1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: We want to get people back to work. We've got 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: to be paiding the path week. It is up the 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Congress who kind of set the rules of the roads. 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: But you have to wonder what Facebook final objective? Isn't 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: that Bloomberg sound On Politics, policy and perspective from DC's 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: tough name. So they just simply reopen the economy and 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: returned everyone back to work, we would be I think 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: in a better situation. Today Washington may squander it's best 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: chance to make long overdue investments in our infrastructure. Sloomberg 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The gentleman 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: from West Virginia speaks, But did anything change? Welcome back 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: to the bubble and the fastest hour in politics, I 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: will say Senator Joe Manchin knows how to fill the space. 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: On a ghost town Monday in Washington, the President traveling 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: in Europe. He delivers remarks as I read on the 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: terminal that slam am the breaks on the Biden plan. 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk about the politics that matter here from Washington 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: to Glasgow with Bill Hogland, Senior Vice President at the 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Bipartisan Policy Institute. It's election Eve. We'll bring you the 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: latest on the governor's race in Virginia, specifically a contest 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: with national implications analysis on the way from Eric Wilson 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: of Startup Caucus, former digital director for Ed Gillespie's run 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: for governor in Virginia. The panel today Amy Tarkanian, Republican strategist, 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: former chair of the Nevada GOP, joining us along with 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: former Senator Mike Begets, Democrat from Alaska, who's with us 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: for the hour. And this is the very moment Democratic 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: leaders in the House, I can tell you are holding 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: an important meeting. Speaker Pelosi on down huddling behind closed 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: doors after Senator Joe Mansion called a news conference on 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the other side of the Capitol to call for passage 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: of the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill once and for all, as 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Democrats try to figure out next steps on the reconciliation plan. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: As I've said before, holding that bill hass is not 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: going to work to get my support of what you want. 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: It's what we should all agree on and work through 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: the process. I'm open to supporting a final bill that 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: helps move our country forward, but I am equally open 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: to voting against the bill that hurts our country. So 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: not exactly new, but could fly in the face of 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi's plans to potentially hold a vote on both 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: as soon as tomorrow. Here's the problem, I for one, 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: won't support him multi trillion dollar bill without greater clarity 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: about why Congress chooses to ignore the serious effects of 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: inflation and debt that have on our economy and existing 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: government programs. Accused Democrats of playing a shell game with 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: the price tag. He says that could be twice the 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: advertised number. One point seven five trillion is what we're 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: hearing right now, and Matchin is calling it out for 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: a complete analysis. The words he used of the plan 51 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: to know its true cost, how long will that take? 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: Don't ask Meantime, in Glasgow, President Biden talking up the 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: climate initiatives inside the reconciliation bill. My Build Back Better 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: framework will make historic investments of clean energy the most 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: significant investment to deal with the climate crisis that any 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: advanced nation has made ever. We're gonna cut US greenhouse 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: gas emissions by well over a giga ton b while 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: making it more affordable for consumers to save on their 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: own energy bills with tax credits for things like installing 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: solar panels weather rising their homes. So let's get a 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: thirty thou foot view on all this from a man 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: who has been there. Bill Hogland is senior vice president 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: at the Bipartisan Policy Institute. Spent twenty five years working 64 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: in the Senate, including the time as director of Budget 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: and Appropriations for Republican Senate Leader Bill Frist. So, Bill, 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: thanks for being here. You tweeted over the weekend that 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: even if the House passes the reconciliation plan this week, 68 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: the BBB plan, they'll be voting on it again you see, 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: around Thanksgiving, because the Senate will send it back with changes. 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Are you still of that, minor? Did Senator Mansion just 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: to lay this even further, Well, I may have moved, 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: but from Thanksgiving to Christmas now, I do believe there 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: will be a vote on this at some point. I 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: think that, yes, Mr Mansion, as you just said, Joe 75 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: fills the space very nicely, and he did. Uh. And 76 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: he has a strong position in terms of wanting to 77 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: know what this cost has It's been costed out by 78 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Tax Committee, what's 79 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: in it? It wants to see the legislative language. So 80 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: he may have put a little hurdle in this. But 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: last word I had is what as you said, there's 82 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: a caucus going on right now, so we'll see. But 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: Progressive Japaula, the progressive congresswoman who's been leading the Progressives, says, 84 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: we intend to vote vote on this the next couple 85 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: of days. I still think it's going to be tough 86 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: this week, but they still have to put the legislation together. 