WEBVTT - The October Q&A

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid Verbal. He'll that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man, I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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<v Speaker 1>Edo Steak is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoo?

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<v Speaker 1>And Don and Tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Stalid Verbal Boys and Girls Money

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<v Speaker 2>as always, Tie Hildebrand, his name as always, Dan Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Please to have you back on the podcast, mister Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you fine, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing better voice wise. I know I probably sound

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit different than I usually do, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>better than I was when we recorded our little emergency

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<v Speaker 1>hit when Paul christ was relieved of his duties Sunday evening.

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<v Speaker 1>We're recording this Tuesday midday. I just had to glance

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<v Speaker 1>over and check at the time and the day because

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<v Speaker 1>that's who I am as a human. But I'm good. Ty.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love these Q and A episodes, and not

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<v Speaker 1>many of them get released to the public because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a special bonus feature for our subscribers on verbalers dot

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<v Speaker 1>Com on our Patreon, which is just incredible. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always happy, uh to interact and bounce things off of

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<v Speaker 1>them and bounce things off of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I am as well. This episode, all of our episodes

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<v Speaker 1>Do not forget.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're in the New York area. On Friday, October

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<v Speaker 2>the seventh, we are doing College Football, the game show.

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<v Speaker 2>We have begun preparations. The show is going to be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I am looking forward very much to this show. A

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<v Speaker 2>As Dan mentioned, today's show is a Q and A show.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't get to typically do a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these during the season because there's just games to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>We generally will save the Q and A stuff for

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<v Speaker 2>our brew, which you can find. As Dan mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 2>over at Forballers dot com, we do it live every

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday morning for those of you who want to hop

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<v Speaker 2>on over not just get the discord, but also participate

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<v Speaker 2>live do a lot of Q and A stuff during

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<v Speaker 2>the year. This is one of the few weeks where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do it just for the general public.

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<v Speaker 2>We do them often in the off season. Now, after

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of one month of the college football season,

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<v Speaker 2>the calendar has turned to October, we know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about these teams, right, starting to get our

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get our feet wet with respect to the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two college football season. Why don't we dive

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<v Speaker 2>right in and answer some of your verballer questions. Congratulations, Skippy,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got mail. You've got mail on the solid ruble.

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<v Speaker 2>As often as we can, Dan, we pay homage to

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<v Speaker 2>the verbawler hood. And let's start on today's show with Heather. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>not including your alma mater and or team that you

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<v Speaker 2>like to root for. If you could coach one college

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<v Speaker 2>football team in any division, which team would you choose?

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<v Speaker 2>And why? If you'd like to elaborate, Thank you, Heather,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will elaborate. Appreciate the question.

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<v Speaker 1>So is this just in general or this year's squad

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<v Speaker 1>or recent squads? Ty, how do you interpret this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a free response from Heather. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you can interpret it however you want. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>give you my answer to start Okay, My answer for

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<v Speaker 2>a good long time has generally been Vanderbilt. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>Vanderbilt be the perfect job because here's really yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's why. First off, the pressure is low, not like

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<v Speaker 2>super low you're in the SEC, but generally lower than

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<v Speaker 2>your counterparts in the conference. You are inarguably the best,

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<v Speaker 2>slashed close to the richest conference in college football, so

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<v Speaker 2>resource is not necessarily an issue. You're in a cool

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<v Speaker 2>place to live, Nashville, Tennessee, and anytime you do something good,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be magnified and you will be made to

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<v Speaker 2>be a hero in the college football world because all

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<v Speaker 2>we ever hear is how hard it is to win

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<v Speaker 2>at Vanderbilt. Right. James Franklin's built a career on those

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<v Speaker 2>few seasons that he was at Vanderbilt, did a good job,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's done continue to do a good job at

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State generally speaking. But you do well at Vanderbilt,

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<v Speaker 2>you become something of a folk hero in college football world.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, Vandy's an answer. I think along the

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<v Speaker 2>same lines. Illinois has been one of my answers for

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<v Speaker 2>a good long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to live in a champagne.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been to Champagne. I don't think you want

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<v Speaker 2>to live in Champagne. Maybe I don't want to live

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<v Speaker 2>in Champagne, but I don't think. Yeah. But my point

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<v Speaker 2>is just it's a pressure thing. It's a pressure thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that will change in light of what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>this year at Illinois with Brett Bieloma and he's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>got the Allie and I playing to a pretty exciting

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<v Speaker 2>level of football. Right. For a good long time, the

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<v Speaker 2>pressure at Illinois just wasn't there. You could have a good,

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<v Speaker 2>long career without having to worry about turning gray at

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<v Speaker 2>a young age, and any time you would go above

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond that was the kind of thing that that

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<v Speaker 2>again would kind of christen you a folk hero in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of college football.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would just coach Arizona State because for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the similar reasons. You can be good and

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<v Speaker 1>not great and have a job for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can attract good assistance, you can recruit Southern California,

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona has gotten better. You can get you can go

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<v Speaker 1>into Texas, you can live in a warm place, you

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<v Speaker 1>can eat pretty well. I know that's not important to

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, but like just in terms of a lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do worse than the Metro Phoenix area. You

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<v Speaker 1>can win games, but the expectation is not that especially

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<v Speaker 1>now with USC and UCLA losing. Like if the PAC

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<v Speaker 1>ten twelve, whatever it's going to become, isn't looked at

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<v Speaker 1>as a major pressure cooker of a conference. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>merely good, often you're kind of set there. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think AIRSU is an interesting answer. I think TCU

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<v Speaker 1>is an interesting answer for a similar reason, right that

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<v Speaker 1>the expectations aren't huge, But it's also not a situation

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<v Speaker 1>like Vandy where you're gonna just get your teeth kicked

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<v Speaker 1>in all the time and you just have to absorb

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<v Speaker 1>it and you have to convince kids that, yeah, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play Georgia, sometimes we're gonna play Bama. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play a better Tennessee or a better LSU,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna lose fifty one to seven. You cool

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<v Speaker 1>with that. So that's it's the bummer of ASU should

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<v Speaker 1>always be competitive, a competitive enough to hang with really

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<v Speaker 1>strong teams in their conference. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>if you win eight or nine a year, it's blank check.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolute, Well, maybe not a blank check in the

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<v Speaker 1>PAC twelve, but a sizeable check will come your way

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<v Speaker 1>pretty often. Now, will TCU hire a coach with the

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<v Speaker 1>last name Rubinstein at Texas Christian University?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe not, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>But I see that as another opportunity where you can

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<v Speaker 1>hire good coaches. You know, there's a lot of good

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<v Speaker 1>FCS schools, smaller group of five schools, whatever, where you

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<v Speaker 1>can sort of have your pick of up and coming assistance. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you can recruit well and get blue chips from the

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<v Speaker 1>DFW area and beyond. You have a dedicated fan base

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<v Speaker 1>that will just be happy that you don't If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't do something disastrously and you go to a bowl

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, there's nobody's going to be disappointed unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting blown out by you know, by Baylor, by SMU.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's gonna be pretty happy if you're winning nine games

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<v Speaker 1>a year and going to the Alamobile.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me pivot off of this and ask kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a follow up question. Yeah, we are all answering teams

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<v Speaker 2>that are not on that top rung. Yeah, even in

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<v Speaker 2>that top twenty rung. Yeah, if you had to pick

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<v Speaker 2>one of the blue blood programs, the Notre Dames, the Michigans,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ohio States, the Texas, the Oklahoma, the US right,

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<v Speaker 2>really the prominent teams Yeah, that at least recently or

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat recently have had their hat in the ring for

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<v Speaker 2>the championship. If you're picking on that level, which where

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<v Speaker 2>you're going with.

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<v Speaker 1>God in terms of like how easy or not easy

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<v Speaker 1>my life is at one of those places, Like it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it would be really, really, really difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>screw up Ohio State. Yeah, at this point, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually thinking about the jobs where there is the least

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<v Speaker 1>resistance within your conference, that things are behind you in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of infrastructure to give you every opportunity in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to build a top five roster, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be hard to win nine games or eight games

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<v Speaker 1>right with the things available to at Ohio State. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily want to live in Columbus, Ohio. I've been,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's totally fine. I've enjoyed it at

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<v Speaker 1>different times of the year. But if again, if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>having my brothers, I'm incorporating geography into this and just

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<v Speaker 1>not my move personally, but of those jobs, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>strictly looking at that in terms of like you're living

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<v Speaker 1>in the facility. Anyway, what is the hardest to screw up? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ton of pure as the head coach at

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, but with the day to Danis Danis of Georgia, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>LSU Texas. Now Texas would be a good time, But like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see it as being set up booster

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<v Speaker 1>wise and infrastructure wise to succeed in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State is. So in terms of the most difficult

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<v Speaker 1>job to screw up at this point, it's probably Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go over to beat you of a Okay, how

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<v Speaker 2>much patients should fans of a program that has maybe

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<v Speaker 2>started to plateau have with their coach i e. Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 2>giving the heave ho to Paul christ after two merely

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<v Speaker 2>average seasons or Iowa State fans getting impatient with Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell not moving them to the next level. Does it

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<v Speaker 2>matter if your expectations are sky high slash borderline unreasonable?

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<v Speaker 2>I think John Cooper at Ohio State, Frank Solich at Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, or having a more mediocre

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<v Speaker 2>to bad history. So there's a couple questions in there.

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<v Speaker 2>This is obviously predicated someone on what happened to Paul Chris. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't had a whole lot of an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the Paul Christ situation on the podcast, given

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it happened, as it always does, on

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<v Speaker 2>a Sunday after we hit the stop button. So perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>we can discuss that a little bit now and use

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Christ as a go buy for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>college football. Paul Christ recently, as in last week, lost

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty four at home to Illinois. Illinois is not

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<v Speaker 2>what it was in years past. Brett Bielma has them

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<v Speaker 2>playing well. They're a four and one team at time

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<v Speaker 2>of recording, But the manner in which Wisconsin loss was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly troubling, and the way that the offense has looked

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<v Speaker 2>so far, despite bringing over a new offensive coordinator, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not been very appealing. It's just not given anyone the

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<v Speaker 2>impression that things are going in a good direction. So,

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<v Speaker 2>by surprise, Wisconsin decides they were moving on from Paul Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly after a lengthy chat with mister Christ. They've also

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated down his buyout to somewhere in the eleven million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar range. I believe that's down from about nineteen or

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen somewhere in there, right. So Paul Christ, a native

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<v Speaker 2>son of Wisconsin, doing his part, I guess on some

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<v Speaker 2>level to help the university not take the full buyout

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<v Speaker 2>and allow them to put it towards a new coach.

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<v Speaker 2>So who knows who the new guy is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>We can maybe talk about that if we want. But

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<v Speaker 2>we did put out a call in our videos and

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<v Speaker 2>in the short snippet that we recorded after the fact,

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted folks to write in, Wisconsin fans to

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<v Speaker 2>write in and let us know what their thoughts were

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<v Speaker 2>on the hiring. You will not be surprised to learn

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<v Speaker 2>that one hundred percent of the messages we received were

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of this move. Everybody wanted to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of Paul Chris, and not even like in a mean way.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who emailed.

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<v Speaker 1>In were very, very friendly, and all the people connected

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<v Speaker 1>to Wisconsin, right the Wisconsin fans that Wisconsin to the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody was very diplomatic about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody has the utmost respect for Paul Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>But the general sentiment that I got is it was

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<v Speaker 2>time you could see it on the field. We're happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see them move on. There also is an assumption

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<v Speaker 2>that Jim Leonard, the now interim coach slash defensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the next guy out for the job.

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<v Speaker 2>That will all work itself out in due time. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we even get into this question from beat you

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<v Speaker 2>of a now that we've had a couple days to

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<v Speaker 2>process the news Dan, the Paul Criss thing, how surprising

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<v Speaker 2>was it to you? And was it the right move

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<v Speaker 2>to make it this time?

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<v Speaker 1>An incredible surprise? Not because it wasn't worth a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and not worth not because it wasn't unjustified, but just

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<v Speaker 1>because with a lot of these guys who have succeeded,

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<v Speaker 1>which there are not many on the level of Paul

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<v Speaker 1>christ in terms of the Bulls, in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>wins whatever. I mean, He's won ten games and went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Rose Bowl in twenty nineteen, right, yep, yep

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<v Speaker 1>that and Wisconsin to date has done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>excellent things, sometimes an offense, sometimes a defense, sometimes developing

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<v Speaker 1>higher level NFL players, like do they have the best

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<v Speaker 1>running back in the NFL? I don't know follow the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL closely enough, but I know Jonathan Taylor is in

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation, right, so develop legit superstars at the next

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<v Speaker 1>level at the moment. So I just figured that it

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<v Speaker 1>would if this situation would have been a either overhaul

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<v Speaker 1>your coaching staff or done in December. Now, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the current mechanics of the sport being that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a signing day in December, teams are doing everything they

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<v Speaker 1>can to make a decision that they know they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make as early as possible because of keeping together

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<v Speaker 1>a recruiting class or giving that next guy all the

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<v Speaker 1>time in the world to quickly assemble a recruiting class

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<v Speaker 1>to sign in December and February right to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>lock in those relationships. So, just with regard to Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>it I don't know, it falls under the thing we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about last year. I think where there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be sort of an older guard falling off in the

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<v Speaker 1>coaching community that doesn't necessarily want to be as proactive

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<v Speaker 1>in the portal, as proactive with NIL stuff, and that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't fully want to I'm trying to think of the

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<v Speaker 1>right word here, that doesn't fully want to admit the

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<v Speaker 1>current realities of the sport that this isn't how it

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<v Speaker 1>was ten years ago, five years ago, twenty years ago

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<v Speaker 1>when I was an assistant, when I was a young

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<v Speaker 1>head coach or whatever, and football is football and everybody

0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.160
<v Speaker 1>else is doing it and passing you by. Now. Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>has not been able to develop a quarterback during the

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<v Speaker 1>christ era in the way that a lot of schools

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<v Speaker 1>that Wisconsin beats are able to. And ultimately, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was the term backslide that Wisconsin fans have used

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<v Speaker 1>a lot when you look at the recruiting trail with Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at quarterback development, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to hire or maintain assistance or change things

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<v Speaker 1>on offense, Wisconsin has been in this program that And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you had this in your school. What was

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<v Speaker 1>your high school GPA tie if you don't mind me asking,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's very personal, some whatever region it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was, Yeah, I mean it was I think with AP credits,

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<v Speaker 2>probably above A four. I don't remember exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, damn, okay, so you can't relate to this.

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<v Speaker 1>So mine was I don't know, three six threes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was somewhere that was like in that B plus

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<v Speaker 1>A minus range. I was a totally okay student. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty good test taker, a good essay writer

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But I didn't do my homework, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>study for the little tests, and I didn't do as

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<v Speaker 1>well on them. Wisconsin always did its busy work right.

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin would always beat this year's iteration of Illinois. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sort of wait for the big games to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>They showed up every single week and beat the brains

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<v Speaker 1>out of everybody who was lesser or around the same level.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they were so well coached. Guys always stuck around

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<v Speaker 1>in Wisconsin, developed played as upperclassmen, and the system was

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<v Speaker 1>just infuriatingly efficient efficient. That fell off right, So in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of patients, when you look at underlying issues that

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin has always done X well, Wisconsin has always done

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<v Speaker 1>why well. And it's a development place, right. They're never

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<v Speaker 1>going to put together top fifteen classes and string those together,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're going to find those three stars, develop them

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years before they see serious time

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, and then they thrive and then they

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<v Speaker 1>are part of a top five national defense or one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best offensive lines in the country. Whatever. They

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<v Speaker 1>stick to what they do and they do it well.

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<v Speaker 1>When that goes, it seems it's hard to get it back,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I don't know if it's the specific Illinois

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<v Speaker 1>loss and the symbolic nature of it being Brett Beelima

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<v Speaker 1>being the guy on the other side of the field

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially out Wisconsin and Wisconsin with that run defense

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<v Speaker 1>and Chase Brown, it can't feel good, right. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was the symbolic nature of that specific loss, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's sort of a toothpaste in the two type situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't point to, well, he's got a top eight

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting class, like maybe Louisville can with Scott's afield with

0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.560
<v Speaker 1>his ridiculous class. At least at the moment coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't point to competitive losses with Nebraska bringing back

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Frost because of how Nebraska played against Ohio State

0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and Michigan and all these teams Oklahoma. So the manner,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the word you use, that we've been using

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, I think is an overwhelming part of this

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<v Speaker 1>that there's nothing that Wisconsin and the administrators of Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>can point to. Yes, but at least this looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a bright spot for years to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's the issue to me is practice patients. When

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<v Speaker 1>it's early and there are signs of growth, and right

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<v Speaker 1>now it just seems that Wisconsin's trying to do what

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<v Speaker 1>it always did well and it's they're doing it poorly,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's hard to reverse course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, so much of college football right now

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<v Speaker 2>is trading on potential success. Sure, trading on potential dollars

0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that could follow down the line if somebody, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you catch lightning in a bottle and you can

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<v Speaker 2>put the right coach in the right spot at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time, build a program up in time for this

0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.679
<v Speaker 2>incredible windfall of cash that is upon us now in

0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.600
<v Speaker 2>college football, programs could really stand a benefit from that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the manner in which a program has

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<v Speaker 2>conducted itself here Obviously through the early part of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, that's been a story, as we've seen coaches

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<v Speaker 2>be relieved of duties for the last four weeks running.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it just doesn't feel like there is momentum

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<v Speaker 2>in a positive direction at a place like Wisconsin, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for as as much as it sucks to see by

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<v Speaker 2>all accounts, a good guy like Paul Chris Loser's job,

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<v Speaker 2>it also makes a lot of sense Wisconsin is looking

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the writing on the wall here with respect of

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<v Speaker 2>the Big ten, and there is this feeling, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to make a change now, otherwise you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be left behind. What's interesting to me on

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching candidate front is and I know there's this

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that Jim Leonard is probably going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>guy at Wisconsin. We will find out, right, we will

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<v Speaker 2>find out. They have essentially given him like seven games

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<v Speaker 2>now six seven games to figure out what can he

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<v Speaker 2>do with the talent on hand, how can he make

0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.959
<v Speaker 2>that better different vice versa. And he's essentially got an

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<v Speaker 2>audition here, so I think if this goes well, he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the guy. I would also be stunned if they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make a call to lance Leipold because Lance Lypold

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<v Speaker 2>was at Wisconsin Whitewater where he did great things before

0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.480
<v Speaker 2>obviously moving over to Buffalo and then going down to

0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Kansas and now his Kansas at an undefeated mark of

0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 2>five and oh number nineteenth in the country. So Jim Leonard,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, is in a really interesting spot here. And

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Bruce Felman, our friend Bruce Fellman from Fox

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<v Speaker 2>Sports and the Athletics said that if you're a Nebraska fan,

0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>you want Jim Lenard to win all those games, because

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<v Speaker 2>that reduces the likelihood that they're going to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and try to get Lance light Pold. I don't know

0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.040
<v Speaker 2>if Lance Leipold is leaving Kansas, but if he wants to,

0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.359
<v Speaker 2>he will have options, not the least of which is

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin and obviously Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>So it would be the easiest thing for Wisconsin for

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Leonard to be really strong. That's all, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>they're hoping for in the athletic department right now. Please

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Leonard be clearly strong and a difference maker and

0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, have a different vision for this offense and

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<v Speaker 1>get this defense playing better upfront, especially with what Illinois

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was able to do. So because that's that's the seamless

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin way that has worked for them, right They hired

0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Gary Anderson was an outside hire and that obviously, I mean,

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 1>he's just a different guy. Whatever. That was just probably

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.840
<v Speaker 1>never going to work out in the long term. But

0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Brett Bielma being internal obviously, Paul christ with his longtime

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.880
<v Speaker 1>experience in Wisconsin that Jim Leonard he's only been at Wisconsin.

0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.919
<v Speaker 1>He's still a young guy. Just his coaching career wise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the recruiting class presumably would be in a really

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<v Speaker 1>good place. And even if it's not that strong, which

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 1>it isn't at the moment, it's in the fifties, I

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 1>believe you'll resonate on the trail Jim Leonard in Wisconsin,

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in Ohio and Michigan whatever, not to do a Howard

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Dean impression, but you could see that in this world

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>where you know, look at the schools that have hired

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 1>really young coaches. When you look at you know, Oregon

0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 1>and noted name, you know the guy, even guys in

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:07.000
<v Speaker 1>their forties, Florida, Brian Kelly, well into his eighties. Now,

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean that it is that is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's going to be that divide where the

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.080
<v Speaker 1>older guard is going to fall off, and Jim Leonard

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>absolutely represents upside of a younger guard. Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, before we go any further on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>here you got a sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who are they playing this week?

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<v Speaker 2>They're at Northwestern, They're favored by ten. I think Wisconsin

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.240
<v Speaker 2>will destroy Northwestern's right they're here. Yeah, I think Wisconsin

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>will absolutely annihilate Northwestern this week. So there's there's one

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of my locks. I don't even we probably won't even

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.160
<v Speaker 2>talk about that game on the previews show, but I've

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.720
<v Speaker 2>already bet that game minus ten. All Right. The question here,

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 2>just getting back to this is basically how much patience

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>should a school show?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's the line of thinking being good

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>being the enemy of the great. Is that what the

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 1>cliche is good is the enemy of great? And the

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 1>worry for a lot of places is that you end

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 1>up firing Frank solic right, and then the rotating cast

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of coaches who like, oh, Frank Solich only won nine

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.440
<v Speaker 1>or ten games a year in Nebraska, we expect better,

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Like that's pretty good. Now. They they had they had

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>moments with Bo Polini, of course, but they've been in

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a funk and that that's like a big, bright, shining example.

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.080
<v Speaker 1>What I go back to is how many schools truly

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>regret making that move when it seemed like the necessarily

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the necessary thing to do. How many coaches have proven

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on a big public stage that they were let go

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>because of on field results or lack thereof, and when

0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>they went to their next job that, oh, it turns

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 1>out that school made a mistake and their standard was

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.359
<v Speaker 1>too high and they should have appreciated what they what

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they had. Yeah, you roar back to like it's not

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.439
<v Speaker 1>it's not super often it happens, and you can go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Minnesota and you know some of the struggles

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they had. You know, there was I don't remember it

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>was Stu Mandel or somebody like the Glen Mason line

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:07.520
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, you should be happy with six or

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 1>seven wins, and you know, you hire a couple of

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 1>coaches who don't get you there, and then it looks

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.639
<v Speaker 1>like a particularly terrible time to be Minnesota or something

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. But I don't I don't have a problem

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.199
<v Speaker 1>with schools holding themselves to a standard and saying we

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>should win eight games. You know, we should win seven games,

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 1>we should be a bowl team, or Iowa State, we're

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>committed to football. I don't think Iowa State is saying

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<v Speaker 1>can we do better than Matt Campbell?

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<v Speaker 2>No, right, I think Matt Campbell is welcome as long

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<v Speaker 2>as he's willing to stay correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there is not a world to me in

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:43.360
<v Speaker 1>which Iowa State can realistically say Matt Campbell has an

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>eight or nine win ceiling, and we think we can

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>get to the next level with a better guy that

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist in names. I think people and ames just

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>big picture are thrilled with the Matt Campbell era, right

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 1>because you've seen the down days, You've seen long stretches

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of down days, and so there are very few places

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're not making a bowl game in your Arizona

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>state and your Nebraska, your Florida or one of those

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>schools like yeah, we should be winning eight games and progressing.

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 1>There are schools that have a history of it that

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>there's proof that they can win eight, nine, ten games

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<v Speaker 1>a season. And if they're not getting there, and it's

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>clearly a fixable reason why they're not getting there, then yes,

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think patients can be thrown out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also like, it's it's again, it's look at

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the underlying facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the program, right Ty, Absolutely, Let's go to Blessed

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Elua from our Patreon. Yes, what's wrong with the Houston Cougars?

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with the Houston Cougars. So I've got

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the stat profile in front of me. Okay, Houston right

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>now is two and three. They beat you at ETSA

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the Thriller in week one. They also beat Rice. Rice

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>not as bad of a team as we maybe thought

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 2>at the start of the year, right, Uh, three losses

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to Texas Tech Kansas and two lane at Quick blush ooh,

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of everything really kind of everything with Houston. We

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.360
<v Speaker 2>were pretty high on the Kougs coming into this year.

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>We're really high on the Cougars. We like Clayton Tune.

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:32.199
<v Speaker 2>It felt like, to some extent, Dana Holgerson, you know,

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>snake bitten, for one reason or another, that this was

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 2>going to be the season that they put it all together.

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I will say this is not an easy schedule. It's

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>not an easy schedule by any stretch.

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>All of these offenses, short of Rice, who's actually run

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the ball pretty well this year, are pretty feisty fighting.

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>This is not an embarrassing record from Houston with regard

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>to their opponents. With regard to expectations, yes, it is

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a little embarrassing.

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 2>With regard to expectations, it has a bit embarrassing. What

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>I will say is that the efficiency numbers don't really

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>like Houston all that much, especially on defense. The defense,

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>by all accounts looks like it is pretty much collapsed,

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty much collapsed. Yeah.

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:11.360
<v Speaker 1>They were really strong last year.

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so you see that bottom out in the

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 2>mander that it has. They're not playing the run all

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>that well. That is just not a great formula offensively,

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>where obviously Dana Holgerson has made a lot of hay

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 2>over his time. They're also stunningly inefficient. And so you

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>combine those two things against teams that can play offense,

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>against teams that you know are at a minimum average,

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and there's your issue right now. We can dig much

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>deeper if we really wanted, But what we're getting from

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>this profile is that Houston is just not getting any

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 2>bang for the buck, that whatever they're doing out there

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>is not maximizing their situations, not maximizing their players' potential.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they're also just losing really close games. Situationally,

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>they are not at executing and now they're in those

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>situations because of a defense that's sort of fallen off

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the cliff, an offensive line that hasn't really protected Clayton

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Tune all that well. There's a lot of little things

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>they did last year that they're not doing this year.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>But you know, if they're they come up with that

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>big pick against Texas Tech. I think it was an overtime,

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>it was late, right, and it's just turning that into

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>points and that's the game, and they didn't. Right, So again,

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Tulane's pretty good. We know Kansas is pretty good. We

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>know Texas Tech is at least frisky. They beat Texas

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and so it's coming them up big in moments that

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>they probably wouldn't have found themselves in last year. But no,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't know if it's an execution thing. I

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's an injury thing. I don't know

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>if it's a depth thing. They haven't a clear number

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>one receiver who's been made plays in Tank Dell. But no,

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>when when saddled with these expectations, especially as they head

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>into the Big twelve, for whatever reason, game to game,

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>they just have not been there.

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Have not been there. No, And you mentioned the line.

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of penalties on the line too. Yeah,

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I believe they are last nationally in offensive

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>line penalties per game. Yeah, they're like five and a

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>half penalties per game. That's double the national average. So

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that points to miscommunication on some level, that points to coaching. Right,

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I talked about that with respect to Notre Dame. They've

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>they've been there too. As they kind of transition into

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>this new regime, so we'll have to keep an eye

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>on whether or not things go in the right direction

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 2>for Houston. I do think it gets easier as the

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 2>schedule gets into you know, mid October, all throughout November.

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 2>There should be easier wins along the way, and hopefully

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>this thing will balance out. But it's been a tough go.

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It's been a tough go, to say the least. Let's

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>go over to Kyle kind of on the same lines here.

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>This is I feel like this is a Dan Rubinstein special.

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>This question.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, going into next football season, you are granted the

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>ability to see the same stat for both teams, not

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>including final score, for every game of the season. Yeah,

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>which stat do you think would be most beneficial in

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>predicting the outcome of those games? So this is like

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>a blind study. We can't see the final score. All

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>we can see is team A had this, Team B

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>had that based on that stat alone as a predictor

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>for who won or lost the game? Which stat are

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you going with? Can I use a Bill Connolly stat?

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>You can use whatever you want, all right, then I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go with the stat that he says is most

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>indicative of who wins games and that's explosive play rate. Yeah,

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll just how often that you are able to generate

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<v Speaker 1>and prevent. Explosive plays is the single most telling more

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 1>than turnovers, more than anything, the single most telling stat

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>about who wins games most often. So it's generating and preventing.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if there's a net number there,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>but or a net percentage, whatever it is. That's what

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I would look at if you were to show me

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Oregon schedule and show me how often they were able

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to generate and prevent, or you were to show me

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi State, or you were to show me Florida and

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>whatever across football. To me, that's what I would take,

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I would think would continue to be

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the most predictive as both units evolve. In the short coort.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of took my answer because I too have

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>had the benefit of many Bill C conversations, So exposive

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>play rate is a big one. That's probably the right.

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Dan Klobacar in the comments, point differential.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, point differential is another one that indicates when they

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 2>need YEA the most logical amongst the overballers. Yeah, here's

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>another one that I can throw out that I look

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>at I like third downs, I like third down conversions.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that tells you a lot about a team.

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>There is some luck involved with that, right, it's not

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 2>always a perfect metric, but if you see a team

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>went ten for sixteen on third downs, that's generally a

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>case that the offense is doing what it's supposed to

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>do and maybe the defense can't get off the field

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>vice versa. If you see two out of sixteen, then

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you know that the offense really struggled against the defense.

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 2>And I would think more often than not, that team's

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>not winning a whole lot of games. So a bunch

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>of these little data points that you could use. None

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>of them are perfect, But since you won explosive play rate,

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>let me go third down conversions. Yeah.

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>By the way, the the old Bill Walsh stat I

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>forget what the official name for it is like in

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>open play, as how it's described from Bill Connolly's stats,

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>is the percentage of first downs that come on first

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and second down has a change, right, Yeah, staying ahead

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of the chains, especially because you know explosive play rate

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>ties into that how often you're able to generate first

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>downs quickly? It probably helps to be able to generate

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>those explosive plays. But that's a big one too, because

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you talk about third downs, if you don't face a

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of third downs. That's also amazing.

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>From Steven Dan. If you could build a full team

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>with an offense from one team in a defense from another, Yeah,

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>how would you build that team?

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So of twenty twenty.

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Two's I think I think so? I think so, pull

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>up a.

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>List of teams.

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State's the offense, right, Ohio State's got to be

0:31:59.000 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, probably at this point with how much more consistent,

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Like there's no shame in only scoring what they score

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>against no more name twenty one. Yeah, I don't think

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>there's any shame in that performance, especially without Jackson Smith

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and Jigba and you know, the full weaponry of receiving

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and Mayan Williams in week.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>One now is in week one, right, I mean, so

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>much of what we saw in week one kind of

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>goes out the window. I do think Ohio State is

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>starting to rev up that offense and starting to get

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to the heights that we expected, and they're doing so

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>even without Jackson Smith and Jigba. Right, But we'll be

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>back at some point this season and Trey Henderson, you know,

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't play last week. So this this is an incredibly

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>loaded offense, which is part of why I still believe

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>they're going to win the national championship. But on the

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>defensive side, we have options, right, Georgia, Georgia. Is George's

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>defense as good as we expected against Oregon?

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, against Kent State, against missoo maybe not. I can

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>tell you. I can tell you what the points per drive,

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the analytics metrics that I prefer. The number one defense

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>in America just in terms of points per drive allowed

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>is Minnesota? Number two? Is Georgia Alabama's five, James Madison

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>number four?

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Tie? Oh, do we want to go Maddie's here? Could

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>be pennis.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Ole miss nine, where Mischig looking at the double digits,

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Illinois is number three?

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Tie?

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Where's Michigan's defense? Michigan is number two?

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>But again, where the quarterbacks Michigan has played? Right, it's

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Spencer Petris, It's Hawaii's starting quarterback whose name is gives

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>me at the moment. Colorado State, you got like, that's

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>probably a top twelve defense in the country, But I

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know on that level. Yeah, if Clemson's healthy, that's

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a conversation. Yeah, even Ohio State is an interesting question

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>because they've been without some corners, Like, just fully go

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 1>with Ohio State, You're national champion, just got next Baz Baz.

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Which college's brand is most misaligned with their conference affiliation? Dan,

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you're a culture guy, big on culture. I remember when

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Colorado joined the PAC twelve and there was just conversations.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Galore about how I think it's a fit. Yeah, about

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>how the culture of Boulder would fit or not fit

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 2>with the PAC twelve. And I think it's fine. Obviously

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>they would prefer a much better college football season this year.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 2>We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell.

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Have they started their season Colorado? Is that a thing

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:41.879
<v Speaker 1>we've been able to nail down?

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell also lost his

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>job amid the Paul christ News.

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>But by the way, you were right there with Colorado,

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>oh and twelve. You were right there during our Pack

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>twelve previ you were like, I don't it brings me

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>no pleasure in telling you this. Colorado may go winless

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and now it's looking are really bad. I think they're bad.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you look at their predicted outcomes, the

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>advanced stats. I think have Colorado is on twelve right?

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, sure.

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>The percentage chance so zero wins is forty eight percent,

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>one win is thirty nine, to two is eleven. There's

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>a two percent chance that they win three games. It's

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 1>all double digit prediction losses the rest of their way.

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Ooh brutal. Which school is most misaligned with their conference affiliation?

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you a question in response to this question?

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Penn State is a natural cultural fit

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Ten as.

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 1>They were in a pennant before, But I just they

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>have the history that's that seems so important, Like there's

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>so much lore involved with so many Big Ten teams historically,

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a really good fit. But I'm

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>just speaking from my experience and just seeing the amount

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>of New Jersey and Philly at a Penn State tailgate

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and then sort of matching that to what I experienced.

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of the big Big ten

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>schools attract people from New York, from California or whatever,

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Indiana and Wisconsin and Michigan, what have you.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>But it did seem different. It did seem different, And

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I actually think this about Rutgers in the Big Ten.

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I think this about Maryland and the Big Ten, and

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I think this is about Nebraska in the Big Ten

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>that from the core of the conference, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin,

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue Minnesota. It is different going to

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>a Nebraska game. It is different going to Rutgers. I've

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 1>been to Piscataway, have not been to a Rutgers game.

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>It is different going to College Park. Like Maryland is

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>as acc to me as any ACC team. But we're

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>having this conversation about the Big Ten. So I think

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the newer additions to the Big Ten don't fully strike

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>me as obvious, you know, carryover from the other schools.

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, for sure, the culture of Penn State

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>is unique in that it is an interesting hybrid between

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 2>New York Philly and Pittsburgh. And you may not have

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that elsewhere around the conference. But Penn State's been in

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten for so long that I think the

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 2>culture there has grown around the Big Ten. And though

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it may be a bit unique as compared to some

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>of the other schools in terms of culture and fit

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and student body what have you, I don't think like

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it feels that misaligned to me. The Maryland thing, I

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>still screw up, kind of like I do with the

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Brewers being in the AL right, Like I'm just never

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna get used.

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 1>To the San Diego Chargers, right, yes, no, no?

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe I'm thinking of the Houston Astros. I can't

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>even get a shange.

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Brewers made a move, I think as well,

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>whoever is.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>In the AL now, Like, I'm never going to get

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that straight, And I still get confused sometimes when we

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>go through we do our previous and recaps about which

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 2>conference Maryland is in, because it doesn't it doesn't feel right.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>It's probably more of a me thing.

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 1>But doesn't it seem like they're it? Like okay, in

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>a dream world in which we have eight team conferences.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying Penn State deserves this or should

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>be in this, but just in terms of like, oh,

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>this all sort of makes sense. This is all sort

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of a warm sensicle blanket. When we look at the

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 1>organization of the sport, the tapestry of smaller conferences. If

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>there were a conference like a Upper ACC Big East

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>melding of like like Penn State should be playing like

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Virginia Tech every year to me. I don't know why

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 1>that is like a Syracuse, Penn State, Boston College Pitt

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>like there. There is something to me that like brings

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>all of like the like a tortilla would wrap that

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>into a competitive burrito in a more interesting way culturally

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to me. Does that strike you as anything that makes sense?

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Or am I just nutty? I think you might be

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit nutty, But it's okay, that's okay. I

0:38:55.000 --> 0:39:00.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you about like Florida State. Okay, the

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>ACC as opposed to the SEC, yeah, or Big East

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 1>that does hasn't existed in quite something.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Big East is long dead rip. Yeah, but Florida State

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and the SEC, uh huh feels like much better of

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a fit. I am.

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>There is the weird thing where the Florida schools are

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>in different conferences. Uh, yes and no, yes and no.

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Florida State doesn't have the long football history, right. Florida

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>State football kind of started as a power with Bobby Bowden,

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So we're not going back a crazy way and a

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of the SEC powers can go back. It would

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>make sense. But I don't know. With the number of

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>teams in the Southeast or East Coast or Southeastern whatever, however,

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>we want to qualify like they are a fit with

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Miami and North you know, all the Carolina in North

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Carolina schools. It seems when you start getting into the

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Northeast with Syracuse and pitt and Boston College, that's.

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>A little bit weird.

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>But at least with the Eastern Seaboard teams like the

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Virginia schools, like there's a history there, it kind of

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>seems like there's a fit. So I'm not as crazy

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 1>about moving Florida state elsewhere because of fit, but like

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>fair enough, I'm willing to listen fair enough.

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 2>So here's our final question for the Public Show. We're

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 2>going to do the second half of this as part

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 2>of our normal Q and A slash bruin a yes

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that you and I would typically do and post out

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>on Patreon Forballers dot com every week. So if you

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>want to hear the second half that, we've got some

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>fun questions about Oklahoma Halloween. I mean, just like a

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>whole the NCAA video game. Excuse me, We've got a

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun stuff that comes after this. But final

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>question here on the Public Show from Andrew, if you

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 2>had to pick two people who you'd have on a

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Manning cast like set for a big who would they be?

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>So is the assumption that it's me and you and

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>then two other people?

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>No, I just I think we're TV executives.

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 2>We're TV executive.

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>We're choosing this for ESPN, and it could be anybody

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to not announce the game but just sort of react

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>and have conversation during the game, vaguely about the game

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>or specifically about the game in different moments.

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so other than to Greg McElroy's, which is of

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.959
<v Speaker 2>course the answer, of course, what are we looking for here?

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I think what we're looking for to make it watchable

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>is some balance of seriousness with silliness or personality. Right.

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 2>You obviously have to have people who could speak knowledgeably

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 2>about the game of football, who can see what's going

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>on and in real time break it down in a

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>way that makes it interesting and relatable. Do you have

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 2>any thoughts that come to mind as you are a

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>TV executive?

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say during the regular season, nobody. During

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the regular season, nobody, because I think to to say

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 1>to look at what the Mannings are doing and say

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that it's replicable because they have the chemistry of being

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 1>brothers and being literal brothers and teasing each other and

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>going through their own experiences, as is Eli Manning going

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 1>to make the Hall of Fame. Quite possibly should like

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame quarterbacks with that deep knowledge of the game,

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 1>especially with recent knowledge of the game that they're only

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>recently retired. I think that's pretty much impossible. All the

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 1>good ones were already on TV networks, it seems, or

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>on the radio or doing something within the sport. What

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>is most attractive to me would be in a national

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>championship game or a playoff game or major major bowl game,

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>is to get two or three coaches doing the Coaches

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>round whatever the roundtable show that they do, but specific

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>ones who have played those teams, who've had success against

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 1>those teams, that are like more tenured within that league.

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>That though, So if it's a I don't know, I'm

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>making this up obviously. If it's a Georgia, Ohio State

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>national championship this year, okay, and we get to have

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh and Nick Sabe and Eli Drinkquitz or you

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, like or James Franklin when they're like,

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, when we're preparing to play this team. One

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things, was like we never saw them

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>using the tight end like they started doing later on

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 1>in the season. Right that there is interesting enough connective

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>tissue with game planning for these teams, with being familiar

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>with the coaches, with being longer term college football coaches,

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>so they've kind of been there and seen it all.

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>But you have different levels of experience, which is why

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I have like the Eli Drinquitz, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh,

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>where there's just one guy's been there forever, one guy's

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>been there for a while, another guy's been there for

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>only a couple of years. I think that's fascinating right

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.399
<v Speaker 1>where you start getting, you know, Dan Mullen would watch

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the National Championship and like, oh, they're going outside down

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>here again. Where you get like guys being so familiar

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>with the types of offenses that teams are running, and

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>then in the commercial breaks talking about like, oh man,

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>it'd be weird to see if they stop running this

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of quarters. Look that it doesn't have to be

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>just about x's and o's, or during the commercial break

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about recruiting Jalen Carter, recruiting Jackson Smith and

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Jigba and like great kid, weird dad you know, obviously

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.479
<v Speaker 1>thrilled to see him having success at Ohio State. Wish

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>he had come to wherever. That's that to me is

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the would be cool about having that alternate feed, having

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that that sort of closeness to the teams involved in

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:20.879
<v Speaker 1>a big game.

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like, I like whatever you can put coaches

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>in that position. We got a little tipsy, little tips.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get him a little tipsy, Yeah, get get

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>the uh you know, get the inhibitions a little bit lower.

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.919
<v Speaker 2>But I've generally really liked the mega casts when they've

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 2>done them. Yeah, and you know, you tend to see

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 2>some more coaching personality in that setting. Gary Patterson's always

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 2>been a hoot. Yeah, always, if not a little intimidating.

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget the time who was on set with

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Major apple White. Major apple White was like taking notes.

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean some of these coaches, you know, you put

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>them in a situation where they can really break things

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>down and and do so kind of off the cuff,

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's really impressive to watch. So I think I'm

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 2>with you, just interesting combinations of coaches from varying levels

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of experience, and yeah, you know, programs around the country

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 2>I think would be really cool.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't know if you

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>need that Lougan Bill there to sort of organize it all.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 1>But obviously the Mannings don't need that host. I think

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>they tried out hosts ESPN did to like work with

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the Mannings, and they were just like, we're good, Yeah,

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna talk. We're fine. I think that's the move.

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 1>It's impossible because that's just you know, it's it's hurting

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>cats to get those types of big names, because I'm

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>sure there's bad blood about something with a lot of

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>these guys, which is why you see a lot of

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>random pairings. You're like, oh, I guess, why would Derek

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Mason and Mike Leech hate each other or something like that.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So of course they're gonna be the same like that,

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you'll have that. But with some of the bigger guys,

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>it'd be great, it really would. They're weirdos in their

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 1>own ways, and so maybe they're not going to be

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>as fun loving as the Mannings, but I think there

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 1>is still potential there.

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.799
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