1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuffman. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio's house. Stuff works. 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: It's time for another feminist movie Friday. We're gonna make 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: this I think so. Wait, this is because it's coming 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: out on Friday night, that we're watching it on Friday. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: It's however it fits into the lives of whoever is listening. Yes, 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: it should accomplish on Fridays. But if you don't watch 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: it on a Friday, that's totally cool. You don't watch it, ever, 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm totally cool listen. Yeah, well no, no, 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: I want to movie. Okay, Well yeah, see, there's a 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of things you could make this work on. However, 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: use about you know what sences we're supposed to be 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: using right now? That seems to be a general confusion 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: we have its been general confused. Um, So I got 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: to choose the last movie for feminist movie Friday, and 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: so this one it was more of a Samantha choice. 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I thought it was a team effort because we were 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: both trying to figure out what movie is Holiday but 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: without being to holiday, right, because, like we talked about 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: in our emotional labor Holiday Aged episode, Samantha's not a 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: big holiday fan. And um, back when I was sort 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: of semi host less, I did a holiday movie overview 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: with my friend Katie. It was mostly Hallmark movies. Hi Katie, 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: she's an expert in those, um, but we thought we'd 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: tackle some lesser discussed holiday movies today so that you 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: this is more than one film, right, But to be fair, yes, 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: the movie that I chose, it's very much like even 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: though they might not be seeing holiday carols, there's a 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: lot of holiday decorations in the entire movie. Yes, And 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: so we've built it up here we go, Oh, we're 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: talking about Batman returns. Yeah, with a little bit of 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Iron Man three, a little bit and a little bit 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: of Spider Man into the Spider Verse a little. Um. 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: I would like to say, though, we will be coming 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: back to the craft and the many suggestions you guys had, 36 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: who decided to go ahead and start our holiday addition 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: with a little bit of feminist turn again. I don't 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: like holidays, Um, hello, I kind of enjoy some holiday movies. 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: I already said that I like Love actually and that 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: is an absolute holiday movie. But that was just two 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: on the nose for Yeah. Well, and a lot of them, 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: as we discussed I think in the past past episode. UM, 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: hard to have much feminist discussion in them unless we're 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: just like, well, this is all a problem here. Um. 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: And surprisingly Batman returns, there's a lot to be said, Yeah, 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: you're surprised. And somehow we wedged a viewing in for 47 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: both Batman returns and Spider Man in to the Spider 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: Verse on Sunday. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. And 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: then we had was like Harry Potter in there. So 50 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: it was all night. It wasn't very long. Also, I 51 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: feel like, uh, I missed an opportunity to have the 52 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: live interaction commentary that you put on Annie. It's almost 53 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: as entertaining as the actual movie. And so if you 54 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: guys ever want to treat if I could ever live 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: stream you watching Spider Man into the Spider Verse, and 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: it will never be a clip of the movie. It's 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: just you squealing at the movie the entire time. It's 58 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, I had about Curby dots Curby dots the 59 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: line and it was so so A friend Joe was 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: there and the two of you were just having a 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: backup board and I kept looking about the going you 62 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: guys are the worst people to watch movies. Yeah. I 63 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: really couldn't contain my enthusiasm. I appreciate that you let 64 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: me have that. Oh, I don't know. One day we're 65 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: gonna do it again and I'm gonna live stream for everyone. 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: I was very excited. I didn't know we were going 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: to get to watch that. That was kind of a 68 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: bonus little treat. Yes, Um, so we will return to 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: that at the very end. And if I want to 70 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: do spoiled Saturdays where we just have a take on 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: something that's really recent, and if you don't want to 72 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: be spoiled, then don't we talk about The Joker like 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: that we talked about previously. And then Midsummer I have Yeah, 74 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I have so many horror movies. Please let me talk 75 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: about this. Um. But okay, today we're talking about Batman Returns. 76 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: That returns. Yeah, and um, for this, I did want 77 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: to do a really quick overview of Catwoman because she's 78 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: pretty much what we're gonna be talking about in terms 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: of this movie. Um, and she's been around a long 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: long time. I think definitely future episode because there's a 81 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: lot to be said about her, but quickly. She first 82 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: appeared in nineteen forty, meaning that she's been through the first, second, third, 83 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: and fourth if you want to call that waves of feminism. 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: She was designed by Jerry Robinson and Bob Kane. Only 85 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: three women have written for her so far, and she's 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: only ever been drawn by men. If you're wondering, um, 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: she was one of the first ever female comic book superheroes. 88 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: In quotes, um, her name is Selina Kyle, and she's 89 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: a cat burglar in a cat suit. She's often painted 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: as an anti hero and sometimes a villain and sometimes 91 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: a hero, and this allows her to operate in a 92 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: space where she's tough to pin down. Um. She's more 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: than Batman's sometimes love interest. Over the years, she's been 94 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: played by a handful of people, from Michelle Pfeiffer to 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Halle Berry to Ann Hathaway and I think I was 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: telling you, Samath. I'm pretty sure most of the mainstream 97 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: women who have played her have all been nominated for oscars. 