87 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Be nice to know what score keeping is, but they 88 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: probably won't be able to get that done by the 89 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: end of the week. So this is a uh, this 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: is coming down to the wire here. Remember that the 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Senate is out next week for Veteran's Day back one week, 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: and then they're out for Thanksgiving. So um, maybe I 93 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: should change my tweet. I think more like Christmas than Thanksgiving, 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: all right, So maybe reply to your own tweet and 95 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: you can tag me in there. Tell them I I 96 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: pushed you to the edge. I just wonder though, Bill, 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: as I as I listened to Joe Manson today, I 98 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: went back listen to him again technically said nothing new. 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the call for a complete analysis 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: was maybe a new wrinkle. But he's said similar things before, 101 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: his concerns about inflation, his concerns about the Biff being 102 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: held hostage. Did anything actually change today? Not? Not really. 103 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: He has said that, and more importantly, not only he 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: has said that, but others have said that in the 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Senate on the Republicans, which as you know, makes a 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: big deal here whether they have any votes from Republicans 107 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: or not for this. But um, the procedure is such 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: that even if the Senate, or even if the House 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: passes it this week, as I say, uh, that's that's 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: a long shot right now. But if they do, uh, 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: it takes twenty hours of debate on the floor of 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: the United States Senate. It's something called vote rama that follows. 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Uh this uh won't get into the weeds. Here's something 114 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: called the Bird rule that they take out provisions. It 115 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: is clear to me that regardless of whenever this passes 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: the House and comes to the Senate, and I assume 117 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: it will pass the Senate, it will come back to 118 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: the House. They will have to vote on this again. 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: They'll have to If you change up one point of punctuation, 120 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: it comes back right. That's correct, that's correct. And they're 121 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: going to it's gonna it's inevitable. I'm convinced they will change. 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Something will change. They may be minor, but whatever it is, 123 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: it will come back to the House again. What do 124 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: you think about this caucus meeting that's happening right now? 125 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: Are tempers flaring? Are they just going back to the 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: timeline the blueprint here. Somebody's gonna have to say something 127 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: tomorrow about when they're voting or why they're not voting tomorrow. Well, 128 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I was hoping that maybe somehow trust would be growing 129 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: between the House and Senate Democratic caucus. I worked, as 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: you said, Joe, I worked for a Republicans, So I'm 131 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: not exactly the best person to speak to what's going 132 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: on in the Democratic caucuses. But there was an effort 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: here made by the President before he left to rebuild 134 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: some trust between the Democrats on the Hill boath on 135 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: the House and Senate. I'm a little word that Mr. 136 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: Manchin's statement this afternoon has probably stirred up that issue 137 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: a little more and the trust may not be there, 138 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I still think 139 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: as that as the Progressive Japaula has said that they 140 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: will try their best to vote on these bills later 141 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: this week. Yes, that's the Permilla Gia Paul, the chair 142 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: of the Progressive Caucus in the House, making a little 143 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: bit of news. Although we've heard all of these things 144 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: before war. It's funny you use the word trust. That's 145 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: what we're talking about on Capitol Hill. That's what we're 146 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: talking about on the other side of the ocean here 147 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: as well. I want to ask you about the president's 148 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: trip to Europe. All the while, this would have been 149 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: our our lead, probably if Joe Manchion hadn't come out 150 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: today with our headline on the Bloomberg Biden brings trust 151 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: us pitch to skeptics at U N Summit. How can 152 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: you how can you trump the benefits of reconciliation, the better, 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: the build back, better plan when you're overseas at a 154 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: at a at a COP twenty six in this case, 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: or the Jets twenty when it's still teetering here in Washington, 156 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: it's difficult. Uh. The President is good at making these statements, 157 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: and he's good at uh rejecting trust, I think, and 158 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I think he's doing the best he can under some 159 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: very difficult circumstances to bring that to a hand that 160 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: we are he is to be trusted that something will 161 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: happen again. You always it's always darkest before the sun rises, 162 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: as I understand, and I think it is. Uh. We're 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: at a very difficult point here for the for the 164 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: President and the Democratic Caucus, and I think the election 165 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: in Virginia tomorrow may also bear upon some votes here 166 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: later this week. So all I can say is trust 167 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: is the realm up there. If you if you don't 168 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: have that, you don't get anything done. This goes back 169 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: years of my