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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcoman. I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Speaker 2: This is All Ball, and in this version of All

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Speaker 2: Ball we'll have the conclusion of my talk with Pat Burke.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Pat was the star center at Auburn and

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Speaker 2: in Spain Real Madrid, and of course Tauas for Remica,

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Speaker 2: and of course he played for the Ortlanta Magic. And

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Speaker 2: in this part we'll find out about how he became

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Speaker 2: a Phoenix Sun and what happened with that talented team

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Speaker 2: once they reached the playoffs and why they could never

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Speaker 2: get to the NBA finals.

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Speaker 1: You remember there was.

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Speaker 2: A notable suspension of a Mario Stotramount and Boris dil

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Speaker 2: and Pat was actually thrust into the lineup.

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Speaker 1: What went wrong for him that game personally you'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Also we'll get his thoughts on USA basketball. How do

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Speaker 1: you fix USA basketball?

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Speaker 2: So that because you know, we operated on this present well,

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Speaker 2: you know, if we just have the best players we

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Speaker 2: just had Lebron and KD and staff, we're gonna win.

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Speaker 2: But the countries we lost to didn't all have their

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Speaker 2: best players. So there is something one different about that

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Speaker 2: playing style, but also wrong with the way in which

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Speaker 2: we're kind of attacking this thing. We'll get pats thoughts

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Speaker 2: because he played and starred in Peeba style basketball, and

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Speaker 2: we'll figure out how we as Americans or American basketball

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Speaker 2: can adjust and be more successful more often, even if

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Speaker 2: we don't always have the best players in the world.

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Speaker 2: Even when we have the best players in the world,

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Speaker 2: it's not like.

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Speaker 1: We've the redeem team.

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Speaker 2: That was a close game, is a one possession game

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Speaker 2: late in the game against the against the Spaniards. So

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Speaker 2: here's part three with Pepper. What was it then like

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Speaker 2: to go back to Real. Now Real is one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest clubs in Europe, right, but you've been playing

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Speaker 2: in the NBA, so you're you're back making big money,

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Speaker 2: but you're in the ACB.

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Speaker 1: You're in EuroLeague, very different. Well, was that experience like

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Speaker 1: the transition back?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Well, I had one. I had one small jump

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Speaker 3: before that. I actually started that year when I left.

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Speaker 3: I went to Alana, Grand Canaria, and so I was

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Speaker 3: I was in the Spanish League, but I was, you know,

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Speaker 3: on an island just outside the coast of Africa, and

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Speaker 3: they had a coach there, Pedro Martinez, and he loved

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Speaker 3: his militant, robotic offense. Every day, we go through twenty

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Speaker 3: five minutes of going to the same place, and it

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Speaker 3: just it was just so boring, and so I just

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Speaker 3: remember that. It came to one point where I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: there in our apartment, my wife and I and with

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Speaker 3: our kids, and the cleaning lady says to me, She's like,

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Speaker 3: it's very strange. Oh no, no, I sorry. She says

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Speaker 3: it to my wife, Paige, it's very strange. You guys

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Speaker 3: are cleaning this apartment when you're about to be cut.

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Speaker 3: And Peyton's like, hey, Pat, come on into the living

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Speaker 3: And she repeats herself and I'm like, holy sh So

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Speaker 3: I called my agent and Lawren. The cleaning lady's in

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Speaker 3: so she must have caught something at dinner. And now

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Speaker 3: all this is trickling out, so they didn't even know

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Speaker 3: was going on. So anyways, long story short, we're on

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Speaker 3: of the first grouping of this European tournament. So we're

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Speaker 3: in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, after a dinner and we're moving on

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Speaker 3: to the next group of our European pool and the coach,

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Speaker 3: coach Pedro Martinez, he says, Pat, can I talk to you?

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Speaker 3: And so he takes me up to decide, said I

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Speaker 3: already know, coach, I'm cut, and he's like looking at me,

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Speaker 3: it's so innocent. I was like, oh, well, the cleaning

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Speaker 3: I was like, I have no connection to your team anymore.

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Speaker 3: well looking at me, like this guy be crazy, which

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Speaker 1: You do have to. They do have to. You want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm like this is me, you know, like

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Speaker 3: I was just on this team. Now I'm going to

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Speaker 3: we ended up beating their team. Moving on, anyways, that

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Speaker 3: the next year I signed back and we win the

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Speaker 3: Vittoria in Spain, which all the fans remember that I

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Speaker 1: So like they're to go to your brother's wedding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so their version of booing is whistling. So every

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Speaker 1: Best thing to eat in Spain, h.

