1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: The Action Network Podcast. Are you going to place a bet? All? 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: What? 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: Welcome into the Action Network Podcast. We are presented by 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: the FanDuel Sportsbook. I'm your host, Brendan Lashen. As many 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: of you listening are aware, this month marks the five 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: year anniversary since the repeal of PASPA, the Professional and 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: Amateur Sports Protection Act, which opened the floodgates for legalized 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 3: American sports betting. So today, with the help of some 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: special guests, we are going to do a special episode 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: called the State of the Underdog, where we'll examine some 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: fascinating betting trends around underdogs with the help of a 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: couple guys. Here we've got Action Network Director of Research, 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: Evan Abrams. He's also the mastermind of our bet Labs database, 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: and Tim Kalanowski is also alongside the co host of 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: Gambling and Rambling and the face of Action Networks popular 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: TikTok account. Evan, what's going on? Thanks just stopping buy 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: How are you? 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm well? I'm well And when I was asked by 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: our great producer Matt Mitchell, who had to be the 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: person on the other side of me for this and 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Tim Kalwanowski, there's no one who's going to question the 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: data and question our opinions. More so, I look forward 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to uh Tim's stuff on this pod. 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everything that I everything is a curiosity 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: for me. I'm actually curious, you know. I am skeptical 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: of the numbers sometimes, so I like to hear the 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: whole story. It's like it's like Ron one of those 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: you know those podcasts that are like a murder investigation podcast, 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: just like just kind of figure out, get get to 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: the bottom of this thing, question all the facts. I 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: don't believe it. 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Tell me what to be our own personal goosebumps. It's 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: gonna be fantastic. We'll make it there. 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: I mean this with I mean this with love and 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: respect to Tim Kalwanowski. But he does have a voice 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: for confrontation and for questioning, like that guy who just 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: has to has to. It's very Larry David, like, hold on, 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: he's got to get a word in, can't help himself. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: So this should be a lot of fun. Here's the 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: deal with today's episode. We're going to examine a couple 41 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: of big picture questions about the betting market and how 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: it has changed since paspa's repeal in twenty eighteen. So 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 3: we'll go sport by sport the four major sports Baseball, hockey, basketball, 44 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: and the NFL. We're going to start with a simple observation, 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: sort of as a tone center. So tim hold it. 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: We're going to go to Avan first. An observation Evan 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: about Major League Baseball this year, courtesy of bet Labs. 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: Go ahead and share it with us. 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: Sure, So this MLB season, now, we're just looking through 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: the month of April, there were thirty nine different underdogs 51 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of plus two hundred or higher and money line price. Okay, 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: So to put that number into perspective, the thirty nine 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: underdogs plus two hundred or more, it's a lot. So 54 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: in our bet Labs database, which goes back to two 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: thousand and five, we've only seen this many big dogs 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: end quotes in the opening month once before, back in 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, So basically tied for the most such underdogs 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: in the first month of the season. So beyond just 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: having a lot of them, those thirty nine big out 60 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: underdogs also got absolutely crushed. They went seven and thirty 61 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: two overall. If you've bet one hundred dollars on each 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: of those dogs in April, you'd be down almost seventeen 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, and that is more than double the second 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: worst start in our database. So statistically speaking, it's been 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: an unusual situation but also extremely profitable on the other 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: side of the dogs in this. 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: One today, we're going to try and answer two questions. 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: One is a change happening in the underdog betting market 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: across sport? And two how should our audience react to 70 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: this from a betting perspective and not be like Tim 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: and feel the chills and feel seen and feel very vulnerable. 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: We want to be less of aulnerable and be more 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: aware of these situations and have these questions answered. So 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: let's begin on the diamond. We used a baseball example 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: to get us started. Let's begin. You may be tuning 76 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: in while betting on a day baseball game. For all 77 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: I know, Tim, what do you got? 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: All I know is it feels like there have been 79 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 4: way more big dogs since passpo was repealed in twenty eighteen. 80 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Am I crazy? So again we're going to talk about 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: big underdogs and I'll repeat this a bunch of times. 