experience up there. You just have to 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: trust the other person what they say. And I think 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: it Manin has made it very clear what he wants 172 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: and there should not be any any other expectation from 173 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: any other member that he is very serious about. What 174 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: he's trying to do here is to bring this into 175 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: a way that every it's transparent. People understand what it costs, 176 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: what it would have, if it has an impact on inflation, 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: how it will benefit and how it may not benefit 178 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: certain people. He really is trying, I think, in an 179 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: odd way to say this, he's trying to help the 180 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Democratic Party retain and maintain control of the of the 181 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Congress in two Well, you did mention on you that 182 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: you're a Republican. You might not know what's happening in 183 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: that caucus meeting, but you're a Republican. You spent a 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: lot of time in the Senate, and that that part 185 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: of the story never changes. You can't get anything done 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: without Trust's exactly exactly. Bill Hogland, Senior Vice President of 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Bipartisan Policy Institute. Bill, I thank you for coming in 188 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: on this Monday, daring to wade into these waters as 189 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: everyone is trying to figure out the next move here 190 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: and whether it's on Capitol Hill, here inside the bubble, 191 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: or on the other side of the ocean where President 192 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Biden is trying to get something done. Indeed, it all 193 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: comes down to that, right, who do you trust? Trust 194 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: in me? You know you do? What do I see 195 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: your show games? Have a faith? AH have in you? 196 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't say, well, I trust to no problem. I 197 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: do trust the president. I don't think this is about trust, 198 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: as I've said before, holding that Bill Hawsey is not 199 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: going to work to get my support of what you want. 200 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: Why don't you see what happens? Come to me, this 201 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: is about whether you're going to be a leader thanks 202 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: go wrong. I trust the members of a Republican senators 203 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: who have made the commitments relative to how we should 204 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: proceed in what would be included in the package. Do 205 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: you think he lied to you? I don't think. I know. 206 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: We have listened to the wisdom of in an old 207 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: Russian maxim trust, and my pronunciation may give you difficulty. 208 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: The maxim is dovia no provii trust but verify. I've 209 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: heard that a couple of times. Coming up on sound on, 210 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: we assemble the panel, Republican strategist Amy Tarkanian, former Democratic 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Senator Mark Baggage of Alaska. This is Bloomberg. You're listening 212 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg 213 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: Radio headline on the Terminal Mansion. Won't support reconciliation without 214 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: knowing more. But as we just discussed with Bill Hoaglan, 215 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: that's technically not new and we get into it with 216 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: the panel today. We're joined by Republican strategist Amy Tarkanian, 217 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: former chair of the Nevada State g o P, along 218 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: with former Democratic Senator Mark Bagatt of Alaska, and great 219 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: to have both of you with us. Senator, I'm going 220 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: to start with you because you've been through this before. 221 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Or at least you've been close to debates like these. 222 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if you were moved by Joe Mansion's comments today. 223 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: What made him come out to reiterate all of that 224 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: on this Monday in Washington. Well, you know it might. 225 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Over the weekend. There was a lot of action in 226 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: the House side trying to get something ready for Monday Tuesday. 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Then it kind of fell apart, and then here you 228 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: are on Monday with Joe Manchin making his fame. And 229 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: I think part of that is, you know, he's honestly 230 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: concerned about the level of spending and what will work 231 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: in the economy. But at the end of the day, 232 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: I I believe he'll end up voting for an infrastructure 233 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: and a reconciliation bill. He wants the infrastructure bill, but 234 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of a who trust who first? And that's 235 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: what's going on right now and that's going to continue 236 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: for a while. Who do you trust? Amy? And I 237 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: ask you that with the smirk. Here I'll add a 238 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: headline Amy to this. We just saw this cross the terminal. 239 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Gottheimer that would be the congressman from New Jersey says 240 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: salt will be included in economic package. Does that mean 241 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: that that framework last week wasn't really a framework, and 242 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: we need a new framework. Well, it seems that this 243 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: is a kind of going on much longer than I 244 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: think everyone pretty much anticipated. Um. So yeah, I mean, 245 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: might as well just pour the salt into the wound 246 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: directly at this point, especially for the Democrats. Now, you know, 247 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: I I think it's I agree with the senator. Actually, 248 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, this is nothing new for Senator mansion. Um. 249 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: He's known for wanting to come out looking like the 250 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: bigger person. He wants to make it look like he's 251 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: in control and it's his idea and he's the savior 252 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: of whatever bill maybe uh being discussed at the moment um. 253 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: He does like the grands dam, he does like the cameras. However, 254 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: I do agree with him and waiting for the tech um, 255 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't see a problem with that. The fact that 256 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: they had the initial bill, you know, at three point 257 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: five trillion UM, and then they were able to cut 258 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: it down roughly half that size, I think was was 259 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: a good discussion and an important one to have. So 260 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: not everything has been cut from from their bill of 261 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: basically everything but the kitchen saint that they threw. They 262 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: still do you know, they still do get of their 263 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: wants as far as maybe some of the investments for 264 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: climate change, expanding a monthly child tax credit. So you know, 265 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: I think that there we're all going to be okay 266 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: if we don't have free community college, because on my side, 267 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: we know nothing is free. Senator, talk to me about 268 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: this idea of the framework. Do we need a new 269 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: word here? How often was it that you sat and 270 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: waited for the actual text to land on your desk? 271 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: And I know everyone wants to think that everyone reads everything, 272 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: but you know, you get something that's a couple of 273 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: thousand pages long, there's staff reading portions of it for you. 274 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes maybe it's not all fully baked until that day 275 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: you're voting. Maybe you're always the type who needed a 276 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: CBO score and seventy two hours to read that thing. 277 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Talk to us about this, because this this framework business 278 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: is getting old. Yeah, I think you know, it's like 279 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: a house. You always have a frame, but then you 280 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: add on those additional rooms because your spouse says, hey, 281 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I want this done, right, you're blaming the spouse for 282 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: all of this net Well, that's right, and it could 283 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: be there, you know, Okay, you know I want the 284 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: m K. You know, I want my special room. But 285 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: here's what's happening. Um. I think a couple of things. 286 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: One I totally agreed. I just made surprise as I 287 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: would want to see the bill. It's se pages right now, 288 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, you want to understand the impact of this bill. 289 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: And I think there is a an effort in Congress, 290 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: especially the last ten years or so, that they just 291 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna run these things through without people spending the time 292 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: to examine them. If you the bipartisan bill that passed 293 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the Senate, they need to do a what they call 294 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: a managers markup because there's so many mistakes in it 295 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: that they got to clean up in order for it 296 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: to be implemented. So I think the framework and I 297 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: think it's better to say it's a goal because you know, 298 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: the framework sounds like it's solid and the reality is 299 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: it's not. For example of salt gets, including that question 300 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: is is it for ten years? Is it permanent? Is 301 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: it for one year? Because it's a big ticket item 302 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: costs a lot of money. CBO. I always have a 303 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: heartburn over CBO. They're like a group of people. I 304 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: love them, I know him, but they sit in their 305 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: room and they come up with numbers that sometimes don't 306 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense, and then Congress can ignore it, 307 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: which is even crazier. It is what gives you heartburn, 308 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: dynamic or the lack of dynamic scoring. If you're asking me, 309 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: I'd actually like dynamic score. And I know the Republicans 310 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: they don't. Okay, Amy, what talk to me about this 311 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: as a as a vehicle, uh for messaging in Europe. 312 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: President Biden spent the weekend the G twenty in Rome. 313 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: He's onto COP twenty six now, and we're told that 314 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: his success overseas rides on the outcome here. But he's 315 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: talking over there essentially like it's already done. And I 316 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: don't see anybody asking questions that Cop six is aside 317 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: from his own news here on on Sunday. I mean, 318 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: or is the foreign press asking about reconciliation verse versus 319 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: the infrastructure and what the timeline is. I guess I'm 320 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: having a hard time understanding the direct connection. No, I 321 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: think that you are understanding it, just the way that 322 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: the rest of the world is actually understanding and seeing, um, 323 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: what's what's being laid before us? UM. As far as 324 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: the hard questions coming at the President. I have not 325 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: heard of the hard questions myself either, and it seems 326 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: to me more that this is a gathering or a 327 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: get together of old towels just ready to exchange um 328 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: pleasantries and notes and pat each other on the back, 329 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: and then you know, whisk in on their private jets 330 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: and have all. They're not a fan idline on the 331 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: side street. Terry mccauliffe and Glenn Younkins spent the weekend, 332 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: busy weekend on the trail, and they're back at it 333 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: again today, barn storming the state of Virginia or should 334 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: I say the Commonwealth on the eve of the election. 