1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: your home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: M Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with 4 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. We have a special edition of 5 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: The Drive today. Our friend friend of the show, Stan 6 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: severeign has been doing some interviews with some Steelers past 7 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: as he is want to do. Uh. He did this 8 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: these ones for Steelers dot Com and one of the 9 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: guys that he caught up with recently was James Ferrier. Yeah. Boy, 10 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: interesting career with Farrier, I mean very early pick of 11 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: the jets I think by Parcels at the time. And 12 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: let the NFL in tackles. One of those years for 13 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: Parcels is an outside linebacker and they kept him in 14 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: his edge. They kept changing inside outside with Ferrier and 15 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: never could figure out what they wanted to do with him. 16 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: And then he comes to the Steelers as an inside 17 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: that guy say it really shines. Yeah. Um. You know 18 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit, uh earlier in the week 19 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame monitor h If you look 20 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: at the Farrier's career, um, he comes in right below 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: Sam Mills, who's been a finalist the last couple of 22 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: years and just ahead of London Fletcher, who was also 23 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame. Really good careers. I don't 24 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: think any of them are Hall of Fame, and Farrier's 25 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: gotten very little pushed for the Hall of Fame. Sure, 26 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: you don't even see him on any list period. I mean, 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting he should even be a finalist, but 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: you would think that he should be. His problem was 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: he played at the same time as ray Lewis, in 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the same conference as late ray Lewis. Felt like you 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: had overshadowed by some teammates in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that that 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: as well. But he was a very good player for 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: a long time for the Steelers and uh uh part 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: of those three Super Bowl teams. That that kind of matters. 35 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: It's funny that people don't talk about Steelers are about 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: going out to get free agents. But there's been a 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: couple key, key ones, you know, the really well spund 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: buying low on a guy that with a high, high 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: ceiling like Ferrier. Yeah, it's smart. So let's let's give 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: a listen to what James Ferrier had to say with 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: Stan Savern right now. Hello, everyone, it's my great pleasure 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: to welcome in one of the great Steelers of all time, 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: one of the greatest Steeler linebackers of all time, a 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: Steeler captain and an inductee into the Steelers Hall of Honor, 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the great James Ferrier joins us. Now, James, how are you? 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. I'm doing well, us man. 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Thanks ahead. Oh, it's our pleasure. Let's let's go back. 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: Let's go back way back. Almost hate the date you 49 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: or myself nearly a quarter century ago. A lot of 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: players they get nervous about getting drafted and maybe their 51 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Day two or maybe their Day three. Um, whatever suspense 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: there was for you was over rather quickly when the 53 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: Jets took you with the eighth overall pick. Yes, uh, 54 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: I still remember it like it was yesterday. I was 55 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: in the war room with the rest of the players 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: that were uh supposed to be selected in the first 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: top for the first round, and the waiting game. It 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: didn't last long. It was probably a wait. I waited 59 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes. And you know, if you've ever 60 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: watched the draft thing, you see that first round guys 61 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: can waiting there for hours and hours, and it could 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: take all day and it's a very frustrating experience, but 63 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: for me, it was exciting and over in thirty minutes, 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: and uh, the rest is history. Yeah, some guys are 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: poor guys. They put the cameras on those poor guys. 66 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: You just you certainly feel for them. Um, you know, 67 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: being a guy from a smaller town in Virginia, how 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: did you feel about going to New York? Oh? I was, man, 69 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: I was so excited about it, And uh, I really 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. I knew it was a 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: big city at I've never been in New York before, 72 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it was one of those things where 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: you know, I was looking forward to it and you know, 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: hoping everything's gonna work out great for your four years 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: in in New York. Um, you certainly didn't enjoy the 76 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: success there individually or team wise as you ended up 77 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: having in Pittsburgh. And I've always wondered James was part 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: of the issue. They had you as an outside linebacker, 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: and yet when Kevin Colbert signed you, they moved you 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: not immediately but initially after that inside. Was that a 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: whole new world for you when you played inside versus 82 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: outside linebacker? Yeah? I think that affect