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: For baseball, it's plus two hundred or higher since PASPA 83 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: was repealed. So basically, we're going to look at twenty 84 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: nineteen to current you're getting about two hundred games per 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: year of big underdog situations. Now, if you look pre 86 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: PASPA and in the beat Labs database that is two 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: thousand and five to twenty seventeen, it was only about 88 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty games per year, So that is 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: a seventy game drop per season, which actually is a lot. 90 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of where you need to start, 91 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: is the fact that we're just seeing such larger prices 92 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: on teams, and not only that. We talked about the 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: Bad Star in April, right, so the seven and thirty 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: two start for big dogs and you're seeing a ton 95 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: more of them. I think it makes sense with legalization, 96 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: but I think that's where we need to go. 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: Are these trends Evan that you lay out MLB specific? 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: Are we seeing similar trends in other pro sports when 99 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: it comes to baseball? And that specific. 100 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Takeaway, I think you could look for other prices just 101 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: to try to get an idea. So we've seen let's 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: look a little bit higher, right, Let's look at plus 103 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: four hundred or higher, which is basically your biggest dogs 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: you've ever seen type or deal we've seen six teams 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: close at plus four hundred or higher, and five of 106 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: those happened post passbo so and I believe three of 107 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: them happen in twenty nineteen against like the Astros. So 108 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: it's really team specific when you look at that. But 109 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: I think that stat in itself is encapsulating what we're seeing. 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: And if you talk about, let's plus three hundred or higher, 111 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: we've had sixty eight of those in PASBA, which sixty 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: eight and five seasons. You only had fifty six between 113 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty five and twenty seventeen, So you're actually seeing that 114 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: across the market. When you come to underdogs, can. 115 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: You specifically mention what that Astros example would have been 116 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Say, basically the biggest upset in our bet Labs database 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: was the Tigers plus four fifty against the Astros in 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and three of the biggest underdogs all in 120 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: August and September of twenty nineteen, all against the Astros. 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: So sometimes, and we'll talk about this when we get 122 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: to the NHL, sometimes it's team specific, like you might 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: want to avoid the a's to I believe, or like 124 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: one in something at plus two hundred or higher and 125 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: aren't winning any of those games. I think you're going 126 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: to time tend to see certain teams become outliers, and 127 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I think the reason you're getting such high prices in 128 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: these scenarios is the Astros were dominant. It was like 129 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: the Bruins of the NHL type deal Oakland eight. 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: And twenty nine as an underdog. 131 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: As we record to you late in the week in 132 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 3: the in the early part of May. 133 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: Tim Kalanowski, let's go to the ice now. 134 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: Well for Evan going back, So correct me. If I 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: like betting big dogs and winning, then I have to 136 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: eliminate some teams from my list. 137 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: YEP, smart way to do it, because let's just look 138 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: over all here, and I'm really trying to not give 139 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: a ton of numbers because I think it can, you know, 140 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: kind of complicates things. But even if you look just 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: post PASPA with Major League Baseball plus two hundred or higher, okay, 142 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: twenty seven percent win percentage, you'd have a negative seven 143 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: percent ROI PREPASPA twenty nine percent win percentage and only 144 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: a minus four percent ROI. So things tend to be 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: just getting worse as the lines are rising. And I 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: think that's where I have to, you know, stop it there, 147 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: because like a more of a blanket statement. 148 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: When we look at hockey now, there's a similar widening 149 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: of odds in hockey. 150 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Right yeah, I mean you're basically seeing a very similar 151 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: priced sport because obviously both money line sports, as we'll 152 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: talk about again in a second, and you're just seeing 153 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: a similar trend. So just to you know, knock the 154 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: data out right here and kind of move forward. So 155 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: in the fifteen seasons between two thousand and five and 156 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the average for plus two hundred underdogs was 157 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: a little over one hundred games per year. This year 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: you've had two hundred and fifty four, so again, one 159 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty games more. Last year you had two 160 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two, one hundred and sixty games more. 161 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you're seeing about one hundred 162 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: and thirty five percent increase in big underdogs across the ice. 163 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: And you'll hear Leebov talk about it all the time. 164 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: He loves betting underdogs and it's painful, and you're seeing 165 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: just so much more of them across the league. You're 166 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: even seeing it in the playoffs. Like one example, the 167 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: Knights were up two to one, you have a game 168 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: in Edmonton, you have everybody assuming Edmonton's going to win 169 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: the game, that price balloons minus. You just never would 170 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: have seen a minus two hundred, a minus two to 171 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: ten in that spot, and again Edmonton won the game. 172 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: But I don't even think that's the point of the conversation. 