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Speaker 2: H Hey everyone, it is UNI. It spring drinking and

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Speaker 2: you are listening to ipe up there with drinking. And

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Speaker 2: I heard it was a network or where it did

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Speaker 2: the podcast. There's always I need gooins.

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Speaker 3: I'm a said, what up?

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Speaker 2: What up? How going on?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing alright, doing all right.

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Speaker 4: Had a good weekend, went the four, did the boardwalk,

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Speaker 4: We did some rides.

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Speaker 5: Nice.

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Speaker 2: I watched a surfing competition on the beach.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It was a really fun weekend. Kids had a good time,

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Speaker 2: so did we.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it.

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Speaker 3: Surfing competition. I'm thinking thinking Batman versus the Joker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, my window was like an ocean view

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Speaker 4: and I'm sitting at the window and I noticed all

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Speaker 4: these people and I was like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: And next thing I know, they're in the ocean.

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Speaker 4: I was like, it can't be a cold plunge because

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Speaker 2: And then I saw them surfing and I was like,

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Speaker 4: And then there must have been like a ceremony where

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Speaker 4: they all got like prizes and stuff. Oh wow, that

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Speaker 3: Nobody named the big Kahuna walking around.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I wanted to get out there

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Speaker 2: Oh my look, I give fit and die.

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Speaker 3: So you know what happened over the weekend here a

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Speaker 3: tornado went through about uh one town over.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah Friday. But what's weirdest is where I am, even

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Speaker 3: though it's the same county, Like we're protected by some

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Speaker 3: and yeah, this funnel cloud tornado swept through really quickly.

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Speaker 2: That is scary, man. I'm glad, uh glad everybody's okay

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it rained like it got really dark because we

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Speaker 4: were there for Friday to Sunday and it got really

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Speaker 4: was like raining, not hard though, so we put on

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Speaker 4: We didn't have an umbrella, but we put our hoodies on.

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Speaker 2: With our hoods. The four of us are just running

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Speaker 2: running down the boardwalk, in the rain. It was actually fun.

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Speaker 4: But uh, I think we're going to go back, maybe

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Speaker 4: late July or August something like that, do it again.

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Speaker 4: But it was a good time. I really enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: I really like it, you know. I laid out today,

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Speaker 4: tried to get some sun. I need some sun. Big

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Speaker 4: weekend coming up. We'll talk about it later, but I

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Speaker 4: am white as a ghost. I am Casper the Friendly, so.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try and lay out. We're getting a heat wave.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be in the eighties and nineties this week.

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Speaker 4: So the pool is ready to go, and hopefully my

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Speaker 2: For the next three days until I have to leave

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Speaker 2: on Friday. So yeah, that's that's my plans for the week.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a plan right there.

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Speaker 2: Jim Tanned Laundry. Did you ever hear that before on GTL?

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Speaker 4: Just pump my way through, uh Saint Augustine this weekend

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Speaker 4: being the franchise and Bambi so again, well we'll.

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Speaker 2: Plug that at the end. Our guest needs a moment.

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Speaker 4: So he'll be stopping by in a few but otherwise, uh,

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Speaker 4: nothing else going on there.

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Speaker 3: No, you know here, we're chill here, you know, no

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Speaker 3: No, well a little bit, yes, but here's our guests

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Speaker 2: Our guests right now. Okay, well never mind, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that later. Is he in?

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Speaker 3: He's in? You want to introduce?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I have another good friend of mine and he c

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Speaker 4: W original alum, the great Jason Knight, the sexiest man alive.

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Speaker 2: Look at him in a studio. Look at you. I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 3: Very nice.

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Speaker 5: Sanctuary over here.

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Speaker 2: You are the professional, my friend. How are you?

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Speaker 4: You know I went for years not seeing Jason, and

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Speaker 4: now I see you all the time.

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Speaker 5: It's great, It is great.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad because you know, it's the to know that

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Speaker 1: we're still around and we're healthy and you know, doing

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Speaker 5: You know, it's always good to uh, the more of us,

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Speaker 5: the better, you know.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I always say when Shane and I do these signings,

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Speaker 4: we always get the Triple Threat promo picture with me, Shane,

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Speaker 4: Bamdam and Chris, and there's always two signatures that are missing,

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Speaker 4: and it just breaks my heart every time. So when

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Speaker 4: I get to see you guys and know that we're

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Speaker 4: thriving and we're healthy, it's just it's everything because our

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Speaker 4: locker room we have such a bad like I guess

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Speaker 4: you could say, reputation, and there's so many people who

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Speaker 4: have come above that and are thriving. And so it's

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Speaker 4: always good to see a fellow brother and you know,

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Speaker 4: happy to see you, happy you're here, thank you, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: happy to have you on. So I want to I

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Speaker 4: want to talk about the current state what you're doing,

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Speaker 4: because you're doing great things. But I just want to

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Speaker 4: go back a little bit, well a lot, probably thirty

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Speaker 4: two years back. So Jason is one of the first

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Speaker 4: guys that I literally feuded with. And first of all,

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Speaker 4: I have to I do this all the time. I

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Speaker 4: have to say thank you because you were you were

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Speaker 4: so gracious with the role that you were given with me.

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Speaker 4: You let me beat the absolute snot out of you

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Speaker 4: every single time, and you sold it like a champ.

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Speaker 4: And I always felt so bad because here's little me

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Speaker 4: and these big guys and they're selling for me, and

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking to myself, oh my god, they're gonna all

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Speaker 4: hate me. But you were such a pleasure to work

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Speaker 4: with every single time. So I wanted to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And you know what it is, we all need

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Speaker 1: to realize that we are in a form of show

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Speaker 1: business and if we can do something well entertain our

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Speaker 5: And now if we're gonna have a big head and try.

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Speaker 1: To almost make it into like, you know, the real world,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, this is impossible. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: put this one over because he's too green or he's

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Speaker 1: too small, that type of thing. That's the wrong approach

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Speaker 1: in our industry. And I believe that longevity lies in

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Speaker 1: the fact that so many of us do cooperate, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we were welcome to come back to work,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we lasted for all the years that

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Speaker 1: we lasted in one single company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: You are the only person I have to say that

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Speaker 4: the Bronco buster, and he bought me so huge, he

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Speaker 2: Who ever did that. But I found it so freaking funny.

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Speaker 2: It was hilarious, you know.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I've said it so many times, like the

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Speaker 4: guys that you know, I worked with, because Paul made

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Speaker 4: me look like a superhero and I wasn't. I was

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Speaker 4: this little, skinny little girl who had big balls and

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Speaker 4: wouldn't you know, do anything practically in the ring. But you,

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Speaker 4: you were just you were such a joy to work

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Speaker 4: with every single time, and you never know, I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to do this. You sold all the time and

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Speaker 4: it was just it was so fun working with you.

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Speaker 4: So I just wanted to start that off and say

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Speaker 5: I mean, likewise, I had a great time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and again, you know, if something bothers

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Speaker 1: you a certain spot or an angle, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: always that door, you know. Yeah, and you know again

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Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's a job, and it's a

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Speaker 5: It's there's something on a thing coming. Can you see me?

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Speaker 2: I can see you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine then because on the screen we can

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Speaker 1: see it. I can't read because I'm not allowed to

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Speaker 1: wear my glasses, but in any case I can't see.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, you know, and especially in this

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Speaker 1: we need to find some other form of work. And okay,

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Speaker 1: so getting back to the whole thing, I enjoyed it

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Speaker 5: I love professional wrestling. I love entertaining.

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Speaker 1: I love the whole aspect physical sports entertainment, the way

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Speaker 5: In a million directions.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, we had a very very

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Speaker 5: Definitely a roller coaster ride with him.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of those angles were a lot of

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Speaker 1: Because at that time, and especially you know, I was

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Speaker 1: banging down my door, you know, so many of us

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Speaker 5: Experience, you know, and that circumstance.

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Speaker 1: So I feel that, you know, we were given an

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Speaker 1: you had your fans were more or less programmed as

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Speaker 1: far as how to react, and we pushed that on

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Speaker 1: and I did. It was because in most other companies,

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Speaker 1: nothing like that ever ever occurred, you know, so in

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Speaker 5: To put it out there.

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Speaker 1: And I think we've got a great reaction, because all

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Speaker 1: I remember is whether I was in that corner of

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Speaker 1: you uncle bosting or or beating me up, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't even have to open my eyes

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Speaker 1: to see the reaction.

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Speaker 5: You could just hear it. You know. Yeah, you did

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Speaker 1: I always walked away very very satisfied.

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Speaker 5: I'm very satisfied and.

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Speaker 1: Proud of the fact that we were able to do

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Speaker 5: So I think we did something very special.

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Speaker 5: You know. Therefore, you know, we had that opportunity. So

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Speaker 5: I'm going to do this. It took. It took a

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 5: It is what it is. But the fact still.

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Speaker 5: We were not selfish.

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Speaker 2: And I was trying to explain.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you were if you if you're interested.

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Speaker 5: And you know I have an answer for that too.

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Speaker 1: you know, he created that that image among that crowd.

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Speaker 1: You know, that that that vast majority of her hardcore

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Speaker 5: Now, and there's.

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Speaker 1: Always going to be that guy or that group of

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm. These would be superstars because.

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Speaker 1: You have the suits in the back, for instance, Paul Hayman, Todd, whoever, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, they see what's going on, they know who's

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Speaker 1: the money maker. They see what makes money, what draws money.

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Speaker 1: And it's simply and strictly business.

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Speaker 5: Nothing personal, you know. And sometimes you are the guy.

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Speaker 1: That is responsible and you have the job of rolling

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Speaker 1: out the carpet.

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Speaker 5: For these other guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it depends on Listen. I did it a

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Speaker 1: million times, and I did it for everybody and anybody.

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Speaker 1: You know, he ambition to complained because you know, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, it was if I can do this, and

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Speaker 1: I can do this better than anyone else, I will

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Speaker 1: be respected for that, and you know, loyalty will be

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Speaker 1: shown toward me. And uh, I was shown a lot

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Speaker 1: of loyally, you know. And again Paul always said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I will never fire fire you.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're only going to fire yourself. And that's

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Speaker 5: exactly what happened. You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, so as far as you know now, uh being well,

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Speaker 1: it should have been me and you know, uh uh,

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Speaker 1: this guy's a jerk off. And I and I did

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Speaker 1: this and I and I did that. Well, think back

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Speaker 1: of what your attitude was like, wanting to be in

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Speaker 1: play ball. You want to do everything your way, you

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Speaker 1: don't want to co operate, and you know what, they're

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Speaker 1: going to use it.

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Speaker 5: For something dirty and get ridded. Very end the story.

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Speaker 2: See everyone who.

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