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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. I'm ben. I hope you are still

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Speaker 1: you and that would make this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. But not just any ordinary episode, folks.

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Speaker 1: This one has a plot twist. Yeah, there's a first

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Speaker 1: time for everything, and last week we had a significant

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Speaker 1: first four stuff they don't want you to know. We

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Speaker 1: did our very first ever live podcast. Yes, we were

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Speaker 1: invited to go to the Terminus Festival here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: It was a great experience for us. We we got

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Speaker 1: we loved we loved it. We enjoyed ourselves and before

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Speaker 1: So let's let it roll. One of the strangest things

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Speaker 1: since the dawn of time, since antiquity. Right. We all

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Speaker 1: know this story the all door of Plato's cave, right,

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Speaker 1: And according to Socrates, Plato says, I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: Like we've found notch bones and dialog devices that date

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Speaker 1: through the arcade, it was glorious. Today gaming is an

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Speaker 1: in this way where we're also using it to train

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00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: uh people for combat. Right, So, and we've known them

429
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: this for a while. There the U. S. Army, the

430
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: Air Force, and the Navy, they all use their own

431
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: types of simulators. There. They have various different kinds. Uh.

432
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: There's usually you know, a VR headset or just a

433
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: set of monitors, and there's they're usually sitting on top

434
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: of something that moves around, so that let's say you're

435
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: you're learning how to fly a plane or a jet

436
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: in combat situations, or you're learning what happens when your

437
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: jet is on fire? Um, what do you do in

438
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: that situation? Rather than you know, flying a jet and ejecting,

439
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Let's put them in this VR thing. It's probably a

440
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: good idea. It gives you that have to keep back

441
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: sort of like you might find it like a game

442
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: controller where if you're playing like Mario Kart and around

443
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: a corner doing a drift, you know, you get that

444
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: vibration on the control where it gives you have to

445
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: feed back to as going out sort of more later

446
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: re version. Yeah, and many of these many of these

447
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: technologies are first cooked up by Uncle Sam's resident Math

448
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: Science department, which is something called DARTBA, and dart BA

449
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: typically has a lead time on technology. And sometimes people

450
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: will tell you this this sounds crazy, but if you

451
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: hear about something being publicly announced by dark but the

452
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: odds are that they've been working on it at least

453
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: six years, and you will hear different time curves. But

454
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: that's that's essentially it. These simulators can also run training missions.

455
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: This stuff is not just for a medical surgeon. And

456
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: this stuff is not just for training a pilot in

457
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: a safety or emergency situation, although it is for those things,

458
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: it's also for things like sniper training, which means oddly

459
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: enough that I don't know if anybody here played Called

460
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Duty at some time, right, it means oddly enough, they

461
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: found that kids who were growing playing Call of Duty

462
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: had a faster learning curve as ciphers. They were just

463
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: better at it. And Call of Duty, of course it's

464
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: not I don't know if accurate is a fair word,

465
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: but it was. Apparently it was. It was very, very

466
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: similar to it, to the point where that they were

467
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: able to to these weapons they had let to use

468
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: in the virtual reality and this one. Yeah, there's and

469
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's things like Commanding Conquer. I don't

470
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: know if you guys ever played that or any other

471
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: top down strategy game like that that exists. It's real.

472
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: They've got real versions of this where you can look

473
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Speaker 1: at an area in Afghanistan, you can move your troops around,

474
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Speaker 1: see what happens, play out simulation what happens if we

475
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: moved troops here, what happens? How do they respond? Right?

476
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: And then you run the AI. It's pretty it's pretty advanced.

477
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Speaker 1: It's super cool. Ben, you had a professor who was

478
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Speaker 1: working on something like that, right, yeah, yeah, I guess

479
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: you can't talk about that. So I went to Georgia

480
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Tech where time and one of my professors was a

481
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: guy named Dr Brecky. And Dr Brecky is it can

482
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: close our eyes at picture a mad scientists the Abbott

483
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: like a Doc Brown type figure, yes, with glasses various? Okay,

484
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: So this guy revealed to us that he was working

485
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: on a program to create a virtual simulation of Afghanistan.

486
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: And the idea was that if we account for all

487
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: of the variables involved, then what we're able to do

488
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: when we push these variables and nudge them and make

489
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: small changes is want to be very close to what

490
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: would happen in the real world. Were those variables to

491
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: change spooky stuff? Right? Uh? And the idea was to

492
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: build models of different countries and eventually have some kind

493
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: of weird digital oracle that could roughly predict the same

494
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: way asthma psychohistory did changes throughout large swaths. Is to

495
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: hu the population. Yea, but I mean good right, I

496
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: don't know if he did it all the way I should.

497
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to ask him. So

498
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: we we know that there are all these different uh

499
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: the Navy has their own research programs into this, the

500
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: various medical technologies. That there's a beautiful thing about classrooms

501
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: where we can decentralize the physical location that holds a

502
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: lot of students back. So we can say, we have

503
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: these kids who have this amazing talent or trigonometry right,

504
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: or these amazing artists, and we would love for them

505
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: to learn together because human means are more than the

506
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: subtle our parts. However, one kid lives in Blutan, one

507
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: kid lives and Peru, two kids live in Canada, and

508
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: they can all meet at the same time, no lag time.

509
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: They can learn together. There's another darker reason why this

510
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: is fundamentally important, and that is because virtual reality also

511
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: encapsulates the ability to It also encompasses the ability to destroy.

512
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: The most apparent example of this in our time would

513
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: be turnal technology. So we have had instances very recently

514
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: where there is what it's called, you know, collateral damage,

515
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: right a schoolhouse is confused or an arms warehouse, and

516
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: because those children had to be in the same room,

517
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: they got with something like this, there's a decentralization of

518
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: that physical location. And what this means is that it

519
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people are going to be saved. It

520
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that are all people are, and it doesn't

521
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: mean that terrible things won't happen. But it doesn't mean

522
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: that we're finding different ways to address this problem. So

523
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: there's a child born today. When that child is eighteen,

524
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: then they may graduate college without ever having to set

525
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: foot physical foot in a campus. And so we see

526
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: that every invention is sort of like it is like fire.

527
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, it can earn, it can warm, and the

528
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: various realities we are constructing are the same way, very similar.

529
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: And this this leads me to think, you know, the

530
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: old question we still haven't answered, what is the nature

531
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: of reality? You know? Sure, so we we get back

532
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: to the senses and we and we really think everything

533
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, everything you think you know, I'm speaking myself,

534
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: by the way, is what you've taken in through your senses, right,

535
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: you've you've read words, then you have thoughts. Then that

536
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: is what you know. And if we're in a device,

537
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: if we're hooked up to a device, that we cannot

538
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: distinguish what we are seeing and hearing from me talking

539
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: to you on this microphone. Then what the heck? Where

540
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: are we were? Is reality? And we get into the

541
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: situation where we're gonna be building so many of these

542
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: things because they're gonna be profit is all heck, right,

543
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: Because if you could go and live in another world

544
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: that's so vastly different from this one and yet indistinguishable,

545
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: and you can go do whatever you want, I'm gonna

546
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: make money for that. I already do. I pay sixties

547
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: seventy dollars a pop when I get a new game.

548
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh god. But yeah, So what I'm saying is if

549
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: I could exist in those worlds right now, I probably

550
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: would be doing it. And it terrifies me because there

551
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: is something inside me that wants to do that well,

552
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: and it already kind of happens when you're playing a game.

553
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: In some games, there are games within the game. There

554
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: are people who will go into a massive of multiplayer.

555
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Granda thought it was a really good example. Yeah, all

556
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: the many things and grands of daughter that you can do.

557
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: And then it makes just think, you know, is that

558
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: reality still virtual? Is it just another form of reality?

559
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: Is experience really just a like nesting? Ma Throcia dolls,

560
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, get a game within a game within a

561
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: game within an experience. And I know that's a little

562
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: bit weird to say at four thirty in the afternoon,

563
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: but it's true. Yeah, I feel like it's a little

564
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: early for all us. And I I was just like, as

565
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: we see technology exponentially getting more and more advanced, like

566
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: we can see these things in our lifetime becoming just

567
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: insanely anas more so than we could in the past.

568
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh you go, okay, So I just I don't want

569
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: to end like have a negative note about the importance

570
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: of decentralizing classrooms, although it is very important. There are

571
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: amazing things that are going to happen as well, probably

572
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: within the lifetimes of our lifetimes, and that will be

573
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the realm of filth. So we're already approaching a point

574
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: where computer generated imagery can plausibly replace a person and

575
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: still look not not just similar enough, not that's really

576
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: good c G. I but oh I thought Marilyn Monroe

577
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: was dead. And it goes further than that, because a

578
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: managinal world wherein you can watch what's a movie that

579
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: what I saw that you like recently? The Lobster is

580
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: good Okay, all right, so you can replace the protagonists

581
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: of the Lobster, right, but it's not you're walking through

582
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: it like an old dragon Quest game or something. Instead,

583
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're having agents so you can

584
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: move around to all these other actors become in PCs

585
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: nonplayer characters that will react to your decision. So what

586
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: if in the Lobster are gonna be careful as to

587
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: soil it for anyone who hasn't seen it? Um, what

588
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: what if in the Lobster was the very beginning? Uh?

589
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: This guy goes through a hotel. What if you're in

590
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the movie and you decide that you want to make

591
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: a different decision than the movie moves with you. And

592
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: this is so fundamentally different from the other realities we

593
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: have tried to create in the world of theater, which

594
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: is again ancient. Uh, it would be like you're watching

595
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: performance of Hamlet and then you stop it and say, no,

596
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: say this, And not only do they say it, but

597
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: it ripples out and affects the rest of the plate.

598
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: That's what's going to happen and Phil and what happens

599
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: after that is a little bit difficult to guess, but

600
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an exciting thing to watch. It's also

601
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: of these things where like it does that fundamentally go

602
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: against the idea of like a singular vision and a

603
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: creator who took the times right and you know, produce

604
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: a film like The Lobster, which is a very unusual,

605
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: interesting film. You know, do we really want to put

606
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: that in the hands of any any old person that

607
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: wants to popping there and change it up for their

608
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: own You know, I think it will happen. You think,

609
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: you guys, we're missing the biggest thing. What's the biggest thing?

610
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is are we in this room changed

611
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: to a wall? And look are we staring out? Is

612
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: that everything that exists in here? Is this just shadows?

613
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: And how do we how do we prove that it's not?

614
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing. And I know it seems easy, right.

615
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: You can knock on the table. Hey, that's easy. I

616
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: can throw something and when you will probably catch it. Well,

617
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: you're a good cash I can tell you're a really

618
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: good cat. Um. I mean, how do we prove that? Right?

619
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: So then we have a lot of people thinking about

620
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: this problem, but that have been thinking about this problem.

621
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you saw Elon musk

622
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: is the little video where he's being interviewed and a

623
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: person posed a question, how do we know we are

624
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: existing in base reality right now and not in a simulation?

625
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: And he went aroundabout way of answering it, talking about

626
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: how much time he spends in uh what hot tubs?

627
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: He apparently how must spends a lot of time in

628
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: hot tubs. But anyway, he said, uh, he said, we

629
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: have a one in one billion chance of existing currently

630
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: in base reality. And that sounds a little crazy. Um,

631
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: you gotta take it with a little grain of salt.

632
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: But what are you speaking to? Was about Moore's law

633
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and the advancements that we've made in technology. What forty

634
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: years ago we had pong? Now what are we I'm

635
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: trying to think of the most advanced game? Was the

636
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: most advanced game right now? Seemed yes, you know, I know,

637
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: you know the new belt you're selling new meddle here.

638
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: Solid is crazy, huge world. You can do so many

639
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: different things. And the way the way the NPCs interact,

640
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: it's incredible that I have a question or point of order. Yes,

641
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Speaker 1: where was a lot Musman the centerty took place? What

642
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Speaker 1: directly was he in a hot top. He was not

643
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Speaker 1: in a hot top, so he was allowed to talk

644
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: about it. He said that he's not allowed to talk

645
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: about this in hot toes. It's really weird. You should

646
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: watch it. But anyway, that's one guy, just one of

647
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: the most you know, wealthy human beings on the planet,

648
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: discussing this, which is pretty cool to know that he's

649
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: at least thinking about it because it's kind of important.

650
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: So let me just gory. So he's positive that there

651
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: is a chance that we right now what we are

652
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: experiencing is in fact part of some greater simulation than

653
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: we are unaware of. No, he's saying there's a tiny

654
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: chance that we are not in a simulation. Serious saying

655
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: it's over well with likely and we're finding we're finding

656
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: more of the old trope or lord, the old ideas

657
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: that came in out about science fiction have become science fact.

