WEBVTT - Making Amazon's Rory Documentary & 10 Masters Favorites for 2026 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.760 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.920 And when I find my ball in a brid. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.560 Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday Fridagg brid. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.080 Egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.680 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.480 Andy Johnson. Today I'm excited to, I would say, kind 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.800 of kick off our Master's coverage. This was a fun 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.920 interview I was. I interviewed dra Cooper, who's the director 0:00:55.240 --> 0:01:00.639 of the new Amazon Prime documentary which debuts on March thirtieth, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:06.480 Rory McElroy The Master's Weight. It's like a very inside 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:11.080 look at Rory's career and particularly the final round of 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.800 at Augusta National. I was able to watch it, enjoyed 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.600 it a lot. I think people that are really into 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.560 golf will will enjoy it. And there's some some really 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.399 cool moments. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:26.280 And interviews that you probably haven't heard before about about 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:26.800 the whole thing. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.080 It's it's one of those rounds where I feel like 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.600 the more and more you watch it, the you still 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.840 are just as excited to see, you know, footage and 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.200 shots from it. It was such an unbelievable round. So 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.959 big thanks to Dre for coming on and talking about 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.880 his film that he created, and and a lot about 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:52.480 Rory twenty twenty five Masters Champion. So also at the 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.880 back end, PJ and I producer PJ Clark and I 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.560 are going to chop it up with our ten favorites 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.960 for the Here's Masters. It's kind of a crazy Master's 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.480 going into this where you know, Scotty and Rory haven't 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.079 been I would say their best, they haven't. You know, 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.280 Rory was really dominant going into last year's Masters. Scotty 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.440 has after the win at PGA West, has been very 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.280 mediocre by Scotty's standards, you know. I want to be clear, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.520 I don't want to get in Scotty's crosshairs, you know, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.839 but by by the standards he's set the last couple 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.640 of years, he's been pretty mediocre. And then every other 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.480 like really great player around them, you know, has played 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.320 really well to the point where like Xander Schoffley has 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.440 looked as good as he's looked in the last eighteen months. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.720 But you're looking at all the other guys, it's like, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.959 how do you even get Xander Shoffley into the top ten, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.200 so that that's a fun exercise. After the Drake Cooper 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.359 interview that will round out this episode before we get 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:59.160 to dre. This podcast is supported by Cobalt Rangefinders. This 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.200 rangefinder amazing. 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Unfortunately, a lot 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.000 of our stuff's a little too nitty gritty for my wife. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.520 Off it doesn't clear that bar. But like I'm particularly 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.720 smitten when it does. Do you have a bar? Is 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.200 there something that you feel like when you clear it, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.920 you're like, oh that was good. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.000 Yeah. Yeah. For me, it's always the mom test. I'm like, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.400 if mom can understand this and track this, and if 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.800 she's in, then we've done our job. So that's that's 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.040 usually who I'm referencing. My wife, like, you know, she's 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.840 my toughest critic. She'll tell me all the things that 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.360 are wrong with it, but she'll understand it all, regardless 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.640 of the complexity or how dense it is or what 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.159 have you. Where's my Mom's just like, honey, what's going 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.920 on here again? So we gotta gotta figure out how 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.159 to you know, hit that hit that sweet spot. So yeah, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.880 Mom's usually the litmus test we did. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.560 We did a live pod years ago and I'd been 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.719 podcasting at this point as my as my job for 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.000 four plus years, and my wife had never listened to 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.240 an episode, and she came to the live show and 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.680 she came we came off the stage and she's like, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.320 you know, that was really good, and I was like, well, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.080 thank you, thank thank you for for the first time 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.200 in four years under you know, knowing what I actually 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:32.920 do for my job. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.599 It was it was a humorous moment. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.839 Dre get you. You've worked on so many projects in 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.800 your career, and I'm sure you get pitched a lot 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.880 of projects. When this project came across your desk when 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.560 you were when uh, it kind of came into your purview? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.080 What about it immediately appealed to you. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.160 I mean, Rory as far as elite athletes go, and 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.520 and and you know guys that have been at their 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.800 craft for a long time who've had incredible highs and 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.480 incredible lows, I mean, Rory is that guy. And I 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.520 was like immediately, I was like, oh my gosh, are 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:17.200 you kidding me? I'm all in not to mention. You know, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.480 as most forty year olds do, you know, the door 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.040 either opens to golf or back to golf. And so 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.960 I was a kid. I grew up playing baseball. That 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.680 was my thing. I played it every year, year round, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.680 you know, since I was like five years old. Mom 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.160 was a single mom, and she was like, you're gonna 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.040 do this, and I loved it. Fell in love with 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.240 the game. And along the way, I'd pick up golf clubs, 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.600 so you know, but then I put them down for 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.720 some time, and so over the last couple of years, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.960 I've picked it back up, and you know, of course 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.840 following Rory's story over these years and knowing how close 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.000 he's come and how far he's been, and then obviously 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.360 this year at the Masters was incredible, and I think 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.960 Sunday goes down. I keep saying arguably the most exciting 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.600 and dramatic round of golf, but I think it's I mean, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.520 you tell me you've you've seen a lot. I'm going 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.880 to just go out on a limb and say the 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.000 most dramatic and exciting round of golf in history. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.400 I've rewatched that final round like three or four times now, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:31.000 and you know, watching watching your film, I you know, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.079 I'm just as drawn into the story as as I was, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.720 like watching it live in person. In a way, I 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.679 think it's it's got just such lasting power. There are 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.840 certain moments in in uh time in sports. It's one 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.720 of the great things that like just make lasting impression 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.199 impressions on you and anytime you go back and watch it, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.720 you know, as a kid growing up in Chicago, the 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.760 Last Dance documentary like brought back floods of like memories 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.120 as a kid that were incredible, but this one being 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:06.199 so fresh, it's still like you're still riveted by it, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.000 even though there's been so much talked about over the 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.439 last you know year with as you dug into Rory's story, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.800 what were a couple of things that really stood out 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.360 to you as someone who was kind of like a 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.400 casual golf onlooker too diving really in. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.800 Yeah, I mean, you know, I think first and foremost, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.640 there's you know, there's there's the reality that Rory has 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.720 had this opportunity to achieve the rarest feed in golf 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.679 with the career Grand Slam, you know, since since you know, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.800 going into the Masters in twenty fifteen, right, so you know, 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:56.880 essentially eleven years, you know, with that sitting there, you know, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.160 as as the elephant in the room, so to speak. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:08.600 And so but you know, then he finally get gets 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.920 it at this year's Masters. But it wasn't like a 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.880 runaway round, or wasn't like a runaway tournament. It was 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.319 so razor thin, I mean up until literally the last stroke, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.480 and so it became immediately clear that, you know, just 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.120 given what Sunday represented, giving my own experience of having 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.840 watched it live, that we wanted to make a film 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.160 about a round of golf. And so I think from 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.199 a filmmaking standpoint, it's like, well, you know, if you're 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.160 a golf fan, you can watch a lot of golf. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.719 But if you don't sit there and watch a lot 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.240 of golf, you're you're you know, if you're not a 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.839 big golf fan. It's how are you going to do this? Right? 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.120 How are you going to make a film about a 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.240 round of golf? And I think, knowing how exciting and dramatic, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.040 it was inherently, you know, we had that going for us, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.720 but it was like it was inevitable. I knew we 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.319 had to build the film around that as the through line. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.920 But then it was about how to build this parallel 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.880 narrative of going back in time and understanding you know 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:13.360 what led to that moment on the eighteenth Green when 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.120 Rory finally sinks that putt and he drops to his 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.680 knees and he has you know, one of the most 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.840 dramatic and cathartic responses to that moment. And if you 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.320 saw that yourself, whether in real time or saw it 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.280 you know shortly thereafter, you know it was filled with 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:37.680 so much emotion and power and a very very touching, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.240 but very intense moment. And I think, you know, we 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.200 always talked about at the beginning of the project, if 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.640 you could take that moment, bottle it up, and then 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.160 unpack it over the course of ninety minutes to understand 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.439 how he arrived at that moment, you know, then we'd 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.520 have ourselves a compelling film. So I think right from 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.600 the beginning it was about, you know, understanding you know 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.240 what the challenge was, how to create this kind of 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.000 parallel narrative of the Sunday Round, but also understanding you know, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:10.440 Rory's sort of story and journey to get there and 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:15.560 not fall into the sort of typical, you know, a 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.880 path of telling the cradle till now biopic. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:19.800 Right. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.560 We made a conscious decision to not do that and 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:27.120 try to ground it in that Master's Round. So yeah, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.280 that was kind of where we started. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.840 You know, one thing you hit on it is an 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:41.240 enormous story the you know, basically twenty eleven till last 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.200 year's Masters and just that that kind of journey that 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.400 that Rory went on. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.880 That is a huge, huge task. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.480 Of trying to figure out how to put this all 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.840 together into an hour and a half. What were for 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.920 you the most helpful pieces of putting it together or 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.439 like the real big unlocks that you guys came across 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.800 in the storytelling exploration. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.360 Yeah, I mean, you know, when you look at Rory's 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:20.800 relationship to Augusta, you know, and I think there's something 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:26.400 really really fascinating about you know, Augusta is, you know, 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.480 arguably the most storied course in all of golf, this 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.520 rich history, but Rory himself has this incredibly you know, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.640 intimate and complicated relationship with this place. But it started 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.800 out as a shangri la to Rory right as a 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.280 young boy. You know, he loved the Knights of you know, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.840 watching the Masters with his dad. They'd catch it late 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.240 on the BBC, you know, over the weekend, and so 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.360 he grew up in awe of this place and of 0:13:54.440 --> 0:14:00.400 the players. To then have this place go from shangri 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.600 law to haunted house over time, and then to figure 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.840 out how he was going to sort of wrestle with 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.600 this place. And so I think one of the biggest 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:15.160 unlocks was looking at his experience in twenty eleven, arguably 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.720 you know, one of the biggest chokes in Master's history. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.600 You know, maybe a case could be made for some 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.120 others Norman, who Rory references as well, but I think 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.800 Rory himself, when you see a guy with you know, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.080 a four shot lead going into Sunday, you know, to 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.560 just watch him literally just you know, spiral. By the 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.200 end of it was really really intense. I had known 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:45.800 of it. I didn't recall, you know, how bad it 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.160 went for him until we dug into the material and 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.520 you just watch him, you watch the body language and 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.160 you see the way he was responding. And so that 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.280 twenty eleven experience, I think became a pretty big creative 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.400 unlock because you really need to understand and that at 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.240 just twenty one years old, he's got a chance to 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.720 again make history, be one of the youngest guys since 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.120 Tiger to win there, and he was doing it in 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.280 just rare fashion, dominant fashion with that four shot lead. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.520 And then to watch it all crumble, you go, how 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.560 do you come back from that? And you hear the punditsy, oh, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.840 Rory may never survive this, and then what's he do? 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.480 Six weeks later? He just dusts off the shoulders and 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.520 he breaks, you know, half a dozen records at the 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.280 US Open to get his first major. And so you 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.960 go ah, that's the guy everybody was talking about, and 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.960 so that became a big, a big unlocked for us. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.280 How you know, obviously that A big piece of this, 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:53.080 and you illuminated on it earlier, is the mental hurdles, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:16:00.600 which are how do you go about showcasing the mental 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.360 side of something and what somebody might be going through 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:08.160 between the ears in a visual story. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.240 Yeah, I mean, you know, Andy, you asked me earlier, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.600 you know, when when the project first came my way, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.840 what excited me. Rory excited me for sure, But then 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:23.440 the you know, the creative challenge of visually telling a 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:28.520 story about golf, which is again, you know, it's one 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.760 of the most if not I think it's the most 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.360 mental sport there is. You know, as someone who played baseball, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.360 I would say baseball is like a cousin of golf, 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.080 you know, in terms of kind of the mental fortitude required. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.840 But there's other sports where like, it's so much easier 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.240 to get lost in the rhythm. Yes, you need to 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.200 be an elite athlete, you need to have great skill 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.240 to have success at the highest level, but basketball is 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.440 a dance and when you're in the rhythm, you're in 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.520 the rhythm. But golf, I mean, my god, you're standing 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.320 there over this putt and it's right here and there's 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.640 the cup, and it's like a million things can get 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.760 in the way. And you think you're sitting back at 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.520 home on the couch, You're like, oh, how hard is that? 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.640 Even I could do that? And then when you watch 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.480 a myss, you go, oh my god, and you just 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.119 know it's so hard to get it done at that 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.760 the margins are so thin, and so the mental side 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:26.439 is critical, right, And so visually in talking to Rory, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.360 you know, he talked a lot about his strategy for Sunday. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.399 You know, he said he felt good going into Sunday, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.800 but he was uncomfortable about his pairing with Bryson, and 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.919 so you know, he talked to doctor Bob and some 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.480 others and he was like, all right, I'm going to 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.760 figure out how to kind of get into my own 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.639 bubble and I'm going to try to like, you know, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.320 sort of drown out the noise. And you hear this 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.720 all the time at this level, like, oh, you know, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.600 shut out the noise, focus on me. But when you're 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.560 doing it in golf, it's even harder because just there's 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.400 just a million things that can go through your head 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.840 when you're over that ball. It's just it's so hard 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.000 in that way. And so we started with that, and 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.800 then as we got deeper with Rory and as he 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.160 talked about his process, you know, swing thoughts are such 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.280 a big deal, and so the idea was, well, how 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.959 do we visualize this? And so that's where I came 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.240 up with the idea of, you know, essentially, you know, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:25.480 let's film with Rory at Augusta without the crowd, you know, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.440 without the gallery and his own little world, just him 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.480 and this place. And so we did all these kind 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.320 of specific visual shots of him at key holes, at 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.560 key points, so that we could in the telling of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.800 the story not simply see the broadcast just recut, but 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.960 how to actually go deeper into you know, his experience 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.199 of it and make the experience of the film you know, 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.000 sort of immersive and kind of experiential. And so we 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.840 came up with that sort of visual motif. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.440 Yeah, that plays out throughout it. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.960 It's a it's a neat little piece of it of 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.800 it kind of ties together. I think I think you're 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.280 right on about baseball. I've always said pitchers. Pitchers are 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.240 the closest corollary because it's the only non reactionary kind 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.560 of like you know, hitting sea the ball, hit the 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.000 ball right, and you can go into slumps a little bit, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.600 but it's it's see the ball, hit the ball. Pitching 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.399 you have to think, and you get the guys that 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.520 can't throw to first base because they get the yips, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.320 you know. They you got guys that just bomb out 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.159 because they can't throw strikes anymore. It's very similar with golf. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.840 It's it's super hard. I saw that you also directed 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:45.119 a documentary about Clarissa Shields, the gold medalist boxer. And 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.120 then I assume in your career, throughout it, you've you've 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.800 been across a lot of high performers. Have you noticed 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.920 anything about personalities of high performers and how so did 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.840 Rory kind of stand out amongst the group of people 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:00.760 that you've been around. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.880 Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, I'm sure they 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.280 all share some personality traits. I mean call it, you know, 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.520 some sort of version of you know, uh type A, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.880 you know, alpha, that sort of thing. But I think 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:22.920 more than anything, what they share is this and it's interesting. 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:24.879 It's it's there's a moment of it in the film 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.199 an old Charlie Rose interview that he did with Rory 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.920 where he asked him, you know, is there a common 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:37.119 denominator with elite athletes? You know what what separates you 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:38.040 guys from the rest? 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:38.399 You know? 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.560 Is it a will to win? And Rory said, it's belief, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.240 and he goes, okay, And then a moment later Rory 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.480 corrects himself and he goes, no, no, No, it's knowing. It's 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.040 knowing that you're going to win. And I think with 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:58.520 every athlete I've worked with, it's this un like flappable 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:04.120 knowing that they will achieve the goal, that they will 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.639 achieve the thing they have in their mind and you 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:12.840 can't shake it. But the biggest challenge is for all 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.000 of them, and you see this in Rory's story in particular, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.880 is that when you want it so bad, there's diminishing returns, 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:26.960 and you've got to figure out how to unlearn that obsessiveness, right, 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:32.240 that obsession to win that competitive fire, you have to 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.440 unlearn some of this stuff and figure out how to 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.480 essentially let go and be in the moment, be present, 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.600 trust yourself, trust the process, all the stuff that is 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:48.240 so easy to say and incredibly difficult, if not the 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.479 most difficult to actually put into practice, and that's why 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.439 there's only so many people that do the things that 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:55.439 people like Rory do. 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:01.639 A sought through this process from twenty eleven, what was 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:06.400 your particular favorite theory he had through the years on 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.280 how he should prep for AUGUSTA? 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.119 Oh yeah, I mean without a doubt. I mean, the 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.320 hypnosis was pretty incredible. And that's when I was like, 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.760 hold on, you see it in the interview. I'm like, wait, wait, 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.280 hypnosis and he's like, no, no, no, no, it's not 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.080 like that, like there's some more science to it. There's 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.320 some science, you know. And again, look in his defense, 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.560 he's like, I'll do anything to achieve my goal. At 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.560 this point, you know, he was like, you know, when 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.400 he went into the Masters in twenty fifteen, He's got 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.720 the Grand Slam in front of him, and it's like, oh, yeah, 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.800 this will pan out. I mean, look at how incredibly 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.840 successful I've been. Okay, comes up short, comes up short again, 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.160 then again, then again. And I think in twenty eighteen 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.400 with Patrick Reid was when he was really like, oh 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.359 my god, the clock is actually ticking, like what is 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:58.200 happening here? And you start doubting and he starts searching. 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.080 And this is what makes Rory's story so incredible. It 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.520 makes Rory himself as a as an athlete, but as 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.639 a as a guy who's a like he's a deep thinker, 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.479 and he he he's willing to go there, not just 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.240 you know, with us in the film, but with himself 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.920 right on a personal level, like he's like, Okay, what 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.560 could I do differently? And everybody's got to kind of 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.440 chart their own path. And I think you know, there 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.240 was a point where we called that scene in the 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.760 kitchen sink, you know, because Rory was just like, I'm 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.919 going to throw everything at it. And ultimately, you know, 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.880 again it's no surprise he had to figure out how 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:40.320 to just care less, you know what I mean, Like 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.280 sometimes you got to take It's like this in a 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.399 quantum theory, right, It's like you got to take your 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.840 eye off the thing, and the thing moves in space, 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:52.560 and so you can't be so laser focused otherwise you 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.680 sees up, you know, and so there's this real challenging 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.879 practice and so you know, it's like just back to 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.880 back to letting go. You know, it's very it's very 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:06.080 zin in many ways. 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.760 You know, something you said about the athletes and their 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:15.360 belief Through the years that I've known Rory and preceding 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.960 this win, in any conversation I ever had with him, 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.680 you know, it always arrested my senses in conversation when 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.400 the Masters came up, it was he. I never heard 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.960 him say if I win the Masters. It always was 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.800 when I win the Masters. And like me as a human, 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.119 you know, like part of me sometimes was gonna be 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.399 like buddy, I I don't know if that's gonna happen. 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:45.080 But he had that belief of when. 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:52.119 In this round, you know, I I think it's like 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.040 you guys described it well, and I think a lot 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.760 of people kind of pointed to this as like any 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:03.439 Bryson was the target and the challenge early on, and 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:07.359 I think you included like a SoundBite of somebody saying, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.880 you know, then he had to beat himself. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:11.960 To a certain. 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:17.800 Extent with all these huge moments and all like huge 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:22.359 moments in the sense magical and tragic within one round 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:26.159 of golf. How did you go about choosing which ones 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:31.400 you wanted to amplify, you know, because you could show everything, you. 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:37.320 Know, Yeah, I mean that was a ongoing conversation internally 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.080 with our edit team, and you know, we went, you know, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.920 we went all in. You know, are we seeing every 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:44.760 single hole? And then we went, oh no, we're going 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.160 to pull out most of him and make it, make 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:48.960 it more about his journey. And then it was like, 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.760 oh no, no, no, no, no, Now we're coming back. And so 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.280 we sort of landed in the middle. And look, it 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.640 was this ongoing conversation with Rory with his team. They 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:02.560 all have different holes that meant different things. There were 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:04.680 some that had a level of nuance or I was like, man, 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.239 that is so in the weeds, dude, I don't even 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.160 know if I understand what you're talking about right now. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:15.679 So look, I think there's a roller coaster ride that 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.359 is obvious in the sense that he starts with the 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:22.600 lead and he immediately loses that thing right out the gate. 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.800 You're just like, okay, so we're showing a whole one. 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.479 He's tied after one, then he loses it after two, 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.040 and you're like, oh my god, now what you know what, 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.280 We're going to show you what happened in twenty eleven, right, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:39.479 this is just like that, right, So you know, for us, 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:43.119 it was about finding to the extent that we could 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.399 parallels between the twenty five round and his and his 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:51.240 past and where he's been before, and sometimes those mirrored 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.439 each other, and they rhymed and sometimes they didn't. But 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.199 it was okay from a from a storytelling standpoint. And so, 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.600 you know, once we come back to twenty five and 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.679 by a whole three and four, you know, he's the 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.000 Roary that we've seen before, who's just you know, sharp clean, 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.720 And next thing, you know, he's got a bigger lead 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.040 by the end of four than he did at the 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:14.439 beginning of the day, and you're like, okay, Then we 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.879 go back in time and we see, like, this is 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.879 the young prodigy who went on this meteoric rise after 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.520 the incident in twenty eleven. Three out of the four 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.920 majors in his pocket in three years. That's who this 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.960 guy was. And now here we are in twenty five 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.479 and that's who this guy is, right, let's see it. 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:37.679 And so then things start to unfold, and so you know, 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.080 it was a constant conversation about how to use the 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:46.000 holes in different ways. You know, Whole seven, well, whole 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:50.760 five was sort of the first like recovery shots, and 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.840 so you know, how deep do we go there? Do 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.200 we not go too deep? Because Whole seven is even 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.399 a better example of it because he has the conversation 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.360 with Harry and Harry's like, dude, just chip it out, 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.000 like what are you thinking? And when we went to 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.040 Augusta and we were filming there with him, and we 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.880 walked the course and he's like, yeah, so dre's here's 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.360 where I was. And I'm like here and he's like yeah. 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.280 And I looked up and I'm like, that's the gap 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.240 you shot through. He's like yeah yeah. And I'm like, dude, 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.359 if I'm in his position, all I see are like 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.720 four huge trunks of trees and I'm just like, I'm 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.080 literally just like moving that thing over the fairway. There's 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:36.159 no version where you're taking that shot. And he's like, 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.200 oh yeah, I totally have a shot. And Harry's like 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.640 all right, dude, let's see what you got. And so 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:46.360 that became an example of like that squash buckling, exciting, 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.800 you know, approach that he has in his game, which 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.280 makes watching Rory so fun because you're like, dude, he's 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.600 not a robot out there. He's a painter, right, He's 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.800 like an artist. He likes to move, and he likes 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.160 to do things that are unexpected, and he takes he 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.880 takes risks. Jack would say he's taken too much risk 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.400 over the years, and so it was interesting to get 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.120 Jack's perspective, Who's like, he's got to temper that a 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.080 little bit. So, Look, it took Rory fourteen years to 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.840 listen to Jack, and I think it ultimately paid off. 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.960 You mentioned Harry, he famously never goes any interviews. 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:25.480 Did you consider asking if he'd do one for this? 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.600 Oh, come on, Andy. We we tried so hard and 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.440 we were like, oh my god. We were like, we 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.080 would not put it to bed, you know, and his 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.840 team blessed their hearts. Everybody went to bat for us. 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.160 I mean, as you see in the film. I mean, 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.000 we had the honor and privilege of sitting down with 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.440 Rory's mom and dad, who also don't do much press, 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.160 haven't done much in years, and they were so kind 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.200 and generous with their time and their inside and they 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.719 were just I mean, you know, I think they really 0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.040 they really make the film if you ask me. So. 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.400 You know, once, once mom and dad came into the fold, 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.440 that really unlocked a lot of the film and yeah, 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.680 we continue to try to put some pressure on Harry 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.400 from different points, you know, vantage points. Ultimately he's like, guys, 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.480 I'm not I'm not one for the limelight. So he uh, 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:21.400 he respectfully declined, but his presence is there. 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:27.960 I was having a conversation the Sunday that Rory won 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.280 with a journalist who was attempting to put together a 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.720 story about Rory's caddy, and he was like. 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:36.800 I can't pin him down. 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.600 He won't give me an interview, you know, And he was, 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.520 you know, kind of like the strife of you know, 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:45.600 he never never gives us anything. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.000 And I go, well, doesn't that make him a perfect caddy? 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:52.640 You know, because he he you know, cat, I you 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.920 know this, it's an interesting dynamic every journalist and media 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.880 member and thus fans love the cat that always have 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.120 time for to talk about what's going on. But in 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.120 a way, if you're a player, maybe you want your 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.320 caddie to just not say anything. 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:13.520 Yeah, just keep keep keep keep them guessing, keep them 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.200 on their toes, you know. 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:22.520 With regards to Jerry and Rosie in some respects that 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.080 are kind of the stars of the film. Uh, and 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:29.160 they obviously do not participate in media or interviews very 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:36.120 often in terms of your work. What what is their contribution? 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.640 Do you feel Ad added the most to the film? 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.640 Yeah, I mean, look, I think you know, what what 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:53.520 makes Rory's story so interesting and inspirational ultimately is Rory's 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.520 not unlike a lot of other boys and girls who 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.480 you know, have a dream, right and and and and 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:06.120 as crazy and naive as that dream may seem, Rory 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.360 was fortunate enough to have parents who saw in him 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:14.560 this crazy obsession but recognized that his obsession was actually 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:20.400 was pretty good. And they decided, you know, against you know, 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.320 probably better judgment, that they were going to make some 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:27.000 big sacrifices on his behalf and see how things would 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.760 play out. And so, you know, they came from modest 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.320 means in Northern Ireland, and they decided to take on 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.320 additional work and you know, work extra shifts at night 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:42.560 to support Rory's Rory's dream. And you know, I think 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.120 as an origin story, that's where things begin with him 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.000 and his family and families everything to Rory. He was 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.680 an only child and so mom and dad were the 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.280 center of his universe. It was just mom, dad and golf. 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.920 And so to have the opportunity to sit down with 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:01.640 with his his mom and dad. Look, everything that they 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.920 shared with us was instrumental and key to sort of 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:10.240 understanding in a deeper way, you know, the kind of 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.840 kid Rory was and just how this whole dream became 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.440 a reality and they were able to shed some light 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.400 on stuff. I mean, you know, it's it's no secret 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.680 that Rory's you know, had challenges with putting. But to 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:28.320 hear Mom just share, you know, the frustrations that Rory 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.760 had as a young boy that you know, there's some 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.040 stuff that didn't all make it in the film, but 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.480 you know she was like, look, he'd say, Mom, I'm 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.680 gonna go out and I'm gonna putt, and she went, okay, Rory. 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.840 And then he'd he'd go out and he'd just pick 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.160 up his chipper and he'd just start chipping and that's 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.440 all he'd do. He'd just jip. He wouldn't put you know. 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.080 So it's that kind of level of insight that was 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:54.840 just like so great to hear and understand and you understand, 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:59.320 like it just Pete paints this really like interesting and 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.200 complex picture of you know, how Rory came to be. 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:09.080 You know, a lot of doc betaries have people uh 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:14.320 doing voiceovers, and you guys chose some more traditional method 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.359 of letting you know, the scenes and the stand up 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:18.920 talking heads tell the story. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.840 Why do you think that benefited this narrative? 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.600 Yeah, I mean I think the you know, again, going 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.640 back to kind of how we structured the film, this 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.960 sort of like dual timeline between the twenty five Sunday 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.640 round and then sort of Rory's kind of backstory and experience. 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:39.280 There was a lot of sort of threading that needed 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.239 to be done. And along the way, you know, we 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.840 were fortunate, you know, to be able to have this 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.640 you know, great rapport with Rory and you know, he 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.279 wanted the film to be good obviously, and so he 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:53.960 was like, guys, I'm going to give you, I'm going 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.680 to give you quite a bit of my time, don't 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.040 you know, don't don't let me down. So the pressure 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.919 was on to deliver, and and Rory was very very 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:10.120 open with his time. And it's you know, it's it's 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:15.040 rare to have someone in sport really be able to 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.640 kind of like tell their story. I mean, I'm thinking 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.200 of you know, the Tiger doc for example. I mean, 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.040 Tiger doesn't even appear in the thing. You know, there's 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:26.960 others out there where you're hearing from the guys, but 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:32.040 he he really provided the backbone, right, So we just 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.319 wanted to make this like here's Rory, He's guiding us 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.160 through this thing, and then along the way, these are 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.799 the people in his world. And so to hear from 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:43.160 mom and dad, to hear from you know, his putting 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:49.160 coach and golf analyst Brad Faxon was really insightful. You know. Ultimately, 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.319 Rory enlisted the help of doctor Bob Rotella, so you know, 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.120 hearing from from doctor Bob about the work that they 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.240 do and seeing how all that kind of plays into 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.799 you know, Rory's experience in twenty five. You know, I 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.480 thought it was really the way to go in terms 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.680 of just bringing the story to light. Sometimes you got 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:15.120 to just do the thing, you know, you know, simple 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.560 as simple can can be good, and so that's what 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:19.560 we're we're shooting for. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.439 You mentioned a willingness like you know, hey, I want 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.560 this to be good being open. How much did you 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.520 have to push Rory to be honest about his failures 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.680 in the interviews or was it an open book? And 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.440 and how does that compare with other subjects in your 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:39.160 in your career. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.200 Well back to your earlier question, Andy about like, you know, 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.040 having worked with a handful of various elite athletes, you 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.919 know there is there a common you know, uh kind 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:53.800 of theme that you can draw between them, or personality traits. 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.440 I will say, and maybe this is obvious to a 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:01.600 lot of listeners, but they don't talk about the bad. 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.080 They don't like to talk about the bad. They don't 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.560 want to dwell on the bad. These guys thrive on 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:12.440 positivity and short memories right and keeping things light. And 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.880 so Rory's rare because he is willing to go there, 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:22.799 but it's taken time. And when you do that at 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.719 that level where he's still competing, you still have to 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:29.160 be careful not to dwell on it or get too 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.759 deep into it in some ways. And so I think 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.160 for Rory and for other athletes, it's always this fine 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.239 line between like, Okay, yes, let me spend some time 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.520 kind of thinking about this, because we are trying to 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:46.200 create and share a story versus I got a tournament 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.480 in two days, and like, the last thing I want 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:50.880 to do is be like bringing up all this stuff 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.040 that's going to like maybe cloud me in some ways, 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.520 and so I think there's this penchant to always keep 0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.920 things kind of light and positive. But look, to Rory's credit, 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.440 he's been at this a long time. He's he's asked 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.200 himself the hard questions. He's had some really really challenging 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:16.280 stretches in his career, lots of doubt, and so yeah, 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.120 to his credit, he was willing to go there at 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.040 times and share with us, you know, when he was 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.800 starting to lose a little bit of love for the game. 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.279 And I think it was right around that kind of 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.960 twenty seventeen twenty eighteen time when you know he was 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:36.719 searching and needed to find a different way. And you know, 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:41.280 there's no prescription, right if there was, all these guys 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:45.240 would be you know, successful every time. There's no prescription, 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.720 and so you got to find that process that works 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.719 for you and trust, trust the outcome, but don't pay 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:53.799 too much attention to it. 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:55.959 Yeah. 0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:00.319 I think the other crazy thing about golf is, you 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.000 know a lot of sports that's one you win or 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.200 you lose, and golf it's you know, you have to 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.560 beat In the case of the Masters, eighty nine ninety 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:16.600 other guys who are all attempting to win like it 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.560 is a It is a true winner takes all sport, 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.440 which is the wild aspect of the margins that you're 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.000 you're speaking of how razor thin they. 