it makes sense

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Speaker 3: to have illegal brown people do it. What what How

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Speaker 3: do you craft a society like that? How about why

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Speaker 3: would people who are unemployed or underemployed take the option

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Speaker 3: How could they do that? How does that work? How

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine if you went to family counseling and

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Speaker 4: and you said, my children refuse to do their chores,

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Speaker 4: can hire someone to do your children's right. No, that's

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Speaker 4: not the right question, right, Yeah, Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 3: But we've been we've been talking about this very topic

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Speaker 3: for decades now. How have we just accepted that people

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Speaker 3: I was in high school. Lots of us did. You

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Speaker 2: Ye?

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Speaker 3: But is everybody okay with that? Creating a welfare state

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Speaker 3: so lavish that people can choose not to do jobs

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Speaker 3: that they don't find like something they want to do,

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Speaker 3: even even if it pays twenty nine dollars an hour

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Speaker 3: and one more amusing irony, This is amusing me for many,

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Speaker 4: Is the more quote unquote progressive you are, the more

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Speaker 4: in favor of white.

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Speaker 3: People, won't do this work. Let's bring in some of

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the further left yard, the more you're

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Speaker 4: which I think is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: There's also the unspoken, unstated realization that if millions of

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Speaker 3: people come here and do those jobs they're getting by,

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Speaker 3: they must be able to live somewhere and have a

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Speaker 3: you want to do with a job right by definition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's it boils down to a couple

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Speaker 4: of very very simple principles. Number one is the purpose

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Speaker 4: to distribute money from the treasury. Doesn't matter what the

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Speaker 4: that's the point. And in our system you've got to

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Speaker 4: get a little support.

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Speaker 3: From a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Kim Jong Oun just needs a hell of a lot

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Speaker 4: of support from a fairly small group of people. But

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Speaker 4: in a democracy, you need a little support from a

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Speaker 4: hell of a lot of people. How do you do

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Speaker 4: that by handing out money? Government benefits you know, three

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Speaker 4: and a half dozen different social programs that make sure

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Speaker 4: nobody's going to starve. And so the second very broad

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Speaker 4: and easy to understand principle is people go for their

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Speaker 4: best alternative. They will do their best option. And for

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Speaker 3: I just I don't understand how we got to where

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Speaker 3: been taking in a lot of French Revolution stuff over

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Speaker 4: I believe the French Revolution is your Roman Empire, although

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Speaker 4: you are quite interested in the Roman Empire as well.

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Speaker 4: It is so the answer of how we get there

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Speaker 4: is because nobody asks the question, the moral question there,

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Speaker 4: the one that we keep harping on is it's not.

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Speaker 3: Part of the conversation at all. No, it wasn't. ABC

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Speaker 3: this week did a long segment on this topic and

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Speaker 3: not a word of Does it seem a little weird

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Speaker 3: to have a society where you've declared certain jobs off

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Speaker 3: limits for your citizens, Like, no, that's too grungy a

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Speaker 3: job even at twenty nine dollars an hour you just

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Speaker 3: don't want to have to do. I mean, would you

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Speaker 3: do that with your own kids. I'll keep supporting you,

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Speaker 3: you know, until you're thirty or a past rather than

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Speaker 3: you go do that job. What? Yeah, who would live

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Speaker 4: Democracy's end when they realize they can vote themselves money

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Speaker 4: from the treasury. Can you imagine running on the platform

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get you off of your couch and

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Speaker 3: Good luck? What at right? We're a soft, decadent country.

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Speaker 3: That's just that's it we really are, Which is what

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Speaker 3: France was when they fell apart, not to get back

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Speaker 3: to the revolution, but and then here they wrapped up

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Speaker 3: the conversation with this portion.

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Speaker 5: Deporting undocumented workers in California is complicated.

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Speaker 3: The state enacted a measure.

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Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen that prevents state resources from being used

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Speaker 5: for federal immigration enforcement. And while that law varies by

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Speaker 5: city and county, California is the sanctuary city capital of America,

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Speaker 5: with dozens of cities and counties protecting undocumented residents from

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Speaker 3: So that's a problem. I mean, it all fits together

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Speaker 3: as part of a puzzle. I hate the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: But if you're going to accept I'm not, but apparently

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Speaker 3: we have accepted that our American born people shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: to do those jobs. Well, then you're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: got to be a sanctuary county. I mean, it all

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Speaker 4: Just admit all of the above and you design a

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Speaker 4: temporary worker program, which is.

