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Speaker 1: Hello, once again, Welcome to Bill's training camp on a

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Speaker 1: rainy day at Saint John Fisher gotas John Murphy along

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Speaker 1: with Steve Tasking and despite the rain, the Bills didn't

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Speaker 1: practice today, and we got our first glimpse of new

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Corey Coleman. He's gonna come on our show

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Speaker 1: at twelve thirty. His new offensive coordinators trying to get

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Speaker 1: him acclimated to this new system. And we've got Bill's

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Brian Dable with us to discuss this new

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Speaker 1: weapon and the quarterback battle which is I'm going. And

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Speaker 1: also my old buddy Darryl Tally is in camp today.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna join us as well, and he's got to

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Speaker 1: give us his thoughts about Tremaine Edmonds and some other

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Speaker 1: stuff the Bills have got going on. All of that

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Speaker 1: in NFL Network. Shawn O'Hara coming up. One Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: starts right now, O time, and good afternoon, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Saint John Fisher College on the campus here at

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Speaker 1: Saint John Fisher College, Pittsburgh, New York, chest outside Rochester.

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Jasker, Welcome to a Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 1: One Bills. I'm laughing because we got our crew. We

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Speaker 1: have two lights that shine on this is a dark day.

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Speaker 1: It's rain. It's pouring rain here and it's dark, and

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Speaker 1: we have two stage lights that kind of helped the

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Speaker 1: TV people on MSG and right before we went in

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Speaker 1: the air one of them, like ten seconds, one of

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Speaker 1: them crapped out. They're scrambling. There's scrambling. He had one job, man,

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Speaker 1: he had one job. There's no payoff to be raining

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Speaker 1: the crew. They're trying. Plus they're kind of slashing around

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Speaker 1: nine forty five this morning. Practice started. Actually it was

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Speaker 1: earlier in the NAT Practice started at eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't raining then Steve and I around the roof of

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Speaker 1: the stadium doing our hit on social media. But about

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Speaker 1: what half hour forty five minutes into practice, want to say,

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Speaker 1: about nine thirty, it started raining. It started raining hard,

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Speaker 1: it got bad. And now and after practice and it

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Speaker 1: has been you know, it's been a while since practice

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Speaker 1: over Now it's really started to pick up and it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pouring, I mean pouring rain. If something happens, we'll

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Speaker 1: some stuff that we're um, we've got in the can

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Speaker 1: ready for you. But also yeah, if it starts to

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Speaker 1: lightning and stuff, we're leaving. Yeah, we're out. We're leafing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll stay here until we hear the lightning. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to fix our light. Please bear with us, and you

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Speaker 1: can see we're all right. I mean, we got half

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Speaker 1: a light. We're good. We're half lights on Steve. That's

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Speaker 1: all that really matters. We're half Steve lit Hey. Good

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Speaker 1: show coming up for you today. As we said, practice,

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Speaker 1: I think kind of a little bit short with the weather,

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Speaker 1: but mostly see this was a essentially a Friday practice, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean I watched early stages. Um, it looked like

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Speaker 1: mechanics of having a game. First game obviously the year.

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Speaker 1: Not the most exciting practice to watch. You got guys,

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's about seventy four degrees, which as cool

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Speaker 1: rundown the newest Buffalo Bill, Corey Coleman's gonna sit down

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Speaker 1: Coleman's going to join us twelve thirty today, one fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable the new offense of coordinating for the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: We will try to squeeze out the tails of what

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Speaker 1: The one thing I get from watching practice out of

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Speaker 1: people have said this too, and you can see it

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Speaker 1: vice versa. It's going to be an offense the idea

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Speaker 1: over the years, the Patriots week to week will change

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Speaker 1: different team almost week to week. It seems that's what

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Speaker 1: Daba wants to with this Buffalo offense. Have the versatility

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Speaker 1: great guest coming up at one through. They're all good guests,

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Speaker 1: but Daryl Talley, one of the all time favorite Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill Steve's old team here visiting camp. He's been around

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Speaker 1: the five presidents? Well I'm on the loop? Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: Cornelius Bennett, Daryl Talley, myself, Will Woolford is on there.

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Speaker 1: Even now it's a seven president Oh yeah, but there's

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Speaker 1: and coming up at the two o'clock hour, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: check out over the phone with Shaun O'Hara, longtime NFL

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman who now works and it has worked for

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Speaker 1: several years for the NFL network. He was here at camp.

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Speaker 1: game number one, we want to get your thoughts at

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Speaker 1: we sat, we had this big conversation on the way home.

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Speaker 1: Yet you start to work on your spot or boards.

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Speaker 1: You know, the cores that we have in front of us.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've got I've got, you know, one hundred

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Speaker 1: a uh, most of them. It's not a thing I stuck.

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Speaker 1: I tuck them away. But it's not like their prize possessions.

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Speaker 1: to do it. But yeah, but you make them. But

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Speaker 1: the reason you make them is and you're the same

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Speaker 1: I've tried them. I don't It's better if I just

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Speaker 1: power twenty minute power nap. I'm really getting really good.

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Speaker 1: See I can't do the twa minute man. See I

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Speaker 1: did my spotting board. It took until it was two

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Speaker 1: how much do I? How badly do I need to

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Speaker 1: see this guy play? I think in this case, first

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Speaker 1: round quarterback, seventh overall, you need to see if he

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Speaker 1: could be your answer. This is all about September ninth.

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Speaker 1: This is all about Baltimore Raven totally. He could be

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback to go in there on September ninth.

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Speaker 1: He's got the best arm. He's got, he's the best

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Speaker 1: at the position. Now can he do everything required? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Let's find out. It's all about it out

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, listen. That's that's I'll agree with you one thing.

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Speaker 1: It's all about reps. If you can give him every

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Speaker 1: single rep in the preseason for four games, that's four

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Speaker 1: games into his development. If you're if you're, you know,

437
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Speaker 1: hell bent on starting this guy September ninth, he should

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Speaker 1: take every rep in the preseason. You'll move him a

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Speaker 1: month further down the road than he would be right now.

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Speaker 1: How what do you think about that? I think that's

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Speaker 1: too much. Why because he could get hurt. You're exposing

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Speaker 1: him to injury. I think it's too much. But I'd

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Speaker 1: say give him significant reps with the ones. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just talking about Thursday night here. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he, you know, implodes Thursday night. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to see him play. Maybe he's not ready. Well we

447
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Speaker 1: can find that out Thursday night and then give the other,

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Speaker 1: whoever it is, aj Or Peterman, a ton of repsle

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Thursday, listen. He's not ready to play? Uh,

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Speaker 1: he could be he's not ready to play. Oh, he

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Speaker 1: could be. He's been practicing for two weeks. It's a pro. Yeah.

452
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Speaker 1: And the other guys don't have a significant experience either. Hey,

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Speaker 1: j mccare's a four year veteran with five games he's played.

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Speaker 1: He's practiced two hundred times more than Josh Allen at

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Speaker 1: this level five games played, four or five games. I'll

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Speaker 1: come on, man, let's hear from you. The lines are

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Speaker 1: open eight O three five fifty to three one eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. What's your quarterback plan

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Speaker 1: for Thursday? Eight? What would you do? What would you

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Speaker 1: like to see happen? Now? Would you predict? I think

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Speaker 1: we all have a sense of how it might go,

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Speaker 1: But what what? How would you have of the quarterbacks this?

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to like my plan more and more. Okay,

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Speaker 1: play Josh Allen every single snap of the preseason. That

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Speaker 1: would put him four games into his career. And it

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Speaker 1: would be like getting four games that were football one

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Speaker 1: oh one at NFL speed, NFL NFL Sea preseason, and

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Speaker 1: then number four lately. Listen, I know, but here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: That's a ton of snaps and a ton of reps,

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Speaker 1: and he'd get Yeah, he'd be significantly better. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a few calls on this. Bob calling from Rochester. Bob,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this issue. What do you think? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm no head coach and the coach of

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Speaker 1: staff doing a fine job, I think. But if you

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Speaker 1: got the three guys, you take the two preseason games

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Speaker 1: you got first split in the thirds and just give

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Speaker 1: everybody a crack with the best team you can put

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Speaker 1: out there with him and buy the third preseason game.

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Speaker 1: You might have a freakod gauge with who you've got

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Speaker 1: to go with. Anybody can stop up. And even though

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Speaker 1: he had a terrible season last year, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't like the kid from Pitt, but we'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, Peterman have a terrible season. He had

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Speaker 1: a very rough first start. It Bills won his second start.

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Speaker 1: You know the kid put him in. Let him he's

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Speaker 1: a great kid. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's right, And

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Speaker 1: that's that's a good fun there. People chiming in on

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Speaker 1: Twitter the same. Frederick Grundell Gundal says Peterman should start

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Speaker 1: play Josh the second half. AJ's proven a second stringer,

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Speaker 1: he should remain there. Nate did not get a fair

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Speaker 1: shake and is a draft pick as well. See how

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Speaker 1: Josh has progressed, So you know, they're kind of along

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Speaker 1: the same line. There's a lot of people, and I

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Speaker 1: think whether it's because they know they've seen Peterman practice

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Speaker 1: or seen him throw it, or seen him play, or

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Speaker 1: maybe they're just nothing but have seen him play on

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Speaker 1: TV and the games that he played, and they want

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Speaker 1: to see more of him. But there's a there's an

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Speaker 1: under underground current there a little bit for Nate Peterman retemption.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this in the car on the way

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Speaker 1: down here today a headline about the quarterback battle. They

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Speaker 1: both got my attention. Anyway, I want to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this bill's Quarterback Watch Day ten, Nathan Peterman

504
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Speaker 1: puts on a show talking about yesterday's practice. Now, I

505
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Speaker 1: watched yesterday's practice. I didn't see the show. I didn't

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Speaker 1: thought it was another day for Nathan Peterman. Some good moments,

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Speaker 1: some yeah, okay moments, nothing too terrible, nothing too It

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Speaker 1: was a day for Josh Allen. Thought if any of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks put on the show, it might have been

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen yesterday. And what's the point. It's the weird

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Speaker 1: point of day, man, Yeah, we all come away. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown said there yesterday and talking about how well

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen he thought yesterday, And I agree some of that.

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Speaker 1: But if you come in and take a snapshot on

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Speaker 1: any given day, and if you come in untrained eye

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Speaker 1: on any given day, you're gonna get you know, a

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Speaker 1: couple of different opinions. Yeah, I don't think you put

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Speaker 1: a show on yesterday, Peterman. Yeah, he was good. And

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Speaker 1: I said this in response to that, I said, sometimes

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Speaker 1: because they are I mean both, they're both fifth round picks.