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Speaker 3: to be a seasonal thing, but it's it's absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is life like with a siesta every day?

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Speaker 3: Well it makes me look back and go, wow. You know,

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Speaker 3: you have to be so selfish to be a successful

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Speaker 1: You know what was what do you remember about winning

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Speaker 3: First, it was being back in that Jim and that

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Speaker 1: How'd you make it back to playing in the States

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Speaker 3: So Warren called me and he said, hey, Actually I

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Speaker 3: going back, I'm like going, I'm going to handle this

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There are there are some that to this day saying

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Speaker 2: Contention would be My contention would be like Shaw Mary

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Speaker 1: Kind of you go through and you know, if everyone

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Speaker 3: to print this? And I was like, I'm fine with it.

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00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: So I start telling them all of this and they

430
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 3: print it. And the next day Warren calls me. He's like,

431
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 3: are you trying to get kicked out of the league?

432
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: And I was like, what does it matter? Yeah, because

433
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 3: he's just sitting there. He's like, why would you say this,

434
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's the truth, and it's it's the

435
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: truth of what's going on. And so then I remember,

436
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: like people were like give it a little hate, like

437
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 3: who is this guy? This guy doesn't even play. I'm like,

438
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 3: i's tell even about playing. The question was about coaching

439
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: and an understanding of like are you communicating as a leader.

440
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: And I know that d'antoni's a different coach now, it's

441
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 3: just in that moment in six oh seven. You know,

442
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: I don't think that he had those experiences of feedback

443
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: because most people don't want to talk about it. But

444
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, it's bullshit. You know, your seven

445
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 3: man rotation in seven second offense is only getting you

446
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 3: so far and you have to start thinking differently to

447
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: actually get to the next level.

448
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: So what's it like now to look back on game six?

449
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: Uh, that's not the is that see the last one

450
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: that we played? So I get in for about I

451
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe a minute.

452
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: Because I remember it was you guys took the lead

453
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 2: three games to two. Yeah, and then they got suspended

454
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: and then so you played a ton in game six,

455
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: and then I think as lost in game seven. You

456
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: lost six and seven I think.

457
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kurt, So Kurt Thomas started playing more of that

458
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 3: center role getting beefed up minutes. But I had a

459
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 3: lingering arm injury that I couldn't even raise my arm,

460
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: like over my head, and so I went it for

461
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: a little other's like this photo. It perfectly captivates. There's

462
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: like a rebound. I'm sitting there and I couldn't even

463
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: pick my arm up. The balls on the ground and

464
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: Tony Parker myself were like in a scrum trying to

465
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: get to it, and like that was it. It was

466
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: like the horn goes off and I get subbed out

467
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can't even help the team.

468
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I just looking back, you know, we

469
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: were so close. But then you also look at what's

470
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: his name that the referee that was placing wages on Yeah,

471
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 3: so he was That was one of the games because

472
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 3: I remember our coaching staff was just going nuts at

473
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: all the calls that he was calling, you know, like

474
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: in the first half, like it was just like there's

475
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: something going on.

476
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah, season's over then what.

477
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: So then I come back. My wife and I were

478
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: expecting our third child, and uh, I get a call

479
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: from Golden State Warriors and they were like, hey, we'd

480
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 3: like for you to come out and try out for

481
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: the team. I'm like great. So I go out and

482
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: uh I'm good. Do their preseason in Hawaii and something

483
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: just doesn't feel right my body. I'm like, I know,

484
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: I know when I feel good and I don't and

485
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: there was something going on and uh so then don

486
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 3: Nelson calls me, like the last day before I've cut.

487
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: He brings me outside with a big cigar and the

488
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: practice facility. We're back in Golden State now and he's like, Burke,

489
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: I like you. He goes, but how do you think?

490
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: How do you think it's going? And I was like, well,

491
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: I haven't done shit. I look like shit and I

492
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: feel like shit. And he's like, yeah, that's about the

493
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: way I see it. Oh, and he goes, uh so,

494
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: what do you want to do? Do you want to

495
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: stay with us for the preseason or do you want

496
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: to And I said, you know, I think I want

497
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: to go see my doctors in uh in Phoenix and

498
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 3: he's like, okay, we'll have that done. He goes, hey,

499
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed you being I said, coach, thank you

500
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: so much for the opportunity and just something was like

501
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: there was this heaviness in my gut. And so anyways,

502
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: I go in there and I have an appendectomy done

503
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: and then also have my gallbladder removed within a month,

504
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, my systems are just failing right now.