him my play 83 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. And I'm not gonna say that's the 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: only thing, but you know, I felt like I for 85 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: me to play the best that I could play, I 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: needed to be off the ball and reading instead of 87 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: always just instant reaction and instant you know, being on 88 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: that line of scrimmage, you have action right away. And uh, 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: I was a player that tried to you know, think 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more and you know, want to see 91 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: and react to things a little uh a little bit 92 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: more time. What was it as a free agent? You 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: had other opportunities and options? What was it about the 94 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Steelers that um made you decide to sign with them? 95 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: They were coming off an NFC champion game, unfortunately loss 96 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: to the Patriots. Was it the winning tradition or just 97 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: the opportunity to play and perhaps move inside in the 98 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: three four? Uh? It was actually the only opportunity that 99 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I had, you know, Coach Coward Day extending the offer 100 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: to me, and that was pretty much the only thing 101 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: that I had going for me at the time. And 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: my agent, Ralph Sanders, he was he was leaning towards 103 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: me signing with Pittsburgh and he had a lot of 104 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: good things to say about the rooming family. And one 105 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: thing that he told me that stuck out with me. 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: He said that this is a loyal uh a layal loyal, 107 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: loyal owners and if you do well about them, they 108 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: will treat you right. And everything he said came true. Well, 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: Rolph was a Pittsburgh guy. He would know all about that, 110 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: certainly understand the connection. Um, what was it playing for 111 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: Bill kawer Uh? You know he had you know, been 112 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: around about ten years by the time you came on board. 113 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: Would you class from as a players coach? How would 114 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: you describe playing for a Hall of Fame coach Bill 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: kawhert Uh. He was a great coach. He definitely sided 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: towards the players that never really heard him. One thing 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: that I liked about him he yelled at the coaches 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: when the players did something wrong. Yeah, that was my 119 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: favorite bot about coach Cattle. He would be so upset 120 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: if anybody did something wrong. He wouldn't really yell at 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: the players, but he would get on the coaches. And 122 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that stood out to me 123 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: about Coach kab. But I mean, what a great coach 124 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: and what a great career he had, and he had 125 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot of good players but had that old Pittsburgh 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: thing continues on. I might as well to ask you 127 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: while we have a chance to talk about a parallel Um, 128 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: you won and played for super Bowls with two different coaches. Um, 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: can you compare and contrast Bill Coward with Mike Tomlin. Uh, 130 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: there are a lot more similar than uh, they are different. 131 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: Coach Simon has a similar style of coaching, although he 132 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: does yell at players more than he does the coaches. 133 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say that, you know, they both 134 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: are centered around just having the atmosphere where the players 135 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: feel comfortable. And that's one of the great things about 136 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: both of those coaches that I liked. Well. The first 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: couple of years you were here, James, weren't great years 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: of the Steelers made the playoffs. Um, the one year 139 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: and be Cleveland. Uh, you lose the a f C 140 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: champion games to the Patriots, And I'm wondering when you 141 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: did win the Super Bowl two thousand five. Was the 142 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: loss to the Patriots in O four a motivating factor 143 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: in winning the Super Bowl in OH five? Uh, I 144 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: don't know so much of it was motivation, But we 145 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: always want to win a championship and that's the still 146 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: as I mean, that's that's what we're trying to do 147 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: every season. So I mean coming up short. The year before, 148 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: we got so close and we felt like we had 149 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: a great opportunity to reach the super Bowl and we didn't. 150 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: It was more just a frustrating feeling that we didn't 151 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: finish the deal. It's often been said that teams have 152 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: to learn how to win as a group, and I'm 153 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: wondering if that was a factor. You had the experience 154 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: in OH four and that unbelievable season. You're fifteen and one, 155 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: you're beating the Patriots earlier, one of the great games 156 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: ever played at Hinsfield, UM, and I'm wondering if that 157 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: didn't help galvanize you. Although uh, it should also be mentioned, 158 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: of course that an O five you were sitting there 159 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: at seven and five and just a long shot to 160 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I think one of the things you said, uh, 161 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: you said winning helped