173 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: I think the point of the conversation is that's just 174 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: too big of a price, and I think you're seeing 175 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: that with those money line sports, where you don't really 176 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: adjust the puck line, you don't really adjust the run 177 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: line too much, you end up just adjusting the money 178 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: line price, which is kind of putting pricing out a whack. 179 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: So for me, when I look at this, are teams 180 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: just tanking harder or it is the market just catching up. 181 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: In my opinion, at least from like an NHL point 182 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: of view, based off what we've seen recently, it's kind 183 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: of a playoffs versus regular season thing. So if you 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: look even this year underdogs four ninety nine and eight 185 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: to fifteen, you'd be down almost ten grand betting underdogs 186 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: in the regular season, but in the PLA poffs thirty 187 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: one and thirty five, only four games below five hundred, 188 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: you'd be up almost eight hundred bucks on one hundred 189 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: dollars wagers. So I think we talked tanking, we tend 190 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: to talk motivation, and I think that's a large part 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: of it. Because that trend that I just gave you, 192 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a second. You're going to see 193 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the same in the NBA. So I think schedule advantages 194 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: and disadvantages and motivation motivation tends to be two topics 195 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: that are playing into this, especially with the price is 196 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: becoming so much higher. 197 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: You know, isolate motivation, that's what you gotta. 198 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: Know, you know, And in both hockey and baseball, we're 199 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: fining that they are just there are more big dogs, 200 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: and it's just there's some missp pricing out there. Even 201 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: its Evan's Evan's point, I feel like Evan correct me 202 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. Is you might go into it thinking 203 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 3: based on the price and just how big the dog is. 204 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: It's still it would make a good bet to one 205 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: of that big dog because the price is just astronomically 206 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: too big. 207 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you think about it like this, right, 208 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: plus two hundred, you've got two chances to hit a 209 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: plus two hundred to make it back plus three hundred. 210 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: You've got three chances. You know, I'm certain, like if 211 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: I take three dogs tonight at a certain price, right, Like, 212 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of talking about, is that the 213 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: price tends to matter, obviously because you're winning more money. 214 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: But if they're not winning, you just need to make 215 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: a you know, win a little bit more of a 216 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: higher percentage. 217 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: And I just feel like, yeah, and I would say so, Evan, 218 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: I feel like the Boston Ruins, what we just saw 219 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: with them is almost the epitome of this new betting 220 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 4: market in the NHL. 221 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're actually the perfect dichotomy of what 222 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: we've seen in the sense that so they were underdogs 223 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: eleven times during the regular season, the fewest of any team, 224 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: which isn't a surprise for literally the best team in 225 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: NHL history. They went six and five in those games 226 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: as under dogs, and then they get to the playoffs 227 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: and the underdogs on the other side, the Florida Panthers 228 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: tend to be hitting, and they were hitting, and now 229 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: you look in the second round and they're up, you know, 230 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: three to one on Toronto now winning his underdogs as well. 231 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: So I just think again, motivation and I hate to 232 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: say it, but it does work in that sense, especially 233 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: with scheduling and road games and five game road trips 234 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: and back, you know, back to backs. In certain sports, 235 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: it impacts it a lot more than usually other than 236 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: like a game one, where like two teams might be 237 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: on like uneven ground. From a rest point of view, 238 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,479 Speaker 1: you just know what you're gonna get. 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was a fun example. 240 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: Well in the Bruins though too, and Tim you know this. 241 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: They use two goalies all year too. Yeah, so that 242 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: was factored into prices when they had all Mark or 243 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: swaymen and then of course they're scrambling like hell for 244 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: Game seven, let's start swayming. But Boston was still a 245 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: favorite in a Game seven in which they lost at home. 246 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: But the two goalie thing is a wrinkle right in 247 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: terms of a price, because the Bruins may a two 248 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: goalie system, a two goalie tandem work for a regular season. 249 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing with the goalie thing, especially 250 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: with the dominant team like the Bruins, like how much 251 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: did that actually matter? Like how many people are looking 252 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: at the Bruins being like I'll pass tonight when the 253 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: line is minus two seventy five minus three twenty five. 254 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Like I think it was just their priced as a team. 255 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: But one thing I'll vote Brendan here is you are 256 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: seeing the same drop in ROI that you saw in 257 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: baseball as you are in NHL. So pre PASSBA plus 258 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: two hundred dogs are higher, had a plus two point 259 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: six ROI, so you were basically making money. It was 260 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: almost about four grand in those twelve seasons or so 261 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: since PASPA. So since twenty eighteen nineteen, you're minus six 262 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: percent ROI. So basically, the dogs prices are getting higher 263 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and they're losing at a let's see a three percent 264 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: rate less so twenty seven percent win rate since PASPA 265 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: and thirty percent pre so they just the prices are 266 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: getting higher and they're and they're winning at a lower rate. 267 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: That's just not a good equation. 