WEBVTT - Selects: How Droughts Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Chuck here on a lovely Saturday morning. Cut

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<v Speaker 1>my cup of hot tea. I'm looking out the window

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<v Speaker 1>at a blue sky. The birds are chirping. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>gets as far as your select mind goes. And today

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about droughts because California is in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of a bad one. And we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that and more in this episode How Droughts Work. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles

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<v Speaker 1>W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry the chairs there making copies

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<v Speaker 1>and this is stuff you should know. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>classic skit, wouldn't you say? And that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only ones I liked by that guy by Rob Schneider.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the biggest fan. Uh did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>one We're Stinging? He's like staying stingling ling ding ding

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<v Speaker 1>making copies. Yeah, it was funny. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>anti Rob Schneider, but I just wasn't like, how could

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<v Speaker 1>you be anti Rob Schneider? Honestly, nobody. It's like being

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<v Speaker 1>mad at like a friendly horse or something. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's stupid friendly horse. Yeah, I hate his guts. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh what a weird intro. Yeah, well, par for the

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<v Speaker 1>course pretty much. My friend. Well, although his career has

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<v Speaker 1>dried up. Oh that was good and vicious. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope he doesn't listen before we get into the whole

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<v Speaker 1>drying up reference. Chuck, we are long, long, long overdue

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<v Speaker 1>for giving a huge shout out to our Kiva team. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Uh several years ago, it feels like many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, we did a podcast on micro lending and

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<v Speaker 1>we said, hey, let's start a Kiva team. Kiva is

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<v Speaker 1>a international lending organization micro lending where they pair you

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<v Speaker 1>with people. Actually they it's all over the world. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you need money on a small basis, you loan them

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<v Speaker 1>the money. You can get paid back and pull your

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<v Speaker 1>money back out, or you can reloan it. And we

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<v Speaker 1>have a very active team. And let's hear some numbers. Okay, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>our team captain Glenn of Glenn and Sonya team captain

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<v Speaker 1>Fame sent us some stats recently. We have the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know. Team has eight thousand, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three members as as of July thirty one. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>how much have we loaned so far. Are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this? We need a drum roll, Jerry. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>put in some sort of drum roll effect or at

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<v Speaker 1>Wilhelm scream or something like that. All right, Okay, that's nice,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very good. Here we go. Three million, two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty one thousand, twenty five dollars. Dude, that is crazy. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's out of a hundred and seventeen thousand, five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty nine loans, which is a total of

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen point nine loans per member. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing like nine tenths of a loan, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's impressive in and of itself. Yeah. So what that

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<v Speaker 1>means is people get repaid and they just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do what I think we do is just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>roll that into another loan. Yeah, you relan it. They

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<v Speaker 1>make great gifts. I think at least one person sent

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<v Speaker 1>you to Kiva gift card to congratulate you and Emily

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<v Speaker 1>on Ruby Rose. That's right, And that's always a nice

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can do at holiday times or birthdays. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>It's whenever it's not too late to join, like we're

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<v Speaker 1>not like, oh, you're new to the team, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very supportive, great team and again, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>very active. You can go to kiva dot org slash

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<v Speaker 1>teams I believe it's plural slash stuff you should know,

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<v Speaker 1>or just search stuff you should know on kiva dot

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<v Speaker 1>org and we'll bring up our team and you can

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<v Speaker 1>join and be embraced by our teammates. That's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks to Glenn and Sonia as always for nudging

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<v Speaker 1>us in the right direction and keeping up with the stats.

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<v Speaker 1>Big help and um and congratulations to our team on

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<v Speaker 1>getting the three point to five million dollars and change

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<v Speaker 1>and loans. Absolutely. Okay, So droughts, huh, Rob Snyder VA.

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<v Speaker 1>Droughts the natural progression of things. Don't forget sting was

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Um, all right, let's talk droughts their serious thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's uh, it's it's natural disaster is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is. Although so Robert Lamb wrote this

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<v Speaker 1>article that that forms the basis of this in part. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert of stuff to blow your mind, Award winning stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to blow your mind. Yeah, yeah, they wanted to ward. Congratulations. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the heat points out that droughts are fairly natural. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of debate over whether climate change exacerbates droughts UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, droughts are natural. They're seasonal,

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<v Speaker 1>they're temporal, they come and go, or in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>they just stay. And then you got a desert and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it becomes a natural disaster when you apply human

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<v Speaker 1>city to it, kind of like do you remember those

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<v Speaker 1>overhead projectors, and they would have transparencies, so there could

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<v Speaker 1>be like different they could overlay stuff, so so you

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<v Speaker 1>have drought transparency and it's just whatever. But then you

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<v Speaker 1>overlay humanity on it, and then it becomes a natural disaster. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a pretty good point actually, when

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<v Speaker 1>that Robert made um in and of itself. If there

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<v Speaker 1>were no humans, that would be a drought um. The

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<v Speaker 1>land would dry up in certain regions, Animals would leave

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no water, but it's like who cares, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not humans. Vegetation would die or the few animals that

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<v Speaker 1>could stay would stay, and the few plants that could

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<v Speaker 1>still grow would grow, and then that would just be

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<v Speaker 1>the new ecosystem, right, and then no big whoop. Potentially,

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<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't permanent, it would shift back and the

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<v Speaker 1>life would come back to the area. But again humans,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, wouldn't give a big whoop if it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for humans living everywhere, growing crops everywhere, and using

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<v Speaker 1>tons and tons of water mostly to grow those crops.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've talked about this again and again, but UM,

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw the most recent stead I came across

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<v Speaker 1>of the global supply of fresh water is used to