us out I think losing together 162 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: helped us outboard and winning together. I think what we 163 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: went through when we lost that championship game, it was 164 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: really hard, hard for us to swallow, and it was 165 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: very frustrating. I think that really bonded us together even more. 166 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: Take us inside, uh the locker room. You're sitting there 167 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: at seven and five, and you know you're probably gonna 168 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: have to go on a four game run. There was 169 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: that memorable game where against the Bears where Jerome ran 170 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: over Brian or locker. People still get excited seeing that, Um, 171 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: where were you out of seven five a team that 172 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: was expected to win, but here you are on the 173 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: outside looking in. We we tried to stay laser foe 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: focus and just tried to hone in on what we 175 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: needed to do and take it one game at a time. 176 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: We were our backs were against the wall and any 177 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: game that we lost would put us out of the playoffs. 178 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: So our playoffs coach Coward, I think he mentioned that 179 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: that our playoffs were starting the next week and if 180 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: we want to make it to the real playoffs, then 181 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: we had to win one game every week. And you know, 182 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: I think we took that one game approach at the time. 183 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that actually being in playoff mode actually 184 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: help you once you did get into the playoffs beating 185 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Cincinnati and then the memorable game against the Colts and 186 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: and certainly against Denver. I mean, do you feel being 187 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: in that playoff mentality help you once you actually got 188 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, no doubt about it. I think that 189 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: that very uh that helped us out tremendously. I think 190 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: that carried us, you know, all the way to the championship. 191 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: We were in playoff mode from week thirteen on through 192 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, each when we got to the 193 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: playoff games, it was like we're ready to row and 194 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: we're just we're hitting on all cylinders and everything was 195 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: going how we needed it to go for us to 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: win the championship. I have to ask you about that 197 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Indianapolis game. You had two and a half shocks. You 198 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: guys were all over Peyton manning, you took the lead, 199 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: and then of course Jerome's fumble, bench miracle tackle, the 200 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: missfield goal. Is that as a big emotional roller coaster 201 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: inside one game as you've ever felt, that was, no 202 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: doubt about it. Yeah, we were celebrated after we got 203 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: a I think it was a fourth down stop two 204 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: on the goal line, and we got the ball on 205 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: the goal line. So as we were walking off the field, 206 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: waving back to the fans and you know, cheering ourselves on, 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: and we thought the game was over as only a 208 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: minute left, we got the bus in the backfield, so 209 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, this thing is over. And as we were 210 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: taunting the hands, we just started hearing cheering, just a 211 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: loud cheer, and we all turned around and saw Harvard 212 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: running with the ball and we were like, oh no, 213 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? And Ben made one probably one of 214 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: the greatest plays in Steelers history, I have to say that, 215 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, I know we had a lot of 216 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: great players and a lot of great plays, but that 217 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: was probably up there with one of the best. And uh, 218 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: after he made that play, I got the defense together. 219 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: The defense ran out on the field and I was standing, 220 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: uh standing in front of Coach of the Boat and 221 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: he was still in the shop. He was still in 222 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: it and a little bit of shock, and I was like, 223 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: Coach the Boat, come on, let's go. It's time to 224 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: get the calls and we can go win this game. 225 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: And he snapped out of and call some great calls 226 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: and we ended up they ended up missing the field 227 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: though well. Bench one and only tackle ended up being 228 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: a really big one. Remember of the defense with the 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: with that one, because that guy might have gone all 230 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the way what what again? That would have been the 231 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in Detroit. Um just take us through. Uh, 232 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: you guys organizing unbeknowns to Jerome, having him run out 233 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: on the field at Ford Field all alone. I think 234 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: that was Joey Porter's idea. He was our he was 235 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: out William Wallace I always called it, I like to say, 236 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: and uh, he definitely can't. He came up with the 237 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: idea of having Jerome well first. He came up with 238 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: the idea of getting uh, Jerome Bettist noted Dame Jersey 239 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: for all the teams so we could wear that on 240 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: our trip to Detroit. And I think before we got 