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Speaker 1: two guys that I felt were an awesome fit. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have c J woodrooff on by Skype and I

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Speaker 1: am hoping I'm gonna say your name correctly. Doug Doug

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Speaker 1: Kachi jint It awesome UH is here And to give

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Speaker 1: some accord if you haven't listened to those two episodes, Doug,

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Speaker 1: who's in studio with me, retired Air Force PJ now

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Speaker 1: a physical therapist and the CEO of Resilient Performance Systems.

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Speaker 1: Uh and you also have your own podcast, Resilient Performance Podcast. Correct,

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Speaker 1: I'm not as active as you are, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: to that. A lot great time consuming, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Frank Saint is a guy who was a

427
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Speaker 1: he was a teacher and some type of science, so

428
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Speaker 1: I mean he has a more academic background than someone's

429
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Speaker 1: like someone like Schwartzenegger. Of course, I think though to

430
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Speaker 1: your to your points, see to the kind of what

431
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Speaker 1: you're saying, is that a lot of what we're seeing

432
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: in fitness is not new, it's just old things that

433
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: have been repackaged, like and you know now with like

434
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: social media, everything is a contest for attention. And even

435
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: made the point and that you were like, well, I'm

436
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 1: not like qualified to talk about fitness. The problem is

437
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: like people have made fitness so overcomplicated because it's a

438
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: great way to market yourself, like if you make everything

439
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: such a big deal. Like all fitnesses is figuring out

440
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: like what do you want to physically be able to do,

441
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: and then working backwards for your from your goals, Like

442
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: the gym is just a means to an end. If

443
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Speaker 1: you're even in the military, like if you just want

444
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Speaker 1: to be a good marine or a good soldier, like

445
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: you could do that and not lift a single weight.

446
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: I think lifting weights is an effective way to help

447
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Speaker 1: achieve that end. But every exercise means to an end.

448
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: So where the where the field is a fitness and

449
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: even physical therapy, like you said, c J. With this

450
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 1: whole like you've got the really academically oriented crowd on

451
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: one side and then kind of like more of the

452
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: meat heads on the other. It definitely is somewhere in

453
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Speaker 1: the middle because like the meat heads do things where

454
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: it's like they they're not even remotely theoretically rigorous about

455
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and they make these claims that are

456
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Speaker 1: totally outrageous. But then I see this in PT a lot,

457
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: where there are people who are very research oriented and

458
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: all they do is quote studies. But I wouldn't want

459
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Speaker 1: them to treat me or a family member because they

460
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: don't know how to apply anything. They're so they're so

461
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: into theory and they just split hairs over like every

462
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: word that somebody says that it's like they get lost

463
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: in the minutia, in my opinion, And so you need

464
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Speaker 1: someone who can actually like apply the craft but also

465
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Speaker 1: appreciates the theoretical and the academic aspect of it too,

466
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Speaker 1: and that that's rare in in this day and age

467
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Speaker 1: because everything now like has to be one extreme or

468
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Speaker 1: the other. And how you kind of, you know, cater

469
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Speaker 1: to your echo chamber is to kind of say one

470
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Speaker 1: thing and have a really really strong message. But a

471
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Speaker 1: lot of the stuff is about trial and error and

472
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Speaker 1: nuance and uncertainty, and so whenever someone like claims to

473
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Speaker 1: have the through one way or the other, like I

474
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of run away from those people because it's like, oh, yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: we live in a gray area and that's the that

476
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Speaker 1: And it's hard because I think that people. I think

477
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Speaker 1: it's scary for people. I've really tried to spend time

478
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Speaker 1: tackling this, this concept of why do we need such

479
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: hard lines all the time? And this is politics, is religion,

480
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: this is like you name it, but we have to

481
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Speaker 1: have these these quote unquote objective truths. And the only

482
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: thing I can come to is that people must be

483
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Speaker 1: fearful of not being able to stand on solid ground.

484
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Speaker 1: You know, if the idea of the ground might move, uh,

485
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: is there then then it maybe it provides anxiety and

486
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Speaker 1: maybe that leads to these kind of pockets of tribalism

487
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: or whatever. And uh and when that sucks because it

488
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Speaker 1: leaves you completely devoid of being able to grow in

489
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Speaker 1: advance and adapt. You know. Um, it's just it's it's

490
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Speaker 1: a tricky world we live in, man. And you know,

491
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Speaker 1: I was listening to what you were saying about like

492
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Speaker 1: the application. One of the things I tell my clients

493
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Speaker 1: all the time is because I look, I'm big on

494
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Speaker 1: if we're going through a dead lift, I want to

495
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: really give you more detail than you probably would expect

496
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Speaker 1: about something as simple as a dead lift. I really

497
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: want to show you, uh, the deeper understanding of it. Now,

498
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Speaker 1: with that said that, the unfortunate tradeoff is is that

499
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Speaker 1: some folks that are real O C D about like,

500
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, really getting it right, that turns into this

501
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 1: this forfeiting of of effort to try to be perfect right,

502
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, that's the pretentious guy that's quoting studies

503
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Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's like, well, so I always remind them.

504
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's the thing that the bros got right.

505
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Speaker 1: They fucking worked hard, you know what I mean. I'm like,

506
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Speaker 1: you cannot sacrifice that for anything. So, you know, it

507
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: was something I wanted to ask both of you guys,

508
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: since you you've had such a um just versatile background

509
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Speaker 1: after your military careers. Now in the fitness world, is

510
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Speaker 1: there something CJ. You would change about the fitness regiment

511
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Speaker 1: of the Marines And and for you Doug in the

512
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Speaker 1: Air Force go first a hunterd percent. I mean, well,

513
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Speaker 1: now keep in mind I got out in two thousand

514
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Speaker 1: intent so things I think they've already are starting to change.

