Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Chuck here on a lovely Saturday morning. Cut
Speaker 1: my cup of hot tea. I'm looking out the window
Speaker 1: at a blue sky. The birds are chirping. It's all
Speaker 1: gets as far as your select mind goes. And today
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about droughts because California is in
Speaker 1: the midst of a bad one. And we talked about
Speaker 1: that and more in this episode How Droughts Work. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles
Speaker 1: W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry the chairs there making copies
Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. That was a
Speaker 1: classic skit, wouldn't you say? And that one of the
Speaker 1: only ones I liked by that guy by Rob Schneider.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the biggest fan. Uh did you see the
Speaker 1: one We're Stinging? He's like staying stingling ling ding ding
Speaker 1: making copies. Yeah, it was funny. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: anti Rob Schneider, but I just wasn't like, how could
Speaker 1: you be anti Rob Schneider? Honestly, nobody. It's like being
Speaker 1: mad at like a friendly horse or something. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's stupid friendly horse. Yeah, I hate his guts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh what a weird intro. Yeah, well, par for the
Speaker 1: course pretty much. My friend. Well, although his career has
Speaker 1: dried up. Oh that was good and vicious. Man. I
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't listen before we get into the whole
Speaker 1: drying up reference. Chuck, we are long, long, long overdue
Speaker 1: for giving a huge shout out to our Kiva team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Uh several years ago, it feels like many
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Speaker 1: fifty three members as as of July thirty one. Um,
Speaker 1: how much have we loaned so far. Are you ready
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Speaker 1: put in some sort of drum roll effect or at
Speaker 1: Wilhelm scream or something like that. All right, Okay, that's nice,
Speaker 1: that's very good. Here we go. Three million, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty one thousand, twenty five dollars. Dude, that is crazy. Yep.
Speaker 1: And that's out of a hundred and seventeen thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine loans, which is a total of
Speaker 1: thirteen point nine loans per member. I don't know how
Speaker 1: people are doing like nine tenths of a loan, but
Speaker 1: that's impressive in and of itself. Yeah. So what that
Speaker 1: means is people get repaid and they just kind of
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Speaker 1: So thanks to Glenn and Sonia as always for nudging
Speaker 1: us in the right direction and keeping up with the stats.
Speaker 1: Big help and um and congratulations to our team on
Speaker 1: getting the three point to five million dollars and change
Speaker 1: and loans. Absolutely. Okay, So droughts, huh, Rob Snyder VA.
Speaker 1: Droughts the natural progression of things. Don't forget sting was
Speaker 1: in there. Um, all right, let's talk droughts their serious thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's uh, it's it's natural disaster is what
Speaker 1: it is. It is. Although so Robert Lamb wrote this
Speaker 1: article that that forms the basis of this in part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Robert of stuff to blow your mind, Award winning stuff
Speaker 1: to blow your mind. Yeah, yeah, they wanted to ward. Congratulations. Um,
Speaker 1: the heat points out that droughts are fairly natural. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of debate over whether climate change exacerbates droughts UM.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, droughts are natural. They're seasonal,
Speaker 1: they're temporal, they come and go, or in some cases
Speaker 1: they just stay. And then you got a desert and
Speaker 1: it's it becomes a natural disaster when you apply human
Speaker 1: city to it, kind of like do you remember those
Speaker 1: overhead projectors, and they would have transparencies, so there could
Speaker 1: be like different they could overlay stuff, so so you
Speaker 1: have drought transparency and it's just whatever. But then you
Speaker 1: overlay humanity on it, and then it becomes a natural disaster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty good point actually, when
Speaker 1: that Robert made um in and of itself. If there
Speaker 1: were no humans, that would be a drought um. The
Speaker 1: land would dry up in certain regions, Animals would leave
Speaker 1: because there's no water, but it's like who cares, you're
Speaker 1: not humans. Vegetation would die or the few animals that
Speaker 1: could stay would stay, and the few plants that could
Speaker 1: still grow would grow, and then that would just be
Speaker 1: the new ecosystem, right, and then no big whoop. Potentially,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't permanent, it would shift back and the
Speaker 1: life would come back to the area. But again humans,
Speaker 1: like you said, wouldn't give a big whoop if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for humans living everywhere, growing crops everywhere, and using
Speaker 1: tons and tons of water mostly to grow those crops.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about this again and again, but UM,
Speaker 1: what I saw the most recent stead I came across
Speaker 1: of the global supply of fresh water is used to
Speaker 1: irrigate crops, and that only half is reused, is captured
Speaker 1: and reused, so that means we lose a lot of
Speaker 1: water to agriculture, and and agriculture is kind of leaky,
Speaker 1: you could put it that way. Um, And the fact
Speaker 1: that we try to grow crops everywhere and use a
Speaker 1: bunch of the fresh water creates this kind of vicious
Speaker 1: cycle that exacerbates droughts or at the very least, UM
Speaker 1: makes our reliance on a climate to not be droughty
Speaker 1: really really, um, really important. I just put a lot
Speaker 1: of words together and their scents in there somewhere makes
Speaker 1: total sense. Like, just go back and listen to that
Speaker 1: last sense a few times, everybody, They will finally come through. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is serious business, though, and very sad and devastating.
Speaker 1: Between fifty and a hundred thousand people. Uh, died in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven in East Africa with their drought. And
Speaker 1: right here in the US we have suffered through uh
Speaker 1: some pretty rough drought here in the last fifty years. Um.