98 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Are one oscars so hey yeah, um and yes, And 99 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: most depictions she is highly sexualized. Her outfit is similar 100 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: to what a dominatrix would wear, down to the whip, 101 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: which is usually her weapon of choice, and then there's 102 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: this quote. Um Bob Kine once said of Catwoman, I 103 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: felt that women were feline creatures and men were more 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: like dogs. While dogs are faithful and friendly, cats are cool, detached, 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: and unreliable. I felt much warmer with dogs around me. 106 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: Cats are as hard to understand as women are. Men 107 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: feel more sure of themselves with a male friend than 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: a woman. You always need to keep women at arms length. 109 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: We don't want anyone taking over our souls, and women 110 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: have a habit of doing that. So there's a love 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: resentment thing with women. I guess women will feel that 112 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm being chauvinistic to speak this way, but I do 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: feel that I've had better relationships with male friends than women. 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: With women wants thro romance is over somehow. They never 115 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: remain my friends, of course not. So this is the 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: person who created a Catwoman. That might give you some 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: insight into the character. This also might she was created 118 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: in part to combat talk of homo eroticism between Batman 119 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: and Robin and to reinforce Batman's heterosexuality. Yeah, Catwoman was 120 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: banned from the comics in the fifties because of the 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: comic code that dictated that crime should never be seen 122 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: to pay and Catwoman was not acting like how a 123 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: woman should behave Oh no, and she didn't return until 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties. She was originally played by Julie Numar 125 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties TV series with Adam west Um, 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: who was also then later on played by Eartha kit 127 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: in the final season of that series, apparently because Julie 128 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Numar was in a movie contract. She has different origin stories, 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: so the first being known as the cat who carries 130 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the whip and has high stakes thievery. Yeah. Um to 131 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: a stewardess with amnesia that turned to crime that then 132 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: later assisted Batman in stopping crime. Uh to the now 133 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: Little Nothing, Now to the what We're talking About ninety 134 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: two version of the Revenge speaking Receptionist Assistant an Assistant 135 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: um too and Hathaway's original take on the high stage 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: thief right. And throughout these various incarnations, one thing that 137 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: has remained steady is that she is sexualized and the 138 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: power her body has over others. However, since she is 139 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: catering to the male gaze, it's really hard to say 140 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: what is power and what is objectification? Um and I 141 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: have felt this when I have a dressed as her um, 142 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: because I have had a lot of super gross comments 143 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: made to me. UM, including one that really stands out 144 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: where this guy said that I quote knew exactly what 145 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: I was doing by addressing as her rape. It was gross. 146 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: It's very comment. Uh. Side note here according to some 147 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: in the original series, um, and then when we see 148 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: it again in both Batman Returns and Dark Knight, the 149 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: love story link between Batman and Catwoman existed. However, when 150 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Arthur Kit portrayed the role as Catwoman. Because she was 151 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: African American and because Adam West is was white, writers 152 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: and creators felt it was too taboo and not suitable 153 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: for them to be a on screen romance, so they 154 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: changed that story to being bat Girl and Batman, which 155 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: is yeah, bad girl. There was also a boat Woman 156 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: who was introduced when Catwoman was off the stage, who 157 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: was like see heater normativity family. She was like the mom, 158 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the boring mom, and then Batman is the dad Robin 159 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: nurser side. And I remember because I did watch the series, 160 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I really like the Adam 161 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: West series growing up, where bad Girl was very the 162 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: girl next door while Catwoman was the bad girl. Yeah, 163 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: so the plot how would you describe this little couple 164 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: so many things, because you know this is the beginning 165 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: where they were having more than one anti hera villain 166 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: into the stories. So Batman returns in the Batman's sequel, 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: directed by Tim Barton with a script by Daniel Waters. 168 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: This is the same dude that did the script for Heathers, 169 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: which any you acknowledged. Yes, and that's gonna be another 170 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: movie I think we need to visit. Um. Michael Keaton 171 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: plays Bruce Wayne Batman, who was doing his best to 172 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: protect Gotham from a corrupt industrialist named Max Shrek, who 173 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: was played by the wonderful Christopher Walkins. I browsed us 174 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: so good and a crime boss known as the Penguin 175 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: by the who else could it be? But Danny de 176 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Vito like, I don't know if there's gonna be any 177 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: one who could replace that. And it takes place Tatada 178 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: at Christmas time, a giant tree at the opening scene, 179 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: the Christmas tree lighting. Yes, that's yes, that's true, presence 180 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: all that, yes, to bring in all of the crazy clowns. 