658
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: And to paraphrase on Nest to everyone on the internet,

659
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: what a time to be all alive. This is the

660
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: part of the show usually where we do listener mail

661
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: or a shoutout corner, but our show is listener driven

662
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: because not to give us through a hard time. All

663
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: of our best ideas come from people who listen, So

664
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk with you guys about it, and

665
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: you're like, what do you think is going to happen

666
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: with film? If you have any questions? Do you think

667
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: we're in base reality? Is Elon mus on the money

668
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: or is he just coming too far into the hot

669
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: up game. It's just just not something you even want

670
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: to think about, because I usually don't want to think about,

671
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, reality shuttering concepts. I thought you were gonna

672
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: just say it'll hold us in a hot top. Well

673
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: you know well that it's not too bad? No, all right,

674
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: well to being open, Okay, so do you do you

675
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: have any questions for us? Guess? Or I'm just curious.

676
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: I know that they're on a residue evil VR game,

677
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: but like horror games to me just sound like how

678
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: do you get somebody but you can like be able

679
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: to really experience because like what they have a heart attack?

680
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: And I was just terrified dangerous. Right, you're gonna saying

681
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: all these videos where you you know, you put a

682
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: VR headset on your granny and walking through you know

683
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: it as an evil level and it's just about to

684
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, totally seize up right there. I mean, yeah,

685
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: I know it's intense, but you have to kind of

686
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: go into it with orphanizing. You probably shouldn't play tricks

687
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: on your your dear own brandewy from a medical perspective

688
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: or from a legal perspective. The way that the liability

689
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: for that will be handled is going to be the

690
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: same as liability for games that might cause seizures and

691
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: people with epilepsi. Yeah, any any games as you buy

692
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: has a crazy amount of disclaimers within the paperwork when

693
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: you pick it up. Probably never look at it. I

694
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: certainly didn't, but yeah, it's in. There's something there about

695
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: when not to operate this machine. There's plenty of games

696
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Speaker 1: that have a big disclaimer right at the front it

697
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Speaker 1: says this game has flashes in it that could cause

698
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Speaker 1: stures certain people. What about PTSD dealing with virtual reality experience?

699
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: That's just too intense for you, you know worse, maybe

700
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: you trigger something else previous PTSD or something like that.

701
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there, if there's some real stuff we're gonna

702
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: have to deal with and make some decisions about. Yeah,

703
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to ben too political, but I feel like,

704
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: hopefully we won't make a bunch of laws about it.

705
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: We'll just work on it, you know, kind of as

706
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: an industry, but we'll see. Yeah, similar thing happened with

707
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Speaker 1: the Mirrors Edge, which mas a first person free running

708
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: park pour game. Uh, beautiful game, but it was hacking

709
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: that sense we talked about before for preeception, and so

710
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: people were becoming violently ill because their stomach was saying, no,

711
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: we are twenty feet away from where we're supposed to

712
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: be and it's the wrong direction. Uh. And so I

713
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: know that, um, that was not a life threatening thing.

714
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: So the case is a little bit different, but personally

715
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: I cannot, like, I can't agree. I can barely handle

716
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Speaker 1: the The Boss level of music and el done. So

717
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I would. I don't know how

718
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Speaker 1: I would. I would like an emotionally prepaired for it

719
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: every time that happens. And some people in general just

720
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: don't have the constitution for putting on that headset. I

721
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: mean they're even like three sixty degree videos, so you

722
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: can get like a Google cardboard whatever put it on,

723
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: and it just throws people's delivering off some people, and

724
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: some people love it and they totally get immersed it.

725
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: It's great. But I had this wild idea that far

726
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: enough down the line, what if we ended up in

727
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Speaker 1: a world where there was a divide between people that

728
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Speaker 1: just chose to live their entire life hooked up to VR.

729
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: They got fed their nutrients through like you know, I

730
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Speaker 1: V tubes and they just never let their apartment and

731
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: they just want one of the people. It could be

732
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Speaker 1: like like, you know, like an open world kind of thing,

733
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Speaker 1: like a second life or something like that, you know,

734
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Speaker 1: where you have a VR version of this world that

735
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Speaker 1: you created for yourself, all your friends are. They're sort

736
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: of like heaven or something. You know. There's this Philip

737
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: technovel called Ubick where the idea is that in order

738
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: um you preempt yourself before you die, you decide, okay,

739
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: I want to live forever in the virtual reality of world.