Speaker 1: In two thousand twelve they said it was the worst
Speaker 1: conditions in fifty years in corn production. Uh you put
Speaker 1: a dent in corn production, that's gonna put a dent
Speaker 1: in the world markets. Well, yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: America runs on corn. Well in the world, condonuts, it's
Speaker 1: even dunkndonuts have corn in them. The world to a
Speaker 1: certain degree runs on America's corn too. Yep, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah. And when um, something like corn,
Speaker 1: as we'll see, agriculture gets hit by drought obviously, and
Speaker 1: when it gets hit by drought, because of the globalized
Speaker 1: marketplace that we live in today, when food prices go up,
Speaker 1: some of the poorer country t get priced out of
Speaker 1: the market and they see things like food riots and
Speaker 1: starvation and all sorts of bad stuff. So droughts have
Speaker 1: like terrible effects. It's a snowball effect. And it seems
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't know if it's getting worse
Speaker 1: and if it is getting worse, worse, if it's anthropogenic
Speaker 1: or whatever, but there, Okay. Texas. In two thousand and eleven,
Speaker 1: Texas had the driest year since eight, which happened to
Speaker 1: be the year it started recording this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: so it's it's the driest year on record for Texas.
Speaker 1: Two thirteen, California had the driest year on record thanks
Speaker 1: to the ridiculously resilient ridge UM, and Australia went through
Speaker 1: what's called the Millennium drought from two thousand nine. They
Speaker 1: had a terrible drop. They actually, like some places like
Speaker 1: Melbourne actually um figured out how to live in drought conditions,
Speaker 1: to survive and actually keep going pretty well. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people are studying what Melbourne did because they
Speaker 1: did it so well. That's because Australians are resourceful and
Speaker 1: smart people, very resourceful, you know, but not smart and smart. Okay,
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying anything. I'm just kidding, rubbing my eye.
Speaker 1: I got distracted. So uh well, we even here in
Speaker 1: Georgia we had a pretty wicked drought. Remember two or
Speaker 1: three years ago, do you remember the governor like lead
Speaker 1: a prayer circle praying for rain and it rained? Did
Speaker 1: it rain? It did rain? And uh I don't remember
Speaker 1: that part. Now. It rained, and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of hullabaloo because they were like, well he led the
Speaker 1: prayer circle on the day where they called for like
Speaker 1: nine ye did it rain? Wow? They were praying because
Speaker 1: that would be kind of cool, That would be kind
Speaker 1: of cool. I don't think that's what happened though, Um,
Speaker 1: but I do remember that. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that praying for rain. Do your rain dance. There was
Speaker 1: talk of war between Georgia and Tennessee, and Tennessee said
Speaker 1: we have guns. Yeah, And Georgia said we have guns.
Speaker 1: We have guns too, yeah. And there's a tense standoff,
Speaker 1: and we left and went to New York City where
Speaker 1: there are no guy, we had something on the books already. Uh.
Speaker 1: So let's talk to the basics of drought. Um. Drought
Speaker 1: is obviously when it doesn't rain enough to sustain uh
Speaker 1: the ecosystem like it should. It's basically you're losing water
Speaker 1: through evaporation, which is when water vaporizes or transporation, when
Speaker 1: water moves you know, through the soil and through the
Speaker 1: plants and then leaves and it's not so useful to us, right,
Speaker 1: So you're losing water faster, faster than it's being replenished. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a drought. And again this is this is
Speaker 1: all viewed through the lens of humanity. Like water isn't
Speaker 1: lost when it goes through the soil, so it is
Speaker 1: to us until we get it out of an aquifer
Speaker 1: that's being replenished. UM. But it's not necessarily lost unless
Speaker 1: you really look at it through the human lens. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there are many, many factors that go into whether
Speaker 1: or not a drought occurs and how long it lasts. UM.
Speaker 1: Here are a few immediate causes. One is high pressure zones. UM.
Speaker 1: Sinking error means you get a high pressure zone, which
Speaker 1: means you have clear skies and warmer temperatures. And if
Speaker 1: that stalls over a region, then um, more water is
Speaker 1: going to evaporate. So that's gonna exacerbate the problem. That's
Speaker 1: like the ridiculously resilient ridge over California. UM. From I
Speaker 1: think two, it was just this high pressure zone that
Speaker 1: just said I'm sticking around here for a while. And
Speaker 1: not only was it did it lead to like high
Speaker 1: temperatures and low humidity because it's a high pressure zone. UM,
Speaker 1: it also blocked tropical cyclones that normally are brought to
Speaker 1: California by the westerlies. It just shot him up toward
Speaker 1: the Arctic or down towards Mexico and California for two
Speaker 1: different reasons, didn't get precipitation, and it's still in a
Speaker 1: pickle as a result. Well, usually when you have a
Speaker 1: prolonged drought, you can point to a number of factors,
Speaker 1: like the ironically a perfect storm that causes no storm.
Speaker 1: Another reason is um air pollution. UH. There's a decade
Speaker 1: long study completed I think in two thousand thirteen UM
Speaker 1: from the University of Maryland go terps UH and they
Speaker 1: found that air air particulate, which is pollution dusts at
Speaker 1: sulfates um produces more UH intense storms in wet areas,
Speaker 1: or it leads to more intense storms and wet areas
Speaker 1: and reduces rain and drier areas. So basically just again
Speaker 1: exacerbates whatever is normally going on there. It creates weather extremes,
Speaker 1: creates weather extremes. It's a great way to say it.
Speaker 1: That's weird though, because so particulate matter. Yeah, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure this out, so the they don't know. The
Speaker 1: mechanism is uncertain at this point, So there is no answer.
