Speaker 1: And then there are sometimes when you feel the energy
Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm getting the funk out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like for me with that old lady and the photo,
Speaker 1: it changed my life because I really like started thinking
Speaker 1: to myself. I was like, Okay, if we can see
Speaker 1: her in this photo, what if she was living in
Speaker 1: a completely different time period than us, And what if
Speaker 1: she looked in the mirror and was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing three blunt girls. Welcome to Kesha and the Creepys.
Speaker 1: Today we are welcoming very special guest, Bree Luna the Hoodwich.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here, Thank you for
Speaker 1: coming out, Thank you so much for having me. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. I'm really excited to talk to you because
Speaker 1: there's so many things. I was checking out. Your amazing
Speaker 1: nail aren't which mine are so tragic that I painted
Speaker 1: them this morning because I was like, I can't show
Speaker 1: up with these nails, They're just like too sad. And
Speaker 1: I was reading about witchcraft and I've been really interested
Speaker 1: in witchcraft since I was a little kid, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted from your perspective, what makes you a witch?
Speaker 1: Because I feel in my heart like I'm a witch,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I'm doing the necessary steps
Speaker 1: to be a witch. Well, I think that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: just culturally, when we think of the word which and
Speaker 1: we think of what that looks like, I think that
Speaker 1: there are so many common misconceptions of witchcraft in general,
Speaker 1: and like what a witch is and what a witch
Speaker 1: isn't so first and foremost, growing up, I have two
Speaker 1: grandmothers where I gained most of my spiritual practice from. Um,
Speaker 1: you have hereditary, which is you have people who are
Speaker 1: just solitary practitioners. So I think that just in general,
Speaker 1: the word which you know obviously um it's it can
Speaker 1: be like this big umbrella because the witch has always
Speaker 1: existed in every continent, every country, Uh you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So generally, most people's perception of a which
Speaker 1: is like an old haggard woman with like a big
Speaker 1: nose with the ward on it. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't look like that. Neither do my grandmother's neither do
Speaker 1: anyone you know that I know that practices. But I
Speaker 1: think that just overall, as an umbrella, um, the which
Speaker 1: has always existed in this archetype of just like this wild,
Speaker 1: fierce woman in rebellious woman, this rebellious energy um has
Speaker 1: always existed. So to be a witch and to claim
Speaker 1: that for yourself that can be in magical practice, or
Speaker 1: you know, it could be just about just energetically like
Speaker 1: how you feel. And I think that that alien has
Speaker 1: always just innately been with a lot of us. You know,
Speaker 1: when I hear the word which I feel empowered and
Speaker 1: I feel dangerous, but in the best way. Like, what
Speaker 1: do you do when people are like flippant or disrespectful
Speaker 1: about it? How do you deal with that? I'm generally,
Speaker 1: I feel like in my own practice and just who
Speaker 1: I am as a person, it's not really my job
Speaker 1: to convince anyone of you know, magic and witchcraft or
Speaker 1: any of those things. So people are going to have
Speaker 1: their own ideas of what a witch is and what
Speaker 1: a which isn't. And that's even something that's within our
Speaker 1: own community where you know, there's certain people who practice differently.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, when you think about it
Speaker 1: as a historical and just a cultural context, you know,
Speaker 1: there's all types of magic throughout the world. So someone
Speaker 1: like my grandmother wouldn't say like, oh, hey, I'm a witch,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like's not flagrant about you know,
Speaker 1: her practice. And I think that for a lot of
Speaker 1: people of color, black people especially um, you know, our
Speaker 1: beliefs in our ways, our spiritual practices in our ways
Speaker 1: were taken away from us. And so I think that
Speaker 1: there's a huge resurgence right now of a lot of
Speaker 1: women of color, especially like black and brown women, reclaiming uh,
Speaker 1: magical parts of themselves, parts of our ancestry, and reconnecting
Speaker 1: back into our power and what that means. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me about your grandmother? Yes, So I have two grandmothers.
Speaker 1: One is from New Orleans and she also moved to Texas.
Speaker 1: She practiced who do um. And then I have a
Speaker 1: Mexican grandmother who practiced anthia. So that's a whole different
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual practice, tradition. Um. So both of these
Speaker 1: things are like in my bloodline, within my own lineage.
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because for me growing up as
Speaker 1: a little girl, you know, when you're interested in like
Speaker 1: witchcraft and like, you know, magical things. I've always been
Speaker 1: like a very psychically sensitive person, even as a child.
Speaker 1: So I when I heard the word which I didn't
Speaker 1: think of like my grandmother's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I always thought I was like the pickle. No, like
Speaker 1: the scary wizard, you know, a wizard of Oz. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: my grandma don't look like that. But as I got older,
Speaker 1: you know, and you learn about like um, just like
Speaker 1: working with spirit and working with candle magic and going
Speaker 1: to the book like things like that, then you're kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, my grandma you know, like she
Speaker 1: does this or you know, this doesn't seem like an
Speaker 1: alignment with a lot of you know, Catholic or Christian
Speaker 1: type of things, Like I want like what are they
Speaker 1: up to? So to me, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it sparked that curiosity where you knew that there were
Speaker 1: like slightly like there was some things that were just
Speaker 1: like a little bit different than what would be the
Speaker 1: norm of most like Christian or like you know Catholic
Speaker 1: people's households. So um with them, you know, their practices
Speaker 1: obviously were still very hush hush. It was very quiet.
Speaker 1: It wasn't something that you outwardly just talked about. There
Speaker 1: were just things that you did, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For me, I wasn't learning these practices from my grandmother's
Speaker 1: from books or the internet and stuff like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but like I was saying, like just being like a
Speaker 1: very psychically sensitive child. When I became maybe in like
Speaker 1: fifth grade, you know, when you're like a younger girl,
Speaker 1: like that adolescent age, I really was like super into
Speaker 1: like the paranormal, and I love like learning about like
Speaker 1: the occult and like goes for me, like with the
Speaker 1: stuff that I found, because we didn't really have like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it wasn't such, it wasn't as accessible, um,
Speaker 1: so you would have to go to like a library
Speaker 1: or like a book store. So I would go to
Speaker 1: like every book store that I could go to and
Speaker 1: like go to the New age section and like look
Speaker 1: up occult, you know, like Wicca, and and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but this doesn't really you know, like looking into like Wicca,
Speaker 1: It's like that didn't really speak to me because I'm
Speaker 1: not like European, you know what I mean. So it
Speaker 1: was like they're all like very eurocentric um practices. Not
Speaker 1: to take away from that, because I learned, you know,
Speaker 1: so much in terms of like a historical context of
Speaker 1: like witchcraft and magic. But I think that when I
Speaker 1: the older that I got, I got closer into connecting
Speaker 1: back to my own roots, in my own cultural identity
Speaker 1: with being a black woman, with being a Mexican woman.
Speaker 1: Um in really embracing and learning more from you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like your heritage, what it sounds like,
Speaker 1: and in your bloodline and the hereditary energy that comes
Speaker 1: with any lineage. Like I know my mom, she's convinced
Speaker 1: she's an alien. I swear to you, she's a pisces.
Speaker 1: We're all okay, But so for me, it's not that crazy.
Speaker 1: It's not actually crazy at all. When she's talking to
Speaker 1: a tree and like I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk to the tree and give it a hug. Like
Speaker 1: that's so normal to me because that's what I grew
Speaker 1: up around. And we speak to animals as if they're people.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really sure what you would call that.
Speaker 1: It's just really nature in tune with nature. And I
Speaker 1: think that embracing like nature too is something that really
Speaker 1: is a huge part of witchcraft. And I mean that
Speaker 1: is I mean embracing the cycles of nature, embracing change
Speaker 1: and all of those things go want to you know,
Speaker 1: our hand in hand. And even if you don't call
Speaker 1: yourself a witch or a spiritual you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like it's just it's within all cultures, like that Paganism.
Speaker 1: So before there was like Christianity and this, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like the Balticism, all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: can go to any continent on the continent on the
Speaker 1: world and it's like from Europe to South America to Africa.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're always going to find the healer,
Speaker 1: the which, the shaman, the you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like we've always existed and it's culturally just it's within everyone,
Speaker 1: it is. And for a large part from reading about
Speaker 1: this more recently, because I actually had time to sit
Speaker 1: down and read a book for the first time in
Speaker 1: about a decade the past year, women in a large
Speaker 1: part have been written out of the history of shamanism,
Speaker 1: of powerful roles, and it really made me think about
Speaker 1: why why that is. And it's because most of history
Speaker 1: has been written by men, and it's been rewritten by men.
Speaker 1: It's been rewritten by white men. So a lot of
Speaker 1: women and women of color specifically just written out of history.
Speaker 1: And when you think of which is, I think of
Speaker 1: women being punished or burned at the stakes. In my mind,
Speaker 1: it made me a quate being a woman questioning standing
Speaker 1: up for something and maybe believing in something else. All
Speaker 1: of those things potentially are going to get you killed,
Speaker 1: and like, how dare you? So? I do think in
Speaker 1: this lifetime I've done past life aggressions where in my
Speaker 1: past life I've been told that I was burned at
Speaker 1: the stake for doing just that, questioning, causing just causing
Speaker 1: discomfort in a society that is run by men, and
Speaker 1: women are supposed to be very passive and accepting of
Speaker 1: how it is. And that's why I was really excited
Speaker 1: to talk to you, because I'm still kind of grasping
Speaker 1: the idea of what a witch means and it is.
Speaker 1: It's so different in every different culture as well well.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is something I think just culturally it
Speaker 1: depends on who you're asking, you know, because you can
Speaker 1: find practitioners from around the world and around the globe.
Speaker 1: And I think that I've spoken, you know, at multiple
Speaker 1: like conventions and things, you know, like a schools at
Speaker 1: n y U and all of these things, and I
Speaker 1: think that like it is important. I went to an
Speaker 1: esoteric book conference. I was the only woman of color there.
Speaker 1: There was just literally nothing but men, predominantly white men
Speaker 1: um and a few of women. And I went to
Speaker 1: this book conference and I remember just like listening to
Speaker 1: a couple of the lectures and I just at the end,
Speaker 1: I just like raised my hand and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, like, well, where do women of color and
Speaker 1: you know, black witches and where it is our spirituality
Speaker 1: fit into this narrative and to this story. And I'm
Speaker 1: like thinking to myself, like why am I the only
Speaker 1: like woman of color? You're like, this is like it
Speaker 1: was crazy, and I was like I know that I
Speaker 1: can't be like the only one. And so initially, like
Speaker 1: when I started my website, The Hood, which there were
Speaker 1: not other sources at that time doing it, like how
Speaker 1: I was, you know, and it was like I love fashion,
Speaker 1: you know if you know, you know those alreadies like
Speaker 1: I love nail or I love beauty. I love glamour
Speaker 1: and beauty and like magic and ritual and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to create a space where
Speaker 1: it just felt like me. You know. I went to
Speaker 1: so many moon ceremonies and pagan you know, it was
Speaker 1: like very like crunchy, very granola, and I'm just like, al,
Speaker 1: that is not me, Like that isn't you know, like
Speaker 1: that's not my thing. It's like, yes, I love like
Speaker 1: moon ceremonies, but like I just didn't fit in because
Speaker 1: everyone's like super green juice and I'm like, but I
Speaker 1: like whiskey, and I like, you know, I like whiskey
Speaker 1: and kombucha. Yeah, like you can do both. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to create a space, especially as a woman
Speaker 1: of color, like where I've felt welcomed more than anything.
Speaker 1: It's like I just wanted a space where, you know,
Speaker 1: I could have community and like, no matter what level
Speaker 1: you were at, you know, if you could you were
Speaker 1: a beginner of just learning about the cycles of the moon.
Speaker 1: I love astrology, putting real information in a very digestible
Speaker 1: way for just the novice or even someone who was advanced.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to feel inclusive and not like everyone
Speaker 1: is excluded. So no matter what you were, like your gender,
Speaker 1: your you know, religious practice, it's like, if you just
Speaker 1: had an interest, I wanted to create a space where
Speaker 1: you could get that information and it wasn't sugarcoated and
Speaker 1: it wasn't just from the perspective of you know, one
Speaker 1: way of viewing things and in going So your website
Speaker 1: is the hood which dot com everyone should check it out.
Speaker 1: It's really it's just very chic and cool and easily
Speaker 1: like you said, it's very easily digestible. As someone who's
Speaker 1: kind of a novice to all of this, I'm just
Speaker 1: exploring and I've felt the same way where I am.
Speaker 1: I have tattoos, you know, everywhere, and I have and um,
Speaker 1: I don't like just wear like yoga pants everywhere and
Speaker 1: only drink green juice. Is I also like whiskey as well.
Speaker 1: And it feels very much like it's a black or
Speaker 1: white or I mean really a black or white kind
Speaker 1: of environment, and I think that that's incredibly unfair to
Speaker 1: so many people that just want to explore spiritually. And
Speaker 1: I think that you're providing a really safe, comfortable, not
Speaker 1: intimidating place. So if anybody wants to check it out,
Speaker 1: highly encourage you. Hoodwitch dot com and your Instagram is
Speaker 1: the Hoodwitch, right, yeah, And you know, just in looking
Speaker 1: at what you post, it's very spiritual, it's very cosmic,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting, it's really fun, it's really youthful. It's
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of crazy energy in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and in Hollywood and downtown, like every different part of
Speaker 1: the city. Has its very vortex of cosmic past energy.
Speaker 1: Energy like Hollywood is such a trip. And yeah, downtown,
Speaker 1: which I read that you're like you find to be
Speaker 1: not the most positive energy downtown Los Angeles. Hey mean, okay, no,
Speaker 1: Downtown it is. It has its own energy. It's definitely intense. Um.
Speaker 1: I have a few stories of just like, Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to post the photo because everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: want to see after guys. Just so, there was a
Speaker 1: bar in downtown l A. It's called the Association. Um.
Speaker 1: It's very old building for people who live in l A,
Speaker 1: like they know what the door looks like. It's like
Speaker 1: a weird like lion's mouth that you kind of like
Speaker 1: use as like a little knocker when you go outside
Speaker 1: of it. It's spooky. It's very it's like really old.
Speaker 1: It's like an old fashioned type of bar. Um and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really recognize it. It It just has a black door.
Speaker 1: Is very discreet downtown. Right. So I went there one night,
Speaker 1: um for a hip hop night with my friends. Um,
Speaker 1: we were just having a girl's night. It was very
Speaker 1: crowded and the general group of people, like the vibe
Speaker 1: was pretty mixed crowd but predominantly just like very like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like young, like black and you know,
Speaker 1: just like young, like just young people like fun, good time.
Speaker 1: So my girlfriends and I go to use the restroom
Speaker 1: and we're pretty drunk at this point, like we're like,
Speaker 1: let's take some selfies for Instagram, you know. So we're like,
Speaker 1: take take our phones out. We're in the mirror. We're
Speaker 1: like boom, boom, boom, like hitting every angle like you
Speaker 1: know what it's like. And no one because so no
Speaker 1: one was in the restroom with us because the DJ
Speaker 1: that was playing it was like a really like popular DJ,
Speaker 1: everyone like love. So no one was in the bathroom
Speaker 1: and it was very odd considering this is like a
Speaker 1: you know, like a pop in like bar. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we're in there just taking selfies while we had no
Speaker 1: one in the restrooms with us, and that was it,
Speaker 1: like we were just in there by ourselves. So we
Speaker 1: leave the restroom, we leave it for the night. We
Speaker 1: go back home and I was like, oh, like let's
Speaker 1: look at the pictures, like I want to post it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So we're like scrolling through like going through all, you know,
Speaker 1: because we took like five millions mirrors and so I
Speaker 1: did going through all of the pictures, and my friends
Speaker 1: stops and she's like, who is that? And I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And girl, we zoom in
Speaker 1: to the picture and there's a little old white woman
Speaker 1: and she's in the back of our photo, like there
Speaker 1: is a door, like there's the restroom doors. There was
Speaker 1: no one in the bathroom with us, okay, but there
Speaker 1: was no one in the restroom with us. And there's
Speaker 1: a little old white woman. I shoot you not. She
Speaker 1: has like a nineteen forties, like nineteen forties kind of hairstyle.
Speaker 1: It was like a little ice creams I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: the picture, but like she has like a little ice
Speaker 1: cream scoop and you just see this like white, transparent woman.
Speaker 1: And I scrolled through the other photos and we're looking
Speaker 1: she's not in any of the other photos, justin one.
Speaker 1: And then it gets fucking weirder. So you look to
Speaker 1: the right of the photo because we showed our friend's mom,
Speaker 1: and she's like, whose hand is that? And we're like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Girl, zoom in to the
Speaker 1: right side of the photo. There's a fucking hand, like
Speaker 1: an old white lady's hand, like reaching out of where
Speaker 1: the mirror is and they're on in the bathroom, so
Speaker 1: like it's a creepy handing. You even see like it
Speaker 1: has nail polish on it, Like it was so creepy,
Speaker 1: Like it was terrifying. And so then the rest of
Speaker 1: the photos are just our selfies. But you can see
Speaker 1: a full you know what I mean, like a full
Speaker 1: view of the room of like what that looks like. Like, um,
Speaker 1: you see the mirror, you see the bathroom doors, but
Speaker 1: like there's no one in there and you see that
Speaker 1: there's nobody else in there. Yes, and so I okay,
Speaker 1: So I've had some weird experiences downtown as well, Like
Speaker 1: I just I love it down there. I used to
Speaker 1: work down there. I worked as a bar back and
Speaker 1: then I got fired, and then I worked at a
Speaker 1: wine bar and then I got fired. But I'm just
Speaker 1: like I'm not good at bartending apparently. But I would
Speaker 1: always find there were a couple of blocks that I
Speaker 1: just wouldn't ride my bike through because it really like
Speaker 1: the energy was really scary. It was really dark and
Speaker 1: it just felt spooky as fun. It was really close
Speaker 1: to that hotel see saw Hotels Feesel. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: have you watched that, Yeah, which is it's a trip.
Speaker 1: I mean parts of the documentary. I'm like, how legit
Speaker 1: is this? But it's just that that hotel. I did
Speaker 1: film in there one time, that energy did. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: energy in there is it's it's dark, like it's Richard
Speaker 1: Rameriz was fucking staying in there. That's terrifying. I mean
Speaker 1: I can only imagine like that's like the least of
Speaker 1: the concerns, considering like it's a hundred years old, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, imagine how many like dead thing? I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's terrifying. I'm what was gonna tell you? So,
Speaker 1: speaking of spooky hotel, Zoe, Um, have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the hotel Ambassador Hotel? Oh? Hell yeah, where they
Speaker 1: have the Roosevelt used to be the Roosevelt when we
Speaker 1: could go places right, Oh, the Ambassador Downtown. Where was that?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think it was like in its in
Speaker 1: l A. But it's where what's his name, I'm John
Speaker 1: Kennedy's brother was assassinated in the Yeah, Okay, so I
Speaker 1: think if we're talking about the same place, it's like
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle of Hollywood, across the street
Speaker 1: from Man. But I got torn down. Oh I didn't
Speaker 1: know that it's torn down at a school now, oh God,
Speaker 1: but you have to look it up. I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: send you this on them, like we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: it like it's fucking It was terrifying. It was so
Speaker 1: so so scary, like it was super haunted. It looked
Speaker 1: exactly kind of like the Shining. They had that little
Speaker 1: like copa cabana type of nightclub that was in there.
Speaker 1: And so one of my ex boyfriends and I were working.
Speaker 1: He was working on a Snoop Dogg movie. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a film there that was shot called The Tenants, and
Speaker 1: so Snoop Dogg was there and he's like in this movie.
Speaker 1: And then um, we had to work like he was
Speaker 1: a scenic painter, so like we had to stay at
Speaker 1: night to like help, you know, I was helping him
Speaker 1: like paint the walls. And girl, they're just like so
Speaker 1: many scary things that have happened, Like you have to
Speaker 1: tell me what happened. Dyer story was one night in there,
Speaker 1: so like they used to make us leap set, like
Speaker 1: no one could stay after sundown. That was like one
Speaker 1: of the rules. They were like, Okay, you can't stay
Speaker 1: and when the sun goes down, we're like, oh whatever,
Speaker 1: like they're just being like superstitious. I don't care. So
Speaker 1: my X and I like we went and we stayed
Speaker 1: after sundown on purpose now to like finish working the walls. Well,
Speaker 1: it was kind of on purpose. I was scared. Um,
Speaker 1: So we're in there and I've shipped, you're not, so,
Speaker 1: like we're painting the walls and we look over and
Speaker 1: we hear like one of the room doors open like
Speaker 1: it because we're on the hotel, like imagine the shining
Speaker 1: like you know, there's like the old school like hallway.
Speaker 1: Then there's like a door that like opened up, and
Speaker 1: we're like looking and you see almost like this mirrage.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a floaty Um. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to describe it. You know, like when you look
Speaker 1: at a mirrage and it looks like the image like
Speaker 1: it's like like floaty like gas like out of the
Speaker 1: show Over, like when you see heat coming out, it's
Speaker 1: like you can see like the waves of the heat.
Speaker 1: It looked like that coming down the hallway with like
Speaker 1: a midst of like a like a white fog that
Speaker 1: was like coming closer to us, and we just looked
Speaker 1: at each other and we were so freaked. So then
Speaker 1: while we're on set, while they're rolling and Snoop is
Speaker 1: on the set and everyone's like, you know, standing in
Speaker 1: this um like in the set where they're filming, so
Speaker 1: like quiet on the set. Everyone's quiet. Boom, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you hear a door like creek open and
Speaker 1: then it slams shut. And so then the detractors like
Speaker 1: cut and everyone almost said like holy fun, like we're
Speaker 1: all mounting. They're like, oh my god, like what the
Speaker 1: funk was that? Like the door opened up by itself
Speaker 1: and then slammed. So we were freaked out. I was
Speaker 1: I did not work on that set again. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, wouldn't stuff like that happened to me? I
Speaker 1: feel like it's happened to me a couple of times
Speaker 1: in my life. And there are sometimes where I feel
Speaker 1: like it's just kind of a lost spirit, like someone
Speaker 1: that's passed away that maybe doesn't know they've passed away
Speaker 1: in some in between space I'm not really sure, a
Speaker 1: lost soul kind of And then there are sometimes when
Speaker 1: you feel the energy where you're like I'm getting the
Speaker 1: funk out of here, yes, but like for me, with
Speaker 1: that old lady and the photo, it changed my life
Speaker 1: because I really like started thinking to myself. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we can see her in this photo, what if
Speaker 1: she was living in a completely different time period than us,
Speaker 1: And what if she looked in the mirror was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing three blood girl, three color you like in there,
Speaker 1: like you know, this old fashioned, old white woman like
Speaker 1: who knows what type of like cocktail bar, you know,
Speaker 1: like whatever that bar was like in the nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming maybe there was still like segregated or I
Speaker 1: don't know, like the nineteen thirties, but like what if
Speaker 1: she saw these like three like women of color in
Speaker 1: the mirror and her friends were probably like, oh, Barbara,
Speaker 1: you're just drunk, like come back, you know, like and
Speaker 1: that's where the hands like coming back. You know. It's
Speaker 1: almost like this weird like timeline, yes, Like what if
Speaker 1: it was actually happening in the same time that we
Speaker 1: were there, Like what if it was all like what
Speaker 1: what if it was like a timeline that like overlaps
Speaker 1: each other and like, I don't know, like that to me,
Speaker 1: it kind of like takes the spookiness away from like
Speaker 1: what's a ghost and it's someone dead. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: what if it's not a ghost, Like what if we're
Speaker 1: just living in like a coexisting and like multiple timelines
Speaker 1: right now? Yes, and multiple We're all in the same space,
Speaker 1: but in different dimensions, different time. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the factors is just different. I think about that too,
Speaker 1: because I had a really weird experience when I got
Speaker 1: woken up by an apparition at the end of the bed.
Speaker 1: And I always like love staying at haunted places. I
Speaker 1: love scaring the ship out of myself. I think it's fun.
Speaker 1: And then this happened, and I remember thinking specific quickly like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is making me sad for this girl. She seems
Speaker 1: really lost, and she seems really sad. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: scared at all. It was her energy was just really different.
Speaker 1: She was dressed in like high neck like very old school,
Speaker 1: like eighteen hundreds maybe dressed. But I had the same
Speaker 1: Where were you I was in I was in Texas
Speaker 1: at this place called Miss Molly's. I think it's a
Speaker 1: haunted brothel. It's haunted. See. I like seek these places out,
Speaker 1: and then when I scare the ship out of myself,
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh God, but I chase these adventures
Speaker 1: with the supernatural and unexplainable because it makes me feel
Speaker 1: so alive and small in a great way. Like our
Speaker 1: own show. Now, let's have our own paranormal. Let's go.
Speaker 1: I would love to. I want to go to all.
Speaker 1: I want to go to see that fucking aliens. Yes,
Speaker 1: when outside opens, let's have a show. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: like this is where new We're gonna go, like the
Speaker 1: Ghost Adventure, Let's go. I want to see the ghosts.
Speaker 1: I want to see the aliens. I want to see
Speaker 1: the other dimensions. I want to like, I just want
Speaker 1: to immerse myself in every different kind of thought. Someone
Speaker 1: once called me a nature punk, which was the closest
Speaker 1: thing that I was like, Oh, yeah, I am that,
Speaker 1: Like that's I defined myself now as a nature punk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's like, that's what I feel like. But
Speaker 1: I'm also I know I'm a witch, but I also
Speaker 1: don't necessarily exactly know what that means. I have an alter,
Speaker 1: don't I know? I know I'm I am. I am
Speaker 1: a witch. You're right, I'm going to stay it with pride.
Speaker 1: I am a witch. I just don't know exactly if
Speaker 1: there's rituals for instance, Like there's different rituals for different
Speaker 1: every different religion, So what's what's like a ritual? Is
Speaker 1: there a very important ritual to practicing witchcraft that is
Speaker 1: like an initiative? I mean, I feel like everybody's practice
Speaker 1: is so different, do you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: like I can't sit here and be like, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: the black and white eight is the guide of what
Speaker 1: is you're gonna this is how you're going to be
Speaker 1: a witch. Because there are some people who are like
Speaker 1: shut the hell up, like that's not what I do,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like that's not how
Speaker 1: I define my practice. So I think it's so deeply personal.
Speaker 1: And if you're not you know, initiated into a specific tradition,
Speaker 1: because every tradition, in each each practice is going to
Speaker 1: be so different, do you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: you have like wickens, and you have like chaos magicians,
Speaker 1: and you have you know what I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: the solitary witch and Dianic, which is it's like you
Speaker 1: have all of these like different practices. So it's like
Speaker 1: there's no one size fits all, Like I can't tell
Speaker 1: you like, hey, kesha, um, you need to do this
Speaker 1: naked full moon rich ritual. What's like, maybe that's something
Speaker 1: that I like doing, maybe I think all which is
Speaker 1: actually like actually, I'm like, I feel like we all
Speaker 1: really love being naked under a full moon. But you know,
Speaker 1: just generally speaking, there really isn't I wouldn't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, you know, to be a witch, you
Speaker 1: need to do this. I think to be a witch
Speaker 1: you need to create your own meaningful ritual. I think
Speaker 1: you need to be true to yourself. I think you
Speaker 1: should be respectful of nature, be respectful of the cycles
Speaker 1: of nature. Um, and you know what I mean. And and
Speaker 1: and even still it's like that's not even a guideline,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you have satanic witches,
Speaker 1: you have all there's just there's a whole realm of
Speaker 1: witches and witchcraft. And so they're again like I said,
Speaker 1: there's no one size fits all, there's no right, there's
Speaker 1: no wrong. And I think that that is the beauty
Speaker 1: of being a witch, that archetype, that's like the wild
Speaker 1: that energy, that wildness. Or it's like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: tell me ship like I'm gonna do what the funk
Speaker 1: I want to do and that's I'm not. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's the difference, you know, Like the witch is like
Speaker 1: it's not a queen, it's not a princess, it's not
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, any of these things. It's like,
Speaker 1: if I want to be ugly, if I want to
Speaker 1: be dark and scary, and you know, if I want
Speaker 1: to be light and loving and etherory all these things,
Speaker 1: It's like, that doesn't make me any less of a witch,
Speaker 1: because that's just that's the beauty. That's the power of
Speaker 1: the witch, is truly and just fiercely and unapologetically embracing
Speaker 1: your nature and what you are, and that is the witch.
Speaker 1: I love that I am a witch. I'm a motherfucking witch.
Speaker 1: Motherfucking witches for real. Though I think I hesitate because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I believe in like so
Speaker 1: many different things, and sometimes I want to be really
Speaker 1: like a total light worker, and sometimes I want to
Speaker 1: be kind of like a naked moon gremlin at the
Speaker 1: beach and just like be like a total psychic. But
Speaker 1: I think you can be all of those things, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm over the past year, I've been
Speaker 1: really trying to focus on harnessing all of the natures
Speaker 1: of who I am, and instead of trying to be
Speaker 1: ashamed of them, be proud of them. And if they
Speaker 1: make me happy and they're coming from a place that
Speaker 1: is making some sort of positive change with it myself
Speaker 1: for it to other people, it's been fucking owning it.
Speaker 1: And that's like really difficult sometimes in a society that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily the kindest two people. And I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine like the past year. Yeah, I think that's something.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm really proud of myself. I'm very grateful
Speaker 1: to be in a position where I was to create
Speaker 1: the space, this platform if it's to help anyone, if
Speaker 1: anybody gets anything out of what I do, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that for me, um interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: was like really stepping to the forefront. And you know,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of shipped from you know, other
Speaker 1: other witches and like white witches are blackly it's like
Speaker 1: not even just to put like a race on it,
Speaker 1: but it's like a lot of old school witches who
Speaker 1: are like, well, I don't like the commercialization of all
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, you can talk shit about like
Speaker 1: younger people like millennials, you know, going to urban outfitters
Speaker 1: and buying their first ptero at deck. But it's like
Speaker 1: fuck you, Like just because someone you know, like is
Speaker 1: going with these like silly places, They're going to eventually
Speaker 1: have a genuine knowledge and they want to learn. So
Speaker 1: everyone starts somewhere, and not to really not to condone
Speaker 1: like buying things from like you know, appropriative places, because
Speaker 1: I don't condone that. Definitely it's support small business to
Speaker 1: buy a tarot decks, but um, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like young like young kids, you know, like teenagers and
Speaker 1: like you know, like just younger kids, like they want
Speaker 1: to learn about it. And I'm like, not everyone starts
Speaker 1: off as being this like you know, all knowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: all wisdom bearing like witch and powerful goddess healer. It's
Speaker 1: like you all, there's a curiosity, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that that's the beauty with so many people who
Speaker 1: are stepping away from you know, organized religion and like
Speaker 1: these outdated like patriarchal beliefs, they have to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: So if if it's with Instagram or you know, seeing
Speaker 1: a post that inspires them, or seeing a person or
Speaker 1: learning from someone who looks like them, and for me,
Speaker 1: it was like I was so afraid, Like when I
Speaker 1: first started doing hood, which I never posted pictures, and
Speaker 1: it was always I was known for my mail art
Speaker 1: in my hands because I would hold like crystals, and
Speaker 1: I didn't want my looks to take away from my message,
Speaker 1: which is also something like a very patriarchal thing where
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh well, if I look this way, then
Speaker 1: people won't take me seriously. Um. But then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: funk that, Like, I absolute right. It's like I'm a
Speaker 1: black woman, I'm a Mexican woman, I have like I'm
Speaker 1: a you know, all of these things, Like within my culture,
Speaker 1: it's like representation matters, and to be in a space
Speaker 1: where you know this, oh well, she's, you know, culturally
Speaker 1: the same. I grew up this way and I love
Speaker 1: art and I love beauty and all that stuff, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you find someone who is like relatable, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's important and that really helps me
Speaker 1: to keep going. Being unique and unfamiliar is what makes
Speaker 1: people so intriguing and interesting, and that's what I love
Speaker 1: the most about getting to talk to people, is what
Speaker 1: makes them them, Like what makes you you where did
Speaker 1: you come from? Where did you, like, how did you
Speaker 1: learn these things like your ancestors, and also taking into
Speaker 1: account the younger generation where everyone is on Instagram and TikTok,
Speaker 1: and why shouldn't we be exploring our spirituality in those arenas.
Speaker 1: That's where everybody is right now. And I think the
Speaker 1: younger you are getting to know yourself and being aware
Speaker 1: of spirituality. I think that's all a really positive way
Speaker 1: to use social media. I agree, and I think that
Speaker 1: we're innately you know, spiritual being. So it's like no
Speaker 1: matter how you get there, the point is is like
Speaker 1: you're just gonna get there, and you're going to connect
Speaker 1: with people that you vibe with. You're going to connect
Speaker 1: with people who are speaking to you and that are
Speaker 1: going to help you to like grow. So not everyone's
Speaker 1: going to start off knowing everything. And I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, elders need to be more open, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of them are like um with I
Speaker 1: just feel like if you're going and you're teaching in
Speaker 1: a manner that's respectful of you know, traditions, and like
Speaker 1: I said, there are some magical practices that have very
Speaker 1: strict guidelines that you absolutely need to be initiated into.
Speaker 1: There are things that you can't just google and you know,
Speaker 1: insert yourself into. And there are things that you need
Speaker 1: to be culturally sensitive to where you cannot just put
Speaker 1: yourself into a practice or like oh, I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: worship o'shoon and I'm gonna It's like no, sweetheart, Like
Speaker 1: these are real, like religions that you actually have to
Speaker 1: go through, like ceremony and like learning the information, Like
Speaker 1: you need to be guided, Like this is not something
Speaker 1: that's for play, and it's just not for you know,
Speaker 1: for fun. This is like real life, yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: for it's My spirituality is something that's like ever changing
Speaker 1: and growing, and it's something I want to protect more
Speaker 1: than anything in the world because it's solely and you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times in life there's so many things
Speaker 1: people can take and take from you or but like
Speaker 1: your spirituality, your connection to source with the universe, like
Speaker 1: that's yours and nobody can work with that. And to
Speaker 1: take it slow and do it correctly. There's something I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do and also just explore. I want to
Speaker 1: explore and know about everyone else and what they believe in,
Speaker 1: because I really do think we're all we are all connected,
Speaker 1: and the more we can see that instead of dividing
Speaker 1: with the religions where it's just like so so divisive
Speaker 1: versus realizing we're all trying to find our own inner
Speaker 1: golden light or higher consciousness and that's all part of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I love this pices, this very Pisces
Speaker 1: dreamy energy or like we're all into connected as we are.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. But you're Taurus, right, your Taurus. I am
Speaker 1: a taurust and Taurus done in mood, and I have
Speaker 1: a scorpio rising Scorpio rising too. I think that's where
Speaker 1: the like don't work with me a little part of it.
Speaker 1: But it's also I feel like our witchiness too. It is,
Speaker 1: and I think it's important as a woman too to
Speaker 1: have a little bit because I have the Pisces on Pisces,
Speaker 1: and then I'm the Year of the Rabbit, so I'm
Speaker 1: all like good vibes and fuzzy, and then I have
Speaker 1: a little scorpio just it's like my protection to be like,
Speaker 1: but don't talk with me, but like, but so is
Speaker 1: your beauty regimen. Like all of that is very important
Speaker 1: to you. From what I was reading on your like
Speaker 1: the website that you find it really important and I
Speaker 1: do too, obviously, yes, I love Okay, so I don't
Speaker 1: give a ship. Like people can be dismissive, especially like
Speaker 1: in the space of like I don't think so anymore,
Speaker 1: but like in the world of like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what and I wouldn't even say like witchcraft, but I
Speaker 1: do like in the spiritual world or community. Um, some
Speaker 1: people like look down at it. But like, I don't
Speaker 1: give a ship because I'm like beauty and taking care
Speaker 1: of yourself and these are not just like vain things,
Speaker 1: and so what if it is I feel like being
Speaker 1: a witch, like you're a witch, Like you're not a saint,
Speaker 1: like you're not you know, trying to be like holier
Speaker 1: than now. It's like, of course witches have always been
Speaker 1: like sexy and care about glamour and beauty, and I
Speaker 1: think that, um, taking care of yourself however, you see fit,
Speaker 1: even if it's not with makeup, if it's with your diet,
Speaker 1: if it's with you know, doing a certain amount of exercise,
Speaker 1: it's about really like taking care of your physical vessel
Speaker 1: and caring for your body and caring for yourself or
Speaker 1: even just lurging on like buying you know, getting your
Speaker 1: hair done or your nails or a facial or a massage.
Speaker 1: Like these are like that's your temple, that's your body,
Speaker 1: Like that's something that's sacred. So why wouldn't I put
Speaker 1: that into my practice of empowerment? Why wouldn't I want
Speaker 1: to feel good about myself? And I really try to
Speaker 1: um share that with other people as well, Like it's
Speaker 1: not just something that's like a vain thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's like it's empowering. It's it's how you ground yourself.
Speaker 1: Even for your rituals, for your spells, if you take
Speaker 1: like a nice shower or like a bad and you're
Speaker 1: burning you know, your favorite candles or your incense and
Speaker 1: you're saying like, you know, positive affirmations to yourself, or
Speaker 1: even if it's you know, it can get dark and
Speaker 1: not not darker, but like get deeper. It's like a
Speaker 1: sex ritual, you know, like anything like just something that
Speaker 1: like makes you feel good. It's like why the fun?
Speaker 1: Why don't you want to feel good? Like you can
Speaker 1: do that on your own, and it's not like no
Speaker 1: one should criticize that. I just feel like, uh, the
Speaker 1: form of transformation its powerful. It is powerful, and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be shameful to be both spiritually inclined and also
Speaker 1: want to feel like the best version and most powerful
Speaker 1: version of yourself, like absolutely as a woman, it's you know,
Speaker 1: fortunately or unfortunately people look at you. And if I
Speaker 1: can put on like a cat, I and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden I feel more powerful. And why I couldn't
Speaker 1: I do it. I don't ever leave the house without
Speaker 1: a black cat. I I even wore red lips freeze today.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the gorgeous well red lips are definitely
Speaker 1: they're like historically. Don't know why. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just red, the color red or what it is,
Speaker 1: but a red lip is just always fiercely dangerous, and
Speaker 1: so I love it. It's living in your power. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're bad, bitch powered. I fucking love that. I don't
Speaker 1: know that much about the black dahlia, but my god,
Speaker 1: I was told that you're really into it. So I
Speaker 1: was wondering if you could educate me on what I know.
Speaker 1: It's like a Hollywood terrifying murder. There was always this
Speaker 1: theory that like whoever murdered her was like very much
Speaker 1: like inclined with like the medical profession, so like her
Speaker 1: body was like fully drained of it of the blood.
Speaker 1: Did they ever figure out who did it? No? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I need to really get on this because
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about it. And it's one
Speaker 1: of those things I don't know if you do this,
Speaker 1: but there's like I love a good this sounds really
Speaker 1: fucked up. I I do kind of like I love
Speaker 1: a good creepy story. I do. I just like that.
Speaker 1: And I've been saving this one because I've heard it's
Speaker 1: really insane, but I haven't like yet like dove into
Speaker 1: the details of it. But I'm going to do that tonight.
Speaker 1: That's like what I'm gonna do for fun. That's what
Speaker 1: I do for fun. I know. No, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: But like there is also another book, um, I think
Speaker 1: it was. It's like an old book. I'm gonna I
Speaker 1: might have two copies of it, and if I do,
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you on. It's called Psychic California
Speaker 1: and it's out of print and it's like an old
Speaker 1: book and it's like it talks about like the occult
Speaker 1: in like just spooky history of the cult and everything
Speaker 1: of like California and Los Angeles. I love ship like that.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with cults in California. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but California is a great place to have
Speaker 1: a really fucked up cult historically speaking. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Keshia, let's start a cult? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: I just wrote a song called Let's go start a
Speaker 1: cult in Texas because I've always wondered what that would
Speaker 1: be like. But mine wouldn't like I wouldn't want anybody
Speaker 1: to murder. Anybody would be a very loving, happy call. Okay,
Speaker 1: we won't have a murdered cult. If we have a
Speaker 1: call a total witch cult where it's like just like
Speaker 1: nature or mother nature worship, female worship power and not
Speaker 1: having to I feel like as a woman too, i
Speaker 1: find myself downplaying my power and I'm like, I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to unlearn that, Like I'm trying to unlearned downplaying
Speaker 1: my power, and this is like part of it is
Speaker 1: maybe a cult. But if you had a cult, what
Speaker 1: would be what would the outfits be? I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like, what would the outfits be? For me? It's
Speaker 1: my outfits gonna be black, So I'm already I still
Speaker 1: liked to black. Maybe everyone gets their own color. Oh,
Speaker 1: that would be great. I would love to be like
Speaker 1: a baby pink cult member. Oh it's such a pissies
Speaker 1: know you're like, I'm going to have baby pink with
Speaker 1: glitter and black. Scorpio was like, okay, but I love
Speaker 1: emerald green Toosela is my wig inner Taurus earthy. I
Speaker 1: love that. Oh my gosh, Like we're total opposites in
Speaker 1: the color spectrum. I like all the baby comings, and
Speaker 1: you can have like the dark greens in the forest.
Speaker 1: And I know I love jeweled tones. I too. I
Speaker 1: have so many crystals. I have a crystal I brought
Speaker 1: back from I was in South Africa and I brought
Speaker 1: back this crystal and then it busted into thirty different pieces.
Speaker 1: But so if you send me that book, I'll send
Speaker 1: you a piece of this crystal. I got trade, Yes,
Speaker 1: which trade? And then our energy will be forever. We'll
Speaker 1: have like a little together and then we can start
Speaker 1: our right next to our cold and okay, we have
Speaker 1: a whole long list. Now we have a which ghost
Speaker 1: series and now we have to have a cold stone.
Speaker 1: They can all be like in the same area. We
Speaker 1: can figure out where exactly, but in California somewhere. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you do you find yourself to be psychic? Do
Speaker 1: you believe in like the supernatural and feeling psychic? I
Speaker 1: guess and that we're like super natural and just kind
Speaker 1: of like I just think it's natural. So I think
Speaker 1: that everyone is like very intuitive when we're like connect
Speaker 1: to our power. And it's kind of to go back
Speaker 1: into what you were saying where you're like, oh, like
Speaker 1: you know, I have to start un learning you know,
Speaker 1: doubting myself and really stepping into like my power and
Speaker 1: like my intuition. I think that so many women identifying people,
Speaker 1: we do have this tendency and I think it's been
Speaker 1: programmed within us from a very young age that you know,
Speaker 1: our intuition is like paranoia or you're being too paranoid
Speaker 1: or that's crazy, and you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: so the dreamy and like the magical sides to ourselves
Speaker 1: are suppressed and we're it's it's not something that's very developed.
Speaker 1: And I think that as a society and just culturally, um,
Speaker 1: you know, people value like science over intuition. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that there needs to be um one or
Speaker 1: the other. I think that both can coexist together, and
Speaker 1: I think that more people. Yes, I do feel that
Speaker 1: I'm psychic, and I'm definitely a psychically sensitive that goes
Speaker 1: into a large part of my work and I'm I
Speaker 1: always honor that and I would love to tell more
Speaker 1: people to embrace that part of themselves and to trust
Speaker 1: themselves more. And that's really it Isn't it funny how
Speaker 1: it's such a how we all have it. But the
Speaker 1: second you start talking about it, I feel like from
Speaker 1: multiple sorry but they are multiple men in my past
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, that's so crazy. Oh that's so
Speaker 1: wo wo oh, that's like you're such a You're like
Speaker 1: doing the thing, and I'm like, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: a natural feeling I have. That's I connect with with
Speaker 1: the earth as an animal. I feel that there's something
Speaker 1: bad is going to happen. And this happened multiple times
Speaker 1: to me and the next day, unfortunately, I've had multiple
Speaker 1: people passed away after having this very specific feeling in
Speaker 1: my gut, and before they passed away, I'm crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: just being the weirdo whatever fill in the blank. I'm
Speaker 1: being insane. And then the next day I'm like, I
Speaker 1: told you something weird was going to happen. I felt
Speaker 1: it in my gut, I felt it deep inside of me,
Speaker 1: and then it happens. You know. That's and I think
Speaker 1: that you know so many times, how many times have
Speaker 1: every you know women and like I said, women identifying
Speaker 1: people been dismissed as being crazy and that's insane or
Speaker 1: that's stupid and that doesn't make rational sense and that's
Speaker 1: not real. And I'm like, okay, but like trust your gut,
Speaker 1: like trust your intuition um. And when people say like
Speaker 1: gut feelings, a lot of people don't know this, but
Speaker 1: when they say trust your gut, they're talking about your
Speaker 1: solar plexus. And so your solar plexus is right where
Speaker 1: your navel is. It's how we receive and you know,
Speaker 1: project energy. So I think it's like that feeler. It's
Speaker 1: just it is feeling other people's energetic um, like their aura,
Speaker 1: their energy like in your space. So if you're getting
Speaker 1: that gut feeling, it's in the pit of your stomach
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I don't know, this doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1: Trust that that's your that is your psychic power, that
Speaker 1: is your intuition, that is like you really getting this
Speaker 1: like warning and the signal. Then listen to that feeling.
Speaker 1: Trust it, trust it. Oh my god, I really there's
Speaker 1: so many circumstances. I mean, it's my first Tarot card
Speaker 1: pack that like since I've kind of started understanding the
Speaker 1: nificance of taro and I was wondering if there's a
Speaker 1: specific thing you do with your deck or you just
Speaker 1: like kind of meditate on it. So one thing that
Speaker 1: I love, especially if i'm if I get a new
Speaker 1: Tarot deck that I love, I'm okay, So let me
Speaker 1: just like, let's just start here. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people ask about like tarot and like what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do with their decks and like how they're supposed
Speaker 1: to work with it when they first get it. I
Speaker 1: am going to be that one who breaks away from
Speaker 1: tradition and I'm gonna say, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: gifted a Tarot deck, and a lot of it, there's
Speaker 1: this misconception that like you're supposed to be gifted a
Speaker 1: Tarot deck. I think that if you find a deck
Speaker 1: because it is such a deeply personal tool, you like
Speaker 1: the artwork for it, you know, you love the symbolism
Speaker 1: by it for yourself. Why are you why are you
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to give you the deck, like like
Speaker 1: go buy it for yourself. But what I like to
Speaker 1: do is I take my deck out. UM. I will
Speaker 1: use like I don't know, it just depends, like I
Speaker 1: try to use like a cleansing herb um, just to
Speaker 1: cleanse the energy of it. I will sleep with it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll wrap them up in silk cloth. I keep
Speaker 1: mine in cloth, or I have like little boxes, um,
Speaker 1: like either wooden boxes or certain boxes that um, you know,
Speaker 1: you can just like buy that are small enough to
Speaker 1: keep your cards in. But my favorite deck that I
Speaker 1: like working with right now, it's like wrapped up in
Speaker 1: cloth and I put it in silk cloth. UM. I
Speaker 1: put like a quartz crystal on it. You put it
Speaker 1: under your pillow. If there's certain cards that are really
Speaker 1: jumping out to you in the deck, you can put
Speaker 1: that on your altar, on your vanity table, on your dresser, UM,
Speaker 1: and just like meditate on it and just look at
Speaker 1: the image dree of it. If you don't really understand
Speaker 1: what it is and why you like it. I would
Speaker 1: sit with that first before reading you know, the instruction
Speaker 1: manual for it, because I'm I'm totally with you, like
Speaker 1: I'm like always of the mindset like I can do
Speaker 1: it myself. I got this, I'm gonna go get my
Speaker 1: deck whatever. And I was going to go out and
Speaker 1: buy myself a deck. And then for my birthday a
Speaker 1: week ago, a really really close friend of mine got
Speaker 1: me a deck that just like I'm obsessed with and
Speaker 1: I keep pulling the same card, like I kept like
Speaker 1: trying to not pull the same card and shuffling, and
Speaker 1: the same card kept jumping out at me. I love
Speaker 1: when that happens. And I was like, oh, ship, I
Speaker 1: think it's really just this card. I think it's really
Speaker 1: this card. But I was wondering if you have a
Speaker 1: card that speaks to you the most. I'm okay, So
Speaker 1: I really love So it just depends on what deck.
Speaker 1: But there's I have three of them, so one of
Speaker 1: them is the death card. I love the death card
Speaker 1: generally in all most decks from like old New. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they told you this, but like I
Speaker 1: have over two hundreds. Oh my god, no, you didn't
Speaker 1: tell me that. So there's so many different I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's so many different kinds of decks. I'm sure. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I have some old decks from like, you know,
Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century. I have some cool ones from
Speaker 1: the sixties, from the seventies, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: really cool like old, rare, out of print decks. UM.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of decks sent to me just
Speaker 1: from new artists, UM that have made their decks, and
Speaker 1: I just have like a crazy collection of them. UM.
Speaker 1: But my favorite cards the death card. I love the
Speaker 1: Empress and I love m What do else? What else
Speaker 1: I like seeing? I like seeing the Nine of Pentacles,
Speaker 1: She's a good one, or like just that card in general.
Speaker 1: I really love what is the What is the significance
Speaker 1: of the Nine of Pentacles and the death card? So
Speaker 1: the death card is a signifier of like rebirth and transformation.
Speaker 1: It's like the phoenix rising from the ashes. Um in
Speaker 1: the terror that card is really just you know, a
Speaker 1: major transformation. So when some people see it, they get
Speaker 1: like really spooked out in readings, UM, I do terror readings,
Speaker 1: So like when that card comes up, UM, a lot
Speaker 1: of people get freaked out. But it's not anything to
Speaker 1: be scary, it's just change. It's major change on a
Speaker 1: very deep level, soul level. UM. And so the Nine
Speaker 1: of Pentacles for me, when I see that card come up,
Speaker 1: it's really just about like um that financial independent and
Speaker 1: like making money and like, you know like that it's
Speaker 1: a very like tourist Earth the you know, like very
Speaker 1: like uh, material oriented type of cards. So it makes
Speaker 1: me feel abundant. It makes me feel like I'm on
Speaker 1: the right path. Um. And then with the Empress, I
Speaker 1: love her because she's like the mother, like the nurtures.
Speaker 1: It's like a very venusian um energy, like the care provider,
Speaker 1: like carrying and nurturing and like that divine feminine power
Speaker 1: and energy. So like I really love that card too. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forget. I love the hyph Priestess. I personally I've
Speaker 1: only gotten I've only gotten my cards read like a
Speaker 1: handful of times. So we have to do that at
Speaker 1: some point on one of your like sixties decks. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm actually like talking about this and like
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