740
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: So they put you in a box, they cryagetically freeze

741
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you and keep your brain alive, and you choose the

742
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: conditions of your world, and then you basically live in

743
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Speaker 1: that world forever. Obviously that's not a thing, but I

744
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: could see its being not too much of a jump

745
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: to be in a place where there's a divide for

746
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: people who want to live in the real world all

747
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: the time, and then a whole continue that just want

748
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: to be able to stay home, work in virtual reality,

749
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: live in virtuality, have all their interactions and their relationships

750
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: in virtuality. I just I just want to know what

751
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: that really fast. I want to I want to get

752
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: your question, but really fast. I just think it's really funny.

753
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: We kind of do that already, and all the work

754
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: that we have ever done except for this. This is

755
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: the first time I remember talked to other human beings

756
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: in the room like this. Everything we've done is in

757
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: a virtual world on the internet. Yeah, like our show

758
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: exists in a virtual world already. We have T shirts.

759
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'm talking about this sort of an escalation

760
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: of that. But it's to me seems like a natural

761
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: edge given you know, how exponentially this technology is improving.

762
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, what's that gonna likes question? It um what

763
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: you guys kind of mentioned about how you would make

764
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: choices in the film, but you know it kind of

765
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: it makes a film on most video games right now,

766
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: but the mat the detail purpose of a filmmaker trying

767
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: to tell a story, and then also just the you know,

768
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: the limitations on okay, well, how the actors or instant

769
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, how are they going to adjust to whatever

770
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you decide to do. I mean, it just it seems

771
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I guess that it dilades you filmmaking genre because it's

772
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, one person of multiple persons. Yeah, that threats

773
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: and makes a new genre because if you look back

774
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: and um, if you look back on the role of

775
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: so much hardware, what we see is increasing a globoration

776
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: of things into a single device or single concept. You know,

777
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not really a secret that one of the

778
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: main reasons a laptop up in the television or a

779
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: computer into television were separate for as long as they

780
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: are is because there was a profit move behind it.

781
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, why why sell somebody one thing when we

782
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: can sell them free. And now that phones have become

783
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: ubiquitous sort of catch all devices, right depending on the phone,

784
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: what we're going to see is the same sort of

785
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: thing happening with the genre of entertainment that they have.

786
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I personally hope that this does not mean there's an

787
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: end to what I would consider actual film, because this

788
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: choose your own adventure thing. As amazing as it would be,

789
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: there is a there's a certain catharsis that occurs right

790
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: when we're part of a story as we're along with

791
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: an ambissition narrator, right, we bond with a protagonist, I mean, hey, antagonists, right,

792
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think that will go away. It almost

793
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: has the illusion of making it more personal, where it's like,

794
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: this is my experience with this film, this is these

795
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: are decisions I would make. I am, you know, guiding

796
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: the the destinies of these characters myself. But in a

797
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: way it makes it more impersonal because everything becomes about

798
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: the individuals who shared experience anymore now and so anti

799
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: to me like this, the future of everything existing in

800
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: this way or being you know, focused in that way

801
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: is very impersonal and kind of a little you know.

802
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: One weird example of this would be, uh, when Mr

803
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: if you're Mr torrets in an interactive version of the

804
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Shining Right. Horror movies are what are those things where

805
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: people watch and they say, no, don't go in there.

806
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: We have all these we have all these stereotypes about

807
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: various people and their their role in a hard horror film,

808
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: their art type, right, But anybody in their right minds

809
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: playing the role of Torrance and being able to make

810
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: a decision and really thinking that they're in all haunted

811
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: perfidious living mansion would obviously not go into a room

812
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: where a decomposed lady gets out of a tub and

813
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: strangles you. That's just not a good life of goal.

814
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: And so I I that's why I don't think this

815
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: you would all go away, And I agree with you know,

816
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: I think I think that people would ultimately feel, um,

817
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit empty. You know, if you

818
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: play the video game for a long time, for instance,

819
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: and you're beating everything on it and at the high score,

820
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: you've gone through all the cheats or whatever. You've been

821
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: walking around in the sandbox of the world saying I

822
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: have infinite power and an infinitely board. That's what would happen. Well, yeah,

823
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: that's that's where you had. I'm not on the show,

824
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: but no one will talking about people will happen to reality.

825
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Perfect sleep would have so later. Yeah, I'm not necessarily

826
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: saying you would have to choose. I just think there

827
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: would be people that would choose like to exist in

828
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: that alone. Yeah, that's right, you mean we'll hang out.

829
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: The thing is, uh, you know, I was thinking about

830
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: virtual economies in in like Second life for some other

831
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: virtual world like that, and how much money there is

832
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: to be made inside those things, and there would be jobs.