505
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: So then I call Warren. I said, hey, I'm going

506
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: to take some time off. You know, our baby's gonna

507
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: is due in early October. So I wait. And then

508
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: after our daughter, Harper is born, I call them up

509
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: and I said, okay, you know, put my name out there.

510
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: And then on Thanksgiving Day, I'm on a plane flying

511
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 3: to Russia to go play for a Kimky.

512
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: What was your experience like landing in Russia?

513
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this I'm telling you it is the

514
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: wildest thing. So I fly over and make I make

515
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: the the worst decision of wearing jeans and like dress shoes.

516
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: I get there and they're like, okay, we got to

517
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: go through your medical tests. And I'm like, can I

518
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: go by the hotel and change. They're like, no, you're fine.

519
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: So I'm like all right. And it was like some

520
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: crazy like eighteen hour travel, you know, like two or

521
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: three flights. So when I get in there. There's like

522
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: this triangular box thing and this there's this big jury,

523
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: this big Russian woman, and she's she's trying to get

524
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: me to do some sort of lung capacity test and

525
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: she's just like barking Russian at me, like I'm like

526
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: breathing inside this big box. So then they put me

527
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: over and they hooked me up with the heart monitors,

528
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: get me on a treadmill, and I'm running in like

529
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: penny loafers and jeans with no shirt on. And then

530
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: finally when I'm done with that, I'm like, all right,

531
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: can I go to the hotel? Look like yeah, we're

532
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: gonna drop off your bags. We've got an away game

533
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: we're going to, and I'm like okay. So I get

534
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: to the away game and one of my teammates, Antonia Fotes,

535
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: is from Greece. He's on the team as well. So

536
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: I get over there. Oh, sorry, he's playing on the

537
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: other team. So I say hello to him and this

538
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: and the other, and then they give me my uniform

539
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: and they're like we're gonna be sued up tonight, and

540
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going on no sleep, no food. I

541
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: just was on a treadmill. So Anyways, I go out

542
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: there and I'm warming up with the guys and I

543
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: don't play. But every time they call it time out,

544
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there. I can't keep my eyes open,

545
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: and I can see like all the other Russian guys

546
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: like looking over and laughing. They're like, this guy is

547
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: like so tired. So anyways, we ended up, but whatever

548
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: the conclusion of the game was. At the very end,

549
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: they're like, we're gonna bring you back to their hotel.

550
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: I think I slept like a day and a half

551
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: and then I wake up, and then of course I

552
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: go through all the introduction to the Russian League.

553
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you mine. So this was two thousand and one,

554
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: in January two thousand and one. So I was playing

555
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: like in the IBA in Solana, Kansas, and I got

556
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: to go home to Oklahoma to get my stuff. I

557
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: go to New York to get a a visa. So like,

558
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: I land in New York and I have to go

559
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 2: to the Russian Consulate get my visa. Then I fly

560
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: out from New York. I remember, this is like I

561
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: don't think I had a cell phone at the time.

562
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: This is like two thousand and one, right, I don't

563
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: think I had one, so.

564
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: All I knew was that like we will, they'll like

565
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: my email from.

566
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: My agent was like, they'll get you at the airport

567
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: in Moscow and take you to the other airport where

568
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: you fly to perm Russia. All right, So I land

569
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: in Moscow and you know again like you fly thirteen

570
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: hours and you just I don't know where I am.

571
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: And I remember having this gigantic basketball, like two big

572
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: Nike bags and stuff, and I don't know.

573
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: What I'm looking for.

574
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: And I saw a Russian writing and a basketball and

575
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I was like, I hope that's my guy, you know,

576
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: and the feeling of of being so tired. So I

577
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: think sharon Meteva is the big airport. So you landed

578
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: shar Meteva and then you kind of go through Moscow

579
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: and then you go to one of the satellite airports

580
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: to fly and I remember like in and out of consciousness,

581
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: he takes me like he's like, you want to eat?