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:31.640 Are, Yeah, I mean incredibly razor thin. And it's also 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:38.160 the one sport. You know, again, you could dig into 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:42.040 this in every sport, but to be leading with the 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.200 lead and to be chasing that lead I think take 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:49.960 on a completely different complexion in golf because it's so 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.840 singular and so I mean you saw yesterday the LPGA 0:39:55.000 --> 0:40:02.040 here where you know, yeah, like Nellie Korda was like, 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.160 you know what, four or five strokes back maybe at 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.319 the beginning of the day, and next thing, you know, 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.680 she's got an opportunity to take the lead, and she's 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.840 been charging all day just like in that position to 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.600 just get after it. And then when she has that 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.080 opportunity on the on the back nine, she tightens up 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.560 and she can't quite do it and she's like oh, 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:24.759 and then it ends up getting away from her and 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.600 Kim ends up winning. And so you know, golf is 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.840 so tricky that way, and so you see with Rory, 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:37.680 I mean, you know, after the front or the first nine, 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.560 I'm using good Augusta speak there, just just noting that 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:42.719 that's from the shout out to. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:46.879 A guy Pat, I heard it, okay, all right. 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:51.080 So after the first nine he's like, oh, Bryson was 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:54.000 no longer in contention. I felt like I was. I was, 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:58.200 you know, I was in control. And then here comes 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.880 another shark and it's just and Rose and they end 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.319 up trading the lead back and forth, you know, three 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.279 four times practically before they get to the eighteenth hole, 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:12.960 and it's just that like constant push and pull and uh, 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.719 I think that part of the game is super fascinating. 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:20.200 And just like man talk about razor thin margins at 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:24.480 every step, it's a lot it's so hard to. 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.200 Win outside of that. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:31.880 I you know, curious as a golfer, you know, you've 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.800 you've made most of your career outside of golf. You 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.960 you work on this project that's you know, so golf. 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.680 Was there anything else that that like kind of crystallized 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.040 to you about the sport or rory for that batter 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.200 that you wouldn't have had this perspective had you not 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:51.400 worked on this project. 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:59.000 Yeah, I mean a lot of it comes back to again, 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.840 I don't want to take anything away, you know from 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.400 you know, all the time and energy that needs to 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.360 go into perfecting a swing, you know, and Rory's got 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.120 one of the prettiest swings in the game. But there 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.040 really is and we've talked about this a little bit 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:15.839 at different points, there really is something to be said 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:20.600 about trusting where you're at, you know, and not over 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:27.279 cooking it, overthinking it, you know, the instruction manual as 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.359 Brad Faxon calls it. You know, we all fall into 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.160 that trap of the how to, you know, how we're 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.560 going to do this thing. And there was this great 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:40.040 moment and again this is just like talk about the 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.880 challenge of filmmaking and editing. I mean, some of the 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.200 greatest moments don't make it into the movie because they 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.000 just sometimes they get in the way. And there was 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.360 this great moment with Jack in his interview and I 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:56.000 said to him, I said, so, you know the best 0:42:56.000 --> 0:43:00.000 to ever do it? You know, you know the mass 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.080 like the back of your hand. You played Augusta a 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.480 million times, Like, what's the secret to the greens? How 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.719 do you read greens? And he goes, he steps back 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:16.680 and he goes, it's just feel that's it. And I'm like, oh, 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.640 come on, there's got to be there's more to it. 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:20.279 You just don't want to share all the insight. And 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.400 he's like, no, sometimes you got to just feel it. 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.439 You got to trust where you've been, trust the work 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.439 you've put in, and you've got to kind of feel 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.000 your way around the greens sometimes. And so he's like, 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.440 you'll see, guys, they spend too much time over the 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.040 over the ball, you know, common mistake, right, You're just 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.359 you're over it too long. The next thing, you know, 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:43.040 one too many thoughts. So to answer your question, I 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.520 think in the simplest terms, Andy, it's like, what's the 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:51.000 big takeaway I had, which is just like hic be open, 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.480 trust that process and like let go. Got it. We 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.120 have to learn to let go. And it's like it's 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.640 the one sport where you're like, oh, but you just 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.200 got to let go. And Rory obviously is a testament 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.920 to that, especially on Sunday when things could have gone 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:11.279 south fast or even further south than they appeared to 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:12.440 go on certain holes. 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.240 You know, it's. 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.799 I mean, that's the assets of the sport. It's the 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:23.400 hardest sport to let go. Yeah, it's the simplest advice. 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.920 It's the best advice is to just let go because 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.160 like you think about, like biomechanics just work better when 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.680 you're relaxed, right, your body moves more freely, all these things. 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.280 I was talking to somebody. It was more about life 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.440 than about golf, but I heard it and it stuck 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.279 with me for golf. And I've only played one round 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.840 since this, and I played just an unbelievable round. 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:49.920 But this person said to me, Andy, you can't go. 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:54.640 Back and litigate how you got here, and you can't 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.120 also consume yourself about thinking. 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.959 About where you're going. You just have to be where 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:00.439 you are. 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.640 And I use this for golf, and it was transcendent 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.840 for my mental approach. But it's you know, it's like 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:12.240 these things. It's like a fleeting thing. That's the beauty 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:16.680 of golf. It's inconquerable or unconquerable. 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:18.120 It just candever. 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.799 Yeah. Yeah, And you watch these guys. I mean it's 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.160 like that's why Rory talks so much about like it's 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.680 like you got to string four good rounds together. You 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.000 know how hard that is. And when you go back 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.919 and look at his twenty five Masters run, I mean, 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:37.920 you know some say it wasn't four, it was maybe 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.920 two or two and a half, you know, and he 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.000 got away with one and you know, or you know, 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:47.239 maybe it was three. But to be that consistent at 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:51.200 that level is the hardest thing you could possibly do. 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.960 So for us, you know, just the guys that are 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.080 out here trying to have a good time with some friends. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.400 I'm just trying to beat my buddies. I'm just trying 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.279 to win the little stack of stack of dough. I'm 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.560 just honestly, I'm just trying to hit the ball straight 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.800 half the time, you know what i mean. And it's like, yeah, 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.480 I'll go, oh, what did I do last time? Why 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:12.759 I didn't it work this time? It's like no, no, no, no, 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.799 no no. Just get up there, try to get in 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.520 the moment, do your routine, and just try to feel 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:20.120 your way through this a little bit more and not 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:21.200 think your way through this. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.920 It's I mean, it's just like what Rotella said about 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.640 in the in the piece, I thought that was an 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.280 amazing Like I've made a career tell you know, everybody 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.719 says you can't do this, you know, and win a tournament, 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.000 and I've made a career telling people it's okay that 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:43.160 people do these mistakes and still win all the time. 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.600 Yeah, Yeah, that was a really great retort when we 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.200 found that little moment. We've kind of again, editing is 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.520 editing is alchemy, right, and I think it's like filmmaking 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.840 is funny. There's a lot of parallels to to golf. 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.399 It's like, you know, in filmmaking, I like to think 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:00.680 about three movies are being made. You know, it's the 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.080 one you plan and write and the one you shoot, 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.040 and then there's the one you edit, you know, and 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:10.239 all three they're all related, they're all cousins of each other, 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.239 but they're all different. And the editing process itself is 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:16.640 where these things all come together. And when we had 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:20.040 that great biting line from one of the BBC commentators, 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.960 it was just like, oh my god, how could Roy 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:26.080 McElroy end up in the bunker on his approach shot 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:31.000 on the eighteenth, Like you can't win like that, not 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.840 if you're working with doctor Bob Sky's the limit. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.560 It's one day we'll have to have you come on 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.359 and do a whole filmmaking golf comp you know podcast. 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:48.560 But Drey, congratulations on your work. I'm sure you're excited 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:52.040 for the world to see it, and hopefully we'll see 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:56.759 you do a couple bore projects in golf before you're 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:57.720 enter of your career. 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:01.560 Man spread the word, Andy, I'm like, man, I got 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.840 the bug. I'm all in. It was great, Rory's incredible 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.440 to work with, his team was fantastic. So yeah, I 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.239 had a great time. So yeah, excited, excited for the 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.160 film to come out, and yeah, I'll see you guys around. 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.000 I just a word of caution, don't make golf your 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.560 full time thing because then, you know what you learn 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.760 is golf golf goes away, your personal golf goes away. 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.799 So totally right, You're like, I don't have time to 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.280 do this. That's the thing. It's like everybody thinks golf 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.920 is an expensive sport by all means it is not cheap, 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.840 but it's it's expensive in time, right, It's like you 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:39.920 need that more than anything else. 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:41.919 Yeah, all right, thanks Dray. 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:43.640 Yeah I appreciate it. 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:53.080 All right. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.840 Before we get to PJ Clark and our ten Masters favorites, 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.439 let's talk about our friends over at Perfect Practice, putting bat. 