268 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So that's baseball, that's NHL. Very similar parallels. 269 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: What about the NBA. 270 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: So I think before we get into the NBA, and 271 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: I'd be curious kind of Tim's thought and your thought 272 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: on this as well. We're dealing with different betting markets 273 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: and different the way I bet sports when it comes 274 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: to MLB and NHL, versus say NBA and NFL, and 275 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: that's the money line versus the spread. So if I'm 276 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: going to adjust a money line price, you know, say 277 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: someone's betting a ton on a team and you want 278 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: to raise the price from the opener, You're gonna raise 279 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: the money line price. You're going to go from two 280 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: seventy five to two ninety to three fifteen, et cetera, 281 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: et cetera. But when it comes to NBA and NFL, 282 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: those prices might increase somewhat, but you're more gonna see, obviously, 283 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the majority of the market betting seven and a halfs 284 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: and eight and a halfs and betting the point spread. 285 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: So I think when you took when you take a 286 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: look at money lines and betting straight up in the 287 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: NBA and NFL, you are going to see a difference 288 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: because it's just what people are betting more on. If 289 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: that makes sense. 290 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: Kim got something, you got a hot takey question? 291 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 4: No, I just so it's a I don't care, I 292 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: don't care why something happened. I need to know how 293 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: I can profit. So I guess what you're telling me 294 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: is we have money line sports and spread sports, and 295 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: that has changed the the underdog market has changed incongruit 296 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: to those things or parallel to those things. 297 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: That's what I'm seeing, And that's also kind of what 298 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying in the sense that MLB dogs and NHL 299 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: dogs are no bets for me, Like I'm an underdog 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: better anyway, I tend to lean that way and bet 301 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: those sports in that way. But it hasn't gone well. 302 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: And when you look at underdogs in NBA and NFL, 303 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: as I'm going to start to give you some data 304 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: right now, you're just not seeing the same trends. So well, 305 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: let's just look at post PASPA NBA, and again we're 306 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: speaking with the same underdogs plus two hundred or higher, Okay, 307 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: you've got about five hundred and sixty games per year 308 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: post PASPA. In the NBA, if plus two hundred or higher, okay, 309 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: pre PASPA, you had six hundred and forty games per year. 310 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: So again you're not seeing that same trend in the 311 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: NHL and in the MLB. You're seeing the opposite trend 312 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: in the NBA, where those big dog games are actually 313 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: becoming less, and again the opposite of what you're seeing 314 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: in the money line sports. In the NBA, you're actually 315 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: your profit is becoming higher. So post PASPA, you have 316 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: a three percent plus three percent ROI prepaspa negative four 317 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: point five percent ROI. So dogs are hitting at a 318 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: better rate, about two and a half percent higher win percentage, 319 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: and your ROI is up like seven percent overall. So 320 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: two completely different sports. And I think we can talk 321 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: about a little bit later when we get to our 322 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: conclusion kind of why that's happening. But I really do 323 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: think it's a spread sport and a money line sport. 324 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: And you're just seeing such a rise in the prices. 325 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: Why did you go, Kim, go ahead, go ahead? 326 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, bottom line underdogs have completely changed in the NBA. 327 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think those and I think those like 328 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: those spreads are kind of rising with it. Like this 329 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: stat blows me away, and we put this out when 330 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: the Blazers won is nineteen and a half point underdogs 331 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: late in the season. Since nineteen ninety five, NBA teams 332 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: were zero to fifty one straight up as underdogs of 333 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: eighteen points or more. And the Blazers won. It was 334 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: the biggest upset in like thirty years against the Timberwolves. 335 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: And remember Blazers were playing nobody Timberwolves absolutely needed the 336 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: game for seeding and this and that. And if you 337 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: remember those like three days of NBA games, you had 338 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: seventeen point spreads, fifteen point spreads. It was literal chaos. 339 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: And you know when you have landmine, one's gonna knock off, 340 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: one's gonna fly. So that night, especially that night that 341 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: the Blazers at the upset the Spurs were plus sixteen. 342 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: They also won out right, the ninety first time since 343 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one there were multiple plus fifteen dogs on 344 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: the same day, but the first time those two won 345 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: out right. So we've never seen pricing like this before. 