Speaker 1: January not only a month of resolutions, also a month
Speaker 1: of reflection. Because our past kind of the informs or
Speaker 1: shapes our future. We often find ourselves sifting through events
Speaker 1: of the previous year or years with a little more
Speaker 1: clarity than maybe we had in the midst of our
Speaker 1: turbulent times, and we make conscious decisions to move forward purposefully, wisely,
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Speaker 1: you had times like that in your life? Maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't last year, Maybe it was a whole lot of
Speaker 1: years ago. You were vulnerable, you were making bad choices,
Speaker 1: but somehow, somehow you came through it, You survived, and
Speaker 1: now you're thriving. Good for you, Bravo. Today's podcast guest
Speaker 1: will join me in cheering you on. She knows more
Speaker 1: than a little bit about surviving. Nearly five decades ago,
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, Gloria Gainer, the Queen of Disco,
Speaker 1: released I Will Survive. At the time, she thought she
Speaker 1: had overcome quite a bit the death of her mother,
Speaker 1: a serious spinal cord injury, turmoil with her career, But
Speaker 1: it wasn't until she reached the age of sixty five,
Speaker 1: divorced her husband and manager and had to completely rebuild
Speaker 1: her life that she truly understood the iconic lyrics she
Speaker 1: had been singing all those years. Gloria Gainer joined me
Speaker 1: on Love Someone back in twenty nineteen. We had a
Speaker 1: long chat about those tumultuous years. She had hit rock bottom,
Speaker 1: but came out on top and swinging, or rather on
Speaker 1: top and singing. She's recently written and recorded a gospel album, Testimony,
Speaker 1: that went on to receive a Grammy, and today she's
Speaker 1: back with more exciting news. The movie Gloria Gaynor I
Speaker 1: Will Survive. It's a love letter of sorts to her
Speaker 1: global fan base, a personification of one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic songs ever recorded, and a motivator for everyone facing
Speaker 1: a challenge. The film follows the story of Gloria Gainer
Speaker 1: as she was writing and recording Testimony, which features musical
Speaker 1: guests Bart Millard, Jason Krabb, Mike Ferris, and Yulanda Adams.
Speaker 1: It's a present day's story with footage and interviews that
Speaker 1: tells of Gloria's incredible life and what led to the
Speaker 1: creation of this album. Bringing the documentary to life has
Speaker 1: been a labor of love for Immy nominated director and
Speaker 1: executive producer Betsy Schneckner, who started filming in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: just as Gloria was beginning the recording process. True to
Speaker 1: documentary making, Betsy had no idea that it would lead
Speaker 1: to a ten year journey with the legendary singer. We're
Speaker 1: going to hear about it firsthand from the Queen. I'll
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Speaker 1: to see you again, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Last time we talked was four years five years ago,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and now you are. You were telling me
Speaker 1: at the time that you had something in the works
Speaker 1: that you were excited about, and now you have birthed
Speaker 1: that something and we get to catch up today and
Speaker 1: find out what God is doing in your life.
Speaker 3: Well, he's working unders this documentary that has been at
Speaker 3: several what do you call film festivals and done very
Speaker 3: very well, gotten really good reports and a few awards.
Speaker 3: It's doing great and I'm very pleased about it.
Speaker 1: So Gloria Gainer nineteen seventy eight, the year I graduated
Speaker 1: from high school. You were number one on the charts,
Speaker 1: and I was a kid in Reedsport, Oregon, three thousand
Speaker 1: people working at the radio station, and you know, because
Speaker 1: it was such a small town and a small station,
Speaker 1: we got to pick the music that we played, so
Speaker 1: the owners only let me on in the afternoon when
Speaker 1: the kids got out of high school. They were playing
Speaker 1: like Scandinavian music. I kid you not on this radio
Speaker 1: stations during some parts of the day because it was
Speaker 1: a big Scandinavian community. But I remember playing and dancing
Speaker 1: in the studio and singing at the top of my
Speaker 1: lungs your anthem, I Will survive, which has now become
Speaker 1: more than an anthem. It really is your testimony and
Speaker 1: your documentary, your movie. Where was your head at while
Speaker 1: I was a teenage kid in read Sport, Oregon singing
Speaker 1: along really off key with you?