181 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: Apparently circuses something had to do with it as well 182 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: as Zoo's Okay, so according to the Amazon description. Yeah, 183 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: let's see what how amazons Batman, Kate Chris Later it's 184 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: pitted against demented, refinous penguin, pitiful orphaned, psychopathic freak, and 185 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: power hungry capitalist villain Max Shrek. So no I mentioned, 186 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: of course, not even though that was really really one 187 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: of the like that. Honestly, between her and Dany DeVito 188 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: and Christopher Walkin, I remembered Michelle Peiffer in the movie. Yeah, 189 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people seem to say 190 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: when I tell them when I would say, we're doing 191 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: this episode, and they would have met the iconic caplan 192 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: like um. And also, I just want to mention my 193 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: favorite part of this Amazon description is that power is 194 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: in quotes because he's there's a power plant involves if 195 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: you've seen it in a Marvel not Marvel, a d 196 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: C movie for sure. Because also the original Batman series 197 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: had all of the kind of uh puns. Oh, so 198 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: I think it kind of gave a lineage to that. Well, yeah, 199 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: they definitely leaned in in this one. I haven't seen, 200 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: so disclaimer, I've seen all of these era Batman movies. 201 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I've seen all the Christopher Nolan ones, but I saw 202 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: them all in one very drunken day, so I only 203 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: remember bits and pieces. Um. But Samantha, I did rewatch 204 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: this one for this show, so I have seen it, 205 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: but I do I ha got a sense that they 206 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: really leaned hard into those puns, right. I think the 207 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: second one was a little more because the first one 208 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: was also by Tim Burton, and I feel like you 209 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: see the same darkness, but the second one seems little kitchier. 210 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: But to be fair, I guess you have that origin 211 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: story of Batman, so the darkness of you know, seeing 212 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: his parents die and all of that, and him coming 213 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: out to the community as you know, this vengeful hero, 214 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: but you do also have the joker of doing a 215 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: majority of the puns and being somewhat kitchy. As of 216 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: the second one, I think it's just kind of all happened. 217 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: And you did mention about the fact that there wasn't 218 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: many scenes with Keaton. Yeah, that's one of my favorite 219 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: parts of the movie. Actually, he's in like a fourth 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: of it. Um, he's really not about him in my opinion, 221 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 1: especially the first half. Yeah, it definitely was all the 222 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: origin stories for Catwoman, yes, and I love that. So 223 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about Catwoman. So Michelle Phifer played her Selena 224 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Um slash Catwoman, and when the movie starts, Selena 225 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: Kyle is the embodiment of the crazy cat lady. Um. 226 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: She's sort of frumpy and her outfit. Um, she has 227 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: these glasses on which we all know and the that meant, well, 228 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: it's still I guess means that. Yeah, people still use 229 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: that as a thing of like, unless you're doing library 230 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: esque type of thing. Librarians is still like the transformative moment. Yeahdiculous. 231 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, Michelle Phifer frumpy is an oxymoronpen 232 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah, she says, I love it. 233 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: When she gets into her empty apartment, she says, honey, 234 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: I'm home. Oh I forgot I'm not married right Um. 235 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: And she is the executive assistant slash secretary of Max 236 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: shrek Um, who is the ultimate sexist boss. He regularly 237 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: demeans her, He dismisses her, he humiliates her like publicly. Um. 238 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: When she speaks, she does so as though she doesn't 239 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: want to be heard, and she voices things in questions. Um, 240 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: after she what what does this? Christopher Baal can say, 241 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: we have a housebroken her yet and he leaves, and 242 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: then she calls herself a corn doll, herself like looks 243 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: so stupid corn dog, um, which is a great phend. 244 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that. I'm gonna call everyone a corn dog. 245 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I haven't heard that insult in a long time, and 246 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, especially coming from a shell fifer 247 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: and very funny. Um. And then this is around the 248 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: time where the Christmas present thing goes wrong and the 249 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: shell fighter gets attacked and it's held hostage by a 250 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: clown um and well, and he has like a taser 251 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: and Batman saves her and then kind of just leaves 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: because she's invisible at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And 253 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: then she has to go back to work late and 254 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: she discovers that her boss is up to no good, 255 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: up to no good. Yeah, she's basically she's she's smart 256 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: enough to to be like, wait a minute, your power 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: planet is gonna suck power from the city. What's going on? 258 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh, you're very good at your job, 259 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: too good perhaps, um, and he pushes her out a 260 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: window and uh he yeah, in in his mind, what 261 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: value did she have? A poor lonely woman, He just 262 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: pushed her out the window right. Yeah, and this is 263 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: when she becomes catwoman, I guess after a bunch of 264 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: cats walk all over her and one bites her. Yeah, 265 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: we do see her see it nibbling on her finger 266 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: and there's blood involved. Um. And so she I love this. 267 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: She goes she looks like a zombie. Um, and she says, honey, 268 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm holl again. Uh. And then she listens to her 269 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: answering machine and there are three messages on it, one 270 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: from her mother, one from her ex well basically her 271 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: boyfriend breaking up with her says his therapist said he 272 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: doesn't need an appendage anymore. Um. And then a third one, 273 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: which is from a perfume company that's basically pushing how 274 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: women's sexuality is their currency, which, by the way, as 275 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: to call back to her comic book roots as a 276 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: sex worker, um and um how capitalism profits off of that, 277 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: like the systemic kind of sexualization, of getification of women. 