335 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: Now we're joined for analysis by political technologist Eric Wilson 336 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: startup caking dot com. He's former digital director for Ed 337 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: Gillespie's run for governor in Virginia, and he joins us now, Eric, 338 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to Bloomberg Radio. Hey, Joe, thinks so much for 339 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: having me. Well, here we are in the final throes 340 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: of this campaign, and I'm sure you've got a lot 341 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: of memories that are flowing back You've directed to statewide 342 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: campaigns in Virginia, and so I'd like to start big 343 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: picture here. The candidates are trying to appeal this very 344 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: different demographics as you travel the state, the wealthy DC 345 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: suburbs to some of the poorest towns in the country 346 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: in Virginia, which will decide the outcome here. Well, the 347 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: volume of voter turnout is obviously in the population rich 348 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: suburbs of Northern Virginia and the suburbs around Richmond and 349 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: Virginia Beach. But keep in mind that there are just 350 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: as many voters in the ninth, fifth, and sixth congressional 351 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: districts as there are in those more suburban congressional district 352 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: So turnout uh is really the main factor in determining 353 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: who wins, And as cliche is to say that, but 354 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: the the challenge will be to see who wins the suburbs. Certainly, 355 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: in a race this close, turnout is everything, right, and 356 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: both candidates are holding rallies with their closing arguments Eric 357 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: and Roanoke, Virginia Beach, Richmond and Northern Virginia. What does 358 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: that tell you about the state of the race, the 359 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: areas that they're looking in. Well, it's you're going for 360 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: the most bank for your buck right now. So in 361 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: the final stretch of the campaign, you want to hit 362 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: all of the media market. I know both campaigns have 363 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: been traveling to smaller communities throughout the Commonwealth that have 364 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: been working really hard. Glenn Younken wrapped up I think 365 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: eight days of being on a bus. And so they're 366 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: closing out in the major areas where you have media markets. Uh, 367 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: and you really need to crank your turnout. I don't 368 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: know if we can draw any conclusions from the early 369 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: voting numbers, but I'll ask you about them, Eric. The 370 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: Virginia Public Access Project shows as of Saturday, more than 371 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: one point one million people voted early, either by mail 372 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: or absentee ballot. There are five point nine million registered 373 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: voters in the state. So for an off year, does 374 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: that number tell you anything that we can draw conclusions from. 375 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: Because Virginia doesn't have party registration, we can't tell who 376 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: those people are that are that are voting. Certainly that 377 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: the campaigns have a good idea based on the their 378 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: own I D work and and their own turnout operations. 379 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: But the takeaway has to be if if you haven't 380 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: voted yet, Tuesday is your day. You've got to get 381 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: out and vote. You can't read too much into these 382 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: early voting numbers, but represents a significant shift post COVID 383 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: to people voting by mail or or voting when pulling. 384 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Places are less crowded, and we should note that people 385 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: can drop a ballot, can actually mail in a ballot 386 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: as late as November two. It's an election, Eric Wilson 387 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: with national implications, at least that's what we keep hearing 388 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: since it's the first big one post Trump. And boy, 389 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: we've seen some big name Democrats come into the state 390 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: to support Terry mccauliffe from Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, 391 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams has been around the state. Well, the sort 392 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: of political celebrities, if I can call them, that help 393 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: or hurt mccauliffe in Virginia, Well, I think Virginians are 394 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: are are used to it. Uh. The reason Virginia draws 395 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: so many big, bold letter names from both parties is 396 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: because it is the only show in town. Uh this year. 397 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: We have elections every year in Virginia. Our motto is 398 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Virginia's for lovers, but it's also for lovers of election, 399 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: and so a lot of people who are trying to 400 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: try out for four and beyond want to come to 401 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: Virginia and show their chops also conveniently located across the 402 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Potomac River from our nation's capital, Washington, d C. So 403 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: it's easier to get to than some other states. But 404 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: it's the reason the campaigns happened to these big names 405 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: is because it makes sure that voters are aware that 406 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: there is an election this year. Virginia is unique. And 407 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: the other reason that to get so much national attention 408 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: is because you have all these political reporters who are 409 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: starved after a grueling presidential campaign and this is their 410 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: first race to write about. Well, so what issues are 411 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: going to decide this race? Eric, We're certainly hearing a 412 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: lot about education. Well, so across the country, you know, 413 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: we're seeing concerns around mask and vaccine mandate, how we 414 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: fund our police, deal with criminal justice, and then the 415 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: hot button issue which is critical race theory and school 416 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: mask mandate. It's all the education issues that have come 417 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: to the forefront nationally, but the hotbeds have been uh 418 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: here in Northern Virginia and other communities around the Commonwealth 419 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: where they have taken on, you know, specific instances in 420 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: different communities and and parents are are really engaged. You 421 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: see all around the Commonwealth, parents for young ensigns. He 422 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: has really taken on the mantle of being a champion 423 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: for parents and their advocacy for their their children's education. 