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Speaker 1: They both have that physical ability that you get from

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Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. And if you switch their jersey

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Speaker 1: numbers sometimes I don't know if anybody, just anybody could

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Speaker 1: tell a difference. You know, they throw the ball the same,

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Speaker 1: They throw the ball accurately as well as the other there,

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Speaker 1: it comes out of their hand the same, unless you

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Speaker 1: know what plays called where they're throwing it. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to tell a difference. They're getting the same

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Speaker 1: amount of reps. You know, they're getting the same amount

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Speaker 1: of time with the ones. The twos around the guys

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Speaker 1: around them are rotated equally with both of them. It's

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Speaker 1: really hard to discern a big market difference between Peterman

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Speaker 1: and McCarron. And that's just the way I see it,

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Speaker 1: and that overall during training camp and I and whether

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Speaker 1: anybody has separated themselves in other ways, well that remains

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Speaker 1: to be seen, and we're gonna find out. From the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet, how would you handle the quarterbacks on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: From TJ? What's your plan? What do you like to

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Speaker 1: see fro the quarterbacks? The playing time? Thursday? TJ tweets

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Speaker 1: in first quarter, AJ second quarter, Nate second half, Josh,

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Speaker 1: let's go Buffalo. I can live with that. I can

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Speaker 1: live with that. I could see that something like that

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Speaker 1: may be happening too. As a matter of fact, Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I'm I'll say it again, Reps

545
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Speaker 1: or the thing. Whoever gets the most rep is going

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Speaker 1: to be the most ready to play. And if they're

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Speaker 1: all dead, even if it's a horse race, pick one

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Speaker 1: of them and get him Reps in this offense with

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Speaker 1: some guys and let him start to get improved through

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Speaker 1: this month of the preseason. From the tweet sheet from Jeremiahken,

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Speaker 1: play the rook the entire se a half, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: let's play in the first half. That's what I want

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Speaker 1: to see. But I got it. I understand where you're

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Speaker 1: coming from. People want to see Josh Allen. I want

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Speaker 1: to see Josh Allen and in this game. I'm not

556
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Speaker 1: talking about an I'm not thinking anything beyond this game

557
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Speaker 1: as far as this question is concerned. I want to

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Speaker 1: see Josh Allen playing. See him start. I'll call here

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Speaker 1: from Kim in Angola. Go ahead, Kim, you're on the air.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, gentlemen. My Hi. My opinion would be I

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Speaker 1: would like to see a d McCarron in the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: I would like to see Nate in the second quarter,

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to see Josh to play the whole

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Speaker 1: second half. Hang up and listening. Tell us why, Kim, Well,

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Speaker 1: tell me why? Why do you why that plan? Kim? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Because I think a j needs a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an experience if he's going to be playing starder if

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Speaker 1: he is. I don't think Nate got a good uh

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Speaker 1: experienced last year. I mean he wasn't the only one.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I've really stopped him in the game. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's been through five interceptions in the game. So

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Speaker 1: you to future fall of Famer, and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see Josh game time experience. Okay, one thing about Peterman,

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Speaker 1: and we've mentioned this on the show. I even think

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Speaker 1: before we came to camp, to me the Chargers game,

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Speaker 1: the five interceptions first half, I don't think anybody in

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Speaker 1: a position here to make the quarterback decision cares about that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like, well, we

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Speaker 1: can't play Nathan Peterman. He threw five picks in the

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Speaker 1: first half. I don't think that's even on the table.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they can say that now. The way

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Speaker 1: he played, the way he threw, the way he played

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Speaker 1: against the Colts a couple of weeks later, all of

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Speaker 1: that is on the table. And quite frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: they felt like he handled himself pretty well in those

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Speaker 1: couple of games. You can't admit there's months and months

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Speaker 1: of pass and hundreds of hours. You know, this coaching

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Speaker 1: staff is spent spent with Peterman. He's got it. He's

589
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Speaker 1: learning a new offense, he's got new teammates, he's thrown

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Speaker 1: to a different core wide receivers. There's a million things

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Speaker 1: that are more recent and more relevant to his evaluation

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback than of the first half of the

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Speaker 1: game he played against the Chargers a year ago, and

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Speaker 1: so that is in there, and I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: take it completely off the table. I get it, it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it raises some huge red flags,

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00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: no question, But I think more so not about the result,

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Speaker 1: but about how it got to that result. What were

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Speaker 1: the things he did inside that game that give you

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Speaker 1: pause and will make you want to say, hey, you

601
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: know we need to work on this, work on that.

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, he's spent the last eight months

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Speaker 1: doing just that, working on all the things that needed

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Speaker 1: to be worked on after that game. Step we're talking

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks playing Thursday night. You think Corey Coleman, the

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Speaker 1: new receiver, will get many snaps or do you think

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Speaker 1: he'll have a seat Thursday. I'm thinking he'll have a seat.

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Speaker 1: But a couple of days is a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: and all really need to do if you're gonna if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna give it like a preseason game, you want

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Speaker 1: to get him some fast reps and get a look

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Speaker 1: at him in uniform. I give him three or four

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Speaker 1: plays and uh, and go out and call him and

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Speaker 1: see what he does. We'll see what he thinks. Corey

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Speaker 1: Coleman to anybody to join us next time the show.

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Speaker 1: Skies are brightening here in Pittsburgh on the east side

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Speaker 1: of Rochester, and the rain has stopped for now. We

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Speaker 1: think there's forecast for more rain coming. The Bills got

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Speaker 1: in their work on the field, a short practice, kind

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Speaker 1: of a Friday type of practice a couple of days

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Speaker 1: in their mechanical stuff with substitution patterns, etc. And now

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Speaker 1: here for a walk through later today. We're here until three.

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Speaker 1: Got a good show. We got Brian Dabble, the offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: coming up next hour. Darryl Talley will join us at

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Speaker 1: one thirty. Sean O'Hara from the NFL Network in the

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Speaker 1: two o'clock hour, and coming up next the new Bills

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Corey Coleman. He'll join us right here on

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill wife receiver Corey Coleman, who was acquired in

636
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: a trade just a couple of days ago. Congratulations walking

637
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills. Thank you. I'm excited to be here,

638
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: are you? Yes, a little bit of an other people

639
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: that would it shock you to get the trade notice

640
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: of the other day? And no, I didn't suck me.

641
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah did you did you anticipate something was gonna happen? Um? Yeah,

642
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: that's a different story, but yeah, yeah, I knew it

643
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: was coming. Oh did you Okay? That's so do you

644
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: you did you have Is there a list of teams

645
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: that you had that you knew there was interest was coming?

646
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Or was it? Was it this conversation particular between the

647
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Bills and the Browns? Um, I think it was just

648
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: particularly between It happens so fast. They didn't give I

649
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: don't think give anyone else opportunity to the even I

650
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: got you. You know you had two hand injuries. Did

651
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: you both hands or was it one hand? We both

652
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: same yeah, yeah, in same hands, same man and the

653
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: first time. Um, they told me not to get surgery.

654
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: So I'll come back the next year, I get surgery.

655
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: You had to get surgery because they broke broke it again. Right, wow,

656
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I want to take you back to the training And

657
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: I asked the GM here Brandon being about this yesterday

658
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: there were rumors there were reports that the Bills and

659
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: the Browns were talking about moving you months ago. Right,

660
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: did you hear that, like back in the springtime? So

661
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: this maybe that's why I wasn't much of a surprise.

662
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: But what's it like playing on a team when you

663
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: know there's open rumors about, hey, we might trade this guy,

664
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: we might we might move this guy. It's gotta be difficult,

665
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: I would think, right, but um, it is. It is difficult.

666
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Back then, I don't think you know, the rumors were

667
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: really true. But you know, I had a discussion with

668
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: one of the coaches, and you know, I stuff went on,

669
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes in life you gotta make the

670
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: best decision for you, right, you know, especially as a

671
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: man in my future. So you know that's what it

672
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: led to now that you're now that you're a Buffalo

673
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: Bill and you look back on your time, and isn't

674
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: your hard feelings made regret or anything like that. I mean,

675
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: you're just gonna wish it, obviously, everybody wish you worked

676
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: out better, But no, no regret. Man, When I was

677
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, a locker room with the guys, unbelievable. Man,

678
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: that was a great group of guys over there. I

679
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: got so much respect for my um ex teammates, for teammates,

680
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: former teammates, and the city. You know they treated me

681
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: well too, you know, So that's what I have to say.

682
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: That's good. You know I had a good time. You

683
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: know that they did draft me, they believed in me,

684
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: and stuff just don't work out in life, and you

685
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: know you got to move on, Corey. Was it difficult

686
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: to play and not have success as a team? I

687
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: mean what you have one regular season win over two years.

688
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: It's had a tough environment to play in and to

689
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: keep getting up going to work all the time. Man's

690
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: it's crazy that I hope nobody ever gets to feel

691
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: the way that made me feel. That that broke my heart.

692
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: You know, no, you you know that you're putting in

693
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the work and still coming up short. You know, it's

694
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: it's it was difficult. It was rough, you know, and

695
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: you know it's still can't work every day, and you

696
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: know that what was supposed to, you know, and just

697
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: don't work out. Sure, talk a little bit about how

698
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: now that you're you're landed here in Buffalo, you're you

699
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: come up, you pass your physical, which I mean you

700
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: were in training camp with the Browns, right, I mean

701
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: you should have been pretty healthy that the physical was

702
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: a formality. Talk about it. He got rained on your

703
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: first practice, that kind of stunt. Tell us about the

704
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: atmosphere here. What's the vibe coming out of Buffalo now

705
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: that you're you know, fresh set of eyes on this,

706
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Like my biggest thing, Like all the guys

707
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: here great. They're like like really great guys, like you know,

708
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: mean like everybody's for the team, whatever's gonna help the

709
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: team win, like therefore, and they're so you know, passionate

710
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: and stuff about you know, details of small things how

711
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: you win football games, even like at practice, how coaches

712
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: explaining stuff. You know, when I had to meet in

713
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: with our GM, you know, it's just like it's just

714
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: amazing me. How like like everybody so like nice and

715
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, great family guys. Just you know, be a

716
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: good guy, Like there are a lot of good guys

717
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: on this team. Do you think you're looking forward to

718
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: you think you can thrive in this environment. You think

719
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna be your spot. I mean, oh, that's

720
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: what you're planning. Yeah, I think that's gonna be my spot.

721
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I hope I'm you know, for the rest of my career.

722
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo builds with Corey Coleman builds a wide receiver just

723
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: acquired in the trade. On Sunday, when the trade comes

724
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: down and you get word, do you immediately go somewhere

725
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: and say, who's there? Who are the other receivers? Who

726
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: am I? Who am I in the meeting room with?

727
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: And do you know any of these guys? Have you

728
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: led around these guys? I know some of the guys

729
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, And I really wouldn't looking up. I'm like,

730
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in and compete and be the best

731
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: version of you know, Corey Coleman. To me, that's how

732
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: I feel. And you know, um, that's my whole mindset.

733
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: Like like I said, everyone's like, oh you poster or anything,

734
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: you got something to prove. That's the way, you know.

735
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: I wake up and think, like you know, and I

736
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: want to help this organization be the best version. Yeah,

737
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: what is the best version of you? What can you

738
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: do for a team. I feel like I can come

739
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: in here and contribute right away, you know, make plays

740
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever they need me to do. Already

741
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: told the coach I'm there, I'm alla for I don't

742
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: even need to ask questions. You know, I'm on board.

743
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk you about it. I think your rookie year,

744
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Week two, Baltimore UM one hundred four yards two touchdowns

745
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: against the Ravens in your second career game. Um, did

746
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: you think I got this down? I got right? Two

747
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: games in and you're you're putting up two touchdowns one

748
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: hundred four yards receiving right, And I had you know,

749
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: I had a good quarterback. I had know. Uh, Josh McCollen. Yeah,

750
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: you know he's older vet um been in the league.

751
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: He was helping me out, you know, guiding me, you know,

752
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: developed me, doing stuff that other people should have done.

753
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: He was he was there, he was my you know,

754
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: if I needed anything, he was there. Yeah, especially with

755
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: me coming in and being so young, and you know

756
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: we both got hurt that week. Come back, I don't

757
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: play with him again. That's that's that's the week you

758
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: got hurt. That's when you broke your hand went to Yeah,

759
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I broke my hand and he had a shoulder injury,

760
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: which six or eight weeks after that, yeah, like seven

761
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: weeks and we both came back the same week, I believe,

762
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't play. I played, He never played, and

763
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: then he became a jet, right he Jack disappears, right,

764
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: that's yeah, Well, welcome to the NFL. So so ill

765
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you know I never played. Little discussing Steve and I

766
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: have on the show a lot, and Steve is a

767
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: former receiver obviously, but he always says I think he's

768
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: right that the quarterbacks make the receiver and not vice

769
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: versa your receiver. Do you feel that way, like it

770
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: really matters who's the guy who's throwing two years? It does,

771
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: especially when you're a young guy, like you have this

772
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: chemistry with you know, like a chemistry with Josh and

773
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: that's who you know, I had the stats, so you

774
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: want me to um do well and stuff, and you

775
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: know I never played with him again. So for a

776
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: young guy, it does, Like, you know, a quarterback can

777
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: teach you a lot of things, especially an older guy

778
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: who's experienced a lot of stuff in football. You know,

779
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a big for me. When you

780
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: come out of the huddle and you know you your quarterback,

781
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: like he's throwing you the ball and he likes you,

782
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: and he's told you like, I like the way you

783
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: do this. I like the way you're done. He's throwing

784
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: you the ball. A lot. When you're in there together

785
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: and taking reps in practice, your whole mindset as a

786
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: receiver changes because when you know you're getting the huddle

787
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: with that guy, you got a chance, right, and and

788
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 1: and and like the crazy thing, Like it's crazy because

789
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: one of my touchdowns, like we were so like had chemistry.

790
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: One of my touchdowns, I ran their own route, you know,

791
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: or in her own route, and I still score. But

792
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: he just knew me and he was so insane and

793
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: we just saw what you saw. Yeah, he saw what

794
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I saw. So I took. I took the middle of

795
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: the field, like went to score, Like I boost want

796
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: to stop. But yeah, but he just clicked in his

797
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: head because he's practiced with me. He knows, you know.