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<v Speaker 1>irrigate crops, and that only half is reused, is captured

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<v Speaker 1>and reused, so that means we lose a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>water to agriculture, and and agriculture is kind of leaky,

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<v Speaker 1>you could put it that way. Um, And the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we try to grow crops everywhere and use a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of the fresh water creates this kind of vicious

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<v Speaker 1>cycle that exacerbates droughts or at the very least, UM

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<v Speaker 1>makes our reliance on a climate to not be droughty

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<v Speaker 1>really really, um, really important. I just put a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of words together and their scents in there somewhere makes

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<v Speaker 1>total sense. Like, just go back and listen to that

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<v Speaker 1>last sense a few times, everybody, They will finally come through. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is serious business, though, and very sad and devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Between fifty and a hundred thousand people. Uh, died in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven in East Africa with their drought. And

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<v Speaker 1>right here in the US we have suffered through uh

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty rough drought here in the last fifty years. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand twelve they said it was the worst

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<v Speaker 1>conditions in fifty years in corn production. Uh you put

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<v Speaker 1>a dent in corn production, that's gonna put a dent

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<v Speaker 1>in the world markets. Well, yeah, it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>America runs on corn. Well in the world, condonuts, it's

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<v Speaker 1>even dunkndonuts have corn in them. The world to a

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<v Speaker 1>certain degree runs on America's corn too. Yep, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Yeah. And when um, something like corn,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll see, agriculture gets hit by drought obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>when it gets hit by drought, because of the globalized

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<v Speaker 1>marketplace that we live in today, when food prices go up,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the poorer country t get priced out of

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<v Speaker 1>the market and they see things like food riots and

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<v Speaker 1>starvation and all sorts of bad stuff. So droughts have

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<v Speaker 1>like terrible effects. It's a snowball effect. And it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't I don't know if it's getting worse

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<v Speaker 1>and if it is getting worse, worse, if it's anthropogenic

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but there, Okay. Texas. In two thousand and eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas had the driest year since eight, which happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be the year it started recording this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's the driest year on record for Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thirteen, California had the driest year on record thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the ridiculously resilient ridge UM, and Australia went through

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<v Speaker 1>what's called the Millennium drought from two thousand nine. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a terrible drop. They actually, like some places like

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne actually um figured out how to live in drought conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>to survive and actually keep going pretty well. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are studying what Melbourne did because they

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<v Speaker 1>did it so well. That's because Australians are resourceful and

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<v Speaker 1>smart people, very resourceful, you know, but not smart and smart. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't saying anything. I'm just kidding, rubbing my eye.

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<v Speaker 1>I got distracted. So uh well, we even here in

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia we had a pretty wicked drought. Remember two or

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago, do you remember the governor like lead

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<v Speaker 1>a prayer circle praying for rain and it rained? Did

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<v Speaker 1>it rain? It did rain? And uh I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>that part. Now. It rained, and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hullabaloo because they were like, well he led the

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<v Speaker 1>prayer circle on the day where they called for like

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<v Speaker 1>nine ye did it rain? Wow? They were praying because

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<v Speaker 1>that would be kind of cool, That would be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool. I don't think that's what happened though, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do remember that. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>that praying for rain. Do your rain dance. There was

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<v Speaker 1>talk of war between Georgia and Tennessee, and Tennessee said

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<v Speaker 1>we have guns. Yeah, And Georgia said we have guns.

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<v Speaker 1>We have guns too, yeah. And there's a tense standoff,

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<v Speaker 1>and we left and went to New York City where

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<v Speaker 1>there are no guy, we had something on the books already. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk to the basics of drought. Um. Drought

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously when it doesn't rain enough to sustain uh

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<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem like it should. It's basically you're losing water

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<v Speaker 1>through evaporation, which is when water vaporizes or transporation, when

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<v Speaker 1>water moves you know, through the soil and through the

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<v Speaker 1>plants and then leaves and it's not so useful to us, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're losing water faster, faster than it's being replenished. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a drought. And again this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>all viewed through the lens of humanity. Like water isn't

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<v Speaker 1>lost when it goes through the soil, so it is

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<v Speaker 1>to us until we get it out of an aquifer

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<v Speaker 1>that's being replenished. UM. But it's not necessarily lost unless

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<v Speaker 1>you really look at it through the human lens. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are many, many factors that go into whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not a drought occurs and how long it lasts. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are a few immediate causes. One is high pressure zones. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Sinking error means you get a high pressure zone, which

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<v Speaker 1>means you have clear skies and warmer temperatures. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that stalls over a region, then um, more water is

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<v Speaker 1>going to evaporate. So that's gonna exacerbate the problem. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like the ridiculously resilient ridge over California. UM. From I

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<v Speaker 1>think two, it was just this high pressure zone that

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<v Speaker 1>just said I'm sticking around here for a while. And

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<v Speaker 1>not only was it did it lead to like high

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures and low humidity because it's a high pressure zone. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it also blocked tropical cyclones that normally are brought to

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<v Speaker 1>California by the westerlies. It just shot him up toward

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic or down towards Mexico and California for two

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<v Speaker 1>different reasons, didn't get precipitation, and it's still in a

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<v Speaker 1>pickle as a result. Well, usually when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>prolonged drought, you can point to a number of factors,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ironically a perfect storm that causes no storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Another reason is um air pollution. UH. There's a decade

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<v Speaker 1>long study completed I think in two thousand thirteen UM

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Maryland go terps UH and they

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<v Speaker 1>found that air air particulate, which is pollution dusts at

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<v Speaker 1>sulfates um produces more UH intense storms in wet areas,