Speaker 1: If that was your question, I'm abandoning figuring it out. Then. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then here in the southeast one causes wind blowing
Speaker 1: inward from the ocean is usually good thing because that
Speaker 1: brings in from the Atlantic on the eastern seaboard, brings
Speaker 1: in warm, humid temperatures and uh in the summertime, and
Speaker 1: if they shift or weekend, then they're going to bring
Speaker 1: in less moisture and less rainfall. And I think that
Speaker 1: is what happened. It was a wind shift. And uh,
Speaker 1: whenever it was we had our drought, when was that
Speaker 1: was that? It may have been something like that around then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was fairly severe. Um. I just remember
Speaker 1: all the lakes were way down and they I don't
Speaker 1: think we got to the point where they were had
Speaker 1: forced rationing, but they were advising everyone and asking everyone
Speaker 1: to be better stewards. It was a big deal. Everybody
Speaker 1: was really nervous. I think that the lake where Atlantic
Speaker 1: gets his fresh waters down like twelve feet or something
Speaker 1: like that. It there was serious stuff. Um. Did you
Speaker 1: you talked about like like changes in um in different
Speaker 1: areas from did you did you mentioned lno Nino? Do
Speaker 1: you remember that Chris Farley when he was El Nino
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. It's like, I am El Nino,
Speaker 1: which means the Nino in Spanish, so you know what
Speaker 1: that is. I sort of remember that. There's a documentary
Speaker 1: on about him now, which I'm eager to see. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't checked out. I forgot about that. I want
Speaker 1: to see that as well. Um, so El Nino is
Speaker 1: actually um named for little baby Jesus. Did you know that?
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah. Back in the sixteen hundred,
Speaker 1: Spanish fishermen um off the coast of Mexico UM named
Speaker 1: it El Nino because it was this weird arrival of
Speaker 1: really warm water in December in the winter months. So
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, obviously it's the Christ Child. So
Speaker 1: then aimed at El Nino. And that is when there's
Speaker 1: warmer than average water temperatures in the tropics around like
Speaker 1: basically off the coast of Mexico, right, and those warm
Speaker 1: the air and create wetter than average conditions in some
Speaker 1: parts of the US and other parts of the world,
Speaker 1: and drier than average conditions in the other parts. And
Speaker 1: then there's the reverse of that, La Nina. That's right,
Speaker 1: and that's colder than average temperatures. So those places that
Speaker 1: normally get wetter than normal and drier than normal or
Speaker 1: flip flopped. But either way you get extreme weather events
Speaker 1: like floods and droughts from this. And they aren't exactly
Speaker 1: certain what creates this, just that they're pretty sure it's natural. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: actually they do have a decent idea. Um, in two
Speaker 1: thousand three, something happened, which the same thing happened in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties when we suffered a pretty bad drought
Speaker 1: in the US. Uh, there were there are two ocean
Speaker 1: cycles that basically flip flopped, the Pacific Decadal oscillation and
Speaker 1: the Atlantic multi decadal oscillation. And these things flip back
Speaker 1: and forth basically over time, and they cause either more
Speaker 1: rain or less rain. And the p d O is
Speaker 1: what causes the shift in those surface ocean temperatures. So
Speaker 1: what what causes the shift the Pacific decatal oscillation? Okay,
Speaker 1: so but what caused these things to flip flop? Well,
Speaker 1: they just flip flop periodically over over time. Basically, UM,
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. They're like something makes those things
Speaker 1: flip flop. Well yeah, maybe, so, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to answers. Some people probably say
Speaker 1: that's just the cycle of nature. I guess, so that's
Speaker 1: a cop out. But they say that every twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty years, Uh, this is going to happen. And when
Speaker 1: you combine them with with other factors, is it basically
Speaker 1: gives everything a boost. Is and that's what creates al
Speaker 1: nine or n Yeah, that's what they think. It's more
Speaker 1: like it works in concert with Elena and Lennia. So
Speaker 1: these things have happened at the same time, which is
Speaker 1: the reason California is in such a droute right now.
Speaker 1: So you have the warrn p d O plus Lenno
Speaker 1: means it's going to be wetter and cooler. Uh p
Speaker 1: d O plus Lninia equals dryer and uh Laninia is
Speaker 1: influenced by the trade winds basically blowing on top of
Speaker 1: the water. I think you already said that. You're right.
Speaker 1: It just like circulates that water and the deep water
Speaker 1: comes up to the surface. Chili, Yeah, from chili or
Speaker 1: it's chili water chili water, so um, chuck. There's different
Speaker 1: categories or people love to categorize stuff, right and um,
Speaker 1: there's actually different categories of the categories for droughts. I
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of interest, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a brain buster. But um, you can kind of subdivide
Speaker 1: the categories for droughts into um, geographical or seasonal descriptions
Speaker 1: and then descriptions of drought severity. Right, So with a
Speaker 1: geographical or seasonal description, it's kind of like, here's an area,
Speaker 1: and this is the kind of drought conditions you can expect.
Speaker 1: So there is a permanent drout, which is basically what
Speaker 1: you think of with the desert. It's a place that
Speaker 1: gets a minimal amount of precipitation and it never catches
Speaker 1: up to the amount of evaporation or transporation. That's right, right,
Speaker 1: So that's just it's just always dry there. Permanent drought.
Speaker 1: It's an arid climate air climate. Uh. And then next
Speaker 1: you have seasonal drought, which is like a drought comes
Speaker 1: dry conditions come on a predictable UM calendar. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the dry season or the wet season in the country. Uh,
Speaker 1: those two are pretty standard. Um, no big surprises there.
Speaker 1: But the next couple, Um, you almost said no big
Speaker 1: whoop again almost did you saw that? My mouth went?
Speaker 1: Unpredictable drought is when there are irregular dry spells where
Speaker 1: it's usually humid or rainy, um and then invisible drought.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of that. I think that's fascinating. That's
Speaker 1: when it is raining and you think, how can we
Speaker 1: be in a drought because it's raining, It just means
Speaker 1: it's it's too hot probably and it's not raining enough
Speaker 1: because too much evaporation and transpirations going on, so it's
Speaker 1: invisible to the naked eye. It's like being skinny fat
Speaker 1: to where you like you'r thin on the outside, but
Speaker 1: your liver's got a ton of fat all over it. Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna talk about the people that have
Speaker 1: like really thin faces, but from the nick down they
Speaker 1: have weight. No, I hate those people. Oh chuck, you're
Speaker 1: going to get some mail for that now. I hate
Speaker 1: those people. I'm jealous of those people because I have
Speaker 1: a big, fat face. Like there's no picture I can say.