241 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: there he had mentioned something about having Jerome whout in 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: front of before everybody, being his hometown probably might be 243 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: probably being his last game, So we wanted to make 244 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: it real special for Jerome. And you know, he's one 245 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: of the big reasons why we were there. I made 246 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: him forget that fumble. I'm quite sure yea, he will 247 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: be remembering all about it, really remember much worth of that. 248 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: The other thing that I remember about that is I 249 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: was there all week as you were. You guys were 250 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: in Potiacum practicing, But Steeler Nation just overwhelmed the city 251 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: of Detroit and it was like a home game typical 252 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Steeler Nation behavior. Right, Oh, for sure. You know, any 253 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: any time you can get a game where the fans 254 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: can drive to the game, then you're gonna get a 255 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: big turn out. And uh, Pittsburgh wasn't that far from Detroit, 256 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of people came out and we were 257 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: very happy to see that the crowd was definitely tipping 258 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: the scale for Pittsburgh. Undoubtedly. I know the ultimate goal 259 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: for any athlete is to win a championship. Um, and 260 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: maybe this is an obvious question, James, but was that 261 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: the highlight of your career winning that first Super Bowl 262 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: or was there something else maybe along the way that 263 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: was more meaningful to you as a Steeler? Uh? Definitely 264 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: the championships. I mean that's what we played the game for. 265 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: And you know, we all, you know, try to do 266 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: our best and get you know, play as best as 267 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: we can. But the team go has always gonna be 268 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: winning the championship. And you know that's the chronic moment 269 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: of my whole career. Both of those championships, Well, let's 270 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: go to the second one. Um, can you compare and contrast? 271 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: Was one more meaningful to you than the other? I 272 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: think the first one just because it was the first 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: one and the first time going through that experience, I 274 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: think that was a probably more special than the second one. 275 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: The second one, we kind of knew what we were 276 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: going to be dealing with, We knew how to prepare, 277 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: and it felt like we were veterans going into that 278 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: second one. Well, certainly one of the most exciting Super 279 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: Bowls ever was Santonio Holmes winning catch. But before that, 280 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: I have to ask you, and I've asked guys who 281 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: were on the field during the immack of reception, where 282 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: were you and what were you doing when James Harrison 283 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: picked off that pass in the end zone. I was 284 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: behind James Harrison in the end zone when he caught 285 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: the ball, and when he caught it and started running, 286 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: and we all the whole team just started running and 287 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: everybody was trying to pick up a block. And from 288 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: my advantage point, I was in front of a Kwan Bolden, 289 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: so I was just trying to block him out of 290 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the way and slow him down because I knew he 291 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: was fast and he might could catch him. And uh, 292 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: I remember him pulling me by my uh my neck 293 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: brace and pulling me down, and I was really mad 294 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: about that. I still haven't forgiven him for that, but 295 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: it's okay, arguably the greatest playing Super Bowl history. And 296 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: he had to score because the clock had expired otherwise, 297 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: And that's that's what I was thinking about the whole 298 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: toels like, he needs to get out of bands and 299 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: we only have a few seconds left. We need to 300 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: try to get a kick a field goal, And that's 301 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: all I was thinking about it first. But then when 302 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: the time ran, now I was like, oh man, he's 303 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: got a score now, Like, I mean, all of that 304 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: for nothing, and we can't let that happen. And he 305 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: he made one great, I mean one hell of a play, 306 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and uh, the rest of the guy that that were 307 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: they're blocking for him, they they also contributed, and uh, 308 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: like you said, it was one of the greatest places 309 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history. I've looked at that tape and 310 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: it seemed like every other member of the defense, all 311 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: ten of you, in addition to James, got a block 312 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: on somebody. Remember Mike running down, I mean everybody, Troy, 313 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: everybody got involved. Um, and that, that, oh a defense 314 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: was special. A lot of people began to compare it 315 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: to the Steel Curtain years of the seventies. Was that, oh, 316 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: eight defense in particular, James, the best one you played 317 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: on as a Steeler. Yeah, I would say so that, 318 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh A team was really special, that defense