582
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: So I was like yeah, So we go into some

583
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: it's like smoke filled. They're drinking tea and he just

584
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: orders something as terrible. But the in and out of

585
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I felt like I was like a drugged American spy

586
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: because I remember like bits and pieces of driving by

587
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: red Square, and I just felt like if he took

588
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: me into the middle of nowhere, killed me, took my shoes,

589
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna know. Right then he takes me to another

590
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: airport and he gives me a ticket and all I

591
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: knew was that it had a number on it, and

592
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: I thought that was the gate, and so I'm just

593
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 2: like holding up to feel they pointed to me right

594
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: like no direction. And then I landed in perm and

595
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: now it's like five thirty in the morning, and there's

596
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: like ice knee high, you know, when we get off

597
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: the plane, and I was like, oh my god, and

598
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: just like you a.

599
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: Land at five thirty.

600
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: There was an interpreter and she's like, they would pick

601
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: you up at nine for practice.

602
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

603
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: What?

604
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: And then the team was on the road.

605
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: So when I got there, I had two days by myself,

606
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: an assistant coach in a gym, and like, I remember,

607
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I never forget this, and I do this dru with

608
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: kids today where they're like, he was like, you must

609
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: have made he was Lithuanian, and then you know they're

610
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: fucking crazy, right, So he's like, you must have made

611
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: twenty five threes, so I'm standing out by a three

612
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: point line.

613
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I shoot three, make it. I was like, I was like, yo, man,

614
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: you gotta throw it back.

615
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: No, this is is conditioning, Like you had to make

616
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: it three run back and then he's like timing you

617
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: to see how long it takes.

618
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Then you do a full court. I was like, this

619
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: is a different world, a different world. What was Was

620
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: there anything you liked about food in Russia? Anything you

621
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: took away that? No? No? No?

622
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Uh?

623
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: Did you have a driver? Did you drive your own car?

624
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: They gave me a driver, Sasha, I had a driver.

625
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I love the driver thing.

626
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. There was a they didn't want any

627
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: of us getting into any type of.

628
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: Accident because what they would do is they know you're

629
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: an American, so they would crash into your car and

630
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: shake you down for money.

631
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know the story.

632
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Rusty LaRue was in Moscow when I was there. Yeah,

633
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: And in Moscow they have that middle line, middle lane,

634
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: and you have like a blue light.

635
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: You can get in your car and.

636
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: Drive down that middle lane and it's like government officials

637
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: and mafia guys whatever. And he kept getting pulled over,

638
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: and so he's like he was. He kept he said

639
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: it to the guys like on the team. He's like, yo, man, like,

640
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: how do I not get pulled over? They're like bisball hat?

641
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: Like what They're like, you know, don't wear a baseball hat.

642
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: He's like why, Like because they know you're not Russian. No,

643
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: we don't wear base Do you ever see a baseball head?

644
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Like, oh, they just pulled a guy over again his

645
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: baseball hat. But yeah, my driver was our driver was

646
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: like our best friend, O Legg was our was our driver. Yeah.

647
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: They just didn't want us to get into trouble with

648
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: the police. And we had a number of like you know,

649
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: we get stopped heading to practice and then Sasha would

650
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: get in. After talking to him, he's like uh and

651
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: he's doing this and I'm like what and he's like

652
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: fifty fifty whatever Ruble or hero whatever, like fifty bucks

653
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like for what and he's like so I

654
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: hand it to him. And that must have happened a

655
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: dozen times.

656
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: No question. You you played one more year after that, right.

657
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're playing in a Poland a Seko pro com.

658
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: That's when you know it's like you're just going down

659
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: and so at that point that was it was like

660
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: a paradigm shift. I always felt like I was like

661
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: the youngest guy. I always felt like I was at

662
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: that victoria moment, like you know, you're twenty one, you're

663
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: the youngest guy in the room, or one of the youngest.

664
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: At that point. Man, we had so many a Mayoramericans

665
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: on our team, and it was just a different generation.

666
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: These guys were coming in, They're talking about what they

667
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: wanted in life, and you know, if I, if I

668
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: had a conversation with them, sometimes I just felt like,

669
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, whatever I was speaking about the world was misunderstood.

670
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: So I just knew, like, yeah, I'm getting to that

671
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: point where you know, I'm not jumping the same I

672
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: don't even have butterflies playing like before games anymore. So

673
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, let me just get my ten rebounds, let

674
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: me get ten points. And just a great relationship with

675
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: my coach. He was a Lithuanian guy, was phenomenal. He'd say, uh,

676
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: pasecis so he played for the Lithuanian team. I played

677
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: against him earlier in my career and he talked to

678
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: my agent like he liked the way I played. So

679
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: I came in and he would just he'd sit there

680
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: that he tried to challenge me all the time in

681
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: front of the guys I was. I wasn't used to that,

682
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: but I always played back to him. So he'd be like, bet,

683
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: this is boughit. You know, I know everybody in town.