346 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: It's nuts. 347 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: Now, I'm curious, Evan with this new NBA CBA that 348 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: is going to kick in next year for the twenty 349 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: three twenty four season. The one that is there's several 350 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: notes when you go through a brand new CBA, but 351 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 3: one that jumps out to me, and this is relevant 352 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: now because we just heard the NBA announce their all 353 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: NBA first and second teams, and some notable guys were 354 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: left off these teams, or at least guys that think 355 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: they deserve to be on those teams, and they were 356 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: left off because they don't play enough games. Now officially, 357 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: with this new CBA, in order to make an All 358 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 3: NBA or win an MVP, you have to play a 359 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: mandatory sixty five games played. And I'm wondering with stars 360 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 3: playing more on a night to night basis, there will 361 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: be less breaking news at six Eastern for a seven 362 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 3: o'clock game. I think I'm just I'm asking, I'm guessing, hoping, okay, so, 363 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: which therefore would mean less line movement and what numbers 364 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: will close at. It actually might help underdogs in a 365 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: way if more stars are playing in that regard for 366 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: better prices. But how impactful do you think this new 367 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: CBA will be in terms of the profitability of underdogs 368 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: if more stars are playing on a regular basis, Well, I. 369 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: Think it depends on how much the market tends to 370 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: adjust the spreads based off of then also when those 371 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: players are playing those games, Like is it is it 372 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: going to happen earlier in the year. I tend to 373 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: think that if you're going to get to that sixty 374 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: five game mark, I think you're probably going to be 375 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: getting to that a little bit earlier in this season 376 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: and still playing the tanking game later in the year, 377 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: because I think you're trying to get rest for the playoffs, 378 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's never going to change, especially with 379 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: teams that already have positioning or are you know, have 380 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: an older team that are going to try to rest. 381 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: So again, you know, if Damian Lillard had played in 382 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: that Portland game, the spread's not nineteen and a half 383 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: at the Blazers probably still winning. 384 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: And if they have Victor wim Benyama, this, yeah. 385 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: There you go. But again, like say the Spurs get 386 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: women Yamas like an example, Okay, and say he plays 387 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: x amount of time during the year and they've won 388 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: like twelve games, Like at that point, are you continuing 389 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: to play him? Are there times later in the year 390 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: where you know you're shutting people down? Like, I don't 391 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: know how much that stuff is going to change because 392 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: again lottery position and also there's just no motivation, which 393 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: I know Adam Silver is attempting to try to figure out. 394 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: But I still think that's going to be priced in 395 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: and the CBA will tend to help a little bit. 396 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: But I don't think this trend's going anywhere. I think 397 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: the money line sports you'll see higher prices, You'll see 398 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: you know, less of you know, a win percentage. And 399 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: I think, as we'll talk about in a second, with 400 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: the NFL, you're going to get less of these plus 401 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: two hundred or so dogs, but they're winning more often. 402 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: The NBA is changing the rules for awards, and that's 403 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: gonna affect our wallets. 404 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, one good example, and I use this 405 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: in the NHL. We'll use it again right now in 406 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: the NBA. Just look at playoffs in regular season, right so, 407 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: regular season this year, underdogs four eighteen and eight twelve 408 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: a one hundred dollars better. It would have been down 409 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: thirty two hundred bucks. In the playoffs twenty two and 410 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: forty six, but you'd be up five hundred bucks. So 411 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to schedule advantages and it 412 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: comes to motivation, I think that's two things that are 413 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: really playing in every single night. Every team's trying to win. 414 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: Every team's trying to win in different scenarios. You're changing 415 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: up schemes, and we've seen it as well, like even 416 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: later in series, you tend to see that the underdogs 417 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: played a little bit closer. 418 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: And if you like the favorite, when it moves from 419 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: six to eight or seven to nine, probably won't matter. 