was We're 319 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: really good that year and uh, I definitely think that 320 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: was probably my best probably our best, our best uh 321 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: team we had. When you talk about the honor of, 322 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, being a champion, one of the things that 323 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: stuck out to me in two thousand five Super Bowl 324 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: winning team, your teammates voted you the m v P 325 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: UH and I wonder and all the honors you've gotten 326 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: if that one isn't maybe most meaningful because it was 327 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: voted on by your teammates. Oh yeah, any time that 328 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: you get an award that uh, your peers get a 329 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: chance to vote for and it is definitely something special 330 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: and it's definitely one of the most special moments in 331 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: my career. Well, they voted for you not only because 332 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: your play, but because of your leadership. And I know 333 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: that no one sets out and said, Okay, I'm going 334 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: to be a leader now, but you were. You were 335 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: a quiet guy. Although if you play with Joey Porter comparatively, 336 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: everybody's quiet, but you're a quiet guy. You've always been 337 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: that way. Um, and you exerted leadership, Did you do 338 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: it consciously and just come naturally to you? I think 339 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: it just comes from just the experience I had. I 340 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: think my first five years with the Jets. Uh, it 341 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: showed me. It gave me the blueprint of what I 342 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: looked at, looked up to the older guys. So I 343 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: had guys like Mo Lewis, Brian Cox, Vinny Testa, Verdie, 344 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Curtis Martin, Aaron Glenn, those guys like that around me, 345 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: a very veteran group, and uh, they showed me what 346 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: leadership was. And I was able to kind of carry 347 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: some of the lessons that I learned from the Jets 348 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: and just carried on over to the Steelers. And you know, 349 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: by the time I got to the Steelers, I was, 350 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: you know, more mature as a player, and uh, I 351 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: understood what, you know, with the heartbeat of the team 352 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: needs to be like. And UH definitely have enjoyed around 353 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: helped a lot. He taught me a lot about being 354 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: a leader. And uh, it's just one of those things 355 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: that I never really focused on. Trying to be a 356 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: leader was just something that aim out naturally. Well. It's 357 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: often been said that you know, teammates formed bonds, but 358 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: especially when you've won championships together. Uh. And I wondered 359 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: if you have been able to maintain a lot of 360 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: those relationships now that you've been retired for about ten years. Oh. Yeah, 361 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: we have a a couple of group texts with like 362 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen people on each one, and uh, we 363 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: all definitely try to keep up with each other throughout 364 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: the years, and we we do a couple of zoom 365 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: calls every now and then. It just make sure everybody's 366 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: doing well. But like you said, it's a special bond 367 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: when you win the championship with the team and the 368 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: players that you bond with is something that carries on 369 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: for like that. And I asked that question because I 370 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: know that you have reached out to some current Pittsburgh 371 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: Steelers Black History Month and you've involved in programs. I'd 372 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: like you to explain, uh what exactly your role has been, 373 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: how you got involved in what you're accomplishing. Well. I 374 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: talked to some players about as an online banking app. 375 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: It's called gold set Up, and it's to help kids 376 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: get financially uh learn learn how to save money, learn 377 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: how to be uh financially Uh. Fiscal and just something 378 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: too for kids that that they can use later on 379 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: in life that help them be more successful. And I 380 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: joined up with the Steelers and having kids, setting up 381 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: kids with a savings account in their names and giving 382 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: them forty dollars seed money towards that account. And it's 383 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: just a banking app that teaches kids financial literacy and 384 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: teach them how to be better people when they're not 385 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: only be consumers, but to be investors, owners, entrepreneurs and 386 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: have that type of spirit. Did you organize just yourself, James, 387 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: Are you one of the pioneers or is just a 388 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: National Football League project? I didn't organize it, and it 389 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: came from an investment group to them a part of sorry, 390 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm a visitor, get him on that bank app? Yes, 391 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and so the the founder of the banking app, this 392 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: Talian band Court, and she she approached our investment group. 393 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: It's another visitor. She approached us with with the the 394 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: idea of the banking app, and my wife fell in 395 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: love with it, and I fell in love with it. 396 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was something that could really help kids out, 397 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: especially under our black and brown kids, and it would 398 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: be an opportunity for them to you know learn how 399 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: to educate themselves. And it's a fun banking app that 400 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: kids get sorry that kids can really uh get on 401 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: there and learn learning a fun way about financial education. 402 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: It's Almo, sounds like this was script to give your kids. 403 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Come in, we're talking about kids. I know that you've 404 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: gotten guys like Jack Banner involved in, Stefan to it, 405 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: and Will Alan, so you're you are making a connection 406 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: with members of the current Steelers team. Yes, I talked 407 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: to those guys, Zack and Stefan and they were on 408 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: board with it. We uh we had time of She 409 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: did her pitch with those guys and they loved it. 410 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: So I'm glad that that. I'm excited that they're on board. 411 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're all going to be a part 412 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: of it. I've also reached out to Max Stocks. He's 413 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: gonna be one of our founders. Old on kids, we 414 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: can't play that. I've reached out to Max, and I'm 415 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: probably gonna try to get everybody out know on the team, 416 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: from former players and new players everybody in between, to 417 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: just try to uh make this thing that as successful 418 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: as possible. That last thing for you, James m glad 419 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: we got a chance to see part of your family. 420 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: You know, you alluded to this very early when we 421 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: began our discussion about one of the reasons you wanted 422 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: to come to Pittsburgh. Um. And I've recently read some 423 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: comments from current Steeler players and former Steeler players with 424 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: the unfortunate passing of Mrs Rooney, Dan's wife, Pat uh, 425 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: and they all said, it really is a family atmosphere 426 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: with the Steelers, And I wonder if you indeed did 427 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: feel that, as Ralph Sinders promised you, Uh, not only 428 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: the Steelers, but the city of Pittsburgh, but the Steelers 429 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: as a family type of organization, including the players, coaches, owners, 430 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: and even the fans. No doubt about it. It was 431 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: definitely a family atmosphere. And uh, you know, it's a 432 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: very sad news when we got the news that Mrs 433 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Rooney passed away, And uh, I felt probably the same 434 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: way as I felt when Mr Rooney passed away. She 435 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: was one of those people. She was always around, she 436 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: was always up beat. We ate dinner with her on 437 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: Saturdays at the hotels, so you know, we spent a 438 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: lot of time around both the family and you know, 439 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure the players still do spend a lot of 440 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: time around the family. So it's definitely that type and 441 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: it's something that makes this team successful and special as 442 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: you are such an inniment cart two of the Steelers 443 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship teams and now a member of the 444 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: Steelers Hall of Honor. James, can't thank you enough for 445 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: your time today. Was great catching up with your great 446 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: chatting with you, and I'm sure all of our viewers 447 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: appreciated and our listeners as well. Thanks so much. That 448 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: was James Ferrier, former Steelers inside linebacker um with Stan 449 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Savereign and the video version of that interview is up 450 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: on Steelers dot com. By the way, you can also 451 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: see that on the Steelers official YouTube channel, so you 452 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: can watch that that little interview as well that the 453 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: Stand did with James Ferrier, who to me was the 454 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: heart and soul of some of those Steeler defenses. Uh, 455 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: you know in the in the two thousand's, you and 456 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: others often say that, and back then I was just 457 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: a fan of the Steelers and you know, paying attention 458 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: to him from a national perspective, you know, wasn't as 459 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: close to the team, but you know we had pounced 460 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: you retired today. It sounds like Ferrier was. He was 461 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: kind of that guy, you know, he was the hammer, 462 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, the guy you had the answer to the 463 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: the Joe Green you know. I mean, I'm sure that 464 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: there's some strong examples in Steeler history and he should 465 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: be right there amongst them. Yeah, he really should. And 466 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: so uh good to hear from James. Always good to 467 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: catch up with him. Very well thoughtful guy. Always was 468 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: good in the locker room as well with that stuff. 469 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: So um, but that is going to do it. For 470 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio, we 471 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: once again asked, if you haven't already subscribe to our channel, 472 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: get those things downloaded right to your phone or whatever 473 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: you listen on. 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