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Speaker 1: Hey, well, I'm welcome in. I'm Godi Been. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball um. Look, we'll talk a bunch of basketball.

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Speaker 1: We'll have personalities, will give you predictions, some picks. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about all the new NBA teams, the college basketball teams,

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Speaker 1: stuff in the landscape. I want to get to. But uh,

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Speaker 1: this pod, I'm gonna catch up with Dan Dockets. Of course, Dan,

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Speaker 1: he used to have a pod with Seth Greenberg over

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Speaker 1: at ESPN. Uh. He just announced that he's officially leaving ESPN,

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Speaker 1: which means nose college basketball games and and no pod um.

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Speaker 1: But he does have a new show that I want

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Speaker 1: to promote and help talk about. But also we want

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Speaker 1: to talk about like this business coaching in sports basketball

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Speaker 1: in general. So without further ado, let's catch up with

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Speaker 1: with Double D Dan Dockets. All right, let's welcome him in.

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Speaker 1: He's the legend himself. He's Double D. He's Dan Dock. Dan,

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Speaker 1: how are you dog? I'm doing good man. Appreciate the

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Speaker 1: legendary status, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure to apply. Oh, definitely, definitely, Uh,

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Speaker 1: definitely legendary status. Okay, let's I like to start at

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Speaker 1: the beginning and that work forward. But I do want

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Speaker 1: to ask about a new show. Okay, So, so sack

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Speaker 1: Up is your new show. It's on our kick, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we got to change the name. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Fox uh signed off on the name.

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Speaker 1: So if you have any name ideas, please feel free.

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Speaker 1: I do. Uh. They suggested sack Up. I said all right,

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Speaker 1: and then they said, well, maybe we can't do that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking for a new name when the show

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Speaker 1: start leventh October. Okay, haven't we had a little time.

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Speaker 1: What's sack up? I don't know. I that's my family motto. Man.

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Speaker 1: Whenever Doug I'm people look at me. Well you're a

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Speaker 1: farm boy from Indiana. I'm from Gary, Indiana. Man. I've

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Speaker 1: had my house fire bombed. I've had cops put gun

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Speaker 1: to my head three different times, and it was always like, hey,

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Speaker 1: sack up. That's family models. So you know, apparently it's

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Speaker 1: not ready for mainstream media. Weird. It is weird what

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Speaker 1: we find like mildly offensive offense at all. It's a

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Speaker 1: weird the things we pick and choose. It is an

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Speaker 1: odd thing. I saw you going back and forth on

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Speaker 1: that Rod Gilmore thing. Well, I think it's really interesting,

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Speaker 1: and like you're the perfect guy to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: like we um it's it's fascinating to me the people

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Speaker 1: that they like, they seek out racism, right, And like

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Speaker 1: you're you're even more maybe developed version of in terms

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Speaker 1: of your life than I am. And like you grew

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Speaker 1: we're told by some that there's this racism in sports

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Speaker 1: sensitive to it? You tell me how what your perspective

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Speaker 1: From there may be, I don't know, but in terms

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Speaker 1: to your own experiences, right. I mean I always felt

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Speaker 1: The best compliment I ever got from a player ever

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Speaker 1: and he told me one time, he said, Coach, he said,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's sad. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I am gonna. I am And if you can't handle that,

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, eight, when I went from Bowling

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Speaker 1: when I was Another Dame McLeod, John McCloud, Late John

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Speaker 1: But it didn't work right, Like it just didn't the

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Speaker 1: No matter what your background, there are just times in

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Speaker 1: to be fair about it. The thing I liked about

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Speaker 1: My guess is that since it's the taunting is a

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Speaker 1: You can't yell at kids for something you haven't coached him.

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Speaker 1: I'll use that leaders. I'm not sure that's the right word,

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Speaker 1: don't like coach Night ripping my ass. But I also knew,

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Speaker 1: like it's probably right. You know, kids know. And the

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Speaker 1: to me, Like like like there's a number of things that

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play on like the coach Tom. He

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Speaker 1: And I pointed to him and I said, Fellas, I

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Speaker 1: to call me a bad guy. I'll put what I

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Speaker 1: do for for uh, this is advantaged children, but my

424
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: wife and I do in my community against anybody, any reporter, anywhere,

425
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: any time that wants to say a bad guy. I'll

426
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: put the money I've raised, the chemo treatments that I've

427
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: paid for people uh that I don't even know, through

428
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: a nun named sister Kathleen, I'll put I'll put what

429
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: I do against any of you all that are piste

430
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: off because I wouldn't go in a pool or or

431
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: whatever the hell else it was. And that's what I

432
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: told the ESPN when they asked me, I go, look,

433
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: you can get rid of me because I'm a bad announcer,

434
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: or my contracts up and we can talk about it

435
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: if I'm a bad announcer, but don't try to paint

436
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: me as a bad guy because I'll put what the

437
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: hell I do against anything you all do, including any

438
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: freaking media guy out there that they do. So is

439
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: what it is. Um Okay. Now, So so you want

440
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: to be mayor maybe in Indianapolis? What would be think

441
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: about it? Would you run on the sack up platform? Like?

442
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: What would you know? I'm I'm serious, like I mean,

443
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: I know, like you're yeah, it's a gradual center. Like

444
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: I've I've had it from both sides. I'm done. I

445
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: get killed. I get killed from both sides. One thing, now,

446
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound weird, but I lost four thousand

447
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: dollars the first day the n C Double A tournament

448
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: because I lost my mind and draft at the gambling,

449
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: all right. I woke up the next morning I told

450
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: my wife, I gotta pay this off. I hold my

451
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: family four thousand dollars now. The next two days of

452
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: the tournament, I made it back. But I don't even

453
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: gamble that much. But I lost my mind, all right.

454
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: So I've been door dashing for literally six months, and

455
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I've done it every single week. I've delivered

456
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: door dash since March every week. I did it yesterday

457
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: to pay off my four thousand dollars, and in this

458
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: time of door dashing, I'm going to every neighborhood and

459
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: huh wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, wait stop. What

460
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: you delivered door dash to wake up your gambling days? Yes,

461
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 1: I owe my family. Here it is, I'll show you.

462
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: I owe my family four thousand. Now. I woke up

463
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: in a sweat. I lost I lost sight of the

464
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: value of a dollar. I did, And I've told you

465
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: before I was. I was brought up by cops, uh teachers,

466
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: uh mill workers Gary Diana, big milltown uncles or mill

467
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: workers police officers. So this year, I don't know if

468
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: you can see this, This goes back all the way.