420 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: Now I say all that the Celtics just screwed things 421 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: up in Game five at home, and I'm just using 422 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 3: a relevant example. I'm not trying to go all Boston 423 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: on you folks here. 424 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell is going to kill me if I don't 425 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: use this stat So base of you saying that this 426 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: year it really hasn't mattered if you look the last 427 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: three years. You know, we're talking about if you like 428 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: the favorite, lay the points, if you like the dog, 429 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, do your sprinkling on the money line, like 430 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: make sure you have an appropriate price fifteen percent, twenty 431 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: percent of your wager on the dog. Because this year 432 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: favorite cover underdog win is fifty three, four and one, 433 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: and over the last three years to eleven seventeen and one. 434 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: So it just tends to not happen where that eight 435 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: point doll a eight point favorite wins by two or 436 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: three points. Just not in the playoffs when you see 437 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: like equal motivation and you know you saw it last 438 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: night the Warriors, you know, pulled away from the Lakers, 439 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: and that tends to happen in these games when you're 440 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: strategically preparing for the next one, let's say, and. 441 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 3: The last thing I'll say too. It's not the postseason, 442 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: but think of the last couple of weeks in the season. Lakers, 443 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: just let's just get in, Clippers, let's just get in. 444 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: No one prioritized outside of Denver because they were just 445 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: so far and away the best team in the West. 446 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: Most of those teams after Denver, Memphis and Sacramento, the 447 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 3: mindset was, let's just get in. Okay, let's go to football, 448 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 3: because I think a lot of folks football is such 449 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: a mainstream betting sport. Everyone likes to bet the NFL. 450 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: We consume it, we bet it. And I remember doing 451 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: the doing this very podcast, the Action Network podcast, doing 452 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: our Sunday recaps, getting ready for weekly picks, doing the 453 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: Best Bets episodes. You're Year of the Underdog, Evan. I'd 454 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: be reading your document getting ready to go for the week, 455 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: and the underdogs unders were rolling pretty much the entirety 456 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: of the year. I don't know where that finished up at. 457 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've got it right in front of you. 458 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: But for the majority of the year, Year of the 459 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: under Year of the Underdog, where are we at with 460 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: betting underdogs? The state of the underdog in the National 461 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: Football League? 462 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: All right? So Glash to answer your question, dogs finished 463 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: one fifty five one twenty four and five last season, 464 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: so about fifty six percent a six point three percent ROI. 465 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: And if you look past seasons, it was the third 466 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: most profitable year for underdogs, Yeah, and best since twenty 467 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty one. So yeah, underdo dogs started really 468 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: well and they closed really well. And I think I'm 469 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: actually going to give an example from our colleagues, stucky. 470 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: So there's this trend that we all tend to play 471 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: in week seventeen and eighteen, which is betting against teams 472 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: who need to get in right. So like these teams 473 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: who are playing teams that don't care already eliminated, the 474 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: bet is always to bet with the eliminated team. And 475 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: I think with the NFL you're seeing a bit of 476 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: a similar type streak as you are in the NBA. 477 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: And let's go back to our plus two hundred dogs 478 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: are higher just so we can keep on that, keep 479 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: on that railroad. So post PASSPA one hundred and twenty 480 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: four games per year of plus two hundred dogs are 481 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: higher pre PASSBA one hundred and twenty two. So again, 482 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: basically even now, you're seeing the same thing in the NBA, 483 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: and again the opposite in Major League Baseball and an. 484 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: So the line of demarcation right, money lines and spreads, 485 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: and you're kind of seeing the same thing in the NFL. Now, 486 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: what's happening in the NFL that's different than the NBA. 487 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: And I think this is actually a really good point 488 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: of discussion, is these dogs are losing, so they're not 489 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: profitable even though there's less of them. So since PASPA, 490 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: you'd be down about fourteen percent ROI betting underdogs plus 491 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: two hundred or higher greed. PASPA it was only minus 492 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: four point three percent ROI, so it has rised dramatically 493 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: and the win percentage is down about three percent. So 494 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: I think exactly what you're seeing in the NBA is 495 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: about the same in the NFL, which is the spreads 496 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: are moving, but the underdog prices aren't moving as much 497 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: moneyline prices. 498 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: It feels like if you're a dog guy, you can't 499 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 4: really be a dog guy across all four sports. 500 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's a blanket statement, and I 501 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: think it'd be nice for us to say, you know, 502 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: since the repeal of passed, but x y z x 503 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: y Z, but I do think it's important to remember 504 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: what you're gambling on, or what the public is gambling 505 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: on the most in each of these sports. And I 506 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: think when you're staring at money lines in baseball and 507 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: NHL and the amount of action those money lines get 508 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: versus say, like run lines and puck lines, which is 509 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: met so much less frequently, you're just seeing those prices 510 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: rise so much. And here's one kind of fun fact 511 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: I'll give for you with the NFL, since we're talking 512 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: about that right now, it's, you know, schedule release week. 513 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: Everyone's all over the place looking at week one lines. Well, 514 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: week one lines have been great for underdogs. So basically, 515 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: if I'm looking right here. 516 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: Troit plus two twenty five Week one against the Raining Chimp. 