278 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: And also it's from her boss's company. It's her boss's 279 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: department store, so she really uh transforms. So she gets 280 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: um like black spray paint and starts spray praying her apartment. 281 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: By the way, it's like all pink and really kind 282 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: of girly. Well, there's stuffed animals. If we discussed there's 283 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: very much of a young young girl, right, trying to 284 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: grow up to be a woman. It was a transformation 285 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: to be a woman. Yeah. So she gets out of 286 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: black spray paint, spraying things down. She goes into her 287 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: her closet and pulls out a black jacket, um, and 288 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: starts kind of frantically sewing it together to make this 289 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: cat suit. And I just want to like reiterate she 290 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: survived at tempted murder, returns home and thanks to herself, revenge. 291 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: But first outfitch. Who does it through that? I mean, 292 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: you can't kick someone in a skirt, which is what 293 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: she's been wearing the entire time. Um. As part of 294 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: this transformation, her voice becomes deeper, kind of cat like 295 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: and purring. Um. She she has this sign, a neon 296 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: sign that said hello there, but she breaks it so 297 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: that instead says hell here, that's one of my things, right, 298 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: I want it's very pink as well. It's a reminder. Yeah, 299 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: the sign is pink, um. And I feel like this 300 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: scene is a very screw you to the white picket 301 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: fence kind of perfect life that we've a lot of 302 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: has been told this is success, this is the only way. Um. 303 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, she becomes overcome with a self destructive desire 304 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: for revenge. Um. And in this way she's a great 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: mirror for Bruce Wayne's character, where he is all about justice, 306 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: she is all about vengeance. Um. He is a member 307 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: of the wealthiest class. She decidedly it's not. She is 308 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: torn between, um, what she should do and what she 309 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: wants to do, between the tragedy of her past and 310 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: the potential to make the future into something better. And 311 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: Batman even says her at the very end were the 312 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: same split right down the center, And yeah, I do 313 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: like that. It's her origin story. We see Batman saves 314 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: her and then she stabs him, which seems to be 315 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: a criticism of the damsel in distress. He offers her 316 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: a fairy tale the ending women have been taught to want, 317 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, I couldn't live with myself, 318 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: and the scratches him in the face and leaves a 319 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: hook or a claw, leaves a claw. She is not 320 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: a sex object, or at least she is that and 321 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: something else. She is scary, unhinged and a total nightmare. 322 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: That crazy girl, right if I would put a live 323 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: bird in her mouth for this movie which he told 324 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: me about. Yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh, 325 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: she actually did this. And Penguin, who totally does objectify her, 326 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: describes her as beauty and the beast in one luscious 327 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: Christmas gift back. Yeah. Also, he's just disgusting in every way. Yeah. 328 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: And when she they kind of make a pact to 329 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: work together to take down Batman, and when she refuses 330 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: his advances because in his mind there's going to be 331 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: this romantic sexual component to them working together. And when 332 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: she's she refuses his advances, he says, you're setting out 333 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: all the signals to have you spade, and then he 334 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: attacks her and cost her one of her nine lives. Um. 335 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: And also of notes in this conversation, Penguin does he 336 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: die He dies? Yeah, he dies when he picks the 337 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: cute umbrella at the end, the feminine one which does 338 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: nothing against the white, heteronormative masculinity a batman. Yes. Uh. 339 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: And also another line we want to showcases when Catwoman, 340 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: one of the first things she does is break into 341 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: the department store by her boss h and these two 342 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: guards see her and she's in this very sexual, sexualized outfit, 343 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: very sexy, and one of them says, oh, I don't 344 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: know whether to attack or take her home? Uh or 345 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: what movie says I'm in love anyway, basically I should 346 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: I attack her or trying to get with her? And 347 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: Catwoman says, you men always confusing your pistols with your privates, 348 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: very soldiery, like too yes, and then she just blows 349 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: up the department. She doesn't steal jewelry, leave. Yeah, he 350 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: doesn't killing body yet yet and she that's when she 351 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: gets the whip her weapon. Um. And then when Batman 352 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: attacks her, she says something like how dare you? I'm 353 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: a woman, but then immediately strikes back and finishes her 354 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: thought with as I was saying, I'm a woman and 355 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: can't be taken for granted. Life's a bitch now, so 356 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: am I? Hell yeah, yeah, she really leans hard. I 357 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: felt like into the hysterical label that has so long 358 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: been used against women. She just went for it. You're 359 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: gonna call me that, okay, cat Lady, I'm away crazy 360 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: cat lay exactly. Oh yeah, And I just want to 361 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: say talk about some us t unresolved sexual tension. I 362 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: did read a lot of accounts from people who saw 363 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: this when they were maybe adolescents, and we're saying that 364 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: it was a real formative It really was her licking 365 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: his face along was huh yeah, yeah, yep um and 366 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: then yeah after your Batman kind of offers her this 367 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: fairy tale ending. Um, she refuses and instead she dies 368 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: getting her revenge on Shrek. But she has one life left, 369 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: so maybe she didn't die. And you see spoil it alert. 