469
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: These are all my deposits, all the way to March

470
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: thirty one, which is the first day. So every week,

471
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: these are the money that goes into my com You started,

472
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: you started delivering door dash that day, the first day

473
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: of the n State Tournament. No I lost money the Thursday.

474
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Woke up you wake up? Wait before you went to sleep,

475
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: did you come up with this idea for No? I

476
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: I woke up Friday morning at five third in a sweat.

477
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: I owe my family money. I lost the value of

478
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: the money wasn't gonna break me. And my wife's like, yeah,

479
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: you're fine, don't worry about all right. So the next

480
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: day I went to a hardware store by my house,

481
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: applied for a job, feeled out application. They called me, go, Dan,

482
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: is this real? I go yeah, I go, this is

483
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: a great you know. I go, yeah, I got you, guys, fan,

484
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I go out thirteen bucks an hour. I said, all right,

485
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: he goes you want to come in for an interview?

486
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, I'll come in Monday. So my stepson

487
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: had been door dashing and I and I he happened

488
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: to call my wife. I say, man, because I make

489
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: about twenty five bucks an hour bingo, So I signed up.

490
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not stopping good. You have just done a remote

491
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: right for your radio show. A lot of things, yes,

492
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: but I want you want to visitally earn it, and

493
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: then see it, go in and be able to I

494
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: wanted I as site of the value of a dollar.

495
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: I did, and that's not how I was brought up.

496
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: So I'm paying this thing back and if uh I

497
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: got I thought I was done, Doug. I thought I

498
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: was done last night, and then I recalibrated. I went

499
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: through all this got to calculator and I found out

500
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm hunter Bucks short still, so this time next week

501
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: it'll be in I I got it. That's again, I'm

502
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: a bad guy, like I was. I was telling Greenberg

503
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: and lee Fitting at a wedding what I'm doing, and

504
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: They're like, that's the most ridiculously great thing I've ever

505
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: heard of my life. You know, that's a great that's

506
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: a that's a great story. Okay, So, like you said,

507
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: you want to be mayor, what do you want to

508
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: change about it? Well, here, let me get to the point.

509
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I've been around the neighborhoods here in Indy

510
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: and and I really want to help uh guys, gals,

511
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: families that don't have much. I really want to help

512
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: the African American community here. We have a we have

513
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: a terrible murder problem here. We do. We have a

514
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: terrible leadership problem here. And I'm not saying I'm gonna

515
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know, I don't know how it

516
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: all works. But we have a terrible leadership problem in Indianapolis.

517
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: And I believe that people want to be and need

518
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: to be have somebody to lead that. I'm not saying

519
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: lead him by the hand. I'm just saying that people,

520
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: even myself, I want to. I don't want to. I

521
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: want the leadership I want to see. And I've been

522
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: in the African American community. I've been in the poor community,

523
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: the white community. I've been all over this city like

524
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: you saw it since March. And I don't just do

525
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: it up in the rich. I mean I do it

526
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: on my way home. I do it downtown, I do

527
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: it on the east Side. I do it. In fact,

528
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I did it with a place and I watched the

529
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: news that night there were two murders in the place

530
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: where I had just been. And I just think there's

531
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Speaker 1: a leadership with I don't think I'm this great white

532
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: knight coming into safe anybody. I just again, like from

533
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: a as a mayor, like how do you how do

534
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: you help the problem? I'm not sure. I'm in the

535
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: process of finding this out. I'm in the process of

536
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: finding out what is raw home first what and then

537
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: there's the other process I want to find out is

538
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: what can be done, Like what's wrong? Like we all

539
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: know a drugs are a big part of it, right,

540
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean we all know jobs, but there's a ton

541
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: of jobs now, um, But then what can be done.

542
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: What what What are things that can be done to

543
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: help relationships between the community and the police. What are things?

544
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to find all this out because I

545
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: don't want to get up there if in fact I

546
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: do this, Doug, and be one of those guys that

547
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, you know how politicians go, right they you

548
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: know they talk about now. I just want to, you know,

549
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I literally, if I can figure it all out, I

550
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: want to sit at Monument Circle, which you've been to,

551
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Indie the circles right there at the top of this

552
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: upstairs and give people a little hope and give people

553
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: a little direction because I know, like yourself and people

554
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: in the sports world think this Indianapolis is idelic sports town, Doug.

555
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: It's a mess right now. Murder rates beyond Chicago's. It's

556
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: a freaking mess. And I want to if I can.

557
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not, you know, but you asked, so I'm

558
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I want to look into certain things.

559
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting thing because it's like, all right,

560
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: does the like in California marijuana is legal, right, does

561
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: that cut down on the sale of drugs? People own

562
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: people money? I don't. I don't think California's murder rate

563
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: is any lower. I don't don't know what it's done.

564
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: Since they legalized marijuana, Like does that change things? Like

565
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: how do you how do you get the guns? And

566
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: one of the things, one of the things that that

567
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: woke up Indianapolis a little bit was murders started happening downtown.

568
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,

569
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: people always look at it like, well, that's over there, right, No,

570
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I might have a see I go downtown, that's where

571
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: that's where tourists aret. That's right righted. I grew up

572
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: a little girl got stabbed right behind my house thirty

573
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: three times. People down the street home invasion shot three people. Uh.

574
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not I didn't grow up in a bad

575
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: neighbor I just grew up in the middle class neighborhood.

576
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: My parents were teachers and Gary, Indiana. And and like

577
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: I said, my house got firebombed. I mean, you know

578
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: what fire bomb is. You know what a multip cocktail? If?

579
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: How old were you when that happened? Uh? Probably sixteen,

580
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: I'd have to go sixteen seventeen. You know. My father

581
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: had kicked this kid out of school and he was

582
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: actually a kid the babysat my brother and I when

583
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: we were younger, and he fired a I must have

584
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: been young. I might have been twelve and fourteen. I

585
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: fired a multip cocktail at our garage, blew it up.

586
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: Like now, I didn't blow it up. You know, a

587
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: multip cocktail hits and spreads, and so I I know,

588
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've been around thistree aggressive reaction. If the

589
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: kid didn't think he deserved to be kicked out of school,

590
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: well I don't know. If I didn't think he just

591
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: he got kicked out for drugs. And actually I played

592
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: basketball with the guy who was driving the are and

593
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: my dad finally told me who was driving the car

594
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: and I went, I said, Greg, were you driving the

595
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: car when dirtchild fire bombed our house? He started crying.

596
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: It's a big tough guy. He started bawling. It's like

597
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe, you know, but I'm like, dude, what

598
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: were you thinking? Like the fun are you doing? So?

