WEBVTT - Episode 4: Good Cop, Bad Cop 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.920 A quick warning. This story contains adult themes and strong language. Melbourne, 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:16.120 nineteen ninety five. Evelyn gets a call. Remember by now 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.759 she's running a chain of sixteen brothels. It's a well 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.680 known gangster. He needs her help. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.360 Well, because you're in a parlor business. He thought that 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.760 she was, you know, a madam and had some way 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:32.040 of getting things done. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:38.720 The gangster asks Evelyn if she knows someone, someone who 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:44.560 can well get things done, to be specific, to carry 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:50.800 out a hit, to murder someone, and guess what. It 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.040 turns out Evelyn does know someone. Leave it with me, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:01.840 she says, I'll make some calls. So Evelyn goes away, 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.320 and she does indeed make some calls. She sets up 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:11.240 a meeting, a meeting in a posh hotel. No surprise there. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.320 The day of the meeting rolls around, Evelyn's in the 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:22.160 swanky bar with her trademark mullet and bomber jacket sitting 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:28.440 next to her. Her contact, the hit man in walks. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:33.160 The gangster Mitch Brown knows the story. Well, that's not 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:34.600 his real name, by the way. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.520 Everyone made the introductions meet Joe Black. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.080 Evelyn says, that's the hit man. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.160 She said, well, I don't want to know anything about it. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.000 Just do it quietly. Lah bla la, And she said 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.400 we'll talk at a lada stage. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.400 And left them to chet a b at the business 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.040 that was to be done, which was a lot of 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:55.960 brother killed lives. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:02.080 Yeah you heard that right. The gangster wants his own 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:08.320 brother killed. Turns out they've been feuding over their mother's will. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.240 Joe Black says, I don't care what it's about. Just 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.560 as long as I get my money, you'll get your money. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:25.160 The gangster says, the price is agreed, ten grand blood money. Evelyn, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.280 the gangster and Joe Black all go their separate ways. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.799 I wonder if she paid the bar bill. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:35.320 Anyway. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.840 It's the day of the hit. The gangsters waiting in 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.240 a park, waiting for Joe Black to turn up to 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.680 confirm the hit. It's quiet, there's no one around. The 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:55.560 gangster checks his watch. Anxious, he stands, He paces and 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:00.919 sits back down. He checks his watch again. Still no sign. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:09.320 Then the man turns and sees someone approaching. It's Joe Black. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:17.560 Joe Black nods, it's done, he says. Joe Black hands 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.880 over the gangster's brother's driving license and watch evidence that 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:29.680 the hit has been executed. Just then, a car slowly 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:37.960 pulls up, and the gangster knows instinctively something's off here. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.600 All hell breaks loose. A squad of officers jump out 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:51.480 of the unmarked police car. The criminals are surrounded. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.680 And really came of such a surprise to him that 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.120 he had a rather nasty accident in these trailsers at 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:57.480 the time. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:04.240 Apparently he pulled him fill. Oh, yes, I know, nasty, nasty, nasty. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:09.720 Sorry about that. So the gangster is arrested. But you 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.440 want to know who doesn't get arrested, And this one 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:22.279 will surprise you. Evelyn Burton. Evelyn is in on the 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:29.000 whole thing. This is a sting operation for once. Evelyn 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.640 is on the side of the angels, because right after 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.560 she puts the phone down after that first call from 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:40.120 the gangster, she calls her old mate Mitch Brown, the 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.640 only cop she's ever trusted. Mitch says to her. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.800 Tell them you've got somebody, and we sit wheels in motion. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:54.239 The gangster is nasty and unpredictable. Evelyn dreads to think 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.719 what he might do if she refuses his request, what 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:02.200 he might do to her, to her girls, or Heaven 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:07.040 forbid to Lilah. And as for the hit man Joe Black, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:13.039 yes he's a cop too. So why do I tell 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:18.640 you this story? Well for two reasons. One because it 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.159 may surprise you to learn that, yes, Evelyn might be 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.080 a liar and a cheat, a thief, a fraud, a swindler, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.000 but she does have a line, a line she'd never cross, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.560 As Lilah puts it, I. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.200 Don't maybe involved in murders and things. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.880 And two because I think it's interesting and well, just 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.800 a little bit ironic to know that when her back's 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:52.360 against the wall, really against the wall, Evelyn, the thief, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.880 the fraud, the swindler, does what anyone else might do. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:08.599 She calls the police from usg Audio Blanchard House and 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:14.200 exactly right, Media, this is royal swindle. I'm Becky Milligan, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:59.000 Episode four, Good Cop, Bad Cop. Two years later, September 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:06.279 nineteen ninety, Saint Alban's, just north of London, Detective Jim 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:11.000 Frost is at home, relaxing, playing the piano. He's still 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.200 weighing up whether he should bring Evelyn in for questioning. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:21.760 Amazing how a little chaplin can bring some clarity. No, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.520 he thinks he needs to bide his time for just 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:31.680 a little while longer. He needs more evidence. Once he's 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.320 broken cover and Evelyn knows he's onto her, there's no 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:44.280 going back. But with that Tan briefcase, Evelyn's briefcase, it's 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.800 like all of Jim's Christmases and birthdays have come at once. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:55.640 It's proving a treasure trove of leads of contracts, of invoices, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:04.280 bank statements and business cards, names and numbers. Jim picks 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.000 up the phone and starts dialing. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.760 We started to speak to people saying, yes, I have 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.680 invested money, I've not had a return. So we began 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.160 to go to see people to obtain witness statements. One 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.960 thing led to another. We got in contact with the Hutchinson's. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.560 You know, you started getting other names given to you. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:28.280 The Hutchinson's. That's Francis Hutchinson who provided the staff for 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.280 the multimillion pound country house Evelyn and Lilah were planning 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.400 to buy. And they pass on more contacts to Jim, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:41.120 like Marjorie and Richard Ramsay. Remember Evelyn offered Marjorie that 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.439 job of a lifetime stud manager at Evelyn's show jumping 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:51.680 stud farm. Jim Frost turns up at Marjorie and Richard's house, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.839 takes out his little notebook and asks them about their 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.600 encounters with Evelyn. They very quickly become big fans of 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:01.440 our detective. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.240 I thought he was a very nice chap and be, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.319 but also very efficient. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.640 I thought he would catch them, did you. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.360 Yes, Marjorie takes a bit of a fancy to. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.360 Him, gorgeous London. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:17.120 Yes. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.559 Jim's not that used to dealing with the Horsey set, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.560 and he's thoroughly entertained by the welcome he gets. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.440 Speaking with that almost fake posh accent. Hello, officer, Do 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.320 come and sit down? And you think? Do you really 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.640 speak like that? All the time. Having said that I 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.319 like them, they were good fun. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.959 To be with, Marjorie and Richard tell Jim all about 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.800 how Evelyn offered them a cottage on her new estate 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.680 and told them that if they sold their own house, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.760 they could invest the money in her lucrative prime bank guarantees. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:02.800 Also in Evelyn's briefcase two more names. Lucille and her 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.840 husband Larry, the couple who sold their Arab Philly to 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:13.000 Evelyn for fifteen thousand pounds fifteen thousand pounds that Evelyn 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:20.000 is very reluctant to pay Jim knocks on their door too, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.440 and again takes out his little notebook. Lucille and Larry 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.280 tell him all about a confrontation at a local show. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.720 Evelyn had rolled up at some sort of horse event 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.640 in Sussex in the hired but not paid for Bentley. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.600 Apparently everyone was sitting in the passion seat with her 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.040 little stumpy legs up on the dashboard of the bentleane. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.240 Larry is pretty shocked by Evelyn's casual pose. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.680 That's not just the demeanor you would expect from a 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.520 woman who's got plenty of dosh. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.120 Well, never mind that, this is a chance to challenge 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.800 Evelyn face get her to pay up. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.520 I said, I believe you've got some money for us, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.760 and Evelyn put her hand in her pocket and said, yes, I've. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.400 Got it here and says to Lucille, I'm sorry it's 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:19.520 taken so long. Lucille and Larry can't believe it. At 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.560 last they're going to be paid. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.360 She pulled her hand out of pocket and produced a 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.640 laundry ticket and immediately said, oh fuck, I must have 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.600 left the check at the laundrit. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.720 So you can keep that, because I'd rather have your 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:41.079 check for fifteen pounds. Evelyn has fogged them off again. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.079 Back home at his piano, Jim mulls it all over. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.280 It's all important background, for sure, but there's no killer 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:59.920 evidence just yet, nothing decisive. This case is proving hard 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:07.840 than he thought. But then a breakthrough Evelyn's briefcase yields 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:17.000 two new leads, very promising leads to Belfast, two people 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:22.360 who Jim thinks might actually give him enough evidence to 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:30.080 bring Evelyn in for questioning. Jim is on his way 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.199 to Belfast in Northern Ireland. He's going to meet two 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:40.079 businessmen who've invested in Evelyn's famous prime bank guarantees, well 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.199 at least they think they have. They put in nearly 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.199 one hundred thousand pounds that's more than a quarter of 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:52.920 a million US dollars in today's money. But things don't 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.480 go quite as he's expecting. When he gets to the meeting, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.640 he immediately senses a bit of a frosty atmosphere, and 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:05.240 the two businessmen aren't alone. They've brought us solicitor along 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.479 with them. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.800 People don't normally call their slicters if they're going to 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.439 make a witness statement. They usually call them when they're 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:10.800 about to be. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.920 Arrested anyway, Jim gets straight to the point. He explains 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.559 that he's investigating Evelyn Burton. He says that he suspects 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:26.560 she's an international fraudster posing as an investment banker, and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.319 he tells the businessman that if he's right, which he 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:37.880 is pretty sure he is, they've been duped big time. Now, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.480 Jim expects some reaction. I mean, they've just been told 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:47.280 they've lost a lot of money, but the businessman saying nothing. Instead, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.440 their solicitor speaks for them. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.320 He said, my clients have signed a contract with evan 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.160 In Burton, and in the contract there is a non 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.600 disclosure agreement and if they disclose anything of this deal 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.240 to anyone, and he said, I believe that includes you, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.400 they will not get their money. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.319 Smart of Evelyn to use an NDA, always one step ahead. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.480 Jim is getting frustrated. He tells them that they don't 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.600 seem to understand that Evelyn Burton is not the person 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:25.000 they think she is. The non disclosure agreement is meaningless, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.480 but they're having none of it. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.400 They still believe they might get their money, and their 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.320 initial reaction was not to speak to me. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.560 But Jim's come prepared. It just so happens that he's 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.400 very recently received a fax from the police in Melbourne 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:48.440 in Australia, with an extensive list of Evelyn's previous convictions. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.280 He opens his briefcase, takes out the papers, and I threw. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.360 Them down the table, and I said, perhaps you ad 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:57.520 lot to read those, gentlemen. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.720 The three men on the other side to the table 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.720 sit there in silence. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.280 They went quite far away through these six or seven 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.720 pages which just listed all Evelyn's convictions and aliases. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:15.000 And the horror of it dawns on them. As we 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:22.640 say in the UK, they've been stitched up like a kipper. Finally, 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:32.440 the two businessmen agreed to cooperate. Back home at his piano, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:38.160 Jim thinks maybe it's time time to invite Miss Burton 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:55.840 into the station to answer a few questions. Three years earlier, Melbourne, Australia, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.760 Lila and Evelyn have been happily married for more than 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:04.400 a decade. Money's not a problem. Evelyn is doing well. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.040 She's got fingers in a lot of pies. There are 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:14.360 the brothels, of course, but she's also dabbling in various companies, nightclubs, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:19.320 and she also runs a magazine, The Australian lesbian diary. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.640 The monthly Glossy has all sorts of articles written by 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:30.120 lesbians for lesbians about lesbians. There's Lolly Lipstick's gossip page, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:35.240 an agony aunt, a matchmaking column, and plenty of explicit 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:40.600 erotic photos. The community are wowed by Lila and Evelyn. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.600 We were a bit mismerized by them. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.760 Kimberly O'Sullivan wrote for the magazine. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:52.320 And they were very unashamedly lesbians. We loved the idea 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.480 that there were these really successful dip business women who 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.920 had money, who were on our side. It was great. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.000 There's a column in the magazine called Maggie's Soapbox and 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.879 who's Maggie, Yes, Evelyn. Of course she uses it to 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:17.840 promote her grand plan, her vision, an empire of lesbian enterprises, clubs, bars, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.160 racy novels. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.160 I got to sense that they were business women who 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:24.760 knew how to make a bag. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.800 And then there are the lesbian porn movies made by 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.400 her very own production company. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.040 Philippa Productions, that was named after Lila's Philippa. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:42.639 Philippa plans to make a trilogy of erotic films, Lusty Afternoon, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:48.920 Lusty Evening and Lusty Midnight, but in the end only 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:54.879 Lusty Afternoon was shot and released. So Evelyn is working hard. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:18:00.320 Lilah too. Now at forty six, she's reinvented her self 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:01.720 as the one. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.480 And only Madame Xavieira. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.240 And her speciality. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.040 Bondage and disciplined man day. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:16.680 Yes, bondage and discipline. Lilah is a dominatrix, and the 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.040 best thing about being a dominatrix. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.480 There's nice six at all involved in what I do. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:27.440 Ever, that's how she likes it. She has her own 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.560 dungeon where she's in complete control. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.480 In the dungeon, they had to do exactly as I 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.160 told them, otherwise they got into terrible trouble. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.720 And she has one rule which clients break at their peril. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.360 Never tad to Madam ever, unless she says you can 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:47.720 do it. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:19:01.640 Three years later, April nineteen ninety eight, Saint albans Hertfordshire, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.680 a small cathedral city about twenty five miles north of London. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:13.440 Very quaint, very quiet and very English, almost picture perfect 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:19.879 except for one building, a grey nineteen sixties office block, 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:25.960 a real eyesaw the police station, where Detective Constable Jim 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:31.399 Frost is expecting a very special someone. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.120 The short lady comes in. He grew barely. She over 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.800 the counter who was about five foot tall and five 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:39.479 foot wide. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:47.119 Yes, Evelyn, the Hunter and the hunted face to face 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.720 for the first time. They size each other up, Evelyn 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:57.639 sporting her bomber jacket and baggy jeans. Jim is genuinely surprised. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.040 Is this really the woman who's past herself off as 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.480 some kind of financial genius? 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.440 Everything about has screamed, I'm not an international banker. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.760 He thanks her for coming in voluntarily. She isn't under arrest. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:17.680 There's no charge, not yet, at least. Evelyn is unlike 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.240 any fraudster he's ever met, and he's met quite a 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:26.000 few in his time. Okay, so it's first impressions. But 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.959 Jim's flabbergasted. He just can't understand how anyone. 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.400 Could look at Evidan and think that is an international banker. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.880 That woman could make me lots of money. I don't 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:37.240 get it. 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.800 Well, appearances can be deceptive and all that. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:41.879 Jim. 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:47.119 Now, it's a risk bringing Evelyn in for questioning. Of course, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.639 Jim doesn't expect her to hold her hands up and confess, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.840 but if he can just get her talking, catch her 0:20:54.880 --> 0:21:01.200 off guard. Maybe she'll let something slip, something important, a detail. 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:09.560 He's decided it's worth the risk. Jim buzzes Evelyn in 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.800 past the front desk and through the station. The station 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:21.199 is utilitarian, to say the least. Off white walls, linoleum floor, 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:27.359 The corridors are long and soulless. No cheapness spared, is 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:35.080 how Jim describes it. It's all rather stifling, but there 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.840 is one touch of class, Just like in every police station. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.320 A framed photo of Queen Elizabeth has pride of place. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.239 Maybe Evelyn catches sight of it as Jim leads her 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.920 past the offices and down to the basement floor, and 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.679 maybe she recalls with pride meeting the Queen at the 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.840 Royal Windsor horse Show, how they chatted about the vast 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:07.520 home Evelyn was going to buy. Well, Saint Alban's police 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:14.640 station is an awfully long way from all that. Jim 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.120 leads Evelyn down to the dingy basement. Take a right 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.719 turn and you'll arrive at the interview rooms. Take her 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.320 left and you'll find yourself in the cells. But Evelyn's 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:31.040 not worried about turning left anytime soon, not at all, 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.680 because she has a plan. She's here for one reason, 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:43.600 and one reason only. She's playing the detective at his 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:53.080 own game. They enter the interview room. Four white walls, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.840 one door, no windows, strip lighting runs across the low ceiling. 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:04.600 It's blind clinical. There's nowhere to hide here, and no 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:09.320 one can hear you beyond these walls. They're completely sound proof. 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.160 In the middle of the room is a wooden table 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:16.320 with two plastic chairs on either side, all bolted to 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.720 the floor. An ancient looking tape recorder sits on the table. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.320 Evelyn and Jim take their seats opposite each other, like 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:34.199 two chess grandmasters. Jim turns on the tape recorder and 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:39.240 presses the record button. Evelyn folds her arms and waits 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.240 for the detective to make the first move. Jim goes 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.280 through the drill, just as he has done hundreds of 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:47.080 times before. 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:53.200 This interview is being recorded. My name is Detective Constable 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.199 Jim Frost from the Hertford Chick Constabulary Fraud Squad, and 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:02.600 I'm about to interview you, Miss Evelyn. You are not 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.640 obliged to say anything, but it may harm your defense 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.600 if you do not mention something you later rely on 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:12.840 in court. Anything you do say can be given in evidence. 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:14.919 Do you understand? 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:23.320 Evelyn understands. The game begins. Jim gets straight to the point, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:24.800 what do. 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:25.520 You do with the money? 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:27.280 No comment? 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:28.919 Have you invested it? 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:30.680 No comment? 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:32.199 What have you done with it? 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:34.080 No comment. 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:39.280 It's a poor start, but he perseveres and puts forward 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:44.960 all the allegations he's gathered so far. No comment, allegations 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:49.840 of investment fraud, no comment, all those statements from the horse, 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.520 he said, Lucille and Larry, Marjorie and Richard. 