517 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: You've been up like six. You know, it's like six 518 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: percent or so in week one in terms of dogs, 519 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: And the biggest one is divisional home dogs twenty five 520 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: and thirteen ats last twenty years, twenty one and five 521 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: ats in two thousand and nine. So I think underdogs 522 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: as a whole tend to be the right play in 523 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: the NBA and NFL. But it's again, it's all about 524 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of picking your spots. 525 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: New York Jets with Aaron r. I'm looking at fandals. 526 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: Got odds out now for these NFL games as the 527 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: schedule starts to release and all the reports come out, 528 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: so the lines get posted. Jets hosting the Bills September 529 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: eleventh evening, and the Jets are home dogs against Buffalo. 530 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Correctually, Yeah, I'll give you a fun one. So last 531 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: twenty years from the bat Labs database. Anyone want to 532 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: guests who is the most profitable Week one quarterback against 533 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: the spread? Here's a hint. He's undefeated against the spread 534 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: in Week one. He's also active, and we already have 535 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: a line for him for his game currently as we're 536 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: sitting here recording. 537 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: Well, so it's it's four teams we're choosing. 538 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: Crime, right, Goff nailed it. Jared Goff is six and 539 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: oh against the spread in Week one. He was four 540 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: and oh straight up and against the spread with the Rams. 541 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Ironically enough, zero in two straight up, but two and 542 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: oh against the spread with the Lions. 543 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: So all right, let's find out what conclusions we can draw. 544 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: I'll let Tim Kalanowski go first. Well, Tim, based on 545 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: what you've heard, and we'll find out. I feel like 546 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: we're doing like you said, this is like like a 547 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 3: criminal like a murder mystery pod, right, or like a 548 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: murder mystery pod. Have you learned your lesson from anything here? 549 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: Have you found anything that's going to impact your betting 550 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: of underdogs across sports? 551 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: I always thought you were sharp if you looked towards dogs, 552 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 4: But post PAPSPA, it's kind of like the genies out 553 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 4: of the bottle. Not so fast. 554 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the right way to 555 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: look at it. And I would have to look this 556 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: up and we could probably drop this in. But I 557 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: think there's probably something to betting non extreme dougs. And 558 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I'll say that in the sense that you know, if 559 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of plus three hundreds or higher, it's 560 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: something of trying to pinpoint maybe the plus two hundreds 561 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: to plus three hundred area, versus like trying to pinpoint 562 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: the a's at like you know, something of a ridiculous 563 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: price or something of like you know, the coyotes a 564 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: few years ago when they were terrible, or at least 565 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: recently the flyers and ducks, which I gave you guys 566 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: a stat earlier of plus two hundred or higher. I 567 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: believe they are like fourteen and sixty seven the last 568 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 1: two years, and the rest of the NHL was five hundred, 569 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: So some of these stats really kind of pinpoint a 570 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: team or two that might be the outliers. Well, the 571 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: rest of the league is five hundred, so you know, 572 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: one thing I tend to look at is maybe find 573 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: a team and look to fade them and make that 574 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: part of you know, your daily betting habits. But I 575 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: do think the money line and spread discussion is is 576 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: a great one and I think it's like an interesting 577 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: hypothesis for where we've ended up. 578 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 4: Well, what's so dangerous is if you picked the Pirates 579 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 4: this year, you know, as you're like fade team, so 580 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: you gotta have to like, you know, be very careful. 581 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: Yes that is true. 582 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: Okay, Evan, any final conclusions before we say goodbye? What 583 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: else do I need to know about the state of 584 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: the underdog? 585 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: So let's just go over like four points right now 586 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: that I think we've kind of hindpointed as we've gone through. 587 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: So I think it's a money line versus spread discussion 588 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: as we talked about with Major League Baseball and NHL 589 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: versus NBA and NFL. I don't think you can necessarily 590 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: blame everything for tanking, though I think tanking is having 591 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: more of an impact in say the NBA recently, where 592 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: the lines are rising through the roof and with that 593 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: coming like the Blazers upset, I think motivation tends to 594 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: be a very intriguing factor because we mentioned playoffs versus 595 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: regular season playoffs in the NBA and NHL. Dogs have 596 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: been great, regular season not so much. And then I 597 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: just think there's an interesting last point when it comes 598 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: to since Paspa's repeal, you've had a negative underdog impact 599 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: really in pro hockey, Pro basketball, and pro football when 600 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: it comes to the drop in ROI. But basketball has 601 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: been a completely different story, and I think basketball is 602 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: probably the more interesting story because again you mentioned the 603 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: CBA changes and them trying to eliminate tanking. But we're 604 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: gonna have to see it in the market. Like I'd 605 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: be really curious at the end of next year if 606 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: you compared like the average spread per game in the 607 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: final two months of the season and where you would 608 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: be compared to previous years, because I think that is 609 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: really where you're going to see. It's either moved one 610 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: way or you're kind of got what you got. If 611 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: that makes sense. 