WEBVTT - Ep. 188: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Luke McFadden & American Wilderness

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Neukleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose built

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<v Speaker 2>hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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<v Speaker 2>as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody cares if I'm making any noise.

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<v Speaker 4>Your head.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel like what a fourth wheel?

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, Josh, wheel turns a tricycling No.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, You're more like a spear.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like right on the back of the balls

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<v Speaker 2>there and Brent falls off.

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<v Speaker 6>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, So we're running. This is like, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a skeleton crew the bear Grease. We've got four folks here.

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<v Speaker 2>We have maybe one of the best mystery guests of

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<v Speaker 2>all time though on the bear Grease Render for real.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got Brent here, I got Josh Landbridge spillmaker here,

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<v Speaker 2>who sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a hold on back, Well, it's not me, turn it.

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<v Speaker 6>You got it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, say something.

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<v Speaker 5>Now something now give us the snort. My nose is

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<v Speaker 5>pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>Pullet pullet out like this right there. Yeah, that's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I've ever done this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's hear your snort.

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<v Speaker 6>There's no way to get it anywhere. Sorry, feel I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like a like a mule, I have like the

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<v Speaker 4>Britney spears circle mid to thousands like heads, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean, Brooks.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So when I'm when I'm riding a mule, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a mechanism that I can use, a physical mechanism

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<v Speaker 2>I can use to tell how how worked up they are,

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<v Speaker 2>how much physical energy they're exerting, and how close they

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<v Speaker 2>are to their maximum output and haloton. Yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>probably a lot like your peloton nostral flare when you

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<v Speaker 2>really I'll look at a mule's nose and if his

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<v Speaker 2>nose is just kind of like slightly pulsating, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a lot more put the spurs to it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Let's go up the mountain when they get

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<v Speaker 2>to just like when when when the when the nostrils

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<v Speaker 2>are flaring out, like getting like a half to three

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<v Speaker 2>quarters of an inch bigger than the usual, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>moving at like one inflation per second, like.

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<v Speaker 3>They've maxed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe given break, maybe you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Hitting rev limit or on your mule.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, that's like that's like pushing into like forty

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred rpm. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So mystery guests we have here today is the crabber himself,

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<v Speaker 2>Luton McFadden.

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<v Speaker 6>He is a crabber.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I ain't no crab You ain't no crabber.

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't no mule skinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're more of a mule skinner than I'm a crabber,

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<v Speaker 2>because you rode a mule yesterday for probably a nine miles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, had to go.

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<v Speaker 4>It was great, no problems with your first time. It

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<v Speaker 4>was my first time riding any any animal. Oh yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I watched the video, thought it was he's pretty solid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he did good. Were you Were you nervous

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<v Speaker 1>at all?

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<v Speaker 4>Not really, to be honest, because that's what why I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just maybe I'm a little too dumb to be nervous.

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<v Speaker 4>It just looked about that situation. It just seemed, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>they seemed nice enough, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, I trust him.

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<v Speaker 5>You get thrown out of off a mule, all you

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<v Speaker 5>gotta do is get up and get back on him.

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<v Speaker 5>You get thrown out of a boat, then you got

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<v Speaker 5>to swim. It's got a hold a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Now we could we could get into a bait

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<v Speaker 2>on the debate on like which one.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be worse.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm trying to give him his props. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well true story.

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<v Speaker 2>The I told Luke about a story of a young

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<v Speaker 2>man that rode with me the other day that had

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<v Speaker 2>like a zero, like if they're on the scale of

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<v Speaker 2>one to ten of just knowledge of equine animals, like

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<v Speaker 2>he would be like minus one, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Which end is the he was?

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<v Speaker 4>He?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he was like shouldn't his feet be pointed

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<v Speaker 2>outwards on his belly?

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<v Speaker 1>He he was.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I'm gonna use this word it's not derogatory

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<v Speaker 2>towards him, but like almost naive.

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<v Speaker 1>He just jumped up on that mule and was like

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<v Speaker 1>so relaxed.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I was trying to tell Luke is that

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<v Speaker 2>an animal picks up on the energy. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a NEUROSCIENTI and uh and think this earth

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<v Speaker 2>is just like natural physics. Man, there is there is

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<v Speaker 2>something deep going on inside a horsemanship that that's very

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<v Speaker 2>natural and there's a scientific explanation for it. But that

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<v Speaker 2>animal is picking up what you're putting out if you're tense, fearful,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels it, it knows it, and it translates to

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<v Speaker 2>that animal if you're just like totally relaxed. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>put this young man on a mule that's usually pretty

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<v Speaker 2>hopped up Izzy and Is he's a great mule, very

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<v Speaker 2>much to a finished meal, thousands of miles, never done

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong, but she's hard to handle. Like, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>put Mema on Izzy, right, Uh, Izzy would just she

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't hurt her, but well she probably would she could

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<v Speaker 2>because she might, you know, not buck her off, but

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of get out of control a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I put him on there, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a little nervous about it, but he was a

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<v Speaker 2>strapping young lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it all comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>This was before that, This was this was before that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I put him on there and and he

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<v Speaker 2>was so he was so relaxed. Is he was relaxed,

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean he just rode, We rode all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place and totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Luke teld me. He did. He was just like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is no big deal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I didn't ignorance, is bliss.

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<v Speaker 3>When I did notice on the video when they got

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<v Speaker 3>mid stream, there was a little bit of well is

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<v Speaker 3>he tripped? Yeah, and and Luke's eyes got a little bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>but that was the only expression that he had, and

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<v Speaker 3>he just like, all right, we'll just keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that when we were crossing the river? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>she tripped and she tripped, and I thought, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 4>that we got about to get our cold plunge in

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<v Speaker 4>for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that would have been awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, hey, before we get to start, I have something

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<v Speaker 4>for you guys, For each of you, I've brought from Maryland. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I also smuggled on the airplane. It was not quite

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<v Speaker 4>as hard as the live crabs, but it was had

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<v Speaker 4>its own different challenges, but they did make it here.

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<v Speaker 4>I have one for each of you. I'll explain after

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<v Speaker 4>I give it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here you go, Oh, I can't what, Brent, what's your guess?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. He's taking off his shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't. Don't show it over here, but don't show.

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<v Speaker 6>It to what's my guess? It could be crap. Oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, like, not even a single idea.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is ah, I know what it is. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I felt it now.

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<v Speaker 6>If this is a dead fish wrapped up in newspaper,

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<v Speaker 6>I know I'm a goner.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it is all right, so they're wrapped up

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<v Speaker 4>in newspaper. But this is a Maryland tablecloth.

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<v Speaker 6>He this is real.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a this is a tell me what this is.

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<v Speaker 4>That's we call that a bluebell or blackhead duck decoy.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a canvas back, Brent, Oh, listen, these are

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<v Speaker 4>not any duck decoys, all right, these are so you

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<v Speaker 4>you guys just did your book on market hunting deer

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<v Speaker 4>right in America. Yes, so the Chesapeake Bay where I'm

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<v Speaker 4>from had a long stretch of history where market hunting

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<v Speaker 4>ducks was a huge part of culture and you know, industry.

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<v Speaker 4>So these decoys and then you know, so that went

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<v Speaker 4>from eighteen hundred to eighteen or nineteen eighteen was market

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<v Speaker 4>hunting when it was legal. Then nineteen eighteen they outlawed it.

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<v Speaker 4>So then there was a culture of outlaw market gunning.

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<v Speaker 4>So these decoys are actually from between nineteen eighteen, after

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighteen, but before nineteen thirty. These are actual outlaw

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<v Speaker 4>wow market gunning.

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<v Speaker 1>D Man.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me tell you my brother right now, Tim is

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<v Speaker 5>he's doing a double backflip right now, and he don't

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<v Speaker 5>know why because I'm holding this and to a duck guide.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, this right here is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's history man, and those are made right you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this is a hand carved?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>I could tell you. I I have done some research

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<v Speaker 4>on both of these, and I can tell you who

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<v Speaker 4>made that one. I don't know who made this one,

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<v Speaker 4>but that they're from rock Hall, Maryland, which is right

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<v Speaker 4>across the bay from me. It's a crab out of

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<v Speaker 4>rock Hall sometimes. And so that the camsback you have, Brent,

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<v Speaker 4>is likely turned down on a gun lathe from like

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<v Speaker 4>World War One or what I know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>not that great whatever, like an old period military gun

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<v Speaker 4>lay that they would these guys would get ahold of

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<v Speaker 4>so they would turn some decoy bodies like that one

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<v Speaker 4>is likely turned on a lathe and then finished with

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<v Speaker 4>a spec I don't know they were kind of using whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>but that one.

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<v Speaker 3>I think bass would.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know that's common these days. I don't couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>tell you what these are made out of.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a heavy wood.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So that one that you have is likely hatchet

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<v Speaker 4>carved and then finished with a draw knife. They would

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<v Speaker 4>take a block and they would carve it with a hatchet.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could have given this to the people that would.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it more.