798
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: So when you have someone like that, it helps out

799
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot. Oh you're kidding, that's the best. So you know,

800
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: besides getting yell at, I'm getting congratulations, you know, right,

801
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: So what and What did he say to you after

802
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: he threw the touchdown? Like that's when he found he

803
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: goes at new I saw you know right, he's such

804
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: a great feeling. He knew we talked about all the time.

805
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: He used to talk to me like Corey this this

806
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: he was man, he was He was a good person

807
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: to be around with. Corey Coleman, Bill's new wide Receiver.

808
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your relationship with Ray Crockett.

809
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: We're told that you have a strong relationship with a

810
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: long time NFL veteran. How did that begin and what

811
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: sort of relationship do you have with him? Um, good

812
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: relationship man. It's like you know my godfather. I say

813
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: it started when I was young. You know, I grew

814
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: up my mom and two sisters in Dallas. Um, you know,

815
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: so when we had hard times and stuff. Um my

816
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: mom worked a lot, hard working lady. Um Pops Pops

817
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: in prison, my um real father. So I remember I

818
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: was running in the street, I believe, and um, racing

819
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. And then Ray seeing me, he was like, hey,

820
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: I want to give you a scholarship. Like huh, scholarship

821
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: for what? Run? Track track team? He's like, I come

822
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: get you every day, like you know, I'm in I'm

823
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: in the hood, like you know, I'm gonna come get you,

824
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: you know. So it was like, wow, I don't have

825
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: to pay for nothing. You know, my mom we wasn't

826
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: doing so hot. So he like basically took me in.

827
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: So I started, you know, basically living with him for

828
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: like a summer or two. I lived with him, I believe,

829
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: and he was just you know, getting me involved, keeping

830
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: me out of the trouble where I'm from. Like a

831
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: lot of people don't a lot of people don't make it,

832
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: make it out of there, so it's easy. Like a

833
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: lot of my friends you know, fell in the system.

834
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: So he was just basically like a good role model

835
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: on me. She's always keeping me active with sports, football,

836
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, just basketball, um, just showing me it's a

837
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: better life than where I was at. Like you know,

838
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: you do what you gotta do, you handle business. You

839
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: can get your mom out of this, you know place

840
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So that's why I like to

841
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, like give back, like to you know, talk

842
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: to kids, because you never know what impact you'll have

843
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: on someone. Like he was right. Hunt Crockett was right. Yeah,

844
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: it was right, I mean you made it. Is he

845
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Speaker 1: why you went to Baylor? UM one of the reasons,

846
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: but really because of coach coach Browns, you know, but

847
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: definitely he's one of the reasons too. When I told him,

848
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Speaker 1: he was excited. Yeah. Hey, last thing, Corey, the last

849
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: top I can want to get on. Do you feel

850
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: as if you get a chance to kind of reboot

851
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: your career, restart your career and now, you know, you

852
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: change teams a couple of years in fifteenth overall pick

853
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Speaker 1: and here you are in Buffalo. Do you feel like

854
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Speaker 1: this is a fresh start for you coming up? Um? Yeah,

855
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I do, I really do. I feel like, you know,

856
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Speaker 1: this is my year. And I felt like that when

857
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Speaker 1: I was in the UM at that other place, Um,

858
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Speaker 1: I felt that way. We had new you know, coaching

859
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Speaker 1: staffs and stuff. Yeah, and new offense and it was

860
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: everything was it was clicking, you know. So I feel

861
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: like you're three for me? Is is big and I

862
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: know that our coaches here have you know, big plans

863
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Speaker 1: for me, and I'm ready to roll. I'm excited. I

864
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know how excited. They got plans for your Thursday night,

865
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: you think you'll see action in the first preseason. Um,

866
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. You want to Yeah, I

867
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Speaker 1: want to play. I love this game. Yeah, you really

868
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: want to play in the next preseason game. I don't

869
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: know if you heard we headed Cleveland play whose name

870
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: will not be mentioned, that you want to play against them? Sure?

871
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Speaker 1: The other teams ay, best of luck coming on, best

872
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: of luck, man, it's awesome. Corey Coleman Bills receiver new

873
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: receiver acquired in the trade. On Sunday night, John Murphy

874
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Speaker 1: steam tasker back up more in a moment one Bills

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Speaker 1: Live from training camp on Buffalo Bill's radio. Back John

876
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Speaker 1: Murphy Steve cask One goes live from Buffalo Bill's training

877
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Speaker 1: camp or thanks to Corey Coleman for joining us our

878
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Speaker 1: our Twitter question today, not a pull, but a question.

879
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: We want to interact with you on this. What should

880
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: the Bills plan be with the quarterbacks in Thursday's first

881
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: preseason game? Now what it will be? We all have

882
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: thoughts about what we think they'll do. But what would

883
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: you do if you were the coach? Give us a

884
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: call eight three five fifty toll free one eight eight

885
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: eight by fifty two fifty. Corey Coleman says he wants

886
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Speaker 1: to play Thursday, and I don't blame him. You know,

887
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: he's practice few weeks. Why couldn't he played a little bit?

888
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: And if you were the head coach, he'd be played

889
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen starting the game. What what you'd start?

890
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: You want to you're playing with our twitter question? You

891
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: want to start Josh all Right? But yeah, Corey Coleman

892
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: does want to play. I mean, and I get it.

893
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: He wants to come in and play, and I think

894
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. It's a good place for you

895
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: want the guy to want to play. I don't think

896
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Speaker 1: it's pretty likely, very likely I'm going to see him,

897
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: and I do think I do love the question today

898
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: on the Twitter thing about the quarterbacks and what would

899
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, because everybody has strong opinions when their

900
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: job doesn't depend on whether it has to happen or

901
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: be successful. Sean McDermott met the media earlier today and

902
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: was asked about Corey Coleman. Will he play on Thursday

903
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: against Carolina Panthers? What did he think of the trade.

904
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: Here's what the head coach of the Buffalo Bill said

905
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Speaker 1: about Corey Coleman. You know, I think Brannan and Joe

906
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: Shane and the scouting staff you know, did a nice

907
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: job of identifying Corey as a guy that you know

908
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: could potentially help us. UM and then what was the

909
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: second part of expectations. Expectations is to really come in

910
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: and you know, get his feet um firmly on the ground,

911
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: starting to understand what we do, how we do things,

912
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and and um, you know, really become the best version

913
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: of himself. And we've got tremendous resources around here to

914
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: help him do that. You've seen different players do that

915
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: when they've come to the Buffalo Bills over the last

916
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: year and change. And whether it's Micah High, Jordan Poy

917
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: or just to name a few, you guys have named

918
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: some of the other ones in your articles that you write. Um,

919
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: and and so that's the that's the goal for Corey

920
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: is to get him in, get him acclimated, and uh,

921
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: get him in the current of what we do and

922
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: and and just can't wait to watch him, um really

923
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: just bloss him into the player we we believe he

924
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: can become. The trade was to me thinking about how

925
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: defense is play you and maybe not being able to

926
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: stack the box as much because you bring that speed

927
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: on the just the overall philosophy, but what you might

928
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: be able to do on offense because the defensive coordinator

929
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: at least has a threat to have a guy like

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00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: woman on the field. Yeah, there's there's always with a

931
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: with a trade, I'm gonna say always. Sometimes there's an

932
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: element of scheme baked into those decisions of the way

933
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: the game of what that person could do to the

934
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: defensive scheme that you're mentioning. Um, you know looked speed,

935
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: speed is dangerous, right, so it opens up the defense

936
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Speaker 1: a little bit, um for other for other things. Um,

937
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: so that element is important. Speed is not the only thing,

938
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Speaker 1: but it certainly helps. Oh, there you go. That is

939
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: Sean McDermot, head coach of the Buffalo Bills. We talked

940
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: about this a little bit yesterday and then you heard

941
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I think Sean kind of confirmed that part of their

942
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: belief with Corey Coleman is that they have the framework,

943
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: the groundwork for a good culture in place that can

944
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: maybe help Corey Coleman get to where he should be.

945
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Is the fifteenth overall pick, right, they're calling it. And

946
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman said it in our interview, the best version

947
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: of himself. Yeah, and he understands it. I mean, that's

948
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: he's It's clear that they've set him down and talked

949
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: to him about what they expect from him, what they

950
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: want for him, and he's ready to give it his

951
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: best shot to respond. But this that catchphrase best version

952
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: of himself seems to have stuck with him and he's

953
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna try and make it. Yeah, we'll see. I hope

954
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: he plays a little bit. I mean, fly downfield, Corey,

955
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: go catch this pass from Josh. Now, you're such a fan.

956
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: Once in a while, I am a fan. I can't.

957
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to Thursday's game. I am a fan.

958
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: I can't. Will you. You're a big fan in some respects,

959
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: and I cannot get you to drink the kool aid

960
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: on this defense. I thought the defense is better. I

961
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they're top ten. We'll see. I know

962
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: they're better, all right, A break coming up next And

963
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: when we were, we got a jam packed one o'clock hour.

964
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Brian Dayble, the Bill's offensive coordinator, gonna sit down with

965
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: us in the next hour. We're gonna sit down with

966
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: Darryl Talley, Steve, former teammate Bill's Wall of Famer. We're

967
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: gonna talk more about our topic of the day, how

968
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: would you use the quarterbacks Thursday night? And some news

969
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: interesting news on Ritchie incognito, Oh, not related to the Bills.

970
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: All of that coming up in the next hour. Come

971
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: on back one Bill's I've presented by Kalida Health. We're

972
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: coming here from Bill's training camp and this is Buffalo

973
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Bills Radio Network Stories Update update from Bill's

974
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: training camp. The Bills battle the rain today here at camp,

975
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: their eleventh camp practice. They had a good sized crowd

976
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: on hand a brief workout game day just two days

977
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: away now. Head coach On McDermott says he is not

978
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: yet ready to announce who he will play at quarterback

979
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: on thirteen, but he says the Bills we'll stick with

980
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: the plan that they've had him place for the first

981
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: few weeks at camp. Today's work out the first in

982
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo for newly acquired wide receiver Corey Coleman, picked up

983
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: at a trade on Sunday night. Mcdermant says he's not

984
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: sure whether Coleman will see action in the preseason game

985
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Bills in Carolina seven o'clock Thursday night at New Airfield.

986
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: Mark Kelso and I will have the radio broadcast along

987
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: with Salcapacho on the Bills Radio Network Thursday. Next training

988
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: camp practice for the Bills is coming Sunday to fifteen pm.

989
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: You need a ticket for that workout the Tails on

990
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: our website Buffalo Bills dot com. Aaron Donald's holdown from

991
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Ram continues he will not join the

992
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: team by the NFL Tuesday today deadline for players to

993
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: report to earn an a crude season for free agency.

994
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: According to ESPM, RAMS coach Sean McVay echoed a similar

995
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: sentiment when he spoke with the reporters. He says he

996
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: doesn't think anything he's going to change on that holdout

997
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: in the near future. Teddy bridgewaters come back from a

998
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: devastating knee injury continues to be one of the great

999
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: stories of the Jets training camp. Bridgewaters had a great

1000
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: camp so far. He's plays on the roster. Listen worry Bridgewater.

1001
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: He says he just wants to play. Brown's wide receiver.

1002
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry told Cleveland dot Com he's been lobbying the

1003
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: team to try to trade for his former teammate, his

1004
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: good buddy, Odell Beckham Junior. Landry traded to the Browns

1005
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: this offseason, signed a five year, seventy five point five

1006
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: million dollars attention with the team. He says Beckham he

1007
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: talks to him frequently. He says Beckham would definitely be

1008
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: open to playing in Cleveland and from college basketball. Michigan

1009
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: coach John Beelon, who led his team to the national

1010
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: title game, has undergone a successful heart procedure. The Western

1011
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: New York native expected to recover fully after he's released

1012
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: from the hospital. And that is the update from Buffalo

1013
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: Bill's training camp outside Rochester. Oh a good time, caspersser time.

1014
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Buffalo Bill's training camp for our number

1015
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: two on one Bills Live John Murphy's team casker Um

1016
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: in the up to now, I'm getting like him in you.

1017
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I just gotta say, that's my buddy, John Beanon. You

1018
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: know that we talked about that and I wish him well.

1019
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: I you know, I really wish him well. I heard

1020
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: about that procedure yesterday and hope he's gonna be okay.

