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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is part two to two of

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Speaker 1: our Ridiculous History of Popeye the Sailor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sailor, the sailor Man, the sailorman. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's a seeming if you must. If pop I ever

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Speaker 2: sing any.

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Speaker 1: Abba covers, yes, you're correct. He did Dancing Queen primarily.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course no.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like we like talking about sea shanties

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Speaker 3: and stuff like, is there any parts we.

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Speaker 2: Have like that's sort of the lead in, but.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes toots out of his pipe, like yes, he

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Speaker 4: absolutely toots out of his pipe.

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Speaker 2: That's how that's just the song goes, it goes.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it was like Stan Hugill, like who

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Speaker 3: is We had a little second about like who's like

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Speaker 3: the father of them of the sea shanty He checked

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Speaker 3: them all out. He's around the exact same time period

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Speaker 1: Also, that's our super producer, mister Max Williams. I've been

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Speaker 1: bullied you are, mister Nole Brown. We do have one

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Speaker 1: thing in part two of this before we go in

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Speaker 1: that we have to clear up we promised you at

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Speaker 1: the end of episode one. Popeye's Chicken, a famous fast

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Speaker 1: food franchise here in the US, is not named after

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Speaker 1: Popeye the Sailor. At least that's what they say. According

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Speaker 1: to Alvin C. Copeland, who founded Popeye's Chicken and Biscuit

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Speaker 1: to New Orleans, he chose the name Popeyes as a

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Speaker 1: these are unrelated.

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Speaker 2: It is true.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like at the time there was a time,

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Speaker 4: I want to say, where there was a little crossover

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Speaker 4: I think it went away.

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Speaker 2: Oof.

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Speaker 4: I wish I have more information about that. That might

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Speaker 4: be a topic unto itself. Because Popeye's Chicken, I will

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Speaker 4: I will say, I think is maybe it wasn't always

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Speaker 4: this way in the great you know, franchise fast food

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Speaker 4: So if you'll recall they made a huge splash with

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Speaker 4: their spicy chicken sandwich. Remember when people were like clawing

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Speaker 4: each other's eyes out to get those things.

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Speaker 1: It even made it on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: just turns out fried chicken taste Stephen better without homophobia.

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Speaker 2: That's also true. Wait a minute, what chick fil A?

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, yeah, it's true. It's true.

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Speaker 4: But man, I had some people, some friends and loved

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Speaker 2: The chicken is just too good.

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Speaker 4: I got, I gotta get.

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Speaker 2: I don't give him a pass, but I will give them.

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Speaker 1: Talked about this off air. I had a at a

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Speaker 1: situation with a lot of my because you know, I

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Speaker 1: did sketch comedy in theater for many years and one

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Speaker 1: I caught him eating Chick fil A in his car

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Speaker 2: So so I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna name names, but my friend, if you were

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Speaker 1: listening to the show, first thank you, and secondly, just

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Speaker 1: be honest with the guy, you know, just let him

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Speaker 3: There's an sn L sketch from a number of years

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Speaker 4: Though Popeye another famous Popeye people don't often think of

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Speaker 4: Popeye Doyle, the character played by Gene Hackman in The

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Speaker 4: Me now, But anyway, I'm reading now on the Popeye

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Speaker 4: dot fandom dot com that Popeye's Chicken and Biscuits later

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Speaker 2: It was, my friends, it was until it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: In retrospect though, because again the official explanation from Popeye's

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Speaker 1: But already we're seeing the modern mythology a million percent.

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Speaker 4: I'm just reading off of this fandom body, But I

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous history of Popeye.

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Speaker 4: You know, I grew up watching a lot of these cartoons,

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Speaker 4: But I just remember there's one character, it was like

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Speaker 6: Salameh, salameh blogne Just yeah, that's with me, man, And

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Speaker 1: To your point, it was quite common in the world

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Speaker 1: And just like the Ravens and so many Disney cartoonsters.

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Speaker 4: And can I ask you a bit, how do you

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Speaker 4: I just feel like if you don't learn from history

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Speaker 2: And editing Roll Doll's books.

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Speaker 4: To remove any problematic or fat shaming language or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And then uh, we've got goons goon as a good

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it, but I understand it.

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Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, nineteen thirty three. Sweepye is a foundling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was like, just like Popeye, he was

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Speaker 4: So him feed the baby these like green amphetamines, getting

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we know it probably came about

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Speaker 4: And much like what happened when the Simpsons ran out

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Speaker 4: But there was an Aladdin's Magic Lamp one where Popeye

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Speaker 7: Domestic disputes, like Blueto basically just beats the out of

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Speaker 2: But that's the finale because only then do you get.

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Speaker 4: It zooms inside and then also there's like pistons pumping

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Speaker 2: It was incredibly ahead of its time.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, one hundred percent well said. And now as we're

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Speaker 2: The ip of it all right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Segar passed away on October thirteenth, nineteen thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: There were because the strips continuing as the cartoon. No,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a golden a golden Caanta spinach, a golden whifflehn,

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Speaker 2: Good on him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of funny names, of course there are other

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Speaker 1: They're bringing back just like the MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Speaker 1: of obscure characters from the Popeye Pantheon. Popeye Pantheon exactly,

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Speaker 1: Folks like oje, what wa watas nozzle like what a nose?

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Speaker 4: And and of course who could forget the golden times

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Speaker 1: Oh find a SoundCloud?

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Speaker 1: And then on January first, two thousand and nine, something

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Speaker 1: comic strip version of Popeye, but the TV stuff, the films,

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Speaker 1: Because trademarks don't expire unless they cease to be used,

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Speaker 4: to the hell Raiser stuff, and in order to continue

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Speaker 4: to maintain control over those rice, they have to release

441
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Speaker 4: something even if it sucks.

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Speaker 2: And they call those Ashcan movies.

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Speaker 4: That's right, And I don't remember exactly where the terms

444
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Speaker 4: derived from, but there are a handful of these, Like

445
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Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of the direct to video Hell

446
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Speaker 4: Raiser movies are quite awful. I would argue maybe only

447
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Speaker 4: one through three, and the new one I thought was

448
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Speaker 4: pretty badass. But there's a whole stretch of real stinky

449
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Speaker 4: Hell Raiser movies. There's a couple that are like porn

450
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Speaker 4: b grade bad. You know, the makeup is bad. But

451
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Speaker 4: they literally released it just so they could maintain control

452
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Speaker 4: over that intellectual property.

453
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Speaker 1: And Clive Barker had no inputs, no, nor we.

454
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Speaker 2: Sold the rights way to that long ago.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's pretty upfront about that in interviews. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: but also Clive Barker, amazing writer, one of the best.

457
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Speaker 1: If you're listening and you have teenage kids, one of

458
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Speaker 1: the best young adult books in the language is The

459
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Speaker 1: Thief of Always.

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Speaker 4: It's men magically meaningful book to me growing up, beautiful illustrations.

461
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Speaker 4: It's just I think Clive Barker and Neil Gaiman are

462
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Speaker 4: kind of cut from the same cloth too as well.

463
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Speaker 4: Like to me, like Thief of Always is a very

464
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Speaker 4: Neil Gayman esque type story.

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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 4: So so, so so good, and you know, you could

467
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Speaker 4: sit make it a movie like American Gods could be

468
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Speaker 4: called a Clive Barker.

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Speaker 2: Esque That's what I mean. Yeah, that is.

470
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Speaker 1: I hope they like each other, man, I hope they're

471
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Speaker 1: cool with each other.

472
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Speaker 2: They like such a great they are. I don't know.

473
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Speaker 4: I don't know what made it seems like they should

474
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Speaker 4: collabor something, because they really do have a similar sensibility.

475
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Speaker 2: But oh I did sorry, did you real estately? I

476
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Speaker 2: did hear that? You know?

477
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Speaker 4: Henry Seleek, who the amazing stop motion Animatory and Coraline

478
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Speaker 4: and Christmas. His new movie is supposedly going to be

479
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Speaker 4: an adaptation of Neil Gaiman's The ocean at the end

480
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Speaker 4: of the lane or the ocean, sorry, the ocean at

481
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Speaker 4: the end of the universe.

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Speaker 2: Of things I'm in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's essentially a spiritual successor to Coral. And

484
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Speaker 4: the book was awesome and Henry Selick rules and I.

485
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Speaker 2: Love it when he does Neil game and stuff, so

486
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Speaker 2: look forward to see that.

487
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Speaker 1: But Ocean at the end of the laying, that's one awesome.

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Speaker 2: We've got just.

489
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Speaker 1: A couple of things that we need to let you

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Speaker 1: know about Popeye, folks. We said there were a lot

491
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Speaker 1: of characters. They were well over one hundred and fifty

492
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Speaker 1: individuals and groups. A lot of them again are one shots,

493
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Speaker 1: meaning they show up Monster the Week style and then

494
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Speaker 1: they never appear again. We do have to note not

495
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Speaker 1: all of these aged well, especially when you're looking at

496
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Speaker 1: stuff that involves the African continent or you know, the

497
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Speaker 1: World War two propaganda pretty offensive against Japanese people. You

498
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Speaker 1: can find these on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: You can, you know, picture the grossest stereotype you can imagine,

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Speaker 4: and it's probably that very in line with the like

501
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Speaker 4: we were talking about earlier that Disney any propaganda films

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Speaker 4: featuring Donald Duck.

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Speaker 2: Like what is it called the Furor's face in the

504
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Speaker 2: furor's face, Oh yeah, you can find that.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the the Walt Disney Corporation basically disowns

506
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Speaker 4: all of that stuff and doesn't talk about it and

507
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Speaker 4: doesn't display it in any of their historical representations or

508
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: you know whatever curates exhibitions exactly right. But and I

509
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Speaker 4: think I've mentioned on the show before, if you're ever

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Speaker 4: in the San Francisco area, highly recommend you check out

511
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Speaker 4: the Disney Family Museum, which is I think paid for

512
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Speaker 4: by like a trust left by Walt Disney, you know,

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Speaker 4: for his like his heirs, And that museum contains all

514
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: the crazy Disney propaganda stuff, the posters, clips, and also

515
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: a lot of prototypes for things that would would ultimately

516
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Speaker 4: become rides at Disneyland, the optical printer, a lot of

517
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Speaker 4: the technology that the Disney Corporation invented, you know, the

518
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Speaker 4: multiplane camera, the real deal, really really cool place.

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Speaker 2: Highly record and that even if you're not a Disney head.

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Speaker 1: And we also recommend partnering with agricultural products to make

521
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Speaker 1: your comic strip famous. Popeye cartoons were or actually just

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Speaker 1: sell your spinach. Popeye cartoons were so popular during the

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Speaker 1: Depression that sales of spinach increased by thirty three percent.

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Speaker 1: Just for a second, and we know how crazy and

525
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Speaker 1: ridiculous this sounds. Just for like a little bit of time.

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Speaker 1: During the Great Depression, spinach was the number three most

527
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Speaker 1: popular food for kids. The first was ice cream, the

528
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Speaker 1: second was turkey, the third was spinach. It was a weird,

529
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Speaker 1: weird time.

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Speaker 2: That's very that does not track. Kids do not like spinach.

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Speaker 4: It's not anymore well, and especially not anymore canned spinach.

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Speaker 4: I could see using it maybe in a frittata or something,

533
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Speaker 4: or using it as a cooking ingredient, but it just

534
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Speaker 4: weirds me out. I don't think I could just eat

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Speaker 4: spinach from a can. But also, you know, it was

536
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Speaker 4: lean times and you could stockpile these, you know, and

537
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Speaker 4: they would keep, so it makes sense.

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00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but canned spinach is kind of depressing.

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00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: It's really present.

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00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: It's it looks like it's like eating wet tobacco or

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Speaker 4: something like.

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00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really even when it's seasoned. Well, we'll

543
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: have an episode on artificial flavors later, but I like

544
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: caned spinach is how did we get here?

545
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: A moment? Right? It's sort of like I was first

546
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: exposed to the vegetable of beats, the vegetable of beats

547
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: through canned beats that you would see.

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Speaker 4: You know, around the holidays or whatever, these bright blood

549
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: red sliced monstrosities. And so I think I don't like beats.

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00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: Turns out, though, if you buy a beat with the

551
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: root on it and everything, and you cut off the stem,

552
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: wrap it in some tinfoil, season it with some salt

553
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: and pepper and some olive oil, and roasted in the oven,

554
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 4: it is an earthy, delightful, sumptuous treat for the palate

555
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: and the mind.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, man, It took me a long time.

557
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: I can eat beats now. It took me a long time, though,

558
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Speaker 1: because I had.

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Speaker 2: Olden beats, beats.

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Speaker 1: I don't talk about this often on air, but when

561
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: I was living pretty rough in Central America, I was

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Speaker 1: scarred by the same remo lachas like beats, canned beats

563
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Speaker 1: as we're talking about, because it was one of the

564
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Speaker 1: things I could afford to eat. It was a beat

565
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Speaker 1: salad and the taste of dirt. It was a how

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Speaker 1: why am I here? Kind of situation. But I may

567
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: I made peace with them, and this is not in

568
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Speaker 1: any way to cast dispersion upon the good, hard working

569
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Speaker 1: folks of Guatemala. It's just I never never want to

570
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: see a can beat again. I don't want to smell them.

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Speaker 1: I would rather eat actual dirt.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I agree, And then that's what I'm saying, is like,

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Speaker 4: I think the same is true of canned spinach. Somebody

574
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: might be exposed to spinach for the first time, getting

575
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Speaker 4: dumped out of a can on their plate, not realizing

576
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: that if you cook it down the real fresh kind,

577
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: it's a whole lot better culinary experience. And Ben, when

578
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: I have you over for dinner this summer, hopefully soon,

579
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: for a little cookout, I'm gonna make a roasted golden

580
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: beet salad with raspberries and arugula.

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Speaker 2: And uh and fresh goat cheese.

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you it's gonna it's gonna knock your

583
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Speaker 4: socks off.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to it. I trust you. You have me

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Speaker 1: at the cheese quite off.

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00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, put cheese on anything. Its true.

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00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 4: But Ben, do we have any fun little tidbits or

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00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: little nuggets that we've missed to wrap this baby up?

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00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, we've got We've got a lot. And I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna hear from our fellow listeners over on

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Speaker 1: our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. Uh there is again. I

592
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: think what amazed all of us, Noel Max, myself and

593
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Speaker 1: hopefully you folks, is the sheer amount of influence that

594
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: this one comic strip or idea has had on American culture.

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00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: They invented jeep, that's nuts. They invented whimp Are you

596
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: kidding me?

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00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: That's at least that's that's the that's that's the belief.

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00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: It's hard with language like that, you know what I mean,

599
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: because it's it could have been a slang term that

600
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: was already being thrown around and they jumped on it,

601
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: but it was a little more niche perhaps, And then

602
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: you get a character like that that just spreads it

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00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: far and why And we know what Wimpy is. Yeah,

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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: he's like Shaggy and Scooby Doo. He's he's he's busy

605
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: hiding in a corner eating eating sandwiches or in his case, hamburgers.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say Shaggy as in the

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Speaker 1: music Star.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was I love that, I would love I would.

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00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Actually it wasn't me is the banger first? It's the

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00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: ten ten statement that Wimpy would make if he was

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Speaker 1: caught cheating.

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00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he also you know what, that's a good point.

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00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: But he also was kind of a bit.

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Speaker 4: Of a a guy that would cheat. I believe, in fact,

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00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: there are scenes where he cheats at cards. Maybe I'm

616
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: making that up, but I do feel like he was

617
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: a bit of a of a of a no good

618
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: nick kind of but not so not evil, just mischievous

619
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Speaker 4: and dishonest and kind of a sack of.

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Speaker 2: Shit, you know, Scamp. He's a scared.

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Speaker 1: He's not doing murder, but he will probably do some

622
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Speaker 1: stamp fraud.

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Speaker 4: He would do the thing where he'd like tie a

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00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: string around a dime and drop it in the payphone

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00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: and then pull it back out.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of win and fake stamps as well,

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00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: little mild stamp fraud, a little you know, you get

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Speaker 1: in situations, folks. We're having a lot of fun with this.

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Speaker 1: There's more to get to. As as said earlier, we're

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Speaker 1: going to go in our own YouTube rabbit holes because

631
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: I gotta rewatch forty thieves again, the Alibaba and Aladdin.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch both of those back to back the

633
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Speaker 4: moment I get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited because.

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Speaker 4: I distinctly remember. And they're long too, guys, Uh, longer

636
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: than you think. I mean, these were big productions like

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Speaker 4: the Disney shorts. These are twenty twenty five minutes sometimes,

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Speaker 4: so it's like, you know, they tell a tale, and we.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed exploring this tale with us. Big big

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Speaker 1: thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams at our

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Speaker 1: own composer. I love to say that, mister Alex Williams

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: and who else lots of.

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Speaker 3: People and to just jump in here real quick. Special

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Speaker 3: shout out to our research associate for this episode, no

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Speaker 3: other than mister Ben Bolin.

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00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Of course, he's Jeff Coaches.

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Speaker 4: Chris rossiotis here at Spirit, Jonathan Strickland, the quiz str a,

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Speaker 4: Jay bombas Jacob's the Puzzler, Max with the Facts with

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Speaker 4: or without usually with and Ben, you my friend? Uh

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Speaker 4: what am I am? I I'll be wimpy to your Popeye.

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Speaker 4: I think that's okay. Oh and I'll do that here.

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00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: I'll go gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger for

653
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: some ridiculous history.

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna can be y'all's olive oil. Do you

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Speaker 2: bet you can't.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I always thought that she was didn't

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Speaker 4: really do it for me, guys, you didn't quite understand

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Speaker 4: why the boys were following. Was she like the only

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Speaker 4: woman the deal nos of anybody type that I always got.

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Speaker 4: I found her to be animated, to be a little

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Speaker 4: let's just say homely.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know exactly what you mean, because I

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Speaker 1: remember thinking that as well, reading these readings comics growing

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Speaker 1: up or seeing the cartoons, and it's like, come on, Popeye.

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Speaker 2: You can do better.

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Speaker 4: She's also kind of what's the flighty and like always

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Speaker 4: playing games, Like she's always kind of going for Blueto

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Speaker 4: until he like sexually assaults her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also, uh, look, not to disparage her character,

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Speaker 1: but I think she was designed or written this way.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't bring solutions to the table. She brings problems,

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Speaker 1: and that's not good for a relationship. I've thought about

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Speaker 1: this way too much.

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Speaker 4: No, I found her to be a bit of a

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Speaker 4: toxic person. She didn't really bring much to the table.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for the emails. Oh one time. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Popeye did force feed Spinach to Blueto so

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Speaker 1: that Blueto could finally beat the snot out of him,

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Speaker 1: and he could evoke sympathy from olive oil.

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Speaker 4: So there's a toxic Yeah, but is already jacked? Man?

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Speaker 4: That guy's already like pounding all the muscle milks or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know, did he even need that edge? You think

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Speaker 2: he already?

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Speaker 4: He clearly had no problem, you know, kicking Popeye's butt

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Speaker 4: until Popeye, you know, like sucked down his magic leaves.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yes, you said, Ben, We could go on and on,

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Speaker 2: but we're wrapping up the show, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, sir, a big shout out to our own

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Speaker 1: personal Blueto, which is, of course, can you guess?

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Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know. Jonathan Strickland is not really a

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Speaker 2: Blueto esque figure.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen him in a while.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. Maybe he might have gotten jacked again.

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Speaker 2: Remember that, remember Jack Jonathan period. It was amazing man.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks.

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