424 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: And Terry mcculloff gave him a really big gift in 425 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: the second debate when he mentioned that he didn't think 426 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: that parents should be in charge of their children's education. 427 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: So is it the cultural stuff? Is that the culture 428 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: wars that will decide this race? Well, so the Democrats 429 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: definitely want to make it about the cultural war issues, 430 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: but really what's going on these these specific policy approaches 431 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: in these local communities that the governor will have direct 432 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: input on. And so that's why you're seeing so much 433 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: enthusiasm for Glenn Yuncan because what um Terry mcculloff has 434 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: tried to do is make this a national reverend on 435 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump UM and just sort of try and leveraged 436 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: his deep unpopularity in Northern Virginia suburbs to crank up 437 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: his turn out. He really hasn't addressed many of these 438 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: issues or policies that that Glenoncan is trying to talk about. 439 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: So while it may seem like these are culture war issues, 440 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: they actually have real implications for for the residents of 441 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth of Virginia. Eric Wilson, political technologist and managing 442 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: partner at start Up Caucus. Many thanks for your insights. Eric. 443 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: Love to talk to you when we find out who won. Thanks, Joe, 444 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Interesting view there. And by the way, we 445 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: will note that you're you'll hear a lot of coverage 446 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: on election day tomorrow here on Bloomberg Radio. If you 447 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: are in Virginia, if you're listening on our Washington d 448 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: C station six AM, Paul's open at six, close at 449 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: seven in Virginia. By the way, Glenn Yuncan says he 450 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: will not attend a so called tell a rally that 451 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is holding tonight. Instead, he'll be in loudon 452 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: County Ground zero for the school's issue to hold a 453 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: Parents Matter rally. Mccalloff will be denouncing the former president's 454 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: tell a rally later on. You're listening to Bloomberg, you 455 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Here's a headline. 456 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: Savodah says, Virginia Lean's g O P not good for 457 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Terry mccaulloff. What happened as I read candidates in Virginia 458 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: and New Jersey, the only two states holding gubernatorial races 459 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: this year, battled for last minute voters, with the election 460 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: at day away, Democrats fighting to hang on a control 461 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: in both states, the first major ones major elections since 462 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden became president. And we reassemble the panel here 463 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: for our remaining moments on sound On, joined by Amy Tarkanian, 464 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, former Nevada State g o P chairwoman, as 465 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: well as the former Alaska Senator Mark Begets, strategic consulting advisor, 466 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: Now Brownstein, Hyatt Farber, Shrek. Thanks again both of you 467 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: for being here. Amy, what's your thought on Virginia? Can 468 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: Republicans pull this out? And if so, do they have 469 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump to think or not? But well, I don't. 470 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to say yes then no to that, 471 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: because I think that the majority of people are now 472 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: realizing that maybe if they weren't comfortable with the president's personality, 473 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: maybe they're now regretting not having some of his policies 474 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: since the Biden administration is failing so miserably in so 475 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: many areas. Um, do I think that the GOP is 476 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: going to come out on top? I certainly hope so, 477 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: But I I am definitely not, you know, counting all 478 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: my eggs before they hatch. This is a state I'm 479 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: discussing Virginia at the moment um. That is a Democratic trifecta. 480 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: And I also live in a state currently in Nevada 481 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: that's also a Democratic trifecta. So I know it's an 482 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: uphill battle, and technically I think it's um. Is it hope? Well? Yes? 483 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: Is it a done deal? No? The Republicans should not 484 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: get complacent, Senator Baga, You'll ask you the flip side 485 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: of that, maybe a different way of getting to this has. 486 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: Has Terry mccaulliff made too much of the Trump effects 487 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: in this race to the point of it being a 488 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: liability for him? No, I don't think so. I think 489 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: he's done both. I think he's talked about Trump and 490 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: if I were the Republicans, I wouldn't want Trump coming 491 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: into Virginia. Maybe Alabama or Mississippi, but not Virginia. And 492 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: so I think what's happening now is, you know, there's 493 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: people are the last five. They're starting to make decisions. 