370 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: Are you just see here at the end? Do you? 371 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I remember he gets out of the 372 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: car and he's looking at the bat sign. Oh is she? Yes? 373 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: You were the one I called it out? I was 374 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: checked out friend. Alright. So when this movie came out, 375 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: it was in the middle of the third wave feminism, 376 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: and some people have interpreted Catwoman's storyline as a feminist 377 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: awaking and finding identity. I would agree with that. One 378 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: of her first acts as Catwoman is rescuing a woman 379 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: from rape and then brating that woman for acting like 380 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: a victim. And she's not looking to be a hero. 381 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: She's just enraged and knocking and looking to break the 382 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: patriarchal system. She's angry at every one who participated it 383 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: in her mind allows to continue it so as she says, 384 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you make it easy, don't you always waiting for some 385 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: batman to save you? I am catwoman? Hear me roar. Yeah, 386 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: that was the first thing she did when she got out. 387 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: And she even says to the potential victim, the man 388 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: attacking her, go easy on me. It's my first time. Yes, yes, 389 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: because he was like what So. Also, perhaps she's yelling 390 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: at her past self who she's saved by batman early 391 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: on in the movie, when we were talking about with 392 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: the circus people, um, And she takes the taste from 393 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: that attacker and later weaponizes it against her enemies, which 394 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: she did actually actually use on that clown as well, 395 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: but he was already out right she uses it at 396 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: the end, she like puts it in her changue kisses 397 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Christopher walk in. Um. So like she's kind of yeah, 398 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: she's weaponizing her sexuality. I guess you could read it 399 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: that way, um. And then taking this weapon from people 400 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: who would do her harm and using it against against them, right, 401 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: because he did try to have the last word and 402 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: tell her she's fired. He tries to kill her and 403 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: runs out of bullets with two of her lives remaining, right, right, 404 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: and yes, we do have to talk about her outfit. Um. 405 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: It is perhaps one of the most forfeiting outfits ever 406 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: to grace the big screen. Um. Pieces of shiny black 407 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: leather stretched over her body and stable together as if 408 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: to represent the fragile nature of her psyche or that 409 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: she's barely being whole held together. Um. And the whip, 410 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: of course, UM, so the whip being more about punishing 411 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: and pain than about killing. Um. And there was definitely 412 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: some misogyny in the way critics wrote about about her, 413 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: the shell fifer and the outfit. Um. Here's an example 414 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: from the rolling Stone. Off to the side. Michael Keaton 415 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: aka Bruce Wayne A ka Batman was enjoying the hell 416 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: out of the moment. Oh it was tasty. Here was 417 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: mrs two time Oscar nominee, mrs Actors Actor, mrs total 418 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: get it into takes professional, held and checked by a 419 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: few pounds of wet second latex in a pair of 420 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: pointy ears. That's a weird comment. Yeah. Um, they had 421 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: to govern Michelle Peiffer and Baby Bowder before she donned 422 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: the suit, which they then vacuum packed. Yeah. She just 423 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: recently talked about it during an interview and about how 424 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: awful it was and painful it was for her. So 425 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: Catwomen outfits ranked so many thought pieces on the cat suit. 426 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: There's different variations. Some see it as embracing the sexual 427 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: objectification of women and weaponizing it, or maybe rejecting male 428 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: superhero gard and thus the patriarchy and leaning in hard 429 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: to the feminine. So Julie Newmar, who I really I 430 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: watched growing up and I'm not that old, so I 431 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: was I was watching reruns. Just want to put that 432 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: out there before they think I'm it's okay to be 433 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: that old. I'm not that old, as I want to 434 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: put that out there. Julie Newmar, who played Catwoman in 435 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: her first on screen appearance in the nineteen sixties, wrote 436 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: in a letter to The Huffing to Post every girl 437 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: is a cow woman, there will always be a catwoman. 438 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: Catwoman is forever and her costume was perhaps the most 439 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: tame and the most kitten like. It was a black, 440 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: sparkly suit reminiscent of a courset around the waist, complete 441 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: with a gold belt, and of course cattiers Lee Mary 442 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: whether who was in the movie or pretty much the 443 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: same thing when she played her. And then there's a 444 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: the kit who took over from newmar Uh. She wore 445 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: the same thing but adjusted the placement of the necklace, 446 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: pulling it higher. And then, of course there's Hawie Berry, 447 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: who played the titular character and Catwoman. She wore a 448 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: push up bra, leather gloves, whips, tight leather pants, and 449 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: as pretty much it's very dominatory Dominatrix. I have not 450 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: seen this film. I've seen parts of it, including the 451 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: infamous catnep scene, but I know it's about an addictive 452 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: beauty cream targeted towards women and playing on the fact 453 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: that all of these high beauty standards we placed on women, 454 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: so we probably would have a lot to say about it. 455 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: I also know Sharon Stone is the one behind the 456 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: beauty cream. People are like, don't be telling me Shara 457 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: Stone is not hot, even if she's older, Okay, right, Yes, 458 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: she's beautiful and hot. And also this is the one 459 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: that won the Razzie. It is considered it was considered 460 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: one of the worst films ever created. But I think 461 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: also there was a conversation about it being really heavy 462 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: handed and it was trying way too hard. I mean, 463 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: one of the main characters was named Affiliate Powers affiliate powers. 464 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: That's come on, y'all, we can do a little better. 465 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: But I guess it could be I was gonna say 466 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: it could be that we're just looking at a different 467 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: what lens, because all the other ones are fairly heavy 468 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: handed as well. Whether it's some kind of pun whether 469 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: some kind of like over the top whatever. But it 470 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: just yeah, it wasn't not a great movie. It made 471 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: me sad. So you've seen it. I've seen parts of it. Okay, 472 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: finish it, Okay, alright, just c f just neither of 473 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: us have seen it, but from what we have seen, 474 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: it left someone to be let some things to be desired. Um. 475 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: And then Anne Hathaway's version, Um, this one. She was 476 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: meant to be the most functional. Her outfit was meant 477 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: to be the most functional. It's a black leather stealth 478 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: suit and the cat ears were the points of her 479 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: night vision fancy crime goggles. Her stilettos were weapons. I 480 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: think I've mentioned on the show before. I did used 481 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: to cosplay her, and sometimes I still do. And my 482 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: experience was everybody loved that costume, but they also love 483 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: telling me that they didn't like Anne Hathaway. Um. Yeah, 484 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about that on this show before. Our people 485 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: just don't like Ann Hathaway because they see her as prissy. 486 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: She's vegan, pers nickety, but really it seems me she 487 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: just knows what she wants well as Gonna saying Natalie 488 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: would would be the same. She's a vegan all of 489 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: those things, but she's not as disliked seemingly as Anne 490 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: Hathaway is. Maybe that's another perfect another episode m and 491 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: then we wanted to end with this for our discussion 492 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: of Catwoman. Glorias Dynham's review of The Dark Night and 493 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: and Hathaway's performance read I saw the Dark Knight Returns 494 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: last night and among other things, Catwoman is a feminist 495 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: superhero with the storyline and transformation of her own plus 496 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: class consciousness, a girl buddy, equal skills with the Batman equipment, 497 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: and an apartment of her own in Old Town and 498 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: she gets the guy. So yeah, that's that's kind of 499 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: our little kid. Uh Batman returns chat Woman extra Christmas. 500 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: We do have a little bit more for your very 501 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: brief run through, but first we have a quick break 502 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you 503 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: spots here, and we're back a little bit with Iron Man. Three. Yes, 504 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna plaze through this of minutes as I've seen 505 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: this one too, and I'm not gonna lie. I have 506 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: a hard time I remembering all of this. Okay, Well, 507 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, all right. So we 508 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: opened on Blue by Il six five the years. Tony 509 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: Stark is about to bang a scientist named Maya Hanson 510 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: played by Rebecca Hall who has this plan all about 511 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: regenerating plants or something. Um. He stands up an awkward 512 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: all just Killian played by Guy Pierce uh And then yes, 513 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: we skipped to the present m c U timeline post 514 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: Avengers a symbol, and Tony has built a bunch of 515 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: Iron Man suits and it's Christmas time. One of the 516 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: first scenes is him trying on his new Iron Man 517 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: suit to jingle Bells kind of a sassy version of 518 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: jingle Bells um. And Tony is clearly distant and struggling 519 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: with maybe PTSD definitely anxiety attacks post New York City 520 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: and the Avengers um, which is impacting his relationship with 521 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: his wife, Pepper Pots. I didn't think so, but a 522 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: lot of places his significant other okay, because that they 523 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: didn't get married until after the first that the wedding 524 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: was in the one You're right, so significant other why 525 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: I put that? Well, I put that originally, but then 526 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: everywhere I was reading said wife, and I was like, 527 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: oh really, maybe they got divorced and then got remarried anyway, whatever, 528 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: now not so awkward and pretty handsome all Killian shows 529 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: up to meet Pepper and is very flirtatious with her. Uh. 530 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: Tony's head of security suspicious, stumbles on mysterious plot gets 531 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: severely injured. At the same time, you have a string 532 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: of terrorist attacks orchestrated by a villain known as the Mandarin, 533 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and this has the press clamoring. After Tony Stark ok 534 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: iron Man, asking him if he's going to do something 535 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: about it, and angry about what happened to his head 536 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: of security, Happy Start challenges the Mandarin on live TV, 537 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: gives away his home address, which I feel like it's 538 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: pretty obvious where he lives, but whatever, I guess it's 539 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: the challenge. I don't know. Uh So, when he arrives home, 540 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Pepper is packing and also he has once again given 541 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: her a gift that she clearly doesn't want, a huge 542 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: rabbit custom made um. At this point, Maya shows up 543 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: at the door and it's like, hey, I think my 544 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: boss works for the Mandarin And then all these missiles 545 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: start probably into their house, and Tony is able to 546 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: save Pepper and Maya Henson Rebecca Hall's character by putting 547 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: them in some of his Iron Man suits and blasting 548 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: them out. Uh. He manages to escape, but not before 549 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: his suit takes major damage and is pretty much nonfunctional 550 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: when he lands in the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. 