Speaker 1: I could show my legs or my arms, and people say,
Speaker 1: what a thin guy. You know, I think you look great,
Speaker 1: but everything from my nose to my waist gives me away.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I canna start posting pictures of
Speaker 1: my legs in my arms, like Danny DeVito. He always
Speaker 1: does the troll foot that has still have a nice, small,
Speaker 1: tiny butt too. We've all noticed. I'm gonna take pictures
Speaker 1: of that. It's the talk of the office. Um, everyone's
Speaker 1: pictures of yourself. Everyone's body is fine. I'm not body shaming,
Speaker 1: all right, that's good. What I'm saying is I'm jealous
Speaker 1: of people with thin faces. I got you, all right,
Speaker 1: So we got we got one category down, which describes
Speaker 1: like a region in area, although invisible drought doesn't really
Speaker 1: fit into that. But what als Okay? Um, the next
Speaker 1: group of categories, um man, I sound like we're we're
Speaker 1: using an overhead projector this is this dry? It's appropriately
Speaker 1: dry for the drought episode. Well, you have to go
Speaker 1: through these, you know, it's part of it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the other these these categories make sense to me. They
Speaker 1: described like the severity of a drought, right, and you
Speaker 1: can pretty much go from one to the other and
Speaker 1: it makes sense. So like a meteorological drought, it basically
Speaker 1: says that you know, this week, well, this this time
Speaker 1: last year, we had about an inch and a half
Speaker 1: more rain than we got this year so far. No
Speaker 1: big whoop, no big whoop. Yeah. Basically, my brother in law,
Speaker 1: also named Josh, would notice this kind of thing because
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a weather bug. Yeah that
Speaker 1: I like weather bugs. Okay, well you would like Josh,
Speaker 1: and he's one of the few things a few people
Speaker 1: besides like maybe a meteorologist who would notice this, which
Speaker 1: is why it's called the meteorological trought. That's right, Like
Speaker 1: you would have to be really paying attention to even
Speaker 1: notice this. That's right. Okay, that's stage one. Yes. Stage
Speaker 1: two is an agricultural drought, and that is when you're
Speaker 1: talking about crops, and agriculture is going to be one
Speaker 1: of the first industries parts of the world affected by
Speaker 1: drought obviously, so this is when farmers are starting to notice.
Speaker 1: You might hear a news blurb or two if there
Speaker 1: had been drought in the news, but it still hasn't
Speaker 1: Like you're not walking around the streets talking about it yet. No,
Speaker 1: just farmers and Josh are speaking to one another about
Speaker 1: the drought. That's right. What's next, Josh, the hydrological drought.
Speaker 1: This is when like we start to notice, and that's
Speaker 1: when you're like, hey, man, I went to my lake
Speaker 1: house this weekend and it's all ugly. Yeah, like clay
Speaker 1: red muddy junk. Everywhere. I can see the submerged buildings.
Speaker 1: The underwater cities are visible, like in lakelan near You
Speaker 1: know there's a town down there. Oh yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: didn't know that. I don't think. So there is a
Speaker 1: town down there. And when Lake Laner gets low enough
Speaker 1: you can see it. You can see a Gulf seventies
Speaker 1: six sign sticking up out of the lake. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the old like ball one that's orange with the
Speaker 1: blue seventy. What was the town m like some part
Speaker 1: of Buford or something. I guess yea. Interesting. You didn't
Speaker 1: know there's a town in under lakelan Ear No, I
Speaker 1: didn't didn't that Creepsville about creepy. It's creepy. I think
Speaker 1: it's cool. I mean if there were people living down
Speaker 1: there with gills, that would be creepy. So the point is, Chuck,
Speaker 1: that we notice the people with skills. Notice if everybody
Speaker 1: starts to notice the hydrological drought, it's like the talk
Speaker 1: of town um. And then the next step is where
Speaker 1: it gets really really bad socioeconomic drought. This is when
Speaker 1: the government tends to step in and say you who
Speaker 1: have odd number um, addresses can water on Tuesday's Thursdays.
Speaker 1: Those of you with even addresses can water on Monday Wednesdays,
Speaker 1: or it can flip flop. It depends on your local government. True,
Speaker 1: isn't that set in stone, right? But the point is is, Um,
Speaker 1: there are now restrictions taking place, There are now things
Speaker 1: being enforced. The people are are being asked to cut back,
Speaker 1: and and the reason why it's because there you're we're
Speaker 1: seeing a real effect like through the economy. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Robert points out, something I've never really thought of, a
Speaker 1: tourism of course, is gonna dry up it with the
Speaker 1: water in some places, uh, food shortages, UM shipping maybe affected,
Speaker 1: uh imports and exports, and in less developed parts of
Speaker 1: the world that can be really bad. Here in the
Speaker 1: US it may just mean socio economic annoyance, but in
Speaker 1: other parts of the world it could lead to political
Speaker 1: unrest and armed conflict and panic and disease and like
Speaker 1: really really bad stuff. Right, So that's socio economic drought,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's take a break and let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about other effects of drought in the dust
Speaker 1: bowl right after this, So Chuck, we kind of just
Speaker 1: gave some overview of like how drought works or how
Speaker 1: bad it can get. That's right, So what causes this?
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about whether being a factor. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot we can do with that. You know,
Speaker 1: we have we have our how weather modification works episode
Speaker 1: that we did and a TV show based on that too,
Speaker 1: a TV episode, UM, but not everybody agrees that, say,
Speaker 1: like cloud seating works. Some people say it really really works,
Speaker 1: other people say it doesn't really work. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about cloud seating a couple of times. I think it's
Speaker 1: been used, um to affect during wartime to wash out
Speaker 1: trails supposedly, Yeah, and Vietnam. Right, that's what they say,
Speaker 1: But why, I don't know. Everyone's not convinced. So when
Speaker 1: it comes to things like El Nino or law Nina,
Speaker 1: as it stands now, at our primitive technological place in
Speaker 1: human history, there's not much we can do about that. Um.
Speaker 1: The most we can hope to do is really kind
Speaker 1: of figure out what causes drought in other ways and
Speaker 1: if see if we can do anything about that. And
Speaker 1: the UM person in the hot seat or the thing
Speaker 1: in the hot seat, as far as that goes right
Speaker 1: now is climate change, and there's a big debate over
Speaker 1: UM whether we can do anything about drought conditions through
Speaker 1: climate change and all that has to do with CEO
Speaker 1: two supposedly. Yeah, Well, between the last five decades, between
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty and two thousand, worthy warmest in six hundred
Speaker 1: years in the United States temperature wise, and UM, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I think that's globally, but in the US and the Southwest,
Speaker 1: they are predicting a rise UM as much as nine
Speaker 1: degrees by the year on UM, and that is accompanied
Speaker 1: by the two degree to degree one point four degree
Speaker 1: rise over the past one years. So what they think
Speaker 1: is that as more and more c O two enters
Speaker 1: the atmosphere, this rise in temperature that it creates from
Speaker 1: this greenhouse effect UM will actually create drought like conditions.
Speaker 1: And one of the ways that it will create drought
Speaker 1: like conditions is by creating high pressure areas which remember
Speaker 1: don't have UM a lot of humidity. They have high temperatures,
Speaker 1: they're dry conditions, and they also UM simultaneously. UM this
Speaker 1: denser air and dense air above it, right, or warmer
Speaker 1: air above it prevents the air below it from rising, right,
Speaker 1: because that's how winds and and UM currents air currents
Speaker 1: are formed. Warm air near the tropics rises and replaces
Speaker 1: the cooler air to create this cycle. Right, that's right. Well,
Speaker 1: if the air above it is equally warm, the air
Speaker 1: below can't rise. And when you have a lot of
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, that air in the middle
Speaker 1: I think in the mesosphere um stays warm. So you've
Speaker 1: got a big chunk of the atmosphere just hanging out
Speaker 1: around the your surface. And when the upwelling doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: you don't have the upwelling action. That also creates thunderstorms
Speaker 1: and generates large amounts of torrential rain, which really helps
Speaker 1: things when you have droughts. So they think, and this
Speaker 1: is all just a conjecture at this point, but that's
Speaker 1: the big explanation for how climate change can lead to
Speaker 1: drought like conditions, and that if we can reduce the
Speaker 1: amount of C O two in the atmosphere, we can
Speaker 1: conceivably reverse those drought like conditions. Well, and don't they
Speaker 1: think that climate changes in general causes more severe everything
Speaker 1: like your storms and stream flooding and ah, so I
Speaker 1: mean it's definitely something to consider. Yeah, sure, try to
Speaker 1: tiptoe around this one because there is a debate not really. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's basically fraudulent. Whether there's a debate over whether climate
Speaker 1: change is real. The climate change is real, like almost
Speaker 1: all scientific consensus is the debate that it's a human
Speaker 1: cost or not, and whether we can do anything about
Speaker 1: it or is there no debate about any of that. No,
Speaker 1: there's debate still, but it's not real debate, Like the
Speaker 1: scientific community is generally in in agreement that there is
Speaker 1: climate change and that it is a real problem. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the consensus is on whether we
Speaker 1: could do anything about it. I think probably most people
Speaker 1: would say we should at least try. It's worth trying. Sure,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you Well, a lot of people say that
Speaker 1: you shouldn't because it will affect like it'll have her
Speaker 1: economic progress, or say, for example, like China, Um, say
Speaker 1: the US is like, oh, hey, we're laying off of
Speaker 1: greenhouse gas emitting stuff and we're getting a little greener.
Speaker 1: You guys should too, And China would say, well, you
Speaker 1: guys kind of got to this point by spitting a
Speaker 1: ton of C O two into the atmosphere. It's China's time,
Speaker 1: GHO sit over there and be as green as you want,
Speaker 1: leave us alone. There's a lot of political land mines
Speaker 1: to two trapes around um in in getting everybody on
Speaker 1: board to reducing the climate footprint or the carbon footprint
Speaker 1: of humanity. Yeah. What what to me is when you see,
Speaker 1: usually on social media, when someone said, you know, in
Speaker 1: the wintertime, like the coldest winner seen in years. You know,
Speaker 1: so much for global warning, warming, warning, warming, a warning?