515
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Speaker 1: The whatever the the p f T standards or whatever

516
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Speaker 1: are like I think they're doing, like the M o

517
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Speaker 1: can and so I don't want to speak for the

518
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Speaker 1: current state of the Marine Corps, but when I was

519
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: in you know, the three mile run, the pull ups

520
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: to sit ups, it's kind of like to me as

521
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: a as a finished professional. Now I look at it

522
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: like like the combine in football, Right, congratulations, you can

523
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: do to a bunch of times. What does that fucking

524
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: matter to being a wide receiver? Um, It's it's interesting

525
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: to me, right, Like I get the standardization, but it's

526
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't really make sense to the sport, the specificity

527
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: of the sport that we're playing. Right in the military now,

528
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's easy, right, because the military is complex,

529
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Speaker 1: but the the least likely thing that's going to happen

530
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Speaker 1: is you need to run three miles in shorts, you

531
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, so, what exactly am my

532
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: training for in general? Is it just general fitness? And

533
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: and why why is that such a base? So for me,

534
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: I think more of a diverse kind of heights used

535
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Speaker 1: the word cross fit, you know, it's it's just a

536
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: brand that everybody you know, but some sort of I

537
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: would say an aerobic capacity meets uh, you know, a

538
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: little bit of strength training and some aerobic endurance like,

539
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: but a diverse style of training would be my suggestion.

540
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: And then also just to speak of this, the standards

541
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Speaker 1: of being a fat body or not. Right, Like the

542
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: military has the you know, if you're obese or whatever

543
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Speaker 1: number one they do. I think it's height weight for

544
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Speaker 1: so B M I, which is which is trash right,

545
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a d eighty pounds at five ft nine.

546
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm obese or overweight at least so, so then

547
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: they go to tape measurements though, to see if you're

548
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, what's your waist is or whatever. Even that

549
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: though doesn't like the circumference of your arm doesn't tell

550
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: you if it's a fat arm or not. So I

551
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: think there are some old school things within the fitness

552
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: regiment that definitely need to be revisited, if they haven't already.

553
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I love the the NFL Combine analogy, and I'm gonna

554
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: get there and because actually, like the military is turning

555
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: into the NFL Combine now. Um. But first of all, people,

556
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Speaker 1: a lot of the tests that the military does, like

557
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: they're admittedly not good tests, but it's just because like

558
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Speaker 1: the logistics, if you have a battalion of hundreds of marines, Like,

559
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: are you gonna have this really scientific specific tests. No,

560
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: It's like we can get two people to run around

561
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: a track or around a you know whatever, do a

562
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: running course. They can do push ups, get a bunch

563
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Speaker 1: of pull up bars. So a lot of these tests

564
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Speaker 1: are driven by logistical constraints in and this is just

565
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Speaker 1: me talking in my ideal world after selection there, especially

566
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Speaker 1: like in a soft unit where it's smaller and more decentralized,

567
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have an annual PT test because there's

568
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: already so many objectives that you have to cover that

569
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Speaker 1: if you're doing the right job specific training, you should

570
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: know if you're physically prepared, Like if you're doing a

571
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: full mission profile with a long infill and a lot

572
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: of kit and like you're not falling out and you're

573
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Speaker 1: keeping up with whatever the standard is for how fast

574
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Speaker 1: do you want your team to do a tactical movement,

575
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: then you're good. If you're like a PJ and you're

576
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: dragging litters and you're keeping up with the team or

577
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: whatever the standard is, Like, you shouldn't have to do

578
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: some physical test in the gym. That's totally tangential to

579
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. The problem with the military is it's

580
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: a large organization, and the military is not okay with decentralization,

581
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: so they they'll have these objective tests that like, you know,

582
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Speaker 1: it's a minimum standard, and it allows a commander or

583
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: whoever to say, look, we're prepared, when really it's like this,

584
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Speaker 1: being able to run three miles mean that you're physically prepared.

585
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Probably not. So, like I said, with the right job

586
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: specific training, you should already know, and then guys can

587
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: just do whatever they want in the gym or on

588
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: their own as long as they're meeting that team standard

589
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: and they have the right you know, like full mission

590
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: profiles and and job and scenario based training. What the

591
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: soft community particular is doing is there's so much scrutiny

592
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Speaker 1: on like what's the best PT test, which I think

593
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: is the wrong question, because again, the test is just

594
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: one more box to check. It's almost like doing your

595
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: annual government credit card training or you're you know, like

596
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: whatever the thing is to kind of like keep you

597
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: qualified just so you can justify your worth to the commanders.

598
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: But so the like I know, the Air Force in particular,

599
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: they've been fixating on this PT test for years, and

600
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: they've spent millions of dollars hiring these think tanks to

601
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Speaker 1: research like what's the best test and at least now

602
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: what what they've come up with is almost to a

603
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: t the NFL combine because they hire people like they'll

604
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: hire like you know, NFL strength coaches are people who

605
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: are working in pro sports and they're bias and their

606
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: lens through which they look at fitness is the NFL

607
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: or the NBA. So the guys, most of them have

608
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: never been in combat. So it's right. And I'm not

609
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: even saying you have to be in combat to understand,

610
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: because you you can. You can be a good like

611
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: trainer and evaluate that the needs of the job and

612
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: come to a good conclusion without having done it yourself.

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00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: Like they're there are good coaches like Bill Belichick didn't

614
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, but he knows how to coach.

615
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: So I don't want to be self righteous and be like, well,

616
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: if you're not in the military, you can never do it.

617
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: But so they hire this think tank and what they

618
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: came up with was basically the NFL in mind, but

619
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: it's done, and it's done in cammies and boots. So

620
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: like they're doing a five ten five, like a pro

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Speaker 1: agility drill, a forty yard dash, three yard shuttle, like

622
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: like literally all these things that like I haven't even

623
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: really been validated in team sports, but they just they

624
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: literally added cameas and boots and like so one of

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00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the test is a deadlift, which I think a deadlift

626
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: could actually be a decent test if you're going to

627
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: have a test, but like they're one of the stipulations

628
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: is that it's done in boots. Like that really makes

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Speaker 1: a difference that you're gonna make someone deadlift in combat boots. Um. So,

630
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: like that's what they've come up with, after millions of

631
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: dollars later, we've got an idea. We take what football

632
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: is doing and we do it in camies got it right,

633
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: and then and then they might have they might have

634
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: added like a like a rug to it. But like

635
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: to your points, even in the NFL, like you get

636
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: there's a point where like you're fast enough to play

637
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: the receiver in the NFL, and then it's about football

638
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: specific skill. So like I wouldn't if I was an

639
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Speaker 1: NFL GM, I wouldn't draft a receiver that ran a

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Speaker 1: five oh forty. But really like whether someone runs a

641
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Speaker 1: four or five or four or three shouldn't be influencing

642
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: your decision at all, to be like looking at the

643
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: film and watching them actually play the game or play

644
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: the sport. So, um, this is a really controversial and

645
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: problematic issue even in the military because they've put millions

646
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: of dollars into it, and the best that can come

647
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: up with right now is pretty much the NFL combine