684
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: He's like, I know you didn't leave this club last

685
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: night till one am, and all the young guys will

686
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: be looking in the huddle like, oh my gosh, you

687
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: just got caught. I'd be like, coach, that's bullshit. I

688
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: didn't leave that club till three and give me the

689
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: eyes right, and he'd be like, you know, he's like,

690
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk. I said, okay, And then like when

691
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: we go to places and you know, you're warming up,

692
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: you're doing high knees, you know, full court, and I'd

693
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: be going by him at half court and he'd be like, bet,

694
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: do you think you're crazier than me? And I go,

695
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I got I go down the

696
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: other end and I come back.

697
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: To him like, God, well you played for Thomasis Yeah, dude,

698
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: he was the other point guard when I was in Russia.

699
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh really, he's fucking nuts.

700
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he is.

701
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: I loved him, great dude, but fucking nuts.

702
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he would but he would say to be like,

703
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, do you think you're crazier? And then I

704
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: go back the other side of the court, come back,

705
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 3: and I go, I don't know how crazy I am.

706
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: So he would just sit there and he would be

707
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: nodding all the time, and then like, I remember, my

708
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: family would come up over. It came over once for

709
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: Christmas and my stats started to drop, and he's like,

710
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: what's going on? And I said, I don't know. He's like,

711
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: I think your family needs to leave. Okay, but uh yeah,

712
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: he's uh he's out. I think he's out of coaching now.

713
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: But he was a lot of fun at the At

714
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: the end of the year, he wanted me to come back,

715
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: and I was like, twelve years, I think I'm done.

716
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: I said, I just don't know if I could do

717
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: this again.

718
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, he.

719
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: He uh.

720
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: We used to have Sundays We're supposed to be off, right,

721
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 2: Sundays were our off day, and everybody would go down

722
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: to the gym and like hey, come come good leave,

723
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: come come come, shoot, come shoot, we get shots, we go,

724
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: we levet, we go to Sona Sona right, and like

725
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: everything these dudes did was at a level way above

726
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: what was called for. Right, and now I was splitting

727
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: time even as an American in Russia and with him,

728
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: and he was a good fucking player, we were stacked.

729
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: We run won the Russian league, won the won the

730
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: championship in the tournament as well, won our European We won.

731
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: We won all but one game and the only reason

732
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: we didn't win that one game was because none of

733
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: the other Vets played and I played with the young

734
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: guys against Sesca Like it was crazy anyway, But we

735
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: used to go and one of the assistants was like

736
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: a famous Baldis Komichas he had played on the ninety

737
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: two Russian team. But he's a Lithuanian. Obviously he's a fan.

738
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: So he was an assistant, and we had three other Lithuanians,

739
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: but check Thiss was one of them on the team,

740
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: and so you had the four Lithuanians.

741
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: They were fucking nuts.

742
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: See you go in on like a Sunday, You're like,

743
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna get a quick lift, I'm gonna

744
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: get some shots up, I'm gonna get to the sauna.

745
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: Let men get the fuck out of here, all right,

746
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: see go in like he'd like lift, like good, leave,

747
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: come come, we shoot.

748
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: So the shooting would be like a competition, which is

749
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: cool because you get them up in a hurry or whatever.

750
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Within the competition, we'd be like, let's play one on one,

751
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: let's play to it, let's five on five.

752
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Let's just a couple of games. Like we're playing for

753
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: like four hours.

754
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: And I love playing, but like and I love playing basketball,

755
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: and I was frustrated shit at like like how we

756
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: did in Russia was we had like a third point

757
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: guard and we get up twenty points and like this

758
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: dude is playing. We're like what the fuck. But it's

759
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: because they wanted to play the Russians, right, And I'm

760
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: trying to put up stats, and.

761
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: So you get done and you're like, fuck, I just

762
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: this was my day off.

763
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: I just played four hours of basketball. All right, I'm

764
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: gonna go downstairs. I'm gonna get sauna.

765
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: No.

766
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: I was like I didn't want to do something like no, no,

767
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: come come, we all do together, team bunding, we go

768
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: do it. We go like okay, So I go in

769
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: there and and I don't know if you did this

770
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: in Poland or in Russia. Sauna right, then you jump

771
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: in the cold bunch. Yeah, then you go sauna and

772
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: then you jump the cold punch and it feels good.

