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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, why does Listen and Bill have the

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Speaker 2: same interior? My gosh, are you all the same person

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Speaker 2: our guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, Oh actually wait, let

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Speaker 2: me let you know where you are. My name is

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Speaker 2: Quest Love and this is another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: We're here with Teams Supreme, Sugar Steve, Hello there, Yo,

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Speaker 2: how are you great?

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Speaker 1: Fan? Takeo? What up? What up? And we have Laiah.

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Speaker 3: Still here, yes, yes, and we.

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Speaker 2: Have unpaid Bill new Bill, Bill's Bill's Bill's yeah, Bill

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Speaker 2: two point h. I'll say that our guests absolutely well.

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Speaker 2: I always say that our guest needs no introduction, but

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Speaker 2: I guess our guest does introduction because he's literally done

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Speaker 2: everything except for bounce.

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Speaker 1: The budget, save us from COVID. He's worn a.

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Speaker 2: Pulitzer, a MacArthur Genius Grant, a Kennedy Center Honor. I

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Speaker 2: thought you had to be like at least three hundred

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Speaker 2: years old to get a Kennedy Center Honor. I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize that one could be nineteen and win a Kennedy

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Speaker 2: Center honor.

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Speaker 4: He's won a lot, said, he's.

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Speaker 2: Won a lot of Grammys. He has an Emmy, and

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Speaker 2: he might have a tony or two. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: be it forty thousand dollars on stub Hub or on

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Speaker 2: Disney Plus. You literally have zero excuse if you're not

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Speaker 2: seeing our guests. His creation one of the biggest global

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Speaker 2: phenomenons in entertainment, probably short of thriller. See, this is

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Speaker 2: what happens when I don't That's what happens when I

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Speaker 2: don't have three by five cards.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: Literally, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the quest lof Supreme,

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Speaker 2: the creator of in the Heights of Hamilton. Let's not

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Speaker 2: forget Fossey, Vernon, actor, playwright, mc producer.

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Speaker 1: What else are you? You're director, your father, your.

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Speaker 5: Son, first time caller, thrilled to be.

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Speaker 2: Here, Washington Heights, own Lin Manuel Miranda.

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Speaker 1: All right, so check it all right?

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Speaker 2: You know, like, if I really know guests, I won't

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Speaker 2: prep notes. I'll just go off the top. However, I'm

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Speaker 2: googling you and the questions, the questions surrounding your name.

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Speaker 2: This is this is hilarious to me because under your

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Speaker 2: name comes these following questions. Did Burgh regret killing Hamilton?

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Speaker 2: Why do people like Hamilton so much? Why is Hamilton

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Speaker 2: so expensive? How old she wouldn't be to go see Hamilton?

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Speaker 2: What's the most famous Broadway show? What is Will Smith's

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Speaker 2: net worth? I don't know where that came from.

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Speaker 1: But that came out of no where.

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Speaker 5: I asked that every day.

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Speaker 1: Who's limit?

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Speaker 2: Wels Miranda's best friend? Who is the highest note in

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Speaker 2: into the unknown? And who is a mortal technique? So

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Speaker 2: basically you have you have Oh wow.

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Speaker 5: That runs again?

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Speaker 4: It pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah you're yeah, you literally run the whole spectrum of

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Speaker 2: hip hop and and uh in history and one in

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Speaker 2: ten questions, one fell swoop. I wish it was that

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Speaker 2: for for me, this this has taken a long time.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you remember your the pilot episode Bill, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that you came to and you just casually flick you know,

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Speaker 2: we get them, no problem, And it's like four and

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Speaker 2: a half years later.

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Speaker 4: Wow, it's got a busier schedule than me. It's you

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Speaker 4: and getting those to line up is like the death

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Speaker 4: star window of just like, okay, these forty five minutes,

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Speaker 4: here we go.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I know, I trust me. I know I do

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Speaker 1: not take for granted.

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Speaker 4: I remember asking you had a.

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Speaker 1: Spare hour to even talk to us.

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Speaker 5: I wait, a minute. But it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I remember you had agreed to dj I think our

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Speaker 4: opening night party, and I saw you a few days

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Speaker 4: before and I said, hey, thanks again for doing that,

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Speaker 4: and you were.

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Speaker 5: Like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's up right, and I said, you're djaying the

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Speaker 4: opening night party and he went forget me show you

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Speaker 4: something about my life, and you showed me your schedule

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Speaker 4: and you like literally opened your phone and it was

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Speaker 4: more colors than the rainbow in terms of like hour

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Speaker 4: how can one person, be one human do this much?

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Speaker 4: And it was like a glimpse of it was a

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Speaker 4: to be busy.

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Speaker 2: That you show for Grace Harry who insists if we

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Speaker 2: have a future, you're going to drop ten jobs.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Grace.

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Speaker 1: The low down.

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Speaker 2: Wait, speaking of which, uh Lynn and Bill, do you

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Speaker 2: know do you truly know that my involvement with this

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Speaker 2: was an accident To show you how aloof I am

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Speaker 2: about my schedule.

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Speaker 1: You're involved with what Camill tell?

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Speaker 2: Do you know how aloof and how like mister McGoo

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Speaker 2: accidental tourist.

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Speaker 1: It was all right, let me let me walk you

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Speaker 1: through it real quick.

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Speaker 4: You you meant to go see a show at Joe's

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Speaker 4: Pub and you wandered into our show. Is that what

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Speaker 4: you're telling me?

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Speaker 1: Basically? Yes, No, I'm serious. John.

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Speaker 2: When John Ridley had won for twelve Years of Slave,

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Speaker 2: you know John Ridley and uh have wrote twelve Years

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Speaker 2: of Slave and what's his name famously directed it.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Queen quin Queen.

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Speaker 2: Right, So when Ridley had written Twelve Years of Slave,

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Speaker 2: in about maybe six months after he won his oscar,

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Speaker 2: he had a meeting with us about working on a project.

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Speaker 2: So in trumeir fashion, arriving and Steve can attest to this,

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Speaker 2: I came like to the meeting six minutes late, okay,

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Speaker 2: really sixteen minutes late. And what I didn't realize was

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Speaker 2: that he was giving us homework to do. And part

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Speaker 2: of that homework was look research these plays that I

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Speaker 2: think that are cutting edge and you know, like going

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Speaker 2: he wanted us to see and homework number one was

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Speaker 2: seeing an unknown Hamilton at the public So me not me,

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Speaker 2: not putting two two together. I didn't realize because when

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Speaker 2: you started talking to me backstage, you had already gone

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Speaker 2: into pitch mode about joining being down, and in my head,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I talked to John earlier.

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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm down.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that at that point, I talked myself

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Speaker 2: into a second production and it became a who's on

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Speaker 2: first situation for about two weeks with the Roots organization,

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Speaker 2: until Sean and Tarik were like, Noahmir, what we're doing

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Speaker 2: with John Ridley is something different. Hamilton's a whole nother animal.

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Speaker 4: I've never met John Riddle in my life.

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Speaker 2: Now I know so, but literally the whole time backstage,

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Speaker 2: I was just like saying yes to everything and not

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Speaker 2: just literally having zero clue that you guys weren't associated

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Speaker 2: with Ridley. I thought Ridley was just ending us there

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Speaker 2: as a part of this project he was with and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't until later to.

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Speaker 4: Finalize I obviously knew nothing about that since I've never

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Speaker 4: met that man.

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Speaker 5: Sorry to this man, but sorry man to this man.

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Speaker 1: The but I.

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Speaker 4: For me, you coming to the show was like waiting

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Speaker 4: for Guffman. It was like, I love is finally coming

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Speaker 4: to the show Man. You were so been manifesting the

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Speaker 4: roots coming to our show while I was writing the show.

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Speaker 1: One was about the roots.

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Speaker 1: That was always like the biggest thing, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The way you were talking was.

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Speaker 2: So like like coument, No, it was. It was just

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Speaker 2: so exciting and in my head, I'm like, you guys

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Speaker 2: had me at a little like I already knew, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you people already talked to me at nine a m.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday morning like I'm I'm a board, Like I didn't realize.

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Speaker 4: That's also why it's like Guffman, because you know in

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Speaker 4: the movie that guy's not Guffman who shows up and

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Speaker 4: they're like because we're like Quest loves in, but he

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Speaker 4: thinks he has said yes to a totally different thing

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Speaker 4: that I know nothing about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I just musical theater, lib I Quest loves

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Speaker 1: yes to everything. What do you.

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: What are you what's your what's your daily routine? Are

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Speaker 2: you still able to stay creative despite what we're in

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Speaker 2: or are you also having just stop moment?

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Speaker 4: And I had a I had like a solid month

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Speaker 4: do any I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 5: I was about to start directing my first movie.

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Speaker 4: We'd shot eight days of footage when Netflix, I'm directing

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Speaker 5: And they shut us down, which was.

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Speaker 4: Both a bummer and a huge relief because we were

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Speaker 4: already social distancing on set. We were already asking ourselves

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Speaker 4: each other? And so when Netflix said we're shoving me

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Speaker 1: So when did they shut out down? How far are

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Speaker 4: March March eighth, and I we were doing a night shoot,

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Speaker 4: so they shut us down at They told us this

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Speaker 5: So for a while, it was just me and the producers.

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Speaker 4: And like our happy crew and actors with jobs and

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Speaker 4: like at that moment, like you know where you can't

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Speaker 4: was just the new what's the new normal? Like what's

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Speaker 4: the procedure to leave the house? What is school? We'd

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Speaker 4: already stopped sending my kid to school, just on our

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Speaker 4: own gut shit like of just like.

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Speaker 7: Like the same thing too, I stopped sending to my kid.

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Speaker 7: I think like a couple of days before they finally

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Speaker 7: called it.

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Speaker 1: It was like even a little like a week or

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Speaker 4: It was it was a week for me too, And

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Speaker 4: so you know it that first month was just what

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Speaker 4: do we do?

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Speaker 5: I'm so grateful my wife was so ahead of it.

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Speaker 4: My wife was a scientist, so like in January, she

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Speaker 4: was like, this is coming here and we have to

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Speaker 5: And it was like, wow, I'm in pre production on

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Speaker 4: Like I agree with you, but I also can't stop

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Speaker 5: It's not my money.

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Speaker 1: In your mind?

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Speaker 2: Did you think that this is just going to be

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Speaker 1: That we don't know? Yes, it is really the.

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Speaker 4: I knew that's how I end up here, and I'm

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Speaker 5: Do we want to tell that story?

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Speaker 1: Name names?

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Speaker 6: We want to bode not mine. It's your episode, Bill,

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Speaker 4: My college girlfriend produced a musical at the school Theater

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So wait, awkward, Bill, you paid a saxophone. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: Bill was player. And Bill had an African high life

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Speaker 1: An African highlight band. So you white fail, o, Bill,

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Speaker 6: So like I majored in West African music, do you

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Speaker 2: But something like you know, like you just took a

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Speaker 1: Oh you guys.

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Speaker 1: New Name. Oh my god, oh man.

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Speaker 4: If I had known we were going to go this deep,

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Speaker 3: I really would like to hear some of your West

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Speaker 6: Bill Professor was a dope band. It was like fifteen

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Speaker 3: We couldn't find no black people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a lot of weed, my boy.

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Speaker 4: The movie PCU was based on wesley and the writers

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Speaker 6: I was part of the White Boys Stoner World music group.

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Speaker 4: Is I mean one of the lessons of that I

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Speaker 3: How did you appeal to him Land? How did you even? Oh?

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Speaker 4: I fly, I fly it everywhere and I was in

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Speaker 5: On, we're going.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the highest thing at the time girlfriend started.

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Speaker 6: Lynn's girlfriend started in the Heights and she was Filipino

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Speaker 4: I didn't succeed in finding latinos. I cast the net

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Speaker 5: And at Wesleyan Filipino is close enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll never see it. You'll never see it.

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Speaker 4: You went so fast, Bill, you sped past. First of all,

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Speaker 3: How much does that learn?

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Speaker 4: Fourteen dollars an hour that's paid.

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Speaker 1: You never told me that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was like, it's not photography, it's just

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Speaker 5: I can live with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, until for like all kinds of cash, you can.

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Speaker 4: The way it worked, you start with quick poses, right

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Speaker 3: That's at least ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh naked Lee Manuel, that's the new room brand

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Speaker 4: It was one guys, they can't be that good.

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Speaker 5: It was intro to drawing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, boy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, so Bill killed being music director, and then

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Speaker 4: I was like, you're working with me, You're coming with

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Speaker 5: He was just like, oh good.

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Speaker 6: And then there was Lin's been doing the same impression

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Speaker 4: Here's here's here's my line on Bill, because he says

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Speaker 4: it at every juncture in our career is from college onward.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it was gonna be a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It was a big deal.

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Speaker 6: He makes me an idiot, my boss, Now that's you.

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Speaker 3: Why do you always have to tell everybody what I do?

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Speaker 3: My whole resume every show?

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Speaker 1: I just want to know why. Yeah, fuck because.

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Speaker 3: You're fucking amazing whatever.

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Speaker 8: Okay, anyway, so they you guys, did they know how

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Speaker 8: great you guys were At the time, it was the

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Speaker 8: whole theater department like, oh, this is going to be

449
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 8: our this is going to be a hit, and people

450
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 8: are going to always come back to Lesley Bill.

451
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Speaker 2: There has to be that professor that was like scoffing

452
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: at this, and now you you came back like giving

453
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Speaker 2: a master class ten years later, like.

454
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Speaker 1: There has to be The.

455
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Speaker 4: Issue actually was that In the Heights was I kind

456
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 4: of peaked sophomore year because he was really good. It

457
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 4: was a huge hit. We sold cast albums of a

458
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 4: college show mainly because I couldn't get any This is

459
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: so dated, but like the weekend I had the theater

460
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 4: was the weekend of the Wesleyan Millennium Concert, So all

461
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 4: the good musicians were playing the Wesleyan Millennium Concert. So

462
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: I couldn't get any the musicians I wanted to play

463
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: the weekend you played the Millennium Concert. I took my

464
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: sound budget and I created karaoke tracks. So even in

465
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: the first performance of In the Heights they're singing to

466
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 4: playback that I did at like a studio in Middletown,

467
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 4: and so and then I paid the money back by

468
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: selling albums and.

469
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Speaker 2: So we were copy of the original, never oone saying yes.

470
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Speaker 1: No anyway my so uh wow, you haven't Organics under

471
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Speaker 1: your belt. That's amazing.

472
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: Organics Records the first roots album. That's not a roots album,

473
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: but it's a roots album.

474
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Speaker 1: Okay.