648
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: wearing combat boots. So it could definitely be better. Even now,

649
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: what I'm wondering, why wouldn't they Why wouldn't the military

650
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: hire someone like you? And it's not just to talk

651
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: up what you do, but you have the background, you've

652
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: been there. I would think you'd you'd kind of be

653
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the guy that they would go to or something like that. Well,

654
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I'm not like, I'm not a

655
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: savvy government contractor, which like that's a huge part of this,

656
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: right because to procure a government contract that's worth millions

657
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: of dollars, like, you have to know the system and

658
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you have to have an infrastructure in place to be

659
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: able to procure the contract. And then the military just

660
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: they want they want unnecessary complication, Like my ship would

661
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: be so simple I could be like like, literally, I'll

662
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Speaker 1: write a blog post and just do this, you know,

663
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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't need to be like I said, if

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Speaker 1: they're up to me, especially like a soft community, there

665
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a test after selection. It would like

666
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: if you have the right culture of accountability. That's the

667
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: easiest thing to do is to be physically prepared, whether

668
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: like you've spent enough range time, you've jumped enough. That's

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00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the hard part, right, Like being in shape is like

670
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: literally anyone can do that. If I was going to

671
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: have a test, it would be probably like pull ups

672
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: with you know, twenty or thirty pounds of extra weight

673
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: in an lb. Every test would be past fail. There

674
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: will be no point scale because once you're fit enough,

675
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: if you have a point scale, now you incentivize people

676
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: to chase these arbitrary standards that actually don't help you

677
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: and could be harmful. So if being able to do

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Speaker 1: like eight pull ups is all you need to be

679
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: to do the job competently, being able to do thirty

680
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: or trying to do thirty is actually going to detract

681
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: from things you should be spending time on, which is

682
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: your job. So it would be some kind of a

683
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: weighted pull up test. It would be probably like a

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Speaker 1: trap are deadlift where you pick up say three pounds

685
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and then walk with it for a hundred feet to

686
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: simulate picking up a litter and walking with it, which

687
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: is very task specific. And then I'd probably have for

688
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Speaker 1: aerobic fitness, something you could standardize like a treadmill test

689
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Speaker 1: where you put it up to incline where your full

690
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: combat load like seventy pounds, have a predetermined speed and duration.

691
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: And again it would be past fail. And like that

692
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: would literally be the test. Like those three things, there

693
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: will be no running around and chasing cones and doing

694
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Speaker 1: things that even in testing have a high potential for injury.

695
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: But don't tell you anything, because the military is about

696
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: now collecting data sometimes like for its own sake. You

697
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: can collect data, doesn't mean that it's worthwhile data Like great,

698
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: you have information, but how are you applying it? And

699
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: even when the military hired these think tanks to quote

700
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: unquote validate the test, all they did was they just

701
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: ran a bunch of operators through what they think is

702
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: a good test, collected data and said now we validated

703
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: our test. All you did was you just collected arbitrary

704
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: data to really validate a test, you would have to

705
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Speaker 1: have a gold standard, and there's no gold standard for

706
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: military fitness because the gold standard is doing the job,

707
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: which is very hard to quantify. But is every mission

708
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: is different. So so it's actually a lot of I'm

709
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: curious if like you do so I You're He's absolutely right.

710
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: The thing about specificity is it's more specific than people

711
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: want to think, right. Um. It's like the way that

712
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: I always put it is like you might be able

713
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: to skateboard real good. It doesn't mean you can snowboard.

714
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can surf, right Like. Specificity is

715
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Speaker 1: a very particular uh efficiency in that you think the

716
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: central nervous system to the profile nervous system to action

717
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: potential that like, there's so much that goes into that

718
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: that that essentially we're training ourselves to be good at

719
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: a particular thing. Uh, Lance, I'm trying got good at

720
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: the bike for by riding the fucking bike, not running right, Um, well,

721
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm maybe doing a little gear whatever, but but so no,

722
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: but you know so, So it's interesting though, because within training,

723
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: like I obviously do a lot of programming for people,

724
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: and one of the hardest things on the planet to

725
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: program for our folks that are interested in like cross

726
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: fit or that kind of cross train, the new genre

727
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: of cross training, because like, how exactly do I do

728
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: an undulated or linear peritization model for somebody that essentially

729
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: finds out the workout the day before and it could

730
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Speaker 1: be swimming, or it could be running, or it could

731
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Speaker 1: be climbing, or it could you know, And so like

732
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: the best you're stuck with is this kind of random

733
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: periodization and like maybe some structure within there. It's like

734
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: you kind of map your clean and jerk, but like

735
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, And I think the military is subjects

736
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: of the same issue, right, It's like it's too complex.

737
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Like like you said, I like the idea of taking

738
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: away the scoring and just saying passer fail, Like here's

739
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean Like that, that's that's beautiful.

740
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: I also think it might get rid of some of

741
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy within there if you think, like these units

742
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: are trying to be like the best PT units and

743
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: there's so much emphasis and energy that goes into that,

744
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: and it's horseship, right, what you're saying makes total sense

745
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: to me. I could actually just apply to what I

746
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: do in radio, So I am not people assume, oh,

747
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: your radio guy. I am not the most tech savvy guy.

748
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: So we got all this equipment for the podcast. When

749
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: we were at the old studio, they had it all

750
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, and put all this together, Like, I

751
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: have no fucking clue how to put all this stuff together.

752
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Once it's in front of me, I know how to

753
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: work it. But you know, I went to Hopster University

754
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: for radio. I learned about the formatics of radio working

755
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: aboard all of that great stuff. But there are people

756
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: who are much more savvy on computers. And and you're

757
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: talking about two different things that are in the same realm,

758
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: or several different things in the same realm. And and

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying about specificity definitely uh resonates

760
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: with me. But yeah, I think a good analogy to

761
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: use even for training, like a like a CrossFit thing,

762
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: because the idea that like the military is so kind

763
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: of chaotic that you can't prepare for it. Well, the

764
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: military does it all the time. So like, as you know,

765
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: in a soft unit, like you've got to be dive qualified,

766
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: free fall qualified, to your tactics, your medicine, all these

767
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: different things. So and even in like m m A right,

768
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: like m A. Now you've got to be competent in

769
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: striking and groundwork and submissions and wrestling and transitions. So

770
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: the way that you trained for it is you basically

771
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: try to figure out, like what individual skills are your

772
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: week at, and then in different parts of the year

773
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: you might prioritize different areas, and then as you get

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: closer to your deployment or your competition or your you know,

775
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: your match, then you kind of do like your full

776
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: mission profiles. You're sparring. So you've got to train some

777
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: of the components individually to develop them, and then once

778
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: you kind of have the individual pieces, then you can

779
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: kind of combine them. But the differences to be like

780
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: to compete in the CrossFit Games, that is that is

781
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: elite sport. It's like being in the NBA or the NFL.