Speaker 3: Well, I was very much looking forward to the success
Speaker 3: of the song and being able to uplift and inspire people,
Speaker 3: you know, all over the world with that song.
Speaker 1: So, even as young as you were, your motivation was
Speaker 1: to inspire folks.
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, And then we.
Speaker 1: Talked about this back in twenty nineteen, but for folks
Speaker 1: just joining us on love. Someone tell us what and
Speaker 1: I know this is what the movie is about. Which
Speaker 1: is going to be in theaters for only one day?
Speaker 1: M h, only one day? What is it going to
Speaker 1: be on a platform after that? Because you know I
Speaker 1: work nights? Sure, okay, do you know which platform?
Speaker 2: Yet? Not yet?
Speaker 1: Not yet okay, that is yet to be announced. Tell
Speaker 1: us some of the things since nineteen seventy eight that
Speaker 1: you have survived, because it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy eight, I've survived the passing.
Speaker 2: Of all of my siblings, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: And a couple of spine surgeries, a few fine spine surgeries,
Speaker 3: a couple of knee replacements, a few knee replacements.
Speaker 1: So you're the bionic woman, is what you're telling us.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And you know, just the natural ups and
Speaker 3: downs that happen to other people, different illness. You know,
Speaker 3: you get sick, you get well, you know, you you
Speaker 3: you have friends you don't have you know, you fall
Speaker 3: out with somebody, you have an argument, you get back together,
Speaker 3: and you know all that kind of thing. Divorce, you know, marriage,
Speaker 3: as if your marriagers isn't traumatic enough. And then I
Speaker 3: got divorced, and so this it's been a lot.
Speaker 1: I saw a little preview of the of the documentary,
Speaker 1: and in it you were talking about how in the
Speaker 1: course of your marriage you allowed yourself to be controlled,
Speaker 1: and that resonated with me because I look at you.
Speaker 1: You know, you were our anthem, the strongest woman. Anytime
Speaker 1: we saw you on stage, you were just so large
Speaker 1: and in charge and powerful. That powerful voice and your
Speaker 1: your dance and everything just screamed I'm in I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in control of this. And yet the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is, like many other women in performance or
Speaker 1: the arts or just life, somehow we let our power
Speaker 1: be taken away, We give it away, well let it
Speaker 1: be diminished. How did that? How did that impact you?
Speaker 1: And where are you at now?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a line in the movie, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're familiar with the movie called for
Speaker 3: Colored Girls, and there's a line in that movie where
Speaker 3: she says, I almost let him get away with all
Speaker 3: my stuff and that and I lived that I almost let.
Speaker 2: Him get away with all my stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like yeah, And so I was
Speaker 3: able to pull away and back up and regroup and
Speaker 3: get my act together. And you know, I always say
Speaker 3: I often say to my friends, God had to drop God.
Speaker 3: God said, I'm gonna have to drop a house on
Speaker 3: my baby girl because she's stupid.
Speaker 1: Old think I'm listening. I didn't hear the word stupid.
Speaker 1: I heard the word hard headed, because you are anything
Speaker 1: but stupid, but perhaps a tiny bit hard headed.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, definitely hard headed and so yeah, but
Speaker 3: when the house fell, I mean I jumped up and
Speaker 3: got my act together and pulled out and survived and
Speaker 3: now I'm thriving.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, Amen to that I saw in the
Speaker 1: preview Bart Yeah, yeah, singing with you and working with you,
Speaker 1: I love that man. I love that man.
Speaker 2: Isn't you a great such as we are?
Speaker 1: He's such a sweetheart. And I don't even know how
Speaker 1: many years God has blessed me with knowing him and
Speaker 1: the guys twenty years. Well maybe his baby had just
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with type one diabetes, like just when you met.
Speaker 1: Tell me how God brought you guys together and what
Speaker 1: that looks.
Speaker 3: So, my wonderful producer and along with my manager Stephanitie
Speaker 3: Gold came together with it. If you know, we decided
Speaker 3: we needed to do we wanted to do some duets
Speaker 3: on the album, and so they got together and decided
Speaker 3: who they would contact to who would be best with me,
Speaker 3: who would work best with me, and then contact them
Speaker 3: and see if they agreed and if they were willing
Speaker 3: to do it. And I was so very very pleased
Speaker 3: when he and all of them that joined me on
Speaker 3: the album said yes and and came and became a
Speaker 3: very intricate part of the project and just made it wonderful.