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Speaker 3: What Congress should do. Also, not a part of the

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Speaker 3: not know who they are. Martha Radditt's even admitted to

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Speaker 3: whoever was pushing back on this story, there are six

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand known criminals, not the crime of being illegal,

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Speaker 3: but like other crimes from Mexico or Venezuela, six hundred

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Speaker 3: know where they are. What kind of who does that? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's self destructive, it's it's horrible because we won't get

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Speaker 4: get many invitations to dinner parties. Oh you invited, mister

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Speaker 4: annoying reality. Oh good is the Left raises money from

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Speaker 4: soft heads, in my opinion, with their no human being

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Speaker 4: is illegal, bill bridges not walls, nonsense. And the right

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Speaker 4: raises money on boot them all out, seal the borders,

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Speaker 4: and to say we're going to craft a guest worker

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Speaker 4: program that's going to let one point one million people

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Speaker 4: in temporarily, we'll keep tracking them, blah blah blah, we're

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Speaker 3: That's just you can't raise money on that. It's too complicated.

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Speaker 4: The devil is in the details, and there's always plenty

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Speaker 3: In the discussion. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to be discouraging, but as long as

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Speaker 4: to work out stuff like this.

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Speaker 3: I'm just appalled by the idea. I've always cringed when

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Speaker 3: makes me cringe. You cannot be a strong, functioning, successful

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Speaker 3: and have no appetite can't have marijuana, when the intention

439
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Speaker 3: of most of those people all along was to legalize

440
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Speaker 3: recreational use of marijuana. But they had the cover of

441
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Speaker 3: the oh so, cancer victims can't patients can't have marijuana.

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Speaker 3: That's what I wonder, what's going on here? You know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think some of it may be premeditated. I

444
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Speaker 4: think a lot of it's just naives in this case.

445
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Speaker 4: But draw your own conclusions. Certainly, so lawmakers thought that

446
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Speaker 4: they were imposing limits. The Justice Minister at the time said,

447
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Speaker 4: and I quote, we do not wish to promote premature

448
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Speaker 4: death as a allusion to all medical suffering. And the

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Speaker 4: plaintiffs lead lawyer in that case said, quote, in almost

450
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Speaker 4: every case, doctors will want to keep help keep their

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Speaker 4: patients staying alive, not die. We know physicians will be

452
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Speaker 4: reluctant gatekeepers. But it turns out that the Supreme Court

453
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Speaker 4: of Quebec ruled shortly after the original law was passed

454
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Speaker 4: that it was unconstitutional because some of the wordings said

455
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Speaker 4: that an applicant's death from a quote grievous and irremediable

456
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Speaker 4: medical condition must be reasonably foreseeable. And they said, well,

457
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Speaker 4: that's a little vague or it just doesn't work in practice.

458
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Speaker 4: So Parliament amended that, opening wider the door to facilitate

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Speaker 4: a death. The new law dropped some of the safeguards,

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Speaker 4: such as the minimum ten day assessment period between request

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Speaker 4: and provision. They say it also proposed mental illness as

462
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Speaker 4: an eligible condition, the implementation of which the government delayed

463
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Speaker 4: for a few years. But the message for everyone else

464
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Speaker 4: remain the same. If you want to die, you needn't wait.

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Speaker 4: And the numbers are astounding. Assistant suicide is now at

466
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Speaker 4: least the fifth leading cause of death in Canada.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

468
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Speaker 4: Wortage to thirteen thousand plus lives in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: They have fleeting cause of death. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Keeping in mind that I don't think I'm wrong that

471
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Speaker 4: Canada's population is less than that of California, Right.

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Speaker 3: It's about the same. Yeah, it's thirty some million. Yeah,

473
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Speaker 3: it's very very small country for the geographic size of it.

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Speaker 4: Now the government believed doctors wouldn't merely rubber stamp applications.

475
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Speaker 4: Yet in twenty twenty two, more than eighty one percent

476
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Speaker 4: of petitions resulted in deaths, including for a vision slash,

477
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Speaker 4: hearing loss, and diabetes. He documents that the percentage of

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Speaker 4: denied requests has been falling from years, from eight percent

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Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen to three and a half percent two

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Speaker 4: years ago, even as the number of applications has increased.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just too much of a libertarian on this

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Speaker 3: for some people. But if if somebody goes blind and

483
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Speaker 3: they say, I don't want to live the rest of

484
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Speaker 3: my life blind, I'd rather be dead, I don't understand

485
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Speaker 3: the government's role in telling them they can't.

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Speaker 4: I would agree, absolutely agree. Here's the part that really

487
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Speaker 4: really bothers me. I think that's a bad decision. I

488
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Speaker 4: think there'd be plenty of ways to find a way

489
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Speaker 4: to have a very rich, enjoyable life while blind, for instance,

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Speaker 4: or a number of other things. And I think your

491
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Speaker 4: kids would like to have you around. But I'm just

492
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Speaker 4: saying I don't know the government gets to step in

493
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Speaker 4: and say no, we don't think so, we think you

494
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Speaker 4: should keep going.

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Speaker 3: I would agree.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a perfect case of I would argue

497
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Speaker 4: vehemently or compassionately against that as your solution, but I

498
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Speaker 4: recognize your right to do it nonetheless. But there's the

499
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Speaker 4: case of this gentleman, Roger Foley, who suffers from a

500
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Speaker 4: degenerative neurological disorder, and as his condition worsened, he resigned

501
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Speaker 4: from his job. After several years in home care in

502
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Speaker 4: which he says he was mistreated, he was placed in

503
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Speaker 4: a mental health board. He said, I became extremely suicidal.

504
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Speaker 4: After he shared those thoughts with staff, they began to

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Speaker 4: float the idea of euthanasia. That alarmed him, so he

506
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Speaker 4: began to record the conversation secretly. He later shared them

507
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Speaker 4: with Canadian journalists. In one, a hospital ethicist threatens mister

508
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Speaker 4: Foley with denial of insurance coverage and said they would

509
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Speaker 4: cost him north of fifteen hundred dollars a day to

510
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Speaker 4: stay in the hospital. When mister Foley protested, the ethicist retorted, Roger,

511
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Speaker 4: this is not my show. My piece of this was

512
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Speaker 4: to talk to you about if you had any interest

513
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Speaker 4: in assisted dying, and he didn't. Then the person tried

514
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Speaker 4: to argue him into it, and then what there is

515
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Speaker 4: well and then there's the and I've been hearing this

516
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Speaker 4: argument against it for a very very long time. Once

517
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Speaker 4: you open this door, there will be pressure from insurance companies.

518
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Speaker 4: There will be pressure from relatives who might want to

519
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Speaker 4: inherit your money or they might be paying the bill,

520
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Speaker 4: and God bless them if you are being ruined financially

521
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Speaker 4: providing end of life care to someone who is going

522
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Speaker 4: to die.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it makes you a monster to not well,

524
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Speaker 3: to not want it to happen today as opposed to

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Speaker 3: next Wednesday. If the difference is like one hundred and

526
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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars.

527
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Speaker 4: Right, right, So the concern is, and it's borne out

528
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Speaker 4: by the Canadian experience. When you open the door to this,

529
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Speaker 4: the worst impulses of humanity run wild.

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Speaker 3: That argument gets my attention definitely, because that not only

531
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Speaker 3: could happen, guaranteed to happen, guaranteed to happen, And then

532
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Speaker 3: you're in and having been a guy, so I had

533
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Speaker 3: cancer and was in treatment for nine months chemotherapy and radiation,

534
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Speaker 3: and I had to I at least thought about this some.

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Speaker 3: You know, jeez, if it goes wrong, what going to

536
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Speaker 3: be like at the end, How miserable do I want

537
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Speaker 3: to be? I'm miserable right now. So I didn't think

538
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Speaker 3: about it a lot, but I thought about it some.

539
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Speaker 3: But if if i'm if I'm headed down the road

540
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Speaker 3: of miser First of all, you're on so many drugs.

541
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Speaker 3: I couldn't even think that clearly as it was a

542
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Speaker 3: lot of times, let alone end of life sort of drugs.

543
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Speaker 3: You're in no situation to to to have presence of

544
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Speaker 3: mind even make a decision from a chemical standpoint, let

545
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Speaker 3: alone the emotions. Then you got family members who might

546
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Speaker 3: not like you, who want you to die because they're

547
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Speaker 3: gonna get sure would like to get that inheritance before

548
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Speaker 3: summer so I can get my boat. You're gonna tell

549
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Speaker 3: me that's not gonna happen. Of course that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah. And there's an interesting principle. I'm sure there's

551
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 4: a probably a Latin word for this. It's the reason

552
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: prostitution is illegal. It's to keep it at a certain level.

553
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: There is no real intention to stomp it out, stamp

554
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: it out completely. It would take way too much time

555
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: and money. But if something is illegal, it's like speed limits.

556
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Speaker 4: Nobody expects you to actually go sixty five, but it

557
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: keeps people from going on and ten. The reality, and

558
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Speaker 4: I have this unfairly good authority in the United States,

559
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Speaker 4: is that there are plenty of doctors who, convinced of

560
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Speaker 4: your sincerity and sober mindedness at the end, might not

561
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Speaker 4: stand in the way of certain things happening that would

562
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Speaker 4: end your life, perhaps pharmaceutically, for instance, And maybe that's

563
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Speaker 4: the way it ought to be.

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Speaker 3: Man, this is a tough one then. So my stated

565
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Speaker 3: thought is the government has no business whatsoever deciding whether

566
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Speaker 3: or not I want to be alive or not. Zero.

