1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. He'll that for me. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: be happy. You want to be happy for a day? 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Edo Steak is that? 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Whoo whoo? 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: And Don and Tie. 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Stalid Verbal Boys and Girls Money 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: as always, Tie Hildebrand, his name as always, Dan Rubinstein. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: Please to have you back on the podcast, mister Rubinstein. 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: How are you fine, sir? 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing better voice wise. I know I probably sound 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: a little bit different than I usually do, but I'm 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: better than I was when we recorded our little emergency 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: hit when Paul christ was relieved of his duties Sunday evening. 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: We're recording this Tuesday midday. I just had to glance 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: over and check at the time and the day because 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: that's who I am as a human. But I'm good. Ty. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: I always love these Q and A episodes, and not 20 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: many of them get released to the public because it's 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: a special bonus feature for our subscribers on verbalers dot 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Com on our Patreon, which is just incredible. So I'm 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: always happy, uh to interact and bounce things off of 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: them and bounce things off of you. 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: I am as well. This episode, all of our episodes 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: driven by our good friends over at Geico. 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Do not forget. 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: If you're in the New York area. On Friday, October 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 2: the seventh, we are doing College Football, the game show. 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: We have begun preparations. The show is going to be awesome. 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: I am looking forward very much to this show. A 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: lot of moving pieces. Oh it's gonna be so cooing 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: sounds from all sorts of different places, odd crevasses around 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: the interwebs, but this is coming together in a way. 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: I'm really excited. We'll love a good cravas Soliverblelive dot com, 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: slash smelltieshar dot com if you are ever so inclined. 37 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: As Dan mentioned, today's show is a Q and A show. 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: We don't get to typically do a whole lot of 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: these during the season because there's just games to discuss. 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: We generally will save the Q and A stuff for 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: our brew, which you can find. As Dan mentioned earlier 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: over at Forballers dot com, we do it live every 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: Thursday morning for those of you who want to hop 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: on over not just get the discord, but also participate 45 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: live do a lot of Q and A stuff during 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: the year. This is one of the few weeks where 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: we're going to do it just for the general public. 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: We do them often in the off season. Now, after 49 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: the benefit of one month of the college football season, 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: the calendar has turned to October, we know a little 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: bit more about these teams, right, starting to get our 52 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: starting to get our feet wet with respect to the 53 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two college football season. Why don't we dive 54 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: right in and answer some of your verballer questions. Congratulations, Skippy, 55 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: you've got mail. You've got mail on the solid ruble. 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: As often as we can, Dan, we pay homage to 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: the verbawler hood. And let's start on today's show with Heather. Okay, 58 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: not including your alma mater and or team that you 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: like to root for. If you could coach one college 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: football team in any division, which team would you choose? 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: And why? If you'd like to elaborate, Thank you, Heather, 62 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: and we will elaborate. Appreciate the question. 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: So is this just in general or this year's squad 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: or recent squads? Ty, how do you interpret this? 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: I think this is a free response from Heather. I 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: think you can interpret it however you want. Let me 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: give you my answer to start Okay, My answer for 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: a good long time has generally been Vanderbilt. I believe 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Vanderbilt be the perfect job because here's really yeah, I do. 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: Here's why. First off, the pressure is low, not like 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: super low you're in the SEC, but generally lower than 72 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: your counterparts in the conference. You are inarguably the best, 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: slashed close to the richest conference in college football, so 74 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: resource is not necessarily an issue. You're in a cool 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: place to live, Nashville, Tennessee, and anytime you do something good, 76 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: it will be magnified and you will be made to 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: be a hero in the college football world because all 78 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: we ever hear is how hard it is to win 79 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt. Right. James Franklin's built a career on those 80 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: few seasons that he was at Vanderbilt, did a good job, 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: and he's done continue to do a good job at 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: Penn State generally speaking. But you do well at Vanderbilt, 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: you become something of a folk hero in college football world. 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: So for me, Vandy's an answer. I think along the 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: same lines. Illinois has been one of my answers for 86 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: a good long time. 87 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: You want to live in a champagne. 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: I've never been to Champagne. I don't think you want 89 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: to live in Champagne. Maybe I don't want to live 90 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: in Champagne, but I don't think. Yeah. But my point 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: is just it's a pressure thing. It's a pressure thing. Now, 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: maybe that will change in light of what's going on 93 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: this year at Illinois with Brett Bieloma and he's obviously 94 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: got the Allie and I playing to a pretty exciting 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: level of football. Right. For a good long time, the 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: pressure at Illinois just wasn't there. You could have a good, 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: long career without having to worry about turning gray at 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: a young age, and any time you would go above 99 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: and beyond that was the kind of thing that that 100 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: again would kind of christen you a folk hero in 101 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: the world of college football. 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just coach Arizona State because for a 103 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: lot of the similar reasons. You can be good and 104 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: not great and have a job for a long time. 105 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: You can attract good assistance, you can recruit Southern California, 106 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Arizona has gotten better. You can get you can go 107 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: into Texas, you can live in a warm place, you 108 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: can eat pretty well. I know that's not important to 109 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: all of us, but like just in terms of a lifestyle. 110 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: You can do worse than the Metro Phoenix area. You 111 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: can win games, but the expectation is not that especially 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: now with USC and UCLA losing. Like if the PAC 113 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: ten twelve, whatever it's going to become, isn't looked at 114 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: as a major pressure cooker of a conference. If you're 115 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: merely good, often you're kind of set there. Yeah, so 116 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: I think AIRSU is an interesting answer. I think TCU 117 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: is an interesting answer for a similar reason, right that 118 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: the expectations aren't huge, But it's also not a situation 119 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: like Vandy where you're gonna just get your teeth kicked 120 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: in all the time and you just have to absorb 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: it and you have to convince kids that, yeah, sometimes 122 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna play Georgia, sometimes we're gonna play Bama. Sometimes 123 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna play a better Tennessee or a better LSU, 124 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna lose fifty one to seven. You cool 125 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: with that. So that's it's the bummer of ASU should 126 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: always be competitive, a competitive enough to hang with really 127 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: strong teams in their conference. But at the same time, 128 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: if you win eight or nine a year, it's blank check. 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: It's absolute, Well, maybe not a blank check in the 130 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: PAC twelve, but a sizeable check will come your way 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: pretty often. Now, will TCU hire a coach with the 132 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: last name Rubinstein at Texas Christian University? 133 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, maybe not, maybe not. 134 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: But I see that as another opportunity where you can 135 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: hire good coaches. You know, there's a lot of good 136 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: FCS schools, smaller group of five schools, whatever, where you 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: can sort of have your pick of up and coming assistance. Obviously, 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: you can recruit well and get blue chips from the 139 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: DFW area and beyond. You have a dedicated fan base 140 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: that will just be happy that you don't If you 141 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 1: don't do something disastrously and you go to a bowl 142 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: all the time, there's nobody's going to be disappointed unless 143 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: you're getting blown out by you know, by Baylor, by SMU. 144 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna be pretty happy if you're winning nine games 145 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: a year and going to the Alamobile. 146 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Let me pivot off of this and ask kind of 147 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: a follow up question. Yeah, we are all answering teams 148 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: that are not on that top rung. Yeah, even in 149 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: that top twenty rung. Yeah, if you had to pick 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: one of the blue blood programs, the Notre Dames, the Michigans, 151 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: the Ohio States, the Texas, the Oklahoma, the US right, 152 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: really the prominent teams Yeah, that at least recently or 153 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: somewhat recently have had their hat in the ring for 154 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: the championship. If you're picking on that level, which where 155 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: you're going with. 156 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: God in terms of like how easy or not easy 157 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: my life is at one of those places, Like it 158 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: seems like it would be really, really, really difficult to 159 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: screw up Ohio State. Yeah, at this point, like you're 160 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: actually thinking about the jobs where there is the least 161 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: resistance within your conference, that things are behind you in 162 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: terms of infrastructure to give you every opportunity in the 163 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: world to build a top five roster, and that it 164 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: would be hard to win nine games or eight games 165 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: right with the things available to at Ohio State. I 166 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to live in Columbus, Ohio. I've been, 167 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: and I think it's totally fine. I've enjoyed it at 168 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: different times of the year. But if again, if I'm 169 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: having my brothers, I'm incorporating geography into this and just 170 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: not my move personally, but of those jobs, if we're 171 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: strictly looking at that in terms of like you're living 172 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: in the facility. Anyway, what is the hardest to screw up? Now, 173 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a ton of pure as the head coach at 174 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: Ohio State, but with the day to Danis Danis of Georgia, Alabama, 175 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: LSU Texas. Now Texas would be a good time, But like, 176 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: I just don't see it as being set up booster 177 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: wise and infrastructure wise to succeed in the way that 178 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: Ohio State is. So in terms of the most difficult 179 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: job to screw up at this point, it's probably Ohio State. 180 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: Let's go over to beat you of a Okay, how 181 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: much patients should fans of a program that has maybe 182 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: started to plateau have with their coach i e. Wisconsin 183 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: giving the heave ho to Paul christ after two merely 184 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: average seasons or Iowa State fans getting impatient with Matt 185 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: Campbell not moving them to the next level. Does it 186 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: matter if your expectations are sky high slash borderline unreasonable? 187 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: I think John Cooper at Ohio State, Frank Solich at Nebraska, 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, or having a more mediocre 189 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: to bad history. So there's a couple questions in there. 190 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: This is obviously predicated someone on what happened to Paul Chris. Now, 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: we haven't had a whole lot of an opportunity to 192 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: talk about the Paul Christ situation on the podcast, given 193 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: the fact that it happened, as it always does, on 194 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: a Sunday after we hit the stop button. So perhaps 195 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: we can discuss that a little bit now and use 196 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: Paul Christ as a go buy for the rest of 197 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: college football. Paul Christ recently, as in last week, lost 198 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: by twenty four at home to Illinois. Illinois is not 199 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: what it was in years past. Brett Bielma has them 200 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: playing well. They're a four and one team at time 201 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: of recording, But the manner in which Wisconsin loss was 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: particularly troubling, and the way that the offense has looked 203 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: so far, despite bringing over a new offensive coordinator, it's 204 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 2: not been very appealing. It's just not given anyone the 205 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: impression that things are going in a good direction. So, 206 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: by surprise, Wisconsin decides they were moving on from Paul Christ, 207 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: supposedly after a lengthy chat with mister Christ. They've also 208 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: negotiated down his buyout to somewhere in the eleven million 209 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: dollar range. I believe that's down from about nineteen or 210 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: eighteen somewhere in there, right. So Paul Christ, a native 211 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: son of Wisconsin, doing his part, I guess on some 212 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: level to help the university not take the full buyout 213 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: and allow them to put it towards a new coach. 214 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: So who knows who the new guy is going to be. 215 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: We can maybe talk about that if we want. But 216 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: we did put out a call in our videos and 217 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: in the short snippet that we recorded after the fact, 218 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: that we wanted folks to write in, Wisconsin fans to 219 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: write in and let us know what their thoughts were 220 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: on the hiring. You will not be surprised to learn 221 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: that one hundred percent of the messages we received were 222 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: in favor of this move. Everybody wanted to get rid 223 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: of Paul Chris, and not even like in a mean way. 224 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: The people who emailed. 225 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: In were very, very friendly, and all the people connected 226 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: to Wisconsin, right the Wisconsin fans that Wisconsin to the situation. 227 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody was very diplomatic about it. 228 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,239 Speaker 2: I think everybody has the utmost respect for Paul Christ. 229 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: But the general sentiment that I got is it was 230 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: time you could see it on the field. We're happy 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: to see them move on. There also is an assumption 232 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: that Jim Leonard, the now interim coach slash defensive coordinator, 233 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: is going to be the next guy out for the job. 234 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: That will all work itself out in due time. But 235 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 2: before we even get into this question from beat you 236 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: of a now that we've had a couple days to 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: process the news Dan, the Paul Criss thing, how surprising 238 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: was it to you? And was it the right move 239 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: to make it this time? 240 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: An incredible surprise? Not because it wasn't worth a conversation 241 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and not worth not because it wasn't unjustified, but just 242 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,119 Speaker 1: because with a lot of these guys who have succeeded, 243 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: which there are not many on the level of Paul 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: christ in terms of the Bulls, in terms of the 245 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: wins whatever. I mean, He's won ten games and went 246 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl in twenty nineteen, right, yep, yep 247 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: that and Wisconsin to date has done a lot of 248 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: excellent things, sometimes an offense, sometimes a defense, sometimes developing 249 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: higher level NFL players, like do they have the best 250 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: running back in the NFL? I don't know follow the 251 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: NFL closely enough, but I know Jonathan Taylor is in 252 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: that conversation, right, so develop legit superstars at the next 253 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: level at the moment. So I just figured that it 254 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: would if this situation would have been a either overhaul 255 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: your coaching staff or done in December. Now, because of 256 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: the current mechanics of the sport being that there is 257 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: a signing day in December, teams are doing everything they 258 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: can to make a decision that they know they're going 259 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: to make as early as possible because of keeping together 260 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: a recruiting class or giving that next guy all the 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: time in the world to quickly assemble a recruiting class 262 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: to sign in December and February right to sort of 263 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: lock in those relationships. So, just with regard to Wisconsin, 264 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: it I don't know, it falls under the thing we 265 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: talked about last year. I think where there's going to 266 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: be sort of an older guard falling off in the 267 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: coaching community that doesn't necessarily want to be as proactive 268 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: in the portal, as proactive with NIL stuff, and that 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: doesn't fully want to I'm trying to think of the 270 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: right word here, that doesn't fully want to admit the 271 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: current realities of the sport that this isn't how it 272 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: was ten years ago, five years ago, twenty years ago 273 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: when I was an assistant, when I was a young 274 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: head coach or whatever, and football is football and everybody 275 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: else is doing it and passing you by. Now. Wisconsin 276 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: has not been able to develop a quarterback during the 277 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: christ era in the way that a lot of schools 278 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: that Wisconsin beats are able to. And ultimately, I think 279 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: that was the term backslide that Wisconsin fans have used 280 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot when you look at the recruiting trail with Wisconsin, 281 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: when you look at quarterback development, when you look at 282 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: the ability to hire or maintain assistance or change things 283 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: on offense, Wisconsin has been in this program that And 284 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you had this in your school. What was 285 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: your high school GPA tie if you don't mind me asking, 286 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I know it's very personal, some whatever region it. 287 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: Was, Yeah, I mean it was I think with AP credits, 288 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: probably above A four. I don't remember exactly. 289 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: Really yeah, damn, okay, so you can't relate to this. 290 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: So mine was I don't know, three six threes. 291 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 292 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: It was somewhere that was like in that B plus 293 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: A minus range. I was a totally okay student. I 294 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: was a pretty good test taker, a good essay writer 295 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I didn't do my homework, I didn't 296 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: study for the little tests, and I didn't do as 297 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: well on them. Wisconsin always did its busy work right. 298 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Wisconsin would always beat this year's iteration of Illinois. They 299 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: didn't sort of wait for the big games to show up. 300 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: They showed up every single week and beat the brains 301 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: out of everybody who was lesser or around the same level. 302 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: Because they were so well coached. Guys always stuck around 303 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, developed played as upperclassmen, and the system was 304 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: just infuriatingly efficient efficient. That fell off right, So in 305 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: terms of patients, when you look at underlying issues that 306 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: Wisconsin has always done X well, Wisconsin has always done 307 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: why well. And it's a development place, right. They're never 308 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: going to put together top fifteen classes and string those together, 309 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: but they're going to find those three stars, develop them 310 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: for a couple of years before they see serious time 311 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: on the field, and then they thrive and then they 312 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: are part of a top five national defense or one 313 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: of the best offensive lines in the country. Whatever. They 314 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: stick to what they do and they do it well. 315 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: When that goes, it seems it's hard to get it back, 316 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: and so I don't know if it's the specific Illinois 317 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: loss and the symbolic nature of it being Brett Beelima 318 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: being the guy on the other side of the field 319 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: and essentially out Wisconsin and Wisconsin with that run defense 320 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: and Chase Brown, it can't feel good, right. Maybe it 321 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: was the symbolic nature of that specific loss, but I 322 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: think it's sort of a toothpaste in the two type situation. 323 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: You can't point to, well, he's got a top eight 324 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: recruiting class, like maybe Louisville can with Scott's afield with 325 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: his ridiculous class. At least at the moment coming in. 326 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: You can't point to competitive losses with Nebraska bringing back 327 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: Scott Frost because of how Nebraska played against Ohio State 328 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: and Michigan and all these teams Oklahoma. So the manner, 329 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: which is the word you use, that we've been using 330 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: a lot, I think is an overwhelming part of this 331 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: that there's nothing that Wisconsin and the administrators of Wisconsin 332 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: can point to. Yes, but at least this looks like 333 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: it's going to be a bright spot for years to come. 334 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Now that's the issue to me is practice patients. When 335 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: it's early and there are signs of growth, and right 336 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: now it just seems that Wisconsin's trying to do what 337 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: it always did well and it's they're doing it poorly, 338 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: and that's hard to reverse course. 339 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so much of college football right now 340 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: is trading on potential success. Sure, trading on potential dollars 341 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: that could follow down the line if somebody, you know, 342 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: if you catch lightning in a bottle and you can 343 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: put the right coach in the right spot at the 344 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: right time, build a program up in time for this 345 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: incredible windfall of cash that is upon us now in 346 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: college football, programs could really stand a benefit from that. 347 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: And I think the manner in which a program has 348 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: conducted itself here Obviously through the early part of twenty 349 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: twenty two, that's been a story, as we've seen coaches 350 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: be relieved of duties for the last four weeks running. 351 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: But if it just doesn't feel like there is momentum 352 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: in a positive direction at a place like Wisconsin, you know, 353 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: for as as much as it sucks to see by 354 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: all accounts, a good guy like Paul Chris Loser's job, 355 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: it also makes a lot of sense Wisconsin is looking 356 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: seeing the writing on the wall here with respect of 357 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: the Big ten, and there is this feeling, I think 358 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: that you have to make a change now, otherwise you're 359 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: going to be left behind. What's interesting to me on 360 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: the coaching candidate front is and I know there's this 361 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: assumption that Jim Leonard is probably going to be the 362 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: guy at Wisconsin. We will find out, right, we will 363 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: find out. They have essentially given him like seven games 364 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: now six seven games to figure out what can he 365 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: do with the talent on hand, how can he make 366 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: that better different vice versa. And he's essentially got an 367 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: audition here, so I think if this goes well, he's 368 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: probably the guy. I would also be stunned if they 369 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: didn't make a call to lance Leipold because Lance Lypold 370 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 2: was at Wisconsin Whitewater where he did great things before 371 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: obviously moving over to Buffalo and then going down to 372 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: Kansas and now his Kansas at an undefeated mark of 373 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: five and oh number nineteenth in the country. So Jim Leonard, 374 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: I think, is in a really interesting spot here. And 375 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: I saw Bruce Felman, our friend Bruce Fellman from Fox 376 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: Sports and the Athletics said that if you're a Nebraska fan, 377 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: you want Jim Lenard to win all those games, because 378 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: that reduces the likelihood that they're going to go out 379 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: and try to get Lance light Pold. I don't know 380 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: if Lance Leipold is leaving Kansas, but if he wants to, 381 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: he will have options, not the least of which is 382 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: Wisconsin and obviously Nebraska. 383 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: So it would be the easiest thing for Wisconsin for 384 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: Jim Leonard to be really strong. That's all, that's all 385 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: they're hoping for in the athletic department right now. Please 386 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: Jim Leonard be clearly strong and a difference maker and 387 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: you know, have a different vision for this offense and 388 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: get this defense playing better upfront, especially with what Illinois 389 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: was able to do. So because that's that's the seamless 390 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: Wisconsin way that has worked for them, right They hired 391 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Gary Anderson was an outside hire and that obviously, I mean, 392 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: he's just a different guy. Whatever. That was just probably 393 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: never going to work out in the long term. But 394 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Brett Bielma being internal obviously, Paul christ with his longtime 395 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: experience in Wisconsin that Jim Leonard he's only been at Wisconsin. 396 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: He's still a young guy. Just his coaching career wise. Yeah, 397 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: and the recruiting class presumably would be in a really 398 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: good place. And even if it's not that strong, which 399 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: it isn't at the moment, it's in the fifties, I 400 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: believe you'll resonate on the trail Jim Leonard in Wisconsin, 401 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: in Ohio and Michigan whatever, not to do a Howard 402 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Dean impression, but you could see that in this world 403 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: where you know, look at the schools that have hired 404 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: really young coaches. When you look at you know, Oregon 405 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: and noted name, you know the guy, even guys in 406 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: their forties, Florida, Brian Kelly, well into his eighties. Now, 407 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean that it is that is going to be. 408 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: I think there's going to be that divide where the 409 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: older guard is going to fall off, and Jim Leonard 410 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: absolutely represents upside of a younger guard. Wisconsin. 411 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: By the way, before we go any further on this one, 412 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: here you got a sound. 413 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, who are they playing this week? 414 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: They're at Northwestern, They're favored by ten. I think Wisconsin 415 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: will destroy Northwestern's right they're here. Yeah, I think Wisconsin 416 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: will absolutely annihilate Northwestern this week. So there's there's one 417 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: of my locks. I don't even we probably won't even 418 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: talk about that game on the previews show, but I've 419 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: already bet that game minus ten. All Right. The question here, 420 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: just getting back to this is basically how much patience 421 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: should a school show? 422 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's the line of thinking being good 423 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: being the enemy of the great. Is that what the 424 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: cliche is good is the enemy of great? And the 425 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: worry for a lot of places is that you end 426 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: up firing Frank solic right, and then the rotating cast 427 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: of coaches who like, oh, Frank Solich only won nine 428 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: or ten games a year in Nebraska, we expect better, 429 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: Like that's pretty good. Now. They they had they had 430 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: moments with Bo Polini, of course, but they've been in 431 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: a funk and that that's like a big, bright, shining example. 432 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: What I go back to is how many schools truly 433 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: regret making that move when it seemed like the necessarily 434 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: the necessary thing to do. How many coaches have proven 435 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: on a big public stage that they were let go 436 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: because of on field results or lack thereof, and when 437 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: they went to their next job that, oh, it turns 438 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: out that school made a mistake and their standard was 439 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: too high and they should have appreciated what they what 440 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: they had. Yeah, you roar back to like it's not 441 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: it's not super often it happens, and you can go 442 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: back to Minnesota and you know some of the struggles 443 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: they had. You know, there was I don't remember it 444 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: was Stu Mandel or somebody like the Glen Mason line 445 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: where it's like, you should be happy with six or 446 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: seven wins, and you know, you hire a couple of 447 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: coaches who don't get you there, and then it looks 448 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: like a particularly terrible time to be Minnesota or something 449 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: like that. But I don't I don't have a problem 450 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: with schools holding themselves to a standard and saying we 451 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: should win eight games. You know, we should win seven games, 452 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: we should be a bowl team, or Iowa State, we're 453 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: committed to football. I don't think Iowa State is saying 454 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: can we do better than Matt Campbell? 455 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: No, right, I think Matt Campbell is welcome as long 456 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: as he's willing to stay correct. 457 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: And so there is not a world to me in 458 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: which Iowa State can realistically say Matt Campbell has an 459 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: eight or nine win ceiling, and we think we can 460 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: get to the next level with a better guy that 461 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in names. I think people and ames just 462 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: big picture are thrilled with the Matt Campbell era, right 463 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: because you've seen the down days, You've seen long stretches 464 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: of down days, and so there are very few places 465 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: unless you're not making a bowl game in your Arizona 466 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: state and your Nebraska, your Florida or one of those 467 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: schools like yeah, we should be winning eight games and progressing. 468 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: There are schools that have a history of it that 469 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: there's proof that they can win eight, nine, ten games 470 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: a season. And if they're not getting there, and it's 471 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: clearly a fixable reason why they're not getting there, then yes, 472 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: I think. I think patients can be thrown out the window. 473 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: But I'm also like, it's it's again, it's look at 474 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: the underlying facts. 475 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: Of the program, right Ty, Absolutely, Let's go to Blessed 476 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: Elua from our Patreon. Yes, what's wrong with the Houston Cougars? 477 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: What is wrong with the Houston Cougars. So I've got 478 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: the stat profile in front of me. Okay, Houston right 479 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: now is two and three. They beat you at ETSA 480 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: the Thriller in week one. They also beat Rice. Rice 481 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: not as bad of a team as we maybe thought 482 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: at the start of the year, right, Uh, three losses 483 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: to Texas Tech Kansas and two lane at Quick blush ooh, 484 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: kind of everything really kind of everything with Houston. We 485 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 2: were pretty high on the Kougs coming into this year. 486 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: We're really high on the Cougars. We like Clayton Tune. 487 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: It felt like, to some extent, Dana Holgerson, you know, 488 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: snake bitten, for one reason or another, that this was 489 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: going to be the season that they put it all together. 490 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: I will say this is not an easy schedule. It's 491 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: not an easy schedule by any stretch. 492 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: All of these offenses, short of Rice, who's actually run 493 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: the ball pretty well this year, are pretty feisty fighting. 494 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: This is not an embarrassing record from Houston with regard 495 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: to their opponents. With regard to expectations, yes, it is 496 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: a little embarrassing. 497 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: With regard to expectations, it has a bit embarrassing. What 498 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: I will say is that the efficiency numbers don't really 499 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: like Houston all that much, especially on defense. The defense, 500 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: by all accounts looks like it is pretty much collapsed, 501 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: pretty much collapsed. Yeah. 502 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: They were really strong last year. 503 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you see that bottom out in the 504 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: mander that it has. They're not playing the run all 505 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: that well. That is just not a great formula offensively, 506 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: where obviously Dana Holgerson has made a lot of hay 507 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 2: over his time. They're also stunningly inefficient. And so you 508 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: combine those two things against teams that can play offense, 509 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: against teams that you know are at a minimum average, 510 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: and there's your issue right now. We can dig much 511 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: deeper if we really wanted, But what we're getting from 512 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: this profile is that Houston is just not getting any 513 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: bang for the buck, that whatever they're doing out there 514 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: is not maximizing their situations, not maximizing their players' potential. 515 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're also just losing really close games. Situationally, 516 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: they are not at executing and now they're in those 517 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: situations because of a defense that's sort of fallen off 518 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: the cliff, an offensive line that hasn't really protected Clayton 519 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: Tune all that well. There's a lot of little things 520 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: they did last year that they're not doing this year. 521 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: But you know, if they're they come up with that 522 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: big pick against Texas Tech. I think it was an overtime, 523 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: it was late, right, and it's just turning that into 524 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: points and that's the game, and they didn't. Right, So again, 525 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 1: Tulane's pretty good. We know Kansas is pretty good. We 526 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: know Texas Tech is at least frisky. They beat Texas 527 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and so it's coming them up big in moments that 528 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't have found themselves in last year. But no, 529 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: it's I don't know if it's an execution thing. I 530 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: don't know if it's an injury thing. I don't know 531 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: if it's a depth thing. They haven't a clear number 532 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: one receiver who's been made plays in Tank Dell. But no, 533 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: when when saddled with these expectations, especially as they head 534 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: into the Big twelve, for whatever reason, game to game, 535 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: they just have not been there. 536 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: Have not been there. No, And you mentioned the line. 537 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of penalties on the line too. Yeah, 538 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: I think I believe they are last nationally in offensive 539 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: line penalties per game. Yeah, they're like five and a 540 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: half penalties per game. That's double the national average. So 541 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: that points to miscommunication on some level, that points to coaching. Right, 542 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: I talked about that with respect to Notre Dame. They've 543 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: they've been there too. As they kind of transition into 544 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: this new regime, so we'll have to keep an eye 545 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: on whether or not things go in the right direction 546 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: for Houston. I do think it gets easier as the 547 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: schedule gets into you know, mid October, all throughout November. 548 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: There should be easier wins along the way, and hopefully 549 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: this thing will balance out. But it's been a tough go. 550 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: It's been a tough go, to say the least. Let's 551 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: go over to Kyle kind of on the same lines here. 552 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: This is I feel like this is a Dan Rubinstein special. 553 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: This question. 