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<v Speaker 4>And that see, there is going in the museum. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a part of me that hates to take history from

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<v Speaker 4>where it's originated. It's lived its entire life, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in within ten miles of where I live at, you know, forever,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a lot of history with these two things.

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<v Speaker 4>But I know that you guys, if anybody will appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>it and take care of it, you know it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be you, guys. What a gift dude, and I have.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like, this is about as good a spot

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<v Speaker 2>on a gift as could be given.

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<v Speaker 3>I would suggest not eating those paint chips though.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a little lead in those paint hips.

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<v Speaker 4>Those I'm sure you know what those are, but those

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<v Speaker 4>are brass shotgun shelves, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So those describe what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like a twelve gage shell, but it's just made.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a twelve It looks like a spent

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<v Speaker 2>twelve gage casing, but it's brass.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the whole thing's brass. And so the exact section

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<v Speaker 4>of one inch brass pipe. Those are earlier than the decoys.

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<v Speaker 4>So those are from somewhere between nineteen hundred and nineteen ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are from allegedly from the guy got them from

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<v Speaker 4>and the research I've done. And those were very, very

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<v Speaker 4>common with the market gunners because they could reload them

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<v Speaker 4>and shells were expensive, so they would use these brass shells.

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<v Speaker 6>That they could.

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<v Speaker 5>They used to call them Saint Louis too's the shoot

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<v Speaker 5>number two shot at them when they would head rake them,

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<v Speaker 5>you know across the bay.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Boy, they used to hunt these things with punt guns.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that would really be a cool thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>these like ten foot long shotguns where they would pour

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<v Speaker 4>like two pounds a shot and then they stolling boat

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<v Speaker 4>and take out the whole flock and a roost.

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<v Speaker 1>That man, Wow, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>You could see the knife cuts on that on that cavat.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a blue belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Now bluebell is like a duck that people want to

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<v Speaker 2>kill up there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah. Canvas backs are kind of the king

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<v Speaker 4>of the Chesapeake, you know, been known for that. But

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<v Speaker 4>the blue bills, I mean, that's what you know, that's

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<v Speaker 4>like number two. Really there's a lot of the round

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<v Speaker 4>so that is awesome. It's likely that these have been

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<v Speaker 4>reheaded since then, but I mean they would that once

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<v Speaker 4>kind of got a cracked head, you know, they they

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<v Speaker 4>would carve the bodies. They put twenty heads on them

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<v Speaker 4>in their life because they would just break off. There's

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<v Speaker 4>actually even I was looking them over and there's a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of spots where they're shot in these decoys, which

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<v Speaker 4>I think, I think, you know, like and I know

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<v Speaker 4>they don't look.

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<v Speaker 2>Like much, but there's a shoe right in that One's

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<v Speaker 2>a no, dude, that's gonna hang in the museum.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna these things have seen things that I hope

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<v Speaker 4>that we will see again, but it's unlikely.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just cool, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a gift for you, And this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a retaliate, retaliatory gift. This is not I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do this before I knew these were here, and in

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<v Speaker 2>a way it's a gift from me, Josh and Brent

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<v Speaker 2>oh Man.

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<v Speaker 3>These things are getting scarce, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is a genuine plot Hound treed Ozark Mountain

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<v Speaker 2>Killed custom one size fits all raccoon hat made by

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Lambridge spilmmaker, that's a that's a so my my

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<v Speaker 2>good dog, Fern Treed that coon. The last guy gave

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<v Speaker 2>one to Well, I gave one to Cam Haynes. Cameron Haynes,

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<v Speaker 2>and he asked me if I killed it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>said probably. And the reason it was probably is because

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<v Speaker 2>there was probably three or four kids over each that

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<v Speaker 2>year that may have shot it. But that is a

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<v Speaker 2>genuine Arkansas trash hound.

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<v Speaker 1>Treed treasure hat.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you so much. That is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>You might you might need a fur hat up there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, no I might. I think I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 4>wear it to the airport, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Like, Hey, if t s A tries to take

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<v Speaker 1>that from you, call.

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<v Speaker 4>Us, I know. No, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 6>That is.

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<v Speaker 4>That is amazing. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's the Duck decoys. Incredible. So if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know Luke, all you gotta do is just look up Luke.

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<v Speaker 3>L into your search, into your Instagram search.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say.

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<v Speaker 2>Here he goes Luke McFadden, Luke Skywalker's second Luke Skywalker,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke uh Luca, donna check he might come up. NBA

0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.560
<v Speaker 2>guy scored sixty points. He ain't no grabber no, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke has a big TikTok. You kind of got TikTok

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<v Speaker 2>was like your thing there for a while.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely started on TikTok and it kind of spread

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<v Speaker 4>across all plans form, So now you know TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I've been putting a lot of time into.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a grabber, Yeah, yep, it's it's what I do

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<v Speaker 4>full time grabber.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you just give me like a like a

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<v Speaker 2>short overview of your business, like you're catching crabs and

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<v Speaker 2>then you're selling them direct people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep. So I'm twenty seven. I started when I

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<v Speaker 4>was eighteen on my own boat and everything, and I

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<v Speaker 4>sold to wholesale you know, middlemen for the first seven years,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I tried to get into you know, retail,

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<v Speaker 4>which is kind of how I got into the social

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<v Speaker 4>media stuff. I was trying to figure out, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>find a market for my product really, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, just kind of figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 4>market it better and whatever else. So end up selling

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<v Speaker 4>a direct customer and so I've been doing that for

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<v Speaker 4>the past two years and it's growing, you know, which

0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.280
<v Speaker 4>is a great problem to have. But yeah, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a full time waterman on the bay and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about smuggling those live crabs. So, like two

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<v Speaker 2>days before he came down here, we're at Arkansas at

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<v Speaker 2>the Global headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, could you bring some crab down here?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if if I was going somewhere, I could

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<v Speaker 2>see somebody saying, hey, would you bring some bear grease

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<v Speaker 2>or some bear me and I would be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just my bear grease is a little bit harder to.

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<v Speaker 2>Come by, but I would I'd be like sure. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I texted Luke and I said, Hey, what are

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<v Speaker 2>the chances you could bring some crab? And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>like like frozen crab or like live crabs. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, I don't even know what I'm asking for,

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me, but live crabs sound pretty good. And

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<v Speaker 2>it went something like that, and so what did you do?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I like a challenge, you know, so I uh,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm in the you know, I make videos. So

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, you know, what would be an awesome thing,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it went really well or really bad, is if

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to get like live crabs you guys on

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<v Speaker 4>the airplane and not like check them, like carry them

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<v Speaker 4>on the airplane with me, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if you can do that. They won't let

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<v Speaker 4>you bring a bottle of shampoo. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>then it be funny either way, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, did you go ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>Keep going?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was doing this stuff before I even started

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<v Speaker 4>social media. I'm the kind of guy will go the

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<v Speaker 4>extra mile for a laugh for me or somebody else.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, I just thought it would be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, an interesting thing to try anyway, So I, uh, yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I got like a Duffel bag and I built a

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<v Speaker 4>cooler inside the Duffel bag, put the crabs in there,

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<v Speaker 4>and then carried them on the airplane. So I have

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<v Speaker 4>some pictures of me and my crabs on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Crabs through the scanner. Did no one just say like, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>can you open that up for me?

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<v Speaker 4>Surprisingly no, I put them through the you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>X ray machine.

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<v Speaker 1>But they'll they'll stop a pair of fingernail clippers.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly exactly, but they I seen it go through

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<v Speaker 4>and then it stopped. In my heart, I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh no, and then it went back and then it

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<v Speaker 4>went through, and I seen the lady like pull the

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<v Speaker 4>screen a little closer to her face, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>like four thirty in the morning. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, there's either chance they're gonna be really

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<v Speaker 4>grumpy and they're gonna give you a hard time, or

0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.720
<v Speaker 4>they're gonna be like it's too early for this. It

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<v Speaker 4>was just mariling things like whatever, just like and then

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<v Speaker 4>it went the third time and it went through. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, we're good, and so I got them

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<v Speaker 4>behind security and then the only issues I did have

0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.880
<v Speaker 4>was trying to carry them on the actual airplane. They

0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.920
<v Speaker 4>were gonna try to make me check them there for.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a size that was a size issue.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't even know what was.

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<v Speaker 2>In it, you know what I mean, Like they told them, hey,

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that bag's too big, and then what Yeah, so she

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<v Speaker 2>gave me a hard time.

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<v Speaker 4>She gave me real hard time. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I can't check it, you know, I can't.

0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.800
<v Speaker 4>You can't, just like it's got to stay upright, and

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<v Speaker 4>and she's like why. I was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's like it's full of seafoods. She's like okay. I

0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 4>was like, like live seafoods.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you turn turned seafood over, it pours

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<v Speaker 2>out that's right right.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't want to be you know,

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<v Speaker 4>carrying this. That was my first leg of the journey.

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't want to have be carried.