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<v Speaker 1>or it leads to more intense storms and wet areas

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<v Speaker 1>and reduces rain and drier areas. So basically just again

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbates whatever is normally going on there. It creates weather extremes,

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<v Speaker 1>creates weather extremes. It's a great way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird though, because so particulate matter. Yeah, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure this out, so the they don't know. The

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism is uncertain at this point, So there is no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>If that was your question, I'm abandoning figuring it out. Then. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then here in the southeast one causes wind blowing

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<v Speaker 1>inward from the ocean is usually good thing because that

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<v Speaker 1>brings in from the Atlantic on the eastern seaboard, brings

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<v Speaker 1>in warm, humid temperatures and uh in the summertime, and

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<v Speaker 1>if they shift or weekend, then they're going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in less moisture and less rainfall. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>is what happened. It was a wind shift. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever it was we had our drought, when was that

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<v Speaker 1>was that? It may have been something like that around then. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was fairly severe. Um. I just remember

0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.640
<v Speaker 1>all the lakes were way down and they I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we got to the point where they were had

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<v Speaker 1>forced rationing, but they were advising everyone and asking everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to be better stewards. It was a big deal. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was really nervous. I think that the lake where Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>gets his fresh waters down like twelve feet or something

0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:05.600
<v Speaker 1>like that. It there was serious stuff. Um. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>you talked about like like changes in um in different

0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.960
<v Speaker 1>areas from did you did you mentioned lno Nino? Do

0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you remember that Chris Farley when he was El Nino

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<v Speaker 1>back in the nineties. It's like, I am El Nino,

0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.400
<v Speaker 1>which means the Nino in Spanish, so you know what

0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that is. I sort of remember that. There's a documentary

0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.200
<v Speaker 1>on about him now, which I'm eager to see. Oh yeah,

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I haven't checked out. I forgot about that. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see that as well. Um, so El Nino is

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<v Speaker 1>actually um named for little baby Jesus. Did you know that?

0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I did not know that. Yeah. Back in the sixteen hundred,

0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Spanish fishermen um off the coast of Mexico UM named

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<v Speaker 1>it El Nino because it was this weird arrival of

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<v Speaker 1>really warm water in December in the winter months. So

0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, well, obviously it's the Christ Child. So

0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.880
<v Speaker 1>then aimed at El Nino. And that is when there's

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<v Speaker 1>warmer than average water temperatures in the tropics around like

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<v Speaker 1>basically off the coast of Mexico, right, and those warm

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<v Speaker 1>the air and create wetter than average conditions in some

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the US and other parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and drier than average conditions in the other parts. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's the reverse of that, La Nina. That's right,

0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.360
<v Speaker 1>and that's colder than average temperatures. So those places that

0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.840
<v Speaker 1>normally get wetter than normal and drier than normal or

0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.880
<v Speaker 1>flip flopped. But either way you get extreme weather events

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<v Speaker 1>like floods and droughts from this. And they aren't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>certain what creates this, just that they're pretty sure it's natural. Yeah, well,

0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.080
<v Speaker 1>actually they do have a decent idea. Um, in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand three, something happened, which the same thing happened in

0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties when we suffered a pretty bad drought

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. Uh, there were there are two ocean

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<v Speaker 1>cycles that basically flip flopped, the Pacific Decadal oscillation and

0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic multi decadal oscillation. And these things flip back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth basically over time, and they cause either more

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<v Speaker 1>rain or less rain. And the p d O is

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<v Speaker 1>what causes the shift in those surface ocean temperatures. So

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<v Speaker 1>what what causes the shift the Pacific decatal oscillation? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so but what caused these things to flip flop? Well,

0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.880
<v Speaker 1>they just flip flop periodically over over time. Basically, UM,

0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't buy that. They're like something makes those things

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<v Speaker 1>flip flop. Well yeah, maybe, so, I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I want to answers. Some people probably say

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<v Speaker 1>that's just the cycle of nature. I guess, so that's

0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a cop out. But they say that every twenty to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, Uh, this is going to happen. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you combine them with with other factors, is it basically

0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.680
<v Speaker 1>gives everything a boost. Is and that's what creates al

0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 1>nine or n Yeah, that's what they think. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>like it works in concert with Elena and Lennia. So

0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.399
<v Speaker 1>these things have happened at the same time, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the reason California is in such a droute right now.

0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>So you have the warrn p d O plus Lenno

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<v Speaker 1>means it's going to be wetter and cooler. Uh p

0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:22.359
<v Speaker 1>d O plus Lninia equals dryer and uh Laninia is

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by the trade winds basically blowing on top of

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<v Speaker 1>the water. I think you already said that. You're right.

0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.520
<v Speaker 1>It just like circulates that water and the deep water

0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:34.119
<v Speaker 1>comes up to the surface. Chili, Yeah, from chili or

0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it's chili water chili water, so um, chuck. There's different

0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:44.520
<v Speaker 1>categories or people love to categorize stuff, right and um,

0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.639
<v Speaker 1>there's actually different categories of the categories for droughts. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was kind of interest, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a brain buster. But um, you can kind of subdivide

0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the categories for droughts into um, geographical or seasonal descriptions

0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and then descriptions of drought severity. Right, So with a

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.439
<v Speaker 1>geographical or seasonal description, it's kind of like, here's an area,

0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is the kind of drought conditions you can expect.

0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.439
<v Speaker 1>So there is a permanent drout, which is basically what

0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you think of with the desert. It's a place that

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<v Speaker 1>gets a minimal amount of precipitation and it never catches

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<v Speaker 1>up to the amount of evaporation or transporation. That's right, right,

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's just it's just always dry there. Permanent drought.