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.600 You know what Rory needed when he was a kid, 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.279 you know's Terrey's talking about how his mom mentions He 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:12.600 never liked putting, never never liked practicing putting. A perfect 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:14.840 practice putting bat would have been perfect for him for 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.400 his house. I've got one that's set up. It's uh, 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.600 it really helps me with putting. I don't go practice 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:23.960 putting at putting greens anymore because frankly, I have a 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.600 five year old and I don't have a lot of time. 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.439 But like the things that I like to do when 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.560 I go practice putting is I like to just sit 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:36.239 and hit four footers that are dead straight because I 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.520 feel like, hey, if I make all these putts that 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.239 I'm not going to be have bad putting days. Like 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.080 if I just make all the putts that I want 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.359 to make that I need to make, which is four 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.680 feet in, it's great for that. I used to always 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.400 love to putt with a chalk line when I practice putting. 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.839 It has basically a virtual chalk line. 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But I'm 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:02.880 happy to be here. 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.600 Vocally, you're gonna be credentialed for your first Masters. 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:12.239 It's uh, it's it's very grateful, very excited for the opportunity, 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.000 very daunted by the task ahead of me. But I 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:15.719 can't wait. 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:21.000 Do you have one thing you're most excited about other 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:22.000 than the snack stand? 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.640 I was gonna say the peach ice cream sandwich. Has 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.000 been calling my name since last year, so I think 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:30.879 I think, you know, that's maybe poorly, but that's where 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.400 my head went first when you when you asked that question. 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:38.040 That's great, that's great. Anything from like the actual golf 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:39.120 that you're excited about. 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:44.880 Uh yeah, I think, as you said before, everybody except 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.240 for Scotty and Rory has kind of been in rounding 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.279 into form or at least has been informed at some 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.920 point this year. So it uh for as wide open 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:59.080 as the top end of this field feels. I think 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:02.799 it'll be interesting seeing Scotty now with a second kid, 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.240 some added perspective, maybe a little bit, but it seems 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.719 like it's gonna be a good master, So the golf 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.000 should be good at the very least. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:14.520 This was so hard it was figuring out ten to ten. 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:19.680 I found myself wanting to spill into like fifteen. You know, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.759 I could get with some sleepers to twenty. You know, 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.640 if I get if I extended, you know, to Corey Connors, 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.600 he could maybe get me to like thirty. 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:33.680 Well, Corey Connors is open for interpretation, but I think 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.400 you can make a legit argument for a list of 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.840 ten guys. You can make a legit argument for probably 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:43.319 I had seventeen on my initial I got to cut 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.400 seven guys off of this list. I think you can 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.880 make a legit argument for fifteen seventeen ish guys to 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:50.759 be in a top ten. 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.640 All right, let's go ten through one, or do you 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:54.719 want to go one through ten? 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.719 Oh, whichever way you want. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:58.480 I mean, I think. 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:00.480 Everybody knows there's gonna be one. Why don't we just 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:04.080 start there. This doesn't have to be brief for me. 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.759 He's in a slump, per se. He don't tell him 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.120 he's in a slump. As we learned a couple of 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:13.480 weeks ago. He's been a little grumpier than usual, but 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.799 he's still, you know, operating. I'm going to take the 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.600 body of work over the last three years, operating a 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:25.479 completely different plane than everybody else. Scottie Scheffler, two time 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:29.200 Masters winner, of course, is tailor made for him. There 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.760 are some like alarming things. His iron play just hasn't 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:36.720 been very good this year obviously. You know, Augusta Nashvial 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:40.760 is a second shot golf course. It is super dependent 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:44.560 on hitting precise second shots. That being said, if you're 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.600 not hitting precise shots, you know what you want. You 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.000 want Scotty Scheffler short game because it allows you and 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.400 we've seen this time after time this year where he's 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:55.960 like clearly visibly off and then you tally up the 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:58.360 scores and it's like, oh, he shot sixty nine today. 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.879 Scotty is Scotty's My number one is a year number one. 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:07.359 Yeah, he's number one until he's not. In terms of 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.800 the body of work, as you said, and the course 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:16.080 history at Augusta, I am curious the current trends of 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:20.080 Thursdays not being his best day. This might be the 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.879 ultimate litmus test of how far back is too far 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.240 back on Thursday? Where is the line if he shows 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.880 up and does not have his best stuff on Thursday. 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.600 He tends to get better throughout the tournaments that we've 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:36.600 seen this year. But I'm sure somebody will have a 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:39.320 power rankings list within the next couple of weeks without 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.319 Scotty at the top. But that's a bridge too far 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:42.640 for me. 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.839 Yeah, I just couldn't get there. Who did you guys 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:47.000 have going number two? 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.200 I have Bryson to Shambo number two right now. I 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:56.400 think the live results are inarguable. At this point, he 0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.680 is won back to back events on live took down 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:04.800 John in a playoff. Most recently has the course history 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.839 at Augusta. Obviously, the the struggles with his iron game 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:15.200 distance control have have shown in Sunday, especially last year 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.720 in the final pair with Rory. I think his putting 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.520 kind of got away from him. He's such a good 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:24.640 putter with speed control, and on Sunday, watching back as 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.759 watching the documentary from earlier and watching back the final round, 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.600 his putting just completely got away from him on Sunday 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:33.960 last year. And I am interested to see how he 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.680 kind of responds after taking you know, Rory used the 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:39.759 Mike Tyson quote in the documentary if everybody's got a 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:41.799 plan until they get punched in the mouth. Brison got 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:43.880 punched in the mouth pretty hard last year on Sunday 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.640 at the Masters. So I'm excited to see how he 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:47.319 comes back. 0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:50.560 You know, it's the second year that he struggled with 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:54.600 distance control. He cited that in his press conference last 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.239 year leading into the Masters. Is He's like I've been, 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.120 I really struggled with with the speed of the greens 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:04.440 and getting my pacing right. And I think that's like 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.520 a bugaboo of his at Augusta. 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:09.960 But I mean he's had a you know, short of Rory, 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:11.840 his career at. 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:15.840 The Masters has been fascinating, like he's had like the 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:17.960 whole run of it and kind of out of nowhere 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:21.920 the last two years he has been contending after years 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.960 of struggles where you know, a fun bet every year 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.960 was him versus Larry Meies to now where he's number 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.440 two on your board, he's number three on my board. 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.680 We'll just dispense the rest of it here. This is 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:39.760 the best he's played coming into the Masters in recent memory, 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:42.880 really since he went to Live. It's the best he's played. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.040 He hasn't been like a constant presence on the leader board. 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.160 You know, you go back to Adelaide, he played in 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.439 the final group. He played poorly in the final group, 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.920 but he was in the final group where Anthony Kim won. 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.600 And then he's won the last two, the last two events. 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.759 He's teed it up in coming into it a lot 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:00.879 of confidence at a golf course that he I think, 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:03.040 he's like, really how to figure it out, how to 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:07.160 play Tita Green, where to pick his spots. Understands like, 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:10.360 you can't just overpower the golf course, but you can, 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:13.960 you know, you can work your way around it and 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.439 get the success that that you're looking for, you don't, 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:21.200 you know, it's so I think Bryson for me is 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:24.000 one of the big stories. I put Rory number two. 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.640 I guess, you know, he he showed me a lot. 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.920 I think like he contended obviously a genesis without like 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.560 his a stuff. I think Bayhill, if he doesn't get 0:57:34.640 --> 0:57:38.200 hurt there, he is rounding into he. I think he 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.320 probably would have been the favorite going into. 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:44.240 The weekend at that tournament. You know, that's where I 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:45.280 would have probably put him. 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.120 I think that Rory, you know, despite you know the 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.640 back issue that lingered through the players. 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.440 We won't see him before the Masters. 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.919 He's not going to play San Antonio, so this will 0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.320 be you know, he'll come in a little bit under 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:03.200 the radar, but it's gonna be like I'm fascinated by it, 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.680 Like it's a wild card putting him at number two. 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.760 But I'm fascinated about the dynamic of like you've gone, 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.120 you know, the last almost twenty years of your life, 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:16.800 like this place has become you know, really since twenty eleven, 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.680 like this haunted house for you, and you finally get 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.800 it done in super dramatic fashion. 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:24.360 Everything is flipped. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.920 Now, it's gone from a place he probably didn't want 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:28.840 to spend a lot of time at, you know, and 0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:32.640 it was always questioning how he should arrive to a 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.240 place that it is probably a pretty comfortable place. 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:36.840 Now yeah, i'd feel pretty good. 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.680 And I think that is you know. 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:42.960 The question to me is like, is it just going 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.760 to be too much to repeat with you know, the 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:50.200 champions dinner and everything. But I mean this has got 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.160 He's gonna be on the first tea on Thursday feeling 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:57.160 of a relief that he's he's never really had there. 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:01.000 Yeah, I think I have him. So we could just 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.560 keep going down the list. Right now we're matched up 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:06.960 in the top three, albeit in a slightly different order here. 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:12.120 I think grinding out the weekend at the Players, you 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:15.080 can tell it it wasn't all there, but some of 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:17.640 the shots he hit, especially on Sunday, like his drive 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.800 on twelve for example, like the speed was still there. 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:25.280 The ability to get the ball as far as possible 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:27.840 was still there, no matter how much the back may 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:32.160 be hurt or didn't. It wasn't all clicking. But I 0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.640 think with a couple weeks of rest off got to 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.400 be riding high. I think the only thing that would 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:40.320 truly surprise me Rory at the twenty twenty six Masters 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.520 is if he won again. If he's contending at a 0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.600 top ten finish, not surprised at all. If it's just 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.160 too much and he misses the cut or is kind 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:52.360 of just loitering on the weekend out there early, not 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.920 surprised at all. I would only be surprised in the 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.280 range of outcomes if if somehow this goes back to 0:59:57.360 --> 0:59:58.880 back we listen. 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:04.200 I think he's like, if anything understands because of last 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.800 year that he doesn't have to be perfect and that 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:09.800 if he just lets the golf course. 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:12.280 Come to him and moments come to him. 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.439 He's got enough horsepower to win there. I mean, it's 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.200 a crazy you know, with last year and all the 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:23.680 swings and the double bogies and the perseverance to win 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:28.960 that event basically won it like three times on Sunday. 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.280 You know it's it's it's crazy after you know, the 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:36.200 resilience to win after what happened on Thursday. Yes, it's 1:00:36.240 --> 1:00:39.160 never talked isn't talked about as much as like he 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:43.120 is cruising on Thursday and then he chips into the 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:47.120 water on fifteen and it just falls apart and shoots 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:51.000 even part. You know, I just think that last year 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:53.520 is going to pay off, a payoff dividends. But this 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.280 is the thing we often do. We always think the 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.280 floodgates are going to open after a win. You know, 1:00:57.680 --> 1:01:00.480 remember after Sergio went getting on air and being like, 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:03.400 this is the floodgates moment, It's gonna happen. Now he's 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:07.160 gonna win three more Majors because you know, he finds 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:07.720 freed up. 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:10.160 So you know, it's it's a it's an. 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:14.120 Amazing storyline going into this year's Masters. It's also very 1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:18.960 nice that we don't have to frame everything through Rory. 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:21.439 Is Rory can finally get it done this year. 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:24.960 Now it's got to be as much of a relief 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.480 for him, it's probably a relief for everybody else because 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:29.400 it's not the number one topic of convercation. 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:32.120 Instead of that, we are going to have likely it 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:34.360 seems likely that we're going to have that. Is Tiger 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:38.560 going to make the cut occupy the first five days 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:39.720 of Masters coverage. 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:41.880 So Tiger is not on your top ten list, is 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:42.440 what you're telling me. 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:46.480 Didn't make my board, Peach didn't make my board. Models 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:51.120 didn't didn't didn't like the the endurance. That's where they 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:51.720 fell short. 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:54.000 You know, understandable, understandable. 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:54.920 Who's four for you? 1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:58.400 I have Cameron Young. This is the number three player 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:01.080 in the world. Number three player in the world, Cameron Young. 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:04.240 You know, I only thought we'd be here in my dreams. 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:08.440 But on ironically, I think when you're you're making a 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:12.240 list of the big game players in today's golf, I 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:14.240 know this is something that Joseph harps on a lot. 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:18.160 Camer Young has to be near the top of that list. 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:21.240 This is a guy that routinely posts top ten, top 1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:25.520 five finishes in a very limited major run, had so 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:29.080 much success early almost one that opened at Saint Andrews 1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:31.840 was in it until literally the final putt was trying 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:34.600 to make a one on the eighteenth hole at Saint 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:36.880 Andrews because that's what he knew he needed to win 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.880 a major championship. But now is playing the best golf 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:43.160 of his career, is a top flight putter, in a 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:46.560 total reverse of every fate that has gotten him to 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:51.000 this point. You want to talk about Rory's confidence, I 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.800 would find it pretty hard to believe that Camera Young's 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:55.640 confidence is not sky high right now. 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:59.560 Either two top tens and four appearances two miss cuts 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:04.440 hasn't contended deeply. Those would be by concerns. But I 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.320 think this is a mark as you've you've hit on. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.680 He's a different player than he was two years ago, 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:13.720 three years ago. The putter being a weapon is transformational. 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:18.760 So I will go with number four, a guy that 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:22.760 has appeared in Two Basterds and has had a chance 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:28.240 to win two basters Deep on Sunday, Ludwig Obert, he 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:31.560 will be number four on mine. I think he's gonna 1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:33.720 be a very popular bet. He had been a little 1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:37.920 bit in the wilderness in the last few months for 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:41.920 his standards, I would say, but he is coming on strong. 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:45.880 Played very well obviously at the Players, played played well 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:50.080 at Bayhill and and something has clicked and now he's 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:53.240 heading back to a happy hunting ground where I mean, 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:55.480 last year he could have won. 1:03:57.280 --> 1:03:59.320 Or at least very much been in the playoff. 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:03.760 He tried. I mean, that's that's the the TA last 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:07.720 year is not not predicticative and not indicative of what 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:10.520 actually happened there on Sunday, because he tried, he went 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:13.400 for broke, pushed all the chips in and fell the eighth. 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.120 The way you pick off one of these is if 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:19.439 you get in the mix a lot. Yeah, and he's 1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:21.760 been in the mix two for two. I expect him 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.640 to be in the mix. He's just got He's got 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:26.880 the type of game that just makes you know. The 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:30.000 way he drives the ball, if he's if he's clicking, 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:35.080 just makes Augusta. It's a sneaky I mean, everything's important, Augusta, 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:38.480 but it is a sneaky driving test. Like if you 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:41.240 can get the ball to the right spots with a 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:43.560 lot of power, I mean, you make the it's like 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.440 anywhere anywhere this is the case, but it makes the 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:51.439 approach shots so much easier. So Ludwig is my number four. 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:52.280 Who's five for you? 1:04:53.320 --> 1:04:53.560 Uh? 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:55.880 This is where I put John Raum. This was kind 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:59.840 of my biggest question on where got him him? Feels 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:02.160 like he has to be in the top ten just 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:05.280 by giving all of the data is off the charts 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:08.000 within the last three months. He's playing like arguably the 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.560 best player in the world in these live fields for 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:13.720 whatever value you want to place on that, but obviously 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:17.280 has done it before. At Augusta knows his way around. 1:05:18.720 --> 1:05:22.560 I just I don't know how necessarily confident I am 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:26.640 in John Ram showing up and being that top flight player. 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:29.000 He popped at the PGA was kind of the first, 1:05:29.720 --> 1:05:34.560 you know, break back into the premiere flight of a game, 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:37.800 an animjor championship, and then everybody was all in on 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.040 the Open last year and he kind of fell right 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:45.200 back flat on his face. The John Ram hype is building, 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:48.080 and I think within the next ten days we're going 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:51.560 to reach a crescendo where he becomes a very very 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:56.200 popular pick and deservedly so. Five could be way too high, 1:05:56.600 --> 1:06:00.760 or five could be five spots too low. I feel 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:02.240 like right in the middle of the top ten is 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:03.480 where your eye slotted him. 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:07.080 All right, I have him the same spot I you know, 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:12.080 I I think him getting a win was actually important. Yes, 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:14.720 getting the bunky off the back. It had been a 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:18.919 long time since you have won. I think the you know, 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:22.800 the live going to seventy two holes has helped him. 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:26.920 It's just part of like the approach to golf, a 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:31.040 fifty four hole approach, Like you're thinking slightly differently during 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.560 a stroke play tournament than a seventy two hole stroke 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:38.920 play tournament. Listen, I think he's kind of you know, 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:41.360 he's a lot of people are going to talk about him, 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:45.120 but in the in the vein of of of this, 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:48.040 I think he's kind of undervalued at five in a way. 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:50.919 Six. 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:54.360 I've got Cameron Young, who've already talked about at length. 