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<v Speaker 4>That was in Baltimore, actually that I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>having the having the hard time getting on the airplane.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, after some heated discussion, uh and some

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<v Speaker 4>other things, I finally did get it on the airplane

0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.360
<v Speaker 4>with me and into the overhead compartment. They made them

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<v Speaker 4>here and only two crabs died. I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>You think, I think we had about three dozen dozen.

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<v Speaker 4>I was expecting for to, you know, hope. I was

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<v Speaker 4>hoping to get about, you know, at least fifty percent

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.560
<v Speaker 4>here alive and well. But I tell you what, man

0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.880
<v Speaker 4>complimentary drinks. You know, on the plane, the crabs were good,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, give them some snacks. They were just fine.

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:41.679
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah they do, yeah they do. Level window seat.

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<v Speaker 4>I do have a picture of me and my crab

0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.760
<v Speaker 4>seeing the world together. These crabs have seen things other

0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:52.960
<v Speaker 4>crabs could never drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Did do you have somebody sitting by you when you

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<v Speaker 1>pulled that one out?

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<v Speaker 4>I did, and it was it was awkward. It was

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<v Speaker 4>like but the guy kind of just like.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's multiple kind of interactions that you have with someone

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that sister be on a plane. Yeah, there's like the

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<v Speaker 2>no look, you know, there's like multiple options. There's the

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<v Speaker 2>no look, no look, no talk. It's just like imaginary

0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.920
<v Speaker 2>wall ignorance is bliss, like, let's not do this, We're

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<v Speaker 2>just and then and then there's the kind of the

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.240
<v Speaker 2>southern like nice guy, like anybody you set with you

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.400
<v Speaker 2>need to greet them, and and where were you at

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 2>on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know in Baltimore. That's not really it's more

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>The Baltimore stank guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm upset that you have to be even on

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:50.000
<v Speaker 4>the same airplane, even if you cure cancer, like that

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of metality.

0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>So you didn't talk to this person. No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say anything.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of just best to uh, you know, I

0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:57.919
<v Speaker 4>just kind of went about my business and well, you

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 4>know what, I'm some there's there's days were you're that guy,

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, and these are becoming more and more frequent

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 4>with my life, oddly enough. But I was just that guy,

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 4>that guy that had a crab.

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So you pulled a crab out the guy beside you

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged it.

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 4>He kind of just I think that he's he saw it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he looked and he was just kind of

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.560
<v Speaker 4>like I he kind of acknowledged that he saw it,

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.720
<v Speaker 4>because I saw his demeanor change and then he just

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of like looked back forward and closed his eyes.

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I wonder, it's like it's so early

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.560
<v Speaker 4>in the morning. Maybe this guy thinks like, there's no

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 4>way I just saw this crab on. Yeah, And then

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 4>I wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>If he thought it was like cooked seafood and he

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 1>was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, or like a guy beside me he's cracking crabs, right.

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 4>See. That would have been funny to bring crab, you know,

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:50.679
<v Speaker 4>cook crabs and ate him on you eat him on

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.600
<v Speaker 4>the airplane on the way home. That would have well.

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.920
<v Speaker 2>So when he got him here, Josh, we did a

0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:56.879
<v Speaker 2>big crab boil.

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<v Speaker 1>We had steam.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh some hate mail in Maryland. The most tragic thing

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>about the whole scene, though, is that Clay made his

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.400
<v Speaker 2>famous regionally famous coast law.

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, can you confirm to them that it's regionally famous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got saliv every ca It's going to show up

0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 3>every wedding on the newcom.

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<v Speaker 2>Farments even hand chopped the cabbage after Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>long story. I put it in the refrigerator to chill. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you do that with Josh, don't give me a.

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<v Speaker 6>Chilling.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we then we go steam our crab and

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<v Speaker 2>we have this huge meal and we leave the coast

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<v Speaker 2>law in.

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<v Speaker 1>The fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of Clay's famous coast law on the render before

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<v Speaker 2>we end today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding, that's a joke, but he got excited. So

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<v Speaker 1>we started. Tell us how you get how steam crab?

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<v Speaker 4>We just put him in a you know, in a

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<v Speaker 4>pot probably like like a canning pot or something. Yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>we use what we got, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>and put some water and vinegar in the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's the vinegar do?

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<v Speaker 4>The vinegar actually makes them easier to pick, so it

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<v Speaker 4>keeps the meat from sticking to the shell so bad.

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<v Speaker 6>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So like if you use like I've heard of

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 4>guys using like sea water, not chesbeake bay water, but

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 4>like seawater to steam seafood and stuff. We're putting seasoning

0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 4>with salt in it in the water and that seems

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<v Speaker 4>like a great concept, but it makes the meat stick

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<v Speaker 4>to the shell work, So if you put a little

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.440
<v Speaker 4>white vinegar in there, maybe like one third part white vinegar,

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, it'll it'll just water.

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<v Speaker 6>And how they figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say something.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, give me that diesel. Yeah yeah, how about some

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<v Speaker 6>w forty No, it didn't work either. What we got

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<v Speaker 6>left here's some white vinegar.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the same guy that figured out you could

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<v Speaker 4>eat a crab.

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<v Speaker 2>And who was the guy that decided that it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>stick to the shell?

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<v Speaker 1>Bad?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean probably the guy selling vinegar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because the stuff we cooked in vinegar, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say the meat stuck.

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<v Speaker 6>To the shell last night. I mean when we ate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of what happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it does a little bit. But I'm telling you

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 4>it can be like there's a lot of times where

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<v Speaker 4>you're trying to get it and it's like it's like

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 4>the meat stuck to itself. That's like stuck to the

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to describe, but I gave you too. You

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<v Speaker 4>could probably pick I don't know, we may have to drive.

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<v Speaker 2>These are blue crabs, and ironically these actually probably came

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<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Maryland blue crab season is closed right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, so you you but they shipped them live from

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana to Maryland, and then you brought them from Maryland

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<v Speaker 2>to Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 4>Well traveled.

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<v Speaker 1>These are blue crabs.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the scientific name of them calling next is sapitus.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the males are how big males?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the i'll get up to I mean I've

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<v Speaker 4>caught like the biggest one I've caught probably is like

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<v Speaker 4>nine inches point to point across the carapas, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a giant I mean, that's a massive crab. Usually when

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 4>they get that mount I didn't, but I have seen

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 4>mounted crabs, but I don't have amount of crab that

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<v Speaker 4>would be pretty cool though I sold it, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh yeah, So you know, they get that big

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<v Speaker 4>and usually the thing that gets them is either a

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<v Speaker 4>waterman or they you know, they die a shell rot.

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 4>They get so big they can't shit. They don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the energy shed their show anymore, like males will in

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 4>theory just keep growing and growing and growing. Oh really,

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 4>females once they shed from an immature female to a

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<v Speaker 4>mature female, they never That crab never sheds again.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, I'm surprised that in.

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<v Speaker 2>Like water folklore, there's not a giant crab somewhere like.

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<v Speaker 1>A whale or a squid. Six foot crab, well, I

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>mean no, like a twenty foot crab. Oh like there

0:25:59.080 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 1>could be.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the thing is, you know, I use crab

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<v Speaker 4>pots instead of like an alternative method to catching crabs

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and Maryland be like a trout line where the crab

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<v Speaker 4>is just holding onto a piece of bait and then

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 4>you're driving a boat along the line and you put

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<v Speaker 4>like you have a hook over the side. You put

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<v Speaker 4>the line over the hook and you're just driving along

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 4>it and the crabs will hold onto the bait till

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 4>you get to the surface and then you dip them

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<v Speaker 4>off the line with a net.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So in a crab pot you can only catch a

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 4>crab that will fit through them, so they catch some

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<v Speaker 4>real giants. You know. Trout lining because it's anything that

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 4>can hold, you just don't catch as many. Well, there's

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 4>just different areas you can go. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean when you're doing on a really large scale like

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 4>what I'm doing, you know, you're fishing up to fourteen

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 4>hundred crab pots when I'm have two license. Sometimes, you know,

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 4>crab potton is kind of the way that you would go,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to do it on a really big scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, so Luke.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was a boy, I grew up on the Gulf,

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<v Speaker 3>we used to go crabbing.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>We had my uncle had two crab pots and then

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<v Speaker 3>we just take the lines where we put the meat

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 3>through and we'd pitch them out there and we'd catch

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 3>blue blue crabs there near to Alveston.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just to.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all over the East Coast the so blue crabs

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<v Speaker 2>are Are they all over the world or just.

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean America.

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<v Speaker 4>I know they have them in South America and Central America.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Same same species, I believe.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've never been there to witness it, but I

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 4>do think they do. I hear they don't get as big.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 4>But you know with East Coast going through, there's a

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 4>lot of ecological change kind of going on in the northeast,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, of the East Coast. So, I mean they're

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<v Speaker 4>even finding blue crabs in Maine, you know, I know,

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 4>guys that lobster and that.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't sound like I figured they were already there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not, No, they're not, but they're starting to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a southern Chesapeake Bay is the northern range of

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<v Speaker 2>the blue.