475
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Speaker 6: Who played our senior concert at Wesleyan anyone?

476
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Speaker 1: The roots? Y'all playing saved ten feet before we even

477
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: knew each other, many many years ago, even there while

478
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: you guys were there yep, with Ben on the base Wow,

479
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: during phrenology period, look at God only.

480
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Speaker 2: The only reason why I remember the santi era was

481
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 2: only because the infamous by Mob Deep came out.

482
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: The day that we had to play their.

483
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Speaker 2: Their spring Fleeing and in ninety five, and we were

484
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Speaker 2: So that's the only time I remember.

485
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Speaker 1: That. And the and the sopran knows uh.

486
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: Uh the Sopranos ending season series ending? Do I remember

487
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: abbreviating the show the Roots show so we could rush

488
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: off stage to do something else.

489
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Speaker 8: What's funny is the Roots played at all our college shows.

490
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 8: Like I'm sure he's a fante.

491
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I was at my I saw him at

492
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: un CG.

493
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Speaker 7: They never came to They never came to Central Butt

494
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 7: un CG.

495
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: And they came to Duke.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys have biz Marquis as the DJ beforehand.

497
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Speaker 3: Perfect college.

498
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: It was awesome.

499
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Speaker 6: It all the white kids were friends six times, six

500
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 6: times without even giving a ship without like there was

501
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: no nothing.

502
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: He was just like, fuck it, So were you doing

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: any were you putting together? Now?

504
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: I know there's a difference between participating in productions and

505
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: putting it together. What what gave you the the spark

506
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: or the coumpsion or the nerve to even say I

507
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: have to put this together myself? Like why does one

508
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: to do that at a college? Like I want to

509
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: put something together.

510
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: It's funny because I went.

511
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: I chose Wesleyan because it's one of the few places

512
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: that lets you double major in theater and film, and

513
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: I really loved film and I really love theater. And

514
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: then like like I just got really practical once I

515
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: got there. If you're a film major, this was pre digital,

516
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: so you're paying for film. To make your senior film,

517
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: you have to pay for it yourself, and the best

518
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: you can do is get your short into a festival

519
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: or maybe get an agent. If the head of the

520
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: department likes you more than the other kids and like

521
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: kind of pushes you. If you make theater, it's three

522
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: hundred bucks for a show and the school pays for it.

523
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: So I just remember thinking, like, I'm going to make

524
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: as much theater as I can in these four years.

525
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: Because I knew my parents were killing themselves to pay

526
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: for school. My dad like literally quit his non for

527
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: profit job and went to like a higher pay because

528
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: I was going to college.

529
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: Like I was very aware of that burden.

530
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: What was like to do what My.

531
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: Mom's psychologist and my dad was the head of a

532
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: nonprofit called Hispanic Federation that's sort of this umbrella organization

533
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: for Latino organizations, and he went into political consulting the

534
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: year I went to school because he was like, I have.

535
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: To go to make this breed money.

536
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: And so, I mean, it's not an accident that one

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: of the major plot lines of In the Heights is

538
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: like parents killing themselves to pay for Nina's school and

539
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: her kind of accepting that sacrifice and instead of being

540
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: like I don't want this life, it's it's like, you know,

541
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to make the most of it. I'm going

542
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: to make the most of what you guys have done

543
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: that I could be here. And so I just was like,

544
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: if I leave Wesley with just a degree in theater studies, like,

545
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what that's going to be. So I

546
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: just like tried to treat it like a four year workshop.

547
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: Like I wrote a musical every year and I would

548
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: put it up and I acted in other people's stuff too,

549
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: And I you know, the cool thing about theater majoring

550
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: is that you you learn you hang lights for other

551
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: people shows. I did set design for other people's shows.

552
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: I did sound as like, you learn all these other

553
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: different skills, which helps you in the world because you

554
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: kind of know what everyone else does in their respective departments.

555
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Speaker 1: Hustle you.

556
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Speaker 6: Because I will say this as stoner hippie music guy,

557
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: I got laid X amount of times as music director

558
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 6: in Lynn shows. I got laid x times a thousand

559
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 6: more times than being stoner hippie drum circle guy.

560
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: That's what was the time for me to have the

561
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: damn sound effects of machines.

562
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I wish a mere hit it know that you can't

563
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: do it on stud.

564
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, I do want to know I mean, you know,

565
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: no one, no one can plan lightning in a battle,

566
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: or plan a phenomenon or any of those things. But

567
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: I have to say that if anyone has been privy

568
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: to many a meeting or a summit meeting for these

569
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: pitches in which they promise you the world, I've been

570
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: that guy, meaning since nineteen ninety nine, since two thousand,

571
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: I've heard many a pitch about. You know, there was

572
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: a point where they were going to try to bring

573
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Wild Style the Broadway.

574
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: And they described how we're going to change the world.

575
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: And I was part of the meeting when they first

576
00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: started at you know the famous Tupaca too. Yeah yeah,

577
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: play that that you know got deaded in three weeks.

578
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: Everything there was even a play based on I probably

579
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: the furthest. I got involved with hip hop and Broadway.

580
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: If you remember the the Nike commercials where they were

581
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: like bouncing the ball and rhythm.

582
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

583
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: I wanted they signed ll up. They wanted to do

584
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: something about like street ball, like on the Rucker.

585
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: That sort of thing. We got.

586
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: I'll say that we got about three months into it,

587
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: three months into workshops. Here here's the music lineup, Bootsy Collins,

588
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: Nonah Hendricks Quest Love, Bootsy Collins, Nona Hendricks Questlove, and

589
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: I think Mums so that you know, they they were like,

590
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: He's just gonna be poetry and basketball and Llo cool

591
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Jay and and you know the thing is is that

592
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: Broadways so addicted to this, like to this ten pan

593
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: alley jazz fingers like this, this this Gershwind thing.

594
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: They can't let go. And it's like you, I mean,

595
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: out out of And there's there's four or five other.

596
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: Plays that I've seen or been involved with, pitches in

597
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: which they go over the top and describing it. I mean,

598
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: in your mind, are you thinking, Okay, I'm finally gonna

599
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: rid Broadway of its of its disease of being stuck

600
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties and just updated, Like, are you

601
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: thinking this at all when you're when you're putting these

602
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: productions together? Is it just like, Hey, it's Thursday, and

603
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: I have a clever idea I want to get down.

604
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a combo of both.

605
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: And it's actually it brings us back to tiktick Boom

606
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: because I think that I have parents who grew up

607
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: with I grew up with cast albums. My parents were

608
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 4: like that generation who just collected didn't even see the shows,

609
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: but collected.

610
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 5: The cast albums, and so I grew up with those

611
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 5: and loving those.

612
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: But again, I think like for a lot of people,

613
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: it just felt like something old white people did and

614
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: old white people saw.

615
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: And I enjoyed it, but it didn't seem.

616
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: Like a place in it.

617
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a walled garden. And then I

618
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: saw Rent, and that really changed it for me because one,

619
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: it took place in the present, and that sounds so normal,

620
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: but I hadn't seen any musicals. It took place in

621
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: the present by the time I'm a teenager. Even a

622
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: chorus line is a period piece.

623
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Speaker 1: And okay, I hate to be that guy. What year

624
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: did you see Rent?

625
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: I saw first year on my seventies. You saw it

626
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: in ninety six the last row of the Neederlander Theater.

627
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: Mezzani me too, So you saw it in ninety six.

628
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: I saw it in ninety seven because I saw it

629
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 5: for my seventeenth birthday.

630
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I didn't know if it was ninety six

631
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: ninety seven. And for you that was life changing, because

632
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: the thing was when I saw Rent in two thousand

633
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: and four, two thousand and.

634
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Five, Yeah, I was kind of like it's a different thing.

635
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

636
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: Maybe no, you're you're right, because I remember seeing Rant

637
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, and

638
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 4: it was it felt like a copy of a copy

639
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: of a copy by then, Like I remember seeing it.

640
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: We had a friend who was a swing in it,

641
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: and so I got to go around the era you

642
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: saw it. I remember seeing one of the actresses like

643
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: straight up falling asleep during lave v Bom and it's

644
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: like that show doesn't work if like everybody doesn't believe

645
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: in it in every iota of their being. And you

646
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: saw like that twentieth cast, and but I remember.

647
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: That really shows the power of you, because Hamilton is

648
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: able to resonate powerfully with or without the nucleus cast.

649
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I.

650
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: Also think we also as a production team are so

651
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: much more involved than other production teams at this stage

652
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: in the musical's life, Like still weekly zooms with our

653
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: cast member like we're Tommy checks in, our director checks

654
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: in like more than anybody.

655
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 5: But but for me, Rent in ninety seven.

656
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: Was a contemporary show and it's not like, oh my gosh,

657
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: that sounds like it could be on the radio. It

658
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: still sounded very rock on Broadway, but to me it

659
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: ended the conversation about rock on Broadway. It was sort

660
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: of like Jonathan Larson was like, rock music and pop

661
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: music and Broadway should reflect each other. They just should

662
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: be friends. That's why we liked to gershawin he on

663
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: the radio, and then you would go see the song

664
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: you heard on the radio in the shows that night.

665
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: And there's no reason popular music and theater music shouldn't

666
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: be in conversation with each other all the time. And

667
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: that was I mean, if anything, that's the thesis of

668
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: Rent and the Score, and so I just extrapolated that

669
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: to hip hop. I was just like, I don't understand

670
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: why every time I see hip hop reference in a

671
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: Broadway musical, it's like in quotes, it's like, isn't it

672
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: crazy that characters are rapping? I was like, hip hop

673
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: is thirty years old, it's so way past a joke

674
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 4: at this point. That and it's some of the best

675
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: storytelling in music. So why aren't you all in conversation

676
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: with each other? So even in the musicals I wrote

677
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: in high school, I was always putting hip hop in them.

678
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: In the Heights had a ton of hip hop in it.

679
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: It was just I just felt like it was a

680
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 4: more exciting way to tell a story through music than

681
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 4: what I was seeing.

682
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 7: I think with hip hop too, but with Ryman, like

683
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 7: you can get more content in Like you know what

684
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 7: I'm saying. If you give a singer sixteen bars and

685
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 7: you give a rapper sixteen bars, I'm saying, I'm gonna

686
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 7: say a whole lot more, you know what I'm saying,

687
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 7: because it's just more content.

688
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 8: There's something to say too about the audience that hip

689
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 8: hop attracts and what that would bring to Broadway in

690
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 8: the theater and what they were afraid of, right, yeah, No.

691
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: I mean it's so funny when I see when I

692
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: would see Dave do the first round of interviews on

693
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: Hamilton and like people be like, you're rappid so fast,

694
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: and He's like, oh no, I'm not being fast for Broadway,

695
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: right right right. The laugh I think is it's slower

696
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: than anything tech nine's ever said in his life.

697
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: Right, technolog the same thing, Yeah.

698
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 4: Exactly, all tho the Worldlife Shoppers. But like you know,

699
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: it is in a way Hamilton's so passed to do.

700
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 4: But the reason Hamilton works is because it is the

701
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: story of a writer, and I don't think people think

702
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: of hip hop artists as writers. And that was that

703
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: was the only that was the insight I brought to it,

704
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: was like, this is a guy who wrote himself into

705
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: every situation. And that's what our favorite mcs do. They

706
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: write about their reality so well that they transcend them

707
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: that when you go across the world with your African

708
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: High Life band Bill, you will meet people on the

709
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: other side of the world who can wrap every lyric

710
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: of Ready to Die or the eight Mile soundtrack or

711
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: things Fall Apart, like it transcends because of its specificity.

712
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 4: And that's you know, when I was reading that book,

713
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: that's to me what Hamilton did. And so I was like,

714
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: this is a hip hop is the only way to

715
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: do this story?

716
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: And how long did you spend writing Hamilton? How long

717
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: the process was.

718
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: That I started in two thousand and eight and we

719
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: opened on Broadway in twenty fifteen. Shit, yeah, it was

720
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: like because it was also like I kind of felt

721
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: like a snake staring down an elephant, like for me

722
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: to digest this history and then be able to like

723
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: spit it back out in a way that it like

724
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: told the story, you know, because I had to just

725
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: do a ton of research full stop, and then you know,

726
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: attack every moment and decide. You know, it's just a

727
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: million decisions. And I had to read a lot of

728
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: boring papers by people who are smarter than me, right,

729
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: and have it make sense to me in a way

730
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: that then I could write it and embody it and

731
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: tell those stories and make it.

732
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: Make it make sense to the audience.

733
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes it makes sense to myself.

734
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: The other thing in the Secret Sauce is like a

735
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 4: lot of the energy in Hamilton is like, can you

736
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: believe this should happen? Can you believe this should happened?

737
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: Because I'm experiencing that as I'm reading this story, like

738
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: and then he's vice president and then he shoots it

739
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: like it's fucking crazy.

740
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 5: And it's a soap opera. But yeah, it took a

741
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: long time for me to digest it.

742
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact

743
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: that when you go on vacation, you take like right now,

744
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Obama is about to turn in a two volume book,

745
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: and volume one, I believe, is seven hundred and ninety pages,

746
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: so already a book the size of Hamilton that you

747
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 2: read when you went on vacation. You finished that book

748
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: on vacation. You couldn't, don't.

749
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that I finished it on vacation. But

750
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: this was pre kindled. This is before you could put

751
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 4: fifty books.

752
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: In your backund Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

753
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: You don't want to pack twenty books. I'm just gonna

754
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: pack one big book and that'll be my vacation book.

755
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: It was just like, who takes a seven hundred page

756
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: book on vacation?

757
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: I just knew the guy died in a duel at

758
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: the end.

759
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: That was it made that to what made it interesting?

760
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: And like I learned that in school and I was

761
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: just like.

762
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: This would be interesting.

763
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was my quine.

764
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 7: That was my next question. I was like, why Hamilton

765
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 7: and not Lincoln or Jefferson or whoever?

766
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Right? Like why or Icebergs? What made you speak?

767
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: I think, honestly, it's because there was so much I

768
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: didn't know by the time I started writ Like what

769
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: got the book off the shelf and into my hands

770
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 4: was I knew this guy got shot by the vice president,

771
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 4: like and I think around the time Dick Cheney had

772
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: just shot a dude like an accidental hunting money in

773
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: the face and his face the face, and so that

774
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: was enough to just like pique my curiosity because that's

775
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: really all I knew other than he was on the ten.

776
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: And then when I opened the book and realized he

777
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 4: was born and grew up in the Caribbean, that was

778
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: interesting to me.

779
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 5: I didn't know any of the white dudes on money were.