599
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know where I went with that

600
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: whole story, but you know, it doesn't I think I

601
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: think people, particularly now I need to know that there's

602
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: hope and we need to get I'm not saying I'm

603
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: any kind of safe. I just want to find out,

604
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just want to find out,

605
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: and I want to see if if I can be

606
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: if I can help you. And personally, I don't think

607
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm that popular, so I don't think I would win,

608
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: but I do think I wouldn't be afraid to ask

609
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: some questions, you know what I mean. I mean it

610
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: would be like, who's the mayor of Indianapolis. A career

611
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: politician got seventy three, seventy percent of the roade named

612
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Joe Hogson, and during the weird riots was seen. It

613
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: wasn't seen anywhere like you know, whether you agree or

614
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: disagree with policy, told the police to stand down. Downtown

615
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: got tore up, and to this day there it's it's

616
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: it's been two years or whatever it's been in businesses

617
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: aren't back and business owners are hostile because you see,

618
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: if you really came to Indie for the n C

619
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Double A Tournament and you really looked, you saw a

620
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: lot of fake, boarded up stuff that looked like places

621
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: were there and they're not. And it breaks my heart

622
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: because I've always loved Indie from the time I was

623
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: in high school. Um Okay, so the mayor things. You

624
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: didn't see this, You say you're not that popular, But

625
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: the truth is, like, what what's the scale? Like what

626
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: are we measuring against? I never heard of the other dude? Right?

627
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: And well, you have a platform every You have a

628
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: platform every day to communicate with people so they actually

629
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: know you. This is what I would, This is where

630
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: I would I would I would push back a little

631
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: bit on the coaching thing. I don't think in terms

632
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: of a relationship with an older coach, you don't have

633
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: to have a buddy relationship. I do think that they

634
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Speaker 1: need to know you a little bit, and you need

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Speaker 1: to know. You need to know what buttons to push.

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Speaker 1: There are some guys you just can't go after just

637
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: because mentally they can't take it, or or away in

638
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Speaker 1: which you do it. I think you need to know.

639
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Speaker 1: And I think the power of radio especially is people

640
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Speaker 1: know you. They know everything about you, because if you're

641
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Speaker 1: doing it right, you're you're sharing your life and your

642
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Speaker 1: thoughts with your audience on a daily basis. So they

643
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Speaker 1: know about your old marriage, your new marriage, your kids,

644
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Speaker 1: your step kids. Right, they know about everything about you.

645
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Speaker 1: And so while you may think, hey, I'm not that popular.

646
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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't like you. There are people

647
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Speaker 1: that don't like you, but they listen to you and

648
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Speaker 1: they know you, and even the parts that they di

649
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Speaker 1: agree with, they understand where they think it comes from.

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Speaker 1: And that's I think the power and your gift. And

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's where that's where um companies that

652
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Speaker 1: both of us have worked for miss in my opinion

653
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Speaker 1: is that it's the exact same thing. It's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: for example, I'll give you mine, Okay. I tweeted out

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Speaker 1: that Andrew Luck retiring because rehab was so hard. That's

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Speaker 1: the most millennial thing ever. And you know, people lost

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Speaker 1: their mind that that tweet made over seven million impressions,

658
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Speaker 1: seven millions, and you can make the argument that it

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Speaker 1: almost became bigger than Andrew Luck retiring. Andrew's a great

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Speaker 1: player who's retiring, and uh, the argument was pretty simple,

661
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, I'm used to the Ronny Lot

662
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Speaker 1: days where a finger hurts, will cut it off, you know,

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00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Brett Farve, just give me a pill and we'll play

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Speaker 1: through it. Right. That's I thought that was football guy.

665
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: You know, football guys just slightly less psychotic than than

666
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Speaker 1: hockey guy. And yet, and yet, somehow, So I had

667
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: TV bosses like, yeah, well, you know, people freaked out.

668
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: I was like, well, would you rather somebody tweets something

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Speaker 1: that nobody cares about? Right? I actually think kind of

670
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Speaker 1: made my point that people gave a ship like we well,

671
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Speaker 1: people don't like it, like okay, like we're in the

672
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: opinion business. They're gonna like every single one of your opinions.

673
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Speaker 1: And by the way, how good a show would that

674
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Speaker 1: be if everybody said something I totally agree. I agree,

675
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Speaker 1: that's really good. Like we're men were sarcastic, we talked

676
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: ship anyway. The point is that the people who know

677
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Speaker 1: you and get you, even if they don't like you,

678
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Speaker 1: they understand. Oh god, he's a smartass. He's kind of

679
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: making a point about how you know, here's a football

680
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Speaker 1: guys who always want to position themselves as tougher than

681
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Speaker 1: other sports guys. Maybe they're not as top or maybe

682
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it's a different mentality than he used to be, or

683
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: at least with Andrew Luck, it's a different mentality anyway.

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Speaker 1: You can push back on it. Funny. You don't have

685
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: not to like it, but you're paying attention to it,

686
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what we're in it for I

687
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Speaker 1: thought that was that was you know, I having and

688
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Speaker 1: having I thought saying something and people reacting to it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought that was the thought that that

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Speaker 1: was the job. I'll react to basically everything you said.

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Speaker 1: Their number one. There's no question that coach needs to

692
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: know who to push. And that's from the coaches side,

693
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: like the coach has to know you have to My

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Speaker 1: first game at Indiana, we won by twenty Bob Knight's

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Speaker 1: yelling at two guys that I don't even know why

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Speaker 1: they scored twenty and twenty five women in kitch. He

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Speaker 1: should have been yelling at us anyway. Uh. In terms

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Speaker 1: of the Andrew Luck you may not remember this. I

699
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: was at a wedding in Cleveland when it happened. My wife,

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: two of our friends. Um, I knew Andrew Luck got

701
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Speaker 1: hurt snowboard. Yes, nobody knew this, but I knew we

702
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Speaker 1: got hurt snow boarding. So I'm like, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I tweeted, blew up even you know I

704
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Speaker 1: think the one, the one, uh the Sarah Spane at

705
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: ESPN Toxic masculinity, okay, toxic stupidity. But anyway, I called you,

706
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Speaker 1: you called me or I called you and because your

707
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: thing was blown up, my thing was blown up. And

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Speaker 1: I went back. They're like, hey, Dan, can you do

709
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: a show? It was Sunday or Saturday. It was Sunday.

710
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Can you do a show today? Yeah, I'll drive right back.