782
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to be have a cross Fit Games

783
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: level of fitness to even be in a soft unit.

784
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: And that's where people get confused, Like the military loves

785
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: to puppets own tires and say, well, like like you said,

786
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: it's a point of pride to have like the highest

787
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: PT standards. But once once people get through selection. To me,

788
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're doing your job, you're fine. Like

789
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: the guys in the NBA right now who are in

790
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they're not like being withheld from games because

791
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: they can't do a certain number of push ups, are

792
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: denied a certain amount of weight. Right, It's like they're

793
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: they're playing in the games. And if you're putting up

794
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: numbers and you're helping your team win, then you're playing.

795
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: I'll throw one one wrench into this for you, because

796
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: this is would be my one caveat to what I

797
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: think all of your suggestions that and I think all

798
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: the exercises you mentioned would be would be legitimate, like

799
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: good replacements. My only issue with like, let's say that

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Speaker 1: the Marine Corps an example, keeps the standardization exactly where

801
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: it is, and and really that's all it is, right,

802
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Like it just just can you run three miles? Can

803
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: you do pull ups? Can you do set ups? Okay,

804
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm with that. The problem that I got is three

805
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: miles at slow, steady pace or this whole idea of

806
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: like what we have with these kind of long distance

807
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: ends up to actually leading to more injuries, which which

808
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I think negatively affects us as a whole. So at

809
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: the very least, I think we should at least try

810
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to address the fact that, like it needs to be

811
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Speaker 1: a fitness test, that it practically makes sense to not

812
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: hurting people like boots and youths for a five mile run.

813
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: Is I mean that is the best way to fund

814
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Speaker 1: somebody's back or knees or well, actually I'm preaching of

815
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the here, dude, I got the like, I totally agree, man.

816
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. When you when you test something,

817
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: you incentivize people to prepare for that test. So if

818
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: you're making long distance running a test, people are going

819
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: to train for that test. And to me, long distance

820
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: running in a military community, like the everything has a

821
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: risk and a reward, but like the upside for what

822
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get and what what you're risking with that

823
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: orthopedic cost of all that cumulative running, to me is

824
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Speaker 1: not worth it because the job itself is inherently stressful enough.

825
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: If you're jumping out of planes and doing all these

826
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: things that why are like, why are you subjecting yourself

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Speaker 1: to that orthopedic cost when you don't do long distance running.

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00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: So at least if you're walking up hill on a treadmill.

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Speaker 1: You can justify well, like I actually have to do

830
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: this for my job, right, And that's why I don't

831
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: like the point scale on some of these things, because

832
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: on some of the proposed Air Force tests, it was

833
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: like to max the test, you had to trap our

834
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: deadlift like five pounds three or four times, Like what's once?

835
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: You can do three pounds or three fifty if that's enough.

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Now you're incentivizing someone to take on all this edition

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Speaker 1: a risk to achieve a number that's told the arbitrary,

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: so they could say I max the test. So you

839
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: have to know the psychology of your people, and especially

840
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: like in the military or in a soft unit, no

841
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: one's gonna be content with the minimums. And so if

842
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: you have a point scale, everyone's gonna try to chase

843
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: these arbitrary numbers and there's a cost of doing that.

844
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Speaker 1: Like the people the researchers think that it exists in

845
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: a vacuum because in a study the variables are very controlled,

846
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: But we don't work in a vacuum. We work in

847
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: like they're doing other things that are also stressful to

848
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Speaker 1: their body besides dead lifting. And if you're trying to

849
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Speaker 1: incentivize a pound dead lift. It's coming at a cost

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Speaker 1: that you don't think you can justify. I used to

851
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: say our three mile, our three mile run in the

852
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Speaker 1: Marine Corps, the perfect scores in eighteen eighteen minutes, and

853
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: like he's still to this day, I've been twelve years

854
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: as a Finnished professional. I'm like, that is fucking fast,

855
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, I'm like three. I mean,

856
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not like, I'm not a program.

857
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: I know that people out there listening they were like, yeah, dude,

858
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: that's not that bad. I'm like, look, three consistent six

859
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: minute miles. Like in what I saw marines, average fucking

860
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: marines having to go to try to chase this. It

861
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: was it's a joke, you know what I mean, what

862
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: for a ribbon or some ship? Like what the fuck

863
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: have either of you guys in your practice had to

864
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: prepare someone for any type of military training. Um I was.

865
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I would like sometimes lead some of the fitness like

866
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the you know, the prepackaged fitness to like workouts that

867
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: we would do. But it was just sixteen year old,

868
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: seventeen year old you know, been like hey, I want

869
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: to do what you did. I want to be a marine.

870
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: I So I currently actually, um, I just had a

871
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: consultation with a girl who is wanting to go into

872
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Army basic training and she can't do a push up,

873
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: and so I am working with her. I think that

874
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm essentially, though, like specifically working on the standards that

875
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: she needs to make sure she's going to be able

876
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: to pass within basic training. Though outside of that, I'm

877
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: doing some diversity of things like you're talking about, like

878
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: some of the farmers carry walks and and some different

879
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: things that I think are just great for general fitness mobility.

880
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny going into basic training, I

881
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking like, oh, this is gonna be physically hard.

882
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: At fuck, it was a mind It was a mind fun,

883
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And there were physical aspects that

884
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: were hard, but I would have never thought to train isometrically.

885
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: And half the time the hardest SHIP I did was

886
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: holding my foot, luck over my head or something, you know, stupid.

887
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would have never thought that. I'm like

888
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: jogging and ship thinking this is gonna make me better

889
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: at boot camp? Like no, not even close. What about you, Doug?

890
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: If you had to prepare anybody or quite a bit

891
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: and I always do with the caveat. I'm like, how

892
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: you should train for selection is not how you should

893
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: train once you're selected. I mean, they have to meet

894
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: the standards, right, So I try to balance, like I

895
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: want you to meet the standard, but I also want

896
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: to keep you healthy too, and like train you in

897
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: a way that I think is actually useful besides doing

898
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: a million push ups and a million setups, because again

899
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: those are only tests because they're logistically very easy to do.