780
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: Not born here. And then when he got the scholarship,

781
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: this hurricane destroys the island, he writes about it, and

782
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: they collect money for a scholarship to send him to

783
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: not the States. It wasn't the States yet the fucking mainland.

784
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: You know.

785
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: That's when I was like, well, this guy, that's what

786
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: my dad did. Like my dad grew up in Puerto

787
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 4: Rico and got a scholarship to come to New York

788
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: at the same age. Because my dad is way smarter

789
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: than me, he had graduated college by the time he

790
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: was eighteen.

791
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 5: He skipped all the grades.

792
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: He was like Puerto Rican doogie. And so it that

793
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: temperament of like how he was like I gotta get

794
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: the fuck out of here. I gotta make a life

795
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: for myself, Like that was a very It reminded me

796
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 4: of my dad. And it also felt fundamentally like a

797
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: hip hop story, like I'm gonna get the fuck out

798
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 4: of where I am and get to a better place

799
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 4: in life. And that's the stuff of good musicals. You

800
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: want the character who has a really strong want. You

801
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: want you know, fucking Tony singing, Something's coming. You want.

802
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: Alpha Ba singing, I'm gonna meet the fucking Wizard.

803
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: You know, that's the stuff of good musicals because they've

804
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: just got this engine in them.

805
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: So can I ask you a question?

806
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 8: I'm curious in between like the heights, how does as

807
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 8: a working artist? Because you said how long it took

808
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 8: for you to get to Hamilton? Like, what are you

809
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 8: doing in the in between years?

810
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: It was Sesame Street Songs for Bill.

811
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's.

812
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: No.

813
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, hold on, we haven't completed this full start.

814
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 6: So we creduated from college. All right, So graduated from college.

815
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: We don't even get the freestyle of supreme Wait, hold.

816
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: On, we're getting in there. That's there, you go. So

817
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: then so we graduated college, and then so we both

818
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: moved home for like six months.

819
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 5: I never moved home.

820
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: I went to apartment.

821
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he we we if I moved home, stay apartment.

822
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 6: So Lynn rents this apartment with two other people. It's

823
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 6: five thousand Broadway and so two on a twelve street,

824
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: which is like twenty blocks now, like ten blocks from

825
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: Lynn's parents.

826
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: Who live on b Boo boo boo boop treat.

827
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, get that address too. I forgot you're like

828
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: an important person. Stop looking at me like that.

829
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: So so so.

830
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 6: Uh okay, So I move into this apartment. So if

831
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 6: it rains outside, it rains inside. We made we make

832
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 6: pizza bagels, like solely because we.

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: Don't have any money.

834
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 5: We skate.

835
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: Beans get we skateboard in the house. There's like a

836
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: mattress like if you fall on the skateboard, you take

837
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: a nap on the mattress.

838
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 6: Like it's gross. It's gross, and you bring people there

839
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 6: and they're like, this is fucking gross. Anyway, we lived

840
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 6: there for like four years, and.

841
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: I was just a substitute tea shirt right, and I worked.

842
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 6: At MTV because my dad got me a job working

843
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 6: in the IT department at MTV. So I was like

844
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: answering emails sent into MTV. This is all true. And

845
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 6: during during my lunch breaks, Lynn and I would meet

846
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 6: at the drama bookshop, which was then on fortieth Street

847
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 6: between Something and Something, and we would go down in

848
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 6: this basement and we would work on in the heights.

849
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 6: So he would bring a song, we would do a thing.

850
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah blah.

851
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: We're talking and I'm more like that crew.

852
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: Right, And this went on for years and then and

853
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: then finally, after you know, charming enough people and doing

854
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: enough work, we went up off Broadway on thirty seven

855
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 6: Arts on thirty seventh Street and that was like an amazing,

856
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 6: humongous moment. Meanwhile, we're both He's still subbing. I'm still

857
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 6: working this totally dead end job. At one point, I

858
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 6: think I was like being paid to transcribe things for

859
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 6: people like us request live Yeahdale to.

860
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: The translator for Carson Davis. I mean, yeah, car uh

861
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: what we other? We had other weird jobs. Lynn what else?

862
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: Oh?

863
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Lynn wrote music for his dad's like camp ads.

864
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, just like I mean, that's the easiest gig of

865
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: just like sad Chord. This politician wants to kick puppy.

866
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 8: That's crazy because as your career is blowing up, so

867
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 8: is your dad's. Like he's going in a whole different Okay,

868
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 8: So go ahead, Bill.

869
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 6: So every Sunday we would go to lynn parents house

870
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 6: and watch the Soprano It was live, like we would

871
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 6: get off the.

872
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 5: Stage and they had cable and we didn't, right, and.

873
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: We had no food.

874
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 6: So it's like the only real real we ate was

875
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 6: every Sunday at Lynd's parents house with like Lynn's grandmother,

876
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 6: his cousin like his parents.

877
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: It was awesome and we went every Sunday, and we

878
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: want to watch the Sopranos every week. Yeah.

879
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 6: In fact, we saw the Last School okay uh, and

880
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: then in the Heights went went up off Broadway two

881
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: thousand and eight.

882
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: We were like, holy shit.

883
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: My first acting job, my first TV job was on

884
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: the last season of The Sopranos. I got on.

885
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: I was a bell hop, Oh, bell hop, mister Herman,

886
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: paging mister Herman.

887
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: Literally my line is I don't know, I don't know,

888
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 5: and I'm so great.

889
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: You can see me.

890
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 5: Look down from my mark where to stop in the

891
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: episode you're seeing me.

892
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: Go, wait, do you know the name of the episode.

893
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, My Apple TV is right in front of

894
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: me right now.

895
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 8: Miss It's called remember when I mere you missed the

896
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 8: re enacted damn.

897
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: Then was about to do yes, I don't know, I

898
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 4: don't know.

899
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: And then uh goes fucking guy.

900
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: But you got to share screen time with the great Gandolphine.

901
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: Paully was in that scene too, right, Paul.

902
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: Was the scene?

903
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 8: Okay, that was okay, PAULI is pussy, No pussy is different. Okay,

904
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 8: I gotta go back.

905
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: Damn, you're in the last Wow, that's amazing when you

906
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: went to Vegas.

907
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: Right, stopped talking. I'm sorry watching the Sopranos.

908
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: This is what happens on Quest of Supreme. I'm still listening.

909
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

910
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 6: So during this time getting towards off Broadway, Uh, I

911
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 6: moved out of that house and moved in with my girlfriend,

912
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 6: who then became my wife.

913
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Don't go and and then and then wait where are

914
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: they coming from? The right on time? You're welcome.

915
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 6: Were we were rehearsing that before we did this, And

916
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 6: then what happened Lynn Lynn started dating his now wife.

917
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 6: We had children anyway, and so then in the Heights

918
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 6: happens and we have careers, poof careers.

919
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: How long was that in the Heights? How long was

920
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: writing at that process?

921
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: It was from I mean basically from the moment I

922
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: met Tommy Cale, when I graduated in two thousand and

923
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 4: two to opening night, like January of two thousand and eight,

924
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: it was.

925
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 5: My twenty like basically in the Heights was my twenties thirty.

926
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: So like lots of other gigs and and sort of

927
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: amazing things in between, but those are the broad strokes.

928
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, So with theater, I'm curious to know how long

929
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 7: do you have I guess to edit something before it

930
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 7: goes up?

931
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: You know how if you've it happens long.

932
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: You know, in terms of every show is different. For

933
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 4: for Heights, we gave ourselves a solid four weeks so

934
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Speaker 4: that we can make changes because the audience is the

935
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: last collaborator and and they'll they'll tell you what's working,

936
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: what's not, and what needs finessing.

937
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: And it may not even be the writing of it.

938
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 4: It may be that that number is not ending with

939
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: the right light, or this dance sequence isn't landing the

940
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: way we want it to land. So pre that's what

941
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: previews is for, is to get the audience in and yeah,

942
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: and and I mean Hamilton was interesting because we did

943
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: the first performance at the Public and it ran at

944
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 4: three hours and ten minutes. Yeah, about three hours and

945
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 4: ten minutes and it was sort of like, well, shit,

946
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Speaker 4: I like lame Is, but I don't want to be

947
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: longer than Lamys. And so first and Tommy was so,

948
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: you know, Tommy is is smart full stop, but he's

949
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 4: also politically really smart, because sometimes people get salty when

950
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: their stuff is cut, like you can do cuts the

951
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: wrong way, in a way that the cast doesn't feel

952
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 4: in on it. And he said, the first thing we

953
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 4: need to do is cut any song addressing any character

954
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: that is not on stage. And I had a hot

955
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: sixteen bars about John Adams, who was never played by anyone.

956
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: It was like an off stage address. And that was

957
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: the first thing we cut. And it was great because

958
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 4: it also sent a message to the rest of the cast,

959
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 4: like we just cut the composer's best sixteen.

960
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: So this is not as it's not a.

961
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 5: Value, it's a what's best for the show.

962
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: It's not about whether you're doing it well or not,

963
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: like this is about honing the material. So we cut

964
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: all my Ship first and brought like brought down ten

965
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: minutes and then and then you know, we got it

966
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: down to about we got it down to like two

967
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 4: fifty at the public and then we use the jump

968
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: to Broadway to cut another fifteen.

969
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Minutes, so before it goes to Broadway.

970
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 7: You have the previews that are foreign audience, where that's

971
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 7: almost kind of like, I don't say a focus group,

972
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 7: but that's what you like said, it's.

973
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: A nightly focused group, and it's and again it's also

974
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 4: it's not even about like they laughed at this. They

975
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 4: didn't laugh at this, because sometimes you get the wrong laugh,

976
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 4: Like we had a line in History Has Its Eyes

977
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 4: on You where Chris Jackson was getting a laugh at

978
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: the top of the song because I can't remember what

979
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 4: it was, but he basically Nane checks the French and

980
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 4: Indian War, and the nerds in the audience were like, aha,

981
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: I know about that, and it was like, no, no,

982
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: we don't want to laugh here, like that may be true,

983
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: but it's a laugh when we don't need it.

984
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 5: Similar with the ll quote we had.

985
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: We used to have an I need love quote in

986
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: the show, and that's the affair, right That song used

987
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: to start when I'm alone in my room sometimes and

988
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 4: you took it out all yeah, I took it out

989
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: because the audience was laughing at the reference and they

990
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: weren't listening to what was happening to what was saying,

991
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: you know, like it was a free reference and even

992
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: Ll reached out was like, you be clear, I'm cool

993
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: with it, and that was amazing. She like literally like

994
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: tweeted at me like let's talk about it.

995
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 5: But it was just a laugh at the wrong moment.

996
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 11: So we cut it.

997
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw in the Heights. I still I've still

998
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 7: yet to watch themton I saw in the Heights. A

999
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 7: local the original theater group did it here in probably

1000
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 7: North Carolina, and a good friend of mine, Carly Jones,

1001
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 7: she played Camilla and we saw it and it was

1002
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 7: a great show man. I hit Bill afterwards, I send

1003
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 7: in the program. I was like, Yo, this was this

1004
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 7: is really dope because I'm not a theater.

1005
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Guy, you know at all.

1006
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 7: You know, I hadn't really you know. That's why I

1007
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 7: just hearing all these stories. I'm just curious to know,

1008
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 7: like how they're worked out and how they're fleshed out.

1009
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 7: And you know when you say you started something, oh too,

1010
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 7: and y'all were working up until oh eight, It's like, damn.

1011
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you would shine in theater.

1012
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, indeed, absolutely, but in fund that you should

1013
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 6: be Inhilton in the new in.

1014
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean any new version of it, not again, like

1015
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: I feel like there's not jazz hands thirty.

1016
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, like input too, though not just the performing well

1017
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 11: again like that, I have to say, like after Heights

1018
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 11: Close we ran from two thousand and eight through the

1019
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 11: end of twenty ten, there was a part of me

1020
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 11: that was a little frustrated that.

1021
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: Hip hop land was over here and musical theater was

1022
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 4: over here, and there was so little ven diagram, Like

1023
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: I could not get the hip hop artists I admired

1024
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: too into the Rogers. I could not get awareness of

1025
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 4: the show in the hip hop community. It did well

1026
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: in the Latin community, and it brought Latin audiences to

1027
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 4: Broadway in a big way while it was there, but

1028
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 4: it was just like no one was even checking for it.

1029
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: I felt like I was jumping up and waving my

1030
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 4: arms and and it hadn't happened in a real way.

1031
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 4: Like I remember Run DMC came to the show, like

1032
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 4: a couple of like like legends came and they were

1033
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 4: it was really like huge for me. But with with Hamilton,

1034
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: I just I remember wanting so I was just like,

1035
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 4: this thing is such a fucking love letter to hip

1036
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: hop like it would be a shame.

1037
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 5: And I know it's sailing over the heads of the strictly.

1038
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 4: Musical theater fans. We're not getting the ten Crack Commandments

1039
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: reference or the mob Deep reference or the you know,

1040
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 4: brand Nubian reference because.

1041
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 5: It's all the nineties hip hop shit. I like, I

1042
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 5: crammed into the show.

1043
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 3: And so do you think point was an issue?

1044
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 8: Because maybe not not for those those famous people, but

1045
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 8: for their audience or for the people who surround them

1046
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 8: that they couldn't have a conversation with.

1047
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's always an issue. It's

1048
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: one of the biggest issues facing theater.

1049
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a lot.

1050
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 8: I definitely wanted to see and I still have yet.

1051
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 8: I gotta now, I gotta get Disney Plus.

1052
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Or Disney Plus password.

1053
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I'm working on that.

1054
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 4: Device's friends. I got to so I was I was

1055
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 4: really gratified when Hamilton was received the way it was

1056
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 4: because the folks that I knew would enjoy it were

1057
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 4: able to see it.

1058
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: Have you seen it?

1059
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 7: Have you seen it now since it's on Disney Plus

1060
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 7: and it's becoming more accessible, do you have you seen

1061
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 7: or do you foresee an influx of it being used

1062
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 7: as a tool and teaching like in school and stuff

1063
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 7: like that.

1064
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: Well, that was one of the first things that we

1065
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 4: realized coming out of it, Like two hundred and fifty

1066
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 4: thousand students have seen Hamilton thanks to Edgeham, this educational

1067
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: program we did because we realized really quick like, oh,

1068
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: this is becoming a buzz that is bigger than we

1069
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 4: can control. And if kids can't see the show, be

1070
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 4: fucked up because this is like a semester of ap

1071
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: history in about two and a half hours. And so

1072
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: we partnered with a nonprofit called the Gilded Learnment Association

1073
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 4: that basically deals in teaching American history, and we created Edgeham,

1074
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: which is these dedicated shows that are these student matinees.

