1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: scripted as well. All Right, rain Dross, If you've been 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: where glam meets grit and the headlines always comes with 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: a sight of hard truth. 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: Every week, Courtney Parker and I put back the velvet 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: robe on fame, fortune and the fallout they try to hide. 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: That's right, Carlos, Everything from reality TV scandals to the 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: crimes committed behind the cameras, whether it happens on or 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: off the screen, Carlos and I will bring you the 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: tea surrounding hot topic crime stories involving all of your 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: favorite reality TV personalities. 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child is that 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal. Hey, 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: rain Jobs another episode of Reality Crime Stories with Courtney Parker. 22 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: We are diving into. 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: The ongoing saga that is Portia Williams and her ex 24 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: husband Signi Well Badia. So Courtney Parker, are you ready 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: for what is this? Courtney Like park eighteen fo Okay, 26 00:01:59,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: yeah too? 27 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: The divorce story that just keeps on giving Like this 28 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: is a reality show in and of itself, and I 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: actually love it. This time, however, Carlos, I have taken 30 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: a turn for what the rain drops will say the better, 31 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: because as this thing continues to drag out, I become of. 32 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: Less empathetic towards Simon and more. 33 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: Teen Porsche, more and more Team Porsche, because I can 34 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 3: only imagine how she must be feeling just everything regarding 35 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: this never ending saga that is her life and her divorce. 36 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: Yeah no, listen, that's a lot going on. 37 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: So we have our resident ex spur Steve joining us 38 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: in a bit. But let me update the rain drops 39 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: coordinate on exactly what we're talking about today. The title 40 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: of this episode is locked out and leans in you 41 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: knowsessment titles, So to catch you all up, rain Drop 42 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Porsche Williams ex husband Simon Gobadia. As you know, they 43 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: finalize their divorce. Okay, he purchased a seven point three 44 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: million dollar mansion that has been under more legal paperwork, 45 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: then throw pillows, Hey Pampa by Porsche. But the finalization 46 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: of Portion and Simon's very contentious divorce, Simon was ordered 47 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: to cover the mortgage and household bills for three full 48 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: years to the tune of forty thousand dollars a month, 49 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: then spousal support for like I said, three years. However, 50 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Simon is allegedly cutting corners by leaving mortgage payments unpaid, 51 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: lean's piling up, and Portie inevitably the one holding the bag. 52 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: So must show that his own lawyer filed a lead 53 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: against the house for over two hundred thousand dollars in 54 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: unpaid fees. So now the very home that was supposed 55 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: to symbolize Mada Bliss has become a court house hostage. 56 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: So, Courtney, what is going on in this? So I 57 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: didn't know this? 58 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: So it's actually Simon's lawyer, Yeah, that filed the lean 59 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: against the house. 60 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Listen, We're gonna have Steve talk about it from the 61 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: legal perspective. But again, we kind of call this when 62 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: when Simon got kicked out of the country when he 63 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: was deported. Everything that came against him in the United 64 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: States he could run for from he doesn't. He's not 65 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: obligated to do uphold anything within the United States. 66 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: What are they going to do. 67 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: He's no longer a citizen, he's no longer a resident, 68 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: He's no longer obligated to do anything. And this just 69 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: goes to show that this isn't just about mispayments here. 70 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: This is about the optics. Court documents show late notices, 71 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: they show unpaid balances, lean stacking up faster than housewife 72 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: shades on a reunion. But for someone who flaunted private 73 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: jets and designer suits, this feels a lot like malicious intent. 74 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: Remember when the world, including myself, was feeling like Portia's 75 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: team tipped off Vice to get him deported. Simon is 76 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: now taking the position of no accountability or obligation to 77 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: the American court system or their divorce. 78 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: So let's bring in Courtney, our resident attorney, Steve Suzoo, 79 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: our legal expert, so that we are able to really 80 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: decipher exactly what's going on. 81 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 5: Happy to be back. 82 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: We are so happy to have you back. So let's 83 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: just get right into it. 84 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 5: Okay, So did I say, we predicted all of this 85 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 5: month or so ago. I'm sorry to me, said. 86 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen, don't be sorry. We it's the 87 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: reason why I'm going to expert and courty. I are 88 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: the nosy journalist. Hey, Poorsche, So talk to us about 89 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: the latest and greatest. So, Cordy and I have just 90 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: discovered that Simon's lawyer is the one who filed the 91 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars lean against the Hull. 92 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: Talk to us about that. How did that happen? But 93 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: most importantly, why is that happening? 