900
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't think a one minute push up tests really

901
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: has a lot of diagnostic value. And even things like

902
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: sit ups, like people don't really do sit ups anymore.

903
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: It's not like that much of a thing um, even

904
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: from like a risk reward standpoint, like people can argue, oh,

905
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: it's not that dangerous or it is, but to me,

906
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: it's like when in real life do you ever try

907
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: to go on and off the ground and flex your

908
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: trunk repeatedly? There's other ways to like train the core

909
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: if you want to call if that's the word you

910
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: want to use. But so if you're being tested on it,

911
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: I've got to prepare you. So I try to balance, like,

912
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: all right, we want you to meet the standards and

913
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: do well and not just skate by where then you're

914
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: one of those people that has is under the microscope,

915
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: but also train you for the long term as well.

916
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a balancing because you know, we

917
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: don't get to make the standards. They are what they are,

918
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: and you've got to get ready for it. Yeah, that's true,

919
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, and it is what it is. It's

920
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: like you said with this girl, I'm like, like I

921
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I almost kind of cringe a little bit that I've

922
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: got to like really make you proficient at like these

923
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of like what I think to be, you know,

924
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: just silly things. But I'm like, it is what it is.

925
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: You got you know, Actually, you know how I feel

926
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: is um I teach a personal training certification school, so

927
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: I currently certified trainers. We have like an affiliation within

928
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: a s M, and so training trainers is an interesting

929
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: thing for me because obviously, being a very passionate fitness professional,

930
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: I want them to get practical advice that is going

931
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: to make them good trainers in the field, that's going

932
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: to make them successful. But I also have to teach

933
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: them to pass the goddamn in a s M test.

934
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like I gotta teach you this op

935
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: T model. And I'm not saying it's the worst in

936
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: the world, but I'm like, this is a cookie cutter

937
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: linear peritization cycle that is lacks any Like if you

938
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: had somebody doing stabilization and balance for six weeks, you're

939
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna lose that fucking client, you know what I mean.

940
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's just not real life. But but

941
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: it's like you've got to know this for the test.

942
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: So and this is not I mean, this is not

943
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: unique to our field. Right, Like if you talk to

944
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: any teacher, it's the same thing. Every teacher is trying

945
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: to balance. We need these kids to pass the standardized

946
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: test at some bureaucrat who's totally disconnected creative. But I

947
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: also want my kids to like learn useful things. But

948
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: if you don't get them to pass the test, then

949
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your job, and then the kid's parents

950
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: are gonna be mad at you. You're trying to chase Like, well,

951
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: we all got into these professions because we want people

952
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: to actually learn things that are useful, whether it's you know,

953
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: math or fitness stuff for physical therapy. But at the

954
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: same time, like we have you know, these top down

955
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: initiatives that are telling us that we have to meet

956
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: certain standards, and it's always a balancing act. Like no

957
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: one it's not unique to any one field, right, Yeah.

958
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: What's interesting is how I think that we're you know,

959
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I I see a mixed bag, like in personal training anyway,

960
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: But um, I feel like there's a lot of folks

961
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: that are really good at being students now, you know,

962
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: like like there are a lot of really like it's

963
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: always the folks that they you know, they've got the degree.

964
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love my wife to death, I

965
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: really do. She's an amazing human being. She is a

966
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: she's good at being a student. You know, she's got

967
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: the degrees, she's got the but rarely actually uses them,

968
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: right Because there is this this distinct separation between practicality

969
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: and being able to be a good student. And I

970
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: and I find it to be interesting. And I wonder

971
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: how the market event like our you know, when you

972
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: go into a job interview nowadays, is is it more

973
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: of a conversation about degrees or or are we going

974
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: back to the days where like, you know, experience and

975
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: just just practical street smarts if you will matter more.

976
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: Um I feel like we're in a weird, muddled up

977
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: place right now. Yeah, especially because there's so many guys

978
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: with jobs, um, who they don't teach in school. And

979
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I would even say, for me, I have a degree

980
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: in radio, but at the time where I went to

981
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: school for radio, podcasting was barely a thing. I barely

982
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: ever heard of it, And this is how I'm making

983
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: a career now. Now. I'm sure they're incorporating that into

984
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: education now, but there's plenty of people who work in

985
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: this field who did not get any type of degree

986
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: in radio, nor any education in podcasting, because it still

987
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: is kind of in its infancy. So I know exactly

988
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You can connected with many things, Um.

989
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: The last thing I was wondering that I wanted to

990
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: get into with both of you guys, and we kind

991
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: of hit on it before we're recording. You were saying

992
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: CJ that you were thinking of going the physical therapy

993
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: route when you offer the Marines, but ended up going

994
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: the route that you did. What would you suggest to

995
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: people getting out of the military, which I'm sure there's

996
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: many of them listening who are passionate about fitness and

997
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: want to make this career a career in some way

998
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: the way both of you have. Man, I'm interested to see, uh,

999
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: I see what you think about it. So I I'm

1000
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I I have a hard

1001
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: time swallowing the pill of the UM. I think the

1002
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: the the education system that is set up, like like

1003
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, to go through and get these high level degrees,

1004
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: and and and the the porshit that you have to

1005
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: deal with the money you have to spend. Half of

1006
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: these people end up in debt somehow. Uh. You know,

1007
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: I think about my wife. You went to a private school,

1008
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, went to Baylor. She has a sports of

1009
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: Sports science bachelor's degree that we're probably gonna be paying

1010
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: on for who knows how, who knows how long. UM,

1011
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that I want to I

1012
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: want to say like like somebody, you know, like, hey, yeah,

1013
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: go go chase after a degree so you can get

1014
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: like a you know, a PT job and you know

1015
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: you'll have certain opportunities that will open up for you.

1016
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: And then as somebody that didn't take that route, that

1017
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: went the fifteen week certification route and then became an

1018
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: entrepreneur and my second year as a trainer had a

1019
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: six figure income. It's hard for me to suggest the latter,

1020
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, with that said, I

1021
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: think that you also have to separate the passion side

1022
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: of it. What I had that come to the reason

1023
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: I didn't go PET had nothing to do with school though. Um.

1024
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: The reason I didn't go PET was because I had

1025
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: to really have a hard, like honest conversation with myself

1026
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: what specific arena in fitness and my passionate about like

1027
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: what type of people do I want to work with?