1075
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: We start with the students do a curriculum where they

1076
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: write about whoever they want in American history.

1077
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 5: And I mean you can go if you google Edgeham,

1078
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 5: you'll see the most amazing shit.

1079
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 4: Like Phyllis Wheatley poems and Sally Hemming songs. I Like,

1080
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: people really like take the assignment and like of like, oh,

1081
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: what's the history I'm not learning about, I'm going to

1082
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 4: write about that, and they perform it for us. They

1083
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: get their Broadway debut, and they perform on stage and

1084
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: the best group from each school performs and they all

1085
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: scream for each other. Then they do a Q and

1086
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 4: A with the cast, and then we perform the matinee

1087
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 4: for them, and it's the It's the biggest legacy of

1088
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 4: the show because I feel like it opens up, it

1089
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: opens up history in a way that says, this is yours.

1090
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: This is ours.

1091
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, uh now, I was just gonna ask you,

1092
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 7: you know, in regards to Hamilton. Uh, this was a

1093
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 7: couple of this is a while back. You're on Twitter

1094
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 7: and H Tracy Clayton, H Tracy Okay, playing family. I

1095
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 7: was like, we all kind of go way back. But

1096
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 7: y'all were having a discussion about about Hamilton, and you

1097
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 7: were very open, like to the criticisms of like, you know,

1098
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 7: what didn't really address kind of the horrors of slavery

1099
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 7: and him being like the slave owner like all that stuff,

1100
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 7: and you know, and I thought what you said was

1101
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 7: very fair of just like, look, I tried to get

1102
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 7: in what I could only had, you know, two and

1103
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 7: a half hours. You know, how do you decide what

1104
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 7: to cut, what to leave in, what's pertinent to the story.

1105
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 7: How do you I guess, how do you wrestle with

1106
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 7: all that and tell him the story?

1107
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 5: Every show is different. With Hamilton, the relentlessness was the thing.

1108
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: Like if it didn't, I mean, we had we cut

1109
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: characters because they were in Hamilton's life for long enough,

1110
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: you know, Like the guy who eulogized him is not

1111
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: in the show because he didn't meet him till later

1112
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 4: in his life. Ben Franklin, kind of an important guy

1113
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 4: not in the show because he didn't interact with Hamilton enough.

1114
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: And so it's interesting when when you have the success

1115
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 4: that Hamilton has had, what what happens is everyone like

1116
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: gets interested because the show has made them interested, and

1117
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 4: then they go and they do their research and they go,

1118
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this city for this senor and put

1119
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: this in. And I'm over here, like I know, I've

1120
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: been researching this thing for six years, but I wanted

1121
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: to get you know, I'm writing a musical, I'm not

1122
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 4: writing a history report. And so I'm I'm open to

1123
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 4: the criticism because I know what's on the cutting room

1124
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: floor and I know that, you know, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Like I remember in the first year people really discovered

1126
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: John Lawrence John Lawrence was the most anti slavery of

1127
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 4: that group of friends, and he also people believe, and

1128
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: there's a really strong case for it, that he and

1129
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 4: Hamilton were lovers. Like the letters they write to each

1130
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 4: other are just as passionate as some of the ones

1131
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: Hamilton wrote to Eliza. And people said, what about this,

1132
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: and I said, yeah, maybe probably. The thing is Lawrence

1133
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 4: doesn't survive the act, so I can't really go there

1134
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 4: because I'm not going to get to explore it in

1135
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 4: act too.

1136
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 5: So that's why I didn't explore that facet of him.

1137
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: Yet to lean on on others.

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Speaker 8: I'm curious because there's a lot of people who've had

1139
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 8: the experience of creating by epics or you know, things

1140
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 8: based on people's lives. Did you ever have to talk

1141
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 8: to other folks that had that similar experience that they

1142
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 8: had to cut.

1143
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: Out stuff and they were criticized because I thought about as.

1144
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 8: You were talking, I was like, yeah, I know, I

1145
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 8: rememb when people came to Spike Lee because even with

1146
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 8: that long ass movie, it wasn't enough for Malcolm X.

1147
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1148
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: I mean that's just the part of the and the

1149
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 4: and the only thing you can say is everyone's right

1150
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: but it's not all in there. And also, like criticism

1151
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 4: is not cancelation, it's criticism. And I can take criticism,

1152
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like that's I'm a

1153
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 4: big boy, and I know what's not in there. And

1154
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: what I console myself with is it sparks conversations about

1155
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 4: what's not in it and about the faults of these

1156
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: folks and and how flawed the documents are and how

1157
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: flawed these men were. The thing I take issue with

1158
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: is I don't think we'd glorify these guys for a second.

1159
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 4: I just don't think.

1160
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 5: That was not my aim.

1161
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 4: My aim was to tell as compelling a story as

1162
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 4: I have while I have you in that theater for

1163
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 4: two and a half hours, and paint them as flawed

1164
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: as a piece of musical theater can paint them. But like, yes,

1165
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 4: you're all right, that's not in it.

1166
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 5: That's not in it. That's not in it, that's not

1167
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 5: in it, like and you know, and and and this

1168
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 5: was the springboard for that discussion.

1169
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 7: Yeah do you think you know? Because seeing in the

1170
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 7: heights and just seeing yeah, just seeing like all like

1171
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 7: just you know, black and Latino faces on stage, you

1172
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 7: know what I mean? That was probably the first theater,

1173
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 7: you know, show I've been to since I was small.

1174
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 7: You know, I hadn't been in like decades. And you know,

1175
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 7: do you think that these stories and the way you're

1176
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 7: telling them, have you seen that open the door for

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01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 7: more black and Latino people to tell their stories on Broadway?

1178
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1179
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: I mean I'm always pessimistic about Broadway. I'm actually really

1180
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: optimistic about this moment because we're in the middle of

1181
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: a civil rights movement in our country and business.

1182
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 5: Is on pause. So you cannot say you don't have

1183
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 5: time to deal with this.

1184
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 4: You cannot say you don't have time to talk about

1185
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: equity and the kinds of stories you're choosing to put

1186
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 4: your money into as Broadway producers. But listen, I started

1187
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: writing in the Heights because I don't dance well enough

1188
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: to be in West Side Story and I when I

1189
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: was a senior in high school, this musical by Paul

1190
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 4: Simon called The cap Man came out and it was

1191
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 4: about Puerto Rican gang.

1192
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: Members in the nineteen fifties.

1193
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 4: And as much as I love Paul Simon, I was like,

1194
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: what the fuck, Like, this is a very overrepresented group

1195
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: on Broadway at this point. Putan gang members from the

1196
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: nineteen fifties, can we literally have a show where we

1197
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 4: don't have a fucking knife in our hands? And so

1198
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: In the Heights was born out of him, Oh shit,

1199
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 4: no one's gonna write your dream show.

1200
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 5: Because Paul Simon's one of my favorite writers.

1201
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 4: He didn't write about.

1202
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: Porto Rican like I'm not expecting Paul Simon, and.

1203
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: He loved the music and he wrote music that really

1204
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 4: fits in that world. But like I just I just

1205
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: remembered because it also had Mark Anthony, had Ruben Blades,

1206
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 4: like it had a lot of my heroes in it.

1207
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 5: Like I remember having the highest hopes.

1208
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 4: Of like, oh shit, here comes your dream show. It's

1209
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 4: the Cape man, and then it super wasn't and I

1210
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: it was like it was the wake up moment of

1211
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: like you have to create the thing that you want

1212
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 4: to for it to exist because no one's going to.

1213
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Make it interesting enough.

1214
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 6: When when In the Heights first came out, we got

1215
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 6: bad press saying that like In the Heights didn't have

1216
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 6: enough teeth, like it wasn't a real representation of Washington

1217
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 6: Heights because.

1218
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: Lis and we were like all it's about but we

1219
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: were like we lived there, We lived there. Man like

1220
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: we lived there the whole time, you know.

1221
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 4: Because if your only access to a neighborhood is seeing

1222
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 4: it on the eleven o'clock news and you have no

1223
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 4: engagement with it beyond that, that's all you see.

1224
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was curious what spoke to y'all, you and Bill,

1225
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 8: since we talked about there weren't many spaces for hip

1226
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 8: hop in that way, but when you were growing up, Like,

1227
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 8: what were the shows? I know you listened to the

1228
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 8: cast albums. What were the shows that spoke to y'all

1229
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 8: to is that this is.

1230
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: I might want to be in this.

1231
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 4: Well Again, I'm born in nineteen eighty, so there's just

1232
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 4: never a point where hip hop's not a part of

1233
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 4: my life. I have an older sister. She gets all

1234
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: the credit from my hip hop education. She took me

1235
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 4: to Beat Street in the theater. I cried, Yeah, she

1236
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 4: took me to Wild Style. She took me to Crush

1237
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 4: Groove for my sixth grade graduation. My sister's present to

1238
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: me was a pair of Drabo jeans, and she took

1239
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 4: me to see Class Act starting. Oh, my.

1240
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: Sister, you'd be like, that's her, that's hip hop straight.

1241
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 4: I stole her Black Sheet album I stole her day

1242
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 4: Sola's Dead album Like that was like digging in my

1243
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,479
Speaker 4: sister's albums. Was how I fell in love with hip.

1244
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 3: Hop's It's funny y'all say that to somebody.

1245
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 8: I told somebody yesterday that we were interviewing Lynn, and

1246
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 8: it literally was like, do you make sure you bring

1247
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 8: up the fact that Kid and Play changed how hip

1248
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 8: hop was proceived in media and changed the way, like

1249
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 8: started the real diversification of hip hop.

1250
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, I never thought about that, Like

1251
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: that Kid and Play class act.

1252
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: House Party with the cartoon, they had a cartoon. Here's

1253
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: another great thing sequels.

1254
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: House Party three has one of the funniest lines in

1255
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 4: cinema history when they accidentally give the grandma the porno

1256
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 4: instead of the.

1257
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 5: One of the funniest lines in cinema history.

1258
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 6: Well, literally, talking about Lynn is like a mere going

1259
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 6: record shopping for people. One of Lynn's great things when

1260
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 6: we were younger was he would make mix CDs like

1261
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 6: for everything and all the time, and so like we

1262
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 6: had this bathroom that had like this wallpaper sort of stuff.

1263
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 6: It had like like hundreds of mixed CDs. So like

1264
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 6: we had this, we had a boombox, what a CD

1265
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 6: player in the bathroom, and it was only in the bathroom,

1266
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 6: so we would play we would turn on his big

1267
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 6: CDs and we would listen to everything. And so like

1268
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 6: those were the days of like pun and and that

1269
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 6: kind of stuff and b Ig like that's all we

1270
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 6: listened to. It was like really heavy Latin music, so

1271
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 6: like Juan Luis Ghetta and Hilberta Santa Rosa and like

1272
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 6: William and then like fucking just like hip hop all

1273
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 6: day long and like all this stuff that we're talking about.

1274
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: And so that's also where I sort of.

1275
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 5: Was that dance.

1276
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: Dance New York.

1277
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 7: So just with all the the speaking of dance, like

1278
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 7: with all the the dancers, like specifically in the Heights,

1279
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 7: like the break dancing that you found were they were

1280
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 7: those people on Broadway that already knew how to break

1281
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 7: or did you have to go and find.

1282
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: It was a mix of like breakers and folks who

1283
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 4: had who had a little theater experience. But we had

1284
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 4: a lot of debuts within the Heights, Like there were

1285
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 4: so many debuts with Heights and with Hamilton.

1286
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 5: Made his debut.

1287
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 4: Like you know, the thing is the shows I write

1288
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 4: are made for people who don't ordinarily get invited to

1289
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 4: get us on the board, like so with Heights, Bring

1290
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: It On broke the record for the number of debuts.

1291
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: We had thirty two Broadway debuts with that show.

1292
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: And that's the one I wrote.

1293
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 4: I co wrote in between in the Heights and Hamilton.

1294
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 4: But you know, sort of the same principles at work,

1295
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 4: like of just like pop music and theater music should

1296
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 4: be friends, like there's no reason there should be a separation.

1297
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: There is there a pressure to bring a name to

1298
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: the show when you present it.

1299
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: I remember in Fla maybe during the last well well

1300
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: not during the last run, but basically us getting a

1301
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: name would ensure that it could have an additional four months,

1302
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: an additional.

1303
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 4: That's why pressure comes with time, I think, I think,

1304
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 4: And every show goes through reversion of it where the

1305
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: you hope, the novelty of a new musical catches on

1306
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 4: in the word of mouth catches on. But there's a

1307
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 4: point at which the professional Broadway goers have all seen

1308
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: it and unless you have something to attract them, you know,

1309
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 4: and that's when the name thing comes. But like I

1310
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 4: remember a Broadway producer told me, like getting a name

1311
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 4: a quote unquote celebrity name to be in your show

1312
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 4: is like starting hard drugs, Like you don't get off it.

1313
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 4: Once you start off, you can't just put so and

1314
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 4: so from Dancing the Stars and then have like just

1315
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 4: a talented guy who auditioned after him, Like, once you're

1316
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 4: on that ride, you don't get off.

1317
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: Wow, who's the who's the biggest name that we would

1318
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: know that has approached you about wanting to do.

1319
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,480
Speaker 1: Hamilton?

1320
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 4: For like a second, like YouTube, every white actor wants

1321
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Speaker 4: to play King George really yeah, because they yeah, because

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Speaker 4: they love Hamilton. But they know it's not right to

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 4: ask to play Hamilton or Bird because those are us,

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Speaker 4: And so they go, can I pla King George? I

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 4: mean insert white to hear and they go kind of

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Speaker 4: And also they realize it's not a lot of work.

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 4: It's one song and two repriezes, right right, So that's

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Speaker 4: been the most probably most requested.

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Speaker 5: It's like mad famous white people are like I could planking.

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Speaker 2: George the way that the way that I don't know

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: the system of how Broadway works, but is it that

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Speaker 2: only in your first year are you eligible for Tony run?

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Speaker 1: And then that's it.

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Speaker 4: Tony happens sort of within the season in which you

1335
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 4: come out, which pre pandemic was sort of June, because

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 4: that's when the Tonys are to June to like May April,

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 4: May of the following year, and then that's your that's

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 4: your class.

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: So if there wasn't if there wasn't a pandemic, and

1341
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: say Clooney wanted to or bad Brad Pitt wanted to

1342
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: play King George and he killed it, would he would

1343
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: he be eligible?