94 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: Well? And so, a lot of states allow these kind 95 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 5: of let's call it a mechanical lean, if you will, 96 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: where a lawyer can file against somebody's property. New York 97 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 5: does not. Some states allow it, and it's you write 98 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 5: it into the retainer agreement. Where you're where you're where 99 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: you're committed to legal fees based on your assets, and 100 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 5: a lawyer can file a lee. It's fairly common in 101 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: a lot of states, not New York. New York doesn't 102 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: doesn't allow lawyers to do that. 103 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: Right, let me ask a question, if I might, Carlos, 104 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: So you kind of predicted this? You absolutely not? Kind 105 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: of you predicted this when we were running with the 106 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: notion of did porsious team call Ice tip Ice off 107 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: to have him deported? And you over emphasize and stressed 108 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: the fact that it would not be in their best 109 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: interest even though it was considered a legal strategy, it 110 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: would it would be a strategy that backfired. Does de 111 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: portion excuse Simon from pain. 112 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't. It doesn't excuse him. But you know, 113 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: an unenforceable order is is worthless. I mean, it has 114 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 5: no it has no meaning. Look, there's a couple of agreements. 115 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 5: There's a treaty out there, the Hague Treaty if your 116 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 5: if your country is a signatory, and that that they 117 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: they will allow the signature countries to enforce support orders 118 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: from the United States or to the United States. But 119 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 5: for several reasons, it doesn't help Poorsha here. One is 120 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 5: Nigeria is not a signatory to the Hague Treaty. And two, 121 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 5: the United States is only a signatory and so far 122 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: as child support obligations are concerned, and we know there 123 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: are no children here, so that that that really doesn't help. Really, 124 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: the only method by which he can enforces his assets 125 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 5: here in the United States that's the home, of course, 126 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,479 Speaker 5: and hopefully it has for her sake, it has substantial 127 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: equity in it. We don't know that though. We're assuming 128 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 5: the mortgage, which is rarely public, is in the fifty 129 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 5: percent range. That would still leave about three million dollars 130 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 5: or so in equity. So that's not nothing. Frankly, the 131 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,479 Speaker 5: money is about in fact, Yeah, is Simon. 132 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: Doing this in your opinion because he wants to either 133 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: make matters worse for Portia, you know, and then Leana 134 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: gets the home that he owns, or is he doing 135 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: this as a financial legal strategy because and if it listen, 136 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: it could be both. 137 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: And if it's both, Okay, you asked the My second 138 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: question first is. 139 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: What does I'm to get out of having this lean 140 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: on the home net ports of a thigh thin? 141 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it's it's called it's called leverage, right. 142 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: I mean, if he starts to pay the monthly expenses, 143 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 5: you know that that's coming out of his pocket. On 144 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 5: the other hand, if the house is closer to forfeiture 145 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 5: or or or it is closer for the bank taking 146 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 5: it back, then you know he gained some leverage. He's 147 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 5: going to have more of an incentive to resolve this 148 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 5: in a way that is acceptable. She can always say, hey, look, Simon, 149 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 5: let's agree on ex will cell house. Now I get 150 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 5: two thirds, you get one third. But he has no 151 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 5: incentive until that happens. Let it go. Why should he care? 152 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 5: And again, we're assuming that the mortgage is around fifty percent. 153 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 5: It could be I don't know, twenty percent, could be 154 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 5: eighty percent. We just don't know. My guess is that 155 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 5: the down payment is a lot smaller than fifty percent, 156 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 5: which means paying a lot of equity there. What does 157 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 5: he care anyway? It's not going to be anything left 158 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 5: at the end of it anyway. So it's a great 159 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 5: it's a great legal strategy. That is what I would 160 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,119 Speaker 5: advise him to do if he was in Nigeria. 161 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: I feel so sorry. 