1021
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: So we move on with our show. What's going on

1022
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: over here? You're dropping your water? Yeah, this rain has

1023
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: got us all discombobulated over here. We had to bolt

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00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: down the stanchions. Yesterday. Yeah, we were from We were

1025
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: a hot mess for just a minute. Well, let's talk

1026
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: about yesterday for a second. And it happened right after

1027
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Speaker 1: you and I went off the air at three o'clock,

1028
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: a seconds after rainy here, and then all of a sudden,

1029
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: augusta wind came and it essentially toppled the set behind us,

1030
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Speaker 1: which is pretty much makeshift metal and a little bit

1031
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: of mesh. It is steel girdler girders as you can see,

1032
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: and toppled right down on top of the desk here.

1033
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: We were not sitting here, which is good if that

1034
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 1: happens when we're on the air. Now we got problems.

1035
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Now you and I are off work for a couple

1036
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Speaker 1: of months, which you know, nothing new for you, but

1037
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Speaker 1: for me it would be m again to missus. Wow.

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00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: So that happened yesterday Today Todd Harry and his great

1039
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: staff here at Saint John Fisher hooked us up. He

1040
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: had his best man, Bob on the project. Bob came

1041
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: over here drilled holes into the concrete of the Pelicano

1042
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Speaker 1: Pavilion and now they are anchored down so that cannot

1043
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: happen again. We are told I'm going to take more

1044
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: time off. Yeah, you'll have stuff falling on you. Then

1045
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: you'll get days off for sure. But thanks for the

1046
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: folks here at Fisher They always look out for us,

1047
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: and they did again last year. They had to do

1048
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: a similar thing a little bit to the left of

1049
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: us here, so we're always We love it here at camp.

1050
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: We love training camp, love coming out here. We only

1051
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: got a few days left. I'm warming to training camp

1052
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: after years of just stam, what do you have one

1053
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: more day here after today? One? Yeah? Yeah, warming up.

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Speaker 1: I can see you're on fire with your desire for

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00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: training camp. Our Twitter poll today it's not a pole,

1056
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: but it deals with the Bills in their approach to

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00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: a Thursday Night's game. What should the Bills plan be

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00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks during Thursday's first preseason game? Let us

1059
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Speaker 1: know what you think full lines open eight oh three,

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Speaker 1: oh five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: fifty or tweeted in let us know what should the

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Speaker 1: plan be for the quarterbacks during Thursday's first preseason game.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to your calls and tweets at a moment.

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00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: There's this too, Steve. A little bit of news on

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00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Richie Incognito today, former Bill's offensive lineman who has stepped

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00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: aside for a while. Incognito did a recent interview with

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Speaker 1: TMZ who Else, in which he claimed that the Minnesota

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: Vikings reached out to him to show interests in him.

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00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: The Vikings say that's not the case. The Incognito quote

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00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: for TMZ, I'm mumming all options now. I've had calls

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00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: from Minnesota, Seattle. I really just don't want to go

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00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: to training camp, so we'll see today. Vikings coach Mike

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00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: Zimmer was asked about that at the Minnesota training camp.

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00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: He said false, there's no interest in Incognito. Totally falls.

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00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: He said, go ahead and tweet that. I don't know

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00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: what to make of it. Look, we root for I

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00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: root for Richie. We won't speak for you. I think

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00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: you root for Richie on the show good Guy. He's

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00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: had a troubling offseason. You know, based on his recent

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00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: past the last couple of years, you begin to wonder.

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00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: But he told reports, I didn't see the interview with

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00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: tm Z. They say he seemed upbeat, in a pretty

1083
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: good mood, and he said that the Vikings had contact

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00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: him and Mike Zimmer went to great pain today say no,

1085
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: that's not the case. Don't know what to make Yeah,

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00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: there's not much to make of it. Although you know,

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00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm who knows why Richie said it, whether he had

1088
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: reason too, whether his representations said they had had a

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00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: contact with him, but he said he didn't want to

1090
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: go to training camp. That you know, that's so he's

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00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: probably not going to go to training camp. And if

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00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: you say that, and if you're you're not Bruce Smith,

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: if you say that and you're Richie Incognito, a head

1094
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: coach might say, well, okay, we're not going to call

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00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: you that, right, I mean, they would almost say you

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00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah, And if you're in the position

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: of Richie Incognito, I think what you gotta do is

1098
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: look around the league and say, well, who's desperate for

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00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: offensive linemen? Or watch the injury wire and say, okay,

1100
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: they've they just lost three guys in the last ten days.

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00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna be calling me and they may well do that. Yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's always interesting around Richie and we wish him well

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: wherever his path takes him. Um, let's get to some

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00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: phone call. Got the Brian Dable coming up in a

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00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: couple of minutes of Bill's offensive coordinator. At the bottom

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Speaker 1: of this hour, Steve former teammate Darrel Talley's gonna join

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00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: us here from training camp. Let's hear from you. Lines

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Speaker 1: open eight o three oh five fifty toll free one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. What's your

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Speaker 1: plan for the quarterback Thursday? How would you play it?

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00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Give us a call, let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: A call from Bob and cheektowaga Bob, go ahead, you're

1113
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: on the air, Hi, guys, I think if it was me,

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00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: I love Allen. I think he's gonna be our quarterback.

1115
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm going with mccaren to start in for the first

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00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: quarter and go with Peterman the second and the third

1117
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: and Allen in the fort only because I just want

1118
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: to bring Allen alone the right way. And I'm just

1119
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: I just wanted his kid to really develop into a

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Speaker 1: good quarterback. And I think this sounds crazy. I know.

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00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: I think mccaren's gonna take us pretty good this year,

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00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: and then it's still gonna be Allen next year is

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Speaker 1: our quarterback. But I think it would be great if

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Speaker 1: McCarron was great and turned out for us. Well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we could get a great draft choice for him, but

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Speaker 1: I think when it's our future. But I do think

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: mccharen will be good for the Bills this year. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, I mean, if you get a

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Speaker 1: guy like AJ McCarron who comes in and and plays

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00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: extremely well and the team wins, well, let's just exaggerate

1131
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: to make the points. Say the team goes thirteen and

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: three and gets to the championship game loses on a

1133
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: fluke play like the Minnesota Vikings did. Right, So, um,

1134
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: listen do you then? So you're gonna be willing to

1135
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: trade a quarterback the one you thirteen games when you've

1136
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: been looking for a quarterback for twenty years? Why would you?

1137
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: How he's playing? Maybe you're playing great defense and McCoy's

1138
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: having a great year and the quarterbacks okay, not great.

1139
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: And if you feel pretty good about your first round

1140
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: or your seventh overall pick, how are you gonna feel

1141
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: good about it? I mean when he's not on the field,

1142
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how do you know? You prove

1143
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: my point? That's why I'm put on the field Thursday?

1144
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's the first preseason game? Gonna tell you though?

1145
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean, in the big scheme, especially when you get

1146
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: to the regular season and he's played parts of three games,

1147
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: It'll tell you how he plays with and against the ones.

1148
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: It'll tell you how he handles game situations there. Look,

1149
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: he'll if your interest is getting Josh Allen ready to play,

1150
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: and if that's your only interest, and of course you'd

1151
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: play him this Thursday, and play him a lot this Thursday.

1152
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: The more he plays, the better off he's going to be, right, right,

1153
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: So why not start him? And he's It's interesting phrasing

1154
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: by the caller there about how we want to do

1155
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: it right for Josh Allen, want to bring him along, right.

1156
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: I have trouble seeing how he is hurt by playing

1157
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot this Thursday or even starting this Thursday. How

1158
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: does that What's the worst that could happen? Injury obviously,

1159
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: but what's the next worst thing that could happen? He

1160
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: fails miserably, I mean, that's the worst thing. And then

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Speaker 1: you're still gonna look at him down the right, right,

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not the end of the world. I'm

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00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, you want to huh, I think you're coming

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00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: over and I'm moving further away. You're saying that you're

1165
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: saying you're playing three parts of three or four games

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: in the preseason so you can find out about him.

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00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: You got a guy who's played in the league for

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: four years and started four games, and you're pooh pooh

1169
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: and that like you don't know anything about him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think his upside is anywhere near what Josh

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00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Allen's upside is. He has very little chance. He just

1172
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: downside is not even where near what Josh Allen's could be. Well, okay,

1173
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: downside is one thing. We're looking at. The guy who's

1174
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: gonna be the franchise quarterback. Who's got a better chance

1175
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 1: to be the Bills quarterback in three years Josh Allen

1176
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: or ay Jay mccarllen. Come on, that's a good guy.

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Speaker 1: You know what your honest. I see your point by

1178
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: asking the question. But the answer to the question really

1179
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: isn't there's no way of knowing, right, there's absolutely no

1180
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: way of knowing. Let's go to Ron and Buffalo. Ron, welcome,

1181
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: you're on the air. Go ahead. You know, I was

1182
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: just wondering. You know, first of all, I wouldn't put

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Speaker 1: Josh in. I mean mccaren, I would put him in.

1184
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. The thing is, we don't even know how

1185
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: good our offensive line is. We don't know who's gonna

1186
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: be guard center. The only thing we're sure of is

1187
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: probably the tackles Miller and uh talking, So I mean,

1188
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: why would you take a chance when you don't know

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: what your offensive protection is going to be? Well, let

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: me just say, and having men here for a couple

1191
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: of weeks, I'm I'm not locked into this, but I'm

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: fairly certain that the guards are set, you know, John

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Miller on one side, but Dukass on the other. I'm

1194
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: thinking the center is going to be grow or maybe Bodine,

1195
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's as uncertain and as questionable

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: as you might portray it there, Ron and well, the

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: only thing sellon a Jay mccaron, Nathan Peterman there, you

1198
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: know there's only one offensive line. They're all gonna have

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Speaker 1: to play behind it. But they say it usually takes,

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, three or four weeks before these guys start

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: till together. And why do you want to you know,

1202
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: the brand new toy out there if you know they

1203
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, they throw a blitz package, he don't pick

1204
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: it up. Did I mean? You know he's the first

1205
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: game he could expect that. I mean, I would. I

1206
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I gotta I gotta tell you that,

1207
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: And I understand what you're saying. But here's the here's

1208
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: the simple fact that matter. You may like Josh Allen

1209
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: better than do AJ mccaren, but that doesn't make AJ

1210
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: mccaren more expendable than Josh Allen. You've got, you've got, uh,

1211
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: you know that guy's just as important to his wife

1212
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: and kids and sometime in some ways just football team

1213
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: as Josh Allen might be. Um, you're not gonna put

1214
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: anybody out there that you don't think can play. And

1215
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: the offensive line may miss it, that doesn't matter. You

1216
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: could have you could have last year's offensive line coming

1217
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: back intact and miss a blitz pick up and leave

1218
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: a guy lit up and standing in the pocket. So

1219
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: don't I think it's a misnomer for fans and anybody

1220
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: out there listening to think that one guy's gonna play

1221
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Speaker 1: because they don't care if he gets hurt behind a

1222
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: bad offensive line. That's not the point. Well, that's what

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: you're that's kind of what you're saying. I think, would

1224
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, oh, you think mccaren be more ready for that? Yes, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, and and and maybe you're right

1226
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: about that, maybe that wouldn't catch it. But by the

1227
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: same token, I don't think yet that offensive line is

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00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: going through the exact same growing pains that the quarterback

1229
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: position is. You know, we all know that. So they're

1230
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna find out about those guys as well. But but

1231
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 1: believe me, the guys that are out there are gonna

1232
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go out there as number one in

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00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: the start of an NFL game, they're gonna be the

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00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: best option that at that spot that the Bills have

1235
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: to offer at that time. I may change over the

1236
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: course of the preseason, but you're not gonna go out

1237
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: there thinking these guys are gonna stink, uh the Bill's

1238
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: offensive line. One Castio doesn't believe that. Brian Dable doesn't

1239
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: believe that, and I know Sean McDermott doesn't believe that either,

1240
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: and neither do the quarterbacks that are playing behind it.

1241
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: So I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's

1242
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: an issue or even a even a slight consideration as

1243
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: to who you play a quarterback going out there thinking

1244
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: that your offensive line is not going to be very good,

1245
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: that has no bearing on what the other position decisions

1246
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: are going to be. Ron. Thanks for your call, John Murphy,

1247
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker here at Bill's training camp. Um Sean McDermott

1248
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: was not saying this morning, who he's gonna start, how

1249
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna use his quarterbacks. That's why we were debating

1250
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: it talking about it with you on the show today.

1251
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: But McDermott was asked about Josh Allen, and the head

1252
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: coach of the Bills was asked about how Allan's done

1253
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: now two weeks into camp, how's that development going, and

1254
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: what's his plan moving forward. Here's what Sjohn McDermott saidbout

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen this morning. Calculated. Yeah, Like I said before,

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Speaker 1: I've been around and Brandon's been around a situation. I've

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01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: been around two with Donovan McNabb and Cam Newton where

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Speaker 1: each was different, you know, but being around Donovan's situation

1259
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: in particular where we had a plan and he didn't

1260
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: play for some time. We're not rushing this. We want

1261
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: to make sure he's ready to go. And look, they'll

1262
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: there will still be growing pains with that. With that journey,

1263
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: you can see the arm talent, you can see the

1264
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: special type of player that he could become. There's but

1265
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: there's a lot of room between a lot of room

1266
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: for growth between where we are now and where he

1267
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: needs to get to. UM. So you know, we're just

1268
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: going to continue with the plan, continuing with the schedule,

1269
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: and just like our entire team, continue to learn and grow.

1270
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: It's interest he said, we're not rushing it. If and

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01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm aware, I guess tune in

1272
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: I think to perception issues. If the Bills were to

1273
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: start Josh Allen Thursday like I suggest they might they should,

1274
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: would they be viewed as as would they be perceived

1275
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: as a team that's rushing him into action? Not that

1276
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: I care, I mean honestly from outside media, who cares

1277
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: what they think? But would they in fact be rushing

1278
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: him in because Sean just said we're not going to

1279
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: rush into anything with him. Is that rushing him into

1280
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: action to play him Thursday? Let's face it, we would

1281
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: be everybody that's been around this training camp and heard

1282
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: and talked to it because they've been peppered with question

1283
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: after question about who's taken reps with the number one,

1284
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: who's taking reps with the number one, who's what's the

1285
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: quarterback depth chart? When are you gonna get when's Josh

1286
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: Allen gonna take reps with the Ones? That all this

1287
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. They've been peppered with those kind of questions,

1288
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: and it's always been a j McCarron and Nathan Peterman

1289
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: with the Ones. So if they come out in this

1290
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: first preseason game and go, Josh Allen is gonna start,

1291
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: all of us would be shocked. All of us would

1292
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: be because it's out. It's not what they have been

1293
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: preparing to do. They've been preparing the guys with the Ones.

1294
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: If it's been Peterman and McCarron, so there's I would

1295
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: it would be a shock and it would be something

1296
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 1: that would come out of the blue for all of us. Funston,

1297
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: we would have a great time talking about it, that's

1298
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: for sure. We have great broadcast in the game Thursday.

1299
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: It would make for a great broadcast radio and TV. Yeah,

1300
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: it would be a surprising development, absolutely absolutely. But I

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: and that's why I think, you know it's not gonna happen,

1302
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: But but I get it. I get the desire to

1303
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: see him play. That's yeah, good, absolutely, because I want

1304
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: to see him play and I want to get to

1305
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: see him play. I want to see him start. I

1306
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen. It's just like it's like training.

1307
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: We were waiting for training campus. Yeah, you can't wait.

1308
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see him at the rowing. Brian Dable

1309
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: has a you would think a voice in this. Maybe

1310
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: not the ultimate decision, but Steve and I a couple

1311
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: of moments ago, actually a couple of hours ago, I

1312
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: had a chance to sit down with the Bills offensive

1313
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: coordinator as the rain pelted down here at Saint John

1314
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: Fisher College. Our conversation with Buffalo Bill's offensive coordinator Brian

1315
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Dable with Brian Dable, Bill's offensive coordinator, just off the field.

1316
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: So here's the question about today. Was it supposed to

1317
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: be that short because it's essentially two days before a

1318
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: game or is it the rain that knocked you guys

1319
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: into the locker room today? Yeah. Usually usually on a Friday,

1320
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: practice is a little shorter. Yeah, you know, it's two

1321
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: days before a game. Um had a couple other periods

1322
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: there we cut back on based on if we thought

1323
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna be some lightning. But uh yeah, I got got

1324
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: good working. That's stinks man, the rain, right, I mean

1325
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: you can't because everybody starts complaining. Nobody plays the way

1326
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna play, Nobody reacts the way they're gonna react.

1327
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: You can't throw it the way you're gonna throw it.

1328
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just as stinks. Well. I mean you,

1329
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: being a former player, you know you don't like playing

1330
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: in rain, But I love practicing and it's good. Good

1331
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: for the quarterbacks, good for the receivers. You know, we

1332
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: play in Buffalo, we play in the in the Northeast,

1333
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: so we're gonna have to We're having to be good

1334
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: in the elements. If you seem good here the Bills

1335
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: Colts game last December, Yeah, snow game I have. You

1336
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: don't want to play offense in those elements? Hey, whatever

1337
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: they are, they are. You know, I'm from here. You

1338
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna get. And uh, you know,

1339
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: fortunately we got some rains the first time we needed

1340
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: some Rainer do we have on the show the other day? Oh,

1341
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: Chad Pennington playing in Buffalo. He said, the one thing

1342
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I learned about playing in Buffalo. Whatever you think the

1343
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: weather's gonna be, it's not gonna be there. It's gonna

1344
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: be something else, and you won't know till ten minutes

1345
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: for a kickoff, right, isn't it. Oh yeah, that's right.

1346
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. That's what happened in that snow

1347
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: game last year. And you know better than anybody, Steve. Yeah, yeah,

1348
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: you never know. You know, growing up, you never knew.

1349
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, you'd expect fourteen inches of snow. You think

1350
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: you're getting a day off of school, and then the

1351
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: next day you wake up and there's like an inch

1352
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: on a grinding right the weather, no doubt about it.

1353
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: So we Murphy and I've been talking. We've been watching

1354
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: you guys all training camp and even in the OTAs

1355
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: as well. You're one of those coaches that when they

1356
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: when a guy takes a repid quarterback, you're talking to

1357
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: him and you have, uh, do you have a philosophy

1358
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: about what you know about your tack when you talk

1359
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: to these guys right after players? I mean, what's your

1360
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: what's your philosophy about that? And I know that's your style. Yeah, No,

1361
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I think that you know that's

1362
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: your job as the coach is to give you know,

1363
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: positive feedback or constructive criticism on every play, right, Um,

1364
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: whether that's a read of the coverage, a technique, a

1365
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: movement in the pocket, um, and not just with the quarterbacks,

1366
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: which is obviously important, but everybody, so that we're on

1367
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: the same page, because as you know, you know, the

1368
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: only way to operate offensively is to have trust amongst

1369
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: all eleven guys. I give you, I give an example.

1370
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Yesterday we were at practicing down the low low red

1371
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: zone and Josh makes this throw and it's an incomplete

1372
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: pass because the receiver it went through his hands and

1373
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: step and and and you know, the crowd was not

1374
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: much of a crowd there, but they were like, oh

1375
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but you and Josh were high five and

1376
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: because he you know, whatever it was, he was great.

1377
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: And the fans see the results of the play. But

1378
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: there's so much more to evaluate on those, no question

1379
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: about it. But um, you know, it's a results business.

1380
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: So if it's if it's not incomplete, you know, that's

1381
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: that's better. Yeah, yeah, you know, um, but that's not

1382
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: the that's not the focus. When you got that, right, guy, right,

1383
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: that's right. I think that you know, the focus for

1384
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: for all of us is improving our fundamentals, doing the

1385
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: right thing on every play. It's never gonna be perfect.

1386
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: It never is, um, But continue to coach and instruct

1387
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: and make sure that we're all on the same page.

1388
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: With Brian Dable, the Bill's offensive coordinator here at training camp,

1389
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about chat. You've had him down here for

1390
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: two weeks, you hit him all spring. Really, what kind

1391
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: of progression have you seen him? Where is he progressed

1392
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: since you started camp here a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

1393
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a day to day, a

1394
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: day to day grind. Um. Every day he comes out,

1395
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: he improves. And again I've I've talked about this before.

1396
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, coming in as a young guy, there are

1397
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: so many things that these guys have on their plate,

1398
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: not just football, moving to a new state, living in

1399
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: a different area, learning the different language of the playbook,

1400
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: meeting new teammates. And you go through it the first

1401
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: time in OTAs some good, some bad. The next time

1402
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: you do it, you need to make sure you're making improvements.

1403
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: And you know, some plays you only get three or

1404
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: four reps on, so that there's many repeat plays as

1405
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: we can give them. And that's everybody you hope to

1406
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: make strides on that you got. The interesting thing is

1407
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: you're right you're you're trying to win a job that

1408
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: you've always dreamed about, depending on guys you just met

1409
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: to run plays that you just learned. It's a pretty

1410
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: stressful environment. Yeah. And again it's the whole trust factor

1411
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: is what we talk about. And you know, I mean

1412
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: when Jim was thrown to you, you were you had

1413
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: to be at the right place at the right time

1414
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: and have to do it over and over and over

1415
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: and rep it after practice and until you can build

1416
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: that trust amongst each skilled person on the quarterback, particularly

1417
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,479
Speaker 1: in the passing game, you're always a work in progress. Bran,

1418
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: what's important to you in your quarterback? Is it? And

1419
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: this is not a trick question. It's gonna sound like

1420
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: a trick question. Is it more Empomer, It's not a

1421
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: t I honestly want to know this, Okay. Is it

1422
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: more important for you to be comfortable in who you

1423
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: have at quarterback or more important they have like potential

1424
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: for big plays, big throats. Well, I think it's it's

1425
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: really any It's like any position. I mean, the best guy,

1426
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: whoever performs the best is going to earn the right

1427
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: to play. You know, the job of a quarterback is

1428
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: the main two jobs of a quarterback is one to

1429
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: lead your team down to score points and to protect

1430
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: the football. And protecting football isn't just you know, not

1431
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: throwing interceptions. It's in the pocket, it's making the correct decision,

1432
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: it's timing in your footwork, and that's the two main

1433
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: jobs of a quarterback. Talk a little bit about the

1434
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: strength of the of Aj and Nathan. I mean, you've

1435
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: got two guys that in my opinion and from a distance,

1436
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: it kind of seemed very similar in their style, which means,

1437
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of strength of the offense. You

1438
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: want guys like that in the pocket or running this

1439
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: offense with that skill set. When you talk about their strengths, yeah,

1440
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: both of them are are really hard workers. They're really

1441
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: good in the classroom, smart understand what they need to do.

1442
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: They have good leadership qualities about them. They can operate

1443
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: the offense. It's good competition. Do you see? And you

1444
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: don't want to name a quarterback now for this week

1445
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: or obviously for September ninth, but do you look for

1446
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: not see but do you look for a separation when

1447
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: you watch these guys practice or do you just kind

1448
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: of let it come to you? Yeah? I think you know,

1449
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: every day they have an opportunity to go out there

1450
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: and compete. I mean really just receivers, the running backs,

1451
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: the lineman. You're you're constantly evaluating every day each position,

1452
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: and some days some are better than others. But there's

1453
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: a collective body of work and we just keep grinding

1454
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: away with that. Steve and I have it gets as mad.

1455
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: We'll read like outside out of town evaluations of your

1456
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: offense and people talk about, oh, the offensive line is

1457
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: going to be a mess. Well, you want some guys,

1458
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: but you're you're more than well set up to replace

1459
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: those guys. I think with veterans, these aren't young guys

1460
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: that you're plugging in there. Really yeah, guys that that

1461
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: guys that are working hard. And again, you know you

1462
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: talk about trust. There's no greater position in football than

1463
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: than the offensive line in terms of five guys playing

1464
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: like one. UM, So as many reps as we can

1465
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: get with those guys together, we'll serve us. Well, we've

1466
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: been talking to about and everybody has this idea about

1467
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, they know what that offense look they know

1468
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: what um, you know, they know what the Patriot offense

1469
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: looks like. They know what the what's your offense gonna

1470
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: look like. That's what everybody wants to know. I mean,

1471
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: do you know, is there a feel that you're looking

1472
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: for or oh, look, we want to play we want

1473
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: to be disciplined and play smart football. Um. In terms

1474
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: of the plays, that's a continual work in progress because

1475
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: you're still evaluating things to see what your guys do

1476
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: well too. That's important, Um, how many spots can they

1477
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: line up in? What's their strengths as route runners? What's

1478
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: our strengths as run blockers. I think that's our job

1479
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: as coaches is to do a thorough valuation of them,

1480
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: but then do a thoroughation valuation of ourselves. That's got

1481
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: to bleed into the regular season even as well. I mean,

1482
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: you gotta you're forced to cut down to fifty three

1483
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: and make some tough decision. I mean, there's gotta be

1484
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: some really tough decisions coming up for you guys. But really,

1485
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: going bleeding right into the season, you're still evolving for

1486
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: the first month, month and a half or so of

1487
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: the season, well even through the end of the year,

1488
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: but because of injuries and all that. But yep, and

1489
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: I'd say this, you know, you really don't know what

1490
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna get in the early part of the season

1491
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: from the defenses you're gonna play, whether it's a different

1492
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: coordinator or same coordinator. You know, the first four games

1493
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: you really have to stress your fundamentals because and you

1494
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: know this as a former player, Steve, fundamentals is what

1495
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: wins games. You know, can you block the guy in

1496
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: front of you with the proper footwork, pad level the leverage?

1497
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: Can you beat press coverage? Can you throw the football

1498
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: on time? Can you make contested catches? You know, at

1499
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it comes down to, you know, fundamentals. Hey, Brian,

1500
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: how much value do you put on versatility being able

1501
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: to show a variety of different things to your opponents. Yeah,

1502
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Each week is a different week.

1503
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, we only have sixteen of these things, and

1504
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: every week is different. There's a different fingerprint for each coordinator.

1505
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: There's different strengths of the opposing personnels that you're you're facing.

1506
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: So you have to do a good job as a

1507
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: coach and trying to make sure you put your guys

1508
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: in the best position, whether it's scheme wise or matchup wise.

1509
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: With the relative inexperience you have especially a quarterback. Are

1510
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: you able to do that to be as versatile as

1511
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: you might want or is that something like in a

1512
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: couple of years you can be more versatile into this office?

1513
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: I think I think it's always a growing process and

1514
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: every year is a different year, so and every week's

1515
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: a different week. You know, these guys have done a

1516
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: good job and OTAs, they've built on OTAs into training

1517
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: camp and that's what we need to continue to do.

1518
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: What are you looking to get out of Thursday's game? Again,

1519
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's obviously it's the first preseason game. You

1520
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: don't game plan a first preseason game. And it's like

1521
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: I was, I was telling Steve before, it's it's really

1522
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: who can perform under pressure when the lights are on

1523
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: with good fundamentals and technique. Thanks for this, We appreciate it. Awesome,

1524
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Bill's Offensive. We got more of the show

1525
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: coming up One Bill's Live from Bill's Training Camp on

1526
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's John Murphy

1527
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: Steve Tact, and we've got one of Steve's most prominent

1528
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: teammates with us here, former Bills linebacker Daryl Talley. Bill's

1529
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: Wall of famer. Hello, Darling, do you recog nice Steve?

1530
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: I got, Yeah, see Gary seeing you as well. What

1531
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: happened to the beard? I asked? You know, TV stuff

1532
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: I got, you know, I gotta got them adoring fans

1533
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: right once you're once you're on TV. One way, you

1534
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: can't like change your look. You know, you can't come

1535
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: on with a beard and then shave and then come

1536
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: back with a beard. You gotta be the same guy

1537
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: all the time. So what really happened, Daryl is there?

1538
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: Weren't the fans here were not recognecting him enough. He

1539
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: was walking around and nobody. I felt forgotten. I felt

1540
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: so forgotten because nobody, you know, everybody knew you. Yeah, no,

1541
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: that's not true. Good to have you here. You were

1542
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: at new Era of Field Friday night for the Return

1543
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: of the Blue and the Red. You and a couple

1544
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: of fred Smerlass was there, a couple of others you

1545
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: had talk about that experience? What was that? He was

1546
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: actually a lot of fun. I mean we actually got

1547
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: to go got to go around and sign a few

1548
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: autographs up in a booze and the boxes upstairs, and

1549
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: got to walk around the field a little bit. But

1550
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: we should have went to the other side of the field.

1551
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: My apologies there. We only stayed on the press box side.

1552
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: We should went to the other side of the field.

1553
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: There was a good sized crowd there, I think ten

1554
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 1: ten thousand plus ten to twelve thousand. There was a

1555
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: lot of nice ice crob Yeah, and you were saying

1556
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: to me, I asked you about practice. So you watch

1557
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: that practice. You watch a little bit of today until

1558
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: the rain started dumping out of the sky. You're not

1559
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: impressed with the way they practiced, not really, not just

1560
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: the Bills, but the entire NFL. Right, well, did agree?

1561
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: You really saying that? Just sound like an old guy.

1562
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: I am an old guy because you what, Yeah, because

1563
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: you were born a long time ago. That's why you

1564
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: when you think about it, this was our Friday practice. Yeah,

1565
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, a lot of Friday practices. And the

1566
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: fact that a strange part about it is two days

1567
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: is like part of the vernacular. They don't have any

1568
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: That's what I can't believe. They don't have any of them.

1569
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's amazing. Yeah, that's like that's a day

1570
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: off in our day. Yeah, one practice is that it's

1571
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: literally a day off. And uh, but but I will

1572
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: say this, Uh, they schedule these guys tight. They got

1573
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: them doing. It's not if they may not be on

1574
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: the field, but when they're not in our day, if

1575
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: you weren't on the field, you know, if you know,

1576
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: you have evening meetings and that was it. Now it's

1577
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: morning practice and they meet from lunch all the way

1578
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: through the night. I mean, they're in meetings all day.

1579
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: And they're working out too. They got on lifting and

1580
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: doing all that of the stuff. They do fill their

1581
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: days with training and learning, but they're not on the field.

1582
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: And that's the amazing part of it. That's amazing to

1583
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: me because and good for the guys because I tell

1584
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: you what it takes and with them guys not having

1585
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: to do that as much, I get it. I was

1586
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: thinking too. And see if you agree with this, there's

1587
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: always that thing where you know, it's you come out

1588
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: day after day and there are days when man, you

1589
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: just you need a day off, and he really and

1590
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: if you're a young player, you can't take it, you know.

1591
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: They you don't get a day right, you don't get

1592
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: a day off. But if you need a day off

1593
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: and you take a day off because of the pounding,

1594
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: they're looking at you side sideways, like, man, you know,

1595
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: is he really tough enough? Is he really you know,

1596
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: they're looking like you're a malingerer. You know, they just

1597
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: think you're just hanging out trying to collect it. This

1598
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: way you get far a few far or less of

1599
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: that because guys don't get pounded like that, so they're

1600
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: there are fewer guys that are getting looked at like going,

1601
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're tough. You know, everybody's tough

1602
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 1: enough to do this right, So there's not that issue

1603
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: of having a guy who went does he good enough?

1604
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: Does he have a bad practice because he feels awful?

1605
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: And you don't have guy practice is like where you

1606
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: have guys practicing bad because they feel bad, or if

1607
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: you've got a guy that's practicing bad, will he continue

1608
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: to soak about it? Right, because if the guy's practicing bad,

1609
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: he'll like, oh, now I got a hamstring problem right

1610
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: my back or my shoulder or something like that. So

1611
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: this way, I guess you eliminate a lot of those things.

1612
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out how they come up

1613
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: with the idea of whether that guy is ready to

1614
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: play physically on the weekend I think I think for

1615
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: the most part, the game's got to be way more

1616
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,480
Speaker 1: important than they used to be. Right, Yeah, in the evaluation,

1617
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: I think the preseason games are way more important now

1618
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: than they used to because it's the only live action

1619
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: you get to see. And that's the thing I think that,

1620
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, people may disagree with me,

1621
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: but from the way that they're practicing so that you

1622
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: guys get used to the contact and what they're doing

1623
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: and doing it in traffic, because the only way to

1624
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: get good at something is to do it in traffic

1625
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: every day, right, And if they did that in traffic

1626
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: every day, beating each other, hitting people, they would know.

1627
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: So you when it comes time for a game, right,

1628
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: they're ready to go. But I don't. I don't get it.

1629
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: We're with the former Bills linebacker Darryl Talley fourteen seasons

1630
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL, including great years with the Buffalo Bills.

1631
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: A question for both of you, then, Darrel, let's start

1632
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: with you. What do you think you guys got out

1633
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: of two a day practices that they're not getting here?

1634
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: What was the benefit of practicing twice a day? The benefit,

1635
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: I think was the repetitions that we got as far

1636
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: as physical contact, knowing which side of a guy you

1637
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: had to attack and what your job was. It's like

1638
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: you can say, yeah, I'm if I'm going through a

1639
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: slow walk through or whatever, then I'm going to hit

1640
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: him with this shoulder and keep going, or I'm gonna

1641
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: use this hand, or I'm gonna use this technique. But

1642
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: if you don't physically do that enough that that part

1643
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: of your technique becomes stale, I think, what do you think?

1644
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: I agree, it's the reps you in a game, and

1645
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: it takes It took a long time for me to

1646
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: learn how to play why out and I was sitting

1647
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: there watching Andrea and James Lofton and all these guys

1648
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: that I played with, and again Tim Smith down in Houston.

1649
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 1: It took me a long time to learn the techniques.

1650
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: And that's basically what you're talking about, particularly at wide receiver,

1651
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: at least my spot. Where where the guy is on

1652
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: your hip and where he is and what kind of

1653
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: coverage it is, dictates what kind of what you do,

1654
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: what you do at the top of the route, and

1655
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: how you're gonna because he won't honor some moves if

1656
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: he'd got help in that direction. He only worries about

1657
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: you moving this way. So it took me a long

1658
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: time to get that to be second nature where you

1659
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't have to think about what that technique was gonna be,

1660
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: where you just it would just happen. And it takes

1661
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: reps and reps and reps and reps and practice against

1662
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: really good guys who challenge and you got to do

1663
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: it against their technique. That you got to see a

1664
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: defensive back who knows the technique he's supposed to you,

1665
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: so you can counter it with your technique. And if

1666
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: you get a guy's out there just running all over

1667
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: the place, you know you could have beat him when

1668
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: you were six years old, because you you know, you

1669
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: do it with ability and just and just instinct. But

1670
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: when you need to use a technique when a guy's

1671
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 1: actually waiting for a key, you know that the reps

1672
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: that you get doing it in the morning, doing it

1673
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, doing it in the morning, doing it

1674
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: in the afternoon during in the morning, during the afternoon

1675
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: didn't have You didn't have three days seven No, I

1676
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: did three days three days when when I first came

1677
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: in the league, we had three a day. Pro back

1678
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 1: in the late fifties when they were in their helmets

1679
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: and no face mask. I guess I looked right three days.

1680
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: That's when. That's when there were psychotics in the league.

1681
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that accounts for maybe some of

1682
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: the sloppy play that you see now in the NFL,

1683
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: the lack of reps that you described, We think you would.

1684
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: I think it would accomplish. I think it would. It's

1685
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: saying that it helps. It hurts the tackle because guys

1686
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: are not used to getting their hips and through guys

1687
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: and not going through. Yeah, so you know, guys have

1688
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: to wrap up and they don't. Sloppy play comes when yeah,

1689
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: misstackles a sloppy play. The other stuff I think now

1690
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: and some of these skill positions and some of the

1691
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: programs you see guys coming out of in college, and

1692
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: we were talking about like Corey Coleman coming out of Baylor,

1693
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: where they didn't call play. They'd line up, look at

1694
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: the sideline and they tell them what we're oute to run.

1695
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing. So now, but now

1696
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: in other programs like these like Alabamas and Florida's and USC,

1697
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,879
Speaker 1: when they're running pro style offenses, they come out polished.

1698
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: They come out and knowing the techniques at wide receiver.

1699
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: And I know too some of the defenses are getting

1700
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: more and more sophisticated as well, because they're getting guys

1701
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: in college that are more and more sophisticated coming out

1702
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: of high school. And so in some ways, I don't

1703
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: think it's sloppy play. I think in some ways that

1704
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: the league's mental aspects have been elevated, but the basic

1705
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: fundamental of the tackling that gets left behind because they

1706
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: spend so much time doing this high level stuff. They

1707
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: don't get down in the dirt, you know what I mean,

1708
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: That's true. They don't get down to dirty a lot.

1709
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: Dell Talley joined US Bill's Wall of Famer. Do you

1710
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: watch linebackers when you watch practice? Yes, indeed I do.

1711
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: And what do you think of the Bills first rounder

1712
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: Tremaine enmands? What you've seen him a couple of times?