0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.360
<v Speaker 1>It's an arid climate air climate. Uh. And then next

0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you have seasonal drought, which is like a drought comes

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>dry conditions come on a predictable UM calendar. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>the dry season or the wet season in the country. Uh,

0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.880
<v Speaker 1>those two are pretty standard. Um, no big surprises there.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next couple, Um, you almost said no big

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<v Speaker 1>whoop again almost did you saw that? My mouth went?

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<v Speaker 1>Unpredictable drought is when there are irregular dry spells where

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually humid or rainy, um and then invisible drought.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never heard of that. I think that's fascinating. That's

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.359
<v Speaker 1>when it is raining and you think, how can we

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.160
<v Speaker 1>be in a drought because it's raining, It just means

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's too hot probably and it's not raining enough

0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.600
<v Speaker 1>because too much evaporation and transpirations going on, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>invisible to the naked eye. It's like being skinny fat

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to where you like you'r thin on the outside, but

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 1>your liver's got a ton of fat all over it. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you're gonna talk about the people that have

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<v Speaker 1>like really thin faces, but from the nick down they

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.800
<v Speaker 1>have weight. No, I hate those people. Oh chuck, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get some mail for that now. I hate

0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 1>those people. I'm jealous of those people because I have

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<v Speaker 1>a big, fat face. Like there's no picture I can say.

0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I could show my legs or my arms, and people say,

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<v Speaker 1>what a thin guy. You know, I think you look great,

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.560
<v Speaker 1>but everything from my nose to my waist gives me away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do that. I canna start posting pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>my legs in my arms, like Danny DeVito. He always

0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>does the troll foot that has still have a nice, small,

0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.439
<v Speaker 1>tiny butt too. We've all noticed. I'm gonna take pictures

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of that. It's the talk of the office. Um, everyone's

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 1>pictures of yourself. Everyone's body is fine. I'm not body shaming,

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's good. What I'm saying is I'm jealous

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 1>of people with thin faces. I got you, all right,

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.960
<v Speaker 1>So we got we got one category down, which describes

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<v Speaker 1>like a region in area, although invisible drought doesn't really

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.960
<v Speaker 1>fit into that. But what als Okay? Um, the next

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:32.360
<v Speaker 1>group of categories, um man, I sound like we're we're

0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 1>using an overhead projector this is this dry? It's appropriately

0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.240
<v Speaker 1>dry for the drought episode. Well, you have to go

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 1>through these, you know, it's part of it. Okay, So

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the other these these categories make sense to me. They

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<v Speaker 1>described like the severity of a drought, right, and you

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.679
<v Speaker 1>can pretty much go from one to the other and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense. So like a meteorological drought, it basically

0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.720
<v Speaker 1>says that you know, this week, well, this this time

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.440
<v Speaker 1>last year, we had about an inch and a half

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.639
<v Speaker 1>more rain than we got this year so far. No

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<v Speaker 1>big whoop, no big whoop. Yeah. Basically, my brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>also named Josh, would notice this kind of thing because

0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a little bit of a weather bug. Yeah that

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I like weather bugs. Okay, well you would like Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's one of the few things a few people

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<v Speaker 1>besides like maybe a meteorologist who would notice this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why it's called the meteorological trought. That's right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to be really paying attention to even

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 1>notice this. That's right. Okay, that's stage one. Yes. Stage

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<v Speaker 1>two is an agricultural drought, and that is when you're

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about crops, and agriculture is going to be one

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 1>of the first industries parts of the world affected by

0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:48.680
<v Speaker 1>drought obviously, so this is when farmers are starting to notice.

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<v Speaker 1>You might hear a news blurb or two if there

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 1>had been drought in the news, but it still hasn't

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Like you're not walking around the streets talking about it yet. No,

0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>just farmers and Josh are speaking to one another about

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the drought. That's right. What's next, Josh, the hydrological drought.

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>This is when like we start to notice, and that's

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>when you're like, hey, man, I went to my lake

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.880
<v Speaker 1>house this weekend and it's all ugly. Yeah, like clay

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.680
<v Speaker 1>red muddy junk. Everywhere. I can see the submerged buildings.

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 1>The underwater cities are visible, like in lakelan near You

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>know there's a town down there. Oh yeah, yeah, you

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that. I don't think. So there is a

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.400
<v Speaker 1>town down there. And when Lake Laner gets low enough

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you can see it. You can see a Gulf seventies

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 1>six sign sticking up out of the lake. Wow. Yeah,

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>like the old like ball one that's orange with the

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<v Speaker 1>blue seventy. What was the town m like some part

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 1>of Buford or something. I guess yea. Interesting. You didn't

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 1>know there's a town in under lakelan Ear No, I

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't didn't that Creepsville about creepy. It's creepy. I think

0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 1>it's cool. I mean if there were people living down

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 1>there with gills, that would be creepy. So the point is, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that we notice the people with skills. Notice if everybody

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 1>starts to notice the hydrological drought, it's like the talk

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of town um. And then the next step is where

0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it gets really really bad socioeconomic drought. This is when

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the government tends to step in and say you who

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>have odd number um, addresses can water on Tuesday's Thursdays.