554 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: Okay, going into next football season, you are granted the 555 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: ability to see the same stat for both teams, not 556 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: including final score, for every game of the season. Yeah, 557 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: which stat do you think would be most beneficial in 558 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: predicting the outcome of those games? So this is like 559 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: a blind study. We can't see the final score. All 560 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: we can see is team A had this, Team B 561 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: had that based on that stat alone as a predictor 562 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: for who won or lost the game? Which stat are 563 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: you going with? Can I use a Bill Connolly stat? 564 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: You can use whatever you want, all right, then I'll. 565 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: Just go with the stat that he says is most 566 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: indicative of who wins games and that's explosive play rate. Yeah, 567 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: I'll just how often that you are able to generate 568 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: and prevent. Explosive plays is the single most telling more 569 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: than turnovers, more than anything, the single most telling stat 570 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: about who wins games most often. So it's generating and preventing. 571 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's a net number there, 572 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: but or a net percentage, whatever it is. That's what 573 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: I would look at if you were to show me 574 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: Oregon schedule and show me how often they were able 575 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: to generate and prevent, or you were to show me 576 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: Mississippi State, or you were to show me Florida and 577 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: whatever across football. To me, that's what I would take, 578 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: and that's what I would think would continue to be 579 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: the most predictive as both units evolve. In the short coort. 580 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: You kind of took my answer because I too have 581 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: had the benefit of many Bill C conversations, So exposive 582 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: play rate is a big one. That's probably the right. 583 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: Dan Klobacar in the comments, point differential. 584 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, point differential is another one that indicates when they 585 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: need YEA the most logical amongst the overballers. Yeah, here's 586 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: another one that I can throw out that I look 587 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: at I like third downs, I like third down conversions. 588 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: I think that tells you a lot about a team. 589 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: There is some luck involved with that, right, it's not 590 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: always a perfect metric, but if you see a team 591 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: went ten for sixteen on third downs, that's generally a 592 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: case that the offense is doing what it's supposed to 593 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: do and maybe the defense can't get off the field 594 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: vice versa. If you see two out of sixteen, then 595 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: you know that the offense really struggled against the defense. 596 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: And I would think more often than not, that team's 597 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: not winning a whole lot of games. So a bunch 598 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: of these little data points that you could use. None 599 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: of them are perfect, But since you won explosive play rate, 600 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: let me go third down conversions. Yeah. 601 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: By the way, the the old Bill Walsh stat I 602 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: forget what the official name for it is like in 603 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: open play, as how it's described from Bill Connolly's stats, 604 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: is the percentage of first downs that come on first 605 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: and second down has a change, right, Yeah, staying ahead 606 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: of the chains, especially because you know explosive play rate 607 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: ties into that how often you're able to generate first 608 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: downs quickly? It probably helps to be able to generate 609 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: those explosive plays. But that's a big one too, because 610 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: you talk about third downs, if you don't face a 611 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: lot of third downs. That's also amazing. 612 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: From Steven Dan. If you could build a full team 613 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: with an offense from one team in a defense from another, Yeah, 614 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: how would you build that team? 615 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: So of twenty twenty. 616 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: Two's I think I think so? I think so, pull 617 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: up a. 618 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: List of teams. 619 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: Ohio State's the offense, right, Ohio State's got to be 620 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: the offense. 621 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: Uh, probably at this point with how much more consistent, 622 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: Like there's no shame in only scoring what they score 623 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: against no more name twenty one. Yeah, I don't think 624 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: there's any shame in that performance, especially without Jackson Smith 625 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: and Jigba and you know, the full weaponry of receiving 626 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: and Mayan Williams in week. 627 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: One now is in week one, right, I mean, so 628 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: much of what we saw in week one kind of 629 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 2: goes out the window. I do think Ohio State is 630 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: starting to rev up that offense and starting to get 631 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: to the heights that we expected, and they're doing so 632 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: even without Jackson Smith and Jigba. Right, But we'll be 633 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: back at some point this season and Trey Henderson, you know, 634 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: didn't play last week. So this this is an incredibly 635 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: loaded offense, which is part of why I still believe 636 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: they're going to win the national championship. But on the 637 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: defensive side, we have options, right, Georgia, Georgia. Is George's 638 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: defense as good as we expected against Oregon? 639 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Yes, against Kent State, against missoo maybe not. I can 640 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: tell you. I can tell you what the points per drive, 641 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: the analytics metrics that I prefer. The number one defense 642 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: in America just in terms of points per drive allowed 643 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: is Minnesota? Number two? Is Georgia Alabama's five, James Madison 644 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: number four? 645 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: Tie? Oh, do we want to go Maddie's here? Could 646 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: be pennis. 647 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Ole miss nine, where Mischig looking at the double digits, 648 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: Illinois is number three? 649 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: Tie? 650 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: Wow. Where's Michigan's defense? Michigan is number two? 651 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 652 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: But again, where the quarterbacks Michigan has played? Right, it's 653 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: Spencer Petris, It's Hawaii's starting quarterback whose name is gives 654 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: me at the moment. Colorado State, you got like, that's 655 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: probably a top twelve defense in the country, But I 656 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: don't know on that level. Yeah, if Clemson's healthy, that's 657 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: a conversation. Yeah, even Ohio State is an interesting question 658 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: because they've been without some corners, Like, just fully go 659 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: with Ohio State, You're national champion, just got next Baz Baz. 660 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: Which college's brand is most misaligned with their conference affiliation? Dan, 661 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: you're a culture guy, big on culture. I remember when 662 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Colorado joined the PAC twelve and there was just conversations. 663 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: Galore about how I think it's a fit. Yeah, about 664 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: how the culture of Boulder would fit or not fit 665 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: with the PAC twelve. And I think it's fine. Obviously 666 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: they would prefer a much better college football season this year. 667 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell. 668 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: Have they started their season Colorado? Is that a thing 669 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: we've been able to nail down? 670 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 2: We haven't even mentioned that Carl Durell also lost his 671 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: job amid the Paul christ News. 672 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: But by the way, you were right there with Colorado, 673 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: oh and twelve. You were right there during our Pack 674 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: twelve previ you were like, I don't it brings me 675 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: no pleasure in telling you this. Colorado may go winless 676 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: and now it's looking are really bad. I think they're bad. 677 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean when you look at their predicted outcomes, the 678 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: advanced stats. I think have Colorado is on twelve right? 679 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, sure. 680 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: The percentage chance so zero wins is forty eight percent, 681 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: one win is thirty nine, to two is eleven. There's 682 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: a two percent chance that they win three games. It's 683 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: all double digit prediction losses the rest of their way. 684 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: Ooh brutal. Which school is most misaligned with their conference affiliation? 685 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question in response to this question? 686 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: Do you think Penn State is a natural cultural fit 687 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: to the Big Ten as. 688 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: Well? 689 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: They were in a pennant before, But I just they 690 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: have the history that's that seems so important, Like there's 691 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: so much lore involved with so many Big Ten teams historically, 692 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,959 Speaker 1: and I think that's a really good fit. But I'm 693 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: just speaking from my experience and just seeing the amount 694 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: of New Jersey and Philly at a Penn State tailgate 695 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: and then sort of matching that to what I experienced. 696 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of the big Big ten 697 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: schools attract people from New York, from California or whatever, 698 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, Indiana and Wisconsin and Michigan, what have you. 699 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: But it did seem different. It did seem different, And 700 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: I actually think this about Rutgers in the Big Ten. 701 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: I think this about Maryland and the Big Ten, and 702 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: I think this is about Nebraska in the Big Ten 703 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: that from the core of the conference, Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, 704 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue Minnesota. It is different going to 705 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: a Nebraska game. It is different going to Rutgers. I've 706 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: been to Piscataway, have not been to a Rutgers game. 707 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: It is different going to College Park. Like Maryland is 708 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: as acc to me as any ACC team. But we're 709 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: having this conversation about the Big Ten. So I think 710 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: the newer additions to the Big Ten don't fully strike 711 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: me as obvious, you know, carryover from the other schools. 712 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for sure, the culture of Penn State 713 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: is unique in that it is an interesting hybrid between 714 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 2: New York Philly and Pittsburgh. And you may not have 715 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 2: that elsewhere around the conference. But Penn State's been in 716 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 2: the Big Ten for so long that I think the 717 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: culture there has grown around the Big Ten. And though 718 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: it may be a bit unique as compared to some 719 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: of the other schools in terms of culture and fit 720 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: and student body what have you, I don't think like 721 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: it feels that misaligned to me. The Maryland thing, I 722 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: still screw up, kind of like I do with the 723 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: Brewers being in the AL right, Like I'm just never 724 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: gonna get used. 725 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: To the San Diego Chargers, right, yes, no, no? 726 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm thinking of the Houston Astros. I can't 727 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: even get a shange. 728 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Brewers made a move, I think as well, 729 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: whoever is. 730 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: In the AL now, Like, I'm never going to get 731 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 2: that straight, And I still get confused sometimes when we 732 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: go through we do our previous and recaps about which 733 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: conference Maryland is in, because it doesn't it doesn't feel right. 734 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: It's probably more of a me thing. 735 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: But doesn't it seem like they're it? Like okay, in 736 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: a dream world in which we have eight team conferences. 737 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Penn State deserves this or should 738 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: be in this, but just in terms of like, oh, 739 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: this all sort of makes sense. This is all sort 740 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: of a warm sensicle blanket. When we look at the 741 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: organization of the sport, the tapestry of smaller conferences. If 742 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: there were a conference like a Upper ACC Big East 743 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: melding of like like Penn State should be playing like 744 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech every year to me. I don't know why 745 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 1: that is like a Syracuse, Penn State, Boston College Pitt 746 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: like there. There is something to me that like brings 747 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: all of like the like a tortilla would wrap that 748 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: into a competitive burrito in a more interesting way culturally 749 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: to me. Does that strike you as anything that makes sense? 750 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: Or am I just nutty? I think you might be 751 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: a little bit nutty, But it's okay, that's okay. I 752 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about like Florida State. Okay, the 753 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: ACC as opposed to the SEC, yeah, or Big East 754 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: that does hasn't existed in quite something. 755 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 2: Big East is long dead rip. Yeah, but Florida State 756 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: and the SEC, uh huh feels like much better of 757 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: a fit. I am. 758 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: There is the weird thing where the Florida schools are 759 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: in different conferences. Uh, yes and no, yes and no. 760 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: Florida State doesn't have the long football history, right. Florida 761 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: State football kind of started as a power with Bobby Bowden, 762 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: So we're not going back a crazy way and a 763 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: lot of the SEC powers can go back. It would 764 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: make sense. But I don't know. With the number of 765 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: teams in the Southeast or East Coast or Southeastern whatever, however, 766 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: we want to qualify like they are a fit with 767 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: Miami and North you know, all the Carolina in North 768 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: Carolina schools. It seems when you start getting into the 769 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: Northeast with Syracuse and pitt and Boston College, that's. 770 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 2: A little bit weird. 771 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: But at least with the Eastern Seaboard teams like the 772 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: Virginia schools, like there's a history there, it kind of 773 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: seems like there's a fit. So I'm not as crazy 774 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: about moving Florida state elsewhere because of fit, but like 775 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: fair enough, I'm willing to listen fair enough. 776 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 2: So here's our final question for the Public Show. We're 777 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 2: going to do the second half of this as part 778 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: of our normal Q and A slash bruin a yes 779 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 2: that you and I would typically do and post out 780 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 2: on Patreon Forballers dot com every week. So if you 781 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 2: want to hear the second half that, we've got some 782 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: fun questions about Oklahoma Halloween. I mean, just like a 783 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 2: whole the NCAA video game. Excuse me, We've got a 784 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 2: lot of fun stuff that comes after this. But final 785 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: question here on the Public Show from Andrew, if you 786 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 2: had to pick two people who you'd have on a 787 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 2: Manning cast like set for a big who would they be? 788 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: So is the assumption that it's me and you and 789 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 2: then two other people? 