162 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: Again, we've watched all of this play out, We've watched 163 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: the kind of volley from both positions. But today, after 164 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: reading this and doing our research for this episode, I 165 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: really feel sorry for Porsche. She gets the divorce, she 166 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: finally gets the divorce that she wants, and this marriage 167 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: has this marriage and divorce has quickly become an absolute 168 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: nightmare for her. Instead of peace, She's tied up in 169 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: you know, more legal disaster and financial debt as a 170 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: as a result of this ongoing thing with with Simon. 171 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 5: What could she do? 172 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: What can she do besides just sell the house because 173 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: it's she's still living in the marital home. 174 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, well they're really Look I wish there was 175 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 5: a great strategy, but as we discussed on previous shows, 176 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 5: it's the assets here in the United States that give 177 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 5: her some leverage. And all we know is Simon has 178 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 5: a has an interest in that house. That's all we know. 179 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 5: Are there other assets here that are attachable? That's what 180 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 5: she should be going after. She should probably have an 181 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 5: investigator looking to see if she can track any interesting 182 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 5: assets that he has. But if the answer to that 183 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 5: is no, that house is it is okay. 184 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: So Simon, by the port of law, was told that 185 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: he must pay the mortgage for this house. 186 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm big in Nigeria. 187 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: And by this lean happening, does this prevent him from 188 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: paying the monthly mortgage payments? 189 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: No? No, absolutely, Look the lean that his attorney just 190 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 5: put on, it is just something that secures the attorney's interest. 191 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: Right if if if somebody were the want to buy 192 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 5: the house in foreclosure, and that Lian was still outstanding, 193 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 5: the purchaser would have to satisfy that that two hundred 194 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 5: thousand dollars. But right now it's just it's a placeholder 195 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 5: protecting that lawyer's interest. And by the way, interest in 196 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 5: terms of dollars, accrues until the debt is paid. 197 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 3: So is it is it safe to say that not 198 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: only did he is he abandoning his responsibilities to their 199 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: multimillion dollar mansion, essentially obligating her to keep up the 200 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: mortgage on her own, but he's also tacking on his 201 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: attorney fees to the. 202 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 5: House and hers for nothing. Why then he's supposed to 203 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 5: pay her attorney's fees too. That's another two fifty or so. 204 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 5: So we're talking about half a million dollars that that 205 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 5: is going to come out of the house and not 206 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: go into either one of them. Well, indirectly, it goes 207 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: to Simon because it's not out of his pocket, right, 208 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 5: so he either bays the half a million himself or 209 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 5: he doesn't pay the half a million. It comes out 210 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: of his portion of the equity. If there's enough to 211 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 5: cover it, and I suspect there isn't. Let's just put 212 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 5: it this suppose there was one hundred million dollars, one 213 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 5: hundred million dollar house, we're talking about three or four 214 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 5: million dollars. Is what is what she's entitled to in 215 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 5: terms of you know, the divorced settlement, right, you know 216 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: mortgage is paying two or three million dollars? Is what 217 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 5: what her get out of the divorce decree? Well, if 218 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 5: the house is worth one hundred million dollars, it's an 219 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: asset you want to preserve, right, you want to pay 220 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: it down. You don't want the bank to get it 221 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: is they sell it at auction penny's on a dollar. 222 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 5: They don't want to do that. But there isn't enough 223 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 5: left for that to be the motivating factor for Simon. 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 5: There isn't enough money in the house left for it 225 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 5: to affect Simon. But to go back to your first 226 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 5: part of your question, one, isn't vindictive? Yeah, there's always 227 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: in matrimony. Again, we talked about this several shows. There's 228 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 5: always a vindictive aspect to matrimonial actions. Somebody wants the 229 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 5: other party to pay, to suffer, to look bad. That's 230 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: just the way it is. He being vindictive, You bet, 231 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 5: he's being vindictive, As you said, Carlos it's both. The 232 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 5: answer is both. He's doing it for two reasons, both 233 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: of them, as you mentioned, addictiveness, and it's a smart 234 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: legal strategy, is it right, Courtney? No, it is he 235 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: a deadbeat? Yeah'd be. We're taking care of his responsibility. Yeah, 236 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 5: he should be. But we don't live in a perfect world. 237 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: So I have a question. 