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Those of you with even addresses can water on Monday Wednesdays,

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>or it can flip flop. It depends on your local government. True,

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>isn't that set in stone, right? But the point is is, Um,

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 1>there are now restrictions taking place, There are now things

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>being enforced. The people are are being asked to cut back,

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and and the reason why it's because there you're we're

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>seeing a real effect like through the economy. Yeah, like

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Robert points out, something I've never really thought of, a

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 1>tourism of course, is gonna dry up it with the

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>water in some places, uh, food shortages, UM shipping maybe affected,

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:02.399
<v Speaker 1>uh imports and exports, and in less developed parts of

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the world that can be really bad. Here in the

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 1>US it may just mean socio economic annoyance, but in

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>other parts of the world it could lead to political

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 1>unrest and armed conflict and panic and disease and like

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 1>really really bad stuff. Right, So that's socio economic drought,

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and uh, let's take a break and let's talk a

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit about other effects of drought in the dust

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>bowl right after this, So Chuck, we kind of just

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>gave some overview of like how drought works or how

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>bad it can get. That's right, So what causes this?

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean we talked about whether being a factor. Obviously,

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot we can do with that. You know,

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>we have we have our how weather modification works episode

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that we did and a TV show based on that too,

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 1>a TV episode, UM, but not everybody agrees that, say,

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>like cloud seating works. Some people say it really really works,

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>other people say it doesn't really work. Yeah, we talked

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>about cloud seating a couple of times. I think it's

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>been used, um to affect during wartime to wash out

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:30.879
<v Speaker 1>trails supposedly, Yeah, and Vietnam. Right, that's what they say,

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.360
<v Speaker 1>But why, I don't know. Everyone's not convinced. So when

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it comes to things like El Nino or law Nina,

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>as it stands now, at our primitive technological place in

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>human history, there's not much we can do about that. Um.

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>The most we can hope to do is really kind

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of figure out what causes drought in other ways and

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>if see if we can do anything about that. And

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the UM person in the hot seat or the thing

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in the hot seat, as far as that goes right

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 1>now is climate change, and there's a big debate over

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>UM whether we can do anything about drought conditions through

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>climate change and all that has to do with CEO

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 1>two supposedly. Yeah, Well, between the last five decades, between

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty and two thousand, worthy warmest in six hundred

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 1>years in the United States temperature wise, and UM, I'm sorry,

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's globally, but in the US and the Southwest,

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<v Speaker 1>they are predicting a rise UM as much as nine

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<v Speaker 1>degrees by the year on UM, and that is accompanied

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>by the two degree to degree one point four degree

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>rise over the past one years. So what they think

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>is that as more and more c O two enters

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere, this rise in temperature that it creates from

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>this greenhouse effect UM will actually create drought like conditions.

0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And one of the ways that it will create drought

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>like conditions is by creating high pressure areas which remember

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have UM a lot of humidity. They have high temperatures,

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>they're dry conditions, and they also UM simultaneously. UM this

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>denser air and dense air above it, right, or warmer

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>air above it prevents the air below it from rising, right,

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 1>because that's how winds and and UM currents air currents

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>are formed. Warm air near the tropics rises and replaces

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the cooler air to create this cycle. Right, that's right. Well,

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>if the air above it is equally warm, the air

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>below can't rise. And when you have a lot of

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, that air in the middle

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I think in the mesosphere um stays warm. So you've

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>got a big chunk of the atmosphere just hanging out

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>around the your surface. And when the upwelling doesn't happen,

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't have the upwelling action. That also creates thunderstorms

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>and generates large amounts of torrential rain, which really helps

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>things when you have droughts. So they think, and this

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>is all just a conjecture at this point, but that's

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the big explanation for how climate change can lead to

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>drought like conditions, and that if we can reduce the

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>amount of C O two in the atmosphere, we can

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 1>conceivably reverse those drought like conditions. Well, and don't they

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>think that climate changes in general causes more severe everything

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like your storms and stream flooding and ah, so I

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>mean it's definitely something to consider. Yeah, sure, try to

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>tiptoe around this one because there is a debate not really. No, No,

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>it's basically fraudulent. Whether there's a debate over whether climate

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>change is real. The climate change is real, like almost

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>all scientific consensus is the debate that it's a human

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>cost or not, and whether we can do anything about

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>it or is there no debate about any of that. No,

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>there's debate still, but it's not real debate, Like the

0:28:54.840 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>scientific community is generally in in agreement that there is

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>climate change and that it is a real problem. Um,

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the consensus is on whether we

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>could do anything about it. I think probably most people

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>would say we should at least try. It's worth trying. Sure,

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't you Well, a lot of people say that

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't because it will affect like it'll have her

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>economic progress, or say, for example, like China, Um, say

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the US is like, oh, hey, we're laying off of

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>greenhouse gas emitting stuff and we're getting a little greener.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>You guys should too, And China would say, well, you

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>guys kind of got to this point by spitting a

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>ton of C O two into the atmosphere. It's China's time,

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>GHO sit over there and be as green as you want,

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>leave us alone. There's a lot of political land mines

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>to two trapes around um in in getting everybody on

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>board to reducing the climate footprint or the carbon footprint

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>of humanity. Yeah. What what to me is when you see,

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>usually on social media, when someone said, you know, in

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the wintertime, like the coldest winner seen in years. You know,

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>so much for global warning, warming, warning, warming, a warning?

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>How about that? Maybe they should change the name is

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Fred slip. Uh. But there's a great video that Neil

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>de grass Tyson does. Um. You can find it on

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>YouTube about the difference between weather and climate because those

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>are two entirely different things. And he does this little

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>thing on the beach with a dog. That's great, and

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>that Neil the grass Tyson way with his shirt mostly

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>on button Well he's on the beach of course. Uh.