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<v Speaker 4>Crab historically, as you know, yeah, like Chesapea Bay, Delaware Bay.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I know they have some in New York

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<v Speaker 4>and all, but it was kind of like from what

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<v Speaker 4>I understand, you know, that was kind of as far north,

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.439
<v Speaker 4>like you know, there's not a fishery for them in

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 4>New York. Well there, I think maybe there.

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Is just a little caveat if if the Arkansas Game

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and Fish finds some blue crab in the Arkansas River,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Have anything to do with us, right right, So yeah,

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 4>like I guess there is a fishery for blue crabs

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 4>in New York. I don't know a ton about it,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 4>but you know, that was kind of like as far

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 4>north really find them.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>But so when you eat these things, there was you

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>said something when we started, you said, blue crabs are

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the only thing you could starve while eating. Yeah, it's

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>a surprising, surprisingly small amount of meat on a pretty

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>big looking crab.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you have said that, Joha?

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>But but once you get into it, you realize it's

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the it's the it's the social aspect, and the meat

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>is very very good and you have to work for it.

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Generally you supplement the crab with coleslaw.

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so just quickly tell me how you'd break down

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>crab like to eat it.

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>So if you just had to describe it to somebody

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>in like a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, break the claws off, you get into the claws,

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 4>eat that pretty pain free. Then pick the apron off

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 4>the bat, flip it over.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like the hood.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, uh yeah.

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 3>The bonnet is the bonnet something that's just reproductive.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>One of my don't let this this might indicate my

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>socioeconomic status, but one of my biggest interactions with seafoods

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>has been Captain D's and that Captain D's when you

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 2>get when you get the seafood platter, it actually has

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>a real crab shell stuffed with like you know, crabs

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>and crabs.

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 4>It's probably a real crab shell stuffed with like imitation crab.

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if that was a blue crab.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Possibly it was.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>About it's about the size of it as big as

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>a mango.

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, probably a blue crab something like that from our

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 5>mango tree in the yard.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry on, Okay, so you take you take the the

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 2>top big part of the shell off.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Yep, yeah, you'll pull you'll pull the uh, you know,

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 4>the carapace off, and then you'll be left with the body.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 4>You'll see the lungs and then kind of like the

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 4>guts in the center. You pull the guts out, looks

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 4>like ramen noodles. You know, you don't want to eat

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 4>the forbidden ramen noodles can, but I don't suggest it necessarily.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 4>And then they have lungs on either side.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>You'll pull that like gills, like fish gills, gills.

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 4>There's some kind of thing about it because they live. Yeah,

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 4>they look like gills. Pull them off. You don't really

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 4>want to eat them. And then I take the body,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 4>break it in two pieces. You know, it'll split into

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 4>two even pieces, and then uh, you know, I usually

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 4>flip it over and you'll be able to see the

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 4>lines down the you know, the underside of the crab.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 4>I'll kind of take my two thumbs and break them

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 4>along those lines, and then you can kind of crack

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 4>the top and then pull the meat out of all

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 4>the little compartments. You know. I like to keep it

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 4>still attached to the legs. It just gives you, you know,

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 4>for dipping and whatever else. There's a lot of times

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 4>we'll dip it.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>But now that you're describing it and I've done it,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>now it helps me to think about it like this.

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.479
<v Speaker 2>The muscles. There are muscles attached to things that have

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to move. Yeah, and there's a muscle attached to every leg.

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's a it has eight legs, right, yeah, eight

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>legs and two pinchers something or maybe six. I don't

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>think it's eight legs, six legs, six legs.

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>It's got a lot.

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 4>I think he's got three legs, a swim fin, and

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 4>a pincher on each side, I believe.

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's four appendages. You ain't no craber, Yeah,

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I ain't no crab. But like every leg has a

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>little tuft of meat, like a tiny little bit of meat,

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and so you're basically cracking off that leg and pulling

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>it out so that meat kind of comes out with it,

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and then you have this little little crab whole hand,

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, handle of the leg, and then you dip

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>that in some mouth of butter, touch it into a

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>little little bit of a little seasoning that you have,

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you eat it. And so you do that

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 2>with all the legs, and then you've cracked the claws,

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>which not all of them had claws.

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well sometimes a lot of times the claws fall

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 4>off when you're steaming them, and all you know, they're

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 4>in there fighting, you know whatever. They don't go out

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 4>without a fight. You know, like in a restaurant when

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 4>you get crabs, a lot of times.

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>They like, can you turn up the heat of freezing? Right?

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 4>In a restaurant, they would either shock the crabs, electrocute them,

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 4>or ice them. You really like flash ice them. Usually

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 4>they electrocute them. Wow, right right, the merchant of crustacean death.

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 4>But that's so that so when they see them, so

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 4>they don't fight in the pot animal ethics, well, I

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 4>mean maybe I don't know what I mean. I know

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 4>in the industry it's like so that because you know,

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 4>if you're if you're serving crabs at a restaurant, people

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 4>will complain sometimes they don't have all the claws even

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 4>if they're like there, they want a crab with all

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 4>the tendency.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you you say, I'm on, you shock them.

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like a gladiator fight when you throw

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>them all on that pot and the lid on.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, we put the lid on and we had

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>some potatoes and corn on the top, and uh, I

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 4>think missus you said something about like it's moving.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 6>There was.

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 4>The lid starts kind of moving a little bit. I

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 4>was like, yeah, it's it's just just we'll check.

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 3>In on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what I learned is that it's like extremely like

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Luke said, it's a it's a full full contact sport.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, we had crabs everywhere. It's like you

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>have a huge pileist stuff. But at first, when I

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 2>was watching him do it, I was like, holy cow,

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be wild because he was like, don't

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>eat this, don't eat the lungs. There's there's what he

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 2>called the mustard in him, which is the fat which

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>just looks like this like pasty yell. I mean, it'd

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>be like you'd think, don't eat that, but it kind

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>of gets on everything and it's actually really good. So

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing that I put in my mouth from

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that crab it didn't taste incredible. So I kind of

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 2>got it. I was like, Oh, you don't have to

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 2>be afraid of anything. You just like go to town

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was a it was great.

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 4>Full contact sport eating crabs for sure.

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, like eat like a big crawfish ball on steroids.

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<v Speaker 1>YEA, yeah, I can see. I can see how if

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>you really do what you were doing.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you just if you try not to make

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 5>a messrab how I'm outside or in the bathtub, because

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 5>that's you're gonna get it everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Luke, what's your record of eating crabs? How many crabs

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 3>have you eaten?

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, in one sitting at the I

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 4>don't know. I mean usually by the time i've you know,

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 4>if I really get it, you know, the tunnel vision

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 4>on eating the crabs, it's kind of like everything else

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 4>just kind of you know, so it's kind of like

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 4>you just kind of wake up in the zone covered

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 4>in old bay or ko seasoning.

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And I can't remember what happened.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 4>In Arkansas.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember bringing these on the plane.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, if I'm going to do a crab boil for

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>family and friends, how many how many that's I'm sorry,

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 3>crab steam.

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 4>You don't do any crab family and friends.

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 3>How many crabs do I need to factor in per person?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you could count on, like, you know, if

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 4>you're if if you're if your friends are from Maryland,

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 4>I would count on ten crabs man per person. Per person.

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, depending on the size. The size of the

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 4>crab makes all the difference. Of course, we didn't have

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 4>any giant extra jumbos because I was trying to can

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 4>only bring so many on the plane. I was trying

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.359
<v Speaker 4>to get a little more in case some died.

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 5>I sent a picture of that to Michael Rose when

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 5>they were all let out on the table, you know,

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 5>his wife from Maryland, and she said, what's everybody else

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 5>going to eat?

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I would say if I'm eating like large crabs,

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 4>which are like my largest are six to six and

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 4>a half inches across the top, you know, I could

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 4>count on eating between ten and twelve myself. But I'm

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 4>a I'm a very efficient crab eater. You know, I don't.

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 4>I actually don't eat crabs that often. You know what

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean. It's that's like Biggie Small's breaking his eighth

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 4>crack commandment. Man, you can't get high on your own supply.

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what I meant it.

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 3>That reference will play with a lot of bear grease.

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 6>All right, that's good. It was so good.

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say four crabs.

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>After four crabs, I was like, can I just pay corbage?

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, true story.

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<v Speaker 6>I ain't no crabber.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 3>It was like, can you imagine steaming a deer hole

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 3>a deer, live deer eating with yours jumping out on

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 3>the table, don't give Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Great idea.

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 5>We'll be doing that next man.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I hate to change the topic from crabbing, but we

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>got some serious conversation to have here about a podcast

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>that I've been working on and excited about for probably

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>over a year.

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Like the sequence of the way these things happen when

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>A series is you It's not always a year, but

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>usually I'm reading a book or doing something that's connected

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 2>to something that i'll will materialize much later. I think

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>last summer, maybe last spring, I started reading Roderick Nash's book.