238 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw out there and wait for 239 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: all the comments to come rolling in. 240 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: Do we think. 241 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: That Simon is a mastermind with this play or rain drops? 242 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 4: If I can call your rain drops rain drops, Carly. 243 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: This is it serves Porsche right for thinking she was 244 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: the exception to the rule. 245 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 5: Well, I mean legally with you know, lawyers, you're not 246 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 5: supposed to have heart or emotion when it comes to 247 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 5: the other party. As far as if you are Simon's lawyer, 248 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 5: she could. She could be living on the street for 249 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: all you care. We don't. We're not. Our interest is 250 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 5: in our client. The client comes first, not the client 251 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 5: sex wife. And so no, I don't. I don't think 252 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: there's any interest whatsoever do it. Do I feel bad 253 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 5: for her on some level? Yeah? Absolutely. Anybody who gets 254 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 5: who gets treated in this way, you know, there's it's 255 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 5: a reason to feel our sympathy. But if I were 256 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 5: Simon's Laura, I wouldn't feel the slightest bit of sympathy 257 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 5: for her whatsoever. 258 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: Let's flip it. 259 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: If you were Porsche's lawyer, how what and how would 260 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: you be advising her right now? 261 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 5: Well, if I was the lawyer who suggested dropping the 262 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 5: immigration time on him, I would be hiding out someplace, living, 263 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 5: presumably in the witness security program because whoever advised that, forever, 264 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: whoever dropped that that idea is it really should be? 265 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 5: I mean, actually shout so you know, But you have 266 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 5: to be telling her I think you do just as 267 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 5: I'm telling you, if you're honest and look, I have 268 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 5: no interest in the outcome, right I have. I can 269 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 5: be completely objective about this. The answer to your client 270 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 5: who says, what am I going to do about it? 271 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 5: Is you better hold onto that house and sell it 272 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 5: as quickly as you can because you don't have any 273 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: other leverage. Right, And she's going to say I'm not 274 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 5: doing that. I'm you know, she's going to be vindictive too, right, 275 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 5: That's what happens in the matrimonial action. 276 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: And that's gonna be my thing for me because I'm 277 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: not gonna go off court. I'm sorry, but for me, 278 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: the million dollar question, or in this case, it's seven. 279 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: Point three million dollar question, since that's how must the 280 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: house costs. 281 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people are questioning why keep this house? 282 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: Why supports chemic a house that has massive mid rooms, 283 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: massive land, and she's a single woman, she has one child. 284 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: Yes, you may have a big family, but for all. 285 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: The purposes, this house is a reminder of your past 286 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: that you should want to be able to like step 287 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: away from Courtney asked a good question about you know, legally, 288 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: would you advise her to sell the house? 289 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: You're pretty much saying you would. 290 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: On the other side, let's let's say that Steve, you know, 291 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: legally Porsche doesn't want to sell the house. As her attorney, 292 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: what legal sort of leverage does she have to stand 293 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: on by keeping the house? If there is any or 294 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: or or or is this a situation where a client 295 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: is more concerned about the vanity of a man time 296 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: min dollar house versus the smart strategy of letting this 297 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: go move on with your life. 298 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: So this guy doesn't have something like this to do 299 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 2: to you. 300 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 5: Again, well, look, if it depends on the client's pack 301 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 5: sual position. If she needs money and she can't afford 302 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 5: to wait and hold on to that judgment and watch 303 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 5: it accumulate for the day when he either leads Nigeria 304 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 5: or you find an asset, well, then she could wait 305 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 5: because it technically worth millions of dollars the longer he 306 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: doesn't pay it. On the other hand, you know, if 307 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: she's struggling to make ends meet, well, you know she's 308 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 5: going to have to be do the practical thing, and 309 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 5: that's dumped that house again, assuming there's a reasonable amount 310 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 5: of equity in it, and assuming he's willing to, you know, 311 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 5: negotiate with her right now. He has no interest in 312 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 5: doing so. But yeah, it depends on what the client, 313 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 5: what the client's position. 