1028
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: And I realized that I wasn't really interested in rehabbing

1029
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: people or working with people that are broken. That's obviously

1030
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: no offense to people that's it's fucking amazing. It's kind

1031
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: of like school teachers, Like I'm not great with working

1032
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: with kids, but there are people that are fucking amazing

1033
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: at working with kids. I just got to be real

1034
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: with myself and say that's not me. Um, what I liked.

1035
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: I was passionate about taking somebody that's healthy individual and

1036
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: seeing how far we could take it. It's like, let's

1037
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: let's let's see if we can catch this motherfucker on fire,

1038
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like build a hot rod.

1039
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: And so that's where personal training just was an organic

1040
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: fit for me, right, Like I didn't need to be

1041
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: a physical therapist to do that. Um. And also for me,

1042
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: I also recognized that I was I was good at talking.

1043
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: That was a good uh you know people person naturally

1044
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: more of an influencer. It was easy for me to

1045
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: fit the entrepreneurial slash personal training world right. Um. So

1046
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if that really

1047
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: helps a hund percent, but I will tell you know,

1048
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: most folks that personal training would be at least even

1049
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: if you end up going PC, personal training would be

1050
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: an easy introduction that would be low cost for you

1051
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: to get to know whether or not this industry is

1052
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: for you. So that'd be my two cents on it.

1053
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: There's uh. I'm gonna answer this in a roundabout way

1054
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: because I love the points that you made about academia

1055
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: and I still think that the best way to learn

1056
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: most things is through the apprenticeship model, not by sitting

1057
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: in a classroom. So part of the reason even why

1058
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: I went to physical therapy school, it is not because

1059
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: the information I learned in the classroom is so valuable.

1060
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: It's because it granted me access to people who are

1061
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: working in the kinds of settings that I wanted to

1062
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: work in, and I had four months of unlimited access

1063
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: where I was basically they're sponge and it's it's like podcasting,

1064
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: like you can read about it in textbook, but you

1065
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: probably got better at it by watching somebody do it

1066
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: and then you figured it out, right, um, and that's

1067
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: why and and by the way, doing it yourself. And

1068
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: and you probably have the same thing with recording yourself.

1069
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: I listened to every podcast and and I say, I

1070
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: hate that I did this, I hate the way I

1071
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: said this, and and being you know, critical of yourself,

1072
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: which it plays into exactly what you're saying, that you

1073
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: can't learn that in a book, right, And and so

1074
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: even this idea now, like this whole free college movement,

1075
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: I actually think it's a terrible idea because it perpetuates

1076
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: the notion that you can only be validated through these

1077
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: academic institutions. It gives them the monopoly on like where

1078
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: the gatekeepers to everything, Like what is college really making

1079
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: you good at? It's making a lot of people wealthy

1080
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: at these institutions, but they've become echo chambers, and I

1081
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: don't think they're the best places for learning Anyway, maybe

1082
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: this is just me too and a sidebar here, but

1083
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: it's also very I think, in coming from a guy

1084
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: in New York and you too, kind of coastal elitist,

1085
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: because some of the highest paying jobs are patroleum engineers

1086
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: and stuff that you can get an apprenticeship for if

1087
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: you're in a certain part of the country. I mean,

1088
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: those are high risk jobs, but you don't have to

1089
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: go to college to do that, right And but I

1090
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: mean in most places you need now even a graduate.

1091
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a law degree and it

1092
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee you a great living these days, which is

1093
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: why what c J did is so unique. I mean,

1094
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: I think that really answered the question, like you've got

1095
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: to figure out what is it that you actually want

1096
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: to do, and then you know it's not perfect, but

1097
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: try to find people who are doing it and model

1098
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: yourself after them. I mean, I I want to pt

1099
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: route because I wanted to be able to even though

1100
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: I actually kind of identify more as like a performance

1101
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: oriented person, like a trainer. I wanted to be able

1102
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: to have oversight over that whole process. Um. So, like

1103
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: if we're working with an athlete, especially a high level one,

1104
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: most of them have pretty extensive injury histories, and even

1105
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: if you're not rehabbing them acutely, it helps to have

1106
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: or rehab background to understand how to train them at

1107
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: a higher stage. Um and it's just going to physical

1108
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: therapy school gave me a little bit more like a

1109
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: biomechanical and a physiological background that I think ultimately made

1110
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: me better as a practitioner. But my situation was also

1111
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: unique because like I knew that I didn't join the

1112
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: military to get the post nine eleven g I bill.

1113
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was the thing, But like,

1114
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm not three grand in debt like my classmates because

1115
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: I got to go to a private school and have

1116
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: the g I bill pay for it. So when people

1117
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: ask me, they're like, well, I kind of want to

1118
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: do what you do, but should I go the trainer route,

1119
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: the massage therapist route, or the PT route. I'm like, well,

1120
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: it depends, like are you thirty years old and do

1121
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: you have a good job, Like do you want to

1122
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: spend the next three day years not making any money

1123
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: and going into debt or are you twenty two you

1124
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: just out of college, where like you're already in debt

1125
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: and now at the time to take on more or

1126
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: like do you even want to take on any more

1127
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: debt at all? I Mean these are things that are

1128
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: very individualized, but you've got to start with like what

1129
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: is it that you actually want to do, and then

1130
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like if it's if it's a

1131
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: if you need a medical credential to do that, there's

1132
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: no getting around it. But like you know, you're yeah,

1133
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: I I So what's interesting is like it's interesting you're

1134
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: saying that because you're right, like having your PT background

1135
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: you it opens up a certain doors for you. Like

1136
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: and if if anything, it really um has you shine

1137
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, like like if you were

1138
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: to talk to like say an NFL athlete and it's

1139
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be your performance coach, but I'm also

1140
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: a physical therapist. That that's fucking clutch, right, Like like

1141
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: anybody uh is gonna say like their dick's gonna get

1142
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: hard when they feel like I want to pick that guy? Right,

1143
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Like I get it? Um what I think that And

1144
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: that's something that you have to address in general. Whatever

1145
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: you you end up doing, is that that your resume

1146
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: however you build that. But I actually found a little

1147
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: bit of loophole around that. And it's not to say

1148
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: that obviously I can't prescribe. I can't be the guy

1149
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: to treat or prevent you know, your illness or whatever

1150
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: if you have a torn meniscus or something legally right,

1151
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: but um, what I what I realized, I was like,

1152
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: you know what we have. We live in the information age.