711
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll do a show, the biggest show we ever had

712
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Speaker 1: on a Sunday, Right, nobody listens to talk radio on

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Speaker 1: a sun But you know, from my side of it,

714
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Speaker 1: that was a great tweet. My my people are like, yeah,

715
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Speaker 1: because we all knew that Andrew Luck had been lifted

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Speaker 1: off a mountain. Andrew Luck. The reason Luck quit when

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Speaker 1: he did, apparently supposedly, it was because he wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to Hawaii rehab and the cults, for the first

719
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: time ever, put their foot down and said no. So

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Speaker 1: he walks. There's a lot of things involved. Uh, so

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Speaker 1: you have to do that number one. But for some reason, Doug,

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Speaker 1: when you do it, and I'm being specific to you

723
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Speaker 1: or specific to me, it's a bad thing. Like it's

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Speaker 1: a bad thing. When Doug Gottlieb says Andrew lux and Millennial,

725
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. When Dan Dockett says, a man,

726
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Speaker 1: this is just here, you know, this is all bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Uh he didn't have a hurt leg blah blah blah,

728
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Speaker 1: but you know not now. And and this is where

729
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: I always talk about, you gotta get on the right

730
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: side of the media if you care, like I am

731
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: totally on the wrong side of the meeting and you're closed.

732
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Speaker 1: But he look, every time something happens with me, I say, man,

733
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Speaker 1: I list the people. I tell my wife and we laugh.

734
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Speaker 1: But I was brought up. If bad people don't like you,

735
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Speaker 1: you're doing pretty f and good like. And I look

736
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: at these idiots that get mad at me, whether it's

737
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: you know you SA today, and I'm like, man, these

738
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: dudes have never done a freaking thing for anybody other

739
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: than themselves in their life. And I love it because

740
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Speaker 1: if bad people like you, if media guys that are

741
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: just so inept and such jackasses like it, then you

742
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: got a problem. And every one of them, like I

743
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: never ever ever have called like, there are certain guys

744
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Speaker 1: in the media that if they wrote something about me,

745
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: I would say, hey, man, you got this wrong, like

746
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Speaker 1: because I respect them. But the dudes that come at

747
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: me on a case every time something happens, I don't

748
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Speaker 1: even bother. I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that jackass

749
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Speaker 1: doesn't like me. That makes me feel so I'm so

750
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: happy that asshole doesn't like me. And people say, well,

751
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: i'll get these emails. Well, you know so and so,

752
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: says Sango. Yeah he's a rotten dude. I'm glad you

753
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: don't like me. If he likes me, then I got

754
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: to reassess. But the guys that I respect, um, if

755
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: they wrote something, I would call him, but I've never

756
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: called the people that are currently up my ass. Okay,

757
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: so this show and your radio shop, you didn't do

758
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: both correct? Yeah, Yeah, I'm looking forward to I'm gonna

759
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: do uh down here in my basement. Fox just came

760
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: in and put a studio up. Um, I'm gonna do

761
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: a nine to eleven and I'm gonna jump in my

762
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: car and go downtown. I like working down. You did too.

763
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're you. You would do every

764
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: show ever at ESPN, like, hey, we need somebody at

765
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: six in the morning called Gottli. Uh he just got

766
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: off a midnight to do. Who cares goli will be.

767
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Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody else grew up, but I

768
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: grew up mulling grass I was the paper boy in

769
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I was a caddy at the Gary Country Club.

770
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Speaker 1: I mean I grew up work. I grew up when

771
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: I was playing in Indiana. I went home when I

772
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Speaker 1: got a job tarring groups and handling to Jack Hammond,

773
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Speaker 1: working construction. I like doing things. I don't like sitting.

774
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I love sitting on my ass actually, but at the

775
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: end of the day, but I like working. So people

776
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: like man five hours of radio like shut up. I

777
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: got uncles that worked in the mill for eight hours

778
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: every freaking day. I got a father that worked as

779
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: a teacher, had to stay for everything after and then

780
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: was an iron worker in the summertime. I go, you

781
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: should made five hours of talking on the radio. Stop it.

782
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: It's the easiest job in the world in my opinion,

783
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: that that doing college basketball. College basketball game. I swear

784
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Speaker 1: to God, Doug, I read all these guys talk about, well,

785
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, I've got this notebook that says, every shot up,

786
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: this the easiest job in America if you know anything

787
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: about basketball. I spent twelve years, Doug sitting just me

788
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Speaker 1: and Bob Knight. Ten years just me and Bob Knight

789
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: every morning in a room watching film, going over every

790
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: possible snat every day every day during the basketball seat.

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00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: Every day me and him would meet, go over last

792
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: night's film every day. And I'm sitting here doing eight

793
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't state Miami game. I can

794
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: do that with my freaking eyes clothes and tell you

795
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: what's gonna come next, tell you what happened, why it happened,

796
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: without knowing a single player on any team. So I

797
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: get a kick out all these guys talking about, wow,

798
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: my preparation for the shut up. It's basketball whatever, it's funny,

799
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I I you'll appreciate this. So I generally don't have notes.

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00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I'll have a laptop up with with things that if

801
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I want to if I had to reference it a

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00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: story or whatever. And so I had somebody's like, well,

803
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: you don't have where's your board, there's your notes, And

804
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: I go, I know it's an open book test. I

805
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: understand it. But if you're reacting to what happens in

806
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: a basketball game, you're trying by the time you look

807
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: at your notes the moments over right, and oh yeah,

808
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: by the way, like if you actually know it, you

809
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: know it. If you don't know it, then yet you

810
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: have notes. I don't really I just I get it.

811
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: Some people they need things to reference or whatever. But

812
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: my thing is, like why I always watched the team's play.

813
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: I talked to all the teams. I have formulate my

814
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: own opinion. I've read all the different stories. I mean,

815
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: I had a flight here. And that's the other part.

816
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: It's like, oh man, we're grinding. I we're grinding. Like

817
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: you're calling a basketball game. That's not that's not right.

818
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: That is not that's not grinding. Like like work in

819
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Speaker 1: the n c A tournament when you're doing you four games,

820
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: you know you've got eight teams, you do speed dating

821
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: the day before or whatever. Like my old thing is like, look,

822
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: if you're just getting to know those teams right, then

823
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: might as well not even show up the next day.

824
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: You're screwed, right, And um, I think it's I think

825
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating. I totally agree with you. Like two

826
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: actra hours of an out kick show, like you were

827
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna be talking for two hours anyway, we're on the phone,

828
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: and I just get paid for it, Like let's go.

829
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: You know Bannetti, Jason Bonnetti, who's gonna end up being

830
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 1: the Monday night foot But he's gonna end up being

831
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, he does the White Sox amazing, pretty amazing

832
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: guy to love him. Calls me, yes, he's all fired

833
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: up because he's you know, out kick has this reputation

834
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: to being concerned of Jason's very liberally. He calls me

835
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: every day said, I'm so fired up for this show.