1344
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Speaker 4: It would be for the love of the game. Wow,

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01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 4: that already happened. Yeah, there's no There have been occasionally

1346
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 4: campaigns for a Tony Award for like best Replacement, which

1347
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 4: I think is honestly like celebrities being like can I

1348
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 4: just be in Chicago, ton.

1349
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's really like warranted, you know, like I

1350
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 5: remember seeing you know.

1351
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 4: The most famous case is they did a production and

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 4: to Get Your Gun with Bernadette Peters and she was amazing,

1353
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 4: but then they got like Reba McIntyre, Like nobody's more

1354
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 4: fucking perfect for that part than McIntire, and so people

1355
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 4: were like, man, I wish there was a Tony for

1356
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 4: Best Replacement because she really like transformed.

1357
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 5: So there's a case to me.

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: But they do have a revival category, So how long

1359
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: would Hamilton have to be dormant for it to get

1360
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: best revival or is it a five or ten year ruld.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's a hard and fast rule.

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 4: You just get like I guess, like all the way

1363
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 4: people being like that was quick that you're back, Like

1364
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 4: I remember when like le Mins did their revival, everyone

1365
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: was like was closed.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the.

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Speaker 4: Way.

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: Man, what are some of your favorite musicals?

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 7: Because I'm you know, this is all like it's very

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 7: new to me, and I remember, actually you talk about

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01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 7: theater nothing.

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Speaker 1: But I actually did hair when I was a senior

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: in high school. I did. I didn't tell you, but.

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Speaker 7: Come on, man, this was in high school. This is

1375
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 7: in North Carolina. Like we had to cut all kinds

1376
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 7: of ship out of the play, like it was so

1377
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 7: much No, we didn't even we cut that ship out.

1378
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 4: We were so much a lot of appropriate.

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: That ship was like an hour.

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01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 7: Yeah that ship was an episode of datelineig, so you

1381
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 7: know what I mean. But like but yeah, but but

1382
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 7: I did it. But but now, so I was curious

1383
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 7: to know, like, what are some of your favorite musicals

1384
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 7: and like what makes them good? Because to me just

1385
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 7: kind of as an outsider, it all kind of sounds

1386
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 7: the same.

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: Like Hair spoke to me because I knew Pete Rock sample.

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01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: The break.

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01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 4: Was just like just wrote great bass ship like mcermott,

1390
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 4: you know what, incredible basslines in all of Goalt mcdermot's ship.

1391
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 4: So like from that to all of this stuff, Like.

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 8: I can tell you they're gonna shout out Annie in

1393
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 8: this episode. An ain't gonna get no love. But that's fine.

1394
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 8: It's a girl thing.

1395
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 3: It's fine, it's fine.

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna start with Annie, you know what?

1397
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: You know what? Wait, the secret secret uh fact, I

1398
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: was part of the of the of the letter writing

1399
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: process of Jay Z asking permission to use that sample.

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: Of the use you talked about.

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 5: She was like I listened to this and it gave

1402
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 5: me faith that I was going to get out one day.

1403
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Wait that that letter got out, it's in his book.

1404
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know. Right after Hamilton, right before

1405
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: Hamilton he read Jay's book, I was I.

1406
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: Was the sounding board for do you think this will work?

1407
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, okay, Like and I was like,

1408
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: this really happened.

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 5: I didn't know.

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, no, they did not still.

1411
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 8: Want to be the best songs of all musical time,

1412
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 8: decide everything that happened in.

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 7: The whiz so andy, Like, what's what's your take on Cats.

1414
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 7: I've never seen Cats, but like I've heard it kind

1415
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 7: of get trashed later.

1416
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 4: And I was not a Cats guy, so like when

1417
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: I was a kid, you know, my parents had a

1418
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 4: lot of cast albums, but I was like a lot

1419
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 4: of Hamilton fans and that, like I just kind of

1420
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 4: imagined the shows we didn't have money for. Probably, you know,

1421
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 4: no production of Made Lamont is going to match my

1422
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 4: mental version of man A la Mancha. I've still never

1423
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 4: seen it, but we saw the like eighties Holy Trinity

1424
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 4: of Phantom, lame Is, and Cats. Those were the three

1425
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 4: musicals in the eighties, and lame Is like what I

1426
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 4: remember most about it. I fell asleep. I was seven.

1427
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 4: I remember sort of the fact that the Confrontation, which

1428
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 4: is as hip hop as that show, gets where it's

1429
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 4: like Valjean and Javer singing their parts of each other.

1430
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 4: And I always wanted a meth Redman version of the

1431
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 4: Confrontation and I was just like, I am warning you

1432
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: Shoven and it's like yelling at each other.

1433
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 5: I love that song.

1434
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm just glad they made it a movie, so I

1435
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.

1436
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like I couldn't find go through once.

1437
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 4: But what I remember the most is my parents buying

1438
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 4: the two CD set. It was like one of the

1439
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 4: first CDs we owned, because this is when they still.

1440
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: Sold them in the long box.

1441
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 5: And my March would cry every time they played.

1442
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 4: She would play bring Him Home and just like weep,

1443
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: and I remember I think the seeing how that music

1444
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 4: affected my parents made it more interesting to me, Like

1445
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 4: the fact that it could make my parents cry was

1446
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 4: a huge deal.

1447
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 5: And then Phantom was just my shit. Like Phantom is about.

1448
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 4: An ugly songwriter who was like, if you don't like me,

1449
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fuck everybody else well, and I related to that.

1450
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 4: I was like, yes, go on Phantom. And then Cats

1451
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 4: like I just remember the cats coming out and pawn

1452
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 4: at you in the audience. I didn't really have any patience.

1453
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 4: I didn't get it and I wasn't into it like

1454
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 4: it had a moment.

1455
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 5: I wasn't. I missed the moment.

1456
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 2: I was too young any well, not any thoughts on

1457
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: the movie, but is there fear or in trepidation when

1458
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 2: something that's such a sure shot doesn't translate well on screen.

1459
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 4: That was never a sure shot. That's that's the That's

1460
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 4: the thing is that like.

1461
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: You from outside looking time out from the outside looking in, Yeah,

1462
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: looking looking in, and I'm thinking like, Okay, they got

1463
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 2: all their all their porns in a row, and and

1464
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: it's coming out for Christmas, and how can I not

1465
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: expect this to be like this is it?

1466
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 5: Like what? Yeah?

1467
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: What happened? How did that turn into istar?

1468
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 5: Because it's about cats.

1469
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 4: And it has period, it has so it has one

1470
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 4: incredible eighties ballad for the ages with memory and Jennifer

1471
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 4: Hudson singing that is not enough for a whole movie,

1472
01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: although it is a wonderful sequence in the movie. No,

1473
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: it's not, as it's even due to It's that it

1474
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 4: was sort of like this cult favorite that I think

1475
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: was successful because it was so out of the box

1476
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 4: that you had to see it. And then I think

1477
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: it ran a long time because you don't need to

1478
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 4: speak a word of English to enjoy cats. So it

1479
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 4: was a huge international hit. You could just be like

1480
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 4: what's on Broadway? Like you come from any country in

1481
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 4: the world, what's on Broadway Cats, Let's go see Cats

1482
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: like it just became this hit that you had to

1483
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 4: see it just it became synonymous with Broadway in a

1484
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 4: very real way. But if you look, if you actually

1485
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 4: took a closer look like, there's no story. These cats

1486
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 4: all say, I want to go. This is a song

1487
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 4: about me. This is a song about me. Jennifer Husinsing's memory. Okay,

1488
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 4: it's her, Let's go.

1489
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 3: Do you remember the last play that worked on film?

1490
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 4: I see it. That's the It's interesting because.

1491
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 6: Conversation was just as it was the Whiz Men Everything

1492
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 6: to men conversation, because it's about to be a real

1493
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 6: black conversation about the Here we Go.

1494
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 3: I was trying to avoid the Whiz I was trying

1495
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: to listen.

1496
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: The Wiz is one of the greatest horror movies of

1497
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: our time. It is.

1498
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 4: The trash Monsters.

1499
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: As you say it, the Whiz on Mushrooms is even better.

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01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 5: I'll bet Cats on Mushrooms is much more experience.

1501
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 3: Is there is there an answer to that question? Has

1502
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 3: there been a great film play on film?

1503
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 4: So here's my thing. I believe there are great movie musicals.

1504
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 4: I think adapting a stage musical to film is one

1505
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 4: of the hardest things you can do.

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 3: I like the churse line.

1507
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 5: You like the course Line movie?

1508
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: Do you like the course Line the movie?

1509
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 4: I did?

1510
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: Is there?

1511
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 3: Do you have a I watched it like fifteen times?

1512
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 4: Are I think if you watch the course Line the

1513
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 4: show first, the movie is like what's happening? Okay? Yeah,

1514
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 4: it's about it's having how you experience it, you know,

1515
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 4: because there's great performances in the chorus Line movie, but

1516
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 4: the show is so much about that line and everyone

1517
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 4: being equal that like the movie is like where are

1518
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,520
Speaker 4: we what's happening? Like, so are we following Michael Douglas.

1519
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 3: Yes, he was the director.

1520
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 4: What talking about the record?

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01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 2: I will say so, knowing that you have that level

1522
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 2: of scrutiny as a fan, you still treat movies and

1523
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 2: you know you're still a fan first before you're a suit.

1524
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: How much adjustment did you have to make to in

1525
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: the Heights the movie?

1526
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 4: I think the gold standard of an adapt movie adaptation

1527
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 4: is Cabaret. The Cabaret movie is completely different from the show.

1528
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 4: You wouldn't recognize it, but it's genius and it is

1529
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 4: its own thing, and when you go see the show,

1530
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 4: it is genius in its own way. But it's it's

1531
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 4: just they're different things. And that's how we approached in

1532
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 4: the Heights. We were like, we cannot put the show

1533
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 4: on stage.

1534
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: It's a different medium.

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01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't put a two act show in a

1536
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 5: three act structure.

1537
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 4: And so a lot of the credit for I think

1538
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: Heights is an amazing adaptation, but a lot of the

1539
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 4: credit goes to Kiara, who really had distance from it.

1540
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 5: When she wrote the screenplay.

1541
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 4: She was the she was my co writer for the show,

1542
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 4: and she wrote the libretto for the show, and she

1543
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 4: made a bunch of really bold choices to update it.

1544
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 4: That means cutting some songs, that means, but it also

1545
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 4: means opening up the world in the way. The other

1546
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 4: thing we did that was so important was we shot

1547
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 4: on location and we cast this thing, like you can't

1548
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 4: just be like Hollywood good. You have to like be

1549
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: you have to not look out of place on one

1550
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy fifth and Watsworth things that make sense,

1551
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 4: Like you've got to it's got to work some authenticity. Yeah,

1552
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 4: it's got to have real authenticity. And and so I

1553
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: think our movie is a good adaptation because it's not faithful,

1554
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 4: but it's faithful in the right way. It's faithful to

1555
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 4: the spirit, but not the this happens, and this happens,

1556
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: this happens, and this happens. Like I think that's where

1557
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 4: like I think that's where The Red Movie is less successful.

1558
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 4: They use the original cast fifteen years after the fact,

1559
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 4: and they're all incredibly talented, but.

1560
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 5: Those aren't twenty somethings anymore.

1561
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: It's a different story, different story.

1562
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 4: It just is a different story.

1563
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 5: And so you know that's that's the tricky thing.

1564
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: Now, this is totally off subject, but I feel like

1565
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: only you can explain this to me. Okay, So in Quarantining,

1566
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: I got caught up. One of the best movie podcasts

1567
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: that you can listen to is the A twenty four channel.

1568
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 2: Oh oh, they got to the production yo, the Saftie

1569
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: Brothers and Paul Thomas Anderson alone that episode where they

1570
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 2: have like directors interview each other. So when Uncut Gems

1571
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: came out, Paul Thomas Anderson and interviewed the Safti brothers.

1572
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 2: But there's an episode where Martin Scorsese finally talks about

1573
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 2: New York, New York and as a Scorsese fan for

1574
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: the life of me, and this is weird. Of all

1575
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 2: the films, what convinced Michael Jackson to do the Bad

1576
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: Film with Scorsese.

1577
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: Was New York, New York. He had never seen Raging Bull,

1578
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: none of that stuff.

1579
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 2: But as a Scorsese fan, I knew that he had

1580
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown doing New York, New York. But I

1581
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: never knew how that film. I don't know if I

1582
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: can't judge musicals on film to know, Like I'm like

1583
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: light Ye with the Cortius line, like I like everything,

1584
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: like I'm the guy that's all staying alive and was

1585
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: like it was.

1586
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: Good right to like. But that's the thing. You can't

1587
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: trust nothing under if you're under the age of twelve,

1588
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: you like any thing, you know.

1589
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, probably right after Beat Street, right, I.

1590
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 1: Liked all that ship. I didn't realize that that ship is. Yeah,

1591
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: what I'm asking is, was assuming that you least saw

1592
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: New York, New York, was it bad or like?

1593
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 4: I don't think it was so much that was bad.

1594
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 4: I just think it was an uneasy mix of styles.

1595
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 4: It's Jake Lamatta in a musical, It's Travis Bickle in

1596
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 4: a musical. Like Scorsese doesn't stop Scorsese and he's mean

1597
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 4: Tolzam and Ellie and he beats her up, but then

1598
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 4: you're bursting into song and I don't think that to me.

1599
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: Okay, similar similar to Jungle Fever. Like for some reason

1600
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,839
Speaker 2: Scorsese won't let this out.

1601
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 4: On you know, it's really hard to find.

1602
01:24:59,600 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 8: It is.

1603
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: Somewhere in my storage room. But this is my first

1604
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I've ever hearing of this movie. I've ever heard of it.

1605
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 4: He did it, and he did all the Yankee games

1606
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 4: is from that movie that was never written for a musical,

1607
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 4: like that was written for that movie. And then Sinatra

1608
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 4: did his own version, you know. Candor and I like

1609
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 4: don't love Sinatra's version. They're like he fucked up all

1610
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 4: the lyrics, but version that's the.

1611
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,959
Speaker 1: Version that right, Yeah, he did it seventy seven.

1612
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 4: After Taxi Driver, Right, ain't number one?

1613
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 5: You just said that twice?

1614
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Scorsese did it in uh seventy six or

1615
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: seventy seven, right after tax Driver, and it it was

1616
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: almost like it's his version of I love it. Well,

1617
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm interested only because that's his apocalypse. Now as far

1618
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 2: as how it nearly destroyed him, like he almost didn't

1619
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: make Razing Bull because he was almost driven to the

1620
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: brink of suicide because.

1621
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: Of this film.

1622
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to bring up The Whiz one more time

1623
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 4: in that pant Okay, there's a I mean any director

1624
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 4: like you read making movies by Sidney la Mette. Sidney

1625
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 4: Lamette made Cirproco and All Day Afternoon and directed The Whiz,

1626
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 4: and it's one of the few times he cops to

1627
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 4: a mistake in the book. All he says is, I

1628
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 4: felt the look of the movie getting away from me.

1629
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 4: I felt like a distance between what I pictured and

1630
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: what my different departments were making and when they were

1631
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 4: doing the the Emerald City sequence, and you know, it's

1632
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 4: those beautiful dancers and like the colors change and then

1633
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 4: all that change like they the footage because the gel

1634
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 4: was so hot that it like it's like blew out

1635
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 4: the exposure. So it was sort of I mean, you

1636
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 4: will never get a better cast again in the history

1637
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 4: of movies than the cast of The Whiz.

1638
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 3: But sorry, I got selfish play.

1639
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 5: And the news like you can't win is not in

1640
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 5: the stage.

1641
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: Show you can't win.

1642
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not in the state the stage show,

1643
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 3: the stage you don't remember home? Is that what we're doing.

1644
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: You remember my home was the home.

1645
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, I.

1646
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 4: Mean you've seen as like a two year old singing.

1647
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 8: Ye.

1648
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of new songs.

1649
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: Well in the Quincy and the Unheard Quincy episode, he

1650
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 2: did six new songs for the Whiz that you know.

1651
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: That's why he was up all night writing them. You know,

1652
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 2: he's writing them joints on the spot that that that

1653
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 2: Emerald City.

1654
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 3: Charlie Small who wrote most of the music.

1655
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: The songs that weren't Charlie involved, Like I know, but

1656
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: his name doesn't get He was literally flying by the

1657
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: seat from his pants, like writing stuff three days before

1658
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 2: they were due on set in a rap and you

1659
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: have the ship ready and like they were.

1660
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Kind of winging. It sounds like a morand deadline. Yeah,

1661
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I got, I can imagine that.

1662
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what, I'm a less project between just

1663
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 7: you know, being you know, uh playwright, actor, uh you know,

1664
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 7: MC songwriter.

1665
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: Like I have, I.

1666
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 4: Try to go by two criteria. One, am I gonna

1667
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 4: learn from this a thing that I could? Like I

1668
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 4: always think of the DeVry Technical School commercial.

1669
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 5: Commercial, like like.

1670
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 4: You use that tool, it goes in your toolbox, like

1671
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 4: you learn each tool one at a time, and that's

1672
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 4: how it worked.

1673
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 5: So like that's how I like. It's like, Okay, I'm

1674
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 5: gonna learn. You know, Mary Poppins returns.

1675
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 4: I was not a big Mary Poppins guy, but I'm

1676
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 4: gonna watch the director of Chicago Directive musical like and

1677
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn from watching him do that, and that's

1678
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 4: gonna help me for the next thing.

1679
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 5: Uh.

1680
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 4: And then the other ship is just like stuff I'd

1681
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 4: kick myself forever if I said no, like duck Tails

1682
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 4: do a voice gizmo duck on duct. He was like, yeah,

1683
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: I if I say no, I'm gonna hate the person

1684
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 4: who did it forever.

1685
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 8: Like I'm gonna please tell me about your curby your

1686
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 8: enthusiasm experience.

1687
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 5: That's an example of like I kick myself forever.

1688
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: Yes, in which I know everything. Please show what you.

1689
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 5: Have to know is that not a word of it

1690
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 5: dialogue is written.

1691
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 4: I do know this. But he has the whole season

1692
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 4: like and he calls you like he's like they're like

1693
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 4: Larry David wants to talk to you, and you go,

1694
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 4: oh my god. And so he calls you and he

1695
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 4: pitches you the whole season goes.

1696
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 10: You know, I don't know if you know the show,

1697
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 10: but there was a fouta on me and I'm gonna

1698
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 10: I'm gonna figure, I'm gonna lift the fotoa because I'm

1699
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 10: gonna help a guy cut the line and like I'm

1700
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 10: gonna say he was here before and because of that,

1701
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 10: he's gonna cut the and I'm gonna Okay, So can

1702
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 10: I go on with Fox while the musical?

1703
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 4: And the people in charge of the Fox say you

1704
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 4: can do fout while the musical, but only if Linnmann

1705
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 4: will Miranda's involved? Oh, Hamilton, we love Hamilton, Yes, yes,

1706
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 4: we love Hamilton. And then like you're involved, but like

1707
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 4: we don't get along and like you're pain in the

1708
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 4: ass and we don't like each other. And then somehow

1709
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to like a duel and I'm gonna

1710
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 4: shoot you with a paintball gun.

1711
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Like it was all in.

1712
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 5: On the phone, and like how fuck you say no

1713
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 5: to that?

1714
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: You don't and there's no script, Like there's no and.

1715
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 4: There's no script. And so I told him I have

1716
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 4: to do that with you, but I'm about to leave

1717
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 4: the country. For eight months, I was doing I was

1718
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 4: doing Mary Poppins returns, and so he said, well, they

1719
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 4: let me film it whenever I want, so we'll work

1720
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 4: around you. So I filmed my stuff for the first episode,

1721
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,839
Speaker 4: like the weekend I was in town for the oscars.

1722
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 4: I filmed all the office ship and then they like

1723
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 4: broke until I got back, and then they reassembled the

1724
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 4: crew filmed my scenes and coming again. Because he has

1725
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 4: such cachet at HBO, he just goes, I got an idea,

1726
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 4: and they're like, all right.

1727
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 5: We're doing another season.

1728
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 4: Like that's what's amazing is he really like has he's

1729
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 4: a genius because he's created a system where he doesn't

1730
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 4: have to learn online, but he can create a whole

1731
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 4: season in TV. Like Jeff Schaeffer, who's his number two,

1732
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 4: who's sort of the show runner, has these pieces of paper.

1733
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 4: He's kind of keeping track of the plot lines and

1734
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 4: so like there would be times when he'd come in

1735
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 4: and be like, all right, remember in this scene, you've

1736
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 4: just come from your cousins and and and Larry would

1737
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 4: just show him away like a we'll figure it out,

1738
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 4: we'll figure it out. He's like, I don't like knowing

1739
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 4: too much stuff. We'll get there, and he just wants

1740
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 4: to get there organically. He doesn't want to have to remember, shit,

1741
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 4: it's Jeff Schaeffer and and uh and Larry Dave. Like

1742
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 4: Larry David gets an idea and he works with his

1743
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 4: showrunner and they kind of work out the beats and

1744
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 4: they schedule it by episode what they want to happen,

1745
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 4: but not a line of dialogue. And it was funny

1746
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 4: because then you also have to figure out your own

1747
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 4: relationship to Larry.

1748
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 5: So like I figured, like, all right, I can't be

1749
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 5: Nina Esmond because no one curses out Larry like Nina Esmond.

1750
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 4: And I can't be the hype guy because like JB's

1751
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 4: move is a legit genius and I can't do what

1752
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 4: he does. So I was like, I'll be the antagonist,

1753
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 4: but I'm just gonna be like really positive while I

1754
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 4: do the opposite of whatever he wants me to do.

1755
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 5: Like that was my whole thing, was Like you like.

1756
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 4: This shirt, Larry. He'd be like, yeah, I like it, Okay, Okay,

1757
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 4: we need to look at more shirts.

1758
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: Like just do the opposite.

1759
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 5: To him, because he knows how to deal with aggressive,

1760
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 5: but he doesn't.

1761
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: Know how to deal with like passive aggressive positivity that is.

1762
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 5: The opposite of what he wants.

1763
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 4: So that was my way of being an age.

1764
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 2: So thank you have you have you planned it at

1765
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 2: least that you can talk about. I guess the white

1766
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 2: elephant in the room is people were dying to know

1767
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: what your next Broadway venture will be, which you know

1768
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 2: again is you know, I assume that this time is

1769
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: sort of like what nineteen eighty five was to Michael

1770
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 2: accident after a joke.

1771
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 5: But there's lessons in that, right, Like I think.

1772
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 4: There's stuff in Bad that I love, Like Dangerous is

1773
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 4: legit my favorite album because I was twelve when it

1774
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 4: came out, and the music that comes out with twelve

1775
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 4: is what means the most to you forever.

1776
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 5: I remember being in the mirror being like there will

1777
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 5: be and it's just trials and my obsessions, like yes.

1778
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: Yes, but the thing, but the thing is just let

1779
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: me wait, let me Like artists.

1780
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 4: I think one of the dangers is to go bigger,

1781
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 4: Like there's a temptation to be like this one's going

1782
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 4: to be even we can thrill, like if you go

1783
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 4: to the like topping yourself place, like that's where I

1784
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 4: think people mess up and and so like I'm not

1785
01:33:53,880 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 4: gonna write like a three act historical musical, like it

1786
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 4: hits twenty times a day on Twitter every day, Oh

1787
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,560
Speaker 4: really every day? Can you please write something about this

1788
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 4: so people finally know. I was like, I think people know.

1789
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of what side people are chosen

1790
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 4: exactly because don't care.

1791
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: The thing is is, though most artists will do what

1792
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 2: they call the departure album, which is like the opposite

1793
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: of that. I was actually gonna say I kind of

1794
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: admire Mike's balls for actually saying you know what, I

1795
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 2: get top thriller, Like, yeah, he's literally the only one

1796
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 2: that had a mountain and was like, all right, I'm

1797
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: gonna climb this other mountain, which I gotta give it

1798
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 2: to him. Okay, five five albums, five number one songs

1799
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 2: from an album is not a failure.

1800
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 4: To me, man in the mirror, leave me Alone just

1801
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 4: on the knee, but wasn't on the cassette.

1802
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it's jam bad. Though yeah

1803
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 2: it's it's weird. It's a success, but it's still not

1804
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 2: my favorite. But what I'm say thing is that people

1805
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 2: either like we'll do the opposite or they'll try to

1806
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 2: top it. But there's also middle ground, and people never

1807
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 2: explore the middle ground. I guess for you, what would

1808
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 2: the opposite of Hamilton be, like a one man play

1809
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 2: or Shakespeare in the Park.

1810
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 4: Or you know. One of my favorite books, which.

1811
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: Like a Latino, I'm gonna write.

1812
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 5: A play for every decade. Oh god, I wish no.

1813
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 4: The one of my favorite books in high school was

1814
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 4: because I remember I was like a film guy. Was

1815
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,440
Speaker 4: Rebel Without a Crew by Robert Rodriguez, who directed Desperado

1816
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 4: and directed In City. And his whole thing was like

1817
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 4: he made his first movie for eight thousand dollars. He

1818
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 4: maxed out all his credit cards, sold his blood and

1819
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 4: was like a lab rat in like like experiments to

1820
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 4: make the money. Yeah, clinical truck for clinical trial for

1821
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 4: his first movie and she's and he did on eight

1822
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, damn. And so he wrote this book about

1823
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 4: like stop waiting for Hollywood, just make your own ship.

1824
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 4: Like that was really influential to me, Like stop waiting

1825
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 4: for anybody, make your own ship. And he said, after

1826
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 4: I made Desperado, everyone was waiting for the sophomore slump.

1827
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 4: And everyone is waiting for the sophomore slump, so just

1828
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 4: do so much different shit that no one knows what

1829
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 4: your sophomore project is like that, and that's basically what I've.

1830
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 5: Been trying to do. Like he did a segment for

1831
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 5: Four Rooms. Remember four Rooms?

1832
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 4: He did an episode for like a show on Showtime.

1833
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 4: Like he just did like lots of different ship, and

1834
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 4: that's kind of like I was like, Okay, I'm not

1835
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 4: going to go right into writing another musical after Hamilton.

1836
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go do lots of different ship until

1837
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 4: I amass enough ideas.

1838
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 5: And I have ideas for stuff I want to write

1839
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 5: that is the length of Hamilton, but it doesn't tell

1840
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 5: me what form it wants to be.

1841
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 4: Like, remember I thought Hamilton was gonna be a mixtape.

1842
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 4: Like I thought I was going to be doing like

1843
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 4: a Prince among Thieves, Like that's what Hamilton was. In

1844
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 4: my head. It was like it was a concept album.

1845
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 4: I'd have rappers play the founders. I just didn't know

1846
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 4: any rappers yet, Like I had to write the show

1847
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 4: to get there. And so I have ideas for full

1848
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 4: length things, but I don't know whether their movies, or

1849
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 4: whether their concept albums, or whether they're shows.

1850
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 8: But there's all say because you know rappers now, so

1851
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 8: that whole concept album thing is like a thing. It

1852
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,600
Speaker 8: can't of course, it can't be Hamilton, but it can be.

1853
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 4: So yeah and yeah. So I have an idea for

1854
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 4: something that I think could be a concept album and

1855
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 4: could be a play. But until I start like really

1856
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 4: writing it, I'm not gonna know what it is.

1857
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 2: It'll tell me what it is, all right, So you're

1858
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: just planning seeds, Yeah, okay, the fun stuff. Gun to

1859
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 2: your head? What are the five albums? And they can't

1860
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 2: no greatest hits? Man, Okay, That's why I hate that

1861
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones list. It's like, come on, you can't put

1862
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: James start Time in there. That's every James Brown record ever.

1863
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Right, Gun to your head.

1864
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 2: Five records that you are forced to listen to in

1865
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 2: solitary confinement four years straight.

1866
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: Weird.

1867
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 6: Five records from Neon Wesley University professor Neon my college

1868
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 6: highlighte Yeah.

1869
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 5: Bizarre, Right to the far Side. Yes, yes, I probably listened.

1870
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 1: To that more than any other team lab Cab. I

1871
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: think me and just Blaze might be the only two dudes. Yes,

1872
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: you born in seventy eight. I was on seventy eight.

1873
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Seventy eight motherfuckers. So contrary man.

1874
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 4: Like Team Black Cabin Man, if you, if you, I

1875
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 4: have a theory about that, okay, seventy three to seventy eight.

1876
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 4: The reason you also contrary is because your formative Star

1877
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 4: Wars movie is Empire strikes Back, and it is the

1878
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 4: one with the sad ending and it taught a generation

1879
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 4: like I imagine seeing Empire strikes Back and being like,

1880
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 4: and that's the end of the movie.

1881
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: What that's theory. I've never seen War about to say,

1882
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 1: but no, I've never seen Star.

1883
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 8: Most contrary seventy eight people more return to Jedi, but

1884
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 8: I know is out of that regardless.

1885
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: So I can see all right, because I feel like

1886
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: that's the album that birthed Eminem.

1887
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 3: That's what I told you.

1888
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: What hmm, all right? Number two Forest, That's that's Eminem

1889
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:45,839
Speaker 1: all day everything.

1890
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 4: As if that album drops and you're fourteen years old

1891
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 4: and you hear passing me by.

1892
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 3: What and the remix.

1893
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 4: M number one Fish the Burp, right, I mean, just

1894
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 4: like it is love that album.

1895
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 5: I found with lab Cat too. It's just that album

1896
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 5: was like, takes this much real estate in my brain.

1897
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: I just I don't like records that I learned early.

1898
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 2: We almost we almost made a mistake on idel or

1899
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 2: we were going to do like industry complaint songs, the industry,

1900
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, industry complaint songs.

1901
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: And my A and R is like no, like no

1902
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: one cares that SOCD label doesn't care.

1903
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 5: About vils of fame album, right that.

1904
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 1: WASPS is about like the record label. And I learned early,

1905
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: like never made songs about the record label, So I

1906
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: learned early, you know, all right? Number two? What's your number? Two?

1907
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 4: Number two is an album that I remember more as

1908
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 4: like a vinyl in my dad's collection. It's a Ruby

1909
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 4: Blades's album called Buscando America looking for America, and it

1910
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 4: was it's it's one of those moments where like, you know,

1911
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 4: you just you dance to your parents ship when you're

1912
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 4: like with dym dancing dancing, and then you listen and

1913
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 4: then like you learn enough Spanish to understand the lyrics

1914
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 4: and you go, this is about capitalism or like this

1915
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 4: is about the perils of like religious fanaticism. Like there's

1916
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 4: deep ship in the lyrics of those songs. But I

1917
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 4: experienced it as like a kid dancing to it, and

1918
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 4: then I had a whole other like thing when I

1919
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 4: was old enough to appreciate it.

1920
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 5: So that's an album I can fuck with forever.

1921
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 3: All the kids that don't relate him to the guy

1922
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 3: from the Predator.

1923
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 4: Movies Predator too with Danik Lover, Yes, and then another

1924
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 4: generation who just knows him as a guy on the

1925
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 4: Walking Dead sequel, and yes he is, he's the father,

1926
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yes, and he's like he's like Dylan,

1927
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 4: and then like kids know him as Predator to.

1928
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 3: Put me on who he really was, But that's some

1929
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 3: New York ship.

1930
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's the New York ship because he was.

1931
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 4: He was, He was the seventies Sign. He wrote all

1932
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 4: the best songs of Sound Sign in the seventies, him

1933
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 4: and Willie Quimber three.

1934
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 5: I gotta pick a theater album at some point, right,

1935
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 5: But I've listened to Rent so many times.

1936
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 4: I don't think I would. I would stay in it.

1937
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 4: It would probably be it probably would be something I

1938
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 4: don't know as well, like Gershwin's Porgie and Bess, or

1939
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 4: or like any sound time show like those are so

1940
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 4: fucking dense you you will hear new shit in it

1941
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 4: every time. Listening to Sondheim like Arrangement Wise is like

1942
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 4: listening to pun lyrically like you will get a new

1943
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 4: ship every time you're here. It so probably like Sweeney Todd.

1944
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 4: I think Sweeney Todd is a good number three. And

1945
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 4: it's also so I'm kind of cheating.

1946
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Do you play land you talk about like just composition,

1947
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: do you play keys or.

1948
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 5: Like piano just well enough to write my ship?

1949
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 4: And actually, when I started working with Bill will appreciate this,

1950
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 4: Like it used to be like four tracks, Like I

1951
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 4: would play the bass here, in the piano here, and

1952
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 4: it was like terrible. And then finally like most of

1953
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 4: Heights got written a garage band and Hamilton got written

1954
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 4: on logic like I just like anything. That's the distance

1955
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 4: between my brain and like these keys, and to the

1956
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 4: point where it's part of the editing process, like a

1957
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 4: melody has to survive my shitty chops.

1958
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: Right, that's that's did you get melody through the rough stages?

1959
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 4: Then you got some Yeah, yeah, there are composers who

1960
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 4: have no distance between their brain and their hands. I'm

1961
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 4: I'm just not one of those guys. It's got to

1962
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 4: survive my chops. And then sometimes I find shit along

1963
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 4: the way while I'm trying to get it out of

1964
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 4: my head. Uh okay. Number four songs in the key Life.

1965
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 4: I could listen to that forever and be very very happy.

1966
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 4: I could pick any Stevie. I could pick intervisions like

1967
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 4: you know, like we were.

1968
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 7: We were talking on Twitter about like I think like

1969
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 7: Talking Book being better than songs, and I was like,

1970
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 7: I'm not mad.

1971
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: I think I play.

1972
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 7: I played Talking Book more. I mean, songs is a masterpiece.

1973
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 7: But talking about that kind of come back to more.

1974
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, two discs, So I'm cheating, all right. I'm just

1975
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 4: trying to get more music into this little desert island

1976
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 4: situation you've got me into.

1977
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: That's why I picked the least liked one, which is

1978
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: feeling this.

1979
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 8: Oh it's like plants, plants, That's what I thought he

1980
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 8: was gonna say, because he.

1981
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 1: Well, if I'm stuck with the record for a year,

1982
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: I just haven't.

1983
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 4: Been question why hasn't there been a great Stevie jukebox musical.

1984
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 4: I've imagined it many times, like you yeah, yeah, and

1985
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 4: like you enter the world okay, and then it's tell.

1986
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 5: Truth.

1987
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Talk about that a sort of like the Prince musical

1988
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Trust Me when one day in the musical, I'm telling

1989
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:17,560
Speaker 1: you one day your last one, my last one. I

1990
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: think you say some Pun record.

1991
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 5: At this point, I mean I still fun.

1992
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 4: With capital punishment like it's the one.

1993
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean.

1994
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 4: Everything else after it's.

1995
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 1: Sort of like the hell yeah you baby, Yo. You

1996
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: know what, here's the thing Spotify list on my Spotify playlist.

1997
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why. First of all, I love one.

1998
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 10: I love.

1999
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 2: I should not love that nigga ship, but I love it.

2000
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 2: I love I'm laughing at you now.

2001
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't even have.

2002
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 4: You. Now.

2003
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: There's like five songs that I really really on the

2004
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 2: yeah this on the yeah baby, yeah baby. Yeah, there's

2005
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 2: five joints I really like. I like the sketches. My favorite,

2006
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 2: My favorite part of sketches, and I know he was

2007
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 2: doing scar phase was when the guy's laughing during the

2008
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 2: shooting scene like thanks Pun, and he's like when he.

2009
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: Gets shot exactly exactly, You'll you'll appreciate this Lynn Pun.

2010
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well not really. Pun was supposed to be

2011
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:50,439
Speaker 2: on adrenaline on things fall apart what like, It's just

2012
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 2: the conversation with Pun. To talk to him is another language,

2013
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 2: because he'll call the studio like, hey, what's up, how

2014
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 2: you doing?

2015
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 5: What?

2016
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 2: It's like talking to the Charlie Brown teacher that's how

2017
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 2: it is to talk to Big Pun like he he

2018
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: was on his adrenaline. Should have been a uh four

2019
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 2: man operation with Pun, Beanie Tarique and Molik and Pun uh,

2020
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 2: but he never made it.

2021
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 4: So wow, you've seen that footage of it's like Pun

2022
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 4: d m X and they're all sitting in that booth

2023
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 4: and they're daring each other to freestyle and like it.

2024
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 4: She's like, no writtens, no writtens.

2025
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 5: It's a great little video really. Oh yeah yeah, and

2026
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 5: spit some ship.

2027
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 4: He definitely spit on someone else's album and it's fantastic.

2028
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well forgot. Oh you're a spot in the

2029
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:03,679
Speaker 1: God Watch the Night Watter maccado joint. Oh yeah, yeah.

2030
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 7: Kind of it's explained to us and kind of tell

2031
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 7: you know, our viewers what Walter mccado meant to the

2032
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 7: what what he meant to the Latino community.

2033
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 4: The way I try to explain it to like Americans

2034
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 4: who didn't grow up with Walter muccado is like, imagine

2035
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 4: Bob Ross told you your future. Like imagine Bob Ross

2036
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 4: came into your home each day and was like, forgo,

2037
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 4: it's gonna be okay. You have a fortune coming down

2038
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 4: the lane and then like Pisces, and so like I

2039
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 4: remember most of my because remembering to a room being

2040
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 4: loud and my grandmother being like the fuck up waiting

2041
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 4: for Sagittarius, like waiting for Walter to tell her what

2042
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 4: was going to happen her day.

2043
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 5: And I would sit through Sagittarius because Capricorn was after that.

2044
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: Radio personality.

2045
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 4: No, he was a TV personal Also remember Bob Imagine

2046
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 4: Bob Ross tells you your horoscope and he dresses like Liberocchi.

2047
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 1: When he's feeling he dress Baker. Yeah, he was.

2048
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 4: Incredibly flamboyant at a time, you know, like machismo in

2049
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,560
Speaker 4: Latin culture is like off the charts talks sometimes. But

2050
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 4: because Walter was so positive and he told us our future,

2051
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 4: he was just a fixture in.

2052
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 3: Our wow and so like remember I never knew his name.

2053
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 4: My Christmas present every year to my grandmother was the

2054
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 4: almanac Walter meccaldoll like next year Almanac to tell her

2055
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 4: what she could expect in the coming year. And one

2056
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 4: of the producers of the docs Friends with Foucars who

2057
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 4: was in Freestyle of Supreme with us. So I got

2058
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 4: a text from woodcarsh being like, hey, would you be

2059
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 4: interested in being in a Walter medcal when I wrote yes,

2060
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 4: I didn't let him finish because I got a chance

2061
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 4: to meet him. I could feel my ancestors doing backflips

2062
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 4: that I was meeting the guy who told them their

2063
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 4: future every day, and and I feel really grateful. I was.

2064
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 4: I was doing Hamilton Porto Rico at the time, so

2065
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 4: I got like an afternoon with him. He read me

2066
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 4: my chart, he read me my kids charts, like he

2067
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 4: like looked up my birthday and was like, oh, well,

2068
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 4: this was happening in this moon and this is like

2069
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 4: of course you were going to go into writing like

2070
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 4: of course.

2071
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 5: It was just like I was crying so much, not

2072
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 5: in the movie of me, just like holy shit.

2073
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 4: And then he passed away like within the year. So

2074
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 4: I felt I feel extra grateful for that moment because

2075
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, that was that was like

2076
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 4: that's as close as I've gotten to like meeting a

2077
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 4: celebrity that Westy on my TV every day.

2078
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 7: I was a great documentary man. I you know, I

2079
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,759
Speaker 7: had knew who he was, I didn't know his story,

2080
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 7: and I thought that was really good.

2081
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I think, say I got it.

2082
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 8: Look then got a couple because I still gotta witch

2083
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 8: se him for Luis too, So it's.

2084
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 5: That's coming out on Tuesday.

2085
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 8: That's not out yet, oh god, okay, but it'll be

2086
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 8: out by by the time this episode place.

2087
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 4: Yes, And then there's the Freestyle doc which Quest is

2088
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 4: in and uh is like, what's crazy about that? Is

2089
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 4: they got footage of us at our peak, like at

2090
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 4: Baked Beans era substitute teaching, Like the guy who directed

2091
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 4: that movie started following us with a camera in two

2092
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 4: thousand and five.

2093
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 3: So this movie is about you, guys at your beginnings.

2094
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 4: It's about like the fifteen years of freestyle when like

2095
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 4: we were, I was a substitute teacher, Bill's working MTV

2096
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 4: and then we were making up funny raps for people

2097
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 4: where that's all Hulu.

2098
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: Okay, how do you stay sharp?

2099
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 2: Because I now realize one of the things about being

2100
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 2: in quarantining is that us doing the Tonight Show every night,

2101
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 2: at least when we were doing it before quarantining, I

2102
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 2: mean to re expending two hours every day wrapping, so

2103
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 2: that keeps his mind sharp, which explains like the amount

2104
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 2: of fire that he's which is.

2105
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 4: It's probably that ten minute freestyle because I've watched that

2106
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 4: more times than any album, any album of the past

2107
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 4: few years.

2108
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 2: So how do you say, Because the thing is as

2109
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 2: a freestyler, you're like you're super or one point, I've

2110
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 2: never seen you fall or slip yet, And in doing

2111
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 2: freestyle love supreme the amount of times I've seen it,

2112
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 2: Like the amount of pressure that it takes to make

2113
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 2: that happen. Like how often every day are you guys,

2114
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 2: especially now in quarantining, Like how often every day you

2115
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 2: guys even practicing?

2116
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 4: When quarantine happened, we were doing our Broadway run and

2117
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 4: we were doing an eighth show week, and that was incredible.

2118
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't doing eight shows. I was doing two or

2119
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 4: three a week, but still that was enough. My my

2120
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 4: learning curve with freestyle was, oh, if you try to

2121
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 4: plan your rhymes, you're gonna fall the fuck on your face.

2122
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 4: Like I that's that was my learning curve because when

2123
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 4: we started doing it, I was trying to be cute

2124
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 4: and I was like, all right, I got two punch

2125
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 4: lines that if I can't think of anything, I'll say

2126
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 4: these funny punch lines and then like I would get

2127
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 4: out on stage, I would fuck up the punch lines

2128
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 4: and then be terrible like and so you learn the

2129
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:16,719
Speaker 4: only answers to just be truly open and truly present,

2130
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 4: and then like you get enough reps that like it

2131
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 4: becomes another language filter, like, oh no, everything I'm gonna

2132
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 4: say is gonna rhyme, but I'm gonna express this. I'm

2133
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 4: gonna express this and it will just rhyme because I've

2134
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 4: had enough reps and I know how to do it.

2135
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 4: And if you get, like chess, enough on it, you

2136
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 4: can know where you're going and build your way there,

2137
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 4: which Tarik's amazing at. Every time we play Wheel of Freestyle,

2138
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 4: I love hearing what his first line is.

2139
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 5: Because I already know he knows what his last line is,

2140
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 5: and he's.

2141
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 4: Building to it and builds.

2142
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he builds backwards.

2143
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 4: He builds backwards, but he builds backwards in real time.

2144
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I try to do too. Of Like

2145
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 4: I'm going to end on Dinosaur, so now I got

2146
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:56,480
Speaker 4: to think of three rhyns for Dinosaur.

2147
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 1: And I got to do it as I go.

2148
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's the best in the world at it.