773
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Then they start they put honey on themselves, like just

774
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: some kind of honey, and you're like, all right, whatever

775
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: and uh and then like you get out of the

776
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: scene like the third time, and now like the vodka

777
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: starts and you're like, wait, what the fuck? And then

778
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: so you have a govaka and then the and then

779
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: I was just married and then like oh, then the

780
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: hookers come in at the end.

781
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, I'm out, I'm out. I'm good.

782
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm good because because my because my wife went a

783
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: time we were just married and she would like come

784
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: sometimes and come work out at the gym.

785
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: When I was like, no, no, no, I get to

786
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. This is gonna get

787
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: really bad. And hurry.

788
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: Those guys everything they did they did extra like I

789
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: can't I don't know where that that well spring of

790
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: energy comes from.

791
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: And I was pretty energetic, dude.

792
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: They had the end of the Russian season, they got

793
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: us all together for some someplace in the mountains. There

794
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: was a cabin and they're like, you're really gonna like

795
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: this this hot, tough place. So I go into the

796
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: world's hottest room. There's fourteen of us in there, and

797
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: there's one old guy in there. He practically lives there.

798
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, you can only stand there for like three minutes,

799
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: and you got to come out and get a breath

800
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: because it's like, I've never been in a room that's

801
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: hot in my life. This old guy's got a woolf

802
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: hat on, yes, and then he's he's got some sort

803
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: of like olive branch or something.

804
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: So then they beat the ship up and they beat you,

805
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: they eat the crap, they.

806
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: Open up your pores, and I'm sitting there watching this.

807
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is incredible. And then when you go

808
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: outside next out to the snowy mountain, like beautiful landscape,

809
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: there's this huge barrel with the rope, you pull it

810
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: down and ice cold water hits you. But uh, it

811
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: was a great experience. But the same thing. Right at

812
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: the end, they're all like, hey, we gotta get vodka,

813
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, I'm not getting vodka, Like what

814
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: are you talking about.

815
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm actually trying to feel better. Tomorrow. I

816
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: did not feel worse last thing.

817
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So USA basketball, as you point out early two thousands,

818
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: we've been through this before, right where they were kind

819
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: of a mess bust the World Championships in Indy, right,

820
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: kind of in a similar situation.

821
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: And the answer this time is, well, Lebron's just gonna

822
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: get all the guys back.

823
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: And that it may work, but it might not, right

824
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: because it's just such a different style of the sport.

825
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: The officiating is different, the I mean the officiating, the style,

826
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: the rules, it's all different. So if I put Pat Burke,

827
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: who is a great player in Phoeba style basketball, in

828
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: charge of comprising a roster American born players, how would

829
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: you build it?

830
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times in businesses you look

831
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: for a copy and paste. You're saying what's working. Like,

832
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about the Yugoslavian coaching style was

833
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: very hot in two thousand. One of the biggest things,

834
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: and again is this is not to get too far

835
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: and too deep into this. I just got back from

836
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: Ireland and one of the things I recognized when I

837
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: was watching Irish athletes playing basketball is there's no you

838
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: don't have to coach them on energy. You don't have

839
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: to coach them on sportsmanship. They're they're listening to everything,

840
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: they're not yelling back at refs. And I started to think, like,

841
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: what the hell is creating? What's the very because I

842
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, I just came out of an AAU tournament

843
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: in the States and there's parents yelling at kids, they're

844
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: yelling at the refs. The coach is like completely absent

845
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: to the idea that it's their platform that's creating any

846
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: type of transformation. Here's my kids in the beginning season,

847
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: and here's the end. It's not the kids to actually say,

848
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: it's they're not listening. It's your space to bring them over.

849
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Like if you look at a nonprofit organization, they have

850
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: to go through metrics to get any type of grant

851
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: to say, how is your program creating transformation? And has

852
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the kids. It's always the actual

853
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: content of anything that you're doing to bring them through.

854
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: That so long winded on that The first thing I'm

855
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: doing is I want to research what what is it

856
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: inside of every one of these teams, the Lithuanian team

857
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: or any of the teams that have had success here

858
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: in this last World Basketball tournament and to say what

859
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: what are those variables? Because what we're looking at is

860
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: the United States is a factory and it creates. And

861
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: one of the litmus tests is looking at our youth

862
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: and what they're going through and saying, this is what

863
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: we're producing. You know, a number of years ago a

864
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: large number of European kids were being drafted in the

865
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: first round and we're sitting there like going, oh, that

866
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: can't be. And I'm going we're not producing the same

867
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: people because we're not the same people today that we

868
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: were twenty years ago or thirty years ago. So if

869
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: I was to go in and start building a team,

870
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: I think there's more psychology that needs to be put

871
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: into this idea and understanding that it's the people that

872
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: have come from nothing. It's the people that have a

873
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: work mentality that's not questioned or unwavering that you start

874
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 3: to building with. Because I think when Sherzevsky and Colangelo

875
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: got together and they started to build the team, I

876
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: think the first person they build it from was was

877
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: somebody that wasn't a superstar. It was like, who can

878
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: we build around this person? I can't remember who that was.