1713
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: I have from what I've seen that I think he's

1714
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: going to be a very good player. My question is,

1715
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, just him in space, how does he enjoy

1716
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: getting back? How far down the field is going to

1717
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: get and just watching him grow as what I want

1718
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: to do because I want to see I want to

1719
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: see that guard look at him and he's look at

1720
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: that guard and say, uh yeah, yeah. I mean that's

1721
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: it's one of the things you forget when I when

1722
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: I go down the sidelines and do games for the network,

1723
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of conversations going on

1724
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: that nothing said. You know, there's this eye contact and

1725
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: body language and it goes across the light of screens,

1726
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: especially when they break the huddle. Yes, you know your

1727
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: eyes right, you get you down and you get the hut,

1728
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: you get the call as an offensive player, your heads

1729
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 1: down the huddle and defense you're kind of looking around

1730
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: anyway you hear the call. Well, then they break the

1731
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: huddle and all the eyes start to meet, you know,

1732
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: you start to make eye contact, and those are the

1733
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: conversations that I find really interesting. You know, there's nothing said,

1734
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: but there's a whole lot of information being exchanged. And

1735
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: it was really fun. What we would do is we

1736
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: looked and go, hey, that one, that one I got him.

1737
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: You play him. Yeah, you're having a conversation. You're a

1738
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: defender having a conversation with the offense only and you're

1739
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: talking to the defense. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1740
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a unique atmosphere out there

1741
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: and everything's being screamed. Yeah, and my thing. I used

1742
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: to love to listen to the quarterbacks because they thought

1743
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: that they were so much smarter than everybody else. They

1744
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: would be calling her all Still they still all retired,

1745
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: and they still think that they're calling the players that

1746
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: they're line of scrimmage. And I'm going, okay, do you

1747
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: think I'm really that stupid? This is the formation you

1748
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: showed me. That's what you're doing there. Okay, hey, biscuit

1749
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: is coming here away or I know, I gotta get

1750
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: my butt out a little bit because he's coming at me.

1751
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm gonna steady and I'm gonna know

1752
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: you as well as I can. Yeah, that's that's it's

1753
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: a lot of fun being at that level of competition

1754
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: and just the chess match. And I'll tell you what,

1755
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: is an offensive guy And you hear defense is talking

1756
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: about that, and it's it's kind of it makes your

1757
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: heart sink and it's like, god, dang it because now

1758
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: because with you, they don't know what you're coming, they

1759
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: know you're coming with something. You know. Now, there was

1760
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: a certain time in our offense. When Jim and all

1761
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: those guys were running it where it didn't matter if

1762
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: they knew, you know, we were getting it anyway, and

1763
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: we'll see you stop. Let's see you stop house, you know,

1764
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: coming up, Yeah, you know, getting to the second level.

1765
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: You know, it was fun. It was fun. Now, could

1766
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: we run our plays no matter what? You know, we

1767
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: had five of them? I disagree, I no, I agree,

1768
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: Oh he had we had five off or maybe six

1769
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: offensive lens we had we had we had six offensive plays,

1770
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: six to the right and then the same six to

1771
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: the left. And they would they just look at you say, okay,

1772
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna do. Stop us. Yeah, yeah,

1773
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: And it was It was great. It was a great

1774
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: atmosphere to be and it was a fun team to

1775
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: be on. Daryl. The Super Bowl Bills, obviously known for

1776
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 1: the offense, the high powered offense and the k gun offense,

1777
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: was the defense underrated as you look back on it.

1778
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there were some serious players there. Bruce's in

1779
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Bennett is a very good player. You, um,

1780
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Shane Conlin and me, you can go over and over

1781
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: all the great players around that defense. Um, I think

1782
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: fred S Murdis and Ted Washington. Yeah, we got we

1783
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: got overshadowed, but I don't really think we did because

1784
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: what I used to tell guys, I say, look as

1785
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: long as we win, there's enough glory NFL, all of

1786
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: us if we win. So all we gotta do is

1787
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: just beat everybody, Just beat them, no matter what. And

1788
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: that was the way I looked at it. Um, did

1789
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: we get overlooked at times? Yes, and no, but we

1790
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: were very good at doing one thing. If you ever notice,

1791
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: we were pretty good at taking the football away from tuns.

1792
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: We would bend a lot, but didn't we take the ball? Right?

1793
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Last question for you. You are here visiting your daughter, Gabriel,

1794
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: who's in community relations and Internet. What else are you

1795
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: up to these days? Um, nothing much. I'm working in

1796
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: the Bills is um ambassador to the Buffalo Bills, and

1797
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm also working in the NFL Legends community as a

1798
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: Legends coordinator. Where are you living, Orlando, Florida? Okay, you've

1799
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: been there, Wilder, Yes, it's just like this whether it's

1800
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: just like that, right, Yeah, it's actually doing the same

1801
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: thing it does in Florida. It's raining f and they're

1802
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: all great to see you. Thank We appreciated back there,

1803
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Daryl Talley joining us, Wall of Famer. We've got more

1804
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: coming up. One Bill's Live presented by Collata Health. From

1805
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: one Bill's Drive or from Bill's Training Camp. Rather, we'll

1806
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: be there tomorrow. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. That's a

1807
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: dollar from Bill Training Camp. John Murphy, Steve Tasker back area.

1808
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Darrel Cally for joining us. His son

1809
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: is coming out a little bit here at Bill's training camp.

1810
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: It was kind of rainy when we talked to Darrel

1811
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: earlier on. He hasn't changed, Steve, your buddy, Darryl Talley.

1812
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: We could have done that interview back in nineteen eighty four.

1813
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: He would have been the exact same person. You know

1814
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, Correct, he has not changed. That's one

1815
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: of the reasons. One of the reason why what are

1816
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm tossing the gaffer's tape back to Jabe.

1817
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: But one of the reasons why Darrel is so engaging,

1818
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I think in fans spotting m so well, it was

1819
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: because you know what you're getting with Daryl Tallley. You

1820
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, He's as honest a human being

1821
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: as you will ever run across anywhere. Anytime, and as

1822
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: honest as ugly honest can be. Sometimes that's Darryl. And

1823
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: as perfect as it can be all the time he

1824
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: is he's just uh, he never minces his words, and

1825
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: he always tells exactly what he feels. And you know

1826
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: he's he goes through life unfiltered. Well, yeah, which is

1827
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of pushing along through the interview.

1828
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: I wanted to spend more time with him. We didn't

1829
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: have time because I had a question. I'll ask you

1830
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: that I was gonna ask Daryl. All of you guys

1831
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: who played on that Super Bowl era team talk about

1832
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: how Darrell was like the conscience of the team and

1833
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: the guy who kept everybody in line and and you know,

1834
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean in line, in line, but

1835
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: just kept everybody focused on winning games. What what is

1836
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: it about his personality that made him that guy? You

1837
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 1: had some strong personalities on that team. He had some

1838
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: talent on that team. Darrell, as good as he was,

1839
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: was not the most talented for sure. But what is

1840
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: it about him that made him the guy that kind

1841
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: of set the tone for everybody? Well, we mentioned a moment.

1842
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: He's honest, I mean he is um he has a

1843
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: great sense of right and wrong, particularly in a group.

1844
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: You know. Um, he's a great brother, um, and he's

1845
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: a great friend, and he's unselfish, and he's always a

1846
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: team first guy. And that's where he came with his

1847
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: sense of right and wrong. And plus his as tough

1848
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: as nails as he was and a good player, and

1849
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: he was fearless, utterly fearless of anybody and anything. And

1850
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: his sense of right and wrong that I just told

1851
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: you about kind of drove him. And he was the

1852
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: guy he didn't compromise. All the guys on that team

1853
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: knew that if you really wanted to and if you're

1854
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna get into argument, Darrel would fistfight you or if

1855
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that you that he because he was right,

1856
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, he had a sense of right and wrong.

1857
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: He was it was team first, and if you were

1858
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: going to put anything but the team first, he would

1859
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: be willing to fist fight you for it. And there

1860
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: were other guys like that as well. But Daryl, and

1861
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: you can laugh when I say, as you did, it

1862
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: was true. Yeah, And there was times when guys in

1863
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: that you know, even the big like Bruce, Jim Thurman, Cornelius,

1864
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: you know, Shane Conlin, Fred Smerless, all those guys, they

1865
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: knew it's something. There were times when they put themselves

1866
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: in their career whatever, ahead of the team and wanted

1867
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: to do things and Darryl would not have it, and

1868
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: he would he would not have it, and and he

1869
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: had and guys had. All right, they were like, all right,

1870
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: all right, you know, because of fear basically because well

1871
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they really feared, but they didn't want to.

1872
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: They have to fight. I mean, you're gonna you know,

1873
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: and it's not a there's not one hundred percent that

1874
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: there's not one hundred percent that you were gonna beat him. Yeah,

1875
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, some of those guys probably might have been

1876
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: able to take him, but you know, it just wouldn't

1877
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Speaker 1: be worth the effort. So right, and so he knew

1878
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: and so and and plus when one it was one

1879
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: guy trying to put himself above it, it wasn't like

1880
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: it was everybody against Daryl. It was everybody with Darryl

1881
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: against that person. And then the next day it was

1882
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: that person and Darrell and everybody against a different guy

1883
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: within you, right, So at every different time, Darrel was

1884
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: their best friend as well as the guy that said,

1885
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: you know you ain't doing that. Yeah, you know, so

1886
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: it was. It was a unique He's a unique guy,

1887
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: a very unique guy, and he continues to be as

1888
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: you kind of get a sense from our conversation with him,

1889
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: and he's just why you know you I love him.

1890
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I love him to death because he's the exact same

1891
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: way to day as he was thirty years ago. Thanks

1892
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Speaker 1: Daryl for joining us. I thanks to Brian Dable. Coming

1893
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: up in the next hour, we're gonna talk with Sean O'Hara,

1894
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: a longtime NFL offensive lineman now with NFL Network. He

1895
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: was here a week or so ago. We'll getting his

1896
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: take on the Bills and the Giants and the Jets

1897
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: and everything else going on around the NFL. Come on

1898
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Speaker 1: back an hour ago one Bill's Live presented by Kalida

1899
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Speaker 1: Health from Buffalo Bill's training camp on Buffalo Bill's Radio,

1900
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Blalo Bills Radio Networks. Stories up date from Bill's training

1901
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: camp where the sun is shining right now. The Bills

1902
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: had a battle of the rain this morning and their

1903
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: eleventh training camp practice and good sized crowd on a

1904
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: free practice with a game to a couple of days away.

1905
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: Head coach Sean McDermott says he is not yet ready

1906
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: to announce how he will play his quarterbacks on Thursday night.

1907
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about on the show today. McDermot

1908
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: says the Bills are going to stick with the plan

1909
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: they've had in place for the first few weeks at camp.

1910
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Today's work out the first in Buffalo for newly acquired

1911
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver Corey Coleman, picked up in a trade Sunday night.

1912
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: You heard him on the show earlier earlier on today

1913
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: about twelve thirty. McDermott doesn't know whether the Coleman will

1914
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: see action in this first preseason game Bills in Carolina

1915
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: at seven o'clock Thursday, New Air of Field, Mark Kelso

1916
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 1: and I, along with salth Capacho have the radio broadcast

1917
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: on the Bills Radio Network. Thursday night. The next training

1918
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: camp practice here for the Bills this coming Sunday, two

1919
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: fifteen pm. You need a ticket, go to Buffalo Bills

1920
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,520
Speaker 1: dot com for details on ticketing. Aaron Donald's holdout continues

1921
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: from the Los Angeles Rams. He will not join the

1922
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: team by today's deadline for players to report in order

1923
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: to earn an accrude season for free agency, nor will

1924
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: he be with the team anytime soon. According to ESPN's

1925
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, Rams coach Sean McVay says pretty much the

1926
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: same thing when he was speaking with reporters yesterday after

1927
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: a joint practice with the Baltimore Ravens. Rams teammates have

1928
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: expressed support for Donald, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of

1929
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 1: the Year, but they say they have had no contact

1930
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald. Teddy Bridgewater says it gives him chills

1931
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: to get ready to play for the New York Jets.