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>He's got on his clam diggers, you know, his Hawaiian

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>shirts unbuttoned. And he is a cool cat. He is

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a cool cat. But he um, yeah, he explains it

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>very simply, the difference between weather and climate. So before

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you go say something dumb like it's super cold on

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in June so there's no global warming, just go watch

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that video. Yeah, that's my recommendation. And uh, I want

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to recommend a book called Merchants of Doubt right now

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading and it's about how, um, the tobacco industry,

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>climate change, TONI all, all this stuff, um is largely

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the result of pr Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, it is a

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>very interesting book actually, and I think there's a documentary

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>based on it that just came out to If you

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>don't like reading, who does? Um Robert points out to

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>in this article, Uh, predicting drought isn't really something you

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>can do necessarily. Um. You can predict seasonal droughts a

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>month or so out, and you can, I guess you

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>can predict certain conditions that like right now they're saying

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>that California is probably in trouble for the next twenty

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to thirty years. Like, I don't think they see an

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>end in sight because of the various climate factors going on.

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not like, I mean, any rain would help, But

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not like a rainy few weeks here and there

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>is going to do make much of an impact, right,

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty scary out there. Well, that's one reason why

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>they're studying, for example, Melbourne, Australia or Melbourne Victoria, Australia.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure how you say it properly, um,

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>but under this drought, this millennium drought, Melbourne dropped their

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>water usage by like under drought conditions, and they did

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>it through like local recycling programs. Apparently one really effective

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>program was electronic billboards that said, like the shared reservoir

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>is at like of capacity right now. Like here's what

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>don't forget what's gonna happen if we all run out

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of water, so like recycle your water, use gray water

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to water your plants, that kind of stuff, um, and

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it worked really really well. They should just do dumb

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in photographics for Americans as like the water getting lower

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and then like dead people at the bottom. Here's where

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>we're headed. Does it make sense to you now, person

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>watering your lawn and be like Los Angeles, there's a

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of dead people in our reservoir are buried at

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the bottom. I think I two read a little bit

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>about the l A drought or Southern California in general,

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that they're they're not making enough headway with their conservation

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>measures right now, like it's not putty much of a

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>dent into it, Like their public campaigns yeah. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 1>selfish people still watering their stuff. Well, it's the law

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of the comments. Like supposedly any shared resource people are

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>just like, let everybody else can serve. I'll be I'll

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>be fine. Just give me everything I need. This little

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>bit doesn't make a difference. Yeah, And they were this

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>this article, I think it was a Scientific American article.

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I was reading about Melbourne being so successful. One of

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the ways they were being so successful was taking this

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>shared resource, this reservoir, and saying, like, all of us

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 1>share this, and it's down to this level. So are

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you going to be the jerk who like makes a

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>drop even more by taking more than your fair share? Um,

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>don't be the jerk. That should be their campaign, right.

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>One of the problems is this California isn't just have

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a just a single shared reservoir. They get their water

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>from a number of different sources. Yeah. Um, so that's

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of that. That would be tough to like hit

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that same note with California. Yeah, but as goes California,

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>as goes the US economies, I think. Uh, some estimates

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>say California is the eighth largest economy in the world.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>The state of California. Oh yeah, so I've heard that before,

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>dire consequences potentially. So let's take one more break, Chuck,

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>and then when we come back, we're going to talk

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>about dire consequences. Indeed from the nineteen thirties in the

0:34:37.680 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>United States, that's ka the dust Bowl. So I teased

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 1>the dust Bowl in the beginning, and then we didn't

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>get to it. But now we're getting to This is

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>just like TV. And I became a little uh oh,

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, just keeping people on the hook. I became

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>super interested when I was in Oklahoma recently went to

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the Woody Guthrie Museum in Tulsa, which is great, by

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>the way, and they had a whole section on the

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>dust Bowl. And I didn't know much about it. I mean,

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I knew generally it was a drought uh in dusty,

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but I hadn't looked into it too much. And since

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>then I've studied on it some and watched the great

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Ken Burns documentary on the dust Bowl. It was very good.

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>You know those parts of that um appear in uh Interstellar.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh really were their clips of that? Yeah? I don't remember.

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't they play it like it's people really like Interstellar? No,

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>not really Oh I love that movie. Yeah, I love it.

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was such a great movie. You really

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't like it. I had a lot of problems with it.

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I loved it. My My biggest problem with it was, uh,

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>just just do the let the viewer figure out the movie.

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I felt like every ten minutes, somebody was explaining something,

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>same guy, same problem. I don't think so man didn't

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>run into that. You know how much I hated that

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>part in an inception. When you watch Interstellar again, just

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>make a little note anytime someone explains what's going on,

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and you'll have like twenty times written down on your

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 1>little note back. I guess I didn't. It didn't bother

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>me in this one bother me. And it's not like

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 1>I have anything against Ellen Page in particular. Oh sure

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you do. You you're a juno hater, says something to

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>do with Ellen Page. No, I'm just joking anyway. I know.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I just for some reason, it didn't stick out to

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>me in Oristellar. I just thoroughly enjoyed that movie. Well good,

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you did. I want to reign on your

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>parade anyway. That parts of the Ken Burns documentary show

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 1>up in interstellar, but it's great just on its own. UM.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>And the reason we bring up the dust bowl is

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>because it's actually it's larger than just a drought. People

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>tend to think of it as a drought, but it's

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>actually um one of the one of the It demonstrates

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>things you can do to prevent drought from becoming the

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>worst case scenario, which is exactly what happened with the

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>dust ball. Yeah, it was. It was one of the

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>worst natural disasters in the United States history, for sure. Yeah.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>And it was just one natural disaster compounding another and

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>another and another. And what happened actually starts in the

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century when America was undergoing its westward expansion and UM,

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the US government passed the Homestead Acts, and these um

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>gave land grants to Western settlers, UM who wanted to

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>set up farms of between a hundred and sixty and

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.439
<v Speaker 1>then later on three twenty acres, which sounds like a lot,

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>but they're actually not when you start thinking about these

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>massive states like Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas and all of

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>US UM. And so what happened was eventually these plaine states,

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the semi arid grassland was carved up into a huge

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>patchwork of smaller farms, and um, people started farming and

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>things started going really well. The land became productive very quickly. Yeah.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>And and at first things, um, they were farming somewhat sustainably.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, they still had grasses and still had cattle

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>grazing on these grasses, which is all good stuff. And

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>these are these are native grasses that were dry resistant already.

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>They were acclimated to this again semi arid climate. That's right.

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>So let's flash forward, or fast forward a bit, um

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to post World War One in the nineteen twenties. Um,

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 1>there was a recession and farmers all of a sudden said,

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we can get these new machines and

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 1>use these new mechanized farming techniques to try and make

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>more money and turn some of this grass into wheat. Yeah.

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Because I mean, if you if you have like a

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>ho right and you're just hacking away at this semi

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>ara ground, you're gonna be like, I've got acres, but

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to farm twenty of them because this

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>is a work, you know. Um, But if you can

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>go buy a plow and some oxen and the later

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>on a tractor to drag those plows. Um, you can

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>turn all three twenty acres into productive crop land. And

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>so they overproduced wheat. Yeah, there was a there was

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a bumper crop year in where so many farmers bought

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>so many plows and used these mechanized methods of farming

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that there's a bumper crop of wheat, so much so

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 1>that the price of wheat plummeted. And it just so

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 1>happened that there was a recession, like you said, at

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the same time, So there was an oversupply of wheat

0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and an under demand for it because everybody's that's right,

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and so everybody said, well, what do you do. You

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 1>just plant more wheat, plant more wheat. Yeah, basically expand

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>your farms so to try and turn a profit. And

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>so all of a sudden, all these drought resistant grasses

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>were no more. Uh, there was wheat everywhere. And apparently

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>wheat does not jibe Um, that quantity of wheat doesn't

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>jibe with the natural landscape. Uh. In the soil became

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>dusty and dry, and uh you couple that with a

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>drought which hit hard over the period of like three

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>years and high winds and everything blew away. Yes, so

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a hundred million acres of top soil ended up blowing

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 1>away like just blew away. It wasn't there any longer.

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>All that was left was the rocky subsoil like blue

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>to the east coast. Yes, Um, some of it blew

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 1>to California depending on where the winds blew. Some blew

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>all the way to Washington, d C. Which actually proved

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to be fortuitous because that got Congress's attention. And um,

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 1>these things were called black blizzards. And there's man, you've

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>seen the footage. It's just amazing when these huge, towering

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>clouds of black dust were just coming towards these what

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>looked like these tiny little miniature houses. Um, it doesn't

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>look real, No, it doesn't. But this really happened on

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the Great Plains in the thirties. Yeah, we're talking a

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand square miles over Oklahoma are parts

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Colorado, and New Mexico. And the

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 1>drought itself was from thirty four to thirty seven and

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>sixty percent, sixty percent of the population left. Yeah, a

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of them moved to California. California wasn't very happy.

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them left their farms and we're just broke. Basically,

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 1>they were um like the first generation to find themselves

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>underwater because a lot of them again remember like there

0:41:53.520 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>was this this drive UM to make more money by

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>producing more wheat, even though there was an over abundance

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>of wheat UM. So they really over leveraged themselves by

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>borrowing more for farm equipment and farm hands and farm

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>supplies and UM. When the bottom fell out on the

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>wheat market, they were over extended and their homes and

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>farms got four closed on. So they, like all these

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.839
<v Speaker 1>people who were just at one like just a little

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>while back, we're farming middle class people were now like

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>um homeless and on um root sixty six and basically

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>doing the grapes of wrath thing. Yeah, I mean, like

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you said, a lot of them moved west, uh and

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I think you said that California was not so happy

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>with that. About ten percent of them ended up in California,

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and um, it was not a great time for the

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>country as a whole. So they they didn't want all

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>these new people they call them Oaky's even though about

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 1>we're from Oklahoma. They didn't want them coming in there

0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to get their jobs. Uh, and it was it

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 1>was bad news all the way around in California. So

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>UM in actually, what's a pretty good, pretty good example

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of the federal government doing something really really right. Um.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>They stepped in, actually FDR stepped in with the New

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Deal UM and created a lot of measures that tried

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to alleviate the worst effects of the dust Bowl. And

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that they did really really well

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was create the Soil Conservation Service. Yeah. That was a

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty five and basically strict instructions to farmers to

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>uh plant grass, plant trees, how to plow, how to terrace, um,

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>how to hold rain water, how to portion off your

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>farmland um. And not just grow wheat over every square

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>inch of it, right, Yeah, leave some land to be

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>fallow and regenerate after um one year of production or

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years of production. UM. And one of

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the other big pushes that's still going on these days

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is no till arming. One of the big problems that

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>they that they did with with by knocking out these

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.280
<v Speaker 1>these grasslands was first they got rid of the native

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 1>grasses that were good at holding the top soil in place.