Speaker 1: How about that? Maybe they should change the name is
Speaker 1: Fred slip. Uh. But there's a great video that Neil
Speaker 1: de grass Tyson does. Um. You can find it on
Speaker 1: YouTube about the difference between weather and climate because those
Speaker 1: are two entirely different things. And he does this little
Speaker 1: thing on the beach with a dog. That's great, and
Speaker 1: that Neil the grass Tyson way with his shirt mostly
Speaker 1: on button Well he's on the beach of course. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's got on his clam diggers, you know, his Hawaiian
Speaker 1: shirts unbuttoned. And he is a cool cat. He is
Speaker 1: a cool cat. But he um, yeah, he explains it
Speaker 1: very simply, the difference between weather and climate. So before
Speaker 1: you go say something dumb like it's super cold on
Speaker 1: in June so there's no global warming, just go watch
Speaker 1: that video. Yeah, that's my recommendation. And uh, I want
Speaker 1: to recommend a book called Merchants of Doubt right now
Speaker 1: I'm reading and it's about how, um, the tobacco industry,
Speaker 1: climate change, TONI all, all this stuff, um is largely
Speaker 1: the result of pr Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: very interesting book actually, and I think there's a documentary
Speaker 1: based on it that just came out to If you
Speaker 1: don't like reading, who does? Um Robert points out to
Speaker 1: in this article, Uh, predicting drought isn't really something you
Speaker 1: can do necessarily. Um. You can predict seasonal droughts a
Speaker 1: month or so out, and you can, I guess you
Speaker 1: can predict certain conditions that like right now they're saying
Speaker 1: that California is probably in trouble for the next twenty
Speaker 1: to thirty years. Like, I don't think they see an
Speaker 1: end in sight because of the various climate factors going on.
Speaker 1: It's not like, I mean, any rain would help, But
Speaker 1: it's not like a rainy few weeks here and there
Speaker 1: is going to do make much of an impact, right,
Speaker 1: It's pretty scary out there. Well, that's one reason why
Speaker 1: they're studying, for example, Melbourne, Australia or Melbourne Victoria, Australia.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how you say it properly, um,
Speaker 1: but under this drought, this millennium drought, Melbourne dropped their
Speaker 1: water usage by like under drought conditions, and they did
Speaker 1: it through like local recycling programs. Apparently one really effective
Speaker 1: program was electronic billboards that said, like the shared reservoir
Speaker 1: is at like of capacity right now. Like here's what
Speaker 1: don't forget what's gonna happen if we all run out
Speaker 1: of water, so like recycle your water, use gray water
Speaker 1: to water your plants, that kind of stuff, um, and
Speaker 1: it worked really really well. They should just do dumb
Speaker 1: in photographics for Americans as like the water getting lower
Speaker 1: and then like dead people at the bottom. Here's where
Speaker 1: we're headed. Does it make sense to you now, person
Speaker 1: watering your lawn and be like Los Angeles, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dead people in our reservoir are buried at
Speaker 1: the bottom. I think I two read a little bit
Speaker 1: about the l A drought or Southern California in general,
Speaker 1: that they're they're not making enough headway with their conservation
Speaker 1: measures right now, like it's not putty much of a
Speaker 1: dent into it, Like their public campaigns yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: selfish people still watering their stuff. Well, it's the law
Speaker 1: of the comments. Like supposedly any shared resource people are
Speaker 1: just like, let everybody else can serve. I'll be I'll
Speaker 1: be fine. Just give me everything I need. This little
Speaker 1: bit doesn't make a difference. Yeah, And they were this
Speaker 1: this article, I think it was a Scientific American article.
Speaker 1: I was reading about Melbourne being so successful. One of
Speaker 1: the ways they were being so successful was taking this
Speaker 1: shared resource, this reservoir, and saying, like, all of us
Speaker 1: share this, and it's down to this level. So are
Speaker 1: you going to be the jerk who like makes a
Speaker 1: drop even more by taking more than your fair share? Um,
Speaker 1: don't be the jerk. That should be their campaign, right.
Speaker 1: One of the problems is this California isn't just have
Speaker 1: a just a single shared reservoir. They get their water
Speaker 1: from a number of different sources. Yeah. Um, so that's
Speaker 1: kind of that. That would be tough to like hit
Speaker 1: that same note with California. Yeah, but as goes California,
Speaker 1: as goes the US economies, I think. Uh, some estimates
Speaker 1: say California is the eighth largest economy in the world.
Speaker 1: The state of California. Oh yeah, so I've heard that before,
Speaker 1: dire consequences potentially. So let's take one more break, Chuck,
Speaker 1: and then when we come back, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about dire consequences. Indeed from the nineteen thirties in the
Speaker 1: United States, that's ka the dust Bowl. So I teased
Speaker 1: the dust Bowl in the beginning, and then we didn't
Speaker 1: get to it. But now we're getting to This is
Speaker 1: just like TV. And I became a little uh oh,
Speaker 1: I know, just keeping people on the hook. I became
Speaker 1: super interested when I was in Oklahoma recently went to
Speaker 1: the Woody Guthrie Museum in Tulsa, which is great, by
Speaker 1: the way, and they had a whole section on the
Speaker 1: dust Bowl. And I didn't know much about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew generally it was a drought uh in dusty,
Speaker 1: but I hadn't looked into it too much. And since
Speaker 1: then I've studied on it some and watched the great
Speaker 1: Ken Burns documentary on the dust Bowl. It was very good.
Speaker 1: You know those parts of that um appear in uh Interstellar.
Speaker 1: Oh really were their clips of that? Yeah? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I couldn't they play it like it's people really like Interstellar? No,
Speaker 1: not really Oh I love that movie. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was such a great movie. You really
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I had a lot of problems with it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. My My biggest problem with it was, uh,
Speaker 1: just just do the let the viewer figure out the movie.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like every ten minutes, somebody was explaining something,
Speaker 1: same guy, same problem. I don't think so man didn't
Speaker 1: run into that. You know how much I hated that
Speaker 1: part in an inception. When you watch Interstellar again, just
Speaker 1: make a little note anytime someone explains what's going on,
Speaker 1: and you'll have like twenty times written down on your
Speaker 1: little note back. I guess I didn't. It didn't bother
Speaker 1: me in this one bother me. And it's not like
Speaker 1: I have anything against Ellen Page in particular. Oh sure
Speaker 1: you do. You you're a juno hater, says something to
Speaker 1: do with Ellen Page. No, I'm just joking anyway. I know.