314 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: Is, and we don't know that several people have implied 315 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: or alleged that this is too extensive of a property 316 00:20:54,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: for her to maintain, even on her Bravo Countless Ventures 317 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: branding deals. If she decides that, hey, he's not fulfilling 318 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: his obligations, I'm going to take over the mortgage payment. 319 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: I'll settle it. 320 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: Can she force or buy his question from him all 321 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: the debt that he's accumulated. 322 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 5: Sure, In other words, you know that just as he 323 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 5: has an incentive not to pay this, uh, her paying 324 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 5: that monthly mortgage and monthly expenses really ends up in 325 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 5: his pocket because it's contributing to the to the equity, right, 326 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 5: and who knows how that's going to play out. So 327 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 5: you know, look, you know, should she do that? No, 328 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 5: she's got to dump this place. That's the reality. I mean, 329 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 5: it's there's no, that's the asset. We keep going back to, 330 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 5: how do you enforce the matrimonial decree? It's in effect 331 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 5: the judgment call it agree, but it's a judgment, right 332 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 5: enforce it. He can only enforce it rationally on assets 333 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 5: that he has an interest in here in the United States. 334 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 5: That's the way to do this. That That really is 335 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 5: her only alternative. I wish there were others, but that's 336 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: really it. 337 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, because he can skip town, but he can't skip his. 338 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: Accountability absolutely eventually. 339 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: Right, she's living the harsh reality of his obligations now 340 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 3: are in theory. But her obligations to the property, because 341 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: her name is on it, her credit can be affected 342 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: by the lane's lack of payment. 343 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: We don't know for sure that, but can it that's 344 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: a good question. Can it becomes the house of done 345 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: her name. 346 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, but look it's it can because she has 347 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 5: an interest in the property, and when that property is foreclosed, 348 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 5: she's the one who's going to be in it, right, 349 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 5: She's the one who's going to get kicked out. She's 350 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 5: the one they're going to drag out while the marshalls 351 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 5: go in and the sheriff goes in and takes over 352 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 5: the property and they take all the contents and all 353 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 5: the belongings and so on and so forth. So I 354 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 5: don't know if her name is actually on the d 355 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: but still she's going to go down as the wife 356 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 5: of the guy who's you know whatever, seven million dollar 357 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 5: mansion was seized, and it's not a good position to 358 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: be in. 359 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 4: I do believe her house is on. 360 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 5: The d Like, if her name is on the deed, 361 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 5: then she's she's responsible. It's the mortgage on her, correct, 362 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 5: She's one. I mean, for the most part, you're your 363 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: tenants by the entirety. If you're married, you know, you 364 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 5: get automatic rights to each other's if you somebody else 365 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: house dies or something. But yeah, she's gonna she's gonna 366 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 5: be a responsible she's gotta she's gotta dump the place again, 367 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 5: unless there are some secret assets there. She's got a 368 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 5: private investigator who's tracking down Simon's asset as we speak. 369 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 5: But again, I mean, but that's what I would advise 370 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 5: the client to do. But that quests money. Now, finding 371 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 5: a financial investigator to track down assets is a really 372 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 5: expensive proposition. 373 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: And it's not like Simon is hiding. If he's hiding, 374 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: he's hiding in plain sight. He's in Dubai with his youngest. 375 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: Daughter right now. 376 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: He's all over social media, so he's actively letting you 377 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: know what he's doing. And it's very clear from these 378 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 3: lians what he's not doing. 379 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: It's one way to put it. That's right. He's not 380 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 5: saying he's not saying his death absolutely a deadbeat. I mean, 381 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 5: let's face it, he's walking away from the woman he 382 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: married and the woman he promised the life too and 383 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 5: promised a and he's just simply walking away from it 384 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 5: because he doesn't like the result of the judgment. That's 385 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 5: not how things work. He doesn't like the fact that 386 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 5: he had a prenuptial that was enforced, doesn't like the 387 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 5: fact that the court order. You know, that's it's not right. 388 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: But he's showing the world. Hey, I don't care, come 389 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 5: get me. You know where I asked a known scammer. 