612 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'll add to being a basketball guy and 613 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: consuming the league we're seeing look at the playoffs now, folks, 614 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: a lot of tandems in the NBA. They have elimited, 615 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: if there's a positive, they've eliminated the super team. Now, 616 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: there are some ugly basketball teams out there. When Portland 617 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: doesn't have Dame, no question san Antonio was brutal. Those 618 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 3: are just two teams that come to mind right away. 619 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: But when you look across the league, now, Houston pretty 620 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: now a lot of media like a lot of young, 621 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: feisty guys, but no like real legitimate dude they're building around. Okay, 622 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: But with the new CBA in place and teams being 623 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 3: the idea behind the new CBA is, let's allow as 624 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: many teams as possible. When they do draft a player 625 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: in the lottery, they've got the best opportunity possible to 626 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: retain using the super. 627 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: Max contract if they make an all NBA. 628 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: Especially, but if just trying to retain guys in these 629 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: markets that are struggling. My point being is with the 630 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 3: new CBA and the league more balanced with its star 631 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: players and their best players, there is a possibility that 632 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 3: there won't be as many big underdogs. I think I 633 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 3: think it's a good thing for the league. Maybe not 634 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 3: good for a better if you want to bet underdogs, Tim. 635 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 4: No, I mean in the fact that you say that 636 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 4: when you like the thing. Bottom line of teams can 637 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 4: be so bad that they absolutely are outliers. I just 638 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 4: want to I love those teams. I love this. 639 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 3: All I'm getting it is, I think there's gonna be 640 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 3: less of those teams the way the NBA is constructing. 641 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: It's CBA. The goal was which is good for the win? 642 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, which is good for the league, bad for our 643 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 4: group chats of everyone jumping on this disgusting, smelly dog. Yeah. 644 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: Going back to our point though here, I'll leave you 645 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: with this one interesting stat. So March April May end 646 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: of the regular season in the NBA this year, where 647 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: you've got you know, maybe these unbelievable lines that we 648 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: can't you know, really fathom plus two hundred or higher 649 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: for underdogs, We're twenty eight in one oh three. So 650 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: that's only twenty percent, right, and you would actually be 651 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: up a nine point four percent ROI this last year. 652 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: So basically, in that scenario where you've got these teams 653 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: where stars are gone there's no dame. You've got nineteen 654 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: and a half. You're only winning twenty percent of the time, 655 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: but those lines are so large that it's Trump and everything. 656 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: So I think that trend will actually continue, and I 657 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: think that's something to look at next year is just 658 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: big dogs end of the season, kind of ride the 659 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: wave because I think they'll continue cashing. 660 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: Do you have any parting thoughts before you out of here? 661 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: You guys want to stick on in tackle college. 662 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: Now, where. 663 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 2: Are the A's playing tonight? Evan? I'd like to bet 664 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 2: them after all this. 665 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: You're like, give me all the MLB underdogs. You know. 666 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 4: It's like it's like the Supersize Me movie, like with 667 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 4: about McDonald's. Like I watched that movie and all I 668 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 4: do is like want to eat McDonald's when they talk 669 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 4: about like how bad McDonald's. This is like that's a 670 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 4: reverse effect. Like now I cannot wait. I'm like, can 671 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 4: the Coyotes play tonight? Please? 672 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 2: Tim Kowanowski, thanks for stopping by. 673 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 3: You can find Tim on Actions, one of actions great 674 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 3: shows on YouTube, gambling and Rambling, one of the co hosts. 675 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: They are also the face of Action Networks. TikTok and 676 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 3: Evan Abrams, our director of research at Action Network. My 677 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 3: name is Brendan Glasheen. Folks, we hope to learn something 678 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: new about the state of the underdog. We did warn 679 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 3: you caution when betting underdogs, but have fun, be responsible. 680 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to the Action Network podcast presented by FanDuel. 681 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time. 682 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 4: Action Network reminds you please gamble responsibly. If you or 683 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 4: someone you care about a gambling problem, help is available 684 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 4: twenty four seven at one eight hundred Gambler