Speaker 1: I just for some reason, it didn't stick out to
Speaker 1: me in Oristellar. I just thoroughly enjoyed that movie. Well good,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did. I want to reign on your
Speaker 1: parade anyway. That parts of the Ken Burns documentary show
Speaker 1: up in interstellar, but it's great just on its own. UM.
Speaker 1: And the reason we bring up the dust bowl is
Speaker 1: because it's actually it's larger than just a drought. People
Speaker 1: tend to think of it as a drought, but it's
Speaker 1: actually um one of the one of the It demonstrates
Speaker 1: things you can do to prevent drought from becoming the
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, which is exactly what happened with the
Speaker 1: dust ball. Yeah, it was. It was one of the
Speaker 1: worst natural disasters in the United States history, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was just one natural disaster compounding another and
Speaker 1: another and another. And what happened actually starts in the
Speaker 1: nineteenth century when America was undergoing its westward expansion and UM,
Speaker 1: the US government passed the Homestead Acts, and these um
Speaker 1: gave land grants to Western settlers, UM who wanted to
Speaker 1: set up farms of between a hundred and sixty and
Speaker 1: then later on three twenty acres, which sounds like a lot,
Speaker 1: but they're actually not when you start thinking about these
Speaker 1: massive states like Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas and all of
Speaker 1: US UM. And so what happened was eventually these plaine states,
Speaker 1: the semi arid grassland was carved up into a huge
Speaker 1: patchwork of smaller farms, and um, people started farming and
Speaker 1: things started going really well. The land became productive very quickly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and at first things, um, they were farming somewhat sustainably.
Speaker 1: You know, they still had grasses and still had cattle
Speaker 1: grazing on these grasses, which is all good stuff. And
Speaker 1: these are these are native grasses that were dry resistant already.
Speaker 1: They were acclimated to this again semi arid climate. That's right.
Speaker 1: So let's flash forward, or fast forward a bit, um
Speaker 1: to post World War One in the nineteen twenties. Um,
Speaker 1: there was a recession and farmers all of a sudden said,
Speaker 1: you know what, we can get these new machines and
Speaker 1: use these new mechanized farming techniques to try and make
Speaker 1: more money and turn some of this grass into wheat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, if you if you have like a
Speaker 1: ho right and you're just hacking away at this semi
Speaker 1: ara ground, you're gonna be like, I've got acres, but
Speaker 1: I'm just going to farm twenty of them because this
Speaker 1: is a work, you know. Um, But if you can
Speaker 1: go buy a plow and some oxen and the later
Speaker 1: on a tractor to drag those plows. Um, you can
Speaker 1: turn all three twenty acres into productive crop land. And
Speaker 1: so they overproduced wheat. Yeah, there was a there was
Speaker 1: a bumper crop year in where so many farmers bought
Speaker 1: so many plows and used these mechanized methods of farming
Speaker 1: that there's a bumper crop of wheat, so much so
Speaker 1: that the price of wheat plummeted. And it just so
Speaker 1: happened that there was a recession, like you said, at
Speaker 1: the same time, So there was an oversupply of wheat
Speaker 1: and an under demand for it because everybody's that's right,
Speaker 1: and so everybody said, well, what do you do. You
Speaker 1: just plant more wheat, plant more wheat. Yeah, basically expand
Speaker 1: your farms so to try and turn a profit. And
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, all these drought resistant grasses
Speaker 1: were no more. Uh, there was wheat everywhere. And apparently
Speaker 1: wheat does not jibe Um, that quantity of wheat doesn't
Speaker 1: jibe with the natural landscape. Uh. In the soil became
Speaker 1: dusty and dry, and uh you couple that with a
Speaker 1: drought which hit hard over the period of like three
Speaker 1: years and high winds and everything blew away. Yes, so
Speaker 1: a hundred million acres of top soil ended up blowing
Speaker 1: away like just blew away. It wasn't there any longer.
Speaker 1: All that was left was the rocky subsoil like blue
Speaker 1: to the east coast. Yes, Um, some of it blew
Speaker 1: to California depending on where the winds blew. Some blew
Speaker 1: all the way to Washington, d C. Which actually proved
Speaker 1: to be fortuitous because that got Congress's attention. And um,
Speaker 1: these things were called black blizzards. And there's man, you've
Speaker 1: seen the footage. It's just amazing when these huge, towering
Speaker 1: clouds of black dust were just coming towards these what
Speaker 1: looked like these tiny little miniature houses. Um, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look real, No, it doesn't. But this really happened on
Speaker 1: the Great Plains in the thirties. Yeah, we're talking a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand square miles over Oklahoma are parts
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico. And the
Speaker 1: drought itself was from thirty four to thirty seven and
Speaker 1: sixty percent, sixty percent of the population left. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of them moved to California. California wasn't very happy.
Speaker 1: A lot of them left their farms and we're just broke. Basically,
Speaker 1: they were um like the first generation to find themselves
Speaker 1: underwater because a lot of them again remember like there
Speaker 1: was this this drive UM to make more money by
Speaker 1: producing more wheat, even though there was an over abundance
Speaker 1: of wheat UM. So they really over leveraged themselves by
Speaker 1: borrowing more for farm equipment and farm hands and farm
Speaker 1: supplies and UM. When the bottom fell out on the
Speaker 1: wheat market, they were over extended and their homes and
Speaker 1: farms got four closed on. So they, like all these
Speaker 1: people who were just at one like just a little
Speaker 1: while back, we're farming middle class people were now like
Speaker 1: um homeless and on um root sixty six and basically
Speaker 1: doing the grapes of wrath thing. Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 1: you said, a lot of them moved west, uh and
Speaker 1: I think you said that California was not so happy
Speaker 1: with that. About ten percent of them ended up in California,
Speaker 1: and um, it was not a great time for the
Speaker 1: country as a whole. So they they didn't want all
Speaker 1: these new people they call them Oaky's even though about
Speaker 1: we're from Oklahoma. They didn't want them coming in there
Speaker 1: trying to get their jobs. Uh, and it was it
Speaker 1: was bad news all the way around in California. So
Speaker 1: UM in actually, what's a pretty good, pretty good example
Speaker 1: of the federal government doing something really really right. Um.
Speaker 1: They stepped in, actually FDR stepped in with the New
Speaker 1: Deal UM and created a lot of measures that tried
Speaker 1: to alleviate the worst effects of the dust Bowl. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that they did really really well
Speaker 1: was create the Soil Conservation Service. Yeah. That was a
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five and basically strict instructions to farmers to
Speaker 1: uh plant grass, plant trees, how to plow, how to terrace, um,
Speaker 1: how to hold rain water, how to portion off your
Speaker 1: farmland um. And not just grow wheat over every square
Speaker 1: inch of it, right, Yeah, leave some land to be
Speaker 1: fallow and regenerate after um one year of production or
Speaker 1: a couple of years of production. UM. And one of
Speaker 1: the other big pushes that's still going on these days
Speaker 1: is no till arming. One of the big problems that
Speaker 1: they that they did with with by knocking out these
Speaker 1: these grasslands was first they got rid of the native
Speaker 1: grasses that were good at holding the top soil in place.
Speaker 1: But then they actually tilled the top soil and loosened
Speaker 1: the whole structure of everything, so it was easy to
Speaker 1: blow away when these strong winds came in. UM. And
Speaker 1: apparently top soil takes something like I've seen in a
Speaker 1: few places five hundred years to produce one inch of
Speaker 1: new top soil. So once it blew away, it wasn't
Speaker 1: coming back. UM. And I'm not quite sure how they've
Speaker 1: replenished it since then. I mean, I know that these
Speaker 1: soil conservation measures are helping, but I mean, is it
Speaker 1: just grassland that's growing on subsoil still for the next
Speaker 1: couple hundred years. I don't know. You know what, I
Speaker 1: know that somebody out there knows that, though well, please
Speaker 1: some farmer. I do know that they said by the
Speaker 1: early nineteen forties much of that land had been rehabilitated. UM.
Speaker 1: And not only did the from its step in and
Speaker 1: still install install a lot of new laws and measures,
Speaker 1: but they also bought a lot of land UM to
Speaker 1: take it out of production. Yeah, about eleven million acres
Speaker 1: just to you know, keep it grassy and stable. UM.
Speaker 1: And the new deal brought it wasn't just the Soil
Speaker 1: Conservation Service UM. The we won't get into all these,
Speaker 1: but the works progress administration was created. Uh, the I
Speaker 1: think the SCS is now the Natural Resources Conservation Service. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they just you know, they really stepped in and said,
Speaker 1: we can't let this happen again, even though in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties there was another bad drought. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: the measure that, yeah, I remember in the seventies, that's
Speaker 1: why we have skateboarding. Oh yeah, that's right. I mean
Speaker 1: not completely, but it's when they went to the swimming
Speaker 1: pools because they were empty in California. But thanks to
Speaker 1: those measures, things in the fifties and seventies didn't reach
Speaker 1: the levels that they did in and UM, I read
Speaker 1: this really great article called Rethinking the US Bowl and
Speaker 1: I can't remember where it's from, but it's posted on
Speaker 1: the podcast page for this episode on our site. UM
Speaker 1: and it was basically saying like this was a really
Speaker 1: good example of the government stepping in taking really good measures. Um,
Speaker 1: because ultimately what created the dust bowl was parceling out
Speaker 1: the Great Plains into these small farms. If you're a
Speaker 1: small farmer, taking soil conservation measures is not economically beneficial
Speaker 1: to you. You're not gonna see a lot of the benefits.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be very expensive, right, And if
Speaker 1: you're just a small farmer, it doesn't matter. Your farm
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But if you put a bunch of small
Speaker 1: farms together and no one's taking soil conservation measures, then
Speaker 1: what you have, as far as from an ecological standpoint,
Speaker 1: is one gigantic farm with no soil conservation measures. And
Speaker 1: that's what set up the Great Planes for the Desk Bowl.
Speaker 1: Federal government came in and said, you guys are small farmers.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be big farmers, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: put a bunch of you together to form what's called
Speaker 1: the Soil concert Vation District, and we're going to say,
Speaker 1: if you plant these trees for wind breaks and you
Speaker 1: do these other soil conservation techniques, we're going to subsidize
Speaker 1: your farms. And it worked really well, and a lot
Speaker 1: of small farmers got these subsidies, and the Great Planes
Speaker 1: was saved. Hooray. Right, But then the same article is
Speaker 1: like this is also a really good example of how
Speaker 1: the federal government doesn't work because as smaller and smaller
Speaker 1: farms were bought by bigger and bigger farms and consolidated
Speaker 1: into like big Agra, these subsidies are still available for
Speaker 1: these farms and farming companies that would have carried out
Speaker 1: these measures anyway, because they would directly benefit from the
Speaker 1: money that they put into it. They're still getting government
Speaker 1: subsidies from it. So it was like it worked really
Speaker 1: well at first. Now it's not working anymore. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of a waste of money. They should have had
Speaker 1: a stipulation in there though, that like farms of certain
Speaker 1: size or something I don't know, should have, should have,
Speaker 1: could have, would have. I found that really interesting. I
Speaker 1: can tell really get why you suggested this dust Bowl
Speaker 1: drought episode. Yeah, it's a good stuff. We've had a
Speaker 1: lot of um asks for this one lately. So have
Speaker 1: you got anything else? No, sir, Well, if you want
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Speaker 1: on the wing um, some have specialized to flutter slowly
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