836
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this show, you know. And so

837
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: he told him yesterday that sack Up was no longer

838
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: in play. And he's really a smart guy. Go hey, Jason,

839
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: I need to know, you know, come up with it.

840
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: He goes, all right, name of your show is what's

841
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: really happened? I go what He goes, Yeah, I just

842
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: call it what's really happening, because that's that's what you

843
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: do during a basketball game, you know, You'll tell us

844
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: what's really happening. Okay, this is what you see, but

845
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: what really is happening? And that's the job that like,

846
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't you know, what's really happening here is I

847
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: don't know what we're gonna name it. But that was

848
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: a pretty good compliment from Jason. But that's what that's

849
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: what guys do. Like I don't you know, people always

850
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: ask how do you prepare for a game, and here's

851
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: how I prepare for a game. I mean, they'd like

852
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I didn't work because I like watching ball. I would

853
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: watch a game the last three games I'm watching with

854
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: the sound down, make my own notes, as you said earlier,

855
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: for my own opinion, uh, and then watch offense in

856
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: a row defense in her own It took me a while, okay,

857
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: but find it what it's not digging a ditch and

858
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: then you're ready to go. You don't need notes, you

859
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: don't need to know, like, well, you know three games

860
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: ago he had a three turnover games. It gives a ship.

861
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening in the game, Tell me what's

862
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and tell me why that's it? Period, And

863
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: dominate the mike. Always dominate the mike. Don't be afraid

864
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: of mine exactly. Well, you tell people why it was.

865
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: It was always always thinking right, but what's really happening.

866
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty good. Is there is there a word

867
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: or two? Is there a way to get that sentence

868
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: out in the name of the show. That's I love

869
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: the stack up too. That's always because if somebody said, hey,

870
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: is the guy who's got a show called sack up?

871
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Like well, that's a dockage. It's a docket. Right, It's

872
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: like when you wipe your feet. I walk into the house,

873
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: it said stack up. Well I look up and said

874
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: sack up. I thought it was perfect. I thought it

875
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: was I don't know you're you're a big shot at Fox.

876
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean an I want to know. I want to

877
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: know who's let's say you story. You're real quick that

878
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: nobody knows. Okay, this is this is this is the

879
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: podcast only story. Okay, Okay, So I my first weekend

880
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: calling n c A tournament games, um with spirodidas Or

881
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. Okay, so the first game we do,

882
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: I think I know. The first first game we did

883
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: was pit uh Pitt got beat by Wichita State. Right,

884
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: this is which how State goes on to get to

885
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: the final four. And um, there's a lot of stuff

886
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: like I like, I had no problem Greg Marshall. That

887
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: dude became a he was a crazy person, great coach,

888
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: became a crazy person. But I'll never forget, like he

889
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: denies this to this day. But I was watching their

890
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Missouri Valley Conference games, so I see, I've see I've

891
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: known Greg forever and I go up to him when

892
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: they're when they're shooting, and I was like, I like

893
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: the van Bleak kid. I was like, it just feels

894
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit of a step slow. I

895
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: was like that how you got He was like, yeah,

896
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he's got huge balls huge. He's like,

897
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really, really good, but you know, he's

898
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: always gonna be limited by his size and athletics, and

899
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: he makes up for with the fact that he's just

900
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: the kid fearless, doesn't give a ship, right, but you know,

901
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: so to this day he'll say, you know, he saw

902
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: him as a pro the whole Like that ship never

903
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: came up, not one huh. Anyway, So, um, the day

904
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: of controversy kind of started. This is back. We still

905
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: have the flagrant. One flagrant too, um and I think

906
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: it was a kid named Lamar Patterson, that was kid's name.

907
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: Was driving to the hoop and as he goes up

908
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: for a shot with one hand, the other arm like

909
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: flails back and hits a kid with his out elbow

910
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: in the face but like clearly unintentionally as he's dribbled

911
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: past the guy going to lay the basketball. And so

912
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: it was called a flagrant foul, and it became he

913
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: was Pittsburgh's best player. He got his third personal foul.

914
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: They wiped the two off the board, and then and

915
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: then Wichita gets two free throws and the game changed.

916
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: From that point. It was like a five point game

917
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: and it became up twenty five point blowout. Pitch Steven Adams.

918
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: They all get eliminated anyway, So I go I went

919
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: a little a little crazy on and I was like, look,

920
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: this is the dumbest thing we do. The elbow in

921
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: the face has nothing to do with basketball. It's not

922
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: the intent of the rule. We've ruined this game because

923
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: now we're replaying looking for an elbow, which clearly wasn't intentional.

924
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: And it's basketball is a contact sport, right anybody who's

925
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: playing knows you're gonna catch an elbow. You just don't

926
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: want to be intentional. We can't. It's hard to tell anyway.

927
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: So you know, Twitter obviously didn't like me, and Turner

928
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: had told us, hey can't tweet enough. CBS like, don't

929
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: tweet in games, don't tweat about it. So I'm like

930
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: tweeting during breaks. I don't like to draw attention to

931
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: bring people to the game. So the then we then

932
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Southern almost beat Gonzaga. That was pretty fun. So there

933
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: was a sixteen seed and I remember it's my first

934
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: weekend calling games, right, and Spiro and I with like

935
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: four minutes and fifteen seconds ago, all of a sudden,

936
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: everybody stands up in the building, like there's Southern fans,

937
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, because they think Gonzaga is going down. We're like,

938
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: holy sh it, we're gonna call the first sixteen one upset.

939
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: But the nightcap so no, So when Whichita stay one?

940
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: The second day? Second day they beat Glenzac. You're familiar

941
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: with the shocker, you know, they do the wheat shocker.

942
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: They did the chocker thing, but it also has a

943
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: double entoning, right, So so the second day I didn't

944
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: tweet at all during the games because they told me

945
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: not to tweet during the games, and after they won,

946
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: I just tweeted out the shocker logo, the shocker thing.

947
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: And so here's the story that I was told is

948
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: that the head executive at CBS like had no idea,

949
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: And so they're actually in the control room saying like

950
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: did you see this tweet? Like what tweet? Here's the tweet?

951
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: Like I don't what's the what is it? Like, it's

952
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: the shocker? Like okay, which does Like now there's another meaning,

953
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: so like explaining to them. I wanted to be in

954
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: on that conversation where somebody's explaining to Sean McManus of

955
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: CBS what the shocker is, what it is used for,

956
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: and why it's unacceptable, so I can call it. You

957
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: gotta take that tweet downs. I take took the tweet down.