1153
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: I understand this stuff. I basically spent my first like

1154
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: six years as a trainer making every waking moment a

1155
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn, and I constantly was digging. I

1156
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: was following the higher level researchers. I'm trying to uh,

1157
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: but I'm self teaching right now. I don't have it.

1158
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have a piece of paper to back me up.

1159
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: And that sucks because then it's like, well, how do

1160
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: people know that you're smart? Like maybe you are smart,

1161
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: but how do you how do you really? So for me,

1162
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: my hack on that was the fitness modeling, the bodybuilding,

1163
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the influencing. I use the leverages around me to say,

1164
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: you know what, like the booty girl from Instagram kind

1165
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: of has a hack there, right, So that's that's going

1166
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: to be my degree, if you will is is um

1167
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that shakes more hands than the next guy, right, Like,

1168
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: But but I could have gone the degree route. Um,

1169
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, if I was in

1170
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: a better if I was in a situation right now,

1171
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: like I would love to have a PT degree just

1172
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: to say I did it. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1173
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: just say I have it. So um. Yeah, And I

1174
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: didn't even think about the fact that here in Texas,

1175
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: especially if you're a military side up in Texas, you

1176
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: have the the hazel or not the hazel, is that

1177
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: the hazel would act. It's I don't know something essentially

1178
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: like you have unlimited college money basically, so yeah, I

1179
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: guess you won't be going in debt. No, it's a

1180
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: great point. Like the world, I mean, we live in

1181
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: a superficial world where like people are gonna judge you

1182
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: based on the paper. So but you found a way

1183
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, draw people's attention through other means.

1184
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be harder to do that. So that

1185
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: but that's really impressive because you did it. You did

1186
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: it the real way, like the no bullshit way like,

1187
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of especially the more academic type,

1188
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: still feel kind of shipped on people who are like

1189
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: social media influencers and who maybe like probably and have

1190
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: more understandably so though like there's a lot of shitty

1191
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: ones out there, though you know, at the same time

1192
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: it's like they're doing something right that you're not doing.

1193
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Like you can be you can be what the theoretically

1194
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: best practitioner and have the most knowledge, but part of

1195
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: like gaining access to people and being able to apply

1196
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that knowledge is the promotional aspects. So there was a

1197
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: time even in my career where I was like, oh,

1198
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: like these people suck, Like why does this person have

1199
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: this much influence? But it's like all right, like what

1200
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: can I learn from them? Because you can you can

1201
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: be like the comic book guy from Simpsons, where you're

1202
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: like this nihilist and it's like I'm just so much

1203
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: smart than everybody. I'm this misunderstood genius but great, Like

1204
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: you have to be you have to be you have

1205
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: to be relatable and people have to like you. And

1206
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, then it doesn't matter how

1207
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: much you know. So there is no what's cool it's

1208
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: cool about you? And I is like talking because so

1209
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: I I used to say this forever, I'm like, like,

1210
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: the thing is is that we have these different pockets

1211
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: of society, right, and I call them like my people

1212
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: or your people or whatever. Right, It's like, like, we

1213
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: have these different segments of society, and I think that

1214
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: the the only answer to any sort of you know,

1215
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: whatever is wrong within that community is policing ourselves. It's

1216
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: not yelling at the guy across the sense, right. And

1217
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me because I I say, like, I

1218
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: came from the social media influencer back. I came from

1219
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: the millennial of the Facebook millennial, right, Like I'm I'm

1220
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: the the YouTuber, right, So what's interesting is I come

1221
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: at the same way you do, though, but I speak

1222
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: for my people and I kind of come down on

1223
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: influencers a lot where I'm like, congratulations, you're fucking popular.

1224
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. Be smart, you know what I mean,

1225
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: And you're kind of saying it the alternative way, like

1226
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: congratulations you're smart. Yeah. Yeah, I knew this would be

1227
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: an excellent pairing. So kudos to myself. No, this this

1228
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: was this was a great discussion and it flew by

1229
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: and for the audience. It's so funny because I shot

1230
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: an email to both these guys and I was like,

1231
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: what topics are we recover and you guys like, I

1232
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: will come up with it on the fly. And we

1233
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,560
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1235
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,920
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1236
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,920
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1237
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,360
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Speaker 1: And by the way, for those not in the know,

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Speaker 1: we have our own software radio app you can download

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Speaker 1: softwarep radio dot com where you can listen to our

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Speaker 1: full archive of shows, including CJ Show. These lights keep

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Speaker 1: fading on me. I don't know why c J Show

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Speaker 1: and the show that we did with Doug and Jack

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Speaker 1: where we kind of got more into your Air Force

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Speaker 1: PJA background, in your combat background. Um, and you know what.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I want to cover here because someone

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Speaker 1: sent it to me and I thought this was worth mentioning.

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Speaker 1: A listener actually messaged me on the softwap radio page

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Speaker 1: and sent me this article. So this UH woman's Army

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Speaker 1: Air Corps officer and World War Two veteran. She's turning

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Speaker 1: one years old. Sarah Parsons UH is turning one hundred

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, April, and according to a post on the

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Never Forgotten Honor Flights Facebook page, she said that she's,

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Speaker 1: you know, setting this challenge to have, as she puts it,

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Speaker 1: bazillions of birthday cards. So I think it's well worth it.

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Speaker 1: An original Women's Army Air Corps officer in World War

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Speaker 1: Two veteran. So if you want to write this down

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Speaker 1: and send her a card, it's Sarah Parsons, Care of

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Speaker 1: Renewed Liberty to five eight Street South, number one, thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin, five four four nine four. And this

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Speaker 1: is originally from UM. If you go to w A

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Speaker 1: o W dot com and look up Sarah Parsons, you'll

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Speaker 1: see the article. UM. But yeah, if you want to

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Speaker 1: play that back and write it down, Uh yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's great that we have veterans turning a

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Speaker 1: hundred in this country still, and I sometimes forget that

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Speaker 1: we're the last people who are get to meet some

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Speaker 1: of these people from World War Two. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: met probably a good dozen Holocaust survivors in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I think about, like, for people who have kids,

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Speaker 1: they likely will never meet these people we had on

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Speaker 1: the pod catched Captain Jerry Yellen, who flew the last

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Speaker 1: combat flight over Japan and World War Two. He's gone now.