551 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: As he's trying to repair a suit, he meets a 552 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: young boy who promises to help him secure some supplies 553 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: because everyone thinks Tony is dead. Um and then all right. 554 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: He finds out about this project called Extremists. Extremists that 555 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: Maya was working on with Killian that experimented on injured 556 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: soldiers to regenerate lost limbs or other injuries. But it 557 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: left these soldiers unstable, like I will explode spontaneously unstable. Uh. 558 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: Iron Man. He's like trying to figure out what he's 559 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna do, how he's gonna save the day. He's on 560 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the verge of a panic attack when the kid says, 561 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: build something. You build things, right, just go build something, 562 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: So he goes back to his roots. UM and as 563 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: this is happening, Pepper is captured by Maya, who was 564 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: working for Killian and is used in the extremest experiment UM. 565 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: Killian even tells her that she is a trophy when 566 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: she's strapped into this pot and the sports braw and 567 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: tight pants. Then Tony is captured after he discovers that 568 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: the Mandarin is just an English actor pretending to be 569 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: a terrorist. UM and this is a big twist in 570 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: the movie because he's a huge villain in the comics 571 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: UM Tony is. He attempts to break out, but then 572 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: Uh Maya tries to save him when he fails, and 573 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: then Killian just shoots her instead of listening to her 574 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: because she's like, he won't be able to solve your 575 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: problems without me, I'm your side, acentists, and he just 576 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: kills her. UM And also the President has been captured, 577 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: and this all culminates in a battle between a superhuman 578 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: Killian and his Crony's Tony, his pal Iron Patriot played 579 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: by Don Cheetle, and a bunch of automated iron suits, 580 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: with the President and Pepper's lives hanging literally in balance. 581 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: The President is saved, but Pepper falls into a pit 582 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: of lava, seemingly to her death killing is about to 583 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: kill Tony, but then Pepper rises up from the death 584 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: of Hell metaphorically uh, and now as all temporarily superpowered, 585 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: she does some ask kicking in like two minutes or less, 586 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: uh than they kick us together. Tony destroys his Iron 587 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: Man suits and removes his arch reactor. Day is saved. 588 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: It's complicated. Well, I think he just really wanted to 589 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: do a plantline Like I did this before I rewatched it, 590 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh boy, there's so many threads here. Um, alright, 591 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: so let's talk about action figures. Lets you and I 592 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: had disgustioned and you were telling me a lot about this, 593 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: so as you talked to about In the Female Action 594 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: Figures episode, Rebecca Hall's character was originally meant to be 595 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: the main villain, but the director was pressured by Studio 596 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: Exacts that a female villain action figure wouldn't sell. And 597 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure those Guy Pierce action figures left off the shelf. 598 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: Right um and Marvel Entertainment CEO at the time, Permoter said, 599 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: there was an early draft of Ironman three where we 600 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: had an inkling of a problem which is that we 601 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: had a female character who was the villain in the draft. 602 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: We had finished the script and we were given no 603 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: holes barred Mimos saying that cannot stand. And we've changed 604 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: our minds because after consulting, we've decided that those toys 605 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: won't sell as well if it is female. So we 606 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: had to change the entire scriptes because of toymaking. Now 607 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,479 Speaker 1: that's not Figy, that's Marvel Corporate. But now you don't 608 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: have the problem anymore. Yeah, So it was really frustrating. 609 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people involved in the film. 610 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: I know, uh our down Jr. It was like, no, 611 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: you gotta give it more of a role, and I 612 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: a hall it accepted it on kind of a different 613 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: which happens a lot unfortunately, and the especially to women unfortunately. 614 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. You can see her action figure episode from 615 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: more on that um And then I also wanted to 616 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: say an interesting thing about Pepper pots As. While she 617 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: spends most of her time being damseled in this movie 618 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: and every other Iron Man um, although she is painted, 619 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: is an extremely business navvy, incompetent woman. According to some 620 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: Internet so she kills the most people. She kills more 621 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: people than Iron Man on screen. At least she kills 622 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: Ironmonger and Killian iron Man has only killed Ebony Ma 623 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: on screen. Um. And then yeah, I could come back 624 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: and talk about her character because she's painted is sort 625 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: of a nag, like she's never happy with Tony Prow. Yeah. 626 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: Well that's another thing is a lot of people can't 627 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: separate her from Gwenda Paltrow. Um, she is used to 628 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: make Tony feel jealous by the villain. She does spend 629 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: most of the movie distress. She's captured, tortured, and experimented on. 630 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: It's bait for Tony. And then there's a lot of 631 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: talk about fake feminism and how just because she got 632 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: to kick gas for two minutes or less that it's 633 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: like exacts or pointing to it. Look how feminist we are, 634 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: but it ignores everything else, which was kind of the 635 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: complaint for Endgame. Uh is it endgame or is it in? Yeah? Yeah, 636 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: what is wrong with you today? I've seen a lot 637 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: of movies, so with End Game where they have that 638 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: one giant scene but they're like, hey, look, women, it's 639 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: just so token. Yeah yeah, yeah for sure. Um. And 640 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: then Tony the character as well, I mean he's a Womanizer. 641 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: He says a lot of things in the movie that 642 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: are not great. Um, there's like a beauty pageant that's 643 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: not explained. There's all these women in bikinis running around 644 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: such as things like that. Um, and then random trivia. 645 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know this. Robert Downey Jr. Got injured in 646 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: the middle of filming and was down for the count 647 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: for six weeks. And since they couldn't hold up production 648 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: for that long, the creators made up a completely digital 649 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: version of him for shot that didn't require dialogue our 650 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: close off, so you can try to find the fake 651 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: Tony Stark in there. Um. But yeah, that was just 652 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: a quick look at another superhero holiday movie. Just a minute, 653 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: you just want to talk about the m c U. 654 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: I did, I did, And we do have a tiny, 655 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: tiny bit more about the m c U. But first, 656 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 657 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsor, And we're back with 658 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: a special mention Spider Verse. Spider Man into the Spider Verse. 659 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: So y'all, I'm gonna, I really, I'm gonna live stream 660 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, reaction the joy I feel watching that movie. 661 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: It's exhilarating. It makes my face hurt. It's like you're 662 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: watching it for the first time. The shock that you 663 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: go through with the whole time. Um. And yes, I was, 664 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: this is the movie I chose for a movie rush 665 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: the podcast fire friend Chuck um. And eventually he had 666 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: to He was like, Andy, we've got to stop talking. 667 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: But but I haven't told you about the other things. 668 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: The frame rate. Let me talk more about the frame rate. Um. 669 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: But I did want to mention it because it's one 670 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies of all time, and it takes 671 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: place at Christmas. Um. If you remember, Chris Pines o G. 672 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: Spider Man is featured on a holiday album in the movie, 673 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: and the cast actually recorded several holiday songs that you 674 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: can listen to and by if you want, um, including 675 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: Spiky it's cold outside, Swinging around the Mistletoe, Silent Night, 676 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: You're welcome, joy to the world that I just saved, 677 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: Spidy the Snowman is beginning to look a lot like 678 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: a non denominational holiday. Yeah. I think the only part 679 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: that I realized it was holiday was because that song 680 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: randomly comes on in the security guards room and that's it. Yeah, 681 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: but it's a holiday. There's snow, there's Christmas trees if 682 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: you look. Um, it's diverse, it's gorgeous. It has fleshed 683 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: out female bad as vulnerable characters like Spider, Gwyn Penny Parker, 684 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: Aunt May Doc what a great villain Villa So Phil 685 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: Lord and Christopher Miller's goal for the film inspire young 686 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: people to become heroes, inspire grown ups to help them 687 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: do it, and remind us all that you don't need 688 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,959 Speaker 1: to be bitten by radio active spider to do your part. 689 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: You are powerful and we are counting on you. Yes, 690 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm pointing to Annie right now. I want does he 691 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: say not you necessarily? Probably metaphorically speaking, No, no, no, no, 692 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: they're counting on you necessarily. Um. But yeah, that's just 693 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: what we wanted to say about some less traditional holiday. Yeah, 694 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: so there you go. Are not so Christmas Christmas movies, 695 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: which is the way I like it. I will tell 696 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: you once again, I do do a lot of Like 697 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: I said, do do a lot of horror movies during 698 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: this time because I do not like not a fan 699 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: of the season. I'm not. I'm not trying to be 700 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: uh a grinch, but you know, you have to cope 701 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: with things the way you can cope with it. So 702 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: let us know you're not so Christmas see Christmas movie recommendations. 703 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: And I would also consider die Hard, which I know 704 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: has been a debate action movie that takes place at Christmas. Yes, 705 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of the Harry Potters as Christmas movies 706 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, we watched you know, definitely a little 707 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: bit the first The first two are the ones that 708 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: I would consideras Happy Christmas. Harry. Yeah, I think he 709 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: does it is Christmas at one point in definitely one though, 710 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: is it when he goes to visit his parents? That's right? 711 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: That's right. So yeah, let us know your recommendations because 712 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: I would love to know more and to watch more 713 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: movies that are not Yes, the Netflix movies that I'm seeing, 714 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to watch those, Yes, And 715 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: let us know what we should do for our next 716 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday. And also if you have any feminist 717 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: movie thoughts. 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