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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey everyone, Today we have the final interview in

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Speaker 1: our month long series with the Red Hot Chili Peppers

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Speaker 1: and celebration of their new album Unlimited Love, produced by

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin. And there's only one Chili Pepper left, mister

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Speaker 1: I eat drums for breakfast, Chad Smith. Chad has always

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Speaker 1: been a bit of an outlier in the band. He's

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Speaker 1: only member who isn't from la He's from the Motor City.

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Speaker 1: It was reared more on classic rock than punk like

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Speaker 1: the rest of the band, but Chad's an integral member

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Speaker 1: of the Peppers. His hard hitting style is the foundation

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Speaker 1: of the sound of bands known for and as we'll

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Speaker 1: hear him tell Rick, Chad fell in love with the

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Speaker 1: Chili Peppers the day he auditioned for them, close to

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Speaker 1: thirty five years ago. On today's episode, Chad and Rick

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Speaker 1: talk about the lost demo sessions that Chili Peppers recorded

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Speaker 1: nearly a year before making Blood Sugar, Sex Magic. Chad

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Speaker 1: talks about how Californication started out as what he calls

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Speaker 1: a bad reggae song, and he remembers the time he

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Speaker 1: and Flee got chased nearly naked by cops in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: This is broken record liner notes for the Digital Age.

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Speaker 1: I'm justin Mitchill. Here's Rick Rubin with Chad Smith. Hi, Rick,

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Speaker 1: what's happening main, Good morning, Good to see you. Nice

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Speaker 1: to see you as a family. Everybody's good. Everything good

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Speaker 1: on your side? Yeah, pretty good. Nice. Beckett just turned thirteen.

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Speaker 1: He's a teenager now, amazing, I know, but he's he's good.

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Speaker 1: He's playing the drums. What's that like? What's it like

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Speaker 1: seeing your kid play the drums? Yeah? You know, he

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Speaker 1: and stuff, which kind of drumming and that stuff is

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Speaker 1: when you're reading it, there's no melodic notes, but it's cool.

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Speaker 1: He teaches him. He wants to learn songs, so yesterday

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Speaker 1: he learned the whole intro to War Pigs. And I'm

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Speaker 1: that sounds like war pigs. It wasn't take on me.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't you know jump by what I'm like, that's

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Speaker 1: And he plays open handed. Rick he plays he doesn't

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Speaker 1: cross over with the high hat. He's right handed, but

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Speaker 1: But your your right hand is wide open to do.

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Speaker 1: his hat real low. I mean, it just makes sense

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Speaker 1: just second nature. I mean, Charlie's he's the king of it.

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Speaker 1: Zeppelin right well, I mean the one that I heard

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Speaker 1: at mc Yeah, that's a little dance halls. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: any confidence at all. But you know, that's just like

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Speaker 1: then obviously you have Jimmy Page and being able to

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Speaker 1: here's this is what I gotta do. And back then,

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Speaker 1: Do we know anything about Bonham's influences only from what

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Speaker 1: asked him about it. But a lot of Ohtown, like

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Speaker 1: a lot like funk stuff like that that it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: He loved Modet, I loved James Brown. He said that

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Speaker 1: his dad loved these. There's a drummer, kind of a

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Speaker 1: fusion guy named Alphonse Musants who's a fusion drummer in

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Speaker 1: the seventies, combat billy cobbum type, and he says Dad

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Speaker 1: loved those records, would play them constantly at home. More

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Speaker 1: And so we played one Battle of the Bands and

424
00:25:16,396 --> 00:25:18,916
Speaker 1: we actually won. I don't know. I mean maybe the

425
00:25:18,956 --> 00:25:21,596
Speaker 1: competition wasn't so good, but we were we were okay, Yeah,

426
00:25:21,636 --> 00:25:24,036
Speaker 1: we were pretty good. But then I had sold my

427
00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:27,156
Speaker 1: gold Sparkle and I was going through my rush phase.

428
00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:29,876
Speaker 1: So I wanted to have my Neil Piert set up

429
00:25:29,916 --> 00:25:32,756
Speaker 1: with the cow bells and all the bells and whistles

430
00:25:32,836 --> 00:25:35,476
Speaker 1: that some drummers go through. When you can sort of

431
00:25:35,556 --> 00:25:38,236
Speaker 1: play a bunch of stuff, you want to do it

432
00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:46,076
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm so glad you got rid of that, kid, Rick,

433
00:25:46,076 --> 00:25:50,116
Speaker 1: because for our lovely listeners. Rick, when we're doing sessions

434
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:54,636
Speaker 1: or whenever recording, I'll do something and and hells did

435
00:25:54,676 --> 00:25:57,436
Speaker 1: you always Chad? Did you always do that? Well? No,

436
00:25:58,876 --> 00:26:02,916
Speaker 1: maybe just a crash. That's good enough, Bob Boom say,

437
00:26:03,076 --> 00:26:05,316
Speaker 1: that's that's for the live, that's for live. You could

438
00:26:05,356 --> 00:26:07,876
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, yeah, that seems more like the live version.

439
00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:09,436
Speaker 1: You don't want to give that over and over on

440
00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:18,596
Speaker 1: a record. It's true, but as drummers, we want to

441
00:26:18,596 --> 00:26:21,716
Speaker 1: get in your lake here and there, you think, And yeah,

442
00:26:21,756 --> 00:26:25,476
Speaker 1: I learned that. But when I was in Paradise, I

443
00:26:25,676 --> 00:26:29,116
Speaker 1: was I had not I was all but look, oh

444
00:26:29,236 --> 00:26:31,476
Speaker 1: my god, I could go from all the way around

445
00:26:31,556 --> 00:26:36,036
Speaker 1: and touch them all oh Emerson Lake and Palmer Emerson

446
00:26:36,196 --> 00:26:40,556
Speaker 1: Lake and Terrible. Yeah yeah for me, Yeah so I

447
00:26:40,676 --> 00:26:43,396
Speaker 1: did that. But yeah, then you know, graduate right out

448
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,996
Speaker 1: of high school, played in a bunch of bands, and

449
00:26:46,436 --> 00:26:49,636
Speaker 1: Detroit played the all the bars six nights a week,

450
00:26:49,836 --> 00:26:52,796
Speaker 1: three sets a night. That's an interesting thing we can

451
00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:55,436
Speaker 1: talk about, is cover bands, because if I don't know

452
00:26:55,516 --> 00:26:58,196
Speaker 1: that that's something that really exists anymore. But when we

453
00:26:58,276 --> 00:26:59,636
Speaker 1: were growing up, and I don't know if it was

454
00:26:59,716 --> 00:27:02,076
Speaker 1: the case in Detroit as much as it was where

455
00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:04,036
Speaker 1: I grew up in Long Island. But there was a

456
00:27:04,156 --> 00:27:08,876
Speaker 1: whole circuit of clubs that cover bands would play at,

457
00:27:09,516 --> 00:27:12,556
Speaker 1: and they would tour around and come around, and then

458
00:27:12,836 --> 00:27:15,596
Speaker 1: certain bands kind of grew out of that, Like Twisted

459
00:27:15,636 --> 00:27:18,036
Speaker 1: Sister was a band that started that way and then

460
00:27:18,076 --> 00:27:21,756
Speaker 1: they became Twisted Sister. I think I believe Aerosmith grew

461
00:27:21,796 --> 00:27:26,596
Speaker 1: out of that world of being was a cover band yep,

462
00:27:26,956 --> 00:27:31,276
Speaker 1: but that we don't see that as much anymore. Maybe

463
00:27:31,476 --> 00:27:34,436
Speaker 1: you probably were, but that's exactly what the scene was

464
00:27:34,516 --> 00:27:38,156
Speaker 1: like in Detroit. For me, it was there were probably

465
00:27:39,316 --> 00:27:43,596
Speaker 1: seven or eight clubs in the Tri County area, and

466
00:27:43,876 --> 00:27:45,956
Speaker 1: you could it was you were a cover band. You

467
00:27:46,036 --> 00:27:49,036
Speaker 1: could sneak in your originals here and there. Not too

468
00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:50,716
Speaker 1: many you don't want to clear out the dance floor

469
00:27:50,796 --> 00:27:54,196
Speaker 1: for too long. Yeah, Yeah, that was it. We played

470
00:27:54,276 --> 00:27:57,036
Speaker 1: and there was a very vibrant circuit and there were

471
00:27:57,156 --> 00:27:59,316
Speaker 1: lots of bands that played them. Now, I'm trying to

472
00:27:59,396 --> 00:28:02,356
Speaker 1: think of any groups at that time that came out

473
00:28:02,436 --> 00:28:06,956
Speaker 1: of that that graduated to being a getting signed, a

474
00:28:07,116 --> 00:28:09,956
Speaker 1: national active, but not that I remember. But there were

475
00:28:09,996 --> 00:28:12,436
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of bands. We put out

476
00:28:12,436 --> 00:28:15,836
Speaker 1: on your own records, and you were local rock guys

477
00:28:16,676 --> 00:28:20,636
Speaker 1: and I had a band called Toby Read and we played.

478
00:28:21,236 --> 00:28:23,756
Speaker 1: Literally that's where I really got my ten thousand hours,

479
00:28:23,836 --> 00:28:25,956
Speaker 1: so to speak. I mean, it was and Rick. I

480
00:28:26,276 --> 00:28:28,716
Speaker 1: loved it. I was eighteen, right out of high school

481
00:28:28,716 --> 00:28:34,596
Speaker 1: and playing bars. I'm staying out laid girls, Beard did rock.

482
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:38,316
Speaker 1: It was like I made it. Yeah, I'm a professional musician.

483
00:28:38,596 --> 00:28:41,876
Speaker 1: I'm getting paid one hundred and sixty five dollars a week.

484
00:28:42,116 --> 00:28:45,836
Speaker 1: At eighteen, I was living at home. Yeah, at eighteen

485
00:28:45,916 --> 00:28:48,876
Speaker 1: in the eighties, it was a lot of money. It

486
00:28:49,156 --> 00:28:52,636
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, I was like this. Did I want

487
00:28:52,676 --> 00:28:54,996
Speaker 1: to be in led Zeppe? Of course, but like this

488
00:28:55,356 --> 00:28:57,556
Speaker 1: is like, this is what I wanted to do. And

489
00:28:57,716 --> 00:29:02,076
Speaker 1: it beat having any other job. Oh kidding me. Those

490
00:29:02,476 --> 00:29:08,316
Speaker 1: stiffs working, they have to get up. I'm sleeping till three. Yeah. Yeah,

491
00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:13,836
Speaker 1: but I never you never looked back? Did you know? There? Ever? Know?

492
00:29:13,996 --> 00:29:16,636
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time though? I never got a job? Yeah,

493
00:29:16,716 --> 00:29:21,356
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I couldn't. Yeah, I understand, I couldn't. I

494
00:29:21,796 --> 00:29:26,036
Speaker 1: there's nothing else that I'm remotely good at. Yeah, I mean,

495
00:29:26,196 --> 00:29:28,796
Speaker 1: and I luckily, like we've been talking, I found my

496
00:29:28,956 --> 00:29:32,596
Speaker 1: passion at seven or eight, and I like I did

497
00:29:32,636 --> 00:29:35,116
Speaker 1: other things. I did sports and stuff, but I no

498
00:29:35,196 --> 00:29:38,476
Speaker 1: one was making me go play music or play the drums.

499
00:29:38,556 --> 00:29:42,036
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I loved it. And that's so lucky,

500
00:29:42,236 --> 00:29:46,356
Speaker 1: I mean amazing. You know, my kids they like stuff,

501
00:29:47,036 --> 00:29:49,556
Speaker 1: but they don't have a real focus shit. And that's fine.

502
00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:52,956
Speaker 1: Everybody will find their path. But I found it early. Man.

503
00:29:53,036 --> 00:29:55,236
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I lucked out in that way one

504
00:29:55,316 --> 00:29:58,676
Speaker 1: hundred percent. And I was happy doing it, you know.

505
00:29:58,876 --> 00:30:01,596
Speaker 1: And then eight years went by, and then the guys

506
00:30:01,636 --> 00:30:03,516
Speaker 1: in my group were getting a little bit older, and

507
00:30:03,596 --> 00:30:06,436
Speaker 1: they're married, and they got little houses, and they were

508
00:30:06,476 --> 00:30:10,156
Speaker 1: still kind of plugging along. Thanks up, things went down,

509
00:30:10,396 --> 00:30:12,316
Speaker 1: you know, had a record come out and da da da,

510
00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:16,476
Speaker 1: and and at a certain point, I was like, I

511
00:30:16,676 --> 00:30:18,996
Speaker 1: probably got to make a move. I gotta go to

512
00:30:19,116 --> 00:30:21,596
Speaker 1: where the music is. No one's gonna come to the

513
00:30:21,716 --> 00:30:24,476
Speaker 1: side Street lounge in Lincoln Park and go, oh, you're

514
00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:28,076
Speaker 1: the drummer firm Guns of Roses or whatever. Yeah, you know,

515
00:30:28,476 --> 00:30:31,556
Speaker 1: one's gonna happen. So it was either New York or La.

516
00:30:31,836 --> 00:30:34,316
Speaker 1: I had some friends that had moved to La. La

517
00:30:34,436 --> 00:30:36,796
Speaker 1: is much warmer. I'd had enough of the cold weather,

518
00:30:38,116 --> 00:30:41,916
Speaker 1: and you know, Sunset Strip was going off and MTV

519
00:30:42,156 --> 00:30:43,836
Speaker 1: and like I said, the Guns of Roses is and

520
00:30:43,916 --> 00:30:46,996
Speaker 1: all that, and I was like, I'm gonna go there

521
00:30:47,196 --> 00:30:50,636
Speaker 1: see what happens. And what year was at nineteen eighty eight.

522
00:30:50,756 --> 00:30:55,476
Speaker 1: August of nineteen eighty eight, packed up to Beverly Hill

523
00:30:55,556 --> 00:31:00,476
Speaker 1: Billies and drove across country with my brother, God bless him,

524
00:31:01,076 --> 00:31:04,596
Speaker 1: who lived in San Francisco, and I slept on my

525
00:31:04,716 --> 00:31:07,836
Speaker 1: friend's couch and that was August and I joined the

526
00:31:07,956 --> 00:31:10,996
Speaker 1: Chili Peppers into Snuber of that year, like six months later.

527
00:31:11,796 --> 00:31:13,596
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here, but we'll

528
00:31:13,596 --> 00:31:16,236
Speaker 1: be right back with more from Chad Smith and Rick Rubin.

529
00:31:20,556 --> 00:31:23,476
Speaker 1: We're back with more of Rick Rubin's conversation with Chad Smith.

530
00:31:24,156 --> 00:31:26,316
Speaker 1: What's the first time you ever heard of the Chili Peppers?

531
00:31:26,956 --> 00:31:29,916
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, George did George Clinton did their

532
00:31:29,996 --> 00:31:33,356
Speaker 1: second record in Detroit, and I was in another band

533
00:31:33,436 --> 00:31:37,476
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, and the percussionist from that group

534
00:31:37,596 --> 00:31:40,756
Speaker 1: was Larry for Tangela, who was a percussionist for p Funk.

535
00:31:41,796 --> 00:31:46,076
Speaker 1: So he played on Freaky STYLI Wow. He played percussion

536
00:31:46,396 --> 00:31:48,116
Speaker 1: on some of the songs I'm Freaky Stall and I

537
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:51,276
Speaker 1: would see Larry from time to time and he and

538
00:31:51,436 --> 00:31:55,636
Speaker 1: so probably eighty seven we were hanging out and I said,

539
00:31:55,636 --> 00:31:57,516
Speaker 1: what you want, what you've been doing? I did this

540
00:31:57,636 --> 00:32:01,156
Speaker 1: session for George. He's crazy kids from California and Da

541
00:32:01,196 --> 00:32:02,996
Speaker 1: da Da da day. You might like it. And he

542
00:32:03,116 --> 00:32:05,396
Speaker 1: played me some of it and I was like, oh,

543
00:32:05,476 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 1: this is cool. Yeah, you know, pretty good. And that

544
00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:10,916
Speaker 1: was it. That was my That was yeah, first, the

545
00:32:11,036 --> 00:32:14,436
Speaker 1: first that came to my radar. Later, I had some

546
00:32:14,596 --> 00:32:18,636
Speaker 1: friends that that we were definitely loved at Chili Pepper,

547
00:32:18,796 --> 00:32:21,316
Speaker 1: my friend Nut Cole who actually kind of got me

548
00:32:21,396 --> 00:32:24,556
Speaker 1: the gig. And this was still in Detroit or no,

549
00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:28,236
Speaker 1: you're already, Yeah it was. It was still in Detroit. Yeah,

550
00:32:28,316 --> 00:32:31,156
Speaker 1: I was still in Detroit towards yet. So probably sometime

551
00:32:31,236 --> 00:32:33,476
Speaker 1: in eighty eight he went and saw them at a

552
00:32:33,516 --> 00:32:37,596
Speaker 1: club in Detroit and he told me about it. He

553
00:32:37,716 --> 00:32:40,236
Speaker 1: loved it, and he was, you know, he was pretty crazy.

554
00:32:40,316 --> 00:32:43,596
Speaker 1: And I got on stage like six times and was

555
00:32:43,836 --> 00:32:46,436
Speaker 1: diving at Saint Andrew's you know that kind of stuff.

556
00:32:47,196 --> 00:32:50,236
Speaker 1: And they had like Anthony had like coffee cups on

557
00:32:50,396 --> 00:32:53,476
Speaker 1: his like jacket. It was so weird and stuff like that.

558
00:32:53,516 --> 00:32:57,036
Speaker 1: I was like really okay, but again like not, I

559
00:32:57,116 --> 00:32:59,476
Speaker 1: didn't have any records anything. Oh the guys with the

560
00:32:59,556 --> 00:33:02,276
Speaker 1: socks on their dicks, Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah, okay, great.

561
00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:05,356
Speaker 1: And when I that's when the call came to do it.

562
00:33:05,436 --> 00:33:06,916
Speaker 1: I was like, do they have a record deal? And

563
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,596
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I'm a great I'll try out for that. Great.

564
00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:13,876
Speaker 1: That's all that mattered to me. But he was like,

565
00:33:14,276 --> 00:33:17,676
Speaker 1: you will love this. They are just you will you

566
00:33:17,756 --> 00:33:21,516
Speaker 1: will love this. There they just do it all. It's hard,

567
00:33:21,596 --> 00:33:25,396
Speaker 1: it's great. It's this. It's that they're crazy, you know, Okay,

568
00:33:26,156 --> 00:33:29,676
Speaker 1: And and that was it. It's it's interesting for a

569
00:33:29,836 --> 00:33:32,836
Speaker 1: band that has a reputation or at least had a

570
00:33:32,876 --> 00:33:37,836
Speaker 1: reputation of being so crazy, the level of musicianship is

571
00:33:37,996 --> 00:33:42,916
Speaker 1: so high compared to anybody else. Yeah, well that you

572
00:33:42,996 --> 00:33:44,916
Speaker 1: know what. That's that's one of the things that that

573
00:33:45,436 --> 00:33:48,036
Speaker 1: I was somewhat taken aback when I when I for

574
00:33:48,116 --> 00:33:51,516
Speaker 1: the first audition. There's this place in Silver like I'm

575
00:33:51,556 --> 00:33:53,716
Speaker 1: sure it's no longer called Holly Gully, which is a

576
00:33:53,796 --> 00:34:00,676
Speaker 1: little rehearsal place. And the woman Denise Zoom, Billy Zoom's

577
00:34:00,796 --> 00:34:07,036
Speaker 1: ex wife, you know, connect the dots here was going

578
00:34:07,116 --> 00:34:09,876
Speaker 1: out some way. They were friendly with my friend Nut,

579
00:34:10,196 --> 00:34:13,516
Speaker 1: who had told me about the Chili Peppers in California.

580
00:34:14,716 --> 00:34:17,796
Speaker 1: Denise knew John for Chante and so she knew the

581
00:34:17,876 --> 00:34:21,716
Speaker 1: Chili Peppers were looking for a drummer. And so Newt

582
00:34:21,876 --> 00:34:25,796
Speaker 1: told Denise, I got your guys from Detroit. He eats

583
00:34:25,916 --> 00:34:28,836
Speaker 1: drums for breakfast. This is what she told Denise, who

584
00:34:28,916 --> 00:34:33,116
Speaker 1: told John. So I show up to Holily and I'm

585
00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:35,516
Speaker 1: bringing in my drums, and I got my long hair

586
00:34:35,796 --> 00:34:39,156
Speaker 1: and my bad dan. You remember the look, yes, and

587
00:34:39,396 --> 00:34:42,236
Speaker 1: and and this is nineteen eighty eight, and you know,

588
00:34:42,476 --> 00:34:45,916
Speaker 1: cut off shorts and the other guys at this point,

589
00:34:46,196 --> 00:34:48,876
Speaker 1: I'm gonna they were very you know, the aesthetic was important.

590
00:34:48,956 --> 00:34:50,836
Speaker 1: You know, you had to have the right mohawk and

591
00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:54,236
Speaker 1: haircutt and tattoos, and you know, they didn't really like

592
00:34:54,436 --> 00:34:57,836
Speaker 1: the sunset strip kind of thing. And I'm coming with

593
00:34:57,996 --> 00:35:00,196
Speaker 1: my Detroit rock thing. They're like, oh, get this guy

594
00:35:00,276 --> 00:35:04,156
Speaker 1: out of here. Oh and I'm like sixty three and

595
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:08,116
Speaker 1: they're not six three. It'd be like the Mods and

596
00:35:08,156 --> 00:35:10,916
Speaker 1: the Rockers. You know. It was just like a different yeah,

597
00:35:11,156 --> 00:35:16,796
Speaker 1: different in group, you know, different right Sharks and the jets. Yeah, yeah,

598
00:35:17,476 --> 00:35:20,556
Speaker 1: a little bit, but still in under the same umbrella,

599
00:35:21,116 --> 00:35:25,676
Speaker 1: and so Flee says, is that your breakfast? And I'm

600
00:35:25,716 --> 00:35:28,996
Speaker 1: like what, So I bring my drums in. We set

601
00:35:29,116 --> 00:35:34,316
Speaker 1: up and remember John was eighteen at the time, Young

602
00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:37,116
Speaker 1: John for shot with a big, long black mohawk and

603
00:35:37,196 --> 00:35:41,476
Speaker 1: a Steve vyge I've been as guitar. And Anthony was there.

604
00:35:41,796 --> 00:35:45,196
Speaker 1: Everybody was there, and Michael Beinhorn, who had produced Uplift

605
00:35:45,356 --> 00:35:48,636
Speaker 1: the record before Mother's Milk, was there as well. You know,

606
00:35:48,756 --> 00:35:50,996
Speaker 1: he was just hanging in the back. So I set

607
00:35:51,076 --> 00:35:55,196
Speaker 1: up and we started playing and and everything was fast

608
00:35:55,236 --> 00:36:01,196
Speaker 1: and hard. Everything was popping in fast and super fast.

609
00:36:01,356 --> 00:36:03,356
Speaker 1: James Brown on speed and I was like, these guys

610
00:36:03,396 --> 00:36:08,836
Speaker 1: are good. Wow. Yeah. I was like yeah, So I'm

611
00:36:09,196 --> 00:36:11,636
Speaker 1: get in and like I'm I'm like going for it

612
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:14,436
Speaker 1: and then I'm like double timing and they're like whoa

613
00:36:15,156 --> 00:36:17,436
Speaker 1: and that and that was the first time. Remember he

614
00:36:17,996 --> 00:36:20,436
Speaker 1: was like, no, all the other drummers we kind of

615
00:36:20,516 --> 00:36:22,436
Speaker 1: led them. You were kind of like leading us. And

616
00:36:22,516 --> 00:36:24,516
Speaker 1: I was like, I was just going for it. This

617
00:36:24,676 --> 00:36:27,716
Speaker 1: is fun. It was fun. And Anthony was running around.

618
00:36:27,836 --> 00:36:31,036
Speaker 1: We were just jamming and he was laughing his hats off,

619
00:36:32,196 --> 00:36:35,836
Speaker 1: like I'm like, what's so funny? But he was just

620
00:36:35,996 --> 00:36:39,196
Speaker 1: Hee's thought it was so ridiculous, like what was happening musically?

621
00:36:39,276 --> 00:36:42,156
Speaker 1: It was this big explosion and he was just like

622
00:36:42,316 --> 00:36:45,836
Speaker 1: he was just and then Bine, I was just sitting

623
00:36:45,836 --> 00:36:48,716
Speaker 1: in the corner. We jam and it was great, and

624
00:36:49,596 --> 00:36:51,996
Speaker 1: we might have even done higher Ground or something. So

625
00:36:52,356 --> 00:36:54,396
Speaker 1: because we're trying to do something, I didn't really know

626
00:36:54,436 --> 00:36:57,516
Speaker 1: any of their songs. I listened to the cassette tape

627
00:36:58,196 --> 00:37:00,116
Speaker 1: to Long Ago. It was in the car. This is

628
00:37:00,156 --> 00:37:02,116
Speaker 1: how much I put into it. I probably should have

629
00:37:02,156 --> 00:37:04,996
Speaker 1: been a little more prepared. I waited until the parking

630
00:37:05,116 --> 00:37:09,516
Speaker 1: lot and my cassetting of the Abbey Road be and

631
00:37:09,556 --> 00:37:13,436
Speaker 1: I went, okay, and that's cool, funky crime, Okay, I

632
00:37:13,476 --> 00:37:15,836
Speaker 1: could do that. They do Fireben Jim Hendrix. I haven't

633
00:37:15,836 --> 00:37:18,436
Speaker 1: done that with Rock and Conspiracy. And then and then

634
00:37:18,476 --> 00:37:20,356
Speaker 1: a couple of their songs fight like a Brave. So

635
00:37:20,516 --> 00:37:22,076
Speaker 1: I went in and I was like, all right, you know,

636
00:37:22,476 --> 00:37:25,196
Speaker 1: we'll see what happened. If they were this big, you know,

637
00:37:25,316 --> 00:37:27,276
Speaker 1: famous band, I probably would have been, oh, you know,

638
00:37:27,756 --> 00:37:30,356
Speaker 1: more nervous or did more homework. But I was kind

639
00:37:30,396 --> 00:37:34,516
Speaker 1: of going in and so we're jamming and John breaks

640
00:37:34,556 --> 00:37:40,076
Speaker 1: the string and I've never seen anyone changes string faster

641
00:37:40,356 --> 00:37:44,156
Speaker 1: in my life. So it was a guitar and I

642
00:37:44,316 --> 00:37:48,076
Speaker 1: was just like, whoa, he just didn't want to miss

643
00:37:48,076 --> 00:37:53,996
Speaker 1: out on the jam. Wow. Yeah, we were just it

644
00:37:54,196 --> 00:37:57,396
Speaker 1: was it was really guys so long ago. It's amazing.

645
00:37:57,956 --> 00:38:00,836
Speaker 1: But we planned we play a couple of their songs

646
00:38:00,916 --> 00:38:04,476
Speaker 1: and then I leave. They thank man, you know, we'll

647
00:38:04,556 --> 00:38:09,396
Speaker 1: call you typical stuff, and bine Horn went to two

648
00:38:09,396 --> 00:38:12,276
Speaker 1: guys and they were like, what are you thinking. He goes,

649
00:38:12,756 --> 00:38:19,116
Speaker 1: that's your guy. They're like what the hair or the

650
00:38:19,276 --> 00:38:24,796
Speaker 1: thing and the what that's your guy? Yea byin horn Boom,

651
00:38:24,916 --> 00:38:28,676
Speaker 1: who notoriously hard on drummers. He'll replace the drummer out

652
00:38:28,716 --> 00:38:30,516
Speaker 1: of a band, and sat, I know he's called me,

653
00:38:30,996 --> 00:38:33,996
Speaker 1: and um he was like telling you if that's the

654
00:38:34,076 --> 00:38:37,316
Speaker 1: guy and answers, I don't know, no, Fleet was Plea

655
00:38:37,436 --> 00:38:39,596
Speaker 1: was kind of on board. I think John was on board,

656
00:38:39,996 --> 00:38:45,076
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, so I remember how

657
00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:47,556
Speaker 1: long it went by a couple of weeks maybe, and

658
00:38:47,676 --> 00:38:50,156
Speaker 1: they left the messages again. Nineteen eighty eight. On my

659
00:38:50,276 --> 00:38:55,116
Speaker 1: answering machine at the house, I was staying at uh

660
00:38:55,676 --> 00:38:58,516
Speaker 1: it's fleeing Ant and even Peppers. Yeah, if you want,

661
00:38:58,636 --> 00:39:00,276
Speaker 1: we want you in the band, but you have to

662
00:39:00,316 --> 00:39:04,916
Speaker 1: shave your head. We'll see you on Monday. I'm not

663
00:39:05,156 --> 00:39:09,676
Speaker 1: shaving my head. These beautiful Detroit locks I've been working

664
00:39:09,756 --> 00:39:13,116
Speaker 1: out since the eighties. Yeah, so I but you wish

665
00:39:13,196 --> 00:39:16,876
Speaker 1: you still had them. I wear a week the other

666
00:39:16,956 --> 00:39:19,196
Speaker 1: day for the video we did for These Other Ways,

667
00:39:19,596 --> 00:39:22,196
Speaker 1: I was like, I haven't had the bank since eighty four,

668
00:39:23,636 --> 00:39:26,636
Speaker 1: long ago, and so I'm like, I'm not fucking shaving

669
00:39:26,716 --> 00:39:28,836
Speaker 1: my head from the Are these guys so I shoved

670
00:39:28,876 --> 00:39:32,356
Speaker 1: and who don't shave head? I'm like, no, They're like, okay,

671
00:39:32,396 --> 00:39:40,316
Speaker 1: we respect that. So from the from the first time

672
00:39:40,356 --> 00:39:45,436
Speaker 1: you played with them, forgetting the stylistic difference, were they

673
00:39:46,156 --> 00:39:50,756
Speaker 1: different than everyone you've ever played with before. Yes, it

674
00:39:50,996 --> 00:39:54,836
Speaker 1: was really intense, like as soon as we started playing,

675
00:39:54,876 --> 00:39:56,716
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was like they were like,

676
00:39:57,796 --> 00:39:59,956
Speaker 1: you know, you're fishing and you go, we gotta we

677
00:40:00,076 --> 00:40:02,356
Speaker 1: gotta one on the line kind of thing. I don't

678
00:40:02,476 --> 00:40:06,276
Speaker 1: know if it was like because I was bringing it

679
00:40:06,396 --> 00:40:09,716
Speaker 1: and equaling the energy kind of thing or not, if

680
00:40:09,756 --> 00:40:12,676
Speaker 1: they'd play like that all the time. I didn't. I

681
00:40:12,836 --> 00:40:14,996
Speaker 1: had no idea. I'd never played with these guys. I didn't.

682
00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:17,316
Speaker 1: I don't even think that there was no television thing

683
00:40:17,396 --> 00:40:19,836
Speaker 1: of them, you know that I knew of. I mean,

684
00:40:20,436 --> 00:40:23,876
Speaker 1: sure it was a video, but like, no, it was

685
00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:30,236
Speaker 1: I mean Flee was really why? Wow? Yes, No, I

686
00:40:30,516 --> 00:40:35,036
Speaker 1: never heard that that was very unique. Never heard that that.

687
00:40:35,196 --> 00:40:39,916
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, yeah, this is funning great. I

688
00:40:40,036 --> 00:40:42,876
Speaker 1: could do this all day. You'd say it was a

689
00:40:42,956 --> 00:40:47,076
Speaker 1: great experience. Yeah, oh yeah, I was. I wanted to

690
00:40:47,156 --> 00:40:49,956
Speaker 1: be in the band badly. Yeah. Yeah, it was hard,

691
00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:53,636
Speaker 1: but it was like groovy and soulful. It wasn't metal

692
00:40:53,956 --> 00:40:56,556
Speaker 1: was but it was like I could see that, like

693
00:40:56,876 --> 00:40:59,796
Speaker 1: it had the possibility even back then when everything was

694
00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:02,636
Speaker 1: we were kind of still going pretty hard. Like they

695
00:41:02,716 --> 00:41:06,516
Speaker 1: had good musical taste, you know, just from a little

696
00:41:06,516 --> 00:41:08,236
Speaker 1: bit that we talked and what kind of music do

697
00:41:08,316 --> 00:41:11,596
Speaker 1: you like and that kind of stuff, And yeah, definitely

698
00:41:11,676 --> 00:41:14,516
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not Toby red and detroited,

699
00:41:14,836 --> 00:41:17,676
Speaker 1: this is not this is like something else. Yeah. And

700
00:41:17,876 --> 00:41:22,516
Speaker 1: even at eighteen, was John fully formed as John No

701
00:41:23,476 --> 00:41:26,436
Speaker 1: to me, and he would I would say this if

702
00:41:26,476 --> 00:41:28,316
Speaker 1: he was sitting next to me. I think that that

703
00:41:29,276 --> 00:41:31,756
Speaker 1: d Hot Chili Peppers was his favorite band, and so

704
00:41:32,556 --> 00:41:35,556
Speaker 1: at eighteen, I think he was kind of more emulating

705
00:41:35,676 --> 00:41:39,036
Speaker 1: what he thought a Chili Pepper guitar player should be,

706
00:41:39,236 --> 00:41:43,956
Speaker 1: maybe as in Allah Hellela, And there was definitely some

707
00:41:44,156 --> 00:41:46,356
Speaker 1: of that and he and I've heard him say, I

708
00:41:46,436 --> 00:41:49,276
Speaker 1: know he would say that. So not until Rick we started,

709
00:41:49,436 --> 00:41:52,396
Speaker 1: I would say, writing for Blood Sugar, and we had

710
00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:55,236
Speaker 1: toured and we were a band and we were pretty

711
00:41:55,276 --> 00:41:58,316
Speaker 1: solid by then. And once we started writing for the

712
00:41:58,356 --> 00:42:02,796
Speaker 1: Blood Sugar stuff, then I heard Then I started to

713
00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:06,076
Speaker 1: hear what would as we know as John, you know,

714
00:42:06,276 --> 00:42:10,036
Speaker 1: more melodic, his own voice, and he just maturity, just

715
00:42:10,116 --> 00:42:12,476
Speaker 1: grew up, you know a little bit, and and figured

716
00:42:12,516 --> 00:42:14,916
Speaker 1: it out and wanted to do his own thing and

717
00:42:15,476 --> 00:42:18,076
Speaker 1: become his own, his own musician. So yeah, I think

718
00:42:18,116 --> 00:42:22,196
Speaker 1: he was. I mean, he had the facility, but he

719
00:42:22,316 --> 00:42:24,756
Speaker 1: didn't have his voice yet. Makes sense. It makes sense

720
00:42:24,836 --> 00:42:28,116
Speaker 1: also age wise, like didn't have enough experience for for

721
00:42:28,236 --> 00:42:30,116
Speaker 1: it to be you never been in a band before, Yeah,

722
00:42:30,956 --> 00:42:32,756
Speaker 1: never been in a band eighteen years old, joined your

723
00:42:32,796 --> 00:42:37,916
Speaker 1: favorite band, Yeah, you play like you're in the band, yeah, exactly.

724
00:42:38,316 --> 00:42:40,596
Speaker 1: Whereas I just kind of, you know, i'd had a

725
00:42:40,636 --> 00:42:43,596
Speaker 1: lot of experience, and I just kind of did me yeah,

726
00:42:43,716 --> 00:42:47,396
Speaker 1: and you know, but but I wasn't. I don't think it.

727
00:42:47,636 --> 00:42:49,476
Speaker 1: And this right around the same time. That's why I

728
00:42:49,516 --> 00:42:52,436
Speaker 1: think but Sugar is such a special special record is

729
00:42:52,516 --> 00:42:55,676
Speaker 1: that that was the first time that I felt like, Okay, this,

730
00:42:56,036 --> 00:42:59,596
Speaker 1: this sounds this more, has more of a personality to it.

731
00:43:00,116 --> 00:43:03,076
Speaker 1: This sounds like you know, the whole band obviously, but

732
00:43:03,636 --> 00:43:06,116
Speaker 1: that sounds more like me when I hear myself, But

733
00:43:06,276 --> 00:43:07,636
Speaker 1: that sounds like me. And that was, you know, the

734
00:43:07,676 --> 00:43:09,676
Speaker 1: way it was recorded in the songs and everything, and

735
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:13,396
Speaker 1: other people playing along as well, But like, okay, that

736
00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:16,716
Speaker 1: felt like often you come back in the control room

737
00:43:16,756 --> 00:43:19,076
Speaker 1: and you're like that, I don't know, that doesn't sound

738
00:43:19,116 --> 00:43:22,596
Speaker 1: anything like what I thought it was gonna be. It happens,

739
00:43:23,116 --> 00:43:25,756
Speaker 1: but you would walk in and go, shit, that sounds

740
00:43:25,916 --> 00:43:29,476
Speaker 1: fucking better. Yeah. It's amazing when it happens. Right, When

741
00:43:29,636 --> 00:43:31,596
Speaker 1: when you can play something and then you play, you

742
00:43:31,716 --> 00:43:35,596
Speaker 1: hear it back and you're surprised by how good it is. Ah,

743
00:43:36,076 --> 00:43:40,036
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Nothing better, nothing better, nothing better. Then you're

744
00:43:40,196 --> 00:43:42,636
Speaker 1: then you're way ahead of the game. Yeah. No, And

745
00:43:42,796 --> 00:43:45,996
Speaker 1: we've had that experience many many times you know me

746
00:43:46,116 --> 00:43:48,636
Speaker 1: and you, but like, yeah, that was a magic that

747
00:43:48,796 --> 00:43:50,876
Speaker 1: was that was a magical time for sure. Well, people

748
00:43:50,916 --> 00:43:53,116
Speaker 1: often act like what's your favorite chili peppers? Bickon and

749
00:43:53,636 --> 00:43:58,516
Speaker 1: often because of many things and probably sentimentally thirty years ago,

750
00:43:59,036 --> 00:44:04,116
Speaker 1: but us really finding our thing, yeah and working with you.

751
00:44:04,996 --> 00:44:07,556
Speaker 1: There's an interesting story about that album that we'd never

752
00:44:07,676 --> 00:44:11,036
Speaker 1: talk about, but it's interesting, which is the band was

753
00:44:11,236 --> 00:44:16,436
Speaker 1: leaving their label and moving to another label, and we

754
00:44:16,596 --> 00:44:20,316
Speaker 1: were originally planning on recording i think almost a year

755
00:44:20,516 --> 00:44:23,876
Speaker 1: earlier than we did close to it, but because of

756
00:44:23,996 --> 00:44:29,076
Speaker 1: the switchin labels, we couldn't record. We weren't allowed yet

757
00:44:29,156 --> 00:44:32,956
Speaker 1: to record the album, and instead of it being a

758
00:44:33,116 --> 00:44:36,076
Speaker 1: negative of oh, we're going to get stale waiting a year,

759
00:44:37,276 --> 00:44:40,676
Speaker 1: we kept writing and we continued and we ended up

760
00:44:40,716 --> 00:44:44,116
Speaker 1: writing essentially, you know, more than two three albums worth

761
00:44:44,156 --> 00:44:48,556
Speaker 1: of material that may not have happened had it not

762
00:44:48,756 --> 00:44:52,396
Speaker 1: been for that, And because of that experience and because

763
00:44:52,436 --> 00:44:55,676
Speaker 1: it went so well, that's been more the model that

764
00:44:55,876 --> 00:44:58,356
Speaker 1: the band has used ever since, where we tend to

765
00:44:58,476 --> 00:45:03,476
Speaker 1: write way more than an album material. Yea, And in

766
00:45:03,676 --> 00:45:07,556
Speaker 1: some ways, if you record four albums of material and

767
00:45:07,636 --> 00:45:09,796
Speaker 1: then picking the best of that for your one album.

768
00:45:10,556 --> 00:45:12,396
Speaker 1: It's going to be that much better. It has to be.

769
00:45:12,636 --> 00:45:15,036
Speaker 1: It's just the odds of it have to be better.

770
00:45:15,596 --> 00:45:19,476
Speaker 1: So again, not through any decision of our own. Really,

771
00:45:19,556 --> 00:45:24,396
Speaker 1: the conditions set up something for us to really overwrite

772
00:45:25,116 --> 00:45:27,796
Speaker 1: in a way that we might not have and it

773
00:45:27,996 --> 00:45:32,236
Speaker 1: ended up becoming part of the playbook now forever. That's right. Yeah,

774
00:45:32,516 --> 00:45:38,196
Speaker 1: we were contractually still em i'd and I mean we wrote,

775
00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,436
Speaker 1: I know for sure we wrote, but the song blood Sugar,

776
00:45:40,516 --> 00:45:44,116
Speaker 1: Sex Magic was was definitely after so Psycho was not

777
00:45:44,316 --> 00:45:46,996
Speaker 1: fully formed even till we got into the studio. I

778
00:45:46,996 --> 00:45:49,956
Speaker 1: remember Anthony still working out I mean musically we had

779
00:45:49,996 --> 00:45:53,996
Speaker 1: to kind of get it all arranged. That was. I

780
00:45:54,076 --> 00:45:57,076
Speaker 1: don't even know if that was around or an idea

781
00:45:57,236 --> 00:45:58,956
Speaker 1: it might have been, but it was, it wouldn't have

782
00:45:59,036 --> 00:46:03,236
Speaker 1: gotten finished. Yeah, and you were just like keep writing.

783
00:46:03,356 --> 00:46:05,116
Speaker 1: We're like no, no, we we got we got twelve,

784
00:46:05,156 --> 00:46:08,236
Speaker 1: We're good, no, no, no, keep keeping you never know,

785
00:46:08,636 --> 00:46:11,636
Speaker 1: you never know, And lots of times, as we both know,

786
00:46:11,796 --> 00:46:16,356
Speaker 1: the best shit comes at the end. Yeah, unexpectedly for us.

787
00:46:16,876 --> 00:46:19,876
Speaker 1: What I've noticed is that you just keep writing until

788
00:46:20,596 --> 00:46:23,356
Speaker 1: you're written out, whether wherever that is. You know what,

789
00:46:24,036 --> 00:46:28,076
Speaker 1: when the song stop being good, that's the time to stop.

790
00:46:28,156 --> 00:46:30,156
Speaker 1: But not before that. If the last song you wrote

791
00:46:30,236 --> 00:46:33,236
Speaker 1: was your best song, you gotta keep writing because the

792
00:46:33,316 --> 00:46:37,076
Speaker 1: well's not you know, you're because they won't always be flowing.

793
00:46:37,196 --> 00:46:38,996
Speaker 1: That's the other part of it. It's like we never know.

794
00:46:39,196 --> 00:46:42,956
Speaker 1: So when they're flowing, get them all, get them all,

795
00:46:43,036 --> 00:46:46,076
Speaker 1: because no years later when it's time to do it again,

796
00:46:46,756 --> 00:46:48,956
Speaker 1: who knows if they're going to be flowing, and they

797
00:46:49,036 --> 00:46:52,076
Speaker 1: won't be those same songs, right, you know it'll you'll

798
00:46:52,156 --> 00:46:55,596
Speaker 1: never get those again. So it's the only chance to

799
00:46:55,876 --> 00:47:00,836
Speaker 1: to to go mining, you know. And I love that,

800
00:47:01,396 --> 00:47:04,836
Speaker 1: and you can you can think, ah, that's it, I

801
00:47:05,156 --> 00:47:08,796
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, that's that's all that. I can't do

802
00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:12,996
Speaker 1: any thing after that. That's that's just that's it. I'm dry. No,

803
00:47:13,356 --> 00:47:18,156
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, no, it actually that's probably

804
00:47:18,276 --> 00:47:22,916
Speaker 1: sparked something else that will make something probably that you

805
00:47:22,996 --> 00:47:25,916
Speaker 1: didn't think you could do. And I've seen that many

806
00:47:26,036 --> 00:47:29,396
Speaker 1: times and and that's a that's a beautiful thing. But

807
00:47:29,876 --> 00:47:32,676
Speaker 1: rick you know that you have to have someone that can, like,

808
00:47:33,556 --> 00:47:36,076
Speaker 1: you know, point that out and be like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

809
00:47:36,636 --> 00:47:40,036
Speaker 1: keep going and then almost like doing takes, you do three,

810
00:47:40,636 --> 00:47:44,356
Speaker 1: four and then number five and you're like, hmmm, I

811
00:47:44,516 --> 00:47:48,756
Speaker 1: think we've hit the wall. Yeah, yeah, it's not getting back. Yeah,

812
00:47:48,836 --> 00:47:51,756
Speaker 1: let's yeah, let's either take a break, take a break,

813
00:47:51,876 --> 00:47:55,036
Speaker 1: or come back to it another time. Because it rarely

814
00:47:55,156 --> 00:47:58,516
Speaker 1: turns around once once it you know, once it goes

815
00:47:58,636 --> 00:48:01,676
Speaker 1: up and peaks and then starts going the other way,

816
00:48:02,236 --> 00:48:05,356
Speaker 1: very difficult to recover. Do you find that be the

817
00:48:05,476 --> 00:48:08,676
Speaker 1: case working with other people as well? Everybody, everybody with everybody,

818
00:48:09,156 --> 00:48:11,596
Speaker 1: but see the Beatles would do fucking sixty eight. I

819
00:48:11,676 --> 00:48:13,956
Speaker 1: know they're writing it and arranging it while they're doing it.

820
00:48:14,036 --> 00:48:16,756
Speaker 1: They're not full takes, but like I read stuff about

821
00:48:16,756 --> 00:48:18,796
Speaker 1: it and they're like, yeah, we used you know, the

822
00:48:18,916 --> 00:48:22,196
Speaker 1: basic track was take thirty four or something. Yeah. But

823
00:48:22,356 --> 00:48:25,116
Speaker 1: they also that was happening also really quickly, because their

824
00:48:25,156 --> 00:48:28,476
Speaker 1: sessions were so short and the songs had just been written,

825
00:48:28,676 --> 00:48:31,876
Speaker 1: like the week before the song was written. The band

826
00:48:32,076 --> 00:48:36,516
Speaker 1: had never heard the songs before they started recording. Only

827
00:48:36,876 --> 00:48:40,356
Speaker 1: John and Paul knew them. Yeah, which is radical to imagine.

828
00:48:40,396 --> 00:48:45,276
Speaker 1: It's just it's radical and that music and oh I'm

829
00:48:45,276 --> 00:48:50,476
Speaker 1: gonna come up with this part Doom doom. Yeah, in

830
00:48:50,596 --> 00:48:53,916
Speaker 1: the moment, really in the moment. Yeah, fucking amazing. That's

831
00:48:53,956 --> 00:48:56,556
Speaker 1: why they are the Beatles, and then everybody else, everybody

832
00:48:57,076 --> 00:49:00,436
Speaker 1: I'm comparing us to that. I just think about that

833
00:49:00,796 --> 00:49:03,436
Speaker 1: because to me, yeah, I'm the same way, and I

834
00:49:03,556 --> 00:49:05,516
Speaker 1: know so many other bands. And you just said that

835
00:49:05,596 --> 00:49:08,236
Speaker 1: it's never happened with you, and it's three or four times,

836
00:49:08,276 --> 00:49:10,556
Speaker 1: and then if you haven't got you move on. Yeah,

837
00:49:10,836 --> 00:49:15,196
Speaker 1: there are some bands I will say that keep getting

838
00:49:15,316 --> 00:49:19,036
Speaker 1: better overtakes. So it might not be three or four

839
00:49:19,116 --> 00:49:22,996
Speaker 1: for some bands. It might be twelve or fifteen before

840
00:49:23,596 --> 00:49:26,836
Speaker 1: it turns down where that peak. But when it happens,

841
00:49:27,236 --> 00:49:30,956
Speaker 1: it's very clear when it happens, very clear. When now,

842
00:49:31,076 --> 00:49:33,676
Speaker 1: by playing it more, it's diminishing returns. It's not like

843
00:49:33,836 --> 00:49:37,436
Speaker 1: getting better, it's only getting worse. And as soon as

844
00:49:37,516 --> 00:49:40,236
Speaker 1: that happens, it only gets frustrating. So it's better to

845
00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:43,556
Speaker 1: let's play something else. There's another thing that I just

846
00:49:43,676 --> 00:49:45,756
Speaker 1: thought about that we haven't talked about in a long

847
00:49:45,836 --> 00:49:48,316
Speaker 1: time and would be interesting to listen to now in

848
00:49:48,476 --> 00:49:52,596
Speaker 1: retrospect because of what happened with Blood Sugar and that

849
00:49:52,756 --> 00:49:55,276
Speaker 1: two year period of not being able to from the

850
00:49:55,356 --> 00:49:57,876
Speaker 1: time we started until we recorded, instead of it being

851
00:49:58,436 --> 00:50:01,556
Speaker 1: nine months or a year. That extra year. I remember

852
00:50:01,676 --> 00:50:04,196
Speaker 1: I went into A and M to do a remix

853
00:50:04,316 --> 00:50:07,276
Speaker 1: of a Queen song and you came in to play

854
00:50:07,396 --> 00:50:11,116
Speaker 1: drums on it on the remix, and then I remember,

855
00:50:11,596 --> 00:50:15,116
Speaker 1: so legally we're not allowed to record, but we had

856
00:50:15,196 --> 00:50:20,316
Speaker 1: this studio for Queen Thankee Sessions or whatever or whatever

857
00:50:20,396 --> 00:50:22,236
Speaker 1: it was. I don't know what it was called, but

858
00:50:22,356 --> 00:50:24,876
Speaker 1: I called everyone and just said, hey, can you guys

859
00:50:24,956 --> 00:50:29,196
Speaker 1: come down here? And we recorded whatever version we were

860
00:50:29,316 --> 00:50:31,836
Speaker 1: up to in that moment of all of the Blood

861
00:50:31,876 --> 00:50:35,076
Speaker 1: Sugar songs, probably a year before we recorded the album.

862
00:50:35,556 --> 00:50:39,596
Speaker 1: And that exists somewhere. Probably where's that it exists somewhere.

863
00:50:39,836 --> 00:50:41,716
Speaker 1: We could try to find that, but I've never heard

864
00:50:41,756 --> 00:50:43,436
Speaker 1: it since. I never thought about it until we just

865
00:50:43,556 --> 00:50:46,476
Speaker 1: have this conversation. I haven't thought about that in a

866
00:50:47,196 --> 00:50:49,516
Speaker 1: way long time. I mean, I was so jazz, You're like,

867
00:50:50,116 --> 00:50:53,276
Speaker 1: I think that Queen had signed a Hollywood record, Yes,

868
00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:57,436
Speaker 1: and they were having people do remixes for to put

869
00:50:57,476 --> 00:51:00,996
Speaker 1: the record out, And Rick was like, you know, and

870
00:51:01,116 --> 00:51:04,956
Speaker 1: I think we played on it too at the end end. Yeah,

871
00:51:05,036 --> 00:51:06,956
Speaker 1: at the end. We jammed out at the end of

872
00:51:07,076 --> 00:51:09,916
Speaker 1: We Will Rock You. Rick did a a remix of

873
00:51:09,996 --> 00:51:13,316
Speaker 1: it up front, and then when the guitars come in,

874
00:51:13,436 --> 00:51:16,156
Speaker 1: we just play and played out and and it was

875
00:51:16,276 --> 00:51:18,796
Speaker 1: it was It was great. But I remember it was

876
00:51:18,916 --> 00:51:22,516
Speaker 1: late at night ish. Yeah, and the other guys came

877
00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:25,796
Speaker 1: in or John came in. Yeah. I don't know if

878
00:51:25,836 --> 00:51:27,876
Speaker 1: Anthony was there or not. But do we do it

879
00:51:27,956 --> 00:51:31,836
Speaker 1: like live I called together? I think so. I think

880
00:51:31,876 --> 00:51:34,076
Speaker 1: we did it like kind of like a tracking session.

881
00:51:34,116 --> 00:51:36,636
Speaker 1: But we only played the songs once, maybe in some

882
00:51:36,916 --> 00:51:40,196
Speaker 1: cases twice, but I think mostly once. So and back

883
00:51:40,276 --> 00:51:43,796
Speaker 1: then we weren't as proficient as now. So I will

884
00:51:43,836 --> 00:51:47,396
Speaker 1: say it'll be, uh, feel a little rough. It'll be rough,

885
00:51:47,516 --> 00:51:49,716
Speaker 1: but it'll be fun to listen to Oh my God,

886
00:51:49,756 --> 00:51:53,156
Speaker 1: because I'm sure some of the parts and the arrangements

887
00:51:53,196 --> 00:51:58,076
Speaker 1: and stuff were different. Yeah, different, definitely evolved. I've forgotten

888
00:51:58,116 --> 00:52:02,236
Speaker 1: about that. You're right, trip right, that's the box box

889
00:52:02,436 --> 00:52:08,156
Speaker 1: set from anthology Blood Sugar Demos. Yeah, Blood Sugar Demos.

890
00:52:08,236 --> 00:52:10,116
Speaker 1: In a way, that's probably what it is. And you know,

891
00:52:10,276 --> 00:52:11,796
Speaker 1: I think if we listen back, I don't know if

892
00:52:11,796 --> 00:52:15,236
Speaker 1: they exist anywhere, but we always had demos of everything

893
00:52:15,476 --> 00:52:17,996
Speaker 1: during the making of the albums, you know, just the

894
00:52:18,076 --> 00:52:22,276
Speaker 1: recordings of the of the rehearsals where we would listen

895
00:52:22,316 --> 00:52:24,036
Speaker 1: to them and then talk about the parts. Let's try

896
00:52:24,156 --> 00:52:27,596
Speaker 1: changing this, you know, changing the arrangements. So those exist

897
00:52:27,716 --> 00:52:31,436
Speaker 1: somewhere dats. Remember we always had dats of the dats

898
00:52:31,676 --> 00:52:34,436
Speaker 1: of all the rehearsals. Yeah, and the rehearsals were the

899
00:52:34,476 --> 00:52:38,756
Speaker 1: writing sessions essentially, right, Yeah, I mean either at the

900
00:52:38,836 --> 00:52:41,356
Speaker 1: swing house, but we did so much stuff at the alley,

901
00:52:41,556 --> 00:52:44,796
Speaker 1: the alley, and we recorded all that, all that we

902
00:52:44,916 --> 00:52:50,196
Speaker 1: did almost for every record up until I mean stadium,

903
00:52:50,276 --> 00:52:53,676
Speaker 1: we wrote tons at the alley. Yeah, we would recordings

904
00:52:53,796 --> 00:52:57,356
Speaker 1: where the dats. Yeah, we've never looked Rick. Let me

905
00:52:57,436 --> 00:53:00,076
Speaker 1: ask you, what what'd you think about doing? I mean,

906
00:53:00,116 --> 00:53:04,436
Speaker 1: we've done all of our records with you to tape.

907
00:53:04,796 --> 00:53:08,276
Speaker 1: How was it working with tape or no big deal?

908
00:53:08,356 --> 00:53:10,556
Speaker 1: Nobody's deal from good. Yeah, it does matter at all.

909
00:53:10,596 --> 00:53:15,356
Speaker 1: Other other than we couldn't remember. In the stadium, it

910
00:53:15,516 --> 00:53:18,476
Speaker 1: was there were tape was hard to find. Remember it

911
00:53:18,556 --> 00:53:22,156
Speaker 1: was there's three reels in Green Bay. There's it was

912
00:53:22,236 --> 00:53:24,116
Speaker 1: like trying to get drugs or something. It was like

913
00:53:24,236 --> 00:53:26,996
Speaker 1: trying to find Yeah, yeah, this one too, this one,

914
00:53:27,196 --> 00:53:29,716
Speaker 1: but we were on it and we had you know,

915
00:53:29,796 --> 00:53:32,956
Speaker 1: we had experts searching the globe for tape. But we

916
00:53:33,076 --> 00:53:35,316
Speaker 1: still went over stuff, which back in the day we

917
00:53:35,436 --> 00:53:37,996
Speaker 1: never did. Yeah, yeah, never did. I mean there'd be

918
00:53:38,076 --> 00:53:40,876
Speaker 1: boxes up to the ceiling. But I'm hoping that we

919
00:53:41,276 --> 00:53:42,996
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true, but I'm hoping

920
00:53:43,076 --> 00:53:45,876
Speaker 1: we have a digital version of everything we went over.

921
00:53:46,076 --> 00:53:49,476
Speaker 1: I hope it would be good if that exists. We should,

922
00:53:49,676 --> 00:53:52,156
Speaker 1: I would, I would think, I hope. So it's always

923
00:53:52,196 --> 00:53:53,996
Speaker 1: cool to document stuff you never know, it's fun to

924
00:53:54,076 --> 00:53:57,036
Speaker 1: listen to someday. How did how did a song get

925
00:53:57,116 --> 00:54:00,516
Speaker 1: to the version that we ended up using? The evolution

926
00:54:00,636 --> 00:54:02,716
Speaker 1: even in the studio, because sometimes they changed quite a

927
00:54:02,756 --> 00:54:06,156
Speaker 1: bit when even when recording, they evolve. I mean, the

928
00:54:06,516 --> 00:54:11,516
Speaker 1: song Californication is a perfect example of a song evolving.

929
00:54:11,996 --> 00:54:16,436
Speaker 1: And again one of the rare songs that Anthony had

930
00:54:16,476 --> 00:54:20,036
Speaker 1: words for before he had heard any music. It was

931
00:54:20,116 --> 00:54:23,436
Speaker 1: basically like like a poem. He wrote, like a poem

932
00:54:23,556 --> 00:54:27,396
Speaker 1: like under the Bridge. He so he had this these

933
00:54:27,516 --> 00:54:30,036
Speaker 1: lyrics and we were trying to come up with music too,

934
00:54:30,076 --> 00:54:33,596
Speaker 1: and there's and we did a session early on and

935
00:54:33,916 --> 00:54:37,916
Speaker 1: before Californication came, it was again and like another demo

936
00:54:37,956 --> 00:54:41,356
Speaker 1: session at Teatro and Oxnarden, this little studio up there,

937
00:54:41,636 --> 00:54:45,396
Speaker 1: and there's a I'd heard a version of Californication that

938
00:54:45,516 --> 00:54:50,356
Speaker 1: he did there. It was like reggae, like bad reggae version. Wow,

939
00:54:50,596 --> 00:54:53,636
Speaker 1: it was not I mean you could hear the melody

940
00:54:53,796 --> 00:54:58,436
Speaker 1: and but the music and do you remember we worked

941
00:54:58,516 --> 00:55:02,356
Speaker 1: on it and like, no, it's just not coming together.

942
00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:05,076
Speaker 1: Anthony wasn't feeling you weren't feeling it, I think. And

943
00:55:05,236 --> 00:55:08,236
Speaker 1: then finally I think it was towards the end. Was

944
00:55:08,316 --> 00:55:11,956
Speaker 1: it towards the end of this recording or no? It

945
00:55:12,076 --> 00:55:16,636
Speaker 1: was definitely him showing up with the simple chords when

946
00:55:16,636 --> 00:55:19,476
Speaker 1: we were at Ocean Way Yea or East West and

947
00:55:20,516 --> 00:55:23,676
Speaker 1: that that song and talking about like going and hearing

948
00:55:23,796 --> 00:55:26,996
Speaker 1: different versions of songs and like learning from I mean

949
00:55:27,236 --> 00:55:28,836
Speaker 1: that would if we would have gave up on that,

950
00:55:28,916 --> 00:55:32,476
Speaker 1: I'm glad. It's perseverance of like there's a song in

951
00:55:32,556 --> 00:55:35,356
Speaker 1: there somewhere. Yeah, there's a good song in there somewhere.

952
00:55:35,516 --> 00:55:38,436
Speaker 1: We just have to find the right approach. Yeah. Sometimes

953
00:55:38,476 --> 00:55:42,716
Speaker 1: it's as simple as the approach. Yeah, the wrong approach

954
00:55:42,916 --> 00:55:46,476
Speaker 1: can sink a great song, right, And up to that

955
00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:49,116
Speaker 1: point we it was almost like, oh, well we're not

956
00:55:49,156 --> 00:55:51,476
Speaker 1: gonna that, We're not gonna get that one. But you know,

957
00:55:51,596 --> 00:55:53,276
Speaker 1: John came in that one day with the chords and

958
00:55:53,756 --> 00:55:57,036
Speaker 1: all came together and it's like, I think it's our

959
00:55:57,076 --> 00:56:02,516
Speaker 1: most popular song now something like that. Yeah, crazy almost

960
00:56:02,636 --> 00:56:07,636
Speaker 1: almost wasn't so persevere kids? Yeah, how would you say

961
00:56:08,756 --> 00:56:11,556
Speaker 1: the band has changed from the band that you joined

962
00:56:11,796 --> 00:56:16,556
Speaker 1: to the band today? Talk about the evolution of the band. Wow,

963
00:56:17,276 --> 00:56:23,956
Speaker 1: that's thirty four years almost now for me? You know, God,

964
00:56:24,036 --> 00:56:27,596
Speaker 1: we've had mainly I mean mainfully and Anthony since nineteen

965
00:56:27,676 --> 00:56:31,116
Speaker 1: eighty eight, but different guitar players come, and we've had

966
00:56:31,196 --> 00:56:38,156
Speaker 1: some great musicians, Dave Navarro and Josh Klinghoffer. But it's interesting,

967
00:56:39,196 --> 00:56:42,356
Speaker 1: you're just growing up and I would have never thought

968
00:56:42,636 --> 00:56:46,196
Speaker 1: that our band would still be walking into Holly Gully

969
00:56:46,316 --> 00:56:50,716
Speaker 1: making that record. I would have never thought we'd still

970
00:56:50,836 --> 00:56:54,756
Speaker 1: be making music or a band thirty four years later.

971
00:56:55,396 --> 00:56:58,836
Speaker 1: Not in a million. I thought, ah, you know, five years,

972
00:56:59,556 --> 00:57:03,956
Speaker 1: six years, couple records if you're lucky, because it was

973
00:57:03,996 --> 00:57:08,156
Speaker 1: pretty volatile back then. Still, you know, band members leave,

974
00:57:08,436 --> 00:57:11,156
Speaker 1: is drug, there's this, there's that, Everyone has their ups

975
00:57:11,196 --> 00:57:14,396
Speaker 1: and downs, you know, but if you have this goal,

976
00:57:15,036 --> 00:57:19,676
Speaker 1: which I think that we somehow all maybe not as

977
00:57:19,796 --> 00:57:24,036
Speaker 1: much earlier, but certainly the second time that John came

978
00:57:24,076 --> 00:57:26,876
Speaker 1: back into our group in nineteen ninety eight, that's the

979
00:57:27,036 --> 00:57:29,316
Speaker 1: one time that I felt like the Chili Peppers were

980
00:57:29,356 --> 00:57:33,676
Speaker 1: gonna be over. David gone out, Anthony was was not

981
00:57:34,156 --> 00:57:36,516
Speaker 1: around that much. I don't think he was doing took grade,

982
00:57:36,556 --> 00:57:38,756
Speaker 1: and it just it felt like it was falling apart. Lindy,

983
00:57:38,836 --> 00:57:41,236
Speaker 1: our manager, left. He's like I'd said, I've had enough,

984
00:57:41,276 --> 00:57:43,876
Speaker 1: I can't deal with this anymore. I think he wanted

985
00:57:43,956 --> 00:57:45,716
Speaker 1: us to go no, no, don't quit. We're like, fine,

986
00:57:45,756 --> 00:57:50,196
Speaker 1: you should beg It's okay. And that was the one

987
00:57:50,276 --> 00:57:52,756
Speaker 1: time that I felt like, Okay, this this feels like

988
00:57:52,916 --> 00:57:55,396
Speaker 1: this probably this is probably the end. We'll probably hang

989
00:57:55,436 --> 00:57:57,596
Speaker 1: it up. We didn't have another guitar player. And then

990
00:57:57,756 --> 00:58:02,596
Speaker 1: John comes back in the group, and that's when I

991
00:58:02,756 --> 00:58:05,476
Speaker 1: really felt like we all went, oh, wow, this is

992
00:58:05,636 --> 00:58:09,676
Speaker 1: like something special, this chemistry that we have as a band,

993
00:58:10,276 --> 00:58:12,156
Speaker 1: and we have another way, we have a second chance

994
00:58:12,236 --> 00:58:14,996
Speaker 1: at it. That's when I felt like we all kind

995
00:58:15,036 --> 00:58:17,556
Speaker 1: of just stood up and went, wait a minute, we

996
00:58:17,676 --> 00:58:19,876
Speaker 1: can do this. Let's not take this for granted. This

997
00:58:20,036 --> 00:58:22,796
Speaker 1: is something special for whatever reason. Rick, We're put on

998
00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:27,236
Speaker 1: this planet, all different places and whatever, and we all

999
00:58:27,676 --> 00:58:30,156
Speaker 1: come together and we make this music that we make

1000
00:58:30,636 --> 00:58:35,556
Speaker 1: and there's no trying to be like this or preconceived anything.

1001
00:58:35,716 --> 00:58:38,756
Speaker 1: Just get together in a room and what do you

1002
00:58:38,836 --> 00:58:41,796
Speaker 1: got and bring your whole thing to it. And I

1003
00:58:41,956 --> 00:58:46,836
Speaker 1: think that evolution of people growing up and changing and

1004
00:58:47,636 --> 00:58:50,956
Speaker 1: lives and children and wives and next wives and whatever,

1005
00:58:51,076 --> 00:58:53,356
Speaker 1: it's all part of it. It's all part of the

1006
00:58:53,436 --> 00:58:56,876
Speaker 1: big movie. But I think that there's a goal, and

1007
00:58:57,196 --> 00:59:00,716
Speaker 1: there is you know, you got to you gotta be flexible,

1008
00:59:01,036 --> 00:59:04,756
Speaker 1: you gotta have know your role in the group. There's

1009
00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:08,196
Speaker 1: dynamic shifts, there's powershifts, there's a lot of things that happen.

1010
00:59:08,316 --> 00:59:11,956
Speaker 1: But we're all doing it for the same good cause,

1011
00:59:12,076 --> 00:59:15,516
Speaker 1: which is the end result of making this special music

1012
00:59:15,876 --> 00:59:18,796
Speaker 1: that only the four of us can make. Yeah, And

1013
00:59:19,676 --> 00:59:21,796
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that, the fact that we've been able

1014
00:59:21,836 --> 00:59:25,316
Speaker 1: to persevere and do that in an authentic way of

1015
00:59:25,436 --> 00:59:28,476
Speaker 1: doing it for the right reasons, doing it from our hearts,

1016
00:59:28,716 --> 00:59:31,196
Speaker 1: doing it because we love it, and we genuinely love

1017
00:59:31,316 --> 00:59:34,076
Speaker 1: to make music together. Yeah, we do, not all the time,

1018
00:59:34,476 --> 00:59:38,596
Speaker 1: but we genuinely do. Because man, when you go play

1019
00:59:38,876 --> 00:59:41,516
Speaker 1: all over the world and you see people's faces light

1020
00:59:41,636 --> 00:59:45,356
Speaker 1: up with joy and dad's next to kids and whatever,

1021
00:59:45,756 --> 00:59:49,756
Speaker 1: in any country, all over the world, it's amazing. And

1022
00:59:49,956 --> 00:59:52,556
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take that for granted. That's a real gift

1023
00:59:52,956 --> 00:59:55,156
Speaker 1: to be able to do that make people happy for

1024
00:59:55,316 --> 00:59:59,356
Speaker 1: a couple hours. That's awesome. So we have that, But

1025
00:59:59,516 --> 01:00:02,476
Speaker 1: we also love still love what we do, maybe more

1026
01:00:02,596 --> 01:00:06,396
Speaker 1: than ever. You know, it's which is wild. It hasn't

1027
01:00:06,396 --> 01:00:08,956
Speaker 1: dissipated at all. I mean, I love playing music more

1028
01:00:09,116 --> 01:00:11,476
Speaker 1: and I did. I got so much more to do

1029
01:00:11,676 --> 01:00:14,156
Speaker 1: and I want to get so much better and and

1030
01:00:14,356 --> 01:00:17,916
Speaker 1: I love playing all the time. And I just did

1031
01:00:17,956 --> 01:00:20,316
Speaker 1: a little tour with Eddie Vetter and we just hadn't

1032
01:00:20,316 --> 01:00:22,836
Speaker 1: played in two and a half years and played little

1033
01:00:22,916 --> 01:00:25,996
Speaker 1: theaters in New York and Chicago, and the people were

1034
01:00:26,076 --> 01:00:29,356
Speaker 1: just so happy to be there and their faces and

1035
01:00:30,196 --> 01:00:32,636
Speaker 1: it was so joyful. It was beautiful, and it's a

1036
01:00:32,756 --> 01:00:36,396
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about music, and I love that connection. We'll

1037
01:00:36,436 --> 01:00:38,276
Speaker 1: be right back after a break with more from Chad

1038
01:00:38,316 --> 01:00:44,476
Speaker 1: Smith and Rick Rubin. We're back with the rest of

1039
01:00:44,556 --> 01:00:48,956
Speaker 1: Rick Ruben's conversation with Chad Smith. Any any particular Chili

1040
01:00:48,996 --> 01:00:51,836
Speaker 1: Pepper gigs you can remember that stand out in your mind,

1041
01:00:52,036 --> 01:00:57,436
Speaker 1: either as particularly great or particularly bad over the years.

1042
01:00:57,556 --> 01:01:01,756
Speaker 1: What comes up? What do you think of what comes up?

1043
01:01:01,756 --> 01:01:06,076
Speaker 1: We played it. We played in Japan and it was

1044
01:01:06,116 --> 01:01:09,316
Speaker 1: a typhoon and we were on stage for that at

1045
01:01:09,436 --> 01:01:13,596
Speaker 1: not too long and the stage fell and Anthony had

1046
01:01:13,796 --> 01:01:16,996
Speaker 1: Remember when Anthony had his motorcycle accident, he had that

1047
01:01:17,076 --> 01:01:19,396
Speaker 1: big cast and the pins and stuff. So he's in

1048
01:01:19,476 --> 01:01:22,676
Speaker 1: a cast and the typhoon and the symbols and the

1049
01:01:22,756 --> 01:01:25,396
Speaker 1: drums are like blowing into I remember that not being

1050
01:01:25,556 --> 01:01:29,796
Speaker 1: like a great time, but that was just like weather

1051
01:01:29,876 --> 01:01:31,996
Speaker 1: stuff that happens, that happens all the time. But yeah,

1052
01:01:31,996 --> 01:01:36,916
Speaker 1: the typhoon I remember playing in in Green Bay. I

1053
01:01:37,036 --> 01:01:39,756
Speaker 1: think it was on the Mother's Milk tour. And we

1054
01:01:39,916 --> 01:01:43,916
Speaker 1: used to, you know, go on stage scantily clad, and

1055
01:01:44,076 --> 01:01:46,716
Speaker 1: certainly at a certain part of the show at the

1056
01:01:46,956 --> 01:01:51,956
Speaker 1: end we would do a song and in Green Bay

1057
01:01:52,476 --> 01:01:56,956
Speaker 1: pubic hair in public not okay, not having it. So

1058
01:01:58,676 --> 01:02:02,316
Speaker 1: the cops chased I remember, they chased Flee. They ended

1059
01:02:02,396 --> 01:02:05,676
Speaker 1: up chasing Flee and I and we ran out of

1060
01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:11,036
Speaker 1: the gig and it was cold, and we just tried

1061
01:02:11,076 --> 01:02:13,636
Speaker 1: to ditch the cops and kept running through fields and

1062
01:02:13,756 --> 01:02:16,116
Speaker 1: we ended up in this guy's house. They'd never caught us,

1063
01:02:16,476 --> 01:02:19,236
Speaker 1: and we ended up playing like video games in this

1064
01:02:19,356 --> 01:02:21,116
Speaker 1: guy's house that we just like knocked on the door

1065
01:02:21,156 --> 01:02:27,436
Speaker 1: and said can you come with us? And we're naked. Incredible. Oh,

1066
01:02:27,956 --> 01:02:30,756
Speaker 1: maybe we'd found something at that point A leaf. Now

1067
01:02:31,196 --> 01:02:34,356
Speaker 1: do you remember those times fondly or like I do

1068
01:02:35,276 --> 01:02:38,436
Speaker 1: I do those? Yes? I do, kid well, and we

1069
01:02:38,556 --> 01:02:42,076
Speaker 1: got away with it, yeah, so to speak or whomever, Oh, no,

1070
01:02:42,236 --> 01:02:44,516
Speaker 1: I do, because it was like an innocent time. You know.

1071
01:02:44,596 --> 01:02:47,956
Speaker 1: It was like didn't matter, we're not hurting anybody, and

1072
01:02:48,116 --> 01:02:50,036
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was like you were having fun.

1073
01:02:50,596 --> 01:02:52,476
Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't like the next day it was like, oh,

1074
01:02:52,516 --> 01:02:54,796
Speaker 1: we can never let that happen again. There was no regret.

1075
01:02:54,956 --> 01:02:58,236
Speaker 1: It was just uh no, not not at that time, No,

1076
01:02:58,676 --> 01:03:01,396
Speaker 1: certainly not. I mean, it was just what we did.

1077
01:03:01,836 --> 01:03:04,516
Speaker 1: It was we were kids and we were having fun. Yeah,

1078
01:03:04,636 --> 01:03:10,316
Speaker 1: and we were open about everything. And as long as

1079
01:03:10,356 --> 01:03:13,236
Speaker 1: you're not hurting anybody or hurting yourself, you know the

1080
01:03:13,356 --> 01:03:15,876
Speaker 1: way we express ourselves on stage or with our music.

1081
01:03:16,036 --> 01:03:18,516
Speaker 1: It's all good. Talk about a little bit about what

1082
01:03:18,756 --> 01:03:23,236
Speaker 1: life on the road is like. From how does it

1083
01:03:23,316 --> 01:03:26,836
Speaker 1: come like hot? From where you guys started to now

1084
01:03:27,036 --> 01:03:29,676
Speaker 1: the difference in how we want to know all these

1085
01:03:30,196 --> 01:03:33,836
Speaker 1: way back when, and it's interesting. It's interesting, I know,

1086
01:03:33,916 --> 01:03:36,436
Speaker 1: I know, like the progress and when things change and

1087
01:03:36,516 --> 01:03:40,596
Speaker 1: how they change. Yeah, it's true. I mean we go

1088
01:03:40,836 --> 01:03:44,156
Speaker 1: from a little you know, before me it was stationed

1089
01:03:44,196 --> 01:03:48,356
Speaker 1: wagons and vans, but they're just playing clubs and yeah,

1090
01:03:48,436 --> 01:03:52,716
Speaker 1: from Mother's Milk. We had first tour bus, which is

1091
01:03:52,796 --> 01:03:56,676
Speaker 1: like a big deal, big deal. Yeah, we had done

1092
01:03:56,716 --> 01:04:00,036
Speaker 1: little little south Wind is like a you know, like

1093
01:04:00,196 --> 01:04:03,196
Speaker 1: a camper. Yeah, it's like a camper, not as not

1094
01:04:03,316 --> 01:04:05,676
Speaker 1: as great. Yeah, this is an actual tour bus with

1095
01:04:05,796 --> 01:04:08,636
Speaker 1: a driver that just takes speed all the time. And

1096
01:04:09,156 --> 01:04:13,996
Speaker 1: had seventeen people on our bus, a twelve person bus.

1097
01:04:14,716 --> 01:04:17,676
Speaker 1: We had the t shirt girl and we had two

1098
01:04:17,756 --> 01:04:21,316
Speaker 1: background singers. It took the back lounge and you know,

1099
01:04:21,556 --> 01:04:23,796
Speaker 1: if there was a place to sleep or crash, it

1100
01:04:23,956 --> 01:04:25,756
Speaker 1: was taken. And then we had we had a crazy

1101
01:04:25,796 --> 01:04:29,156
Speaker 1: bus driver, you know, and that smelled like you know,

1102
01:04:29,636 --> 01:04:32,836
Speaker 1: I mean, it was not a good but we have

1103
01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:37,596
Speaker 1: a bus. This is amazing. This is the coolest. That's

1104
01:04:37,676 --> 01:04:41,316
Speaker 1: my tour bus. Wow. And what were the venues you

1105
01:04:41,396 --> 01:04:46,236
Speaker 1: were playing at that time? Oh, we were playing bigger clubs,

1106
01:04:46,956 --> 01:04:51,996
Speaker 1: some theaters, but I'd say fifteen hundred when we probably

1107
01:04:52,076 --> 01:04:56,396
Speaker 1: started out with Mother's Milk, and you know, we would

1108
01:04:56,396 --> 01:04:58,996
Speaker 1: get we could get lucky and bigger cities and maybe

1109
01:04:59,036 --> 01:05:02,276
Speaker 1: play two nights or play a bigger place. But three

1110
01:05:02,356 --> 01:05:05,236
Speaker 1: thousand and four thousand, Max, we came back here at

1111
01:05:05,276 --> 01:05:07,796
Speaker 1: the end of the tour and the record had done

1112
01:05:07,836 --> 01:05:10,356
Speaker 1: pretty good for us, and you know, hier Ground was

1113
01:05:10,396 --> 01:05:12,156
Speaker 1: on MTV and all that stuff, and we played the

1114
01:05:12,276 --> 01:05:15,916
Speaker 1: Greek Theater and you were at that show, that's right.

1115
01:05:16,156 --> 01:05:17,756
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked to you or met

1116
01:05:17,796 --> 01:05:19,876
Speaker 1: you with that show, but yeah, I don't think so.

1117
01:05:20,076 --> 01:05:23,436
Speaker 1: I I remember his Axel Rose came back and hung

1118
01:05:23,476 --> 01:05:25,676
Speaker 1: out with us, and I was like, oh wow, and

1119
01:05:25,796 --> 01:05:30,076
Speaker 1: we took a picture of Axel. But do you remember

1120
01:05:30,156 --> 01:05:34,156
Speaker 1: did you get there and see David Saint Hubbins from

1121
01:05:34,276 --> 01:05:37,436
Speaker 1: Spinal Tap introduce us? I do that. We were like

1122
01:05:37,556 --> 01:05:39,356
Speaker 1: because we were really in the Spinal Tap at that

1123
01:05:39,356 --> 01:05:41,316
Speaker 1: point where oh man, this is the greatest thing ever.

1124
01:05:41,796 --> 01:05:44,036
Speaker 1: He was great, but that was our, That was our

1125
01:05:44,116 --> 01:05:45,796
Speaker 1: That was like a big show for I mean his

1126
01:05:45,956 --> 01:05:48,916
Speaker 1: hometown show, but that we did play the Palladium, but

1127
01:05:48,996 --> 01:05:50,876
Speaker 1: like that's la like but you know, if we would

1128
01:05:50,876 --> 01:05:53,716
Speaker 1: go to you know, Minneapolis something, we're playing like Prince's

1129
01:05:53,796 --> 01:05:56,596
Speaker 1: Club and places like that, which is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1130
01:05:56,756 --> 01:06:00,516
Speaker 1: loved it, loved it. It was so exciting, and our

1131
01:06:00,596 --> 01:06:04,636
Speaker 1: record was doing well, like you know, I remember we're

1132
01:06:05,156 --> 01:06:08,876
Speaker 1: in the top forty the Chili Peppers. Are you fucking

1133
01:06:09,156 --> 01:06:13,916
Speaker 1: getting me? Amazing? So that was a great experience going

1134
01:06:13,996 --> 01:06:18,396
Speaker 1: to Europe incredible for me first time, unbelievable. And then

1135
01:06:18,516 --> 01:06:20,836
Speaker 1: you know, we came back and wrote and made all

1136
01:06:20,876 --> 01:06:23,276
Speaker 1: his records and then everything changed when Bud Sugar came

1137
01:06:23,316 --> 01:06:27,996
Speaker 1: around and the music changed when we got really popular,

1138
01:06:28,076 --> 01:06:31,156
Speaker 1: which which was great. John was not enjoying that aspect

1139
01:06:31,236 --> 01:06:34,116
Speaker 1: of it, and so that touring bit was should have

1140
01:06:34,156 --> 01:06:37,116
Speaker 1: been like really great, but as you know, the four

1141
01:06:37,156 --> 01:06:39,596
Speaker 1: of us on stage, if we're not all we all

1142
01:06:39,676 --> 01:06:43,316
Speaker 1: have to be connecting, and he was not wanting to

1143
01:06:43,436 --> 01:06:45,356
Speaker 1: be there. And this went on and on and on,

1144
01:06:45,476 --> 01:06:49,676
Speaker 1: and he finally left in Japan. I'm going home now. God,

1145
01:06:49,756 --> 01:06:51,916
Speaker 1: we have a show like two hours in Yokohama. I

1146
01:06:52,116 --> 01:06:54,516
Speaker 1: know I have to go home now, but you know,

1147
01:06:54,676 --> 01:06:57,756
Speaker 1: we've been lucky to be able to keep playing at

1148
01:06:57,756 --> 01:07:01,436
Speaker 1: a high level, which is really important to us. We

1149
01:07:01,556 --> 01:07:03,476
Speaker 1: want people to come and leave and go, oh my god,

1150
01:07:03,516 --> 01:07:05,396
Speaker 1: it's the greatest rock and roll band I've ever seen,

1151
01:07:06,076 --> 01:07:08,516
Speaker 1: and we take a lot of pride in that that

1152
01:07:08,676 --> 01:07:12,796
Speaker 1: has never waned now instead of, you know, getting chased

1153
01:07:12,836 --> 01:07:15,956
Speaker 1: by the cops in Green Bay, and we do everything

1154
01:07:16,396 --> 01:07:20,076
Speaker 1: what we can do to ensure that we can perform

1155
01:07:20,156 --> 01:07:23,196
Speaker 1: it at a top level. We're not spring chickens anymore.

1156
01:07:23,916 --> 01:07:26,596
Speaker 1: And you know that's really important in our lifestyles have

1157
01:07:26,796 --> 01:07:30,356
Speaker 1: changed and I stopped drinking and doing drugs twelve years ago,

1158
01:07:31,076 --> 01:07:33,756
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to perform at the

1159
01:07:34,156 --> 01:07:38,076
Speaker 1: best that I can be, And so everything's geared towards that.

1160
01:07:38,236 --> 01:07:41,276
Speaker 1: It's getting good rest and how you eat, exercise. But

1161
01:07:41,836 --> 01:07:45,756
Speaker 1: I still love to go out and just see everybody.

1162
01:07:46,236 --> 01:07:49,196
Speaker 1: They're all coming. This is amazing, They're still coming to

1163
01:07:49,276 --> 01:07:52,996
Speaker 1: see us, and I just want to really do well.

1164
01:07:53,116 --> 01:07:56,036
Speaker 1: I want the band to feel really confident and knowing

1165
01:07:56,156 --> 01:07:58,876
Speaker 1: that they can look back and they like, I could

1166
01:07:58,916 --> 01:08:01,636
Speaker 1: do whatever I want. This guy's this guy's got it,

1167
01:08:02,036 --> 01:08:06,076
Speaker 1: He's got us. It's great. Yeah, that's really important to me.

1168
01:08:06,596 --> 01:08:09,556
Speaker 1: And then that energy just goes out to the crowd.

1169
01:08:09,636 --> 01:08:13,796
Speaker 1: And so that's the most important thing I saw. I

1170
01:08:13,956 --> 01:08:17,796
Speaker 1: saw from an audience perspective. The most dramatic show that

1171
01:08:17,916 --> 01:08:25,236
Speaker 1: I saw was the Hyde Park series. It was five shows.

1172
01:08:26,036 --> 01:08:28,196
Speaker 1: I think it was eighty thousand people every day for

1173
01:08:28,276 --> 01:08:30,516
Speaker 1: five days in a row, and it totaled. It was.

1174
01:08:30,876 --> 01:08:33,716
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been surpassed since, but it

1175
01:08:33,796 --> 01:08:36,916
Speaker 1: was the biggest concert biggest concerts in the history of

1176
01:08:37,356 --> 01:08:40,636
Speaker 1: the UK at that time. At that time, I have

1177
01:08:40,756 --> 01:08:43,636
Speaker 1: no idea since I think we beat Queen or something. Yeah. No,

1178
01:08:43,756 --> 01:08:48,436
Speaker 1: it was amazing. Yeah, but I just remember the feeling of,

1179
01:08:49,156 --> 01:08:52,076
Speaker 1: you know, eighty thousand people singing along with every word

1180
01:08:52,276 --> 01:08:55,516
Speaker 1: of every song, and every song were ones that we

1181
01:08:55,596 --> 01:08:59,036
Speaker 1: worked on together. It was such a surreal feeling of

1182
01:08:59,556 --> 01:09:03,116
Speaker 1: people really like it. It's a great feeling, isn't it.

1183
01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:06,676
Speaker 1: It is? It is And I'll say, we don't make it,

1184
01:09:07,156 --> 01:09:10,036
Speaker 1: we don't make it for that, but the fact that

1185
01:09:10,196 --> 01:09:15,956
Speaker 1: it happens is radical and so cool. I know, I mean,

1186
01:09:16,036 --> 01:09:18,156
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, that's the thing. People. Oh, you know,

1187
01:09:18,236 --> 01:09:20,356
Speaker 1: do you listen you think about this song or you

1188
01:09:20,436 --> 01:09:23,316
Speaker 1: want to play one like that. It's like, no, we

1189
01:09:23,476 --> 01:09:26,796
Speaker 1: just make songs that we're happy with, make us happy

1190
01:09:27,116 --> 01:09:30,396
Speaker 1: that we like, and then it goes out and hopefully

1191
01:09:30,436 --> 01:09:32,916
Speaker 1: everyone connects with it or doesn't. If they don't, that's okay.

1192
01:09:32,956 --> 01:09:35,596
Speaker 1: But we love it. Yeah, you know, not all of

1193
01:09:35,676 --> 01:09:38,476
Speaker 1: them the same amount, but like we're pretty happy with

1194
01:09:38,556 --> 01:09:40,356
Speaker 1: the records that we make. I am I know that,

1195
01:09:41,076 --> 01:09:43,716
Speaker 1: and you are I know that. So it's like there,

1196
01:09:43,716 --> 01:09:47,436
Speaker 1: it's where you start. And then it's just like gravy

1197
01:09:47,556 --> 01:09:49,356
Speaker 1: when you just go play and all of a sudden,

1198
01:09:49,436 --> 01:09:52,796
Speaker 1: like you get people singing along to your songs. There's

1199
01:09:52,876 --> 01:09:54,476
Speaker 1: nothing but you know, you make a little song in

1200
01:09:54,556 --> 01:09:58,876
Speaker 1: your garage and then you go to Estonia and the

1201
01:09:58,956 --> 01:10:03,516
Speaker 1: whole crowd is singing along. Amazing, it really is. I'm

1202
01:10:03,556 --> 01:10:05,676
Speaker 1: so glad that you got to go to those those shows.

1203
01:10:05,916 --> 01:10:09,276
Speaker 1: You know that. The other the other surreal thing was

1204
01:10:09,396 --> 01:10:12,476
Speaker 1: James Brown was playing with us I remember, which was

1205
01:10:12,716 --> 01:10:18,756
Speaker 1: wild and James we went to a Mojo Awards show

1206
01:10:18,916 --> 01:10:21,996
Speaker 1: prior to the Hyde Park shows and there was we

1207
01:10:22,116 --> 01:10:24,676
Speaker 1: got an award for something and James was probably getting

1208
01:10:24,676 --> 01:10:26,956
Speaker 1: a lifetime a chief A warning had and we're taking

1209
01:10:27,036 --> 01:10:30,796
Speaker 1: pictures afterward as Jimmy Page and all my heroes are

1210
01:10:30,876 --> 01:10:34,636
Speaker 1: standing around Roger Daltrey AND's not James Brown is there

1211
01:10:34,636 --> 01:10:38,116
Speaker 1: and we hadn't played with him yet. And so he's

1212
01:10:38,196 --> 01:10:42,036
Speaker 1: in a blue sharkskin suit and the hair slicked back

1213
01:10:42,116 --> 01:10:46,956
Speaker 1: and shiny teeth of headlights and brights are out. James

1214
01:10:47,036 --> 01:10:50,556
Speaker 1: Brown not a tall man. I'm six three. So I

1215
01:10:50,676 --> 01:10:53,476
Speaker 1: come up to him and I'm kind of nervous. Mister Brown,

1216
01:10:53,516 --> 01:10:56,116
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him mister Brown. Chat. I'm the drummer

1217
01:10:56,156 --> 01:10:58,276
Speaker 1: with the Chili Peppers. Thank you so much for playing.

1218
01:10:58,316 --> 01:11:00,676
Speaker 1: He's conscious with us, such an honor, thank you, thank you,

1219
01:11:01,956 --> 01:11:04,796
Speaker 1: he says Sam Man, and it was hard to understand him.

1220
01:11:04,836 --> 01:11:08,996
Speaker 1: I have to say. He's say, man, I'm just kind

1221
01:11:09,036 --> 01:11:11,796
Speaker 1: of like kind of trying to listen. And he goes,

1222
01:11:11,836 --> 01:11:14,636
Speaker 1: I got two pieces of advice for you. Don't give

1223
01:11:14,636 --> 01:11:18,436
Speaker 1: me some advice. Great number one, when you come to

1224
01:11:18,556 --> 01:11:21,716
Speaker 1: the gig in his James Brown voice, I could, I

1225
01:11:21,876 --> 01:11:23,836
Speaker 1: can't really do it. But when you get to the gig,

1226
01:11:23,956 --> 01:11:26,516
Speaker 1: always back, always back your car because you never know

1227
01:11:26,516 --> 01:11:29,876
Speaker 1: when you gotta get the fuck out. Good advice. Good advice,

1228
01:11:30,436 --> 01:11:33,316
Speaker 1: like probably going back to the chilling circuit stuff. If

1229
01:11:33,356 --> 01:11:35,836
Speaker 1: there's some weird shit happening in the bar, got you

1230
01:11:35,836 --> 01:11:38,516
Speaker 1: gotta be gotta get out and always take your wallet

1231
01:11:38,556 --> 01:11:45,796
Speaker 1: to the stage. Good good advice, sage advice from mister Brown.

1232
01:11:46,356 --> 01:11:50,156
Speaker 1: But those concerts were amazing. But I remember one of

1233
01:11:50,196 --> 01:11:53,556
Speaker 1: the nights we I look over on the side of

1234
01:11:53,636 --> 01:11:56,996
Speaker 1: the stage my laught and there's Roger and Brian from

1235
01:11:57,116 --> 01:12:03,356
Speaker 1: Queen and Roger with his kids, Ian Anderson from Jethro Toll, Wow,

1236
01:12:03,916 --> 01:12:08,036
Speaker 1: Tony from Sabbath, Jimmy Page. I'm trying to think of

1237
01:12:08,236 --> 01:12:12,076
Speaker 1: if there were other any you know, rock English Royalty

1238
01:12:12,196 --> 01:12:14,436
Speaker 1: over there. And I'm just like, all right, I got

1239
01:12:14,516 --> 01:12:17,836
Speaker 1: a gig to do here. I'm not gonna look over here.

1240
01:12:18,476 --> 01:12:21,636
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep focused here. He was on John said,

1241
01:12:21,676 --> 01:12:25,356
Speaker 1: poor John. I don't know if peoplelieve, but yeah, I

1242
01:12:25,516 --> 01:12:28,996
Speaker 1: knew that like something was happening, because like it was

1243
01:12:29,036 --> 01:12:32,636
Speaker 1: one of those things like why are we playing all

1244
01:12:32,676 --> 01:12:35,316
Speaker 1: these nights and selling out at this giant thing, and

1245
01:12:35,676 --> 01:12:38,476
Speaker 1: why are all like the gods of rock over here?

1246
01:12:38,596 --> 01:12:42,996
Speaker 1: Something something, something going on? Amazing. Talk about the nature

1247
01:12:43,116 --> 01:12:46,836
Speaker 1: of Flee and Anthony's relationship from what you remember when

1248
01:12:46,876 --> 01:12:50,116
Speaker 1: you join to now it's it's fascinating. One thing that

1249
01:12:50,196 --> 01:12:52,156
Speaker 1: I learned in the conversation with Flee that I never

1250
01:12:52,196 --> 01:12:55,796
Speaker 1: really thought about before is that their relationship was bonded

1251
01:12:56,396 --> 01:13:00,476
Speaker 1: pre music. So they were just friends first and then

1252
01:13:00,636 --> 01:13:03,836
Speaker 1: music came into it. So their connection isn't a connection

1253
01:13:03,916 --> 01:13:08,676
Speaker 1: over music. It's just as people fascinating. Yeah, no, and

1254
01:13:08,756 --> 01:13:12,196
Speaker 1: which I think speaks a lot for their relationship and

1255
01:13:12,276 --> 01:13:15,476
Speaker 1: the longevity of it and the love for each other. Yeah,

1256
01:13:16,036 --> 01:13:18,156
Speaker 1: Anthony loves to tell me he was he added some

1257
01:13:18,676 --> 01:13:21,916
Speaker 1: guy in a headlock in like ninth grade or something,

1258
01:13:22,596 --> 01:13:28,236
Speaker 1: and Flea's like hey, Nanthy's like whoa, And was it?

1259
01:13:28,796 --> 01:13:32,516
Speaker 1: That's how they started hanging out. Yeah, Anthony used to

1260
01:13:32,836 --> 01:13:36,476
Speaker 1: MC for what is this he would bring on the band?

1261
01:13:36,556 --> 01:13:40,796
Speaker 1: I think Flea's band with Jack and a thin Hello

1262
01:13:40,996 --> 01:13:43,836
Speaker 1: was they were all pre Chili peppers, And I think

1263
01:13:43,836 --> 01:13:48,796
Speaker 1: Anthony used to kind of MC the band when I joined. Yeah,

1264
01:13:48,916 --> 01:13:51,196
Speaker 1: of course, and all this is I don't know any

1265
01:13:51,476 --> 01:13:56,396
Speaker 1: really in the history, and John being so young, so

1266
01:13:56,556 --> 01:14:00,476
Speaker 1: he was like Anthony's shadow, you know. Whatever Anthony did

1267
01:14:00,596 --> 01:14:02,516
Speaker 1: or wanted to do or dada da da. I mean

1268
01:14:02,596 --> 01:14:05,836
Speaker 1: they were they were inseparable. They hung so Flee and

1269
01:14:05,956 --> 01:14:09,436
Speaker 1: I and back then we would room together. You know,

1270
01:14:09,436 --> 01:14:11,476
Speaker 1: it wasn't everybody have his own room. It was you

1271
01:14:11,716 --> 01:14:14,636
Speaker 1: split up two guys. And I think that they were

1272
01:14:14,716 --> 01:14:16,836
Speaker 1: having a little you know, at the beginning, there was

1273
01:14:17,116 --> 01:14:19,756
Speaker 1: it was the dynamic. It was a little tough. I

1274
01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:22,876
Speaker 1: think maybe Flee felt like, I don't know, you could

1275
01:14:23,036 --> 01:14:24,796
Speaker 1: speak to this better than me. But I get the

1276
01:14:24,876 --> 01:14:28,756
Speaker 1: feeling that he was probably like, you know, this the

1277
01:14:28,836 --> 01:14:32,036
Speaker 1: new guy, and that's just now he's like with John.

1278
01:14:32,276 --> 01:14:34,036
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he felt like it hurt

1279
01:14:34,076 --> 01:14:37,356
Speaker 1: his feelings or anything, but there was some There's always

1280
01:14:37,396 --> 01:14:41,716
Speaker 1: a little power struggle, and that's completely normal. Yeah, and

1281
01:14:41,876 --> 01:14:46,516
Speaker 1: you have very strong personalities in this band vera everybody

1282
01:14:47,116 --> 01:14:51,756
Speaker 1: very which is great. But you're gonna butt heads and

1283
01:14:52,476 --> 01:14:54,356
Speaker 1: you know, in the old days it would be like

1284
01:14:54,476 --> 01:14:56,276
Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you and you don't talk to the

1285
01:14:56,356 --> 01:15:01,036
Speaker 1: guy for two days. Now we talk it out, We

1286
01:15:01,236 --> 01:15:04,956
Speaker 1: figure it out. You don't sulk and be grumpy or

1287
01:15:05,276 --> 01:15:07,836
Speaker 1: or or ice somebody. You know, we just we. I

1288
01:15:07,876 --> 01:15:10,036
Speaker 1: think we've grown up. And I've seen that with them too,

1289
01:15:10,396 --> 01:15:13,396
Speaker 1: and they're I mean, they're always going to be best

1290
01:15:13,436 --> 01:15:17,156
Speaker 1: of friends. Yeah, your lives change, your priorities change, you

1291
01:15:17,236 --> 01:15:19,556
Speaker 1: get families, you have this, you have that, you grow

1292
01:15:19,636 --> 01:15:22,516
Speaker 1: up fucking almost sixty years old, for God's sake. But

1293
01:15:23,196 --> 01:15:27,396
Speaker 1: they have a connection like nobody that I've ever seen

1294
01:15:27,516 --> 01:15:29,996
Speaker 1: before that I've been around. And it's not just the

1295
01:15:30,156 --> 01:15:33,076
Speaker 1: music connection. It's part of it. It's a big part

1296
01:15:33,116 --> 01:15:35,396
Speaker 1: of it. It is now, But but it didn't stem

1297
01:15:35,516 --> 01:15:38,596
Speaker 1: from that, and it doesn't feel like that's what drives it.

1298
01:15:38,716 --> 01:15:40,876
Speaker 1: It feels like they're just they would be hanging if

1299
01:15:40,916 --> 01:15:43,556
Speaker 1: they weren't playing music together, they would still be hanging out. Yeah,

1300
01:15:43,796 --> 01:15:45,996
Speaker 1: let's go, sir, let's go to this. So they have

1301
01:15:46,076 --> 01:15:48,676
Speaker 1: a lot of there's very similar in some ways, some

1302
01:15:48,836 --> 01:15:52,916
Speaker 1: ways very different, of course. Yeah, but the core of

1303
01:15:53,076 --> 01:15:56,916
Speaker 1: it is that is that bond and that friendship, you know,

1304
01:15:57,636 --> 01:16:00,996
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. Yeah. I think of them as wildly

1305
01:16:01,116 --> 01:16:05,596
Speaker 1: different from each other, but also probably more similar than

1306
01:16:05,676 --> 01:16:12,076
Speaker 1: they are to anybody else. Yeah, yeah, because they really

1307
01:16:13,196 --> 01:16:17,756
Speaker 1: they don't suffer squares. Those guys they like freaks and

1308
01:16:17,916 --> 01:16:20,876
Speaker 1: they come from the same place, so they share they

1309
01:16:21,036 --> 01:16:25,756
Speaker 1: share like a worldview that because of the way they

1310
01:16:25,836 --> 01:16:28,876
Speaker 1: came up together in the streets of Hollywood. They just

1311
01:16:29,436 --> 01:16:32,556
Speaker 1: have a sense of the world. That's how they see it,

1312
01:16:32,916 --> 01:16:36,836
Speaker 1: and it's different than everybody else. Yeah, and that shapes

1313
01:16:36,996 --> 01:16:40,236
Speaker 1: that shapes a lot of things. And you know it's great.

1314
01:16:40,276 --> 01:16:43,676
Speaker 1: But they're kind and they're carrying and the good dads

1315
01:16:43,756 --> 01:16:47,236
Speaker 1: and the value part, you know, is important and growing

1316
01:16:47,316 --> 01:16:50,956
Speaker 1: up and seeing the world and doing great things that

1317
01:16:51,076 --> 01:16:54,356
Speaker 1: you can do and flee school and I mean, I'm

1318
01:16:54,396 --> 01:16:57,076
Speaker 1: so proud of him. I think he's amazing and Anthony

1319
01:16:57,196 --> 01:17:00,636
Speaker 1: you know as well, just like you know, I'm proud

1320
01:17:00,956 --> 01:17:02,756
Speaker 1: proud of those guys. I'm proud of our group and

1321
01:17:02,876 --> 01:17:04,636
Speaker 1: what we do and what we stand for, and we

1322
01:17:04,716 --> 01:17:07,756
Speaker 1: put positive energy out in the world. And those guys

1323
01:17:07,796 --> 01:17:09,156
Speaker 1: are you know, they're the face of the band and

1324
01:17:09,356 --> 01:17:12,956
Speaker 1: so it's like it's important and they they're amazing. Tell

1325
01:17:12,996 --> 01:17:17,276
Speaker 1: me a little bit about your experience of John coming

1326
01:17:17,356 --> 01:17:20,436
Speaker 1: back this time and writing them, the writing process for

1327
01:17:20,556 --> 01:17:22,956
Speaker 1: this album and the recording for this album. Just talk

1328
01:17:22,996 --> 01:17:26,396
Speaker 1: about this album a little bit. Yeah, well, you know it.

1329
01:17:26,476 --> 01:17:29,436
Speaker 1: And I think Anthony said, he you know, come on

1330
01:17:29,556 --> 01:17:32,156
Speaker 1: over and he's like, what do you think of John

1331
01:17:32,236 --> 01:17:35,476
Speaker 1: coming back in the band? I was like, what I mean,

1332
01:17:35,516 --> 01:17:37,476
Speaker 1: the first time he came back in the minute, I thought,

1333
01:17:37,516 --> 01:17:39,396
Speaker 1: I really thought it was crazy, but this is ten

1334
01:17:39,596 --> 01:17:45,036
Speaker 1: years now. I really thought that ship had sailed. And

1335
01:17:45,916 --> 01:17:50,196
Speaker 1: I was like what, and he's like, flee be They

1336
01:17:50,316 --> 01:17:53,036
Speaker 1: kind of been hanging out a little bit and I

1337
01:17:53,236 --> 01:17:56,916
Speaker 1: was like, are you on good terms? Everything okay? And

1338
01:17:56,996 --> 01:18:00,156
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, yep, we're good. I said, okay,

1339
01:18:01,236 --> 01:18:03,836
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to talk to John to see

1340
01:18:04,436 --> 01:18:06,276
Speaker 1: the obvious question, why do you want to come back

1341
01:18:06,276 --> 01:18:08,156
Speaker 1: in the band? So we flee and I went over

1342
01:18:08,236 --> 01:18:10,116
Speaker 1: to his house. And I hadn't seen John in a

1343
01:18:10,356 --> 01:18:13,436
Speaker 1: long time, long time. Once in a while we text

1344
01:18:13,516 --> 01:18:17,476
Speaker 1: each other, but a long time, probably seven years at least.

1345
01:18:17,956 --> 01:18:22,156
Speaker 1: And he said, well, I want to play music again,

1346
01:18:22,516 --> 01:18:24,556
Speaker 1: and I want to play guitar in a band. And

1347
01:18:24,676 --> 01:18:26,076
Speaker 1: the only band I want to be in as a

1348
01:18:26,156 --> 01:18:29,156
Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers. I go. But when you left,

1349
01:18:29,236 --> 01:18:31,076
Speaker 1: he were like, I didn't want to do all the

1350
01:18:31,196 --> 01:18:32,876
Speaker 1: things that you gotta do. You remember, and all the

1351
01:18:32,876 --> 01:18:34,796
Speaker 1: stuff you gotta do to be in a band, right,

1352
01:18:34,836 --> 01:18:37,516
Speaker 1: it's not just writing the songs and recording. It's a

1353
01:18:37,636 --> 01:18:40,156
Speaker 1: touring and the press and the videos and this and

1354
01:18:40,316 --> 01:18:43,396
Speaker 1: that in a travel and he seemed more self aware

1355
01:18:43,516 --> 01:18:46,436
Speaker 1: to me like he seemed you know, that he like

1356
01:18:46,636 --> 01:18:49,756
Speaker 1: understood what it takes, he knows what it takes, but

1357
01:18:49,876 --> 01:18:52,476
Speaker 1: that he was he was prepared for it, and that

1358
01:18:52,636 --> 01:18:55,596
Speaker 1: he wanted to do it and he really wanted to play. Yeah,

1359
01:18:56,196 --> 01:18:59,916
Speaker 1: and that won me over. I was like, Okay, I mean,

1360
01:19:00,036 --> 01:19:03,836
Speaker 1: you never know with anyone, and you know, look, this

1361
01:19:04,036 --> 01:19:06,276
Speaker 1: is the third time he's been in been in our group.

1362
01:19:06,716 --> 01:19:08,396
Speaker 1: But to go back to what I was saying before,

1363
01:19:09,156 --> 01:19:12,156
Speaker 1: we do have this special thing. Yeah, and I love

1364
01:19:12,276 --> 01:19:16,076
Speaker 1: Josh and he's a great musician, but we do have

1365
01:19:16,356 --> 01:19:19,956
Speaker 1: a special special chemistry with John, and I think that

1366
01:19:20,196 --> 01:19:23,196
Speaker 1: we had more music to make and have more experiences

1367
01:19:23,236 --> 01:19:26,196
Speaker 1: to have. And it was the timing felt right. Do

1368
01:19:26,316 --> 01:19:28,236
Speaker 1: you remember the first time you were in the room

1369
01:19:28,276 --> 01:19:30,636
Speaker 1: playing together. Yeah, it was the first time the whole

1370
01:19:30,676 --> 01:19:34,036
Speaker 1: group together. Or did you jam with John? No, we

1371
01:19:34,116 --> 01:19:37,196
Speaker 1: were all together. We were at the place in Beverly

1372
01:19:37,276 --> 01:19:40,316
Speaker 1: Glen that we were that very briefly. This was during

1373
01:19:40,396 --> 01:19:43,796
Speaker 1: the lockdown or not yet it was a lockdown already happening. Okay. No,

1374
01:19:44,116 --> 01:19:48,836
Speaker 1: it was in mid to late January, Okay, and we

1375
01:19:49,036 --> 01:19:51,596
Speaker 1: just jammed. We didn't play any songs. We just kind

1376
01:19:51,636 --> 01:19:54,316
Speaker 1: of jammed and he's like, I haven't stood up and

1377
01:19:54,396 --> 01:19:58,916
Speaker 1: played guitar in a long time, you know. And it's

1378
01:19:58,996 --> 01:20:01,996
Speaker 1: like dancing with some you know, you used to your

1379
01:20:02,116 --> 01:20:04,796
Speaker 1: dance partner, and then you're like okay, and then oh well,

1380
01:20:05,476 --> 01:20:07,156
Speaker 1: and you kind of figured out for a minute, like

1381
01:20:07,436 --> 01:20:10,956
Speaker 1: clean eye, we've been dancing a long time, John. We

1382
01:20:11,396 --> 01:20:14,796
Speaker 1: just had to kind of re just get acclimate a

1383
01:20:14,836 --> 01:20:18,036
Speaker 1: little bit to like each other's thing. Yeah, and didn't

1384
01:20:18,036 --> 01:20:21,956
Speaker 1: take long though, and he was really interesting to me.

1385
01:20:22,036 --> 01:20:24,316
Speaker 1: He didn't want to play. We didn't start trying to

1386
01:20:24,396 --> 01:20:26,796
Speaker 1: write songs right away. We just jammed and then he

1387
01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:31,316
Speaker 1: wanted to play old songs, like old blues songs. And

1388
01:20:31,996 --> 01:20:34,996
Speaker 1: you know, you know, John has such a vast, you know,

1389
01:20:35,156 --> 01:20:39,476
Speaker 1: vocabulary of music that he loves, and he would just say, hey,

1390
01:20:39,516 --> 01:20:41,596
Speaker 1: it was guys, we want to learn this one and

1391
01:20:41,836 --> 01:20:43,636
Speaker 1: this one, this one, and so we would learn them

1392
01:20:43,636 --> 01:20:46,916
Speaker 1: and play those. Then as a little bit time went by,

1393
01:20:47,036 --> 01:20:49,996
Speaker 1: he wanted to just play because we thought we were

1394
01:20:50,036 --> 01:20:53,596
Speaker 1: going to have to do some gigs that eventually got canceled,

1395
01:20:53,636 --> 01:20:56,996
Speaker 1: which was great for us, but he wanted to just

1396
01:20:57,156 --> 01:21:00,796
Speaker 1: play old chili pepper song, not the one anyone before

1397
01:21:00,876 --> 01:21:03,756
Speaker 1: him or I joined, like from the first and second

1398
01:21:03,796 --> 01:21:06,716
Speaker 1: and third album. He wanted to play Green Heaven and

1399
01:21:06,996 --> 01:21:10,356
Speaker 1: Get Up and Jump and you know, Mommy Wears Daddy,

1400
01:21:10,556 --> 01:21:14,836
Speaker 1: And he didn't want to play anything that he had

1401
01:21:14,876 --> 01:21:17,076
Speaker 1: played on or we had played on and and you know,

1402
01:21:17,156 --> 01:21:19,076
Speaker 1: that first couple of days, I was like, Okay, we'll

1403
01:21:19,196 --> 01:21:21,956
Speaker 1: learn Love Trilogy. Okay, we haven't played it in like

1404
01:21:22,116 --> 01:21:25,116
Speaker 1: twenty five years, but okay, were those things that you

1405
01:21:25,236 --> 01:21:27,876
Speaker 1: guys had played on tour when you first joined the

1406
01:21:27,916 --> 01:21:32,916
Speaker 1: band or not so much? Maybe maybe when I first joined.

1407
01:21:32,996 --> 01:21:36,156
Speaker 1: We yeah, we Mother's Milk. We had to play a

1408
01:21:36,476 --> 01:21:39,116
Speaker 1: lot of the older songs, but no, but yeah, but

1409
01:21:39,276 --> 01:21:42,276
Speaker 1: there were some that were like just random and what

1410
01:21:42,476 --> 01:21:46,756
Speaker 1: and what My conclusion wasn't I could speak for better,

1411
01:21:46,836 --> 01:21:49,756
Speaker 1: but I feel like he was trying to reconnect with

1412
01:21:49,956 --> 01:21:52,076
Speaker 1: the reason why he fell in love with the Red

1413
01:21:52,156 --> 01:21:54,996
Speaker 1: Hot Chili Peppers. That's just my take of it. And

1414
01:21:55,116 --> 01:21:58,276
Speaker 1: so then and then we started the usual process, jam

1415
01:21:58,676 --> 01:22:01,236
Speaker 1: who's got an idea? I had this baseline, I had

1416
01:22:01,316 --> 01:22:03,156
Speaker 1: this thing from home, Da da da da da, And

1417
01:22:03,276 --> 01:22:07,956
Speaker 1: we just started writing and Pandemic Kid of course, which

1418
01:22:08,036 --> 01:22:12,196
Speaker 1: was bummer for everybody in the world. But we could

1419
01:22:12,236 --> 01:22:14,236
Speaker 1: just be in this place, the four of us, we

1420
01:22:14,396 --> 01:22:16,876
Speaker 1: got to write and do our thing for We were

1421
01:22:16,956 --> 01:22:19,436
Speaker 1: at that point like, who knows how long just go

1422
01:22:20,236 --> 01:22:23,076
Speaker 1: with no interruption, nothing, and that what a you know,

1423
01:22:23,156 --> 01:22:26,876
Speaker 1: We're so fortunate to have that experience and have that

1424
01:22:27,076 --> 01:22:31,036
Speaker 1: outlet in such dark, weird times. So that was great,

1425
01:22:31,436 --> 01:22:35,756
Speaker 1: and so we just kept writing and until we saw

1426
01:22:35,876 --> 01:22:39,036
Speaker 1: you and you came down to the village that one day,

1427
01:22:39,076 --> 01:22:41,756
Speaker 1: but that was until like September or something, I think, right,

1428
01:22:42,356 --> 01:22:45,596
Speaker 1: So that was yeah, eight months, nine months or something

1429
01:22:45,996 --> 01:22:48,836
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it was great here just for walking

1430
01:22:48,876 --> 01:22:51,116
Speaker 1: around just like with a big smile on your face.

1431
01:22:51,276 --> 01:22:54,836
Speaker 1: You look so happy. You're like, oh my god, these

1432
01:22:54,916 --> 01:22:57,556
Speaker 1: guys are back together. I can't believe this. That's to

1433
01:22:57,636 --> 01:23:00,876
Speaker 1: feel like I got seeing you just kind of walk

1434
01:23:00,956 --> 01:23:02,676
Speaker 1: around the room while we were just playing our songs.

1435
01:23:02,716 --> 01:23:05,356
Speaker 1: We hadn't played them for anybody, yeah, you know, and

1436
01:23:05,476 --> 01:23:07,236
Speaker 1: then you know they weren't all done or everybody. Yeah,

1437
01:23:07,276 --> 01:23:08,356
Speaker 1: what do you think of this? When you think of that,

1438
01:23:08,436 --> 01:23:11,196
Speaker 1: and you're just like, right, great, sounds great. It wasn't

1439
01:23:11,236 --> 01:23:13,636
Speaker 1: even about the material yet, it was more it was

1440
01:23:13,716 --> 01:23:17,396
Speaker 1: just the feeling of you guys playing together. Sounded magical.

1441
01:23:17,796 --> 01:23:20,036
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't where there are these songs good

1442
01:23:20,156 --> 01:23:22,396
Speaker 1: enough yet, It wasn't that at all. It was just

1443
01:23:22,556 --> 01:23:26,996
Speaker 1: the feeling of like hearing the interaction of the playing

1444
01:23:27,676 --> 01:23:32,036
Speaker 1: and the basslines and the chord structures, and it just

1445
01:23:32,316 --> 01:23:36,556
Speaker 1: like wow, it's such a familiar feeling. It was like

1446
01:23:36,636 --> 01:23:42,476
Speaker 1: all new material, but a familiar flavor coming from people

1447
01:23:42,556 --> 01:23:44,556
Speaker 1: I love. So it was very exciting to feel. I

1448
01:23:44,636 --> 01:23:48,236
Speaker 1: remember crying, you know, it made me cry. Ah, that

1449
01:23:48,436 --> 01:23:52,236
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, I mean you felt like this sounds

1450
01:23:52,276 --> 01:23:55,436
Speaker 1: like these four guys. Yeah. Were you apprehensive? Did you

1451
01:23:55,556 --> 01:23:58,236
Speaker 1: were like, oh, what if I go? Yeah? No, no, no,

1452
01:23:58,356 --> 01:24:00,756
Speaker 1: I was excited to hear. But but I again have

1453
01:24:00,916 --> 01:24:04,316
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm gonna walk into, right. I have

1454
01:24:04,556 --> 01:24:07,396
Speaker 1: a funny story to tell the from the first time

1455
01:24:07,476 --> 01:24:10,676
Speaker 1: that John quite. I can't remember how long that window

1456
01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:13,036
Speaker 1: was where he wasn't in the band, but sometime during

1457
01:24:13,116 --> 01:24:15,956
Speaker 1: that time, towards the end of it, I went to

1458
01:24:17,116 --> 01:24:19,876
Speaker 1: I think it was Lochma. It was a museum had

1459
01:24:19,916 --> 01:24:25,676
Speaker 1: a film festival of Louis Bunol movies, and I remember

1460
01:24:25,716 --> 01:24:27,876
Speaker 1: I took a Bunol class when I went to school.

1461
01:24:27,876 --> 01:24:31,356
Speaker 1: I loved Bunol and I went to the Bunol movie

1462
01:24:31,476 --> 01:24:33,796
Speaker 1: and the movie ended and I walked out and someone

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01:24:33,876 --> 01:24:36,676
Speaker 1: came over to me, and it was this kind of

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01:24:36,876 --> 01:24:43,196
Speaker 1: plump guy wearing a sport jacket, like something that like

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01:24:43,316 --> 01:24:47,116
Speaker 1: substitute teachers used to wear. It was like a woven

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01:24:47,876 --> 01:24:54,036
Speaker 1: sport jacket. Is that at the substitute teacher's clothing store

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01:24:54,116 --> 01:24:56,076
Speaker 1: that you go to that you buy that. I don't know.

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01:24:56,156 --> 01:24:58,276
Speaker 1: I just the only people I've ever seen where this

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01:24:58,876 --> 01:25:02,236
Speaker 1: type of jacket was like a substitute teacher in class.

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01:25:03,556 --> 01:25:05,676
Speaker 1: And he looked at me. It's like it's John and

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01:25:05,756 --> 01:25:09,076
Speaker 1: it's like, what do you mean, John Who? I'm looking

1472
01:25:09,316 --> 01:25:11,476
Speaker 1: right in his face, like John Who. It's like it

1473
01:25:11,596 --> 01:25:18,156
Speaker 1: was John Fashanti. He was unrecognizable. Wow, unrecognizable. I remember that.

1474
01:25:18,396 --> 01:25:21,196
Speaker 1: And I was so happy to see him, just because

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01:25:21,236 --> 01:25:23,236
Speaker 1: I loved him, and the time i'd seen him before that,

1476
01:25:23,436 --> 01:25:26,236
Speaker 1: it seemed like I might never see him again, because

1477
01:25:26,316 --> 01:25:29,916
Speaker 1: before that, he was, you know, probably weighed you know,

1478
01:25:30,076 --> 01:25:33,516
Speaker 1: eighty pounds and was in a room covered in blood

1479
01:25:33,556 --> 01:25:38,596
Speaker 1: and vomit. So I didn't seem like this was different. Yeah,

1480
01:25:39,436 --> 01:25:43,076
Speaker 1: but it was shocking to see him look so different,

1481
01:25:43,156 --> 01:25:45,396
Speaker 1: and I was so happy to see him, and he

1482
01:25:45,556 --> 01:25:48,836
Speaker 1: seemed great, like he was just in a great mood,

1483
01:25:48,996 --> 01:25:51,196
Speaker 1: but really upbeat. And I was so happy to see

1484
01:25:51,276 --> 01:25:53,236
Speaker 1: him upbeat. The fact that he was coming out to

1485
01:25:53,236 --> 01:25:55,956
Speaker 1: see a movie was a good sign, Like everything about

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01:25:55,996 --> 01:25:59,276
Speaker 1: it was great. I don't remember how how long after

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01:25:59,396 --> 01:26:03,236
Speaker 1: that he ended up rejoining that first time. Yeah, I

1488
01:26:03,276 --> 01:26:06,876
Speaker 1: don't know anybody like him. He's a unique individual. Yeah,

1489
01:26:07,676 --> 01:26:10,796
Speaker 1: best musician I've ever played with. I mean I played

1490
01:26:10,796 --> 01:26:14,236
Speaker 1: with some good ones. I mean the most unique for sure,

1491
01:26:14,756 --> 01:26:18,436
Speaker 1: and especially on his instrument. I mean, he's amazing, and

1492
01:26:19,116 --> 01:26:21,596
Speaker 1: you know, and he just goes for whatever it is.

1493
01:26:22,116 --> 01:26:27,196
Speaker 1: He focuses on that laser focus and you know what,

1494
01:26:27,356 --> 01:26:30,316
Speaker 1: it's music, his drugs or is this or that? Or

1495
01:26:30,396 --> 01:26:33,196
Speaker 1: painting and no, no, no, And you know that's just

1496
01:26:33,316 --> 01:26:37,156
Speaker 1: who he is. And right now he's as you know,

1497
01:26:37,276 --> 01:26:41,476
Speaker 1: he's just he's dedicated. Man. He's into everything, into it

1498
01:26:41,916 --> 01:26:46,396
Speaker 1: all aspects of of the music and the band and

1499
01:26:46,556 --> 01:26:49,276
Speaker 1: the thing. And and it makes you up your game,

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01:26:49,716 --> 01:26:52,276
Speaker 1: you know, being around people like they. Yeah, of course,

1501
01:26:52,716 --> 01:26:55,316
Speaker 1: but as you mentioned, I too, I saw him in

1502
01:26:55,436 --> 01:26:57,916
Speaker 1: many different phases and yeah, I didn't I thought for

1503
01:26:58,076 --> 01:27:01,836
Speaker 1: sure that he was not gonna make it and I

1504
01:27:01,916 --> 01:27:04,036
Speaker 1: remember see him at the viper room with like and

1505
01:27:04,156 --> 01:27:07,996
Speaker 1: I came and he was playing becaustic guitar and this

1506
01:27:08,476 --> 01:27:12,356
Speaker 1: he had not many teeth. And I saw him in

1507
01:27:12,436 --> 01:27:14,916
Speaker 1: the back and I walk into the little dressing room

1508
01:27:14,916 --> 01:27:16,556
Speaker 1: in the VIP rooms were a quite a little dark

1509
01:27:16,596 --> 01:27:19,116
Speaker 1: little room, and somebody hits me in the back of

1510
01:27:19,236 --> 01:27:22,276
Speaker 1: hey fucker. And I look around and I was like you.

1511
01:27:22,356 --> 01:27:27,116
Speaker 1: I was like, who's this? Did not recognize them, unrecognizable

1512
01:27:27,396 --> 01:27:30,636
Speaker 1: two feet away. It was a little dark, but from

1513
01:27:30,676 --> 01:27:34,956
Speaker 1: here to here, I'm like, the fuck are you? And

1514
01:27:35,116 --> 01:27:38,476
Speaker 1: then I went oly, shit, his hair was really dark,

1515
01:27:39,396 --> 01:27:43,476
Speaker 1: but one amazing transformation. And you know what's great, Rick,

1516
01:27:43,636 --> 01:27:46,956
Speaker 1: is that another great thing about this is we get

1517
01:27:46,996 --> 01:27:49,476
Speaker 1: to make music together, make a lot of music, a

1518
01:27:49,556 --> 01:27:52,236
Speaker 1: lot of great music, and then we get to go

1519
01:27:52,396 --> 01:27:55,356
Speaker 1: play concerts with him. A lot of people have never

1520
01:27:55,516 --> 01:27:58,596
Speaker 1: seen him play with us before, and then the ones

1521
01:27:58,636 --> 01:28:01,716
Speaker 1: that have probably never thought they would again, and so

1522
01:28:02,316 --> 01:28:04,876
Speaker 1: it'd be really exciting. And of course, not being able

1523
01:28:04,876 --> 01:28:07,516
Speaker 1: to play any concerts for two and a half years

1524
01:28:07,596 --> 01:28:10,276
Speaker 1: almost so this is this is going to be pretty

1525
01:28:10,316 --> 01:28:13,356
Speaker 1: much June rolls around. It's going to be pretty pretty exciting.

1526
01:28:13,596 --> 01:28:17,276
Speaker 1: It was so lucky to participate in this thing. You know,

1527
01:28:17,436 --> 01:28:20,556
Speaker 1: it's like where it's a crazy thing. We get to

1528
01:28:20,636 --> 01:28:24,116
Speaker 1: be part of this thing. Rick, I want your listeners

1529
01:28:24,196 --> 01:28:27,556
Speaker 1: to know. I want your listeners to know that you are.

1530
01:28:29,476 --> 01:28:32,156
Speaker 1: We couldn't. We couldn't do it without you. We really couldn't.

1531
01:28:32,196 --> 01:28:35,156
Speaker 1: We could do it, but it would not be what

1532
01:28:35,356 --> 01:28:39,316
Speaker 1: it is, and you bring it. Thank you. Still, what

1533
01:28:39,436 --> 01:28:43,196
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the fact that all of us get

1534
01:28:43,236 --> 01:28:48,036
Speaker 1: to have this experience of making something and people caring

1535
01:28:48,076 --> 01:28:50,956
Speaker 1: about it is unbelievable that this is the life we

1536
01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:55,516
Speaker 1: get to live. It's unbelievable and how odd it is when,

1537
01:28:56,196 --> 01:28:58,836
Speaker 1: like you said, coming from the garage making things that

1538
01:28:58,956 --> 01:29:02,236
Speaker 1: you like, that's all it has ever been, you know,

1539
01:29:02,396 --> 01:29:04,636
Speaker 1: for me, my dorm room, making things I like. That's

1540
01:29:04,716 --> 01:29:08,676
Speaker 1: all it ever was. Just trying to make something that

1541
01:29:08,916 --> 01:29:11,276
Speaker 1: I liked, that I was excited to play for my friend.

1542
01:29:11,516 --> 01:29:15,116
Speaker 1: That's all, nothing more than that. And you keep it

1543
01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:19,476
Speaker 1: that way. It's always been right, always been that. I've

1544
01:29:19,476 --> 01:29:23,036
Speaker 1: always been that, and that's the authentic thing I believe,

1545
01:29:23,116 --> 01:29:26,476
Speaker 1: along with what the music is that connects with people

1546
01:29:26,916 --> 01:29:29,716
Speaker 1: because it's not trying to be something that it isn't

1547
01:29:29,756 --> 01:29:32,796
Speaker 1: other than what is real to me and what I'm

1548
01:29:32,876 --> 01:29:35,556
Speaker 1: trying to do or what we're trying to do as

1549
01:29:35,636 --> 01:29:38,956
Speaker 1: a group, and that's what connects with people. I gotta

1550
01:29:39,076 --> 01:29:41,756
Speaker 1: think that's what is because it's what we've done the

1551
01:29:41,836 --> 01:29:45,276
Speaker 1: whole time, and it's still connecting. For some odd reason,

1552
01:29:45,596 --> 01:29:48,476
Speaker 1: we're still relevant to people. Little kids come up to

1553
01:29:48,556 --> 01:29:51,196
Speaker 1: me and singing songs off of our record. My kids

1554
01:29:51,236 --> 01:29:54,716
Speaker 1: are singing and singing Black Summer. It's a trip. I know.

1555
01:29:55,676 --> 01:30:00,076
Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, you know what. Enjoyed this immensely. It's

1556
01:30:00,196 --> 01:30:02,676
Speaker 1: nice to see your face saying I got I got

1557
01:30:02,796 --> 01:30:05,916
Speaker 1: three guys waiting to jam and win't show up, don't

1558
01:30:05,916 --> 01:30:08,356
Speaker 1: make it happen. This was great. Thank you so much

1559
01:30:08,396 --> 01:30:11,716
Speaker 1: for doing this. Of course, send my love to the lads.

1560
01:30:12,476 --> 01:30:14,996
Speaker 1: I will. I just texta Gaya said, I'll be a

1561
01:30:15,036 --> 01:30:18,036
Speaker 1: little lam I'm talking to Rick, no problem, Oh good

1562
01:30:19,796 --> 01:30:23,916
Speaker 1: cool man, have fun. Will Thank you Rick, you too. Bye.

1563
01:30:26,716 --> 01:30:29,036
Speaker 1: Big thanks to Chad Smith for breaking down his history

1564
01:30:29,076 --> 01:30:31,196
Speaker 1: with the Red Hot Chili Peppers and talking about his

1565
01:30:31,316 --> 01:30:34,036
Speaker 1: life before joining the band. You can hear the Chili

1566
01:30:34,076 --> 01:30:36,596
Speaker 1: peppers new album Unlimited Love, along with all of our

1567
01:30:36,636 --> 01:30:39,476
Speaker 1: favorite songs of theirs on a playlist at broken record

1568
01:30:39,516 --> 01:30:42,796
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1569
01:30:42,876 --> 01:30:46,316
Speaker 1: channel at YouTube dot com slash broken record Podcast, where

1570
01:30:46,316 --> 01:30:48,836
Speaker 1: you can find all of our new episodes. You can

1571
01:30:48,876 --> 01:30:52,036
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter at broken Record. Broken Record is

1572
01:30:52,036 --> 01:30:56,356
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1573
01:30:56,476 --> 01:30:59,596
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Sanchez, with engineer and help from m chafee

1574
01:30:59,676 --> 01:31:04,556
Speaker 1: and also Shangarlow Studios. Our executive producer is Milabelle. Broken

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