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Speaker 1: We had were one of the guys who was there

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Speaker 1: on Poor Pearl Harbor on the podcast. He's no longer

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Speaker 1: with us. So these guys are and women are not

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Speaker 1: going to be with us for much longer, so you

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Speaker 1: really got to cherish our time with them. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually had an opportunity with Zero Bunker to meet

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Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Don Graves, and he

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Speaker 1: was standing on Sarah Bacchi when they raised the flag,

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's like, I mean, just to be

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Speaker 1: in the same room with a human being like that

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Speaker 1: is just unreal to me. You know. Yeah, I felt

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Speaker 1: that it's just a great honor. And if you get

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Speaker 1: a chance to meet these people, go for it. And

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Speaker 1: and it's more than getting you know, a selfie with them.

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Speaker 1: Get their experiences and they have a great story to tell,

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Speaker 1: but get the selfie too. Yes, sure, um, says the

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Speaker 1: social media influencer. So Doug's website is Resilient Performance dot com.

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Speaker 1: Your personal Twitter is green feet pet. If you go

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Speaker 1: to Resilient Performance dot com, it's got the Instagram and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I know for Resilient Performance, and the podcast uh c

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Speaker 1: J is on Instagram. You're mainly just two Instagram right, Well,

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Speaker 1: could is there any way I could like? So I like,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want here, this is your this is your

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Speaker 1: gene Simmons a moment. Yeah, he was probably gonna. I figured,

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Speaker 1: I figured, this is the time where you shout out

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Speaker 1: like our our Instagram handles and stuff. And I totally

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, but I actually wanted to if I can so.

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Speaker 1: My my wife, my amazingly talented wife, is a professional

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Speaker 1: singer and she's really trying to get recognized. She's very,

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Speaker 1: very good. I don't say that lightly like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people say they're good. She's stupid good. But she's

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Anna official on Instagram. And if you go to YouTube,

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Speaker 1: we have actually been putting together. She was a professional

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Speaker 1: music video. So just put in Lindsay Anne cover or

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Ane cover song and we're doing currently covers. But

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Speaker 1: anybody listening this far, please go check her out, like

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Speaker 1: give her the love. Like I'm good on followers right now,

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Speaker 1: but you know, and you follow me too. It's a

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Speaker 1: N N or a N N E. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's Lindsay with the A Y and a N N official.

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Speaker 1: This is the ultimate millennial act of chivalry right here. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly right. I should be wearing like the dog, like

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Speaker 1: the dog knows in the years right now. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I will give out CJ's Instagram which is at c

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Speaker 1: J woodwroof Official on Instagram. Uh, and what what's your

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Speaker 1: YouTube page if people want to check that out. I

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Speaker 1: think it's also c J would refer Actually, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's just c J would. I think I actually got

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Speaker 1: the just CJ would, so YouTube forwards last c J would.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with everybody, I have not been consistent

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Speaker 1: on my YouTube uploads, but I have a fun ton

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Speaker 1: of blogs you can go back through and watch. So

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Speaker 1: what stuff are you going to do in the future,

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Speaker 1: because I know you were doing some podcast stuff. The

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Speaker 1: last time you were on you were doing the stuff

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Speaker 1: with Zero Bunker, which was similar to this podcast. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so so Zero Is kind of made some changes and

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Speaker 1: so they stopped doing the podcast. I be honestly, man,

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Speaker 1: like I went through a weird phase, like I think

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Speaker 1: I said on the last like a podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: was trying to like really find like I was trying

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Speaker 1: to really get reinvigorated about stuff, you know, and so

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Speaker 1: that kind of led to a lot of inconsistency with

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Speaker 1: posting and trying stuff and like realizing like it's not

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Speaker 1: really for me, and I have such a great group

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Speaker 1: of followers. Oh man, like the these subscribers and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I just like, I swear I could just post, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up and people like, yeah, man, that's awesome, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and so they're they're amazing. I just I do

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Speaker 1: feel a little guilty because I want to get more

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Speaker 1: consistent on it. And so I just recently got back

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Speaker 1: into the fitness world. Um, I actually started a company

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Speaker 1: called Savage Coaching, and I'm gonna be honestly, it's very

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Speaker 1: much in the infancy right now, but imagine fucked up

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Speaker 1: savage memes meets high level academic fitness. That's basically what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing. And uh so I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna ensue a series of probably vlogs and educational content.

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Speaker 1: And I've got a whole lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff and actually have a team of people I'm working

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Speaker 1: with on this. So it's gonna be a big, big

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Speaker 1: we gotta we got an app. Uh it's a huge

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Speaker 1: project X. But I hate to like send anybody over

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Speaker 1: there just yet because I'm like, we it's so new

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Speaker 1: that we're still like there's a lot of infrastructure we

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Speaker 1: need to work on though. Cool Well, I'm sure people

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Speaker 1: follow you on Instagram as that's as its progresses, you'll

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Speaker 1: let them know. Um, but that's really it. Have a

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Speaker 1: great weekend, everybody. And oh, I'm about to hold it

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Speaker 1: up and I we don't even have video for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but in front of me, I do have Murphy's Law.

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Speaker 1: Pick up Murphy's Law by Jack Murphy. It's out this

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Speaker 1: coming week. So that's why I'll be back in New York.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back next podcast. I've started the book. It's excellent.

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Speaker 1: It's getting great reviews so far from the people who

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Speaker 1: got advanced copies. And all I could say, because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away, I was telling Doug

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Speaker 1: one story in the book before we recorded. It is

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Speaker 1: basically as candidate as it gets. If you're a fan

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Speaker 1: of like Jocko Willing laif fab in the Extreme Ownership book.

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Speaker 1: This is in that same category and even credits Chris

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Speaker 1: Ferronto near the end of the book because Chris talks

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Speaker 1: about the times that he fucked up, in the times

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Speaker 1: that he did things wrong, and Jack was inspired by

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Speaker 1: that to not do a book of look how awesome

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Speaker 1: I am, Look how badass I am. He does get

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Speaker 1: in detail about all the times that he he didn't

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Speaker 1: do things the way he should have. And it took

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Speaker 1: a lot of balls to really put that paper and

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Speaker 1: put it out. And I hope and believe this book

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Speaker 1: will be a giant success on Simon and Schuster. So

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Speaker 1: this is the first book Jack's done that's on a

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Speaker 1: major imprint. He's done several fiction books self published, but

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Speaker 1: I think this will be a big one. Awesome, very cool.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thanks for doing this all right, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having to see all used in listening to self red Radio.

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Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show

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