494 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: They're starting to look at now outside of personalities, what 495 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: issues they care about, education, crime, budget, those kinds of issues, 496 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: But no, I think you know, they've both have run 497 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: tough campaigns, they've both been hard on each other. I 498 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: do agree that it's you know, it's a blue state 499 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: to a certain degree. But I would put this caution 500 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: your note to Democrats that you know, when it's one 501 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: point margin right now, you want to have a two 502 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: three point margin. Why because Republicans are notorious for saying 503 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't like my candidate, but then at him in 504 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: the day they vote. Form Democrats might say I don't 505 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: like my candidate, and a portion of them do not 506 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: vote for their candidate. So the Democrats need a little 507 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: bit more margin, I think to give him a much 508 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: more better, you know, more securing. This are going to be, 509 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all about turnout, and 510 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: that is the name of the game that's going on, 511 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: as you know, with early vote, but also today. That's right, 512 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about fashion in this race. 513 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: This is serious. I'm actually being serious. Glenn young Can. 514 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: Much has been made of the fact that Glenn you 515 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Can wears the fleece vest every day, doesn't matter what 516 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: time of day or the weather. Terry mccaulloff goes with 517 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: the button down shirt sleeves rolled up. Is their political 518 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: messaging going on here? Amy with the way these men 519 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: are consistently dressing every day, is the fleece vest projects 520 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: some something that I should be aware of. It sounds 521 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: to me like they're both trying to come across as 522 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: as your average every a blue collar individual. Yes, that's 523 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: what That's what I believe. That's why you don't see 524 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: either one of them in in a three piece suits. 525 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: You don't see either one of them rolling up in 526 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: expensive fancy cars. Yes, there is a reason, Senator, did 527 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: you have to wear a barn jacket to get elected 528 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: in Alaska? You know, Alaska? You know what what you're seeing. 529 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Finally Virginia's figured it out. We call that the Alaska suit. 530 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, we we are, you know, those are the 531 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: close we wear up there. And actually, I gotta say 532 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: one thing, and bad for the suit makers, but good 533 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: for the jacket, sweatshirts, sleece guys. That COVID has given 534 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: a more casual appearance to the professional scene. And I 535 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: think that's the long play. I think politicians finally young 536 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: but you know, on button their shirt and took their 537 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: tie off for the first time. And I think that's 538 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: good for all of us. But that's the Alaska suit 539 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: they've been wearing. So I'm glad they've caught up to 540 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: our trends. All right, good job, so you set the trend. 541 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: While you're both here, I want to ask you about 542 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: this Supreme Court. Uh. This is awfully important and it's 543 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: interesting how we see this term. A lot of these 544 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: stories are being overshadowed by the daily political news, whether 545 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: it's reconciliation or in this case, elections, the President's trip 546 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: headline on the terminal Kavanaugh Barrett voice skepticism about Texas 547 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: abortion law. This is pretty important. This key Supreme Court justices, 548 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: as I read, raised the prospect they might act to 549 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: halt Texas far reaching abortion ban, questioning the state's contention 550 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: that federal courts cannot block the law. The enforcement component 551 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: here is the issue amy the fact that your neighbor 552 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: would be the one to turn you in if you 553 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: violated this law. Will it be the conservative justices who 554 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: end this well? I find this tough to actually succeed 555 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: because of the way that it was so poorly written. 556 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: So even though I am pro life, I actually do 557 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: not think that this still should toss with the way 558 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: that it's written. What do you think Senator Kavanaugh actorize 559 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: the provision as a loophole that's been exploited, expressing concern 560 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: it could be used as a model to restrict other freedoms, 561 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: including gun rights the Second Amendment. Yeah, you know, maybe 562 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the justices will do what's right and do you know, 563 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: follow the law and look at the long term impacts 564 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: of these kind of you know, jerrymandered laws. And I 565 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: would say this that it's always this case on these 566 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: kinds of issues that the people on both sides is 567 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: undegree always stepped too far. They try to test how 568 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: far they can go. And I think it's going to 569 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: be interesting if the Barrett and Kavanaugh vote to get 570 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: rid of that law. That's going to be earth shaking. 571 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Two Republican conservatives that have been praying literally for this day. 572 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: We should know Kavana and Barrett were in the majority 573 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: when the Court let the law take effect. That was 574 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: the first of September. It seems like a lot longer ago, 575 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: and a five to four vote this could have a 576 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: real broad precedent setting implications here amy with for instance, 577 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: the mississ Appy law that's also up for consideration, right 578 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I think on December one, Um, if 579 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: I recall correctly, But you know that that one's completely different. 580 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: Where I think it's that fifteen weeks of gestation and 581 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: there is not the provision where you are able to 582 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: sue um private entity, that private you know people for 583 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: say like you're an uber driver and you're gonna take 584 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: someone to go and get an abortion. Now you can 585 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: sue the uber driver. I mean that that's ludicrous to me. Um. 586 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: Once again, I'm pro life, but I find this bill 587 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: to be a mess. Um. The Mississippi bill is completely different. 588 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: Word doesn't have that loophole, so to speak. Um. So 589 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I think you know you're going to have to compare 590 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: apples with oranges in those two scenarios. How do you 591 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: see this one coming to an end? Senator? Do you 592 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: have a do you have a gut check on this case? Yeah? 593 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: I actually agree with Amy that I think the bit 594 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: simply weren't a little different. But again, you know, it's 595 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it's gonna end up. Now. I 596 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: see if the Justice and had their way, they'd rather 597 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: have much smaller bites to apple in the sense of 598 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: how to diminish the rights for women to decide what 599 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: they want to do with their bodies. I think that's 600 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: what would be a better approach for them, because they 601 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: can take a piece by piece. But these more broader 602 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: sweets like this put the Court in a very tough position. 603 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: But I think this one, the Mississippi want, is a 604 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: little different, and I'm not sure where it's going to 605 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: land at the end of the day. I want to 606 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: ask you both in our remaining moments here just about 607 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: what you think might happen tomorrow. We'll get back to 608 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: where we started this hour, an important caucus meeting, a 609 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: leadership meeting that we started the program telling you about. 610 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: In the House, we can add a headline on the terminal. 611 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: Pelosi says, hoping for vote this week on Biden agenda 612 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: this week is not tomorrow, Amy, do you have odds 613 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: on on whether we get a vote on either or 614 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: both bills this week? Well, I think to use the 615 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: word hope. Did she say hope, I'm hoping to get 616 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: hoping for a vote this week? You said it? Okay, 617 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: Well that's the key word right there. So you know, 618 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: Nancy doesn't usually slept, she doesn't usually make mistakes. So 619 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: I think by inserting hope that gives her a little 620 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: bit of wiggle room. So this is sliding. You're seeing 621 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: the timeline move, Senator, your thoughts on this, knowing everything 622 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: we knew going into today, but you add Joe Manchin, 623 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: and you add a Monday evening leadership meeting, a caucus 624 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: meeting apparently in the House where they're probably banging their 625 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: heads together a little bit here. Does this actually change 626 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: the picture at all? What kind of expectation do you 627 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: have for progress tomorrow? Yeah, I don't think the caucus 628 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: meeting side change his mind. I think it gets more 629 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: information on the table. I've always said this is a 630 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: sadly all these will be decided in December, maybe sooner. 631 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: But I think the problem is you've got debt sealing, 632 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: continuing resolution, a budget bill, the National Defense Authorization Bill, 633 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: which usually is the simple bill, is still stuck. Um. 634 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: I just don't know how to get there this week. 635 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: And I think you know so, I would give the 636 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: odds on Friday. Let's just say Friday, I get all 637 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: world odds that they vote on one or both, but 638 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: no more than that. Boy, that's not terribly hopeful. You 639 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: bring up an interesting point here. December three. Does the 640 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: debt ceiling After Janet Yellen seemed to give the clear 641 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: at least with her own conscience over the weekend Senator, 642 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling end up being handled through reconciliation and 643 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: a Democrat only approach. Yeah, I would say this on 644 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling. I think it should be part of 645 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: budget reconciliation because they're both related. What people forget is 646 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling is about the bills that were paid already, 647 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: not still that in front of us, and Republicans have 648 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: voted for it, Democrats have voted forward. It's turned into 649 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: this ridiculous a partisan battle which means nothing at the 650 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: end of the day because everyone votes for some portion 651 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: depending on who's in power. I put it with the reconciliation. 652 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: They'll call it good because if the Republicans take control 653 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: next year, next cycle, but they get the deal with it. 654 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: But let's quit the politics on the death ceiling because 655 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: it puts people, you know, in the markets, especially into 656 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: somewhat slight turmoil. But now they're building it into their 657 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: market pricing is that it's going to happen again, But 658 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: they won't, won't. It sounds like you agree, Amy did 659 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: I get that right, all right, Amy Tarkanian, Republican strategist 660 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: and former Alaska Senator Mark Vega's great talk. Thanks to 661 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: both of you for being with us our panel for 662 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: this Monday. I'm Joe Matthew, see you back here tomorrow. 663 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg