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Speaker 1: What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff Podcast. We've got some big words,

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Speaker 1: some news from David Stearns talking at the GM meetings.

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Speaker 1: We also got a Josh Naylor signing to the Mariners.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about briefly what that means for Pete Alonzo

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Speaker 1: moving forward. It's just kind of an episode to go

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Speaker 1: over the Mets offseason plan because it appears like we

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Speaker 1: have a better look inside what's going on the Mets

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Speaker 1: front office, what the plans are moving forward. Got comments

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Speaker 1: from Carlos Beltron. This team very clearly has a plan.

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Speaker 1: It seems like they're going to execute on that. We're

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Speaker 1: Let's start talking about some Mets.

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Speaker 2: The first time in a minute, with the background back

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Speaker 2: to the way it's been. But I like these kind

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Speaker 2: of weeks before the off season really starts, and now

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Speaker 2: we actually had the first big signing of the.

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Speaker 3: Off season with Naylor, so fields it.

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Speaker 2: But it's just kind of kind of searching through the weeds,

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Speaker 2: trying to find the hints of what the plans could

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Speaker 2: possibly be, trying to like basically translate the GM speak

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Speaker 2: the coach speak into learning what these guys are actually

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Speaker 2: going to do. Do you want to start talking about

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Speaker 2: Naylor though, Yeah, let's briefly talk about Naylor. We at

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Speaker 2: the time of recording, we don't have money, which is

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Speaker 2: crazy because it happened like three hours ago after we

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Speaker 2: were recording.

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Speaker 3: There's a rumor out there by.

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Speaker 1: What was his name, James Maria Alexander, by Ari Alexander

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Speaker 1: is saying ninety to one hundred million for five years.

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Speaker 1: We could have probably told you that as well. That's

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Speaker 1: the range we were like, ninety would be great for

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Speaker 1: Peter Alonzo's market. One hundred would be a little concerning

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Speaker 1: because there definitely is a difference between these two guys,

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Speaker 1: and we're trying to figure out what Peter Alonzo's price

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Speaker 1: is on the open market. But that's that's surely got

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Speaker 1: to be where Naylor signs if we see ninety, I

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Speaker 1: feel great about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing I texted you and I send

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Speaker 2: the messed up discord when we had it but no money,

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Speaker 2: I said five for ninety and I think that was

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Speaker 2: also exactly what Kylie McDaniel predicted and his free agency

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Speaker 2: predictions for ESPN. So again, it's a pretty fair estimate.

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Speaker 2: You said ninety one hundred. It's a big difference.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's two million year and a five year deal.

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Speaker 1: It's no, it's not a difference for like the idea,

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Speaker 1: but for Scott Bors, Peter Alonso. We're talking about what

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Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo's contract value is. Pet's can be like, I'm

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Speaker 1: worth more than that guy by more than twenty more

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Speaker 1: million dollars over five years.

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Speaker 3: Totally.

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Speaker 2: But I think, especially seeing the five years for Naylor,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is as meaningful to Pete Alonzo's

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Speaker 2: costs that I think some people have thought it to

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Speaker 2: be so far. One because Josh Nailli is just two

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Speaker 2: years younger than Pete, So I think that I I

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Speaker 2: thought Josh Nailer would wind up kind of waiting around

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Speaker 2: the off season, gets a smaller deal, But that's not

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Speaker 2: the case I was wrong about that, but seeing him

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Speaker 2: get these extra years and knowing he's younger, and again

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Speaker 2: understanding that could be it between ninety one hundred million

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Speaker 2: if we're going to go with that number so low

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Speaker 2: that in a single year last year in terms of

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Speaker 2: one year of that contract would be worth like the

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Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty million dollars AAV isn't exactly what you'd

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Speaker 2: consider an elite player. I think Pete there's still probably

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Speaker 2: a world where Pete gets a three or four year

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Speaker 2: deal that pays him like an elite player if he

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Speaker 2: wants to five. And now this can actually be a

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Speaker 2: template for that that takes us money leaning towards yeah,

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Speaker 2: as I'm saying, so now if Pete went's like five

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Speaker 2: at twenty four million per like, that's kind of what

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Speaker 2: we said initially, which was the five for one twenty five,

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Speaker 2: that's my shake my hand deal every single time, every

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Speaker 2: time I talk about people money like five for one

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Speaker 2: to twenty five, it gets it done. And while you

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Speaker 2: might not love paying, was it like thirty six thirty

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Speaker 2: seven year old pe A Loonso twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year like this team needs to win now, this

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Speaker 2: team can worry about those issues later. And I know

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Speaker 2: that's like a classic mistake every organization makes, But I

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Speaker 2: don't really care about what the Mets look like in

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Speaker 2: five years right now, when this team isn't a place

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Speaker 2: where they need to win now and should be.

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Speaker 3: Looking to win now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to give a sense again of players free

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Speaker 2: agents who have signed deals with the AAVs between twenty

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Speaker 2: years active contracts right now. The Josh the Christian nit

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Speaker 2: Walker contract was three for sixty and he was five

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Speaker 2: vers twenty eight. Ni Castiano's five for one hundred. The

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Speaker 2: Schwarber contract with affilies, which we said at the time

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Speaker 2: Huli eighteen million dollars, Jack Peterson's on a two year,

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Speaker 2: thirty seven million Anthony Son Sander, which was the cop

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Speaker 2: I also made the messed up discord when this contract

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Speaker 2: happened for thirty year olds, a little bit older, bit

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Speaker 2: of a shake your profile there, less defensive value, but

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Speaker 2: that those are the kinds of things wils contraras was

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Speaker 3: That's a little different.

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Speaker 2: Michael goodforda made seventeen million dollars for one year this year, Like,

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Speaker 2: this is the contract you pay someone who you like

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Speaker 2: but you don't love.

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Speaker 3: The five years is more of a love.

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Speaker 1: And I tweeted this too, which I think is kind

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Speaker 1: of fascinating that Naylor is now the fifth first baseman

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Speaker 1: in the league to have a contract of more than

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Speaker 1: two years. It's Naylor, Vlad Christian Walker, Matt Olson, Freddie Freeman.

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Speaker 1: It's not just small lest you don't really give those

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Speaker 1: guys that that kind of commitment. But I do expect

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Speaker 1: Pete will also get something like that too, because he

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Speaker 1: is he is just way better than Josh Naylor as well.

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Speaker 3: Definitely way better.

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Speaker 2: If people mentions being like better than Pete, I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: he's not. It's not even absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But I think that yeah, five years low aav actually,

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Speaker 1: I think is not what Boris and Pete would wanted.

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Speaker 3: To see for this.

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Speaker 1: No, That's why I brought it up in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Is like, if we see five for ninety, I'm like, great,

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Speaker 1: because then it feels like five for one to twenty

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Speaker 1: five for one hundred. I could see being like, well,

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Speaker 1: this guy hit my worst year. Is what this guy

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Speaker 1: just did in his best season, Like we're not the same.

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Speaker 2: And I think that that still made Like we said originally,

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Speaker 2: I still think that makes five for one twenty five

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Speaker 2: the ceiling of when anyone would offer Pete a lonzo.

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Speaker 3: I really stand by them, believe that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's also relevant that Naylor signed this deal

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Speaker 2: back with the Mariners while he had the qualifyng offers

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Speaker 2: didn't come into play, and Pete doesn't have qualifying offers.

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Speaker 3: That's also part of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that's all we really need to

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Speaker 1: talk about Naylor. We can move on now to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the Mets offseason plans. Like we said, David

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Speaker 1: Stearns gave us some sound bites some interviews at the

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Speaker 1: GM meetings. We also heard Carlos Beltron talk at the

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Speaker 1: prd Are All Star Game out at City Field.

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Speaker 3: One thing looks sick. It did look sick.

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Speaker 1: One thing that both of those guys stressed immediately, like

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Speaker 1: one of the first things out of their mouth defense. Defense, defense,

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Speaker 1: And you heard it from David Stearns in his postseason

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Speaker 1: conference press conference. Defense. Defense, defense. It's not sexy, it's

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Speaker 1: not fun. But when you look at this Mets team

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Speaker 1: last year, they didn't play very good defense and that

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Speaker 1: definitely cost them some games. The difference between making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sterns mentioned it specifically that it was when the

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Speaker 2: defense was near the worst in the league and the

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Speaker 2: pitching was bad. Is when this team played their worst

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Speaker 2: baseball and wind up losing their playoffs. Bot He said

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Speaker 2: that in the press conference did with SNY when.

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Speaker 1: They had all the scrumm of reporters.

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Speaker 2: He said that when you talked to Brian Kenny and

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Speaker 2: LB Network, it's this is the thing that's going to

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Speaker 2: He's like, the number one thing he wants to improve

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Speaker 2: with this team is defense. Like that was mentioning that

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Speaker 2: the defense was bottom of the league. I think was

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Speaker 2: We saw the Mets being lower half of the league,

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Speaker 2: which I think does tell us that they're grading the

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Speaker 2: Mets on a much sharper scale than we have. We

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Speaker 2: can see with things like TRS OAA USR stuff they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know that too just from watching this team. Like,

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Speaker 1: as much as we love Wan Soto hitting defensively, he

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Speaker 1: Brandonimo wasn't great in left field, Mark Vienzos couldn't play

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Speaker 1: Like, there were definitely some clear and obvious problems defensively

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Speaker 1: away from the Mets defensive value, the moving the rotating

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Speaker 1: they want to probably and I'm not gonna say to

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Speaker 1: that over glove when push comes to shove, But I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the fill in guys, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the guys would be in a Mark Viento's spot

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Speaker 1: of Luis and Helicunya spot Ronnie Mauricio, those last four

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Speaker 2: He also mentioned specifically in a few of those things

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Speaker 2: that Mark Fianze is a bat first player and he'll

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Speaker 2: give opportunities based on his bat, which is like, no ship.

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Speaker 2: It was cool to see, like the lead executive like

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Speaker 2: say that so contritely. He mentioned that the hiring of

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Speaker 2: Kai Korea to be our new bench coach as one

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Speaker 2: of the best defensive minds in the league, and he

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Speaker 2: was excited to what Kai could do with this team

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Speaker 2: defensively because the Stearns mentioned specifically the big part of

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Speaker 2: what the Mets should do to improve their defense is

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Speaker 2: players improving the defensive abilities of existing players. And then

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Speaker 2: another comment later, someone asked if you can improve the

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Speaker 2: defense by Solo Dahing. He was like, no, second half

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Speaker 2: of the year, we saw so Thos being an average defender,

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Speaker 2: and in his career, he said, we've had times for

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Speaker 2: Solos Flash as a good defender as well. So I

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Speaker 2: think they're like, he's going to be playing the field

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Speaker 2: and again, like he mentioned in the off the end

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Speaker 2: of season press conference, he mentioned some players changing positions.

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Speaker 2: He said that twice. Now someone, I guess someone's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think some people want to hear like salacious things

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Speaker 1: The other big thing that these two talked about, Beltron

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Speaker 1: It is crazy that the drop off in money, like

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Speaker 1: Pete to obviously not gonna be the next highest guy.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be sure ber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gotta be Bo, right, that's that's got to

441
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Speaker 1: be the guy who gets paid the most. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably just because the age. Yeah, it's

443
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Speaker 1: because he's gonna be twenty eight next year, so you

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Speaker 1: get two more years in his two more full years

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Speaker 1: in his twenties, and then he is still He's probably

446
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Speaker 1: still gonna hit in his thirties. It's just what's the

447
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Speaker 1: actual value gonna get outside of like hitting for average

448
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Speaker 1: from him, which I don't know about when he gets

449
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Speaker 1: older and bo does all the things well that don't

450
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Speaker 1: age well, like also he doesn't really run anymore, and

451
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Speaker 1: Bo's like so good, like making contact on weird pitches.

452
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Speaker 1: That's something that gets so much worse, like you're bad

453
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Speaker 1: to the ball and like weird batted balls done.

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Speaker 3: Like, but he had a great season.

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Speaker 2: There's no I think Boz's gonna have two more, three

456
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Speaker 2: more really really good seasons. He could be a quick

457
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Speaker 2: drop off guy. And like it's even Tucker, like Tucker's great,

458
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Speaker 2: Like Tucker's nowhere near the level the tier of Ah

459
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Speaker 2: though Judge Otani.

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Speaker 1: I think going into last season everyone was like, oh,

461
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be like a four hundred million dollar guy, Like,

462
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Speaker 1: no doubt, I still think he might. I still think

463
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Speaker 1: he is, but is he is he as close to

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Speaker 1: that AAV as he should be.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love Kyle Tucker. I think he's awesome. I think

467
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Speaker 1: like right now, paying forty million dollars a year, I

468
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Speaker 1: don't give a shit. I'd be happy with whatever team

469
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Speaker 1: he went to if my if I was a fan

470
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Speaker 1: of that team, they signed it, for sure. But this

471
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Speaker 1: for agent class is mega ass Like this is not

472
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Speaker 1: a good for agent class at all, especially on the

473
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Speaker 1: pitching side, which sucks because we need pitching. I have

474
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Speaker 1: like almost no interest in any of the.

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Speaker 2: Pitchers on the market, especially if the rates are going

476
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Speaker 2: to go for the whole thing that started me on

477
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Speaker 2: this tangent, I'm I'm gonna shift after this talk about

478
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Speaker 2: the starting patricks, I think Stern says some cool shit

479
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Speaker 2: about them is that this year the Mets actually had

480
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Speaker 2: the fourth highest average fastball velosity from believers, crazy and

481
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Speaker 2: ninety five point seven.

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Speaker 1: Kind of shocked about. The Rockies were second, Cardinals were first.

483
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Speaker 2: Car Rockies with their Cardinals' second Giants were first, but

484
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Speaker 2: never ever, and the Padres were fifth.

485
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Speaker 1: Never ever would get gets that top five and that.

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Speaker 3: Order, but it's below behind the Padres.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that you lose I think when you

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Speaker 2: lose Edwin just yes, I don't know how else you're

489
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Speaker 2: going to find this philosophy unless you give the keys

490
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Speaker 2: to Lambert and Delon Ross. So I also think the

491
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Speaker 2: best way too, because two other things that Sterns really

492
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Speaker 2: really harped on is the fact that where we want

493
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Speaker 2: to give young players a chance, but also this starting

494
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Speaker 2: pitching market, he basically said through his teeth is fucking ass. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think it was a good way to let

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Speaker 2: people know that someone keep like, how how high is

497
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Speaker 2: getting a number one star there on your list? Because

498
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Speaker 2: don't know how many true number of stars are out there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there is one. He said, if a

500
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Speaker 2: number one pitcher is available, we will be involved in discussions.

501
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Speaker 2: And he doubled down saying that we know that we

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Speaker 2: have the strength of system, the depth and the quality

503
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Speaker 2: of prospects to get any deal done and not worry

504
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Speaker 2: about how that affects both our major league team and

505
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Speaker 2: our minor league teams.

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Speaker 3: That was like, that was important to me. That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was like, oh my god, yes, please, Like

508
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Speaker 1: you're hinting that you will make the right trade, you

509
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Speaker 1: will take this shot if it's there and that's all

510
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Speaker 1: we want. That's why you build up this farm system.

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Speaker 1: That's why you've seen the teams like the Dodgers, and

512
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Speaker 1: you saw the Padres take these shots, like you build

513
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Speaker 1: up this farm system and you can gut it like

514
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Speaker 1: the Padres and not win anything, but like they go

515
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Speaker 1: for it. I fucking appreciate that they go forward as

516
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Speaker 1: one of the smallest markets in all of sports. Dodgers

517
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Speaker 1: obviously continuously have one of the best farm systems in baseball.

518
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Speaker 1: But that's what makes this organizational philosophy and how you

519
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: build this team so much fun is that now you

520
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,360
Speaker 1: can be interested in every single guy that's ever available

521
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Speaker 1: because you have the pieces and.

522
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Speaker 2: You can pick and choose the right ones. There's a

523
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Speaker 2: difference between finding a way to trade for fram Rivald

524
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Speaker 2: dead I'm finding a way to trade for terror Scuba,

525
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Speaker 2: but also giving a six year contracts Fram Ravaldadz Like,

526
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Speaker 2: it's just not like I would.

527
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Speaker 3: Rather trade the prospects every single time than give Ramber.

528
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Speaker 2: Six years every single time. It's not even close. And

529
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Speaker 2: then this is the other thing that's gonna be the

530
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Speaker 2: reverse of this. So you guys might not want to hear,

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Speaker 2: if you guys didn't like our nightmare offseason episode last week,

532
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Speaker 2: you're gonna love this. The best way, David Searn said,

533
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Speaker 2: the best way to have an ace on your staff

534
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Speaker 2: is to develop the ace of your staff, and he said,

535
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Speaker 2: I think we have a good shot to do that

536
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Speaker 2: based on the guys that we have. And it's like

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Speaker 2: it's very clear that what he was saying is that

538
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Speaker 2: we're open minded. We think we know we're gonna have

539
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Speaker 2: to go into this offseason adding pitching. He also said

540
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Speaker 2: about the guys last year, it was a lot of

541
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Speaker 2: injuries to affect the performance. I think that's specifically talking

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Speaker 2: about guys like Sean and I Coda saying I think

543
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Speaker 2: are comfortably still going into the years like the three

544
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Speaker 2: and the five of the staff. So I don't think

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Speaker 2: we're super relying on him as things damn as things stand.

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Speaker 3: Right now, but they should have to provide some value.

547
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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, And that's the that's.

548
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Speaker 1: The worrying part that I can understand why Mets fans

549
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Speaker 1: are scared about this rotation is because we did just

550
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Speaker 1: see a season of Code. I say again, Sean and I,

551
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Speaker 1: that was horrible. And if those guys stink again. Then

552
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Speaker 1: it's like pants are down. We don't we oh shit,

553
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Speaker 1: we we just did the exact same thing we did

554
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Speaker 1: last year, which is not really enough actually good starting pitching.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's why the Mets are in

556
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Speaker 1: a weird scenario where we have like nine guys, but

557
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Speaker 1: how many can you actually rely.

558
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Speaker 3: On to be good?

559
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Speaker 2: That's the problem. We have nine guys who have like

560
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: six threes, like this team doesn't have one. They might,

561
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Speaker 2: I mean, McClain's probably a great too, but there's then

562
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Speaker 2: it's just it's threes and fours in a couple of fives,

563
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Speaker 2: like you need to find a way to get any

564
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Speaker 2: elevation there.

565
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Speaker 3: And it's like.

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Speaker 2: I think that they know that there's a chance that

567
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Speaker 2: happens again. I don't think there's a shit ton of

568
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Speaker 2: confidence in that room about either of those guys, because

569
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Speaker 2: there was like more comments about saying it like he's said,

570
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Speaker 2: I'm a starting picture right now, Like we know that

571
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Speaker 2: he's someone who can't contribute, not someone like to be

572
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Speaker 2: relied upon. I think also Mini like fucking sucks. But

573
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Speaker 2: the way we talked about him through last year, it's

574
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Speaker 2: like when you change your Armstole like that you're just

575
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Speaker 2: begging to get hurt.

576
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Speaker 3: Yep, but your body did something one thing, one way forever.

577
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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna tell your body to do one thing

578
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Speaker 1: that you've always done totally differently. It's like and then

579
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Speaker 1: we wear his arm slot dropped even more this year,

580
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Speaker 1: and that was a bad drop because he was just

581
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Speaker 1: getting absolutely tattooed every single time.

582
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Speaker 3: The pictures were flat, that had no juice. It was

583
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Speaker 3: it was bad.

584
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Speaker 2: And that's the contract again you are worried about signing.

585
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Speaker 2: Luckily it is only a three year deal, but like

586
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Speaker 2: that's where the biggest mistakes happened last offseason. Everyone's kind

587
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: of focused on Franky Montas, but like two years from

588
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: seventeen million per like it sucks as dog shit for that,

589
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: but like Mani getting paid more like a tier above

590
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't even able close to that end, didn't

591
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Speaker 2: show up and when he pitched, he wasn't even good.

592
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Speaker 2: It's like that's the ship that really can kill your

593
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Speaker 2: team and really bog down what.

594
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Speaker 3: You can do.

595
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Speaker 1: And like giving those contracts out of it are scary,

596
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Speaker 1: which from it was like kind of the Starling Marteche

597
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Speaker 1: contract where it's like, yeah, five years from now, which

598
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Speaker 1: we saw last year. It's like, I he had a

599
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Speaker 1: fine season Starling Marte. He hit okay, but he kind

600
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Speaker 1: of had no value to this team besides vibes. No,

601
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Speaker 1: it's good, fuck, I finding more value, like damn. That's

602
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Speaker 1: the thing why starts talking a lot about the young

603
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Speaker 1: players too. Yes, he said we need to give young

604
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Speaker 1: players a chance to play, mention the fact that we

605
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Speaker 1: need to build in the room on this roster to

606
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Speaker 1: give young guys a chance.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the two sides of that a

608
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Speaker 2: little bit. That's about the pictures, I think for sure, Yes,

609
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Speaker 2: I think that. I think he just wants to give

610
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Speaker 2: both Joan Tong and Brandon's broke chances to prove himselves

611
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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 1: They should one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And I also think another part of that he mentioned

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Speaker 2: actually by name, it's about Carson Bench. Yes, it's about

615
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Speaker 2: not signing guys in the outfield and not give Carson

616
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Speaker 2: Bench a chance. I think that there's a real and

617
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Speaker 2: he said that that was the care that kind of

618
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Speaker 2: made it right their rounds from this media availability that

619
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Speaker 2: Starns did. It's that Carson Bench is gonna come to

620
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Speaker 2: spring training with a chance to make the team went

621
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Speaker 2: who was specifically asked about center field super awesome as.

622
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Speaker 1: Well, by the way, Like I love to hear that

623
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Speaker 1: kind of confidence from the president of this team, being

624
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Speaker 1: like this first round pick we think is a home run.

625
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Speaker 1: If he shows us that he's that dude, he is

626
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Speaker 1: going to be our center fielder. And I also think

627
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Speaker 1: from a fan perspective and even players on the team,

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Speaker 1: you kind of have to respect the idea while there's

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Speaker 1: no again, there's no real center fielder to go sign

630
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Speaker 1: on the free agent market. If you're gonna go, never

631
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Speaker 1: someone it's like Luis Robert, And as much as I

632
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Speaker 1: love him, it's risky. There's risk involved with a guy

633
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Speaker 1: like Luis Robert.

634
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Speaker 3: He might suck.

635
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Speaker 1: It's cool to see that, like your organization like, this

636
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Speaker 1: guy's good, he's gonna help us win. And if he

637
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Speaker 1: shows us he's that guy, we're going to put him

638
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Speaker 1: in there right then and there. He's gonna be thrown

639
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Speaker 1: into the fire, which I kind of like, especially if

640
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Speaker 1: the Urns come into spring training with a chance to win.

641
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Speaker 1: It's like, we're very you open minded to what this

642
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: guy I can you.

643
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: Can help this team win.

644
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Speaker 1: You are going to be on this roster, and I

645
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: don't know if we've had that conversation about previous Mets

646
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Speaker 1: teams all.

647
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Speaker 2: The time totally, which is also funny because when he

648
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: did this three weeks with Triple A, he was fucking

649
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: asked he was terrible, You're not good, But like, also

650
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Speaker 2: get three weeks Triple.

651
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Speaker 3: A like no big dealer.

652
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Speaker 2: He's one of the best hitters in Double A something

653
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Speaker 2: a wrister and I can remember what, but double A

654
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Speaker 2: he was one of the best hitters in the entire league.

655
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Speaker 2: So I think he's like when you see a guy

656
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Speaker 2: do that who already has college under his belts, like,

657
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: you can do that, and you kind of need if

658
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: you want to be a team that kind of is

659
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: like beats odds on. I can never say the Medicine

660
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: are like an underdog based on having to watch so

661
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: fisc going door on their team, but like to take

662
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: a step forward as a team, you kind of do

663
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: need to build in room for these young players to

664
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: take their steps, Like you that's how you get production

665
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: pass projections, like, that's how you add something new to

666
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: the roster. And I do think that, ironically that did

667
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: actually happen by the end of the year, this year,

668
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: Like when we got to September, Baby and Alvarez were absolute,

669
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: like surefire stud players, Like we're going into the season

670
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: and it's like there's kind of no question about either

671
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: of them.

672
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Speaker 3: And I'm comfortable saying I'm real confident about both of them.

673
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: We've always been Brett Baity podcast has been a Brett

674
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: Baty podcast.

675
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: Through and through. And it feels good that he's playing

676
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: so well.

677
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: And David Sertins also gave him a little vote of

678
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: confidence too, talking about how like he's gonna get significant

679
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: time at third base. That's one of our guys there

680
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: and he should. He plays good defense at third. He

681
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: hit really well last year, got better as the season

682
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: went on. There's no reason why Brett Baty shouldn't be

683
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: the starting third basement.

684
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 3: On opening day.

685
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: And then for Francisco Alvarez behind the play. We always

686
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: talked about his age, but when he went down to

687
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: Triple A and went back to being the hitter that

688
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: he was, how fucking awesome was it to watch him

689
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: play baseball again.

690
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: The guy is just a beast. He's a freak at

691
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: the plate.

692
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: Again, not wanting to rehash any of the bullshit that happened,

693
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: and that end of the year whatever, But Alph is

694
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: one of the best, not even catchers, hitters in baseball.

695
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: When he came back up, it was basically the whole

696
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: second half he had a hundred almost one hundred fifty

697
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: play the appearances of being an absolute lights out, rock

698
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: solid like Masher, someone who could hit fifth on a

699
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: playoff team.

700
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: You onlyn feel bad about it.

701
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: So just the fact that if that was one of

702
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: the goals last year, tons of goals last that we're

703
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: not reached to one of the goals of them, but

704
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: one of them was figure out what the fuck is

705
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: going to happen with these two guys. And it was

706
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: a little bit for two of this to get to

707
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: that spot, especially the way both guys started their seasons.

708
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: But by the end of it, you know that you

709
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: have the space.

710
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: Now we have these two guys who are rock solid

711
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: towards the back middle of the lineup and can be

712
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: trusted and and if you get one more guy to

713
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: do that this year in bench, that's such a huge

714
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: deal too, especially if he can do that at premium position,

715
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: because then the other side of this coin. David SERTs

716
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: was noncommittal about Jet Williams role and about that. Someone

717
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: asked after about the bench stuff. It was like, oh

718
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: about Jet Williams to see him the same light, and

719
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: he was like, Noah, not really. I think it's still

720
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: more room to grow, more rooms to develop, he said,

721
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: though defensively he likes Jet that he can play all

722
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: three up the middle positions at a high level.

723
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: But that was kind of where that stopped.

724
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: I think that's also like, uh, because he talked about

725
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Acunya and that they plan to use Acunya a lot

726
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: still next season, that they're confident about what he can be,

727
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: especially defensively. Defensively, we know that Jet like if he

728
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: can do what Akunya can do defensively, which has played

729
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: the middle infield positions, in center field.

730
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Speaker 3: We know he's a better hitter. We know he's gonna

731
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Speaker 3: have a better bat.

732
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Speaker 1: I think that's also maybe a little why he's a

733
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: little non committal too, is they kind of have someone

734
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, and if you they might be looking

735
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: to move Acunya too. I think at some point this offseason,

736
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Speaker 1: I think.

737
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: They're dying to move Acunya because Acunya is simply put,

738
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: an incomplete baseball player. He's smacking home runs in the

739
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: winch of league though. It's just kind of funny to see,

740
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: but we know that his bats.

741
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: Be dropped and when he was gone, he was taking hacks.

742
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: And while that version of Acunya probably strikes out thirty

743
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: percent of the time and probably is not patient and

744
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: doesn't get on base, if he's gonna hit the ball

745
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: any sort of harder than he did last year and

746
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: play defense and run like he did, that's a player

747
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: I love to have on the bench. It's just the

748
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five version has no place on this roster. Yeah,

749
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: Luisa Halacunya.

750
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: Between twenty twenty four when he came up to be

751
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: a spark plug and it was kind of like, hey,

752
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: young man, save the team, and he kind of did.

753
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: He had seventy fifth percentile bass be it was average

754
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: basketby almost seventy four miles per hour. Then this year,

755
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: with a lot more swings, the average bass feed was

756
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: under seventy one miles prior, which is bottom thirty percent

757
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: tile of bad speed. That seems like a pretty easy fix,

758
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: like if if for Louise on Helicunya. There's again there

759
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: are a lot of count right now about legitimately not

760
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: dendering him. I think that would actually be a mistake,

761
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: given to his age, his defensive value, his athleticism, and

762
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: the fact that we did see two weeks of him

763
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: swinging the pit side of the bat and just actually

764
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: hitting the ball well.

765
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: At the worst case scenario, even if.

766
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: It's just for this year, until you get one more

767
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: year of seasoning with Jet, if Louis on Helicunia can

768
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: be Luis your May with pop and speed. Yeah, and

769
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: like again me saying it's pop you guys, probably guys,

770
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 2: no fucking pop. I watch him all year. Last year,

771
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: like we saw, there's a version of him with pop.

772
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: We saw him swinging the bad hard. For some reason,

773
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: he just didn't do that this year. I think someone

774
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: instructed him to, like maybe be a little bit more slappy,

775
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: which is a little more contact. If someone was doing that,

776
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: I think that someone likely doesn't have a job right now.

777
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: And I think we all know why the person doesn't

778
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: have a job. But for him, who have not shortened

779
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: up his swings Now I'm even looking at Baseball's box

780
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: now I'm interested about it. Same swing length and you

781
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: lost three miles nowur in his bad speed, that's like incomprehensible.

782
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: It's inco and that is intentional as well. That is

783
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: an intentional take a different swing, I see, and you

784
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: know he's still make contact in a similar spot too.

785
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: It's just it's very, very terrible.

786
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: But if he can just get back to plus bats

787
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: being empty, a plus defender empty, the fastest guy on

788
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: your team, it's a great spot on the roster for that,

789
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: Like you need this backup infielder that can play around

790
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: and so we could play short, could play thirty, it's

791
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Second, like it's it's a fine player

792
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: to have on your roster. You're not like you're not

793
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: freaking out excited about Luis hillcoun You've being one of

794
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: the last guys in this roster, but to be the

795
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, twenty fifth guy, Like that's a very very

796
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: useful piece. I also really liked what Stern said to

797
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: say about Ronnie Mauricio too, just to talk about more

798
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: of these like fill in guys that because Ronnie's back

799
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: in the lead don playing and he was like, yeah,

800
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: his injury has it was like a freak thing.

801
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: We don't care. We want him to get better. We're

802
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: not gonna stop development.

803
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: Because of a fear of an injury, like and I

804
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: like hearing that too, because Ronnie needs to play more baseball,

805
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: Like that's the biggest thing with him is he just

806
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: needs more reps, needs more swings. If he could ever

807
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: figure out how to even be a little better hitting

808
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: right handed, like, he has spot on this team big time.

809
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: And we know that the only reason Ryan Risio was

810
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: on the roster at the end of last year is

811
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: because they want to preserve that option. Yes, one hundred

812
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: percent the whole thing.

813
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: And if he would have been sent down with or

814
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: gotten a player, while maybe you win one more game

815
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: when you reach the fucking postseason. So I think that

816
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: was a misread by Sterns. There something he did wrong. Yes,

817
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: it's it's important that they wanted him to get that

818
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: so while they knew he was on the roster and

819
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: not able to play baseball at the end of the year, like, yeah,

820
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: please go play in the lead, dumb, Like, get get

821
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: your hacks and get reps because that's just important for

822
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: a guy that missed so much time and who was

823
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: so raw. Anyway, now he's neakly going to turn twenty

824
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: five years old during the season, which is it's crazy

825
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: to Ryan RESI is gonna be twenty five years oldcause

826
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: I remember when the fucking signed him internationally seven years ago,

827
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck it was. But yeah, twenty seventeen, they

828
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: sign him internationally. Eight years ago, they signed Royan Marisio.

829
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: Be nine by midseason next year. But it's just reps, wraps, reps, game,

830
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: game game. But that was something own area where the

831
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: classic threating the needle did not work.

832
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: No, it did not work.

833
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna ask you the favorite question, James. Yeah, Luisagan, Helicunya,

834
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Mark Vientos, Ronnie Marie who's on the Mets twenty twenty

835
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: six opening day.

836
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: Of those three.

837
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: So I don't think Mauricio will be something.

838
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: He'll be in the organization, but I think he was

839
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: guarantee starts season triple A, and I think that I

840
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: think that the Cunya is and Vianzo's is not. I'm

841
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: still steadfast that Vanto's is not.

842
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: The disrespect the.

843
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: fALS turns delivered to him in that press conference, being like, yeah,

844
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: bad opportunities, and he's like, I know he's gonna be motivated,

845
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: and he kind of he said something that basically instructed

846
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: that the positions that mark Fiento's plays will be filled.

847
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: He said he has to come and spring training knowing

848
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: an opportunity will arise.

849
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: I also liked it felt like, you know, reading the

850
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: tea leaves about certain's comments too, kind of hinted too,

851
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: He's like, he's a bat first guy and the bat

852
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: wasn't there last year, so can't really play him.

853
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: And the way that Carls Mendoza kind of doubled down

854
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: that by the end of the year, being like, hey,

855
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: he can't play this position.

856
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Which is we can't put them there.

857
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: He never will, no, And I think that Gibbons also

858
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: mentioned the fact that he loved the process between the

859
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: coaching staff in the front offus. He said that he

860
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: said definitely wasn't a problem, but you felt like based

861
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: on that the failure that things had to change, and

862
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: he was okay with that.

863
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's a respecible opinion. Yeah, I

864
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: think the old school baseball guys.

865
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna go hang out in uh in Anaheim

866
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: with the Angels coaching.

867
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Staff, which with real coaches, we could really do baseball stuff.

868
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: Because he mentioned he's had another comment about analytics being

869
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: like the way that like this front office like GE's

870
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: a great day. That's like a young man's game to

871
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: be a coach. Now you've seen that with these mets

872
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: higres Kai Korea.

873
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: Justin Willard, Jeff Albert.

874
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: I think those guys, you add up all their ages,

875
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: you barely sneak over a hundred. So it's I think

876
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: the Angels the average, two coaches get one hundred, the

877
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Master after three coaches get to one hundred, and Kurts

878
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: on one year deal, one year coaching deal. But I

879
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: think that him, he seemed like kind of like nice

880
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: about it. He was like a firemans wanted to leave

881
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: before I could be into the punch.

882
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: It's fine exactly how he felt as a manager. It

883
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: seems like that's always his comments, kind of like yeah whatever,

884
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: it's like the way they're gonna run this team, probably

885
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: one more young men involved here.

886
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah I shouldn't be involved. No, it was just totally fine.

887
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: But I do I do think that like after this week,

888
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: like it's it's nice to get some of these morsels

889
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: of news. It's nice to actually get a piece of

890
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: real news. And Josh Naylor some other funny comments as

891
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: Stern's made a few times people asked him about lowering

892
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: payroll and he was like, no, He's like, that's not

893
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: part of the planes. He gets our plans to lower

894
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: the payroll. He was like, I think its really nice

895
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: here that we know that that's never an issue. Yes,

896
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: And someone asked him again that is there actually a

897
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: plan to lower the payroll.

898
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: He just said no, James Stern, Look, he was.

899
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: A ga, he was the president of baseball in Milwaukee

900
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: and they were cheap. Surely he's going to run the

901
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Brewers the exact same way, even though there's clearly different

902
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: financials involved.

903
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: No, we've really offered the biggest contracts ever since it's

904
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: been this team for hither.

905
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: That pitcher that's not him, James, that's Steve Cohen. And

906
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: that's why Peter Alonzo was back. It's anything that any

907
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: big contract is not David Stern. He only signed Frankie Mantas.

908
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Ignore Clay Holmes, one of the best free agent picture

909
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: signings of the season last year. No one's talking about

910
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: Clay Holmes. Clay Homes is so good this year.

911
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 5: There's another twenty admitted on Clay Holmes again, just again,

912
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: sixty innings, three five e r get the fuck out

913
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: of here, Like that's better than almost every free agent

914
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: pitcher that would signed last offseason.

915
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: Clay this season again, we'll say so the Mets cobobs

916
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: have really started to come off. Like we were here

917
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: doing the podcast the whole month of October. But you

918
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: guys probably tell our souls weren't in it because about

919
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: the press. We worry about how everything went down.

920
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: No, it's it's nice to like not be depressed.

921
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes are the forty sixth most innings in baseball

922
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 2: this season, Clay Holmes threw more innings than Luis Everino.

923
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: Thirteen million dollars a year. Clay home, that's so funny.

924
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Turns out another really funny comment. Brian Kenny

925
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: asked him.

926
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, a great season for one,

927
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: so though like in terms of personal success, a success

928
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: in year one, team success, you know, not so much.

929
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: But like when he leaves to the off season, a

930
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: guy like that in a Migro contract, how much communication

931
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: do you guys have with him? Turns like constant communication.

932
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: We think was let him go for three months. We're

933
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: gonna see when he gets back on that.

934
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: This works. How much as this guy gets paid, We're

935
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: gonna lose track of him.

936
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: How about Soto's comments at the Player Awards too interesting too.

937
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: You're right he wants Marte back, which please not know

938
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: unless he wants to be a coach for free.

939
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: He can hang out and be a vibe. That was it.

940
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: We called Dusty Baker the cultivator of vibes. If you

941
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: want to vibes, I'm cool with d be on the

942
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: staff player Absolutely not. But what I really liked from

943
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Soda he wants Peep back too.

944
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: I love that.

945
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: So they want to have more fun together. But then

946
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: the other side of that, he again referred to Marte

947
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: as the leader of the team.

948
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Yes, well, we keep saying that.

949
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: We kind of known that the leadership has always been

950
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: a little weird with this team, not from a negative standpoint,

951
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: but Lindor Alonso Nimo and then like the pictures that

952
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: they hadn't passed, like it's never been conventional, like there's

953
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: a clear team leader, raw ra But also look around baseball, like,

954
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, Aaron Judge is so fucking good?

955
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: Is he really?

956
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Like? Do you like look at him and you're like

957
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: that guy's the leader? You feel like inspired by him?

958
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: He's just fucking sick.

959
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: Well, he's more similar, I think to the Lindor lead

960
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: by example kind of guy. Like I don't think you neither.

961
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Many teams actually have that kind of leader. Truthfully, it's

962
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: kind of the same conversation with teams, how badly you

963
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: need an ace, you know what I mean?

964
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: Like, it's funny to have that. That should go back

965
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: and forth.

966
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: It was also the narrative also, it was the funny

967
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: thing this week it was John Hayman versus Will Salmon

968
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: and you guys who side we're taking that report?

969
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Will Will Will Will Will.

970
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: Where Hayman was like metster fielding offers on Jeff McNeil.

971
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: Sam's like, well, there's no formal offers made, there's there's

972
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: preliminary interest around the league and a player who still

973
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: has Jeff McNeil's versatility and was still a plus hittered

974
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: this year.

975
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: And then we also got a little, uh, a little

977
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: craziness of the Edwin Diaz Blue Jays.

978
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: This is the perfect store.

979
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: I was shocked to see that Edwin as rumors just

980
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: on a random day, and there's like the Blue Jays

981
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: are interested because they blew blew the World Series with

982
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Hoffman.

983
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I think every team in

984
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: baseball is interested in Edwin Diaz.

985
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: He's the best closer in the game, and every team

986
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: probably should be a bid, but they also.

987
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, honestly, I bet the Rockies kind of are.

988
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: I feel I have a feeling that might be on

989
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: Edwind Diaz.

990
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: What's the first step to being a big, big time

991
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: team closing out the fucking ball game.

992
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: Can't work with that closer.

993
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: But there's always going to be this element of collusion

994
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: that goes on to fight to not be able to

995
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: find a better word. Where these teams are all dealing

996
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: with the same sets of data, they all have similar

997
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: player evaluations. It's not like the old days where someone

998
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: just blows the free agent out of the water, like

999
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: it's just kind of angels yeah, right, or.

1000
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 3: Unless you're forty five to forty seven.

1001
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: But it's like you are going to every team the

1002
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: same idea of what kind of years you're gonna give

1003
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: a guy. Like if no team's giving Edwin d has

1004
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: a five year contract, he's not getting a five year contract.

1005
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: I know he wants a five year contract.

1006
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Maybe some team gets there, but they lowered the aav

1007
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: like the same thing we're talking about Planzo where it

1008
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: feels like, especially with Edwin Diaz having the qualifying offer,

1009
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: it's like, who's.

1010
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: Really blowing this out of the water. For Edwin Diaz,

1011
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: maybe the Dodgers, that's probably it. The Dodgers the one.

1012
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: I actually don't see it likely for it all with

1013
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: Edwin Das, mostly because they just made this mistake last offseason.

1014
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: They just gave Tanners Scott a fat four year deal.

1015
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: But those two are also vastly different in their town

1016
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: hundred ceiling floor, very different. But I think the Dodgers,

1017
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: similar to the Mets or any team, are going to

1018
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: be like, we already have so much money committed to

1019
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: this bullpen, like we think we want, especially the way,

1020
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: especially the way their lineup ended the season, like the

1021
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: Dodgers couldn't fucking hit the way and the World Series ended,

1022
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: Like I think, if they have to throw money at

1023
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: a position, I think it happens in the lineup before

1024
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: it happens to their bullpen. I think the Blue Jays

1025
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: thing makes sense because I could see the Blue Jays

1026
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: tilting at the end of the offseason, and if the

1027
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: DS thing has kind of stretched out Blue Jay's missed

1028
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: on Boba shit.

1029
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: And they don't sign Kyle Tucker.

1030
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: I can see it being like fuck if if those

1031
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: parts of our team are going to say the same

1032
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: or get worse, especially if they lose bo depending who

1033
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: the second base from this speaking of total fantasy World,

1034
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: now thirtys in the Mester podcast. Now we're we're talking

1035
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: about the early February scenario where the Blue Jays have

1036
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: had another disastrous offseason after disappearance. Yeah, signed three days

1037
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: he signed back with the Mess three days before on

1038
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: a four for ninety four for ninety five. But then

1039
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: you get to the spot with Edmund Diaz with the

1040
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: like fuck, you know what, fus give them the fifth year?

1041
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Like just give them the fifth year. Who gives a

1042
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: fuck anymore? Like that is a point where that can happen.

1043
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: But there were murmurs about the edwind Diaz market moving

1044
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: quickly this week and that I think it's like only

1045
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: if it's the Mets, Like I don't think there's another

1046
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: team that's jumping out like that. It's just that city

1047
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: field for the game. I think, yeah, right, I think

1048
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: a lot got big cheer. I think a lot of

1049
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: people want freateency to move quickly, and it just won't.

1050
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 3: It just doesn't.

1051
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I want to go, where have you guys been, Like

1052
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: have you have you been paying attention to baseball? Because

1053
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: this is not a Mets problem. This is this is

1054
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: this is how baseball offseason operates. It's not the NBA,

1055
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: it's not the NFL. A deadline doesn't fix the offseason.

1056
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: If anything, that fucks you even more. Yeah, you have

1057
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: to sign by this time. Think about how it's sane

1058
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: that sounds. By the way, you have to sign a contract, and.

1059
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: People love, love that for the NBA, But I think

1060
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: there's a huge fundamental difference between baseball teams and basketball teams.

1061
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Or baseball teams of twenty six guys, basketball teams of

1062
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: like thirteen and it's like six of them matter, Yeah,

1063
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: maybe seven, eight. It's just that kind of what this

1064
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: shit always comes down to. But it's like it's going

1065
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: to take a while, and that's totally fine. Like the

1066
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: patience is a virtue with this stuff. We're gonna get

1067
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: a lot of action in the next few weeks. But

1068
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: last year, do you remember with Dave Blake's now signed,

1069
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: we kind of said that was like the one that

1070
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: started everything.

1071
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: It's gotta be what like November twentieth or like that

1072
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: of ever twenty sixth, that's Thanksgiving, Like yeah, I think

1073
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: that's because the GM meetings are the couple of days

1074
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: after that first week of December every year, so that's

1075
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: when when we start to get action.

1076
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Winter meetings, Winter meeting Sorry, this was GM meetings this

1077
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: past week, but like again, like that was all spurn

1078
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: based in the fact that the Blue Jays met with

1079
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Edwin Ds. Everyone's meeting with everybody right now, like you're

1080
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: taking you're just taking meetings right now, and it's just

1081
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: nothing else to do right now.

1082
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1083
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Whenever you guys hear reports about like a preliminary offer

1084
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: or soothe there's a merge, it's all fucking fake and

1085
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: just you can click on it. It doesn't it doesn't

1086
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: mean that the Blue Jays might not sign it being

1087
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: like definitely sign for sure, but it's just meeting.

1088
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: With the guy is like the least interesting thing I

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Speaker 3: could ever hear about.

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Speaker 2: It's all puff puff bullshit for these few weeks, like

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00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: it's just assembly. And that's why it's also funny when

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00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: like the Mets sign a minor leaguer Jackson Club gets

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00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: a minor league deal and invite the spring training and

1094
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: for some reason gets like this kind of weird outroar

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00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: backlash when like, yeah, tough Bush, I mean you a

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00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: lot of things are but everything everything just that's it.

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Speaker 1: We just get reported because they know that where such

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00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: a fabacious, ferocious fan base. We're going to click on things.

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00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: These reports know they can use the mess to kind

1100
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: of do that. That's just the game. That's the game

1101
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: is the game. Mets are the only team in baseball

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00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: signing guys that you have never heard of. Don't don't

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00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: look at what the Yankees that they signed Jovannie Cruz

1104
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: to a minor league contract, who's like had a five

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00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: yr in Double A last year. Don't look at any

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00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: other Budy, anybody else's transactions. Only the Mets signed these guys.

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00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: Mister Rowe, we were hanging out on Saturday and you

1108
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: said that's ridiculous. Just say tending it's they signed these

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00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: minor league free ages right now. Every team's doing it,

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00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: no big deal. We just do because we know we're

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00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: get clicks on. And again, like when John Hayman's like

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00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: the Mets are fielding trade offers for Jeff McNeil, who's

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00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: lining up the trade for Jeff McNeil, especially that we.

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00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Have about that he blew out his shoulder and leads

1115
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: the scoutless surgery. I'm sure teams are like that. Sounds

1116
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: like a guy that we have to have pirates signed.

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00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: A guy by the way, Dugan Darnell. Wow, you know

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00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: why Mets fans don't hear about those either, because you

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00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: don't look up the news of these other teams.

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Speaker 3: You care about his Mets news.

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00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think all these other teams have this

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00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: many fucking aggregators who are like who some of them

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00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: maybe are associated with fantasy football apps, and then they

1124
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: come out for these teams and make them sloppiest, most lazy,

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00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: bullshit horrible content in the world. And just the guy's nice,

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00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: he likes us, he likes us, not his problem, it's

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00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: the company's problem. That guy's fine, totally fine with that guy.

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00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: But it's just the fact that no, no, it's yet

1129
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Get your bag running account, make your money,

1130
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: do good, do that, but then your resume get the

1131
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: next one.

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00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: But the fact, the idea that there.

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00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: Has to be thirty of these out there, it's insane,

1134
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: just reciting slop slop slop, backing up our boy Jenni

1135
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: Metz too, this guy got the ship down his sale

1136
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: all the time for doing this, and now they're the

1137
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: same thing accounts. I see them crediting each other. That's insane.

1138
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: Yes, it's t right.

1139
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh, account X told me about Like,

1140
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: what are you guys talking about?

1141
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: Just it's it's it's kind of like what all the

1142
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: writers like tweet out, Like twenty five minutes later, Jeff

1143
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: pass will break the news and then Mark fin San's like,

1144
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Josh Naylor signs five year deal with the Marriageers source

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00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: Like great tweet bro, Like yeah, but again, everyone now

1146
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: that you make money on Twitter, get your back. No

1147
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: big deal about that.

1148
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: But it's just it's it's very funny too to watch

1149
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: all this stuff unfold at this time of year when

1150
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: there's absolutely nothing going on.

1151
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: And that's why you listen to the Mets the podcast,

1152
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: because we gave you forty five minutes talking about no

1153
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: big free agency that the Mets are gonna side, but

1154
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: pie just the guys that we had, we want them back,

1155
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna come back. And then we're like, hey,

1156
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: you know how he goes want Nace not happening unless

1157
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: his name is Teric Schooble.

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00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, sorry, I mean gain or I don't know,

1159
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: maybe Pablo, because now we've got to report that Pablo's

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00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: more available than Joe Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Cool. I take Pablo in a heartbeat, but he's probably again,

1162
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: probably really good too, probably not an ace.

1163
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you put him with another two, Nolan

1164
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: McLain and their cocoon guest. I think I think of

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00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: real life, I like Pablo more than Joe Ryan. Fancy

1166
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: baseball to take Joe Ryan over Pablo, but real life

1167
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: I probably take Pablo and Sandy over Joe Ryan.

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00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: I think that's a fair I think that's fair.

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00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm interesting to see what Joe Ryan looks like in

1170
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years, not from a like injury standpoint,

1171
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: but just like it's such a unique profile.

1172
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: How does that play? We haven't really seen that for

1173
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: an extended period of time. Would you rather Pablo or Freddy?

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00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: Ooh Freddy? Yeah? Do you say that more of just

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00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 3: because you think Freddy's a better the picture?

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00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: It was also the idea of like taking the best

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00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: picture off another and competitior.

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00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: I just think Freddy's probably a better picture. I think.

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00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: I love Pablo, but I do get a little nervous

1180
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: sometimes when you've just like been pitching the ale Central

1181
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and putting up like your career,

1182
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: like you're playing at least like damn the West, the

1183
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Royals have two major league players on their roster, like yeah, right,

1184
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: And we did our rankings on the wind up of

1185
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: current rosters, and I think the Ale Central was four

1186
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: of the bottom twenty five.

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00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: Like the roers are pitiful, really really bad in that league.

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00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: But it's nothing's happened yet. I still think a lot's

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00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: going to happen this Mets offseason. Like I think this

1190
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: team's gonna look like me. I think this team's gonna

1191
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: be very active. I think there's a good chance they

1192
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: look a lot different.

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00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: They missed the playoffs. They have to do stuff.

1194
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, every single time Sterns does one of these availabilities,

1195
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: like last season was a disappointment in many ways, one

1196
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: that we could like were shocked by. People on Twitter

1197
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: will tell you that stern is not gonna do anything different.

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00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a bad offseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they know.

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Speaker 1: Of course everybody knows, do we even know, of course, no,

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00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: we don't know anything, don't know shit. I think we're

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Speaker 1: done right, forty five minutes. We're good, We're good. We're good, guys.

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Speaker 3: Download and subscribe. You can follow James on social media

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Speaker 3: at James Ciano.

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Speaker 1: to the wind Up link will be in the description.

1209
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for watching, listening. We'll catch you all

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Speaker 1: on the next one.

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Speaker 3: Peace out.

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Speaker 1: That guy's go Mets