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Speaker 1: And Don and Tie.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Stalid Verbal Boys and Girls Money
Speaker 2: as always, Tie Hildebrand, his name as always, Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 2: Please to have you back on the podcast, mister Rubinstein.
Speaker 2: How are you fine, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing better voice wise. I know I probably sound
Speaker 1: a little bit different than I usually do, but I'm
Speaker 1: better than I was when we recorded our little emergency
Speaker 1: hit when Paul christ was relieved of his duties Sunday evening.
Speaker 1: We're recording this Tuesday midday. I just had to glance
Speaker 1: over and check at the time and the day because
Speaker 1: that's who I am as a human. But I'm good. Ty.
Speaker 1: I always love these Q and A episodes, and not
Speaker 1: many of them get released to the public because it's
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Speaker 1: always happy, uh to interact and bounce things off of
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Speaker 2: As Dan mentioned, today's show is a Q and A show.
Speaker 2: We don't get to typically do a whole lot of
Speaker 2: these during the season because there's just games to discuss.
Speaker 2: We generally will save the Q and A stuff for
Speaker 2: our brew, which you can find. As Dan mentioned earlier
Speaker 2: over at Forballers dot com, we do it live every
Speaker 2: Thursday morning for those of you who want to hop
Speaker 2: on over not just get the discord, but also participate
Speaker 2: live do a lot of Q and A stuff during
Speaker 2: the year. This is one of the few weeks where
Speaker 2: we're going to do it just for the general public.
Speaker 2: We do them often in the off season. Now, after
Speaker 2: the benefit of one month of the college football season,
Speaker 2: the calendar has turned to October, we know a little
Speaker 2: bit more about these teams, right, starting to get our
Speaker 2: starting to get our feet wet with respect to the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two college football season. Why don't we dive
Speaker 2: right in and answer some of your verballer questions. Congratulations, Skippy,
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Speaker 2: As often as we can, Dan, we pay homage to
Speaker 2: the verbawler hood. And let's start on today's show with Heather. Okay,
Speaker 2: not including your alma mater and or team that you
Speaker 2: like to root for. If you could coach one college
Speaker 2: football team in any division, which team would you choose?
Speaker 2: And why? If you'd like to elaborate, Thank you, Heather,
Speaker 2: and we will elaborate. Appreciate the question.
Speaker 1: So is this just in general or this year's squad
Speaker 1: or recent squads? Ty, how do you interpret this?
Speaker 2: I think this is a free response from Heather. I
Speaker 2: think you can interpret it however you want. Let me
Speaker 2: give you my answer to start Okay, My answer for
Speaker 2: a good long time has generally been Vanderbilt. I believe
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt be the perfect job because here's really yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: Here's why. First off, the pressure is low, not like
Speaker 2: super low you're in the SEC, but generally lower than
Speaker 2: your counterparts in the conference. You are inarguably the best,
Speaker 2: slashed close to the richest conference in college football, so
Speaker 2: resource is not necessarily an issue. You're in a cool
Speaker 2: place to live, Nashville, Tennessee, and anytime you do something good,
Speaker 2: it will be magnified and you will be made to
Speaker 2: be a hero in the college football world because all
Speaker 2: we ever hear is how hard it is to win
Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt. Right. James Franklin's built a career on those
Speaker 2: few seasons that he was at Vanderbilt, did a good job,
Speaker 2: and he's done continue to do a good job at
Speaker 2: Penn State generally speaking. But you do well at Vanderbilt,
Speaker 2: you become something of a folk hero in college football world.
Speaker 2: So for me, Vandy's an answer. I think along the
Speaker 2: same lines. Illinois has been one of my answers for
Speaker 2: a good long time.
Speaker 1: You want to live in a champagne.
Speaker 2: I've never been to Champagne. I don't think you want
Speaker 2: to live in Champagne. Maybe I don't want to live
Speaker 2: in Champagne, but I don't think. Yeah. But my point
Speaker 2: is just it's a pressure thing. It's a pressure thing. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe that will change in light of what's going on
Speaker 2: this year at Illinois with Brett Bieloma and he's obviously
Speaker 2: got the Allie and I playing to a pretty exciting
Speaker 2: level of football. Right. For a good long time, the
Speaker 2: pressure at Illinois just wasn't there. You could have a good,
Speaker 2: long career without having to worry about turning gray at
Speaker 2: a young age, and any time you would go above
Speaker 2: and beyond that was the kind of thing that that
Speaker 2: again would kind of christen you a folk hero in
Speaker 2: the world of college football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just coach Arizona State because for a
Speaker 1: lot of the similar reasons. You can be good and
Speaker 1: not great and have a job for a long time.
Speaker 1: You can attract good assistance, you can recruit Southern California,
Speaker 1: Arizona has gotten better. You can get you can go
Speaker 1: into Texas, you can live in a warm place, you
Speaker 1: can eat pretty well. I know that's not important to
Speaker 1: all of us, but like just in terms of a lifestyle.
Speaker 1: You can do worse than the Metro Phoenix area. You
Speaker 1: can win games, but the expectation is not that especially
Speaker 1: now with USC and UCLA losing. Like if the PAC
Speaker 1: ten twelve, whatever it's going to become, isn't looked at
Speaker 1: as a major pressure cooker of a conference. If you're
Speaker 1: merely good, often you're kind of set there. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think AIRSU is an interesting answer. I think TCU
Speaker 1: is an interesting answer for a similar reason, right that
Speaker 1: the expectations aren't huge, But it's also not a situation
Speaker 1: like Vandy where you're gonna just get your teeth kicked
Speaker 1: in all the time and you just have to absorb
Speaker 1: it and you have to convince kids that, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: we're gonna play Georgia, sometimes we're gonna play Bama. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a better Tennessee or a better LSU,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna lose fifty one to seven. You cool
Speaker 1: with that. So that's it's the bummer of ASU should
Speaker 1: always be competitive, a competitive enough to hang with really
Speaker 1: strong teams in their conference. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if you win eight or nine a year, it's blank check.
Speaker 1: It's absolute, Well, maybe not a blank check in the
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, but a sizeable check will come your way
Speaker 1: pretty often. Now, will TCU hire a coach with the
Speaker 1: last name Rubinstein at Texas Christian University?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe not, maybe not.
Speaker 1: But I see that as another opportunity where you can
Speaker 1: hire good coaches. You know, there's a lot of good
Speaker 1: FCS schools, smaller group of five schools, whatever, where you
Speaker 1: can sort of have your pick of up and coming assistance. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you can recruit well and get blue chips from the
Speaker 1: DFW area and beyond. You have a dedicated fan base
Speaker 1: that will just be happy that you don't If you
Speaker 1: don't do something disastrously and you go to a bowl
Speaker 1: all the time, there's nobody's going to be disappointed unless
Speaker 1: you're getting blown out by you know, by Baylor, by SMU.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be pretty happy if you're winning nine games
Speaker 1: a year and going to the Alamobile.
Speaker 2: Let me pivot off of this and ask kind of
Speaker 2: a follow up question. Yeah, we are all answering teams
Speaker 2: that are not on that top rung. Yeah, even in
Speaker 2: that top twenty rung. Yeah, if you had to pick
Speaker 2: one of the blue blood programs, the Notre Dames, the Michigans,
Speaker 2: the Ohio States, the Texas, the Oklahoma, the US right,
Speaker 2: really the prominent teams Yeah, that at least recently or
Speaker 2: somewhat recently have had their hat in the ring for
Speaker 2: the championship. If you're picking on that level, which where
Speaker 2: you're going with.
Speaker 1: God in terms of like how easy or not easy
Speaker 1: my life is at one of those places, Like it
Speaker 1: seems like it would be really, really, really difficult to
Speaker 1: screw up Ohio State. Yeah, at this point, like you're
Speaker 1: actually thinking about the jobs where there is the least
Speaker 1: resistance within your conference, that things are behind you in
Speaker 1: terms of infrastructure to give you every opportunity in the
Speaker 1: world to build a top five roster, and that it
Speaker 1: would be hard to win nine games or eight games
Speaker 1: right with the things available to at Ohio State. I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to live in Columbus, Ohio. I've been,
Speaker 1: and I think it's totally fine. I've enjoyed it at
Speaker 1: different times of the year. But if again, if I'm
Speaker 1: having my brothers, I'm incorporating geography into this and just
Speaker 1: not my move personally, but of those jobs, if we're
Speaker 1: strictly looking at that in terms of like you're living
Speaker 1: in the facility. Anyway, what is the hardest to screw up? Now,
Speaker 1: there's a ton of pure as the head coach at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, but with the day to Danis Danis of Georgia, Alabama,
Speaker 1: LSU Texas. Now Texas would be a good time, But like,
Speaker 1: I just don't see it as being set up booster
Speaker 1: wise and infrastructure wise to succeed in the way that
Speaker 1: Ohio State is. So in terms of the most difficult
Speaker 1: job to screw up at this point, it's probably Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Let's go over to beat you of a Okay, how
Speaker 2: much patients should fans of a program that has maybe
Speaker 2: started to plateau have with their coach i e. Wisconsin
Speaker 2: giving the heave ho to Paul christ after two merely
Speaker 2: average seasons or Iowa State fans getting impatient with Matt
Speaker 2: Campbell not moving them to the next level. Does it
Speaker 2: matter if your expectations are sky high slash borderline unreasonable?
Speaker 2: I think John Cooper at Ohio State, Frank Solich at Nebraska,
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, or having a more mediocre
Speaker 2: to bad history. So there's a couple questions in there.
Speaker 2: This is obviously predicated someone on what happened to Paul Chris. Now,
Speaker 2: we haven't had a whole lot of an opportunity to
Speaker 2: talk about the Paul Christ situation on the podcast, given
Speaker 2: the fact that it happened, as it always does, on
Speaker 2: a Sunday after we hit the stop button. So perhaps
Speaker 2: we can discuss that a little bit now and use
Speaker 2: Paul Christ as a go buy for the rest of
Speaker 2: college football. Paul Christ recently, as in last week, lost
Speaker 2: by twenty four at home to Illinois. Illinois is not
Speaker 2: what it was in years past. Brett Bielma has them
Speaker 2: playing well. They're a four and one team at time
Speaker 2: of recording, But the manner in which Wisconsin loss was
Speaker 2: particularly troubling, and the way that the offense has looked
Speaker 2: so far, despite bringing over a new offensive coordinator, it's
Speaker 2: not been very appealing. It's just not given anyone the
Speaker 2: impression that things are going in a good direction. So,
Speaker 2: by surprise, Wisconsin decides they were moving on from Paul Christ,
Speaker 2: supposedly after a lengthy chat with mister Christ. They've also
Speaker 2: negotiated down his buyout to somewhere in the eleven million
Speaker 2: dollar range. I believe that's down from about nineteen or
Speaker 2: eighteen somewhere in there, right. So Paul Christ, a native
Speaker 2: son of Wisconsin, doing his part, I guess on some
Speaker 2: level to help the university not take the full buyout
Speaker 2: and allow them to put it towards a new coach.
Speaker 2: So who knows who the new guy is going to be.
Speaker 2: We can maybe talk about that if we want. But
Speaker 2: we did put out a call in our videos and
Speaker 2: in the short snippet that we recorded after the fact,
Speaker 2: that we wanted folks to write in, Wisconsin fans to
Speaker 2: write in and let us know what their thoughts were
Speaker 2: on the hiring. You will not be surprised to learn
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent of the messages we received were
Speaker 2: in favor of this move. Everybody wanted to get rid
Speaker 2: of Paul Chris, and not even like in a mean way.
Speaker 2: The people who emailed.
Speaker 1: In were very, very friendly, and all the people connected
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin, right the Wisconsin fans that Wisconsin to the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody was very diplomatic about it.
Speaker 2: I think everybody has the utmost respect for Paul Christ.
Speaker 2: But the general sentiment that I got is it was
Speaker 2: time you could see it on the field. We're happy
Speaker 2: to see them move on. There also is an assumption
Speaker 2: that Jim Leonard, the now interim coach slash defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: is going to be the next guy out for the job.
Speaker 2: That will all work itself out in due time. But
Speaker 2: before we even get into this question from beat you
Speaker 2: of a now that we've had a couple days to
Speaker 2: process the news Dan, the Paul Criss thing, how surprising
Speaker 2: was it to you? And was it the right move
Speaker 2: to make it this time?
Speaker 1: An incredible surprise? Not because it wasn't worth a conversation
Speaker 1: and not worth not because it wasn't unjustified, but just
Speaker 1: because with a lot of these guys who have succeeded,
Speaker 1: which there are not many on the level of Paul
Speaker 1: christ in terms of the Bulls, in terms of the
Speaker 1: wins whatever. I mean, He's won ten games and went
Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl in twenty nineteen, right, yep, yep
Speaker 1: that and Wisconsin to date has done a lot of
Speaker 1: excellent things, sometimes an offense, sometimes a defense, sometimes developing
Speaker 1: higher level NFL players, like do they have the best
Speaker 1: running back in the NFL? I don't know follow the
Speaker 1: NFL closely enough, but I know Jonathan Taylor is in
Speaker 1: that conversation, right, so develop legit superstars at the next
Speaker 1: level at the moment. So I just figured that it
Speaker 1: would if this situation would have been a either overhaul
Speaker 1: your coaching staff or done in December. Now, because of
Speaker 1: the current mechanics of the sport being that there is
Speaker 1: a signing day in December, teams are doing everything they
Speaker 1: can to make a decision that they know they're going
Speaker 1: to make as early as possible because of keeping together
Speaker 1: a recruiting class or giving that next guy all the
Speaker 1: time in the world to quickly assemble a recruiting class
Speaker 1: to sign in December and February right to sort of
Speaker 1: lock in those relationships. So, just with regard to Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: it I don't know, it falls under the thing we
Speaker 1: talked about last year. I think where there's going to
Speaker 1: be sort of an older guard falling off in the
Speaker 1: coaching community that doesn't necessarily want to be as proactive
Speaker 1: in the portal, as proactive with NIL stuff, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't fully want to I'm trying to think of the
Speaker 1: right word here, that doesn't fully want to admit the
Speaker 1: current realities of the sport that this isn't how it
Speaker 1: was ten years ago, five years ago, twenty years ago
Speaker 1: when I was an assistant, when I was a young
Speaker 1: head coach or whatever, and football is football and everybody
Speaker 1: else is doing it and passing you by. Now. Wisconsin
Speaker 1: has not been able to develop a quarterback during the
Speaker 1: christ era in the way that a lot of schools
Speaker 1: that Wisconsin beats are able to. And ultimately, I think
Speaker 1: that was the term backslide that Wisconsin fans have used
Speaker 1: a lot when you look at the recruiting trail with Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: when you look at quarterback development, when you look at
Speaker 1: the ability to hire or maintain assistance or change things
Speaker 1: on offense, Wisconsin has been in this program that And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had this in your school. What was
Speaker 1: your high school GPA tie if you don't mind me asking,
Speaker 1: I know it's very personal, some whatever region it.
Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, I mean it was I think with AP credits,
Speaker 2: probably above A four. I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, damn, okay, so you can't relate to this.
Speaker 1: So mine was I don't know, three six threes.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was somewhere that was like in that B plus
Speaker 1: A minus range. I was a totally okay student. I
Speaker 1: was a pretty good test taker, a good essay writer
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I didn't do my homework, I didn't
Speaker 1: study for the little tests, and I didn't do as
Speaker 1: well on them. Wisconsin always did its busy work right.
Speaker 1: Wisconsin would always beat this year's iteration of Illinois. They
Speaker 1: didn't sort of wait for the big games to show up.
Speaker 1: They showed up every single week and beat the brains
Speaker 1: out of everybody who was lesser or around the same level.
Speaker 1: Because they were so well coached. Guys always stuck around
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, developed played as upperclassmen, and the system was
Speaker 1: just infuriatingly efficient efficient. That fell off right, So in
Speaker 1: terms of patients, when you look at underlying issues that
Speaker 1: Wisconsin has always done X well, Wisconsin has always done
Speaker 1: why well. And it's a development place, right. They're never
Speaker 1: going to put together top fifteen classes and string those together,
Speaker 1: but they're going to find those three stars, develop them
Speaker 1: for a couple of years before they see serious time
Speaker 1: on the field, and then they thrive and then they
Speaker 1: are part of a top five national defense or one
Speaker 1: of the best offensive lines in the country. Whatever. They
Speaker 1: stick to what they do and they do it well.
Speaker 1: When that goes, it seems it's hard to get it back,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know if it's the specific Illinois
Speaker 1: loss and the symbolic nature of it being Brett Beelima
Speaker 1: being the guy on the other side of the field
Speaker 1: and essentially out Wisconsin and Wisconsin with that run defense
Speaker 1: and Chase Brown, it can't feel good, right. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was the symbolic nature of that specific loss, but I
Speaker 1: think it's sort of a toothpaste in the two type situation.
Speaker 1: You can't point to, well, he's got a top eight
Speaker 1: recruiting class, like maybe Louisville can with Scott's afield with
Speaker 1: his ridiculous class. At least at the moment coming in.
Speaker 1: You can't point to competitive losses with Nebraska bringing back
Speaker 1: Scott Frost because of how Nebraska played against Ohio State
Speaker 1: and Michigan and all these teams Oklahoma. So the manner,
Speaker 1: which is the word you use, that we've been using
Speaker 1: a lot, I think is an overwhelming part of this
Speaker 1: that there's nothing that Wisconsin and the administrators of Wisconsin
Speaker 1: can point to. Yes, but at least this looks like
Speaker 1: it's going to be a bright spot for years to come.
Speaker 1: Now that's the issue to me is practice patients. When
Speaker 1: it's early and there are signs of growth, and right
Speaker 1: now it just seems that Wisconsin's trying to do what
Speaker 1: it always did well and it's they're doing it poorly,
Speaker 1: and that's hard to reverse course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so much of college football right now
Speaker 2: is trading on potential success. Sure, trading on potential dollars
Speaker 2: that could follow down the line if somebody, you know,
Speaker 2: if you catch lightning in a bottle and you can
Speaker 2: put the right coach in the right spot at the
Speaker 2: right time, build a program up in time for this
Speaker 2: incredible windfall of cash that is upon us now in
Speaker 2: college football, programs could really stand a benefit from that.
Speaker 2: And I think the manner in which a program has
Speaker 2: conducted itself here Obviously through the early part of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, that's been a story, as we've seen coaches
Speaker 2: be relieved of duties for the last four weeks running.
Speaker 2: But if it just doesn't feel like there is momentum
Speaker 2: in a positive direction at a place like Wisconsin, you know,
Speaker 2: for as as much as it sucks to see by
Speaker 2: all accounts, a good guy like Paul Chris Loser's job,
Speaker 2: it also makes a lot of sense Wisconsin is looking
Speaker 2: seeing the writing on the wall here with respect of
Speaker 2: the Big ten, and there is this feeling, I think
Speaker 2: that you have to make a change now, otherwise you're
Speaker 2: going to be left behind. What's interesting to me on
Speaker 2: the coaching candidate front is and I know there's this
Speaker 2: assumption that Jim Leonard is probably going to be the
Speaker 2: guy at Wisconsin. We will find out, right, we will
Speaker 2: find out. They have essentially given him like seven games
Speaker 2: now six seven games to figure out what can he
Speaker 2: do with the talent on hand, how can he make
Speaker 2: that better different vice versa. And he's essentially got an
Speaker 2: audition here, so I think if this goes well, he's
Speaker 2: probably the guy. I would also be stunned if they
Speaker 2: didn't make a call to lance Leipold because Lance Lypold
Speaker 2: was at Wisconsin Whitewater where he did great things before
Speaker 2: obviously moving over to Buffalo and then going down to
Speaker 2: Kansas and now his Kansas at an undefeated mark of
Speaker 2: five and oh number nineteenth in the country. So Jim Leonard,
Speaker 2: I think, is in a really interesting spot here. And
Speaker 2: I saw Bruce Felman, our friend Bruce Fellman from Fox
Speaker 2: Sports and the Athletics said that if you're a Nebraska fan,
Speaker 2: you want Jim Lenard to win all those games, because
Speaker 2: that reduces the likelihood that they're going to go out
Speaker 2: and try to get Lance light Pold. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Lance Leipold is leaving Kansas, but if he wants to,
Speaker 2: he will have options, not the least of which is
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and obviously Nebraska.
Speaker 1: So it would be the easiest thing for Wisconsin for
Speaker 1: Jim Leonard to be really strong. That's all, that's all
Speaker 1: they're hoping for in the athletic department right now. Please
Speaker 1: Jim Leonard be clearly strong and a difference maker and
Speaker 1: you know, have a different vision for this offense and
Speaker 1: get this defense playing better upfront, especially with what Illinois
Speaker 1: was able to do. So because that's that's the seamless
Speaker 1: Wisconsin way that has worked for them, right They hired
Speaker 1: Gary Anderson was an outside hire and that obviously, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just a different guy. Whatever. That was just probably
Speaker 1: never going to work out in the long term. But
Speaker 1: Brett Bielma being internal obviously, Paul christ with his longtime
Speaker 1: experience in Wisconsin that Jim Leonard he's only been at Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: He's still a young guy. Just his coaching career wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the recruiting class presumably would be in a really
Speaker 1: good place. And even if it's not that strong, which
Speaker 1: it isn't at the moment, it's in the fifties, I
Speaker 1: believe you'll resonate on the trail Jim Leonard in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: in Ohio and Michigan whatever, not to do a Howard
Speaker 1: Dean impression, but you could see that in this world
Speaker 1: where you know, look at the schools that have hired
Speaker 1: really young coaches. When you look at you know, Oregon
Speaker 1: and noted name, you know the guy, even guys in
Speaker 1: their forties, Florida, Brian Kelly, well into his eighties. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean that it is that is going to be.
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be that divide where the
Speaker 1: older guard is going to fall off, and Jim Leonard
Speaker 1: absolutely represents upside of a younger guard. Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: By the way, before we go any further on this one,
Speaker 2: here you got a sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who are they playing this week?
Speaker 2: They're at Northwestern, They're favored by ten. I think Wisconsin
Speaker 2: will destroy Northwestern's right they're here. Yeah, I think Wisconsin
Speaker 2: will absolutely annihilate Northwestern this week. So there's there's one
Speaker 2: of my locks. I don't even we probably won't even
Speaker 2: talk about that game on the previews show, but I've
Speaker 2: already bet that game minus ten. All Right. The question here,
Speaker 2: just getting back to this is basically how much patience
Speaker 2: should a school show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's the line of thinking being good
Speaker 1: being the enemy of the great. Is that what the
Speaker 1: cliche is good is the enemy of great? And the
Speaker 1: worry for a lot of places is that you end
Speaker 1: up firing Frank solic right, and then the rotating cast
Speaker 1: of coaches who like, oh, Frank Solich only won nine
Speaker 1: or ten games a year in Nebraska, we expect better,
Speaker 1: Like that's pretty good. Now. They they had they had
Speaker 1: moments with Bo Polini, of course, but they've been in
Speaker 1: a funk and that that's like a big, bright, shining example.
Speaker 1: What I go back to is how many schools truly
Speaker 1: regret making that move when it seemed like the necessarily
Speaker 1: the necessary thing to do. How many coaches have proven
Speaker 1: on a big public stage that they were let go
Speaker 1: because of on field results or lack thereof, and when
Speaker 1: they went to their next job that, oh, it turns
Speaker 1: out that school made a mistake and their standard was
Speaker 1: too high and they should have appreciated what they what
Speaker 1: they had. Yeah, you roar back to like it's not
Speaker 1: it's not super often it happens, and you can go
Speaker 1: back to Minnesota and you know some of the struggles
Speaker 1: they had. You know, there was I don't remember it
Speaker 1: was Stu Mandel or somebody like the Glen Mason line
Speaker 1: where it's like, you should be happy with six or
Speaker 1: seven wins, and you know, you hire a couple of
Speaker 1: coaches who don't get you there, and then it looks
Speaker 1: like a particularly terrible time to be Minnesota or something
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with schools holding themselves to a standard and saying we
Speaker 1: should win eight games. You know, we should win seven games,
Speaker 1: we should be a bowl team, or Iowa State, we're
Speaker 1: committed to football. I don't think Iowa State is saying
Speaker 1: can we do better than Matt Campbell?
Speaker 2: No, right, I think Matt Campbell is welcome as long
Speaker 2: as he's willing to stay correct.
Speaker 1: And so there is not a world to me in
Speaker 1: which Iowa State can realistically say Matt Campbell has an
Speaker 1: eight or nine win ceiling, and we think we can
Speaker 1: get to the next level with a better guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist in names. I think people and ames just
Speaker 1: big picture are thrilled with the Matt Campbell era, right
Speaker 1: because you've seen the down days, You've seen long stretches
Speaker 1: of down days, and so there are very few places
Speaker 1: unless you're not making a bowl game in your Arizona
Speaker 1: state and your Nebraska, your Florida or one of those
Speaker 1: schools like yeah, we should be winning eight games and progressing.
Speaker 1: There are schools that have a history of it that
Speaker 1: there's proof that they can win eight, nine, ten games
Speaker 1: a season. And if they're not getting there, and it's
Speaker 1: clearly a fixable reason why they're not getting there, then yes,
Speaker 1: I think. I think patients can be thrown out the window.
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, it's it's again, it's look at
Speaker 1: the underlying facts.
Speaker 2: Of the program, right Ty, Absolutely, Let's go to Blessed
Speaker 2: Elua from our Patreon. Yes, what's wrong with the Houston Cougars?
Speaker 2: What is wrong with the Houston Cougars. So I've got
Speaker 2: the stat profile in front of me. Okay, Houston right
Speaker 2: now is two and three. They beat you at ETSA
Speaker 2: the Thriller in week one. They also beat Rice. Rice
Speaker 2: not as bad of a team as we maybe thought
Speaker 2: at the start of the year, right, Uh, three losses
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech Kansas and two lane at Quick blush ooh,
Speaker 2: kind of everything really kind of everything with Houston. We
Speaker 2: were pretty high on the Kougs coming into this year.
Speaker 2: We're really high on the Cougars. We like Clayton Tune.
Speaker 2: It felt like, to some extent, Dana Holgerson, you know,
Speaker 2: snake bitten, for one reason or another, that this was
Speaker 2: going to be the season that they put it all together.
Speaker 2: I will say this is not an easy schedule. It's
Speaker 2: not an easy schedule by any stretch.
Speaker 1: All of these offenses, short of Rice, who's actually run
Speaker 1: the ball pretty well this year, are pretty feisty fighting.
Speaker 1: This is not an embarrassing record from Houston with regard
Speaker 1: to their opponents. With regard to expectations, yes, it is
Speaker 1: a little embarrassing.
Speaker 2: With regard to expectations, it has a bit embarrassing. What
Speaker 2: I will say is that the efficiency numbers don't really
Speaker 2: like Houston all that much, especially on defense. The defense,
Speaker 2: by all accounts looks like it is pretty much collapsed,
Speaker 2: pretty much collapsed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were really strong last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you see that bottom out in the
Speaker 2: mander that it has. They're not playing the run all
Speaker 2: that well. That is just not a great formula offensively,
Speaker 2: where obviously Dana Holgerson has made a lot of hay
Speaker 2: over his time. They're also stunningly inefficient. And so you
Speaker 2: combine those two things against teams that can play offense,
Speaker 2: against teams that you know are at a minimum average,
Speaker 2: and there's your issue right now. We can dig much
Speaker 2: deeper if we really wanted, But what we're getting from
Speaker 2: this profile is that Houston is just not getting any
Speaker 2: bang for the buck, that whatever they're doing out there
Speaker 2: is not maximizing their situations, not maximizing their players' potential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're also just losing really close games. Situationally,
Speaker 1: they are not at executing and now they're in those
Speaker 1: situations because of a defense that's sort of fallen off
Speaker 1: the cliff, an offensive line that hasn't really protected Clayton
Speaker 1: Tune all that well. There's a lot of little things
Speaker 1: they did last year that they're not doing this year.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they're they come up with that
Speaker 1: big pick against Texas Tech. I think it was an overtime,
Speaker 1: it was late, right, and it's just turning that into
Speaker 1: points and that's the game, and they didn't. Right, So again,
Speaker 1: Tulane's pretty good. We know Kansas is pretty good. We
Speaker 1: know Texas Tech is at least frisky. They beat Texas
Speaker 1: and so it's coming them up big in moments that
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have found themselves in last year. But no,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it's an execution thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's an injury thing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a depth thing. They haven't a clear number
Speaker 1: one receiver who's been made plays in Tank Dell. But no,
Speaker 1: when when saddled with these expectations, especially as they head
Speaker 1: into the Big twelve, for whatever reason, game to game,
Speaker 1: they just have not been there.
Speaker 2: Have not been there. No, And you mentioned the line.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of penalties on the line too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I believe they are last nationally in offensive
Speaker 2: line penalties per game. Yeah, they're like five and a
Speaker 2: half penalties per game. That's double the national average. So
Speaker 2: that points to miscommunication on some level, that points to coaching. Right,
Speaker 2: I talked about that with respect to Notre Dame. They've
Speaker 2: they've been there too. As they kind of transition into
Speaker 2: this new regime, so we'll have to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on whether or not things go in the right direction
Speaker 2: for Houston. I do think it gets easier as the
Speaker 2: schedule gets into you know, mid October, all throughout November.
Speaker 2: There should be easier wins along the way, and hopefully
Speaker 2: this thing will balance out. But it's been a tough go.
Speaker 2: It's been a tough go, to say the least. Let's
Speaker 2: go over to Kyle kind of on the same lines here.
Speaker 2: This is I feel like this is a Dan Rubinstein special.
Speaker 1: This question.
Speaker 2: Okay, going into next football season, you are granted the
Speaker 2: ability to see the same stat for both teams, not
Speaker 2: including final score, for every game of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which stat do you think would be most beneficial in
Speaker 2: predicting the outcome of those games? So this is like
Speaker 2: a blind study. We can't see the final score. All
Speaker 2: we can see is team A had this, Team B
Speaker 2: had that based on that stat alone as a predictor
Speaker 2: for who won or lost the game? Which stat are
Speaker 2: you going with? Can I use a Bill Connolly stat?
Speaker 2: You can use whatever you want, all right, then I'll.
Speaker 1: Just go with the stat that he says is most
Speaker 1: indicative of who wins games and that's explosive play rate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just how often that you are able to generate
Speaker 1: and prevent. Explosive plays is the single most telling more
Speaker 1: than turnovers, more than anything, the single most telling stat
Speaker 1: about who wins games most often. So it's generating and preventing.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's a net number there,
Speaker 1: but or a net percentage, whatever it is. That's what
Speaker 1: I would look at if you were to show me
Speaker 1: Oregon schedule and show me how often they were able
Speaker 1: to generate and prevent, or you were to show me
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, or you were to show me Florida and
Speaker 1: whatever across football. To me, that's what I would take,
Speaker 1: and that's what I would think would continue to be
Speaker 1: the most predictive as both units evolve. In the short coort.
Speaker 2: You kind of took my answer because I too have
Speaker 2: had the benefit of many Bill C conversations, So exposive
Speaker 2: play rate is a big one. That's probably the right.
Speaker 1: Dan Klobacar in the comments, point differential.
Speaker 2: Yeah, point differential is another one that indicates when they
Speaker 2: need YEA the most logical amongst the overballers. Yeah, here's
Speaker 2: another one that I can throw out that I look
Speaker 2: at I like third downs, I like third down conversions.
Speaker 2: I think that tells you a lot about a team.
Speaker 2: There is some luck involved with that, right, it's not
Speaker 2: always a perfect metric, but if you see a team
Speaker 2: went ten for sixteen on third downs, that's generally a
Speaker 2: case that the offense is doing what it's supposed to
Speaker 2: do and maybe the defense can't get off the field
Speaker 2: vice versa. If you see two out of sixteen, then
Speaker 2: you know that the offense really struggled against the defense.
Speaker 2: And I would think more often than not, that team's
Speaker 2: not winning a whole lot of games. So a bunch
Speaker 2: of these little data points that you could use. None
Speaker 2: of them are perfect, But since you won explosive play rate,
Speaker 2: let me go third down conversions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, the the old Bill Walsh stat I
Speaker 1: forget what the official name for it is like in
Speaker 1: open play, as how it's described from Bill Connolly's stats,
Speaker 1: is the percentage of first downs that come on first
Speaker 1: and second down has a change, right, Yeah, staying ahead
Speaker 1: of the chains, especially because you know explosive play rate
Speaker 1: ties into that how often you're able to generate first
Speaker 1: downs quickly? It probably helps to be able to generate
Speaker 1: those explosive plays. But that's a big one too, because
Speaker 1: you talk about third downs, if you don't face a
Speaker 1: lot of third downs. That's also amazing.
Speaker 2: From Steven Dan. If you could build a full team
Speaker 2: with an offense from one team in a defense from another, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how would you build that team?
Speaker 1: So of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Two's I think I think so? I think so, pull
Speaker 2: up a.
Speaker 1: List of teams.
Speaker 2: Ohio State's the offense, right, Ohio State's got to be
Speaker 2: the offense.
Speaker 1: Uh, probably at this point with how much more consistent,
Speaker 1: Like there's no shame in only scoring what they score
Speaker 1: against no more name twenty one. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any shame in that performance, especially without Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba and you know, the full weaponry of receiving
Speaker 1: and Mayan Williams in week.
Speaker 2: One now is in week one, right, I mean, so
Speaker 2: much of what we saw in week one kind of
Speaker 2: goes out the window. I do think Ohio State is
Speaker 2: starting to rev up that offense and starting to get
Speaker 2: to the heights that we expected, and they're doing so
Speaker 2: even without Jackson Smith and Jigba. Right, But we'll be
Speaker 2: back at some point this season and Trey Henderson, you know,
Speaker 2: didn't play last week. So this this is an incredibly
Speaker 2: loaded offense, which is part of why I still believe
Speaker 2: they're going to win the national championship. But on the
Speaker 2: defensive side, we have options, right, Georgia, Georgia. Is George's
Speaker 2: defense as good as we expected against Oregon?
Speaker 1: Yes, against Kent State, against missoo maybe not. I can
Speaker 1: tell you. I can tell you what the points per drive,
Speaker 1: the analytics metrics that I prefer. The number one defense
Speaker 1: in America just in terms of points per drive allowed
Speaker 1: is Minnesota? Number two? Is Georgia Alabama's five, James Madison
Speaker 1: number four?
Speaker 2: Tie? Oh, do we want to go Maddie's here? Could
Speaker 2: be pennis.
Speaker 1: Ole miss nine, where Mischig looking at the double digits,
Speaker 1: Illinois is number three?
Speaker 2: Tie?
Speaker 1: Wow. Where's Michigan's defense? Michigan is number two?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But again, where the quarterbacks Michigan has played? Right, it's
Speaker 1: Spencer Petris, It's Hawaii's starting quarterback whose name is gives
Speaker 1: me at the moment. Colorado State, you got like, that's
Speaker 1: probably a top twelve defense in the country, But I
Speaker 1: don't know on that level. Yeah, if Clemson's healthy, that's
Speaker 1: a conversation. Yeah, even Ohio State is an interesting question
Speaker 1: because they've been without some corners, Like, just fully go
Speaker 1: with Ohio State, You're national champion, just got next Baz Baz.
Speaker 1: Which college's brand is most misaligned with their conference affiliation? Dan,
Speaker 1: you're a culture guy, big on culture. I remember when
Speaker 1: Colorado joined the PAC twelve and there was just conversations.
Speaker 2: Galore about how I think it's a fit. Yeah, about
Speaker 2: how the culture of Boulder would fit or not fit
Speaker 2: with the PAC twelve. And I think it's fine. Obviously
Speaker 2: they would prefer a much better college football season this year.
Speaker 2: We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell.
Speaker 1: Have they started their season Colorado? Is that a thing
Speaker 1: we've been able to nail down?
Speaker 2: We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell also lost his
Speaker 2: job amid the Paul christ News.
Speaker 1: But by the way, you were right there with Colorado,
Speaker 1: oh and twelve. You were right there during our Pack
Speaker 1: twelve previ you were like, I don't it brings me
Speaker 1: no pleasure in telling you this. Colorado may go winless
Speaker 1: and now it's looking are really bad. I think they're bad.
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at their predicted outcomes, the
Speaker 1: advanced stats. I think have Colorado is on twelve right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: The percentage chance so zero wins is forty eight percent,
Speaker 1: one win is thirty nine, to two is eleven. There's
Speaker 1: a two percent chance that they win three games. It's
Speaker 1: all double digit prediction losses the rest of their way.
Speaker 2: Ooh brutal. Which school is most misaligned with their conference affiliation?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question in response to this question?
Speaker 1: Do you think Penn State is a natural cultural fit
Speaker 1: to the Big Ten as.
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: They were in a pennant before, But I just they
Speaker 1: have the history that's that seems so important, Like there's
Speaker 1: so much lore involved with so many Big Ten teams historically,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really good fit. But I'm
Speaker 1: just speaking from my experience and just seeing the amount
Speaker 1: of New Jersey and Philly at a Penn State tailgate
Speaker 1: and then sort of matching that to what I experienced.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of the big Big ten
Speaker 1: schools attract people from New York, from California or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, Indiana and Wisconsin and Michigan, what have you.
Speaker 1: But it did seem different. It did seem different, And
Speaker 1: I actually think this about Rutgers in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: I think this about Maryland and the Big Ten, and
Speaker 1: I think this is about Nebraska in the Big Ten
Speaker 1: that from the core of the conference, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue Minnesota. It is different going to
Speaker 1: a Nebraska game. It is different going to Rutgers. I've
Speaker 1: been to Piscataway, have not been to a Rutgers game.
Speaker 1: It is different going to College Park. Like Maryland is
Speaker 1: as acc to me as any ACC team. But we're
Speaker 1: having this conversation about the Big Ten. So I think
Speaker 1: the newer additions to the Big Ten don't fully strike
Speaker 1: me as obvious, you know, carryover from the other schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for sure, the culture of Penn State
Speaker 2: is unique in that it is an interesting hybrid between
Speaker 2: New York Philly and Pittsburgh. And you may not have
Speaker 2: that elsewhere around the conference. But Penn State's been in
Speaker 2: the Big Ten for so long that I think the
Speaker 2: culture there has grown around the Big Ten. And though
Speaker 2: it may be a bit unique as compared to some
Speaker 2: of the other schools in terms of culture and fit
Speaker 2: and student body what have you, I don't think like
Speaker 2: it feels that misaligned to me. The Maryland thing, I
Speaker 2: still screw up, kind of like I do with the
Speaker 2: Brewers being in the AL right, Like I'm just never
Speaker 2: gonna get used.
Speaker 1: To the San Diego Chargers, right, yes, no, no?
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm thinking of the Houston Astros. I can't
Speaker 2: even get a shange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Brewers made a move, I think as well,
Speaker 1: whoever is.
Speaker 2: In the AL now, Like, I'm never going to get
Speaker 2: that straight, And I still get confused sometimes when we
Speaker 2: go through we do our previous and recaps about which
Speaker 2: conference Maryland is in, because it doesn't it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: It's probably more of a me thing.
Speaker 1: But doesn't it seem like they're it? Like okay, in
Speaker 1: a dream world in which we have eight team conferences.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Penn State deserves this or should
Speaker 1: be in this, but just in terms of like, oh,
Speaker 1: this all sort of makes sense. This is all sort
Speaker 1: of a warm sensicle blanket. When we look at the
Speaker 1: organization of the sport, the tapestry of smaller conferences. If
Speaker 1: there were a conference like a Upper ACC Big East
Speaker 1: melding of like like Penn State should be playing like
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech every year to me. I don't know why
Speaker 1: that is like a Syracuse, Penn State, Boston College Pitt
Speaker 1: like there. There is something to me that like brings
Speaker 1: all of like the like a tortilla would wrap that
Speaker 1: into a competitive burrito in a more interesting way culturally
Speaker 1: to me. Does that strike you as anything that makes sense?
Speaker 1: Or am I just nutty? I think you might be
Speaker 1: a little bit nutty, But it's okay, that's okay. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about like Florida State. Okay, the
Speaker 1: ACC as opposed to the SEC, yeah, or Big East
Speaker 1: that does hasn't existed in quite something.
Speaker 2: Big East is long dead rip. Yeah, but Florida State
Speaker 2: and the SEC, uh huh feels like much better of
Speaker 2: a fit. I am.
Speaker 1: There is the weird thing where the Florida schools are
Speaker 1: in different conferences. Uh, yes and no, yes and no.
Speaker 1: Florida State doesn't have the long football history, right. Florida
Speaker 1: State football kind of started as a power with Bobby Bowden,
Speaker 1: So we're not going back a crazy way and a
Speaker 1: lot of the SEC powers can go back. It would
Speaker 1: make sense. But I don't know. With the number of
Speaker 1: teams in the Southeast or East Coast or Southeastern whatever, however,
Speaker 1: we want to qualify like they are a fit with
Speaker 1: Miami and North you know, all the Carolina in North
Speaker 1: Carolina schools. It seems when you start getting into the
Speaker 1: Northeast with Syracuse and pitt and Boston College, that's.
Speaker 2: A little bit weird.
Speaker 1: But at least with the Eastern Seaboard teams like the
Speaker 1: Virginia schools, like there's a history there, it kind of
Speaker 1: seems like there's a fit. So I'm not as crazy
Speaker 1: about moving Florida state elsewhere because of fit, but like
Speaker 1: fair enough, I'm willing to listen fair enough.
Speaker 2: So here's our final question for the Public Show. We're
Speaker 2: going to do the second half of this as part
Speaker 2: of our normal Q and A slash bruin a yes
Speaker 2: that you and I would typically do and post out
Speaker 2: on Patreon Forballers dot com every week. So if you
Speaker 2: want to hear the second half that, we've got some
Speaker 2: fun questions about Oklahoma Halloween. I mean, just like a
Speaker 2: whole the NCAA video game. Excuse me, We've got a
Speaker 2: lot of fun stuff that comes after this. But final
Speaker 2: question here on the Public Show from Andrew, if you
Speaker 2: had to pick two people who you'd have on a
Speaker 2: Manning cast like set for a big who would they be?
Speaker 2: So is the assumption that it's me and you and
Speaker 2: then two other people?
Speaker 1: No, I just I think we're TV executives.
Speaker 2: We're TV executive.
Speaker 1: We're choosing this for ESPN, and it could be anybody
Speaker 1: to not announce the game but just sort of react
Speaker 1: and have conversation during the game, vaguely about the game
Speaker 1: or specifically about the game in different moments.
Speaker 2: Okay, so other than to Greg McElroy's, which is of
Speaker 2: course the answer, of course, what are we looking for here?
Speaker 2: I think what we're looking for to make it watchable
Speaker 2: is some balance of seriousness with silliness or personality. Right.
Speaker 2: You obviously have to have people who could speak knowledgeably
Speaker 2: about the game of football, who can see what's going
Speaker 2: on and in real time break it down in a
Speaker 2: way that makes it interesting and relatable. Do you have
Speaker 2: any thoughts that come to mind as you are a
Speaker 2: TV executive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say during the regular season, nobody. During
Speaker 1: the regular season, nobody, because I think to to say
Speaker 1: to look at what the Mannings are doing and say
Speaker 1: that it's replicable because they have the chemistry of being
Speaker 1: brothers and being literal brothers and teasing each other and
Speaker 1: going through their own experiences, as is Eli Manning going
Speaker 1: to make the Hall of Fame. Quite possibly should like
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks with that deep knowledge of the game,
Speaker 1: especially with recent knowledge of the game that they're only
Speaker 1: recently retired. I think that's pretty much impossible. All the
Speaker 1: good ones were already on TV networks, it seems, or
Speaker 1: on the radio or doing something within the sport. What
Speaker 1: is most attractive to me would be in a national
Speaker 1: championship game or a playoff game or major major bowl game,
Speaker 1: is to get two or three coaches doing the Coaches
Speaker 1: round whatever the roundtable show that they do, but specific
Speaker 1: ones who have played those teams, who've had success against
Speaker 1: those teams, that are like more tenured within that league.
Speaker 1: That though, So if it's a I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: making this up obviously. If it's a Georgia, Ohio State
Speaker 1: national championship this year, okay, and we get to have
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and Nick Sabe and Eli Drinkquitz or you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like or James Franklin when they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, when we're preparing to play this team. One
Speaker 1: of the interesting things, was like we never saw them
Speaker 1: using the tight end like they started doing later on
Speaker 1: in the season. Right that there is interesting enough connective
Speaker 1: tissue with game planning for these teams, with being familiar
Speaker 1: with the coaches, with being longer term college football coaches,
Speaker 1: so they've kind of been there and seen it all.
Speaker 1: But you have different levels of experience, which is why
Speaker 1: I have like the Eli Drinquitz, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: where there's just one guy's been there forever, one guy's
Speaker 1: been there for a while, another guy's been there for
Speaker 1: only a couple of years. I think that's fascinating right
Speaker 1: where you start getting, you know, Dan Mullen would watch
Speaker 1: the National Championship and like, oh, they're going outside down
Speaker 1: here again. Where you get like guys being so familiar
Speaker 1: with the types of offenses that teams are running, and
Speaker 1: then in the commercial breaks talking about like, oh man,
Speaker 1: it'd be weird to see if they stop running this
Speaker 1: sort of quarters. Look that it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: just about x's and o's, or during the commercial break
Speaker 1: they're talking about recruiting Jalen Carter, recruiting Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba and like great kid, weird dad you know, obviously
Speaker 1: thrilled to see him having success at Ohio State. Wish
Speaker 1: he had come to wherever. That's that to me is
Speaker 1: the would be cool about having that alternate feed, having
Speaker 1: that that sort of closeness to the teams involved in
Speaker 1: a big game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I like whatever you can put coaches
Speaker 2: in that position. We got a little tipsy, little tips.
Speaker 2: I gotta get him a little tipsy, Yeah, get get
Speaker 2: the uh you know, get the inhibitions a little bit lower.
Speaker 2: But I've generally really liked the mega casts when they've
Speaker 2: done them. Yeah, and you know, you tend to see
Speaker 2: some more coaching personality in that setting. Gary Patterson's always
Speaker 2: been a hoot. Yeah, always, if not a little intimidating.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the time who was on set with
Speaker 2: Major apple White. Major apple White was like taking notes.
Speaker 2: I mean some of these coaches, you know, you put
Speaker 2: them in a situation where they can really break things
Speaker 2: down and and do so kind of off the cuff,
Speaker 2: and it's really impressive to watch. So I think I'm
Speaker 2: with you, just interesting combinations of coaches from varying levels
Speaker 2: of experience, and yeah, you know, programs around the country
Speaker 2: I think would be really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: need that Lougan Bill there to sort of organize it all.
Speaker 1: But obviously the Mannings don't need that host. I think
Speaker 1: they tried out hosts ESPN did to like work with
Speaker 1: the Mannings, and they were just like, we're good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk. We're fine. I think that's the move.
Speaker 1: It's impossible because that's just you know, it's it's hurting
Speaker 1: cats to get those types of big names, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's bad blood about something with a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, which is why you see a lot of
Speaker 1: random pairings. You're like, oh, I guess, why would Derek
Speaker 1: Mason and Mike Leech hate each other or something like that.
Speaker 1: So of course they're gonna be the same like that,
Speaker 1: you'll have that. But with some of the bigger guys,
Speaker 1: it'd be great, it really would. They're weirdos in their
Speaker 1: own ways, and so maybe they're not going to be
Speaker 1: as fun loving as the Mannings, but I think there
Speaker 1: is still potential there.
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