790 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: No, I just I think we're TV executives. 791 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 2: We're TV executive. 792 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: We're choosing this for ESPN, and it could be anybody 793 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: to not announce the game but just sort of react 794 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 1: and have conversation during the game, vaguely about the game 795 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: or specifically about the game in different moments. 796 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: Okay, so other than to Greg McElroy's, which is of 797 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,959 Speaker 2: course the answer, of course, what are we looking for here? 798 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 2: I think what we're looking for to make it watchable 799 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: is some balance of seriousness with silliness or personality. Right. 800 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 2: You obviously have to have people who could speak knowledgeably 801 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 2: about the game of football, who can see what's going 802 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 2: on and in real time break it down in a 803 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 2: way that makes it interesting and relatable. Do you have 804 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 2: any thoughts that come to mind as you are a 805 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 2: TV executive? 806 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say during the regular season, nobody. During 807 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: the regular season, nobody, because I think to to say 808 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: to look at what the Mannings are doing and say 809 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: that it's replicable because they have the chemistry of being 810 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: brothers and being literal brothers and teasing each other and 811 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: going through their own experiences, as is Eli Manning going 812 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: to make the Hall of Fame. Quite possibly should like 813 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks with that deep knowledge of the game, 814 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: especially with recent knowledge of the game that they're only 815 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: recently retired. I think that's pretty much impossible. All the 816 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: good ones were already on TV networks, it seems, or 817 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: on the radio or doing something within the sport. What 818 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: is most attractive to me would be in a national 819 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: championship game or a playoff game or major major bowl game, 820 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: is to get two or three coaches doing the Coaches 821 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: round whatever the roundtable show that they do, but specific 822 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: ones who have played those teams, who've had success against 823 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: those teams, that are like more tenured within that league. 824 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: That though, So if it's a I don't know, I'm 825 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: making this up obviously. If it's a Georgia, Ohio State 826 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: national championship this year, okay, and we get to have 827 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and Nick Sabe and Eli Drinkquitz or you 828 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like or James Franklin when they're like, 829 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, when we're preparing to play this team. One 830 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: of the interesting things, was like we never saw them 831 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: using the tight end like they started doing later on 832 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: in the season. Right that there is interesting enough connective 833 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: tissue with game planning for these teams, with being familiar 834 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: with the coaches, with being longer term college football coaches, 835 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: so they've kind of been there and seen it all. 836 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: But you have different levels of experience, which is why 837 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: I have like the Eli Drinquitz, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, 838 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: where there's just one guy's been there forever, one guy's 839 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: been there for a while, another guy's been there for 840 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: only a couple of years. I think that's fascinating right 841 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: where you start getting, you know, Dan Mullen would watch 842 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: the National Championship and like, oh, they're going outside down 843 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 1: here again. Where you get like guys being so familiar 844 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: with the types of offenses that teams are running, and 845 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: then in the commercial breaks talking about like, oh man, 846 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: it'd be weird to see if they stop running this 847 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: sort of quarters. Look that it doesn't have to be 848 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: just about x's and o's, or during the commercial break 849 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: they're talking about recruiting Jalen Carter, recruiting Jackson Smith and 850 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: Jigba and like great kid, weird dad you know, obviously 851 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,479 Speaker 1: thrilled to see him having success at Ohio State. Wish 852 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: he had come to wherever. That's that to me is 853 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: the would be cool about having that alternate feed, having 854 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: that that sort of closeness to the teams involved in 855 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: a big game. 856 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I like whatever you can put coaches 857 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 2: in that position. We got a little tipsy, little tips. 858 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 2: I gotta get him a little tipsy, Yeah, get get 859 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 2: the uh you know, get the inhibitions a little bit lower. 860 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,919 Speaker 2: But I've generally really liked the mega casts when they've 861 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 2: done them. Yeah, and you know, you tend to see 862 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 2: some more coaching personality in that setting. Gary Patterson's always 863 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 2: been a hoot. Yeah, always, if not a little intimidating. 864 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 2: I'll never forget the time who was on set with 865 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 2: Major apple White. Major apple White was like taking notes. 866 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 2: I mean some of these coaches, you know, you put 867 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 2: them in a situation where they can really break things 868 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: down and and do so kind of off the cuff, 869 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: and it's really impressive to watch. So I think I'm 870 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 2: with you, just interesting combinations of coaches from varying levels 871 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 2: of experience, and yeah, you know, programs around the country 872 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 2: I think would be really cool. 873 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't know if you 874 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: need that Lougan Bill there to sort of organize it all. 875 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: But obviously the Mannings don't need that host. I think 876 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: they tried out hosts ESPN did to like work with 877 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: the Mannings, and they were just like, we're good, Yeah, 878 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk. We're fine. I think that's the move. 879 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: It's impossible because that's just you know, it's it's hurting 880 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: cats to get those types of big names, because I'm 881 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: sure there's bad blood about something with a lot of 882 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: these guys, which is why you see a lot of 883 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: random pairings. You're like, oh, I guess, why would Derek 884 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: Mason and Mike Leech hate each other or something like that. 885 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: So of course they're gonna be the same like that, 886 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: you'll have that. But with some of the bigger guys, 887 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: it'd be great, it really would. They're weirdos in their 888 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: own ways, and so maybe they're not going to be 889 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: as fun loving as the Mannings, but I think there 890 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: is still potential there. 891 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 2: Head on over to verballers dot com to check out 892 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 2: the second half of this. We've got a bunch of 893 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 2: fun questions left. 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