879
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: It's like Shane Battier or something.

880
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: It was like that.

881
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: It was like that type of person. And I think

882
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: that just saying Lebron or someone you put. You put

883
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: fifteen alpha males into a room, There's there's someone there

884
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: that's gotta do the dirty work. There's someone there that's

885
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: got to And sometimes I think there's just too much ego,

886
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of it.

887
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that Cotolia is and I think it's interesting

888
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: to bring up business. Right, this is the hey, we

889
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: we we did we you know Ford and the what

890
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: was it called the assembly line?

891
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: Right?

892
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: Like we invented all of that technology. Right? And then

893
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: who makes better cars? Right?

894
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: Japan and Germany and maybe even South Korea now make

895
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: better cars because there's more attention to detail. I like

896
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: to I have a friend who's a who's a car dealer,

897
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: and he said, and I used to buy actors all

898
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 2: the time. And he was like, only by an actor

899
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: that's made in Japan. And I said why, He's said,

900
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, do you go to a car dealership, you

901
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: go to an auto factory in Japan?

902
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: Did you know they have no custodial service.

903
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: I was like really, He's like no, you clean up

904
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: your own space, so you go to the exact same company,

905
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: an act your dealership in I think South Carolina.

906
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: They have custodial service. And here's the difference.

907
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: Everybody's station in Japan spotless. Everybody's station in South Carolina

908
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: fucking mess. Right, work really dependent upon the guy and

909
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: sores a. There's a care for the company, for the

910
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: culture of respect for your work. And I think in

911
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: all honesty, like, look, we teach basketball the wrong way.

912
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: You know, if you watch any of these workout videos,

913
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: all off the dribble, one on cone right, and they

914
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: have figured out, really through a lot of our coaches

915
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: coming over there, that that's not actually the most effective

916
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: way and they're at an athletic disadvantage, but they found

917
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: a way to create an advantage with skill, shooting, passing, toughness,

918
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: tactics right attacking the weaknesses. And I think it's going

919
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: to be fascinating to see, Like it ain't crazy to

920
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 2: think we can send Lebron and Kevin Durant and Steph

921
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: Curry over there and they still get beat.

922
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: In twenty four Yeah, I totally agree. I think that

923
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: whenever we started, you know, if you look at you

924
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: know we're going over this idea of leadership and communication.

925
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: When we go to a playground, is it easier to

926
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 3: meet everybody on your team and ask them what their

927
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: strengths are and weaknesses and then start playing, or is

928
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: it easier to get the ball and go one on five,

929
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: which what we do, because nobody ever actually goes into

930
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: like what are more effective ways to actually build something

931
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: to where we can all collectively come together. And that's

932
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: where I think that we're missing somebody there. There's a

933
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: convenience in just picking something randomly and saying, oh, this

934
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 3: is the best and we can do this. It's not

935
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: going to work. Like there how many conversations had to

936
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: occur and how much family culture in the community must

937
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: have had those those There's people in Japan that they

938
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: are cleaning their area like they're not They're not sitting

939
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: there being told what to do and being like you

940
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: better do this. It's like there's a pride there and

941
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what the difference is, but we're not

942
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: the same inside of our our cultures and our community.

943
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: Moore like, I did a lot of nonprofit work in

944
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: my town and it was eye opening. It was eye

945
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: opening to see how many people are looking to and

946
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with this, Like I think that you

947
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: have to be able to sustain yourself before you can

948
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: actually help others. But how many people have no understanding

949
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: that they're financially okay, Like there are people that are

950
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: doing so bad. You're not in a bad what you

951
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: really really to recognize if you go to a third

952
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: world country, you see how bad others have it. But

953
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: if we go back to again at the copy and

954
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: paste model, I'm going to Lithuania and I'm going to

955
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 3: all these other countries and I'm sitting there and I'm going,

956
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: let's let's get a couple of them, because you know,

957
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: years ago, I think in Ireland when they were looking

958
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: to break through in boxing at that time, I think

959
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: it was Cuba or some other country had this great

960
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: methodology for training and Ireland knew that. Again is how

961
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: do we think of a caller we've never thought of before?