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>But then they actually tilled the top soil and loosened

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole structure of everything, so it was easy to

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 1>blow away when these strong winds came in. UM. And

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 1>apparently top soil takes something like I've seen in a

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>few places five hundred years to produce one inch of

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 1>new top soil. So once it blew away, it wasn't

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.479
<v Speaker 1>coming back. UM. And I'm not quite sure how they've

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 1>replenished it since then. I mean, I know that these

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 1>soil conservation measures are helping, but I mean, is it

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>just grassland that's growing on subsoil still for the next

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>couple hundred years. I don't know. You know what, I

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 1>know that somebody out there knows that, though well, please

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>some farmer. I do know that they said by the

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 1>early nineteen forties much of that land had been rehabilitated. UM.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 1>And not only did the from its step in and

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>still install install a lot of new laws and measures,

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but they also bought a lot of land UM to

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>take it out of production. Yeah, about eleven million acres

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just to you know, keep it grassy and stable. UM.

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>And the new deal brought it wasn't just the Soil

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Conservation Service UM. The we won't get into all these,

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but the works progress administration was created. Uh, the I

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>think the SCS is now the Natural Resources Conservation Service. Uh,

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>and they just you know, they really stepped in and said,

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>we can't let this happen again, even though in the

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties there was another bad drought. But I think, yeah,

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 1>the measure that, yeah, I remember in the seventies, that's

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>why we have skateboarding. Oh yeah, that's right. I mean

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>not completely, but it's when they went to the swimming

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>pools because they were empty in California. But thanks to

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>those measures, things in the fifties and seventies didn't reach

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 1>the levels that they did in and UM, I read

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>this really great article called Rethinking the US Bowl and

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember where it's from, but it's posted on

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the podcast page for this episode on our site. UM

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was basically saying like this was a really

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 1>good example of the government stepping in taking really good measures. Um,

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>because ultimately what created the dust bowl was parceling out

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the Great Plains into these small farms. If you're a

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 1>small farmer, taking soil conservation measures is not economically beneficial

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to you. You're not gonna see a lot of the benefits.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's going to be very expensive, right, And if

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>you're just a small farmer, it doesn't matter. Your farm

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. But if you put a bunch of small

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.879
<v Speaker 1>farms together and no one's taking soil conservation measures, then

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>what you have, as far as from an ecological standpoint,

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 1>is one gigantic farm with no soil conservation measures. And

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that's what set up the Great Planes for the Desk Bowl.

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Federal government came in and said, you guys are small farmers.

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be big farmers, but we're gonna

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>put a bunch of you together to form what's called

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the Soil concert Vation District, and we're going to say,

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>if you plant these trees for wind breaks and you

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>do these other soil conservation techniques, we're going to subsidize

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 1>your farms. And it worked really well, and a lot

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of small farmers got these subsidies, and the Great Planes

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>was saved. Hooray. Right, But then the same article is

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like this is also a really good example of how

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the federal government doesn't work because as smaller and smaller

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>farms were bought by bigger and bigger farms and consolidated

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>into like big Agra, these subsidies are still available for

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 1>these farms and farming companies that would have carried out

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>these measures anyway, because they would directly benefit from the

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 1>money that they put into it. They're still getting government

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>subsidies from it. So it was like it worked really

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>well at first. Now it's not working anymore. It's just

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of a waste of money. They should have had

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a stipulation in there though, that like farms of certain

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>size or something I don't know, should have, should have,

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>could have, would have. I found that really interesting. I

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>can tell really get why you suggested this dust Bowl

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>drought episode. Yeah, it's a good stuff. We've had a

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of um asks for this one lately. So have

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you got anything else? No, sir, Well, if you want

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to know anything else about the dust bowl and droughts

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of stuff, go to how stuff works,

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.799
<v Speaker 1>type those words into the search bar and it we'll

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>bring all this up. Uh. And since I said search bar,

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this batty

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>email from a bat bat guy. Um. Hey, guys, went

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 1>bat biologists specializing and threatened an endangered species in the

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Eastern US. It's a great episode and you nailed it

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>especially the section on echolocation. I'll add that while most

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>in sect devorous, insectivorous bats do catch their prey while

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>on the wing um, some have specialized to flutter slowly

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and their echo locations are so sensitive and high pitched,

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and they're hearing so sensitive that the bats can glean

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>insects from vegetation in the darkness. This be in response

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>to stealthy moss that have learned to sense bat echolocation

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>and evade round and round goes through predator prey arms race.

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>One clarification, though, is regarding the effect of white nose syndrome.

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.720
<v Speaker 1>You said the podcasts that the itch is what wakes

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the bats from hibernation. It's more that the bat's immune

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>system is ramped up by the late stage fungal infection,

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>in their metabolic requirements are beyond what they have prepared

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>for the damage. Wing membranes are especially susceptible to evaporate

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 1>water loss. In most hibernation interrupted bats are thought to

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.719
<v Speaker 1>die of lack of water rather than lack of food. Additionally,

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>new studies indicate that the clinical signs are in stages

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of the disease and that the chemical imbalances cause internal damage.

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Before the visible fungal high fade. DO one mechanism for

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:53.479
<v Speaker 1>this is chronic respiratory acidosis caused by increased dissolved CEO

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>two levels in the blood. Wow, man, I told you

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it's a bat biologist. Listen to you guys every day.

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh And I've taken s y s k onto the

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 1>woods on bat surveys more than once. Thanks for the PA.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>We've been on a bat survey before. It's a great

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.439
<v Speaker 1>balancing act of fact and b s of to each

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>their own and holding humanity to a higher standard. You

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 1>guys consistently hit it out of the park. Man, that

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>is nice. That is from Jason Whittle and uh, my

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 1>wife's hometown of Akron, Ohio and where Lebron lives to

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And you know what we actually got our

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:34.799
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0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of it the Bat Society. It's the best society of America,

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the world Bat Society. Can't remember which one, but one

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>of the larger bat organizations shared our podcast and was

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>I said, we did a great job. So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was Oh man, that's awesome. Well, thank you thanks

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