390 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: I hate to say this now, but no, it's like 391 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: everything that he read we read about him, from the 392 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 3: very first episode of Reality Crime Stories, the deportation fiasco, 393 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: the fraud to get back into the US, to the 394 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: scam allegations. 395 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 5: To the just all of it. 396 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: It's well, that's the joy of it, right. 397 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: The joy of is he he get all this sympathy 398 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 5: because he was held in detention for several months and 399 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 5: now all of a sudden, folks that don't realize, wait 400 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 5: a minute, he was able as a result of that, 401 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 5: he was able to get out from under a seven 402 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 5: million dollar a judgment against them. Not that, Carl, that's 403 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 5: a thing. 404 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you. 405 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: Feel about how Porstia's publicly handling this? 406 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Well, look, I think the fact that she has allowed 407 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: the chatter to. 408 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: Be the bloggers and not necessarily her. 409 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: They are filming the new season of Atlanta Housewives that's 410 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: been widely reported, so possibly we get to hear about 411 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: this on the upcoming season. But I think in terms 412 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: of her silence, I think that's and I'm sure any 413 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: lawyer would say it's best to not say anything to 414 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: something at all. So, unlike Simon, who is doing interviews, 415 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: Portia hasn't said much about the latest discovery. And look, 416 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: it is one of those things where I do want 417 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: to ask you this, Steve. If Simon fails to pay 418 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: any of the mortgage in this home, although it was 419 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: granted by the judge, he should, what happens to him. 420 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to pay any mortgage fees. I don't 421 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 2: feel like doing that. 422 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: Probably nothing, because if there's enough equity in the house. Uh, 423 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: then the bank is just going to foreclose sell the property. 424 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 5: And the difference between what they get for the house 425 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 5: and what is oh, they'll just simply write off is 426 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 5: a bad debt and you take a tax deduction on that, 427 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 5: and most banks are very happy about it. And once 428 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 5: you write it off, that's it. It's no longer enforceable. Uh. 429 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 5: And and theoretically, if he was in the US, you'd 430 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: have to include that write off on his tax return 431 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 5: because it's income. If you will, you know that the 432 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 5: satisfaction of the debt is income or the whether or 433 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 5: the destruction of the debt. So that's what the bank 434 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 5: would do. They're not going it come it's not worth it. 435 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 5: We're going to pursue them in New Jersey. They're going 436 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 5: to take a write off and be better and be 437 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 5: better for it. 438 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: Really, ask this one question, because you just raise a 439 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: good point. If he but if they can't find him 440 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: and they're not going to pursue looking for him to 441 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: pay the debt, does Porscha now have the right to not. 442 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 4: If she says she sells the house, does she have 443 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: the right to not pay him? And unless she can't 444 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 4: find him. 445 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 5: It depends on what It depends on what's in the decree. 446 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 5: But if there's any ambiguity, what you'd go go, you know, 447 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 5: in a few months from now, say, and if they 448 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 5: were still not making the payments, you'd go back to 449 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 5: the judge and say, look, he's not complying with your obligation. 450 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 5: The only thing I had choice I have now is 451 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 5: to sell the house, get the aquity equity out of it. 452 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 5: May I have permission to sell it now and deduct 453 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 5: what he hasn't paid me from his fifty percent of 454 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 5: The judge I'm sure would approve. And the sooner they 455 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 5: do that the better. 456 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So they approve it. 457 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 4: She gets the check, she's supposed to legally say. 458 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: She gets eight, she makes eight million. 459 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: Dollars, right, and he's entitled to four minus whatever debt 460 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: he owes that he didn't pay. 461 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 5: If they clear eight public. 462 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: If they clear eight, she takes her four. There's three 463 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: if it. 464 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 5: Left, if she's if she's made whole and there's something 465 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 5: left in the residuary of the sale, yeah, then he'd 466 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 5: be Entitledho was fifty he do the numbers, forty five 467 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars an alimony for fourteen months. Let's say 468 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 5: that you know you're going to forget the expenses because 469 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 5: you're going to sell the price. You know, if there's 470 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: anything left, he gets a piece of it. Yeah. 471 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: Sure, Why she can't find him, like he's disappeared in 472 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: plain sight? Is it her obligation to try to find 473 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: him to pay him the money from for his seller, 474 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: I mean for his share of the house. 