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Wilderness in the American mind. That book, this book was written.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Let me see what the copyright date is.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna blow your mind. This book first edition published

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh wow.

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 2>This book is considered the quote unquote book of genesis of.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Let's see I'm looking for.

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.720
<v Speaker 2>This book is a mandatory prelude to any modern treatment

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of conservation problems. Here's another one when Roderck Gash, when

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Roderick Nash's Wilderness in the American Mind first appeared in

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty seven. It was justly praised as the first

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>real idea book and environmental history. Indeed, a classic study

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.399
<v Speaker 2>and greatly influenced. And that's not what I'm looking for.

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>This is the book of genesis of American wilderness. This guy,

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 2>this guy was a was a like getting his PhD

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty seven, wrote this book. When I read

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>this book, I cannot fathom what a human would have

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to go through to gather the information he did and

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>cover it in such an incredible way. This is a

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 2>top five book for me in the world. Oh wow, Yeah,

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 2>like massively influential because it unveiled for me things that

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>were happening inside of me that I didn't know why.

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 2>And that's something I'm very interested in all areas of life.

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I popped out of the womb.

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy nine in Arkansas, and I have this

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>view of the world, these ideas about different things. How

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>much of that did I come up with on my own?

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 2>How much of it I came up because of my

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>individual family. How much did I come up with it

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:35.399
<v Speaker 2>because of the culture that I'm raised in. How much

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 2>did I come of it, come up with it because

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I am an American, Like where does this stuff come from?

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 2>And to me, that's all real important because you will

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>live a life of deception if you think, I mean

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>this whole idea of being like a freethinker and like

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>we're these independent people that just came up with all

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 2>this stuff on our own.

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 1>And nobody tells me what to do.

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm it's like, dude, you're a product of your culture

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 2>because your culture valued that. Your culture valued you saying

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 2>that you're the only one who ever thought of this,

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and you're this autonomous man, and I love that. But

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying is that came from somewhere. This whole

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>idea of like rugged individualism of the American is.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 5>You're influenced by everything is an influence, either positive or negative.

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, and and a whole lot of the way that

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>we think.

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>That unless you're ste.

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're gonna get to that.

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I I when when Rodert Nash started talking about wilderness,

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, yeah, And I had no idea

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about all this deep history about Oh.

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean this was way different than like the Donnie

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Baker story.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like radically like if an alien came down

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and analyzed this podcast, they.

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Would be like two different people must.

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Have made that for for for because it's like very different,

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 2>which I like. I like that it went from this

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>very perersonal, very personal story to something I don't view

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it as academic, but it is philosophical, and philosophy not

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>being to me, philosophy is really functional because to have

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>an understanding of who you are, you have to kind

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 2>of know why. And I've always loved the idea of

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 2>wilderness but also wilderness with the capitol W.

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 1>But so this.

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Book just specs it out and so much I got

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to give Roderick Nash credit. So much of what I

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 2>talked about in this first episode came came from this book.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>And I tried to get Roderick Nash, who's still alive,

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>he's in his eighties. Tried to get him on this

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>year podcast and he wouldn't. He wouldn't do it.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not afraid to say that because it's just

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the truth.

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 6>But good.

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of respect for what he wrote.

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:59.320
<v Speaker 2>But but holy smokes, did I have a cast of

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 2>characters though? Uh, Doctor Dan Flores, incredible guy. Uh just

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 2>came up with a new book called Wild New World.

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 2>He wrote kyot America. He wrote American Serengetti, which if

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you haven't read American Serengetti, you ain't no crabber.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 4>And there's not pictures, and I ain't read it most

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 4>crabbers probably.

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 2>American Serengetti is basically about the plis to Scene North America.

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Just it's it's it. It's just mind boggling Britos. We're

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna I had Koby Morehead came over here the other

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 2>day and told me how to make that battery pack

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>stop beeping, and I forgot what he said, so every

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 2>time it beats.

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>In this podcast, we're giving one of the listeners that

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Coonskin had not true.

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>American Serengetti talks about Plice to Scene North America and

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>basically that we had more charismatic megafauna than even Africa.

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>What we looked at.

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, we had we had the bison, We had

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>like multiple giant cats. We had horses, we had ground

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>two thousand pound giant groundsloth. We had cave bears, we

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 2>had dire wolves. I mean, it was it was like

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a it was like Jurassic Park here. Anyway, Dan Floores

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book on that.

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 1>He's number one.

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Number two is doctor Sarah Dant. It's it's Dan's wife.

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a I think the world knows that what.

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Their dinner table conversation has probably got a.

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Little they're like the most interesting people time.

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 2>So she she's a professor at Weaber University in Utah,

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and she wrote this book called Losing Eden, which is

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>an environmental history of the West. It is like so

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>so much packed with deep human history on the landscape

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>of North America. Kind of mind blowing book too, And

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>so she's on there. And then Steve Ardella, who I'm

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>interested to see what y'all's take on the Steve Ardelli

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>section was. Steve's always great to have on He's He's

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>yeah great. And then one of my favorites, Hal Harry,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:17.879
<v Speaker 2>who Hal Harry and is a character. If you don't

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>know how then you ain't no crabber. But Hal Harry

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>and great guy.

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Where to start?

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't you know you said that the

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 4>last the Donnie Baker This really aren't related, but I

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 4>mean it kind of is, though. I mean, you can't

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 4>tell me even though Donnie Bakery what he did, I mean,

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.800
<v Speaker 4>he I guarante you know, he shared all the same

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 4>interests in the wild and the that we do, you know,

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 4>and that everybody else did. So really it's kind of

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 4>almost the origin story of the whole thing. You know.

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 4>It's like, yeah, starting you just had the Franks before

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:52.919
<v Speaker 4>the beans little bit, you know what I'm saying.

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, I don't think it's very.

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.800
<v Speaker 4>It's not that unrelated. It's like, you know, his desire

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 4>to be out in the wilderness and take to ear

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 4>and do whatever else, even though it went a little

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 4>sideways there for a minute. Yeah, you know, probably ideas.

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>So he he was.

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Going to an area that had unmolested animals that were

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 2>easy to hunt.

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly me.

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.359
<v Speaker 2>That was the most interesting thing. One of the most

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>interesting things in the podcast is.

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 1>That this what we now view as a love.

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Of wilderness, and that's like federally preserving wilderness areas goes

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 2>back deep into our epigenetics, as Dan Flora has said,

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:37.439
<v Speaker 2>when we loved places that were absent of humans because

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 2>we could go there and be successful hunting because the

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>animals were undisturbed.

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's like wildly fascinating.

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I feel like this podcast made me more contemplative about

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.919
<v Speaker 3>it than I've ever been because I think I think

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 3>when you say the word wilderness, it does evoke an

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 3>emotional response to a lot of people. And I thought,

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 3>I thought, what is what is wilderness really? You know,

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 3>beyond the definition? What does it mean to me? Because

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, we've we've traveled a lot with our kids

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:09.240
<v Speaker 3>to national parks and whatnot, and you know, you see

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 3>the capital W wilderness and you kind of go out

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 3>there and you see the paved parking lot and you

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.280
<v Speaker 3>see all the trails, and you know the signs that say.

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>That wouldn't be Capital W wilderness, that would be a

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>national park.

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Well national park, but we have seen wilderness areas and

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 3>it just you're like, that doesn't it is? I mean

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:25.359
<v Speaker 3>if you can.

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Drive it, yeah, so well you're talking about national parks.

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, But but the the idea of wilderness is

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:41.280
<v Speaker 3>to me is captivating with a side of terrifying, because

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I thought.

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>You were going to say captivating with a capital C.

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 3>No, captivating like like I'm I'm I'm I am just

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 3>bewildered by it and I'm drawn to it. But at

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 3>the same time, there is that that aspect of of

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 3>like it's it's wild. I mean it is like it's

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 3>it's unpredictable. And uh, going back to what I talked

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 3>about this before. If we're going to talk about wilderness,

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 3>you can't talk about it without the movie The Wilderness Family.

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 3>And but you know, I think about that, that idea

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.919
<v Speaker 3>of being dropped off in the middle of nowhere and

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 3>being forced to make something of it, and uh, there

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.720
<v Speaker 3>there there are certain things like we talked about about

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 3>unmolested animals, but also at the same time, there is

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 3>a raw wildness about it. I thought that. I thought

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 3>the etymology of your your word there was fascinating.

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I got chills listening to that yesterday in the truck

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>coming coming home from squirrel hunting.

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>So a stringer squirrels in the back truck.

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 6>I love it.

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 3>But I'm excited about I'm excited about hearing more about

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 3>it because it is it is a it is a

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 3>thing that is unique. I'd never thought about wilderness being

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 3>something that when you lose it, you don't get it back, right,

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not. It's hard to wrap your mind around let

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 3>it come back. Yeah, it's it's done. So we have

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 3>we have a potentially extinctible resource that really does need

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 3>to be cared for, and so I appreciate the deep dive.

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's important to understand like this broader

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 2>scale of humanity, humans as a species coming out of

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 2>being hunter gatherers, moving towards civilization, which civilization would be

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>defined by agriculture and domestic animals and congregation of people

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.839
<v Speaker 2>which would have increased birth rates, produced a lot of

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 2>more security. As people were coming out of wilderness into

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that there was there was this this very long standing

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>human idea that wilderness was bad, even though we were

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>drawn to it as hunter gatherers to go into places

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 2>that were unexploited. When all of a sudden there was

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a new option, we were very interested in becoming. And again,

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>civilized is a politically incorrect term that I'm going to

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 2>use because we just have to to understand what we're

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 2>talking about, you know, because when you say civilized, it

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>insinuates that there are humans that live uncivilized lives, and

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>so that's politically incorrect, but you understand what I'm saying. So,

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 2>when all of a sudden the security of civilization was here,

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 2>there was like, let's say, ninety nine percent of people

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 2>were very interested in getting to that so that they

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't die when they were eighteen years old from starvation

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>or from a wooly man.

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>With tusk in the butt.

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:53.879
<v Speaker 4>You know, you'll have that.

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Took it right in.

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 2>The tables shifted as civilization then became dominated the face

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:08.399
<v Speaker 2>of the earth, and then all of a sudden, there's

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 2>this artifact where we woke up in the eighteen hundred's,

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the Romantic era, and all of a sudden it became

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 2>cool to love wilderness. So I mean, it's like this,

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>like this sloshing from one side to the other. Wilderness

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 2>is our enemy. We have to get to civilization. And

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>then it became civilization is the enemy. That's what Threau

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and Emerson and mirror, and we have to get back

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:37.839
<v Speaker 2>to wilderness. And then today we live in a world

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that's so lopsided in civilization.

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:42.879
<v Speaker 1>There's those of us who.

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Are scrapping and wanting to interact with and go to

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:51.720
<v Speaker 2>a place that's so such an anomaly across the face

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 2>of the earth, where we could go and experience a

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 2>place that people don't live.

0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>That is a way, you know, that's interesting.

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 5>You think about you think about I'm sorry, well, you

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 5>just think about the you talked about the romanticism of it,

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 5>and in our realm where we work here, the majority

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 5>of the products that we sell, that we offer for sale,

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 5>that we use, are all geared to make going into.

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:23.879
<v Speaker 6>The wilderness easier. Yeah, you know, I mean that's how

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 6>we make a living.

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 5>Boots and water and backpacks and being lighter weight and

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 5>being able to carry more stuff with you that you

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:35.399
<v Speaker 5>need to survive at a time out there. When back

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 5>in those days it was hard, you know, you had to.

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:42.359
<v Speaker 5>It was just a bigger struggle when and we're doing

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 5>it now not for survival, but for pleasure, for fun,

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 5>to feel that need that we have that we wake

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 5>up that we long to get away from everything that's

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 5>around us, all these light bulbs and stuff. You know,

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 5>we all the time I'm here, we're working, we're hunting. Yesterday,

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm answering text messages and emails while I'm on the

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 5>back of that mule. And we get out there when

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 5>there's none of that. It's a whole different way to

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 5>look at a sunrise, or or the way to look

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 5>at riding down the road or walking down the road

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 5>when you're so far removed from it. I had the

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:25.279
<v Speaker 5>thought that in there where. He said that it's in

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 5>our nature to long for those places to go. And

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 5>I may be I'm obviously paraphrasing what he said, but

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 5>what I got out of what he was talking about

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 5>was it's in our DNA and our genetic code to

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 5>want to go to the wild place. My wife thinks

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 5>if she's if we're in a town that doesn't have

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 5>a target, that's about as wilderness as he gets.

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>That's a wilderness there.

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:50.319
<v Speaker 6>She don't want any part of that.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 5>She wants to go to the opposite direction, so, you know,

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 5>but she wouldn't like to go to in the middle

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:00.439
<v Speaker 5>of living, in the middle of Baltimore, or even even

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 5>in the middle of Little Rock that shit, that's too congestion.

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 5>She wants somewhere in the happy medium that still got

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 5>the security that you can go here and here and

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 5>there with very little trouble. Me, on the other hand,

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 5>give me a color lamp and a pocket full of

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 5>shelves and a shotgun and I'm gonna be fine just

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 5>where I could get away from people.

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 6>So there, at some point, you know, it was a pendulum.

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 5>At some point, some folks still still followed that, yeah,

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:35.239
<v Speaker 5>that that want or that need to do something, and

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 5>some folks didn't. I mean, they stopped at the edge.

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 5>You know, this is far enough, but there's still others

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 5>that want to go further out. And it had to

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 5>be that way, or this country wouldn't have wouldn't be

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 5>where it is now. Yeah, you know, with exploration, that

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.440
<v Speaker 5>was just something that I thought about.

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Luke, what do you think, you know, I just kind

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 4>of had a thought about kind of the irity of

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 4>like you were talking about, you know, human's desire to preserve,

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:06.239
<v Speaker 4>recognize and preserve wilderness and wild places. And it's kind

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.239
<v Speaker 4>of the same theme here is where everything is going

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 4>so full circle, where like, in an effort to do that,

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 4>we have places like Yellowstone, which I to me is

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 4>the least wild wilderness that you could experience, you know

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, right right exactly, Like so it's sort

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 4>of like it It's just I think it's just one

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.920
<v Speaker 4>of the common denominators of human nature, you know what

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the same thing that drives people like us

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 4>to go experience places where there is no one else

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.799
<v Speaker 4>the same you know. That's that's what the people that

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:42.320
<v Speaker 4>discovered new continents and you know, Americas and whatever else

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.479
<v Speaker 4>had in them you know what I mean. But there's

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 4>always you know, I think it's getting kind of bred

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:49.200
<v Speaker 4>out of us, you know what I mean. It used

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:50.840
<v Speaker 4>to be one in ten people. Now it's one in

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 4>a million people that want to go have that desire

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 4>to like go out and see that. But you know,

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:57.479
<v Speaker 4>I don't know my thought.

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You said something about scarcity earlier about how do you

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 2>remember you said scarcity is the humans always gravit towards cavitite,

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>towards what's scarce, and.

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 4>So I kind of just won't what you can't have.

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, nature is kind of like that.

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.279
<v Speaker 2>When we were forging a living out of the wilderness,

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 2>we wanted more security. Then now that we're forging a

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 2>living out of civilization, we want to reach back to

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:27.280
<v Speaker 2>something more wild.

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 4>It's it's just I think humans desire to to to

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 4>really just kind of want what is scarce and want

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.840
<v Speaker 4>what they kind of can't have. You know. It's like

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 4>it's one of the downfalls of man. You know, it's

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:40.919
<v Speaker 4>one of the things that sets us apart animal.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Which is in a sense the antithesis of wilderness, because

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 3>the only way to keep wilderness wilderness is a bunch of.

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 1>People out of it, you know what I mean.

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like, well, you have these people who

0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:57.319
<v Speaker 3>want it, but how many people being there makes it

0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:57.920
<v Speaker 3>not wilderness?

0:55:58.000 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 6>Right right?

0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 4>That's why I would saying, where is the line?

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Will you guys are totally rooting episode two? I wasn't

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 2>even going to bring it up.

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's there's a major philosophical problem with wilderness. Yeah,

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:17.360
<v Speaker 2>is that wilderness is a wilderness because nobody's.

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 4>There because you're not there exactly, So one as you

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 4>go there, then is it still wilderness? And Okay, even

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 4>though we have this natural desire just baked into us

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>to experience you just.

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:29.360
<v Speaker 6>Listened to episode.

0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's just now, let's go right to the next render.

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 2>No that that we get into that pretty extensively about

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.640
<v Speaker 2>these issues with wilderness. And there's another big issue that

0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna bring up just yet unless one of

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you all leaks it out on ACT.

0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:00.760
<v Speaker 4>I have this desire in me to do that drives

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:02.319
<v Speaker 4>me to do what I do for a living. You know,

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:05.280
<v Speaker 4>this is crab And it's like this kind of desire

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 4>to be where people aren't, you know, where there's like

0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 4>an an like an even playing field between you and

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:15.240
<v Speaker 4>nature in a way, you know what I mean, where

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 4>like you know your your rules and you know, kind

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 4>of man's societal boundaries don't apply to you know, like

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 4>like the crabs, fish the bay where I'm at. It

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 4>doesn't nothing, none of that matters, you know what I mean.

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 4>That is all off the table. It's between you and

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 4>you know and nature. You know what I mean. It's

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 4>a wild place and I'm drawn to it just for

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 4>no It's just it's in me, you know what I mean.

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 4>And so you know, I live in this in just

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 4>blow like Baltimore City. I mean, there's ton people are

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 4>nuts to butts there, you know, it's just we're jammed up.

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.600
<v Speaker 4>But I have this desire to get to the closest

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.959
<v Speaker 4>place I can and spend the most amount of time there,

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 4>even if it's a hundred times more work, you know,

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 4>just because I have this thing baked into me for

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 4>like this longing for wild things in wild places and lake.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think it just kind of it's different for everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>Of it because it's not a legacy thing with him,

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<v Speaker 5>right right, He's like a first gen generation crabber in

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 5>his family.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's something there somewhere. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and and your example is relevant to all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the idea of wilderness you can experience anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>like you and the Chesapeake Bay, which is not federal wilderness,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Capitol w which is not wilderness by many definitions,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're having that experience of like what hal Harry said,

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<v Speaker 2>He said, wilderness is a feeling where you enter into

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a place that's no longer governed by the laws of men.

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 2>You're governed by ancient laws and in it, boy, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's for real.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I ain't read that book, I promise, Well, but

0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 4>how Harry and said that on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that is another critique of wilderness, Josh, is that.

0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Dan Flora has talked about how we've sacralized.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, a lot of different groups have sacralized wilderness

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<v Speaker 2>to the point that you might get the idea that

0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:27.120
<v Speaker 2>that tree out in your yard is not nature too.

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Did you see what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you minimize, you minimize something that's wilderness. On my

0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 2>property right here, I could experience that feeling of wilderness.

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's kind of funny, right. I have a

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>small piece of.

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Land and when I go to particular parts of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the wildest part of the land that I have,

0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 2>which is not wilderness by any definition, but it feels

0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I have that feeling of this is this is a

0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 2>special place.

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<v Speaker 1>This is furthest from my I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, I feel I feel that way when I'm on

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<v Speaker 3>the river, like I'm in a spot where not everybody

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<v Speaker 3>can get to, you know, when I'm in my boat

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm you know, cruising down there, that I have

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<v Speaker 3>that feeling like of there is something wild and connects

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<v Speaker 3>me to nature inside of it. That's just mine in

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<v Speaker 3>the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I can experience, you know, I have been out

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<v Speaker 4>crabbing and I am experiencing, you know, that same thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a million dollar yacht going by me fifty feet away,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So We're in the same place,

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<v Speaker 4>doing the same thing. But I'm experiencing, you know, my

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<v Speaker 4>idea of wilderness and this guy's probably just drinking michelob

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<v Speaker 4>ultras at nine am, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's like you can it's just such a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a totally separate you know, the feeling I

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<v Speaker 4>guess of wilderness and then you know actual wilderness too.

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<v Speaker 4>I would guess probably two different podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, well, you may have tapped into episode three there.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't mean.

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<v Speaker 1>To now, No, No, I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that. I think that the the spiritualizing

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<v Speaker 3>of wilderness. Really it's true. You know, I think we've

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<v Speaker 3>all experienced it. If you've been somewhere remote and you've

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<v Speaker 3>seen a breathtaking mountain scape with a sunrise that just

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<v Speaker 3>blows your mind, how the creator could have made that

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<v Speaker 3>for you to see that morning. I think a big

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<v Speaker 3>aspect to it is the the removal of noise from

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<v Speaker 3>your mind, from your life, from your agenda that makes

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<v Speaker 3>that thing that much more intense and gives you that

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<v Speaker 3>that experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's what's unique about that is no people have

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<v Speaker 2>different words to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>That there's no humans that denied that that happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's you know, you use the term creator.

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<v Speaker 2>There would be people that would not use that term.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing that's for certain is that people, whether

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<v Speaker 2>they believe in a god or don't believe in a god,

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<v Speaker 2>have a spiritual And you know, people might have different

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<v Speaker 2>definitions of what a spiritual experience would be, but nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is arguing that when you stand on top of some

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful summit and see a sunrise, that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>sublime feeling like the Guy Burke he popularized that word.

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<v Speaker 2>The sublime is like the overlap of the natural and

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual. And that is what is not up for debate,

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<v Speaker 2>is that something happens that's bigger than just normal human stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I think that's incredible. Yeah, that we're not arguing

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<v Speaker 2>about this thing that happens. And it would make sense

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even biologically that it doesn't make sense that that

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<v Speaker 2>would happen unless we were coded to respond to these things,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think we are.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>They you know, they talked about people gravitating toward art

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<v Speaker 5>paintings and stuff that was in Yeah, that was the

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<v Speaker 5>trees were just limbs or whatever. We're just laden with

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<v Speaker 5>fruit that hadn't been picked.

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<v Speaker 2>Animals that were that were didn't look scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the guy go ahead, Well, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was just you're and I experience in Canada and in

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<v Speaker 5>Saskatchewan when when the bears were the famous bear that

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<v Speaker 5>poked his head in the in the blind on us

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<v Speaker 5>and all the bears that were walking around us, they

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<v Speaker 5>had no.

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<v Speaker 6>Fear of us.

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<v Speaker 5>They didn't they they were actually they were absolutely unmolested

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<v Speaker 5>and they had no knowledge that that was one of

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<v Speaker 5>my top experiences ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just weren't afraid of us.

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<v Speaker 6>They weren't afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the guy had on from I even

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember which bear grease it was, but

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<v Speaker 2>one of the bear greases where a guy told us

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<v Speaker 2>that people respond to landscape art with humans that are

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<v Speaker 2>that are in cover. Like so if you had if

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<v Speaker 2>you had a picture of a group of people like

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<v Speaker 2>out in the middle of a field, that you would

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<v Speaker 2>that that that you you would you would be more

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<v Speaker 2>drawn to a picture of people that were close to a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bluff because there's a vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's kind of the same thing, it's different,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Flores was talking about how we respond to unmolested

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<v Speaker 2>scenes of calm animals, fruit trees that hadn't been picked,

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<v Speaker 2>like stuff like that. But but there's there's like deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>there's stuff so coded into us that like we want

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<v Speaker 2>to be close to cover. Anyway, I just thought human

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<v Speaker 2>response to landscape art is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Photograph of a bison goring a National Park visitor.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I myself. You get what you pay for.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, then do you think the coating is just a

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<v Speaker 4>desire for food, water, and shelter. Well, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 4>if it's the same kind of response, it's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's there are things built inside

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<v Speaker 2>of us that help us survive. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that exclude that that comes at the exclusion of what

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<v Speaker 2>Josh said. I do believe that the beauty and intricacy

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<v Speaker 2>and architecture of the natural world what it does for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I speak for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>it does draw me to a creator like I. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the old thing about if you if you walked

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<v Speaker 2>out into a field and you found a watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Land and the field Josh, okay, you pick it up

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what time it was. You would know

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<v Speaker 1>what time it was, but you would go who put

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<v Speaker 1>this watch here?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Who made this watch?

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<v Speaker 6>Or a stone point?

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<v Speaker 2>And you walk out to nature and we see something

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<v Speaker 2>that's far more complex, far more designed, far more intricate,

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<v Speaker 2>far more intelligent than the making of a watch, and

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<v Speaker 2>we we say, well, should the question be who made this?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, that like a sunrise, evokes inside of

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<v Speaker 2>me a connection, a desire for a connection to my

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<v Speaker 2>creator that is not exclusive to it's also deeply biological

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<v Speaker 2>and epigenetics like my my biophilia.

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<v Speaker 6>EO.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson wrote a book called Biophilia, which means that we

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<v Speaker 2>have Phelia means like an obsession with We have an

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<v Speaker 2>obsession with life.

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<v Speaker 1>We're the only species.

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<v Speaker 2>On planet Earth that has an obsession with other animals

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<v Speaker 2>lives other than like a prey, like.

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<v Speaker 1>A predator and a prey or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But like we want to domesticate animals were interested and

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<v Speaker 2>that is been the biological thing that's made us so successful,

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<v Speaker 2>is this love of life, and it's like that's deeply

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<v Speaker 2>coated inside of us. I think that's also a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of what makes us human and has this consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is is that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>this spiritual thing happening and the natural thing at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 1>What we're we gonna say, Luke.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was just thinking this is maybe jumping ahead

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, but it was just episode four that was

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<v Speaker 4>the Ranella thing I was thinking about. So he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>what was it the North Slope of Alaska, the Boks

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<v Speaker 4>the most wild. Yeah, well, what if he's sitting there

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<v Speaker 4>glassing and he sees a goat with a collar on it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? Does that make it less

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<v Speaker 4>wild to him? Does that take away? Is it no

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<v Speaker 4>longer wild because that animal has been molested by man?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? Like, I mean, what what's

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<v Speaker 4>that scenario? Like, where's I guess I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>that goes into where the line is. I'd be curious

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<v Speaker 4>to say to I'd be curious to hear what he

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<v Speaker 4>has to say about something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>He's he's addressed that before. He said he would run

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<v Speaker 5>it for him, really because another human has already touched that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I kind of have the same I sort

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<v Speaker 4>of have the same kind of thought. I was just

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about it, like, you know, that's the most wild

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<v Speaker 4>place you can think. But what if that's what he

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<v Speaker 4>you know, saw there? Yeah, Like what would you have

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<v Speaker 4>to say about There's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of paradoxes inside it today because because of

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<v Speaker 2>the scarcety of wilderness, you know, the question is is

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<v Speaker 2>there really even wilderness left?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean on the coach man's you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 4>preserve wilderness, you know what I mean, that Steve makes

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<v Speaker 4>it less wild? It's just like.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are some places on Earth that are

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<v Speaker 3>untouched I mean there's some places where I think things

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<v Speaker 3>exist that we don't. I mean, definitely in the sea,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, we have we have places

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<v Speaker 3>where humans have never even seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Crabbers, only only crabbers.