Speaker 1: They are wonderful. They were boys. They were boys when
Speaker 1: I met them. You know, some of them were just starting,
Speaker 1: you know, their careers, their marriages that they had been
Speaker 1: together for a long time, but really kids. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: to see how they have mercy Me has grown and
Speaker 1: blessed so many people around the world has been fun
Speaker 1: to watch. Like I kind of feel like a mama
Speaker 1: hen you know, like I met Josh Grobin when he
Speaker 1: was a kid, he was a teenager. I met Michael
Speaker 1: Boublat when he was a teenager. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I kind of I bask in their glory when
Speaker 1: they do well and when uh when he when when
Speaker 1: mercy Me and Bart hooked up with you what a combination,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I know, he's like I said, He's just wonderful, so great,
Speaker 3: so easy to work with, so creative, so talented, and
Speaker 3: and and so many different areas, and it.
Speaker 2: Was it was, It was just great.
Speaker 3: It was just a pleasure to work with him, and
Speaker 3: and and the other guys that we had on and
Speaker 3: Yolanda Adams the same.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: Yolanda, what a voice. I know why God didn't give
Speaker 1: me a singing voice. I want it. I coveted. Everybody
Speaker 1: in my family is musical. You said you lost all
Speaker 1: your siblings. Were they musical? Yes, so you guys could
Speaker 1: sing together, harmonize together.
Speaker 2: I couldn't sing with them because I was a girl.
Speaker 2: I have five brothers.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you sing with them.
Speaker 2: Oh I was a girl. Well would they let me
Speaker 2: sing with them?
Speaker 1: Seriously? Even after your success?
Speaker 2: Well, after my success, I wouldn't let them sing with me.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. Well everyone in my family my father
Speaker 1: was in a band, he was in a country western band.
Speaker 1: My mother could sing, my sister can sing, My little
Speaker 1: brother can play instruments and sing. I had three biological children,
Speaker 1: all of them inherited the musical gene and passion for music.
Speaker 1: I have a three note range, happy birthday is in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. So I covet your gift. I did. And
Speaker 1: one time I was like, God, why why did you
Speaker 1: give this gift to everybody in my family but me?
Speaker 1: And you know what he said, He knows my ego.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a huge ego, Gloria, and I
Speaker 1: have no talent. Can you imagine if I had your
Speaker 1: kind of talent, your kind of gift, your kind of voice,
Speaker 1: and this kind of that.
Speaker 3: He's got other purposes for you. But let me make
Speaker 3: you feel better about your voice. Okay, I fully believe
Speaker 3: this to be true. Do you know how babies love
Speaker 3: the sound of their mother's voices, no matter how badly.
Speaker 2: The mother sings, Yes, they do. Well.
Speaker 3: I think that's because God loves our voices when we
Speaker 3: sing pray to him, no matter how bad we sound.
Speaker 1: That's why he said, make a joyful noise.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yes, noise, noise noise.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I do. I make a very joyful noise.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: But it took me a long time to come to
Speaker 1: peace with the fact that my sister can sing, my
Speaker 1: brothers could sing.
Speaker 2: Well, you can too, and you've got the best audience. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was younger. I used to lie on the
Speaker 1: air and say I gave Celine Dion voice lessons, and
Speaker 1: some people believe me. I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You didn't really believe. That's just a joke, that's a lie.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you realized you had this gift,
Speaker 1: this voice? Because you're you're not that big physically, and
Speaker 1: yet your voice fills an entire auditorium.
Speaker 2: Thirteen, that's when you knew thirteen years old.
Speaker 3: I remember very distinctly because I was standing in the
Speaker 3: hallway of my apartment build singing, waiting for a friend
Speaker 3: for mine to come down and come out and play.
Speaker 3: And I was singing why do Foods Fall in Love?
Speaker 3: Frankie Lyman, who was also thirteen years old, And when
Speaker 3: a neighbor came down and said that she heard me
Speaker 3: and thought that I was a radio that convinced me
Speaker 3: if he could do what I could do it we
Speaker 3: were the same age. And then that's when I decided
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a singer.
Speaker 1: Heymen, where did you live?
Speaker 2: Where did you grow up in Newark, New Jersey?
Speaker 1: Who there's a lot of talent people coming out of
Speaker 1: New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Talent coming out of Newark and surrounding area.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got smiled on that area when it
Speaker 1: comes to the talent.
Speaker 2: Oh yes.
Speaker 1: Now in the movie, you get pretty real, very real,
Speaker 1: very transparent and talk about some really bad choices that
Speaker 1: you made as a young woman. Can you just share
Speaker 1: something that was so hard for you to be honest
Speaker 1: about but God brought you through it and gave you
Speaker 1: the ability to own it and talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The one thing that was very, very difficult to to
Speaker 3: own but also I felt compelled to talk about it
Speaker 3: because of the outcome was the party that my ex
Speaker 3: husband and I threw out in California when I was
Speaker 3: riding high on the success If I Will survive and
Speaker 3: long story short, you'll see it in the film how
Speaker 3: I lost my moral compass for a minute and God
Speaker 3: snatched me out of it. Now, I lost it because
Speaker 3: I gave my heart to the Lord. I remember asking
Speaker 3: my mother that could I go and be baptized when
Speaker 3: I was sixteen?
Speaker 1: And then success came along.
Speaker 2: Influences.
Speaker 1: How long did you let those influences steal your life?
Speaker 2: Good? Ten years?
Speaker 1: And what brought you back?
Speaker 2: God himself? No, he snatched me in my collar.
Speaker 1: And what did he say, that's enough.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: That was it, And then you decided, after being the
Speaker 1: Queen of Disco, that was your title. That's how we
Speaker 1: introduced you on the air, the Queen of Disco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to do a gospel album. What did people say when
Speaker 1: you're like, I want to I want to sing praises
Speaker 1: to the Lord? You're like, yeah, okay, right, did they
Speaker 1: remember the disco dresses you used to wear on stage?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm you had you have gambs legs. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you did. You found people who believed in you and
Speaker 1: helped you put the album together.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.
Speaker 1: And and what of you awards? Pardon and you want
Speaker 1: a few little awards?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, won a couple of awards.
Speaker 1: And you can go ahead.
Speaker 2: When you do his will, he will bless.
Speaker 3: You, you know, just as simple as that.
Speaker 2: He would absolutely bless you. Any blesses us. Sometimes when
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 3: Do is will. You know, we can not good to
Speaker 3: our children when they're like bad sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: All the time, Yeah, because they're so dang cute and
Speaker 1: we love them so hard even when they're bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: this documentary really is a labor of love, and it
Speaker 1: really was like birthing a child, birthing a project, only
Speaker 1: it was a very long pregnancy from the time you
Speaker 1: decided to do it, from that till the time that
Speaker 1: it it was a wrap. Tell me what that looked
Speaker 1: like and who was there for you doing it?
Speaker 3: Well, well, my manager's definitely go with one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: There for me helping her was Tom store Out, our
Speaker 3: social media person who does a hundred other things. Besides that,
Speaker 3: there was of course Betsy the producer and she had
Speaker 3: some issues that that that personal things that stall the
Speaker 3: for for a minute. But you know, it was just
Speaker 3: that she was willing to travel with me overseas and
Speaker 3: and and and got some live footage for the documentary.
Speaker 3: And yes, she put blood, sweat and tears into it
Speaker 3: and uh and has done an awesome job in my
Speaker 3: opinion and an opinion of many other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been. It's been great working with her.
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Speaker 3: and see it together and and just make a make
Speaker 3: a wonderful you know, a day of camaraderie and and
Speaker 3: friendship and love, you know, between girls.
Speaker 1: So what is is something you want to impart upon
Speaker 1: our listeners from your heart? Like if you could just
Speaker 1: give them lay one truth down, if you could give
Speaker 1: person somebody one truth that would stick, what would that be?
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, Two, you can have three my podcasting have as
Speaker 1: many as you want.
Speaker 3: One one of the one of the big things is
Speaker 3: that what I learned through this and God said it
Speaker 3: to me and then he would commit then he then
Speaker 3: he then he went on to prove it to me
Speaker 3: that no one can keep He said to me, no
Speaker 3: one can keep you from getting what I have for
Speaker 3: you except you.
Speaker 1: Say that again, because for the people in the back.
Speaker 3: Keep you from getting what I have for you except you.
Speaker 3: And having learned that he is the only one who
Speaker 3: knows and wants only what's best for you and the
Speaker 3: only one who can bring it all to pass, that
Speaker 3: was a wonderful thing for him to put it in
Speaker 3: my heart. And he had shown it through this, through this,
Speaker 3: not only through the making of the of the of
Speaker 3: the documentary, but the things that went into the documentary,
Speaker 3: that activities, and the things that happened to me through that,
Speaker 3: and how he's carried me through I mean through this,
Speaker 3: through the making of this video. I lost to siblings
Speaker 3: and he's carried me through that. But uh, through my
Speaker 3: life as of now, I've lost all of my siblings
Speaker 3: and He's carried me through it all. And and it's
Speaker 3: just I just want to impart to people how faithful
Speaker 3: he is, and I want to impart to them. My
Speaker 3: favorite scripture, which I believe, is this. This is the
Speaker 3: scripture you have to live by. Trust in the law.
Speaker 3: This is Proverbs three, verses five and six. Trust in
Speaker 3: the Law with all your heart, in all your ways,
Speaker 3: acknowledge him, and he will direct your path. I have
Speaker 3: lived it, and I continue to live it and INTENDU
Speaker 3: to live it until I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Gloria, thank you for spending this time with us. So
Speaker 1: Gallantine's Day it's going to be a three day celebration
Speaker 1: because we got Gallentine's Day, then we got Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: then we got Delilah and Paul's birthday. Because my husband
Speaker 1: and I have the same birthday the next day, so
Speaker 1: we got a three day, three day celebration going on.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as we find out what platform
Speaker 1: it'll be released on, I'll be sure and let our
Speaker 1: listeners know so they can.
Speaker 2: Be Thank you so much, appreciate.
Speaker 1: That, Gloria Gaynor. Thank you for surviving, Thank you for thriving,
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us today.
Speaker 2: Thank you my pleasure, my great pleasure, pleasure.
Speaker 1: Gloria Gaynor, music icon and disco legend, inspired millions for
Speaker 1: decades with her words I will survive. But she only
Speaker 1: truly understood the profound meaning of these lyrics after she
Speaker 1: faced a devastating divorce, financial ruin, and spiraling health concerns.
Speaker 1: Gloria sot to not only survive, but to thrive with
Speaker 1: unwavering faith and the spark of new dreams. The film
Speaker 1: follows Gloria as she embarks on an unexpectedly difficult eight
Speaker 1: year journey to write and record a gospel album. It's
Speaker 1: the tale of the remarkable challenges that fueled her music
Speaker 1: and path to stardom, and her present day message, empowering
Speaker 1: audiences to believe it is never too late to transform
Speaker 1: your dreams into reality. Gloria Gainer I Will Survive celebrates reinvention,
Speaker 1: the power of faith, and a magnificent second act. It's
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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day for that matter, how about a bottle of
Speaker 1: Gloria's new perfumes Survive to send the message of unwavering
Speaker 1: belief and support to someone special. You can find it
Speaker 1: at talkshop dot live, in Her Survive or Gloria gainor
Speaker 1: in your search bar. Keep up to date with Gloria,
Speaker 1: her music, her movie and all that's going on on
Speaker 1: her many social platforms at Gloria gainor on Facebook, Instagram, threads,
Speaker 1: and YouTube. I hope life has been kind to you.
Speaker 1: I hope you haven't faced a great deal of adversity,
Speaker 1: but I know you've had challenges. We all have, and
Speaker 1: I hope that if you've been through it or are
Speaker 1: currently in the midst of it, you're in it. You
Speaker 1: know that there's a path forward. It might feel like
Speaker 1: that path is straight up the side of a sheer cliff,
Speaker 1: but with a willing heart and the right people cheering
Speaker 1: you on and a faith in the Almighty, you can
Speaker 1: do it, and you're sure to inspire others along the way.
Speaker 1: I am so glad Gloria found the time to be
Speaker 1: with us today. I'm so glad she slowed down and
Speaker 1: loved us. She's inspiring like that, isn't she