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:55.280 Who's your six? 1:06:56.000 --> 1:06:58.400 I have Xander at six. I feel like it's the 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:05.160 sneakiest possible two time major champion entering the Masters that 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:09.880 was out in the wilderness last year was basically a 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:13.720 lost year, uh, starting off with the injury wins. The 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:17.120 Bay Current starts off slow this year, but has slowly 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.760 but surely rounded back into peak form and is just 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:24.320 kind of loitering for a guy again with an incredible 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.640 major championship record that couldn't just could not figure out 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:30.760 how to get off the snide wins twice in twenty 1:07:30.800 --> 1:07:35.120 twenty four. I think Xander's live. I think he's running, 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:38.760 and I think this is the guy that should be 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:41.760 receiving all of maybe the John rom hype that is 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:43.120 slowly coming to form here. 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:49.680 The iron play has been exceptional and that is the 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:54.560 big the big thing here. I think, like we did 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:56.920 pot a few few weeks ago, it was like we 1:07:57.000 --> 1:08:00.680 need to see something from Xander, and he shown in 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:02.640 the last couple of weeks that he is he is 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:07.280 back at the top level of golf. And we're only 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:12.120 you know, a calendar year removed from him winning you know, 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:15.200 two majors in a year. So I have him ten. 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:21.200 I feel like it's low. It's low for him. 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:24.000 Who knows, But the fact that he is still in 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.479 the bottom half of both of our top tens, even 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:28.640 with me having him at six, I feel like a 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:29.439 fool already. 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:34.639 Honestly, Up next, I've got I've got Justin Rose at seven. 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:38.080 This is where, like when I started to look at 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:41.880 the list, I'm like, this is insane. The guy, you know, 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:46.120 has had an awesome year. He's since at seventh of 1:08:46.160 --> 1:08:49.160 the world. He has one of the best track records 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:54.760 of any player, winners or losers or non winners at 1:08:54.800 --> 1:09:01.920 Augustin National ever, he won the Farmers Insurance at at Tory. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:05.560 You know, he's he's played played well at the Players. 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:09.680 This guy clearly gets up. He's been just such a 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:13.840 factor at major championships and particularly the Masters, Like I'd 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:16.560 be shocked if he's not in the top twelve. 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:18.000 Of this tournament at the end of the day. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:20.920 You know, so I got him at seven, Like I 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:25.080 think this guy's a legitimate threat to win, and that's 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:27.400 why I have him above Xander Like I just I 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:30.639 believe in Justin Rose are the masters, like in insane 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:32.920 amount because he's been there so often. 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:36.640 It's hard to not I have him at ten. Uh, 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:42.000 And I only have him at ten because after Tory 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:43.920 he missed a couple of cuts in a row. I 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:46.400 feel like Justin Rose is like he gets up for 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:48.599 the big events. Now it's like it's kind of all 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:51.639 or nothing where on a week to week basis, Justin 1:09:51.760 --> 1:09:53.880 Rose is not going to flip the switch. But if 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:57.200 it's time to really get in contention, to really push 1:09:57.200 --> 1:09:59.720 the pedal to the floor, Justin Rose is still at 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:01.720 four as good as anybody, But. 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.680 He just won the playoffs. Talk about big moment he 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:06.200 got up for. 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:09.360 He did get up for that, that certainly is true. 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:11.519 He's got a new hat that I'm excited to see 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:13.759 if anybody debuts that on the grounds at Augusta. 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:15.040 Who's your seven? 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:19.120 This is where I had Ludwig. I just I you 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.240 have to have him in the top ten. To question 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:25.960 of how high the innocence your favorite Padrick Harrington quote, 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:29.200 the innocence is now gone. I would say maybe after 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.840 the players, and the scar tissue is building a little bit, 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:34.080 but there is no sneak to your place. 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:37.240 Sneaky scar tissue actually is like if you want to, 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:41.799 if you want to short Ludwig, he has some scar tissue. 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:46.880 Yeah, water is becoming a threat for him between Augusta 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:50.120 and Sawgrass, so you have to have him in the 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:52.800 top ten. It's a very comfy place, as you said, 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:56.519 for him. He should feel in good spirits and ready 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:58.839 to bounce back. But I am a little bit wary 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:00.960 of the scar tissue beginning to build. 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:04.080 All right, I've got number eight. I don't think he's 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:06.880 gonna be on your board, and I think he just 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:14.080 should not be underestimated. At Augusta National, I've got Hideki Matsiama. 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:15.519 He is not on board. 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:18.599 I think this is like. 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:24.320 The least talked about great player who's playing really, really 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:28.479 good golf on the in the lead up like this 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:32.559 year started and I was like, whoa Hidekidki. He looks good, 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:36.240 he's healthy, his finishes. You know, he won the Hero, 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:38.760 which is like whatever, take whatever you want. But then 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:42.960 he goes t thirteen T eleven two second eighth to 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:46.080 start the year. Now he's made the last three cuts, 1:11:46.080 --> 1:11:49.559 they've been inconsequential results. But I'll tell you what he 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:53.400 is a a great ball striker Ta Green and I 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:57.599 don't you know people don't watch TGL normally, but an 1:11:57.600 --> 1:12:01.599 anecdote you you can take away, file away into your 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:05.760 brains forever about Hideki Matsuyama is Roy McElroy talking to 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:09.479 Tiger Woods about how he thinks Hideki Matsuyama has the 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:14.840 best pitching motion there is like and he's always been 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:18.559 criminally under talked about as the best short games in 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:21.400 the world. And at a place where sometimes you just 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:23.680 have to dump a ball off to the side. We 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.200 were just talking about with this with Scotti. You know, 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:28.880 if you have to dump yourself out, you have to 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:32.360 save tough pars because you get out of position. The 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:35.479 number one skill you want to have is a deaf touch. 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:38.200 And that's why Hideki Matsiama and the next guy on 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:41.240 my list are always threats at Augusta National. 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.480 They are short game wizards. 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:45.960 Well, we can just go right to the next guy 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:48.000 on your list, because my number eighth. You want to 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:49.839 talk about the best short game in the world. Patrick 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:55.360 Reed ye is here, and I think it's just incredible 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:57.960 to think back that Patrick Creed came in third at 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:00.600 last year's Masters and was the first and out of 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.840 the playoff. And yeah, it took a little bit of 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.160 a maybe not a lucky journey, but some breaks had 1:13:07.200 --> 1:13:09.160 to go the right way for that to even happen 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:12.120 on Sunday last year in the first place. But you 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:14.760 have to respect everything that Patrick reed is doing to 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:19.160 already earn his way back via the dp World Tour 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:21.719 top ten to the PGA Tour next year. Has two 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:26.120 wins already this year, hasn't played in a month, which 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:28.639 you could convince me that's a good thing. You could 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:30.400 convince me that's a bad thing. Should he be at 1:13:30.439 --> 1:13:32.679 DLF this week. Is it better to be in India 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:35.720 versus not playing for a month. I don't know, but 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:40.200 I'm never ruling Patrick Reid out, especially now that he's 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:42.400 playing well entering the Masters this year. 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:46.920 One of the best stories of the year from like 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:50.160 a just a pure golf whatever you feel about Patrick Reid, 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:53.640 it's like, here's the gauntlet laid down. This is you 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:56.080 want to come back to the PGA Tour, go earn 1:13:56.120 --> 1:13:58.400 it on the DP World Tour and earn it. 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:02.760 And he earned it and basically three weeks. And I 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:03.439 mean he's a guy. 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:07.240 This is you know, there are just people that are 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:11.360 built for Augusta Dashal. He doesn't drive the ball particularly well. 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:15.439 He his iron plays hot or cold. But when you 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:17.400 can get up and down out of out of a 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:22.000 telephone booth, that is an incredible skill to have there. 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:27.559 And you know, if he gets cooking, there's certain people 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:30.559 that just go win golf tournaments and he is one 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:34.599 of those people. So I have him nine on my list. 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:36.479 Who's your number nine? 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:39.599 I have the leader on the PGA Tour and Strokes 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:45.160 gained approach at number nine. Fellow fellow returning to the 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:49.360 PGA Tour lugside Patrick gree Brooks Kopka is uh. I 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.920 think there's some added motivation now that Rory has tied 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:55.639 him in major championships. I think the game is rounding 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:58.160 into form through the floor to swing. Obviously, this is 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:01.559 a big week in Houston as a design consultant place 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:05.840 at Memorial Park. He knows very well. But you mentioned 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.040 the other day on Shotgun Start that maybe his driving 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:11.000 advantage is not as big as it used to be. 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:14.479 Maybe there is no driving advantage at all anymore, because 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:16.839 everybody has gotten so much better and so much longer, 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:20.479 and he's aging out. But the iron play has been 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:24.559 just magnificent. The putter has left a lot to be desired. 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.719 We're putting away a Scotti, Cameron, and now the Spider 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:30.559 is in the bag alongside seemingly everybody else in the world. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:37.200 But can't rule him out. It's hard to given the 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:41.000 recent major championship form since his win at the PGA 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.559 in twenty twenty three, but especially now that he's playing 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.479 on a week to week basis and the numbers are 1:15:46.479 --> 1:15:48.400 there and the iron play is there. Like you said, 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:51.080 it's a second shot golf course. It's not like he's 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:53.800 never contended at a Master's before, so he's got to 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:54.559 make the top ten. 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:58.040 For me, my number ten is Xander who we've already 1:15:58.080 --> 1:16:02.040 talked about. And rounding out the last spot, what's your 1:16:02.120 --> 1:16:03.520 what's your last spot? 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:06.720 Justin Rose, it's uh, it's you have to put on 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:08.760 the list. 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