2149
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,599
Speaker 4: But that's that's what I try to do in the shows,

2150
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,879
Speaker 4: and that's my own little discipline for myself. Like Anthony

2151
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 4: will literally build to rhyme and say the opposite just

2152
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 4: to surprise himself. I don't think Anthony's rhyme three times,

2153
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 4: Like he just likes to fucking zig and zag ootcars,

2154
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 4: just like u TK is, just like he hits these

2155
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 4: pockets where like he's got twenty syllables and then he can't.

2156
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 4: Like everyone kind of approaches it differently, which I think

2157
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,839
Speaker 4: also works well. Like my technique wouldn't work for Anthony

2158
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 4: and u tk's wouldn't work for me, But we all

2159
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 4: kind of meet in the middle because we're all just

2160
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 4: trying to be present and listen to each other and

2161
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 4: like say what comes out right?

2162
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think like freestyling for MC's that's like DJing

2163
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 7: for producers. Like I think just being in that coming

2164
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:52,839
Speaker 7: up in there, if you came up in battle culture

2165
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 7: or like cipher culture, like freestyling that definitely you know

2166
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 7: you talk about earlier, you were saying they don't really

2167
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 7: teach rapping his songwriting or they don't think of it

2168
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 7: as songwriting. That's something that's always kind of been a

2169
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 7: thing for me. And just that your I tell I

2170
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 7: tell all EMC's, anybody want to rap for me?

2171
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: Whatever? Like I'm like, no, please don't rap me. I

2172
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: don't hear it.

2173
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 7: But you got four bars to close me, Like that's

2174
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 7: my home, you got you got four bars to close me.

2175
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 7: I know I can tell within four bars if somebody

2176
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 7: really got some shit or not, because you gotta. You

2177
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 7: have to pretty much a you know, attack grab the

2178
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 7: listen about a throat in that beginning, and you got

2179
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 7: a close strong you know what I mean. And the

2180
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 7: middle you can you know, the middle gotta be strong too.

2181
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 7: But that opening, that closing, like you got to bring

2182
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 7: that mofucker home.

2183
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 8: Lynn.

2184
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you. It's interesting because we

2185
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 3: were talking.

2186
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 8: About like, as you're growing, your father is growing, and

2187
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 8: we know that this documentary is coming out about his life.

2188
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 8: And it's interesting because it's it's it's an interesting responsibility

2189
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 8: put on your shoulders. It feels like at this time

2190
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 8: in your life as a new Eurekan man, as a

2191
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,240
Speaker 8: Puerto Rican man, same thing with this. It's like an

2192
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 8: activism versus capitalism kind of line. Like I just wanted

2193
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:01,840
Speaker 8: you to speak on it for a second and speak

2194
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 8: on this weight that has kind of been thrust it

2195
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 8: upon you and you've taken on a lot voluntarily in

2196
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 8: that sense, you know.

2197
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 4: I used to use Twitter to just like live tweet

2198
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 4: buffy and shit like everybody else on Twitter.

2199
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 5: Like you can't do that when you have three million

2200
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 5: people follow you. It's a particle.

2201
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 4: Like every tweet's a press release, so your relationship to

2202
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 4: that change is But also like I try to treat

2203
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 4: the causes I get involved in the same way I

2204
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 4: treat creative impulses of like what's the shit that doesn't

2205
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 4: leave you alone?

2206
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 5: Like, what is the thing that like you went to

2207
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 5: bed thinking.

2208
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 4: About it and you woke up and You're like, this

2209
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 4: is so fucked up. I can't stop thinking about it.

2210
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 4: It hurts my heart, it hurts my stomach, Like I'm

2211
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 4: going to get involved in some way. And I tried it,

2212
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 4: because you could go on Twitter all day and see

2213
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 4: all the things going on in the world and drown

2214
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 4: in it, like and drown in how much need there

2215
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 4: is in the world.

2216
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 5: But you can only listen to the shit that doesn't

2217
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 5: leave you alone, And so I try to.

2218
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 4: I try to do that, and then I think the

2219
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 4: biggest lesson I got for my dad because I'm the mellowest,

2220
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 4: laziest guy in my family by a lot, but the

2221
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 4: median is so high because my dad is such an

2222
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 4: achiever that like even falling below the media and I

2223
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 4: still get a lot of you dun. Yeah, but I

2224
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 4: am I'm the slow poke. I'm the one who like

2225
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 4: like just want you know, I'm very happy that we

2226
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 4: have all successfully skipped watching this first debate live.

2227
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 1: And let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

2228
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm about to DV here. I don't know what

2229
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 3: you're saying. It's an addiction.

2230
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't. I can't.

2231
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 4: Date with you guys.

2232
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be.

2233
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 4: Like, you know, this guy's got some good ideas.

2234
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 8: But the pressure is on because everybody's pandering to the

2235
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 8: Latin vote, which I found it is so interesting because

2236
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 8: it's so many countries that you just put under an

2237
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 8: umbrella with different classes and ship But like, even with that,

2238
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 8: for you, it's even pressure in this election year in

2239
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 8: a way, right for you to speak up say things

2240
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 8: where do we you know?

2241
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2242
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 4: But but the thing that my dad and I are

2243
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 4: always on about is like that we're not a monolith

2244
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 4: and you have to talk with nuance. Don't be playing

2245
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 4: mid a gay and the fucking Texas for Biden. Thing

2246
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 4: like they're fucking with Nathaniel Music down there.

2247
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like.

2248
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 4: Me, but it's it's it's it's as simple as speaking

2249
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 4: to our issues and speak like and and really understanding them.

2250
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 4: And the you know the fact that we we've never

2251
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 4: had a president more hostile to Latinos than this president.

2252
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 4: And he told us who he was the moment he

2253
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 4: came down the elevator and was like, Mexican's are rapists.

2254
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 4: They're not sending over the best people, like they're sending

2255
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 4: over the rapists and killers.

2256
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 3: Like and like there's went Datinos for Trump.

2257
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 4: And it went downhill from there, Like that was his

2258
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 4: opening salvo and it went downhill from there. So you know,

2259
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,280
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, if you want to go down policy,

2260
01:58:58,320 --> 01:58:59,480
Speaker 4: we talk another hour, but like.

2261
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't have to.

2262
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 5: You have to just you know, speak to the issues

2263
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 5: that that that affect us.

2264
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 4: This motherfucker through paper towels and did everything he could

2265
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 4: not to send aid to Puerto Rico, and what he

2266
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 4: did to Puerto Rico after Marie is exactly what he's

2267
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 4: doing to this country in this pandemic. He wasn't to

2268
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 4: Matty and then he lied about how not ready he

2269
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:21,080
Speaker 4: was okay on our island, and then it happened in

2270
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 4: our country.

2271
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 2: You opened the door, And I guess I have to

2272
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 2: ask one question every you know, every culture has their

2273
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 2: group of people that are willingly ignorant to actual facts

2274
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 2: and truth. How easy do you think it will be

2275
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 2: to convince? As Laya mentioned, Uh, there's a a sizable

2276
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 2: population of Latinos for Trump that you know, feel as

2277
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 2: though he's right and he speaks for me. And I'm

2278
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 2: actually shocked that a lot in what I or my

2279
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 2: hip hop I would expect it from, you know, the

2280
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 2: the old uncle that you think about at Thanksgiving or

2281
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 2: at least that you know comedians joke about.

2282
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:12,760
Speaker 1: But is this at all? Is this something that could

2283
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 1: be turned around or in you're at So.

2284
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 4: Much of it is just misinformation. You're trying to play

2285
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 4: fair with someone who lies as easy as breathing, and

2286
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 4: the fact that he throws around words like socialism and

2287
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 4: they're coming to get your this or coming to get

2288
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 4: your that. Sometimes to populations that have fled countries where

2289
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:43,800
Speaker 4: that real shit has happened, lies can take root, you

2290
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like there's all manner of atrocities

2291
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 4: happening in insert Latin American countries here, and if Trump

2292
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 4: says they're going to do that here and you've just

2293
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 4: come from there, that shit takes root. And I really

2294
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 4: think that a misinformation is a big part of it,

2295
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:05,320
Speaker 4: and the fact that in Spanish language like misinformation can

2296
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 4: spread even more wildly because like you know, the fact

2297
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:13,080
Speaker 4: checkers of the Washington Post aren't listening to the Latin

2298
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 4: radio station, but the Latin radio station is spouting some

2299
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:17,640
Speaker 4: right conspiracy.

2300
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 5: It goes unchecked. It just straight up goes unchecked.

2301
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 4: And so you know, to me, that's a big part

2302
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 4: of it, is just like misinformation campaigns with vulnerable populations.

2303
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 4: And you know, the larger part of it I can't

2304
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 4: speak to, Like there's you know, I can't know what

2305
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:40,320
Speaker 4: goes on in that mindset because I'm certainly not of

2306
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 4: that mindset. Like I'm just seeing with my own eyes

2307
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 4: the lies this guy is told. Like with Puerto Rico alone,

2308
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 4: like he said, only sixteen people died. We know that

2309
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 4: thanks to mismanagement, it was closer to four thousand, but

2310
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 4: he got stuck at sixteen and kept them moving.

2311
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:58,760
Speaker 8: You know, just released the funds like a week ago,

2312
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:01,840
Speaker 8: right right right, type of the election right.

2313
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 4: And when when you see him with this, with the

2314
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:07,040
Speaker 4: pandemic stuff, and how unprepared he was and how much

2315
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:10,120
Speaker 4: he downplayed it, he will continue to say, but China,

2316
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 4: but China. Like It's like he gets the one fact

2317
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:15,240
Speaker 4: in his head and he sticks to it. So, you know,

2318
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to turning around, but I

2319
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 4: know that misinformation is a big part of it.

2320
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 5: Misinformation that is just sticky enough to take hold.

2321
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 1: My last question on pay bill, uh is there anything

2322
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: about Lynn that we haven't learned yet?

2323
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,440
Speaker 4: Ending with you, Fela Kutstein, I just saw that you

2324
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 4: replaced the name.

2325
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,880
Speaker 6: I mean, there are many stories about Lynn that are

2326
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:48,360
Speaker 6: fantastic and uh, you know, uh, maybe we could do

2327
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 6: a second episode and get into the real mental.

2328
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 1: Situ I mean that, Yeah, No, what did you just say?

2329
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 4: That was a word salad.

2330
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:03,600
Speaker 5: Make fun of how you talk.

2331
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 4: But what did you just say?

2332
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer this question.

2333
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 6: The answer is, yes, there are many stories about Linda

2334
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,080
Speaker 6: that I that I could tell here, but uh, there

2335
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 6: are none that will take the short amount of time

2336
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 6: we have left to coagulate.

2337
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:21,720
Speaker 1: I think it's dope now, I think it's dope for y'all.

2338
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 7: Have been been homies for all these years, you know,

2339
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 7: like twenty years for y'all to still be homies, are

2340
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,480
Speaker 7: still working together, and you know the heights that you've

2341
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 7: both achieved.

2342
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:33,520
Speaker 1: I think that's just a great story, man.

2343
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:37,760
Speaker 3: It's a plan for this to be forever, forever, forever.

2344
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: Answer that question, like you.

2345
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:42,640
Speaker 3: Plan for you.

2346
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 2: There's only there's only two people in my life not

2347
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:48,560
Speaker 2: related to me that i've no longer. You're actually one

2348
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:52,320
Speaker 2: of them, which is serious, that's real though.

2349
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 5: Kiss today, goodbye?

2350
02:03:57,240 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 4: What I did?

2351
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:03,680
Speaker 1: Did you really? Did you have a Comodo?

2352
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 5: Oh?

2353
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Comodo six.

2354
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 1: I used to watch the play Tony Hawk's Skateboarder for

2355
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 1: like hours up.

2356
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 5: The remasters still over again.

2357
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 1: We used to watch Little Mermaid. We have a lot

2358
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: of weird times.

2359
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:21,080
Speaker 4: Dominator, that was a big game.

2360
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Do you do you still game? You still game it?

2361
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 2: Uh?

2362
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2363
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 4: I just got the remaster Tony Hawk because that was

2364
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 4: that was the game that got me back into games.

2365
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 4: Like I started playing with that in college and then

2366
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 4: I never got off again. I'm replaying Red Dead too.

2367
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 1: Like that's like and I never opened it. It was

2368
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 1: just this so much game. I finished the game.

2369
02:04:41,240 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 4: But once you start hunting Theres.

2370
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:42,920
Speaker 5: It's like.

2371
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,720
Speaker 7: U P S four, U Xbox PS four, U ps

2372
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 7: FOALKM P four two. I just finished a couple of

2373
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 7: months ago U Ghost of Sushima.

2374
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:54,040
Speaker 8: Uh.

2375
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:55,920
Speaker 1: That ship is amazing that.

2376
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 5: My wife likes, Like she plays Zelda forever. She will

2377
02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 5: be every book in the room. I just want to fight.

2378
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 5: I just want to fight.

2379
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: I can still go okay if you just want to

2380
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:11,240
Speaker 1: fight ship. There is a game. It's four. It's like

2381
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:12,040
Speaker 1: twenty bucks.

2382
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:14,200
Speaker 7: It was on Xbox but now it's They made it

2383
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 7: for PS four called Cuphead, Cuphead, Cuphead.

2384
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, I'm getting head. It is like I heard

2385
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:24,040
Speaker 1: I like I saw somebody in the form.

2386
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 7: They described it as cartoon Dark Souls and it is

2387
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,800
Speaker 7: the realist ship ever, Like it is as hard as fuck.

2388
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:33,560
Speaker 7: It's super hard, but the animation style is in like

2389
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 7: that nineteen thirties Tom and Jerryles.

2390
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:39,240
Speaker 4: My first date with my wife was Grand Theft, Autos

2391
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:41,120
Speaker 4: and Andres. That's how I got this to come to

2392
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:42,520
Speaker 4: my house to play that with what.

2393
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:45,880
Speaker 1: I used to play Burnout Revenge. I used to watch

2394
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,120
Speaker 1: them crash cars for like hours and hours.

2395
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all.

2396
02:05:51,400 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 4: I don't think none of that was the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, man, ladies and gentlemen. You asked for it,

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Speaker 1: you got it.

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Speaker 2: The four years red linn Manuel Miranda episode of Quest

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Speaker 2: Love Supreme. We thank you very much for joining us

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Team Supreme. Uh Laya Sugar, Steve, Finn,

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Speaker 2: Tickeelo and Bill's Bill.

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Speaker 4: Bill.

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Speaker 1: It's the best name ever. Please call me in there

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Speaker 1: you go, boy, all right, this Quest Loves signing off.

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Speaker 1: We will see you the next go round. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, Lynn, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Must Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For

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