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<v Speaker 6>But he said humans.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's some places in Africa that are that are

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<v Speaker 3>pretty that they don't think they're so adverse to.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you getting this information about Africa?

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading about It's been years since I read

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<v Speaker 3>about this, but there they think there are creatures in

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<v Speaker 3>there that humans haven't seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Right deep in the jungle. But on a landscape level,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Africa is like the place to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not arguing. Yeah, I see your point, but I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The bigger, the bigger unmolested landscapes in in the world

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<v Speaker 2>are in the in the closer to the north, the poles,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean antarticle.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, it's probably the would.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be more more abundant in places that are more harsh,

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<v Speaker 3>like harsh climates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because humans are wanting to live in places that

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<v Speaker 2>are favorable, comfortable, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why there's no wilderness in Kansas, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's all very profitable.

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<v Speaker 2>What we're going to talk about too, in in episode

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<v Speaker 2>two Here We Go, is that there's a thing called

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<v Speaker 2>the rock and ice wildernesses. The wildernesses that we have

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<v Speaker 2>today are preservation of places that were unusable, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's the reason we don't have very many prairie wildernesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine having a section of prairie in Kansas that Britos

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<v Speaker 2>are ready giving away our second coonskin cap. Imagine having

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<v Speaker 2>a four million acre wilderness.

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<v Speaker 6>And what do you think?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you say the word wilderness and I immediately

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<v Speaker 5>think of mountain, mountain trees.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have been marketed to your whole life. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's what wilderness is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you just the afropet kind of a funny

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<v Speaker 4>thing is like if you were to ask a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people like the most wild thing you can think

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<v Speaker 4>of or wild place, like, so many people would probably

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<v Speaker 4>say something like Mount Everest.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, it's mountains there is just because of.

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<v Speaker 4>The people and you know whatever else it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just lines of people. Yeah. No, And it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're building a case that.

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<v Speaker 2>Not not not that it's better or worse, but that

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<v Speaker 2>the American worldview on wilderness is different than the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. And I think by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this that we're going to quantify that to a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>heavy degree.

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<v Speaker 3>You're trying to tell me that Canadians don't care about wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what That's what Steve Nill was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us. No, and his his point.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I left that in there, honestly just because it

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<v Speaker 2>was entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was having this conversation with.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, I was like, this is working out like I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would, and then uh, but I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it was valuable because I want to include it because.

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<v Speaker 1>He's right, like, we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want this to be like, Wow, look how

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<v Speaker 2>great Americans are. We're superior to the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>world because we've preserved wilderness. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>America was the food America pioneered for I.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe this to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't say this with arrogance, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>international listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get your feelings hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>America pioneered modern ideas on conservation wilderness for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the world to follow. I mean, we were the

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<v Speaker 2>first place that had designated wilderness areas. We're the first

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<v Speaker 2>place that had public lands that were open for people

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<v Speaker 2>to hunt, trap fish, recreate like nobody else was doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>We also have the in America, we had the luxury

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<v Speaker 4>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yes, you know what I mean, Yes, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just from the merit of our own soul.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just know from from dealing with all

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<v Speaker 4>the things that you know, I'm kind of dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>the with the bay right now. It's like when I

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<v Speaker 4>really think about it and you think, you know the

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<v Speaker 4>whole you know, we're dealing with issues in the bay,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know they're dealing with issues a thousand times

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<v Speaker 4>worse all over the world. And you're like, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to stop the pollution or this or that, like

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<v Speaker 4>you got to fix it in China, and well, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>being able to have the luxury of caring about the

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<v Speaker 4>wilderness and the animals that live there is a very

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's a privilege, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a First world product of economic Yeah, economic.

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<v Speaker 1>Having it, having economics, having money, prosperity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because in a lot of the world, luxury in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the world, they they've exploited massive amounts

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<v Speaker 2>of what they have just because they could, and and

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not exempt either. Part of America's success on

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<v Speaker 2>preservation of wilderness was simply that we had.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge continent, you know, uh, filled.

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<v Speaker 4>With resource, yes, and they use the resource there to

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<v Speaker 4>like become kind of it's like we just barely you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, on a graph, just barely crossed

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<v Speaker 4>right before it was too late, exactly Like we came

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<v Speaker 4>here basically, you know, took from the land as much

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<v Speaker 4>as we could, but it put us in a position

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<v Speaker 4>where we were now we you know, we have the

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<v Speaker 4>luxury of caring about the land that we had left,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, saving this last little bit took nine percent

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<v Speaker 4>to get there. To be able to have that luxury.

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<v Speaker 4>In reality, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great, that's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we were able to take that we you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we had the privilege of taking that five percent and

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<v Speaker 4>preserving it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like I think America just barely saved it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, like a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was surprised to learn that five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of America is federal capital w wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>Five that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Where the where are the other like bulks of that

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<v Speaker 3>in different areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska, If you had listened to the podcast, you would

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<v Speaker 2>have heard that, uh oh, that they're eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>six I'm kidding, Josh, eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>And six federal wilderness.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The bulk of the the big chunks and volume are

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<v Speaker 2>in Alaska. Like here's huge wilderness in Alaska, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Bob Marshall is a huge wilderness that's in Montana.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cellway.

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<v Speaker 2>There's somebody's gonna tell me I'm crazy. The Bob Marshall.

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<v Speaker 2>How big is the Bob Marshall. Somebody look up how

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<v Speaker 2>big the Bob Marshall is. It is a massive chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of land. We have a lot of wildernesses in the

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<v Speaker 2>East that are very small, like under ten thousand acres,

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<v Speaker 2>which are extremely valuable, but out I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 2>fit all of Georgia's wilderness, every one of them into

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<v Speaker 2>like a teeny tiny corner of the Bob Marshall.

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<v Speaker 6>More than a million and one point five million acres one.

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<v Speaker 1>Point five marshall.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Look up some of the other wildernesses in Alaska, like

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest Alaska wilderness with the capitol.

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<v Speaker 4>W I would argue that the reason those places are

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<v Speaker 4>still so wild is because it was not easy to

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<v Speaker 4>get there and profit off of the land. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>that is that's true?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's no giant cities in Alaska that sprawl across

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<v Speaker 4>the half the place, you know, because it's just hard

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<v Speaker 4>to get there, and it's not probitable, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's it's wilderness is extremely controversial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's and it's controversial today.

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<v Speaker 5>Fifty seven and a half million acres of designated wilderness

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<v Speaker 5>in Alaska. Wow, out of two hundred and twenty two

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<v Speaker 5>million federal acres.

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<v Speaker 4>Canada is is that? I mean, well, Canada is not

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<v Speaker 4>like ninety percent probably, I mean, but there they.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't have federal designation. Well, I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean the Tree Queensland up there, our Kingsland now

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<v Speaker 5>Crown called Crown Land.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I don't know if Canada probably has some

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<v Speaker 2>type of wilderness, but I wouldn't know what it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the same as ours. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>We're not counting their land in ours, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>even though is basically the fifty first state. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not making any friends right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada.

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<v Speaker 6>I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you so much, I really do. I love Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of time in Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>The geese are excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for fear that we're going to spoil the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of these episodes, this has been a good It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a great start.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious, I love it, and I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>even if I would hope that people that are human,

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<v Speaker 2>the attention span is so small as possible, someone could

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I'm not interested in wilderness and not listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this podcast. I would hope if they did, they

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<v Speaker 2>be drawn in and be like I should be I

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<v Speaker 2>should at least have an understanding this because we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>see how much this idea is tied into American identity

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<v Speaker 2>really with the frontier thesis, Frederick Jackson Turner, You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hear about it, but this is a good place to start. Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for coming down, man.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you much for having me. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's uh, it's pretty wild. I thought i'd ever be

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<v Speaker 4>here doing this, truly, so I'm truly grateful that you

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<v Speaker 4>guys are allow me to come down here.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you come back, bring more crab don't come right.

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<v Speaker 4>A technology we can make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we know how to get we know.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, let's I have a little watch list.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this could be, but just have them drop shipped

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<v Speaker 3>here when you come.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if one day my dream is that one day

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<v Speaker 2>every t s A board in America will have a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of a blue crab a circle with an X across,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be like Luke would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be my my mark on society.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no live blue crabs on the plane. All right, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much,