475 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 5: Well no, Look the way the closing, the closing would 476 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 5: work would be whatever's left would be held in the 477 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 5: closing attorney's escroyd count and they reach out to them saying, hey, 478 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 5: we got to we got a million dollars for you. 479 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 5: Where do we send it? I can you can be certain. 480 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 5: Simon would say, here are the wire transfer information. You 481 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 5: would be gone in a minute if there's anything left. 482 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 5: If there's anything left. 483 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: This is this is beyond fascinating because again it sort 484 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: of shows you the strategy that goes into play when 485 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: you're dealing with marriage that has gone through divorce, allegations 486 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: of scamming, international play. 487 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 5: Here. 488 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: I I'm therown away by exactly what I mean, blown away. 489 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: Excuse I'm blown. 490 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Away by exactly the details Steve, because I'd expect any 491 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: of this. I'm actually shocked by the revelation and the strategy. 492 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: But again that's why people like Steve make all the 493 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: big box. It is a very is what you said. 494 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: It's all about who's the smartest in the room. And 495 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: that's what I got from this this time episode. 496 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I don't know if it's all about smart 497 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 5: it's about taking advantage of the opportunity that came up. 498 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 5: Whoever got him into ice lawyer said to him, get 499 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 5: the hell out, you walk away from this, you'll be 500 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 5: better off for it. And just taking advantage of the 501 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 5: of the factual situation is what he's doing. Now. Who 502 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 5: could play that? 503 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: My last question. 504 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: Based on that, based on the fact that him being 505 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: called by caught by ice benefit of him in the 506 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: long run, well in the short run, because this is 507 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: happening now, could Simon have called ice on himself? 508 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 5: You know what you've said, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, 509 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if it was some sort of 510 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 5: a plan. Right, although again, rather than spending four months, 511 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 5: other than spending four months in iced attention, I would 512 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 5: have just gone back to Nigeria. 513 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: That's true, Okay said, Well, you know, he has. 514 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: An ego, so he probably never suspected he retained for 515 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: that long though, so it could have been that it 516 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 3: backfired on him as well. 517 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 5: It could There only is one other theoretical. 518 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: Four million, potentially four million dollars would you have done 519 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 4: the time, Carlos, No, I spent four time. 520 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 5: I spend a lot of time in jail and I 521 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 5: can't wait to leave as soon as I get there. 522 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 5: So so how four months is a long time, especially 523 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 5: if you're in an ICED attention facility forget about? Yeah? 524 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah interesting, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is not 525 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: going to be the. 526 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: Last, right right, Here's. 527 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 5: Please our folks anytime to joy to see you guys 528 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 5: will be on the show again anytime. 529 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: Oh, Corney, Courtney, Courtney, that that was a gag of 530 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: the gag, gag a gag. 531 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 3: So you asked a great question though, like did he 532 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: call ice on himself? We're gonna have to do some 533 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: investigating because you know this is not it. This is 534 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: not over with Simon. I know Porschas some were sitting saying, 535 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: I wish this was over for for for. 536 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: Me, yes, and I want to get going for her too. 537 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: It's a tough little swallow. It's like they never ending saga, 538 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: a divorce. But yeah, but like you said, who knows 539 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: what's next from this crazy story? 540 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: Who knows what's next? 541 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: And we'll be ready for part twenty five. 542 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: Yes we are. We are so rain drops. 543 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for another episode of Reality Crime Stories with 544 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: Courtney Parker and look for the next one. 545 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: We will be back diving into. 546 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: More stories from our favorite stars in the reality world. 547 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: Thank you, Courtney. 548 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, 549 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership. 550 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: With The Lack Effect Network. 551 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at 552 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore