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Speaker 1: So in this show, I do have a solo segment

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Speaker 3: Sun Sentinel at somebody asking a lot of questions.

433
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Speaker 1: I think they went ahead of you guys, and the

434
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Speaker 1: question asking hierarchy that surprised me watching from afar. WHOA

435
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: where did that come from?

436
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: It was not it was not supposed to be like that,

437
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: and nobody was happy about it.

438
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 4: So but.

439
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was again it was. It was good to

440
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: feel back in those press conferences mood. Everyone's in the

441
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 3: scrubs and we're all waiting and everybody to get their

442
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: questions in and rolling our eyes as some people ask

443
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: questions that we know are meant as a joke and

444
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: but aren't according to some. And it's just interesting to

445
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: hear the kinds of questions that are asked by people

446
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: that aren't really there every day, as opposed the questions

447
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: that are asked by people that are there every day.

448
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: A lot more of an in depth knowledge for people

449
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: that are there every day, and then like more of

450
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: an overseeing more asking about like his time at the Rays,

451
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: people that aren't there every day, asking more for trying

452
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 3: to get a specific quote, not really asking about what

453
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: his plan is, not that he'd give us much, not

454
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: that he can give us much, because you got to

455
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: keep as much of your cards close to your chest

456
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 3: as you can. He was very very He spoke very

457
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 3: highly of the current assistant GM's Brian Chatten, Ozo Campo,

458
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 3: and then the third name I always forget, Dan Ran Greenley. Sorry,

459
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: he said that he went out to California to go

460
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Speaker 3: and see Skip and met with Skip in person. He

461
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: speaks very highly of Skip. He did not get sick

462
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: at the GM meetings. He was not one of the

463
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 3: gms that got sick of the GM meetings. But just

464
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: a lot of high praise from him for everybody in

465
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Speaker 3: the Marlins organization.

466
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: And you touched on it. One thing that I was

467
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: a little unclear about moving forward is whether those assistant

468
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: gms who were certainly hired, some of them hired under

469
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Jeter and then Oz was hired under Kim Ang, whether

470
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: they would actually be around moving forward. But Isaac I

471
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: think all indications are that will be the case that

472
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: they were involved in the actual search process for their boss,

473
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: which seems a little unconventional, but Bruce Sherman, it wasn't.

474
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Speaker 1: I was kind of refreshing to hear that he didn't

475
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Speaker 1: do this on his own, that he was he leaned

476
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Speaker 1: on the actual baseball people he already has in this organization.

477
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: Who else in the organization of anyone was involved in

478
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: deciding that Peter was the right candidate for the job.

479
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: We had a thorough We had several people in the

480
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: organization who interviewed Peter. Beside myself, there was a very

481
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: easy consensus. We interviewed many, many people. I won't go

482
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: into all the details. I was proud that we kept

483
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: it out of the out of the media. Proud of that.

484
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: And also our three wonderful agms here got the bet,

485
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 4: as did Caroline, got the benefit to meet Peter, and

486
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: I remiss in not saying thank you to Dan, saying

487
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 4: thank you to Brian better known as Chat and oz

488
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: Okay sitting in that order. Well, they worked the last month.

489
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 4: A lot of decisions had to be made the last month,

490
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: and I certainly didn't want to be the one making them.

491
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: I leaned on Lee Street, gentlemen, to make those wonderful.

492
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Speaker 1: Decisions aside from the dismissals that have already been reported

493
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: in recent weeks, that there will be this interesting dynamic.

494
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: We're retaining a lot of the people that were already

495
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Speaker 1: in place with this team.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's I guess that's how it started.

497
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: We had to ask Bruce, you know, hey, who helped

498
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: you conduct these interviews? Who helped you with the decision

499
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 2: making process? And I thought something that was important to

500
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Speaker 2: touch on was, hey, it was very easy consensus. I think, no,

501
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, obviously he's going to say that, but it

502
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Speaker 2: was Caroline. I be surprised if mister Marlin had a

503
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: helping hand in it. And yeah, the fact that he

504
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: mentioned the three assistant gms also helped out with the

505
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: decision making and the hiring process sort of tells me

506
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: that Bruce and Peter probably will keep them. Maybe one

507
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: of them gets promoted to the general manager's position, but

508
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: I think that we're not going to know about that

509
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: for a little while. So yeah, I think if we

510
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: read between the lines here, it looks like those three

511
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: guys will remain with the organization. Is my understanding of it.

512
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: Right in his for people that I think most people

513
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: are familiar. He already gave an interview to the Marlins

514
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Hot Stove Show last week, so this was about trying

515
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: to get anything extra that wasn't already given in that

516
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: initial interview. It was in that initial interview that he

517
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: really poured water on the idea of hiring a GM immediately, and.

518
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: I doubled down on it today and I asked him again.

519
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: He was still very noncommittal. It's still first week on

520
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: the job, and I'm wondering how long we're going to

521
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: hear him say first week on the job. He's gonna

522
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: say first month of the job, first, first, first couple

523
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: of months on the job. At what point is it

524
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: his job? I'm not sure. The Winter meetings are coming up.

525
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: The General Managers meetings got cut short, but a lot's

526
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: got to happen this week. There's the deadlines coming up

527
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: and it'll be interesting to see. But I would be

528
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: extremely shocked if they make it to the winter meetings

529
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: without having hired a GM.

530
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Something he touched on a little bit that he's going

531
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Speaker 2: to really depend on Brian Chatton for them. I think

532
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: he pointed him out directly that he's been here for

533
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: a very long time and if of all of the

534
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: asistant gms, he's gonna have to really rely on his

535
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: knowledge of the organization of the players at the system

536
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: in the few first few couple of weeks, I would assume,

537
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: because yeah, he's got to get to know this club. Obviously,

538
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: they have a lot of the Rays in the Marlins

539
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: have a lot of history together playing in the same state,

540
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: a lot of trade history as well, and so he

541
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: probably knows the organization a little bit. There's a few

542
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Marlins that used to be raised on the current active roster,

543
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: so you know, he's probably got a general idea. But yeah,

544
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna be relying heavily on especially Ryan Chatton, for

545
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: more knowledge on this team because they're gonna have to

546
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: make a decision by tomorrow on who to protect. He

547
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: was probably that he knew the forty man rosters at

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: thirty five. He said, I know that I can't tell

549
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: you everyone, but I know that it's at thirty five.

550
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's aware that the deadline is tomorrow to

551
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: protect some guys and he obviously plans to. He won't

552
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: tell us who though, yet.

553
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: He said he was he's very well versed on who

554
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: the arbitration guys are and their numbers and everything, which

555
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: I was getting kind of mixed messages because a lot

556
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: of the time Bruce was hammering home the point that Wow,

557
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: this guy who's coming in, he knows so much about

558
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: the organization, even before coming into the organization. Well, at

559
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: the same t time, Peter Bendix is at the mic saying,

560
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: this is just my first week on the job. I

561
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: don't really know much. I'm still trying to learn the organization.

562
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: So what's true, what's not, we don't really know. And

563
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: also he was asked about the possible extension for Arias,

564
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: and again again his response was this the first week

565
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: of the job. So it was that there was one

566
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: more thing I wanted to touch on, and I forgot what

567
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: it was. To circle back to.

568
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Me, just from being in his presence, are there any

569
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Speaker 1: observations about whether his personality, his mannerisms that stick out

570
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: to you. I could tell that he speaks louder than

571
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Kim does. I imagine he's a little taller than just

572
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Any impressions about him, considering most of

573
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: us have never been in his presence before.

574
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very out.

575
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I didn't know you were going first on

576
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: that my bead, go ahead. No, he's a very outspoken dude.

577
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: He speak does speak much louder. You can actually hear

578
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: what he's say against a press conference, which is a

579
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air for us who cover the Marlins,

580
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: and he gave us some stuff off the record. He

581
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: was a little bit more relaxed when he was talking

582
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: about that, but he definitely he's very confident in the

583
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: way he talks about things and is very while being noncommittal,

584
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: he's also very committal too, like laying down the foundation

585
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: for what he wants to do. He's not gonna say

586
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: what he wants to do, but it sounds like he's

587
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: he's very confident in what he wants to do.

588
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a very humble guy as well,

589
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: very very kind. Like Noah said, outspoken. He's like, it's

590
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: so nice to hear someone speak very clearly and you

591
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: don't have to put the phone right next to his

592
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: mouth to listen a little bit. So that's something I'm

593
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: gonna look forward to. Yeah, something that he mentioned in

594
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: the post conference media scrum was that, you know, he

595
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: he could not say nicer things about his time with

596
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, and if he was going to leave that organization,

597
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: it had to be the absolute perfect fit. And I

598
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: get some of it is, you know, it's pr trained,

599
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: he has to say something like that, but he seemed

600
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: very genuine and just thought, Hey, this is one of

601
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: the best opportunities he's going to get president of Baseball operations,

602
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: And like you said, it had to be the perfect fit.

603
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Had to be the perfect scenario for him to leave

604
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: the organization like Tampa Bay, an organization like Tampa Bay,

605
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: and he did it.

606
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: Now I'm remembering what it was that I wanted to touch on.

607
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: Bruce mentioned a lot about either rais or a very

608
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: analytically driven organization, but what Bruce was most impressed by

609
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: was Peter's ability to get to connect with the personnel

610
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: and the players and everybody there more in not just

611
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: the stats driven stuff, but more of the culture side.

612
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: He was really hammering home the culture, the culture. So

613
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: I didn't know there was much of a of a

614
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: culture driven side to the Rays besides for analytics, but

615
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: that was interesting to hear that that was one of

616
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: the main points.

617
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, I don't think Kim's name came up at

618
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: all during the main pressure, but she was referenced a

619
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit in the scrum sessions afterwards with Bruce. Isaac

620
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: did did Bruce? Did he say anything about her departure?

621
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Speaker 1: I imagine now for people that are unaware, like the

622
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Marlins didn't have any availability with Bruce until now since

623
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: the end of the season, which I think that was

624
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I can understand why they did it. I think in

625
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: other markets they might not have been able to get

626
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: away with that this far away, and the more that

627
00:33:53,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: we learned about Bendix, the emotions around that controversial break

628
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: have kind of died down a little bit. But if

629
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: there's anything that he mentioned about Kim leaving under this

630
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: very unusual circumstances.

631
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: No, Bruce said exactly what you'd expect from Kim. Only

632
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: one person asked about her ironically, and she basically said, yeah, No,

633
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: we did our part. We extended her the mutual option,

634
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: and she was not It was not mutual on her part.

635
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: She did not want to return, but we wish her

636
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: nothing but the best. But Bruce said she he would

637
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: have really liked her to come back, And I guess

638
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: my follow up question would have been, you know, with

639
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: you know under Peter Bendix or her as maybe the POBO,

640
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: so obviously not the latter, so I would have liked

641
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: to him to elaborate more on that, but no, he

642
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: said all the right things that he wishes or nothing

643
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: but the best, and he was disappointed that she chose

644
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: not to return.

645
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: And as of this moment, it's basically unofficially official that

646
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: she probably won't be in a front office during the

647
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season. The Mets still have a vacancy

648
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: in their GM position, but they have already said David

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Speaker 1: Searn's over there that he's not going to hire a

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Speaker 1: GM this off season. The Red Sox, of course, they

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Speaker 1: filled their vacancy right before the Marlins did. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: think they're still looking for a GM, but Kim reportedly

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Speaker 1: declined to even interview with them for that vacancy. Under

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Speaker 1: their new POBO, Craig Breslo's as Oh, that's right, the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox now use a different terminology that is roughly

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Speaker 1: equivalent to a POBO. It does seem that at least

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Speaker 1: for this upcoming year, or at least for the start

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Speaker 1: of this upcoming year, that she won't be involved in

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Speaker 1: at least a team's front office. Whether or not she

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Speaker 1: goes back to the league front office, that's a possibility,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we shall see one way or another

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Speaker 1: with that, as you mentioned, and right before this, there's

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Speaker 1: a separate segment of me giving my takes about the

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Speaker 1: Rule five protections, that is transactions coming up on two

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Speaker 1: as they were, where the Marlins will have to add

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Speaker 1: some guys to their forty roster to protect them from

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Speaker 1: being selected some recent history. Last year they just added

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Speaker 1: a few relievers before that deadline. And I remember the

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Speaker 1: year before in twenty twenty one, the Grif Griffin Conine drama.

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Speaker 1: Everybody assumed Griffin Conine was gonna be protected, and the

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Speaker 1: Marlins didn't do that, And that was a very unusual

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Speaker 1: year where they didn't add anybody to their forty man

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Speaker 1: roster heading into the Rule five. Usually there is somebody,

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Speaker 1: and wasn't.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't. Wait twenty one, there was no Rule five draft.

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Speaker 1: That's right, as it turned out, the Rule five it

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Speaker 1: happened during the lockout, and.

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Speaker 3: There was no happy component, right component.

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Speaker 1: Now now that I'm remembering it. Because the deadline was

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the lockout, teams they kind

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Speaker 1: of treated it as if there would still be a

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Speaker 1: Rule five, but a couple of weeks in the year the

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Speaker 1: lockout began. Then the lockout obviously lasted for three ish months,

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Speaker 1: and they never actually did the Rule five to begin with. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so thank you for patching together that entire chronology or

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Speaker 1: unique circumstances way. Griffin Conin, is Rule five eligible again

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Speaker 1: for people that are concerned.

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Speaker 3: I should have asked Jeff Conin, and he were sitting

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Speaker 3: right in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good to see kidding, good to see

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Speaker 1: Jeff Conan there, and yeah, he gets touched on everything else.

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Speaker 1: I think that is going to do this for this

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Speaker 1: quick rundown of the Peter Bendix intro right here. You know,

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Speaker 1: we still have three ish weeks until the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 1: But as we said, we have that deadline for the

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Speaker 1: World five protections on Tuesday and then on Friday. Friday

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Speaker 1: is the deadline to tender contracts to the arbitration eligible guys,

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Speaker 1: and that generally leads to a flurry of trade activities.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not the Marlins are involved with that, we'll

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Speaker 1: wait to see. As people have pointed out when coming

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Speaker 1: from the Rays, the Rays are team that does very

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Speaker 1: unconventional things when it comes to that deadline. They've made

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Speaker 1: some you could say, unpopular moves around that that deadline

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Speaker 1: in the past, trading players when they reach a certain

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Speaker 1: salary level, even when they seem to be produced at

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Speaker 1: a level that it's more than worth that salary. And

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Speaker 1: he's been involved with those deals. It doesn't mean anything

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Speaker 1: in particular for the Marlins guys from Luisa Rise to

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Speaker 1: Lozardo to Tanner Scott. Those are just a few examples

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Speaker 1: of the guys. Jazz Chishom Junior for the first time

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Speaker 1: eultiple for arbitration. So that's coming up on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: I think I would just advise people to expect the

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Speaker 1: unexpected when it comes to that.

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Speaker 3: And also coming up this week, there's the the announcement

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Speaker 3: of the Manager of the Year winner. We're hoping it's Skip,

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Speaker 3: We're assuming it's Skip, but that'll be interesting to talk

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Speaker 3: about it. There's probably gonna be a press conference following that,

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Speaker 3: so we'll be interested to find it. To hear from

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Speaker 3: Skip for a first time in a while. Be nice

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Speaker 3: to hear his voice again.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, much that's coming on. It's just on Tuesday, Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: right at the same time actually as the Rule five

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Speaker 1: protection guys is the announcement on MLB Network SKIP Council

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Speaker 1: Brian Schnicker, I like Skip's chances of winning.

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Speaker 3: That Tory Levillo got snubbed.

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Speaker 2: And players will be made available this week. I'm getting

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Speaker 2: worried that the annual turkey distribution will be held this

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Speaker 2: week on the West Plausa and in Lone Depot Park

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Speaker 2: and Braxton Garrett, Luisa Rise and Nick Fortes are expected

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Speaker 2: to be in attendance. So if you guys want to

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Speaker 2: go get a turkey, all Marlins fans go to the

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Speaker 2: West plaus at Lone.

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Speaker 3: People Park and beloved former Marlin Pablo Lopez is hosting

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Speaker 3: a puppies and pickleball event at Miami Shoors Tennis Club

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Speaker 3: to as an adoption event there. So if you want

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Speaker 3: to go see Pablo Lopez and give him a hug

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Speaker 3: for all of us and see some puppies there that

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Speaker 3: that's happening on Thursday at four o'clock and hopefully I'll

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Speaker 3: be back in town by then, but it's not likely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's going to do it for the official

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Speaker 1: show right here, Eli Susman, No Burger, Isaaca zuit coming

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Speaker 1: at you. As as I said earlier in this show,

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Speaker 1: I am doing this now every single week for the

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Speaker 1: foreseeable future, dropping on Tuesdays all year round until something

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Speaker 1: gets in the way of it. But the plan is

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, doing new pods with my staffers,

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Speaker 1: with my special guests, with myself sometimes breaking down all

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Speaker 1: things Marlin's another very fascinating off season ahead of us,

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Speaker 1: So thanks everybody for the support. Become a super subscriber

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Speaker 1: fish on first dot com and go fish. The reincarnation

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Speaker 1: of the official show comes with a new recurring segment,

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Speaker 1: the Walkoff sign Off. At the end of every Official

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Speaker 1: Show episode, I'll replay the audio from a walkoff game

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Speaker 1: winning moment in Marlin's history, because why not people love

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Speaker 1: walkoff moments. For this one, we go back to twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: starring one of my favorite Marlins players of all time,

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Speaker 1: Harold Ramirez. Enjoy this walk off sign off. I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you guys next week, Ramire and so.

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Speaker 2: I feel enough gone another walk on home run for

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Speaker 2: Harold raveres

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Speaker 3: And show a twin