958
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and then people like super

959
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: sleep like screenshot, we know what you did. Screenshot the

960
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: tweet right, you know it wasn't It wasn't the best

961
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: way to start my run there. Well, the one thing

962
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: that you may be good, I don't know. I don't

963
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: think you are, and I know I'm not good at is.

964
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't spin things like, um, I don't

965
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm actually trying. Like the other day I

966
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: said something is a throwaway joke about a guy said, yeah,

967
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: when ESPN hired this this dumbass, I knew I was good,

968
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: right or something like that. Just a joke with two

969
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: guys that I knew dislike this other guy just and

970
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: the guy spins it like, well, doc's quit ESPN because

971
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: of me. You know, I'm not good at spinning those

972
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: you put out what you saw right, Like you can't.

973
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: It's almost impossible to think of all the ways something

974
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: can go wrong to people that can spend things how

975
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: they want to spin things. Does that make sense? Like

976
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: you can't, You can't ever have imagine that the Stocker logo,

977
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: the logo that the people of the team that just

978
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: had a hell of a win, is going to be

979
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: spun to where the head of a national corporation has

980
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: to be explained how this means something else. It's I'm

981
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: telling you, and I admire to a certain degree people

982
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: that are good at spinning those things, like it's it's

983
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: like a gift, that's certain. I just listen. I just

984
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. That's it. As I'm saying, I

985
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: thought it funny. That's it. I thought it was funny.

986
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: And then and and you know what, it was funny.

987
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: You know, but you can't, but you can't can you

988
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: can't fathom? Like now, I think I think that I

989
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: think here's the one. Here's the ones that I think

990
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: we both are are so uh Maria Taylor, Okay, So

991
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: here's the here's where people take a step that it

992
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: just doesn't exist. Okay, So Maria Taylor a couple of

993
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: years ago, if you remember, she doesn't put Anthony Davis,

994
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: she doesn't vote Anthony Davis in the All NBA t right,

995
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: And my my, my point was like why does she

996
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: get a vote? Not because she's a woman or because

997
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: she's black, but she's a host. Right. We we worked

998
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: in the industry, we understand that while hosts have opinions,

999
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: the fact is that we're actually paid to give the

1000
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: educated opinion, right, Like we're the we'reth the supports. Whether

1001
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: we're really an expert or not really an expert, we're

1002
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be the expert. Right, So those are the

1003
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: people who should vote on players, coaches, executives. Those people

1004
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: should vote on All NBA because that actually affects guy

1005
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: salary and a host God bless her, and who have

1006
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: even Ernie I know, gets a vote or Sage who

1007
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: used to get a vote when she was the host,

1008
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: like they that's not really even there under their purview. Plus,

1009
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: we also know that when you're at ESPN and you're

1010
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: a host, you're hosting a bunch of different sports, not

1011
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: like super invested in one sport. It was her first

1012
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: year in covering it, but somehow that got spun into

1013
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: anti woman. There's a racial implication of it, like you're

1014
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: trying so hard to make something of nothing. It's it's

1015
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of I just think it's embarrassing to our industry.

1016
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: They're like, now, I would just tell you that that host.

1017
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: They can have opinions, but they're not ones at which

1018
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: they're paid for on TV. Right there, Rhees Davis is

1019
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: the absolute best, right, He's unbelievable. He does have opinions,

1020
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: and he's a smart guy, but he's the traffic cop.

1021
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: How do I get in? How do I get out?

1022
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: How do I manage the guy in my ear and

1023
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: tell everybody to shut up like that's their job? And

1024
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: I just think it's you know, it's more the point

1025
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: of people taking something you say or something you tweat

1026
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: and running with it to a place to which everyone

1027
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: knows that that wasn't even close to where you're running

1028
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: with it, but they take a step that didn't previously exist.

1029
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: That would be my argument here, that that happens all

1030
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, I'm a big just Maria Taylor,

1031
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I know, Maria, I I'm a big Maria Taylor fan.

1032
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I was talking to Mark Packer

1033
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: and when she wanted eight million dollars. Our thing was

1034
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: she got it somewhere. Um. But in terms of taking

1035
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: things too far with with Twitter and whatever else, Doug,

1036
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: one of the best things that I ever did was

1037
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: get off Twitter. And I may go back here because

1038
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: of the show, but I'll tell you why. Um. It

1039
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: hardened my heart. Like when I go somewhere and somebody

1040
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: says a low to me, I like, hey man, let's

1041
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: take a picture. Hey man, you know, if I'm at

1042
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: a restaurant, hey, you know, I may buy him dinner.

1043
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: I mean, by him a beer. I don't know. But man,

1044
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: you get on Twitter enough, and I did. And you know,

1045
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: now when somebody comes at you, you're like, oh man,

1046
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: you am. I don't have to fight here. You know.

1047
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: I had a cop in Iowa literally literally tweet out

1048
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: or Facebook one of the two a a state trooper.

1049
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: A state trooper put out, if anybody's in Carver Hawkeye

1050
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Arena with a gun, please shoot Dan Docket in the

1051
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: head ship. No, he did that, and then he called me,

1052
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: like he found my number at my station. He called

1053
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like hey, dude, Like, I don't give a

1054
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: ship like you do whatever you feel. But you know

1055
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: what if somebody did, so the next time I had

1056
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: to have security I had I had at Michigan State.

1057
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: In fact, I don't know if you know Bart Fox,

1058
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: you probably work with Bart for a great producer. So

1059
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: Bart has as his ringtone Michigan State's entire crowd thirteen

1060
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: thousand people chanting we hate dockets over a tweet. And

1061
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there looking at the faces of these people, Doug,

1062
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: and they're angry, Like I stand up and way even kind.

1063
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: But then I catched the eye sight of some of

1064
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: these people. And it was over a tweet where I

1065
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: had said to some kids, man, because my son was

1066
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: at Michigan, right, I said, Man, you couldn't get into Michigan.

1067
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: That's why you went to Michigan State. Just joking with

1068
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: some you know, college student and he laughed. But somebody

1069
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: picked it up. But can you imagine if if if

1070
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: that was somebody else that caught we hate, we hate

1071
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: like thirteen thousand people, you're their guests, and I never

1072
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: heard what is? Oh then got mad at me and

1073
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: not we're cool is And I went through some stuff,

1074
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: but we're cool. But I never got an apology from

1075
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: an athletic director at Michigan State or the president. I'm

1076
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: their guests. We're in there hosting thirteen and I looked

1077
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: over and I mean old people are and I'm looking

1078
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: at students and in benetti and I walk out. One time.

1079
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: This is a different incident, and dudes after they won

1080
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: a championship are leaning over the rail, putting their cameras

1081
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: in my face, calling me every freaking name in the book,

1082
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: you mother, and waiting for me to react. I had

1083
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: a kid come up to me in Iowa when I

1084
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: was in my car puts two kids put their camera

1085
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: in my face and call me a blank sucking blankly

1086
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: but you know, and it just you know, it just

1087
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: you get you sit there and you laugh, but you're like, damn, man,

1088
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: some bag. So Twitter started hardening me. And the smartest

1089
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: thing I did was just get off. And if I

1090
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: go back, I think I'm just gonna have my my

1091
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: wife like just put promotional things, you know, because I

1092
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: like seeing people. Man, But god damn, I mean I'm

1093
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: not smart enough to think I got in trouble because

1094
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: I used the word bitch and the two guys, two

1095
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: guys and one woman. I said, oh, you guys are

1096
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: just just bitching. Well, you said, hunt, what there's two guys.

1097
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying bitching to people since I

1098
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: was ten years all quick bitching. What so you can't

1099
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: get in trouble with Well, I was part of the

1100
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: whole deal. When I wouldn't go to swimming pool, it

1101
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: was it was it was all part of you know,

1102
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: well you did like what so to me? I learned,

1103
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, Let's put it this way. I learned my lesson.

1104
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: Let's say that because I can't keep up, I swear, Doug,

1105
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: I can't keep Twitter. Listen, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter and some

1106
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: bed you know, but I can't keep up with all

1107
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: the bullshit. You gotta think about for saying, you know,

1108
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: a word like bitch. I can't keep up with all

1109
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: I thought. I was talking to two guys. If I

1110
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: can't say, I tell my friends I'll stop bitching at me.

1111
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I'll get to it. You know I can't. I just

1112
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to keep up, Doug. Can you imagine?

1113
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: Can you imagine once this podcast goes out? Because you

1114
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: and I always get lumped in? Are you and you

1115
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: and got labor jack at you and got it great.

1116
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: Here's to all you haters exactly exactly. It's interesting. It's

1117
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: like it's like you mentioned working for OutKick for Clay,

1118
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: like here, here's how I think the world should work.

1119
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't like the Clay's anti Bax stuff. I just don't.

1120
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's I think he's skewing the

1121
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: stats um in a way which there's there are there

1122
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: are there's enough people people are back saying, there's enough

1123
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: people that don't really understand what they're looking at where

1124
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: he can try and win the argument on Twitter. But

1125
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: real life, I don't think he I think he's doing

1126
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: more harm than good. I don't. And and it would

1127
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: be the first time in which I would tell Clay

1128
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: like most of the stuff is sports stuff or whatever,

1129
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: Like I actually think that there's a public health element

1130
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: to it. That said, you're allowed to have an opinion

1131
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: that I vehemently disagree with and we can still be friends.

1132
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: You know, like you you're allowed to say something what

1133
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: I think it Like, dude, I really didn't like like um,

1134
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: that's why That's why Bennetti Jason Bonnetti, who is liberalist

1135
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: out and myself who I consider myself the commissioner of

1136
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: common sense. I didn't I don't vote. I voted for

1137
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: me the last two presidential elections. I literally wrote it.

1138
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think anybody on either ticket. I didn't think

1139
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: Hillary or Trump. I didn't think Trump or Biden deserved

1140
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: my vote. So I voted for me. So I am

1141
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 1: I consider myself the commissioner of common sense. I'm gonna

1142
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I got vaccinated. I have a very

1143
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: good friend who's a hard doctor that said you should

1144
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: wait on it. I have other people who have a

1145
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: good friend of mine just sent me a text yesterday

1146
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: he got out of I see you, and the doctor

1147
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: yesterday told him that he would have died if he

1148
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: wasn't vaccinated. You know what I mean. And I can

1149
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: live like you just said. I can listen to both sides.

1150
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: And Benettie's my wife, and I said, you know he

1151
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: she goes your little boyfriend, Benetti and Bevanetti. You know

1152
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: we laugh about it. You know your boyfriend, and you

1153
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: know you got this little thing go. But there's nothing

1154
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: wrong with having a difference of opinion and still being friends.

1155
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with saying something whether you don't

1156
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: like it and still being friends. Like if you said

1157
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: to me something like I don't even know because you

1158
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: and I are both pretty hard to offend. But if

1159
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: you use a word that I've been liked towards me,

1160
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go, Oh my god, I can you know?

1161
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean doc gets your a fat, bald, old prick.

1162
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, I can never talk to you again. Shut up. Stop.

1163
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: So I don't you know? Is what? Here's the thing

1164
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: I think you're going to experience, and I don't know,

1165
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: you're the weirdest thing now that we've done it as long,

1166
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: go to a game and not have a headset on

1167
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: and just be is a weird. Well I did with

1168
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: my son's Well, at least then you can have a

1169
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: conversation like when I take my son to a game,

1170
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: at least you have. It is so weird to do

1171
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: a game and not have a headset on. That is

1172
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: a weird existence. When I used to go, it's funny

1173
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: like when I used to do at Andrews games in Ohio,

1174
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: State of Michigan. You know, people are always really cool

1175
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: and one of the things about being um, I don't know, controversial,

1176
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call you or I okay, whatever

1177
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: you wanna call uh is and and with me from

1178
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: being six five to fifty, people are a lot less

1179
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: bold in person, you know what I mean? Like people are.

1180
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: So how about this story? So the commissioner of the

1181
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: i h s A, the Indiana High School Association here

1182
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: Athletic Association. I'm talking to him and he goes, Hey, Dan,

1183
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, you almost got my ass

1184
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: kick to Michigan State. Are you what you talking? Because yeah,

1185
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: I was at the Indiana Michigan State game at at

1186
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: the Michigan State and I'm walking out into Michigan State

1187
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: fans starting you know that you doctors, you mother ater,

1188
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: you blah blah blah. Well they thought he was me,

1189
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: so he said, he turned and looked at him, and

1190
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: as soon and he's big, and as soon as he

1191
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: turned and looked at him, they shut up and ran

1192
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: away into the crowd. Right. So, um, there's an parent

1193
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: advantage when I would go to Andrew's game of having

1194
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: a hat pulled down and being a bit fatass. There's

1195
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: a big people are I'm not I'm not I'm not

1196
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: a large guy, right, I'm running. Yeah, but you're ripped,

1197
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: you're p ninety X. Guy, man, you're ripped. You just

1198
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm coming back from an A C. I got my

1199
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: first A C L rehab. But but again, you go

1200
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: back a couple of years ago. I was at the

1201
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: Final Four with my son and some Syracuse guy kids

1202
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: when Syracuse went to the Final four, and like, this

1203
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: is where people One they don't understand television, and two

1204
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: they don't actually listen to what you're saying right of

1205
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: where we're getting the tournament or whatever. I mean, a

1206
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: guy you like wanted to go. He wanted to challenge me,

1207
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, I'm watching the game. My

1208
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: son's right here, Like what's the matter with you? Like,

1209
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: what is what is wrong with you? Let you go?