567
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Speaker 3: But you get just the other side of that, and

568
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: you're right into the insurance stuff and everything else. Right,

569
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Speaker 3: Maybe the.

570
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Speaker 4: Best situation is it's only done when it's clearly the

571
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Speaker 4: right thing, and everybody keeps their mouth shut.

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Speaker 3: I personally, and this is probably easy to say when

573
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Speaker 3: I'm not in horrible pain end of my life, but

574
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Speaker 3: I personally would like to have the full human experience

575
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Speaker 3: of having it happened naturally. Whatever that.

576
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Speaker 4: If I say, doc, I have a list of people

577
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Speaker 4: I'd like to take with me, how does that send?

578
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Speaker 3: Armstrong?

579
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Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

580
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Speaker 3: So I was talking to a babysitter I was interviewing

581
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Speaker 3: yesterday and we got into this topic. This is not

582
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Speaker 3: anything we haven't discussed before, we haven't thought about. She

583
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: was a political science major, so we got into a

584
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Speaker 3: little bit of a conversation about that. I just was asking,

585
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Speaker 3: do you think things will ever go back to where

586
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: this isn't everybody's life all the time following politics constantly

587
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: and pendulum or continuum. That sort of stuff kind of interesting.

588
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Speaker 3: But I said, you know, you're you're young, so you

589
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: don't know this. But people didn't used to talk about

590
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Speaker 3: politics all the time. In fact, we almost never talked

591
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Speaker 3: about it. I said, you know, when I none of

592
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: my and I hadn't thought about it because she's in college.

593
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Speaker 3: All my friends in college, I don't have the slightest

594
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Speaker 3: idea what their politics were. The slightest idea never came up.

595
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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't tell you now, people that I

596
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: hung out with all the time what their politics were

597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: old beer were our politics? And she looked at me

598
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Speaker 3: like I was crazy. She said, wow, I said, in girlfriends,

599
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of all the girlfriends I had in college.

600
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Speaker 3: I don't have any idea what their politics were or

601
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Speaker 3: their parents. And she said that's crazy. She said, that's

602
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Speaker 3: the first question you ask somebody when you meet them. Now,

603
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Speaker 3: the first question. Wow, And we both couldn't believe each

604
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: other's life experience around this. I have no idea what

605
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Speaker 3: any of my girlfriend's political positions were because we never

606
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Speaker 3: discussed it. And who cares? And who cares?

607
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Speaker 4: I like it when you when we spay and spend

608
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Speaker 4: time together and talk one thing you do.

609
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Speaker 3: I love when you do that. But I don't care

610
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Speaker 3: whether you're public democrat. That's perverse.

611
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely perverse, and it speaks to a couple of.

612
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Speaker 3: A handful of things. They can't be good.

613
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Speaker 4: Well, there are books written about this stuff, but it's

614
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Speaker 4: the omnipresence of government in our lives, in the decay

615
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Speaker 4: of our other social institutions that gave our lives meaning

616
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Speaker 4: and a sense of belongingness.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I was thinking, okay, so that's fine if

618
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Speaker 3: you're a lefty, and the first question is always you

619
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Speaker 3: know what, who do you vote for? What's your politics?

620
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Speaker 3: Because you can, you know, be out and proud and

621
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Speaker 3: whoever the girl you're talking to, I'm thinking about myself

622
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Speaker 3: as a guy. The girl you're talking to is almost

623
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: the same as you guaranteed. But what if you're not,

624
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: you either have to lie or not date anybody or

625
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Speaker 3: have any friends. I guess that is correct, Yes, absolutely correct.

626
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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, you know to that end, we don't have

627
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: much time, but I can squeeze this. In recent polling

628
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 4: shows the married men are fifty nine to thirty nine

629
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: Republican fifty nine to thirty nine. Married women are fifty

630
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 4: six to forty two. Republican. Unmarried men are fifty two

631
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Speaker 4: to forty five. Republican unmarried women are sixty eight thirty one.

632
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: Democrat.

633
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Speaker 4: The Democratic Party has become the party of unmarried women,

634
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Speaker 4: and to some extent, either low T males or those

635
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Speaker 4: who are just so desperate to have a woman that

636
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: they pretend to be Democrats. I don't know, but that's shocking.

637
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: So Taylor Swift's endorsement, for instance, how could that be

638
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: a surprise to anyone that's like her entire constituency.

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Speaker 3: Oh and it's worth also mentioning.

640
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Speaker 4: The New York Post had an interesting piece the other

641
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Speaker 4: day pointing that over the last eight years, especially the

642
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: last eight years, women have become much much more left

643
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 4: wing than they were. It's not just that they're left,

644
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Speaker 4: they're way more left.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and getty