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:54.800 No comment. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:02.639 Jim keeps pressing. The tape runs out. He starts another 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.200 an hour and a half later, no comment. 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:09.760 All the way through. 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:17.840 Jim doesn't get a thing, and he was never going to, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:23.040 because this was all in Evelyn's game plan. She's here 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:27.359 for one reason, and one reason alone, to find out 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:32.359 what the police have on her, and now she knows. 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:34.200 Checkmate. 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.719 Jim tells her she's free to leave. He escorts her 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:47.720 back out along those long airless corridors, and she emerges 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.440 into the bracing Saint Alban's air leaving one very frustrated 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:57.680 detective behind her, and Evelyn already knows what she needs 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:13.320 to do next, because she's been here before three years earlier, Melbourne, Australia. 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:19.080 As I said before, Evelyn has her fingers in many pies, brothels, 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:24.280 lesbian magazines, horn movies. But what I didn't go into 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:32.320 is her investment company, Leveraged Equity Investments International, all very grand. 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.360 They opened up a lovely office in Collins Street. 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:40.119 In the heart of the swanky business district in Melbourne, 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.399 and it's doing very well. According to newspaper reports at 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:50.000 the time. Here's Evelyn's business model. Leveraged Equity is a 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:54.639 loan broker. In other words, it introduces a borrower to 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.679 a lender. If you're the borrower, all you need to 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.560 do is pay Evelyn a modest upfront fee and Evelyn 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.320 will get you your loan. You're laughing all the way 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:11.360 to the bank. Very simple and very lucrative for Evelyn. 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.600 All I know is that you would usually come home with, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.840 you know, teen grand for me and just you know, 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.520 here is some money for you. You can imply with it, 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.920 and of course I did. 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:23.560 Now. 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:27.040 According to that press coverage from the nineteen nineties, in 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:32.840 today's money, Leverage Equity promises over six hundred million US 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.639 dollars in loans and collects one point five million dollars 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:43.760 in fees. Everyone's a winner. The only thing is it's 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.520 reported that out of those six hundred million in promised loans, 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:53.959 not a single borrower receives a single cent, not one. 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.760 But of course they've all paid out that upfront fee, 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.120 which means the only person really laughing all the way 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.119 to the bank is Evelyn. So do you think this 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:08.000 company was. 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.639 Sort of it wanted to be legit. 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.639 But it was the sort of swindling. 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.600 Yes, but it wanted to be legit. 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:23.399 A legit swindle. Year Now, none of this has escaped 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:27.560 the attention of the authorities. They're on to Evelyn. But 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.560 get this. She tells them that the information she needs 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:37.439 is in a briefcase, a briefcase that she's lost. What 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:42.400 is it about Evelyn and her briefcases? Anyway, The Australian 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.200 Securities Commission have asked her to appear before them in 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.880 a week's time, and it turns out Evelyn's feeling the 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:56.960 heat on all sides. Remember that gangster's hit job from 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:01.000 the start of the show. Well, she's asked to appear 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:05.840 as a witness in his criminal trial. That's the last 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:12.240 thing she needs, all things considered, it's fair to say 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:16.920 that life down Under is getting pretty uncomfortable for our duo. 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:25.320 Evelyn realizes she and Lilah have only one option to 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:30.800 skip town, leaving the police investigating a reported eight million 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:35.280 Australian dollars in fraud and unpaid bills. That's more than 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.880 twelve million US dollars today. 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.680 We just went off to New York and we stayed 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.280 at the Hilton for a little while, and the plan 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.800 was to find a flat to rent in New York. 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:50.800 But it was a very difficult situation. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:56.000 Evelyn reassures Lilah that her American associates will get them 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.000 out of this mess, but it doesn't quite go to plan. 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:05.440 Astralian authorities are tracking her. They've contacted US Immigration and 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.760 before long the police come knocking. 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:10.600 Well. 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.080 They said we want to speak to Evelyn, and they 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.640 spoke to Weaverly and took her away. And I said, 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.520 what are you being arrested for? She said, I I 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.080 don't know. She said, haven't got a clue. 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.040 And a few hours later she calls Lilah and let's 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.400 just say she's no longer at the Hilton. 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.000 They chained her up the way they chained up the 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.840 prisoners over there, you know, with the lead cuffs and 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.520 the whole thing. Really yeah, did you see her laughing? 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.720 She told me all about it, and I said, but 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.800 that's the way they usually drag, you know, murderers off 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:47.640