1210
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: You want to go? You wanna go? You hate the

1211
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: queues you had that? Like I was like, did my

1212
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: mom went there, My cousin went there, my grandma and

1213
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: grandpa went there, Like yeah I wanna go, Yeah, I

1214
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: want to I wanna go right here. I feel like

1215
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: you go outside, I'll meet you there in like fifteen minutes.

1216
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: I'll beat it. Lets go. The one thing that did

1217
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: happen I had to call the police. Michigan State fans

1218
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: showed up in my daughter's work Michigan stuff. My daughter

1219
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: was scoop and ice cream in high school downtown's Iansville, Indiana,

1220
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: Michigan State fans showed up and started asking about her dad,

1221
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: where he lived, that kind of stuff, and uh, I

1222
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: had to get the police involved in that, so I yes,

1223
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: I yess here. Here here's a question. So when you

1224
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: live in in southern California, UM, very different. Right in

1225
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: terms of your school, It's like there's U S C

1226
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: U C L A guy right, Well, you're in the Midwest,

1227
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,959
Speaker 1: you're in the South, like your school is everything. Yeah.

1228
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: Is it better to be in an area where people

1229
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: they might get mad, but they don't really give a

1230
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: ship or a place where they give a ship so

1231
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: much that the one off Looney Tune is gonna is

1232
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna find out with your daughter's scoops? Yeah, I like

1233
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: this better. I didn't like that, but I love this

1234
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: like I love you know. Um, you know, Indiana's an

1235
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: interesting state. We went to the state finals when I

1236
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: was eighteen or seventeen years old and and and people

1237
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: know you even from that. So, um, I like it.

1238
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: But there is the one off and the world is

1239
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: getting a little crazier, like, I never thought I would

1240
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: buy a gun. I'm anti gun. I my my, I

1241
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: just never had guns. I mean I grew up in Gary.

1242
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: I didn't need a gun. What do you need? But

1243
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna get a gun because I think, you know,

1244
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I got a letter. I got a letter.

1245
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: I get letters at home, and I got Doug. I

1246
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: got a box from an un our thing. This is

1247
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the basketball season. I'm kind of like,

1248
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 1: remember Anthrax when that was, right, I'm soon you're going, man.

1249
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: So we debated whether or not to open the box

1250
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: or called you know, I didn't want to call bomb squad, right,

1251
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: but I mean, and it was handwritten on it, so

1252
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: I opened it. You know it's in it a bag

1253
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: full of Dicks gummies. You can parently buy it. So

1254
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: my wife and I started laughing, right, We're like, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if they taste good? Right, and I never They

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Speaker 1: just threw it away. But guys sitting back, that would

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Speaker 1: have been a great bit right there. No, I know,

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Speaker 1: no sack ups, right, We're like, what hold on, I

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Speaker 1: gotta you know, I mean, who did that's much? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you do have local radio, that's must listen. I know it.

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Speaker 1: I know it, but I'm trying not to encourage the behavior.

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Speaker 1: But I am talking about it. Being sent to your

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Speaker 1: house is the part that you know. That's the part like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get mail all the time. You know, you're an

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Speaker 1: ass whatever. But the scent to my house stuff. You

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Speaker 1: sit there and you go, hey, man, uh so I

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Speaker 1: my wife her family is big in the guns. First

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Speaker 1: time I was at my wife's house, I had to

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Speaker 1: play the robber. They were teaching her mother how to

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Speaker 1: hide from a from an intruder. And here's this old

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Speaker 1: cultorly lady. The first time, first time I've ever met him.

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Speaker 1: She jumps out with a gun. Freeze mother. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, ship, this is awesome, right, Like, so, hey,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go down. I can talk to you for hours. Man. Okah,

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Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got two things, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you go. Okay, Uh, Indiana basketball can Mike?

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Speaker 1: Will I do it? Yeah? Looked at the expectations are

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Speaker 1: so low right now, Doug make the tournament. You're a hero.

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Speaker 1: Mike's got a cool way about it. Man, He's got

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Speaker 1: a great way about talking to players. He legitimately um

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Speaker 1: cares and he legitimately is a tough guy. And I

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Speaker 1: think Indiana basketball at some point this year is gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the top ten. And I think Indiana basketball

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Speaker 1: is gonna get back to the top of the Big ten.

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Speaker 1: I do. And I think I think Mike's a perfect guy. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And the last one is Okay, new show which is

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Speaker 1: not yet named. It starts win October eleven on I'll

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Speaker 1: kick three sixty um YouTube and uh, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: from my basement and I'd love to have you on

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Speaker 1: and we'll continue this conversation because these are the will

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Speaker 1: you try a bag of dicks and we see if

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Speaker 1: they were in back taste I got. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to one for you, one for me, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a taste. Yeah. Yeah, that may be the first thing. Look,

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Speaker 1: everybody tells me, particularly in Kentucky, that's a big statement

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Speaker 1: in Kentucky for some reason, d eat a big bag

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Speaker 1: of dicks. Okay, So here it is. Here's a big bag.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. So I love you, list cock soon. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on, I know you gotta go. Thanks, my brother.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that. That was That was fun.

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Speaker 1: That was really fun. By the way, the Doug Gotlip

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Speaker 1: Show daily three to six Eastern twelve to three Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio or the I Heart Radio app. UM.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying kJ live, which is part of

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Speaker 1: the feed now. My man Chris Johnson Kristan Johnson was

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Speaker 1: a teammate of Mind growing up as NAU player. Then

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Speaker 1: he played at u C l A. And of course

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Speaker 1: he and his brother Josiah, they like dominate the world

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Speaker 1: in social media. They're both brilliant, brilliant guys. You'll enjoy

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Speaker 1: that kJ Live And I thought it's a partnership that

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Speaker 1: works because we're talking to similar people that we had

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Speaker 1: similar experiences with from very very different perspectives. All right,

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Speaker 1: keep it tuned. We've got great stuff in front of us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Doug Galliban. This

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Speaker 1: is all ball