962
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: It's impossible, So they go and they got someone else.

963
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: And it's just an open minded approach. And I think

964
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: that America has become so close minded that we're like going, no,

965
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: I can't do this. I mean, look at even I

966
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 3: know I'm jumping around, but even when you look back

967
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: to when those I think it's like twenty four twenty fourth,

968
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: twenty four draft picks in the first round were international players.

969
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: The forums and all the places on social media started

970
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: complaining about, well, this is America, we should be taking

971
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: care of our guys, Like this is bullshit. It's like,

972
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: what are you talking about. We don't own nobody owns

973
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: the sport of basketball. And if someone's doing it at

974
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: a level that's so good, are you so closed minded?

975
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: Like it's do you think that the America is the

976
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: best because they're showing us now that there's so much

977
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: other things that you can develop that we're only focusing.

978
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: Like you said, we go to a cone, we're doing

979
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: ball handling stuff, and we think that we're we're getting ahead.

980
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, my whole thing is when I started at sixteen,

981
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: I knew that I was not going to actually become

982
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: a huge scorer. I was like, there are other positions

983
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: to do and other roles to take on, and if

984
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: I can do them, well there's a job for me.

985
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: And that's you made a great a great life for yourself.

986
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: The most important goal you want to accomplish in the

987
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: next ten years, I.

988
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: Say, continuing on Isaiah Thomas's quote is if people only

989
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: know me for basketball, then I've failed at life.

990
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: And so.

991
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: As I move forward into other things, like I want

992
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: people to know that, you know, it's like I move

993
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: with my spirit first of like wanting to help people,

994
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: wanting to help you, continuing to do that so that

995
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm modeling that for my kids to see and my wife.

996
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: You know, I just I really with the sport of basketball.

997
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: But I think that you know, some people will say, oh,

998
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm all about basketball. Our life is more important.

999
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: But I think that there is a way of acting

1000
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: that out and I'd look to do that as much

1001
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: as I can.

1002
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: All the time.

1003
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: Pat Man, You've been amazing with your time and the

1004
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: stories are incredible, and I want to have, like, let's

1005
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: have another conversation here in a couple months in basketball

1006
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: seating kicks off because your perspective is so unique because

1007
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: you've lived it, you've experienced it, you understand it on

1008
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: a level that so few can, and the ones that

1009
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: have experienced it not all can articulate it in the

1010
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: way that you can.

1011
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: So I really really appreciate your time. This has been awesome.

1012
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: I appreciate as well I've been a fan from Afar

1013
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: and I remember when I was in college and we're

1014
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: hearing your name and I remember watching you. So it's

1015
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: just really cool to finally meet you and have this conversation.

1016
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: I look forward to the next one.

1017
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1018
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: I was in Israel and I was watching you play

1019
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: in Greece and we watch we watch euro League. We

1020
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: were in the Coreatch Cup and we watch your league

1021
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: and we watch you play, and I was like, dude,

1022
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: that's Pat Burke, Like he's these and like the guys

1023
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: in Israel are like, oh, he best, best sender.

1024
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: We need to get him for Mccabi Tel Aviv. He's

1025
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: the best, He's the best. That's how they talk, you know,

1026
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: they talk. He does, he does, he does the good stuff,

1027
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: the good stuff.

1028
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, it's fun, I'll tell you. And that's the

1029
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: last point too. I won't get too long, but it's

1030
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: funny when Europeans recognize when people are doing stuff off

1031
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: the ball, because everybody can do something on the ball,

1032
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: but they're just like, hey, this guy puts in the

1033
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: work on other areas and that's what we need.

1034
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: I was amazing.

1035
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: If you if you missed any part one, part two

1036
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: of course you can go look in All Ball and

1037
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: amazing storytelling a guy who's just so well rounded. And

1038
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: I thought you got an honest perspective of the things

1039
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 2: he did right, the things he did wrong, the people

1040
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: he thought wronged him, and the people who he now is.

1041
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: Like, you know what, I was probably wrong in that one.

1042
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: I love of self reflection and just an interesting and

1043
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: very successful man who has his own.

1044
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: Opinions on so many different topics.

1045
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening and ryding. The Doug Gotlig

1046
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,680
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1047
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1049
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,600
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1050
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1054
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,680
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1055
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