833
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: There will literally literally be hundreds, not thousands of jobs

834
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: doing that. And well, yeah, and we're gonna lose all

835
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: the manufacturing jobs, all the all the manual work jobs

836
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: here in mase reality, or they'll be a So what

837
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying is it won't be a human doing any

838
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: of that. So we're gonna have to go deeper down

839
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: into the levels. Oh my gosh, so that we can

840
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: have jobs. Oh boy, I'm scared. It's gonna be fine.

841
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. Does anybody happen? Yes? How do

842
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: you think TVs and like monitored will exist with virtual realities?

843
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: Do you think virtual reality will just like make them obsolete?

844
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: Or anythink they'll exist alongside each other at least? All right,

845
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this. All right. So, one of

846
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: the biggest impediments to humanity interacting, like if you look

847
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: at the definition of a cidework and the average person

848
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: with a cell phone functions essentially is a cidework. Right.

849
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: One of the things that is currently a barrier to

850
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: that sort of seamless unity, whether you want it or not.

851
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: And I know that's a different episode, is is that

852
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: we are still bound by our inability to internalize right.

853
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: The some of the most common top of the line

854
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: computer is still in eased to work right, and we

855
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: still have to have something in front of our eyes.

856
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: So as development continues on things like contacts that are

857
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: essentially functioning screens, we're getting the screen closer. And for

858
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: most of the evolution of monitors, now we've been trying

859
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: to build we being humanity, not Nolan, Matt speak yourself, Okay,

860
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: well everybody but Matt. And the what we've found is

861
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: that as we look like we've made humongous screens that

862
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: are really big imax right. Imax is large enough that

863
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: if you're sitting in a theater and then you get

864
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: that awesome shot where they go over the cliff, part

865
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: of your body for a lot of people jumps with well,

866
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: there's no hands to your field division, rather like it

867
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: compasses your entire field because you have like curve screens

868
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: and everybody. So once one step would be that the

869
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: screen essentially gets closer becomes a contact, the next step,

870
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: which is tremendously controversial, would be at the visual input

871
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: is somehow put like wet wear, directly into the parts

872
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: of our brain that decode signals from our optic nerves

873
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: the read The scary thing about that is the idea

874
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: of what what would you do if somebody said we'll

875
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: give you this enhanced supervision that we'll give it to

876
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you free. You just have to agree to watch spans. Yeah,

877
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: adds every five minutes. It just depends on the schedule

878
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: and what's on. Right they fast forward to neither you

879
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: would have got to sit through this information about tie.

880
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: But it's a privilege to have the technology and it's free,

881
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: so you know, sure, I'll watch. Yeah, So that's that's

882
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: what that's what we think is gonna happen. And then

883
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: voice commands can eventually go to subvocalizations, to muscle movements

884
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: that are silent, so you'll just we'll see we'll go

885
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: away from a restaurant thing where you see the pictures

886
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: of everyone in their phone where you see pictures of

887
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: people just at the same table sort of staring up

888
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: into the left and going like um, yeah, but you

889
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: won't see them. Then you'll be doing the same thing.

890
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: That's you're right, okay, I'm okay. So that's that's why

891
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: I think. And then after the subvocalization of course, then

892
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: it would just be information directly from the consciousness. We

893
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: there's amazing research right now wherein h teams of scientists

894
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: have been able to take, uh, take kind of input

895
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: from some way and construct from that that input they

896
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: thought and figure out what they're thinking. Now, this is

897
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: not this is not amazing stuff. They're not like, is

898
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: that the first line of T. S. Eliott's The Hollow

899
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: And they're not at that level yet. They're like, oh,

900
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: you like this, you you don't like this, but it's

901
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: on the way. Yeah, okay, have you seen this? I

902
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: swore I saw this from the last year, but there

903
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: was a it was a real live event, but it

904
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: was a like a live version of Back to the

905
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: Future where you were basically standing on the square and

906
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: you would see Doc browning them leave in the DeLorean.

907
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about like if you could do that

908
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: in a virtual reality thing, you could like stay in

909
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: a different place on the street and like you could

910
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: go see what else was going on in the town.

911
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: You imagine all the remakes that would happen if you

912
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: could virtual world like a classic film like that. Oh yeah,

913
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: that sounds almost like an augmented reality. Think too, where

914
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: you and you combine your surroundings with something that's projected

915
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: on top of it. I don't know. I'm not worried,

916
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: and I think they're the reason. I think they were

917
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: doing like a Star Wars and he would be like,

918
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, standing in different places and locations and they

919
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: would act it out. It's kind of like a play,

920
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be walking around a thet and see

921
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: all the different locations. And there's there's a lot of

922
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: amazing stuff happening with camera work at this point that

923
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: allows for that kind of three hundred and sixty inclusive vision.

924
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: We're probably going to see more and more of that

925
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: as well as far as how far it will go,

926
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, because the the film industry is very

927
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: risk averse. So that's why there's a sea boel for

928
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: everything before there's a original film. There's even a camera

929
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: that just came out and I wish I ar with

930
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: the name, and it's not exactly three camera. It's a

931
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: camera that the way it captures photons, you can capture

932
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: them from behind, so it actually it does capture three

933
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: of sixty degrees, but not in the traditional VR kind

934
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: of way. It would just allow you to like separate

935
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: the foreground from the background. So it captures the subjects

936
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: and the background and what the subject is blocking, and

937
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: the post you can move, and it captures the light

938
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: in a way that you can manipulate the exposure and

939
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: the focus after you've already captured the image. So I

940
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: mean that to me, it's just mind boggling and energy

941
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: into all of this, you know, future technology. Yeah, it

942
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: also means that it's going to be a less possible

943
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: to separate the real photograph from a photoshop plant. You

944
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: won't need a gree screen anyone. So that's cool. Politics

945
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: are going to be really fun in the next two decades.

946
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: So any other questions to your one, Yeah, when does

947
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: each of the old favorite piece of speculative fiction that

948
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: kind of speaks to these issues surrounding a VR that

949
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna be dealing with the next couple decades, Not

950
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: the Matrix, Black Mirror, Black of Mirror, And I would

951
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: say Black Beer or whatever other episode that he's not

952
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: talking about. But there's other there's other ones. I was

953
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: gonna say, the filth um Grand Morrison, there's some he's

954
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: a comic book writer, and there's some thoughts and they're

955
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: about virtual worlds and basically junkies that are addicted to

956
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: be our we won't leave their their nests. Remember a

957
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: strange taste. Yeah, that was pretty apprescient, you know, like

958
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: it hasn't real occurred to me until now. But that

959
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: was all about like playback, like you know, putting yourself

960
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: into a recorded moment, recorded memory. But it basically is

961
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, virtual reality, but like a heavy kind of

962
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: emotional than to where you're reliving the moment that you

963
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: are experienced again, or it could be something that's that

964
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: you bought in someone else captured putting yourself. But like

965
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: with the whole lack mirror on, there is the this

966
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: isn't exactly virtual reality that there's the entire history of

967
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: you where we're talking about these implants and the idea

968
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: that everything that we see is being recorded at all

969
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: times and then can be played back for various reasons. Yeah,

970
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: we're like going through the screen line the airport. Instead

971
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: of having to you know, go through all these religious

972
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: processes and mines, et cetera. They just played back your

973
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: last forty eight hours and see you didn't know in fact,

974
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: he did not pack you know, explosive places like one through,

975
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: but things like that. In technologies like this, there's always

976
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: these emotional aspects that we don't think about, like what

977
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: does that mean? Due relationship? What does that mean? You know?

978
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: Like to if people fight with your spouse, for example,

979
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: they can just say, I know you totally said this

980
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: thing here for you. Yeah. Um, to answer your question directly,

981
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: William Shatner's tech Universe, I'm kidding. Uh, I'm some that

982
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: non many people are familiar with that. I have a

983
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: tough time picking a favorite. Um, but I would say

984
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: and I love the Twilight Zone. And I'm I'm recently

985
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: biased because I finished Ready Clear one which was great,

986
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: uh is, and I would I would recommend it. Um,

987
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have to college taint about that for

988
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: a moment because it picking favorites tough. What's your weight?

989
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: What's your favorite one? Oh? Yeah, a good question. Um,

990
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: probably your room, Like William Gibson, m hm, which you

991
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: have ended up with groups? And he was like right

992
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: on the money with that. Yeah, that's true, William Gibson.

993
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: Is I want to see what he's writing right now

994
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: and save it for fifty years. We have time for

995
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: one more question. This daily goes to you really is

996
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: just gripping off of what you were saying about, say

997
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: a scenario being in the airport and being able to

998
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: access what you've seen. That opens up in another scary

999
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: possibility of people being able to hack that and change

1000
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: than your memories and being able to set you up

1001
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: for same murders and stuff like that. That's really important.

1002
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: Dark memory as a memory as it exists now is

1003
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: far less stable. What we're sacer saying to ask people

1004
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: would have us believe because every time we remember something,

1005
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: remembering the last time we remember coffee of a coffee,

1006
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: and we're telling telephone with ourselves, so with hang up

1007
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: my visible telephones with so with with that in mind,

1008
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: I would say that, yeah, the security concerns are terrified.

1009
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: And because this this is now direct access to you,

1010
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: not to pieces of you, but to the thing we

1011
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: consider ourselves, are playing blackable too. And as the world

1012
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: we live in now where anything we create and there's

1013
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: someone going to try to distort that and constantly trying

1014
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: to be ahead of those peoples, so that brings in

1015
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: all the kinds of crazy possibilities with as technology advances. Yes,

1016
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: along with of course a backlash move towards primitivism. Right,

1017
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: we'll have a new rise of yeah, neo Luddites tracks

1018
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: and that ends it. My only idea about having a

1019
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: group of people who are just on VR there could

1020
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: be a backlash of consul that just the only like

1021
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: in the way you could be or we do a

1022
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: little bit art here and then we play some games

1023
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: that there could be a whole group of people to

1024
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: come up an opposition to that and just completely to

1025
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: shoot any kind of DW technology. I mean, like we

1026
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: always see the coming back US with any you know,

1027
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: wholesale migration towards extreme technology. Are you've seen the people

1028
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: over reacts what okay? And that we're gonna see. We

1029
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: want to thank you guys so much for coming out

1030
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: to our very first live podcast and really appreciate babe.

1031
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: And here we are back in I guess what passes

1032
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: for the present for US sixteen? Yes, the day that uh,

1033
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom decided to leave the European Union. Yeah,

1034
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: that is a kerfuffle right there. Hullabaloo. Also, I feel

1035
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of weird about Satan this, but we didn't put

1036
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: that applause in and post. Now that was real. That

1037
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: was cool, that's you know, and we were honestly a

1038
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: little bit nervous about doing is it being our first

1039
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: live show, you know, we didn't have the safety net

1040
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: of these padded walls of this studio, yes, that we

1041
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: usually podcast from. But I'm gonna have to say, fellas,

1042
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I I thought you you two in particular, did a

1043
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: great job. I I think I helped my own, but

1044
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: I think I think you two did a great job.

1045
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: I am still not sure if the folks at the

1046
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: live show we're clapping because it was over, oh come on,

1047
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: but no one clapping for each other for making it through. Yeah,

1048
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: that was probably. But one thing we wanted to mention.

1049
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: We did not talk about this that we were going

1050
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: to do this show. We didn't promote it. We wanted

1051
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: our first foray into the live world of podcasting to

1052
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: be you know, and not not be heralded with anything.

1053
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: We just wanted to see what it was like, a

1054
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: proof of concept, a secret show, sort of a secret show.

1055
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know about you guys, but I personally

1056
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: enjoyed that a lot, and I have a feeling that

1057
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: there will be more of these in our future. That

1058
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: being said, next time, I'm gonna take it upon myself

1059
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: to bring some of my snazzy recording gear and uh

1060
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: and get a really high quality recording that we can

1061
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: we can present to you guys next time, and we

1062
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: can take it about myself, not to surprise pressure you

1063
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: guys into beatboxing with me before a show. Actually the kids,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think made it to air this recording,

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Speaker 1: I took it out of the video, by the way.

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Speaker 1: But if if you're listening to this and you're interested

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Speaker 1: in what we looks like while we were up there talking,

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Speaker 1: you can watch our video on on YouTube this week.

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Speaker 1: We put it out so you can see that there's

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Speaker 1: a one part where Ben you're making hand gestures and

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Speaker 1: you talk about how you can't see the hand gustures.

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Speaker 1: I guess what you can see them. Yes, And we

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Speaker 1: want to give a huge thank you to the good

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Speaker 1: folks at Terminus for having us over and we may

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Speaker 1: be making an appearance there and this time next year

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we might have gotten a second date.

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Speaker 1: We'd also like to thank you for checking it out,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to all the listeners who came by and

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Speaker 1: new and uh new and veteran listeners who tuned into

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Speaker 1: the show in the meantime. If this exploration in virtual

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