1932
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: The Jets like that he keep Josh McCown on the

1933
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: sideline For the jets first preseason game Friday night against Atlanta,

1934
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: Bridgewater will split reps with Sam Donald, and Bridgewater, of course,

1935
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: has not played in a game in a while. He

1936
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 1: just says he wants to play as he comes back

1937
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 1: from a very serious knee injury. And the Patriots churned

1938
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: their receiving corps yesterday. They released a wide receiver, Malcolm Mitchell,

1939
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: who was a fourth round pick in twenty sixteen four

1940
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: touchdowns in his rookie year. That is the update from

1941
01:32:45,439 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Buffaloville's training camp in Pittsburgh. New York Times Welcome back

1942
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: to buffle the Bills training camp. We're on the camp

1943
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and Saint John Fisher College outside Rochester. John Murphy, former

1944
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Bill special team or Steve Tsker. We are joined on

1945
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: the line by a guy who visited the Bills in

1946
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: camp late last week. He is an analyst for NFL Network.

1947
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Eleven seasons in the NFL playing the offensive line, three

1948
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl performer. Happy to have NFL Network analysts

1949
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Sean O'Hara on the line with the Shawn is John

1950
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Murphy's team tasker here at Bill's camp. Thanks for joining

1951
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: us today. We appreciate it. Hey, John and Steve, thanks

1952
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 1: for having me on. Hey, we appreciate hey. Um, it's

1953
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: important to note and I've been locked into NFL Network

1954
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: for the last a couple of weeks now with the

1955
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: UH training camp primetime pretty much every night. Uh does

1956
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: that continue? We had Kim Jones here yesterday. I think

1957
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 1: she said that the all day reports have come to

1958
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: an end now on NFL Network? Is that the case?

1959
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: Wednesdays the last day? So I'm actually got last night,

1960
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing tonight and then tomorrow night, and UM, I

1961
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: think tomorrow night we're gonna crack some cold beverages. Because

1962
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: that's the last one. Yeah, that's always good to crack

1963
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: some crack some beers after the last day of training camp.

1964
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: What are you what are some of your impressions about

1965
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: this year in the National football It's give me an

1966
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,560
Speaker 1: overall vow you guys. You guys touch base on a

1967
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: lot of training camps and you get a feedback, get

1968
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: feedback from all of them. What are your What are

1969
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: your impressions about some teams that might fly under the

1970
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: radar or maybe some surprising teams that are going to

1971
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: emerge from from purgatory that they've been in for a while. Yeah,

1972
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty hard to sneak up on people

1973
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: these days. Um, but you know, just kind of you know,

1974
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I was, I was down in in Philly for the

1975
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: Eagles practice on Sunday. Um, you know, obviously they're not

1976
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: flying under the radar for anybody, but um, they're they're

1977
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: a very interesting team right now, just because being the

1978
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: defendish Super Bowl champs, it's hard to think that that

1979
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: they can improve on what they did offensively and defensively.

1980
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: But um, I'm they're they're kind of a very interesting

1981
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: team to me, So I'm looking forward to their defense

1982
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I think their defense could even

1983
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 1: be better this year, which is pretty scary. The additions

1984
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: of Michael Bennett and Haloti Nada I think are going

1985
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: to be big for them up front. And then Sydney Rice,

1986
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: who they drafted in the second round after he had

1987
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 1: toured as Achilles in his pro day. You know that,

1988
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I think having him back healthy and having a full

1989
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 1: year recovery should pay dividends. But uh, you know, teams

1990
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: under the radar, you know, I feel like the Chargers

1991
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: are are a team that people kind of overlook. In

1992
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: the AFC West, you know, everybody's really focusing on you

1993
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: know that we follow the quarterbacks and tell, I tell

1994
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,759
Speaker 1: everybody had the network list and we could talk about

1995
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: other positions, but you end up going following the quarterback.

1996
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: So obviously Case Keenham is a big draw when we

1997
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: talk about the AFC West, what he's bringing to Denver,

1998
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: mahomes down in Kansas City. Those guys kind of get

1999
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: the buzz. But I really think the Chargers, if they

2000
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: could just avoid their slow start that it seems like

2001
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 1: they start every year in the whole you know, one

2002
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: and three and four. Last year. Um, I think they've

2003
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: got a pre I mean, they are so balanced offensively,

2004
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: They've got some great playmakers defensively out the anybody wants

2005
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: to face Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram and um. I

2006
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: think picking up Derwin James at safety is going to

2007
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: be a big pick up for them. So I think

2008
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: those are a couple of teams. I think the Saints

2009
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: are a team that really we don't we don't really

2010
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: talk about a whole lot, but every single year, Drew

2011
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Brees told the hell out of the ball. And you know,

2012
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if he trade is tight end the

2013
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: way to see you Annal or trade Brandon Cooks away

2014
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: m he still finds a way to put up some

2015
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: big numbers. And you know, getting Alvid Camara last year

2016
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: and having a one two punch of Camara and Ingram

2017
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: or that really that really helped throughout and I think

2018
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: they're going to get a lot more of that this year.

2019
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: So that NFC South is going to be a really

2020
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: tough division because I think Atlanta is poised to make

2021
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: another big run here as well. But again, it's it's

2022
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: hard in the NFL, and when you're on when you're

2023
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: on TV for sixteen hours, like we are at the

2024
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 1: NFL Network, It's hard not to hit everybody, Yeah, around

2025
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: the subway. Fresh take Hotline with Shawn O'Hara, NFL Network

2026
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: analysts who you can see him tonight on their NFL

2027
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Training Camp coverage eight o'clock to night. An NFL Network

2028
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: Sean was with the Bills. You were with us actually

2029
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: Friday night back in Orchard Park in New Airfield. Any

2030
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: impressions of the Buffalo Bills from what you saw of

2031
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: them last last weekend, Sean. You know, I was thoroughly

2032
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: impressed from top to bottom, you know. And you guys,

2033
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: I think the title of it was the Return of

2034
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: the Red and Blue UM, and I thought, you know what,

2035
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: that's just a very fitting title for for what's going

2036
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: on up there at Orchard Park. UM. You know, I

2037
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: had a chance to kind of see see a little

2038
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: bit of facility and what they're what the Pagulos are

2039
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: bringing to that city. Um, not just the bills, but

2040
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, seeing what they're doing down on the harbor

2041
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 1: front um, down by the water, the downtown area. I mean,

2042
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 1: there really is just a lot of energy, UM, and

2043
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: it feels like Buffalo is just on the ch is

2044
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: something big sitting down Random Being and Sean McDermott. You know,

2045
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: I see the draw. You know, the thing that a

2046
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: lot of people forget about in the NFL, and you know,

2047
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 1: those two hook when when you're a free agent, you

2048
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: go around and you visit these these teams, You're taking

2049
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: everything in. It's kind of like college recruiting. You know,

2050
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: players come in and look at the facilities, They look at, Hey,

2051
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: who am I going to be working with, who's the GM,

2052
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,919
Speaker 1: who's the head coach? That matters. I mean, ultimately, the contract,

2053
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, speaks for itself. But if you're comparing apples

2054
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: to apples, you know, the big draw for Buffalo right

2055
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: now is the improvement that they're doing with the facilities,

2056
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: the money that they're putting into the team, and having

2057
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: a chance to play with Being and McDermott. You know,

2058
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: I just I love the culture that those guys are

2059
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: bringing to that team. You look at the roster, there's

2060
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: been a lot of turnover, a lot of talent has left,

2061
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: a lot of talent has come in. But just talking

2062
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 1: to Kyle Williams and kind of talking to some of

2063
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the people on the team there there's just a really

2064
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 1: good energy, a really good culture that they're building, and

2065
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: I think the one question mark in the NFL is

2066
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 1: always do you have a franchise cornerback. I'll say this

2067
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: watching Josh Allen, you know, it was one day I

2068
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: watched him in one on one drills. I watched the accuracy.

2069
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: I watched how easy the ball got from point A

2070
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: to point B. I mean, that ball is electric when

2071
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: it comes out of his arm, and he makes it

2072
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: look so easy. So you know, look, it's it's easy

2073
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: to make big throws when you've got no rush in

2074
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: front of you. You can step into every throw, but

2075
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times where you've got to make

2076
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: a throw under to rest, You've got to make a

2077
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: throw as you're getting hit, and you've got to rely

2078
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: on just that that arm whimp, and he's got it.

2079
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: So I was very impressed with him. I liked that

2080
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 1: they've got the training wheels on them and they're kind

2081
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: of bringing them along slowly. But if I'm in that

2082
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: locker room, they can't play him soon enough because with

2083
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: him out there, he can change the game around, which

2084
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: is one or two throws? What's your what's your basic philosophy? Sean.

2085
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: She's talking to Sean O'Hair of NFL Network. There's there's

2086
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: no I don't think anything set in stone is to

2087
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Speaker 1: how the best way to bring along a quarterback is

2088
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: because they're all different guys, and every team is different,

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Speaker 1: and every year is different on every team. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to get a general consensus of how, um a

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01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: quarterback should be developed. But you know you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of it this year with all those quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: going so high in the draft, We're gonna see probably,

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Speaker 1: don't you think five or six different ways to handle

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback? Yeah, I think every franchise is going

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01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: to be different. Um, you know, certainly every situation different.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're a coach, that's you know, like

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowls down at the Jets. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he can survive another losing season, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: so for him, it's, hey, look i've got to I've

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Speaker 1: got to win some games now. Um. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you look at Sean McDermott, you know, they just made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think he's you know, I don't want

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01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: to say he's got a free pass, but you know,

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01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: you can kind of survive if you end up taking

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01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: some lumps with a rookie quarterback. Um, same things. Steve

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01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Wilkes down and down in Arizona. Now you know they've

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Speaker 1: got Sam Bradford down there, So you know, I think

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Speaker 1: that they they're taking baby steps with Josh Rosen. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think every situation is different. I'll just kind of

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Speaker 1: used to a little personal perspective. I was with Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: I came over to the Giants and oh four from

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Speaker 1: the Browns as a free agent. Eli was his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: When you think about quarterbacks being NFL ready, can you

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Speaker 1: be more NFL ready than Eli was coming out of

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01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: the draft, with Peyton and his older brother being in

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Speaker 1: the NFL already, his dad playing fifteen some years in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He'd been around the game his whole life.

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Speaker 1: So I think Eli was about as NFL ready could

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Speaker 1: be coming out of college, and even he wasn't ready.

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,560
Speaker 1: So if anybody tells you, hey, this rookie quarterback is

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01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 1: ready to play in the NFL Week one, they're lying

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01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody's ready to come in. But

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01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 1: when you look at the success that Jared Goff has

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01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: had in year two, you look at the success Carson

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01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: wentz had in year two. Sometimes the wins don't come

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01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: until the next year, but the experience that they get

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01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 1: in that first year is so important. Um Eli took

2129
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: over halfway through the year, his workie year, and we

2130
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: lost six straight games, and a lot of it was just, look,

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01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: it's new that you know, the plays are new, the

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01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: stuff at the line of scrimmage and new. Everything happens

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01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: so much quicker from a mental standpoint as well as

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Speaker 1: a physical standpoint. And until you get comfortable and until

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Speaker 1: you get confident at quarterback, it's hard. And we ended

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01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 1: up wing his last game as a starter his rookie year. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of a nice momentum into

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01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: year two, but then we came out in year two

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01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 1: and one eleven games. So I think for for Buffalo

2140
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 1: and for Sean McDermot and Brandon being, they've got a

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01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: tough choice because you know, you want to have that

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01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: great second year with Josh Allen. You don't want to,

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01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: but you don't want to stun his growth. I think,

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Speaker 1: um you know, one of my network colleagues and former teammates,

2145
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: David Carr, you know, he could tell you that it

2146
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: can hurt you if you throw a quarterback in there

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01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,560
Speaker 1: and you can't protect them. So that to me is

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Speaker 1: the always the biggest question, can we protect this young guy? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know with the Bill's offensive line, you're they're losing

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Speaker 1: three starters from last year. I think Dean Dawkins is

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01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: a heck of a player, and I really liked the

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01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 1: way he stilled in the left tackle. Um, but you know,

2153
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I know they've got a center competition with Russ Bodon

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01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: and Ryan Croy who filled in for Eric Wood. They

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01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 1: lost incognito at left guard. So, UM, my hesitation would

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01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: be to throw in a rookie quarterback. Um, if I

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01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 1: if I'm not sure how my offensive line's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: The saving grace for a rookie quarterback is if you

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01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 1: can run the football. So Dan the ball to Lashawn McCoy.

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Speaker 1: That's an added bonus for any young quarterback. Right the

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Speaker 1: line with Sean o'haray, analyst NFL Network, shann, I want

2162
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: to ask you a question or two about your former teammate,

2163
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Steve and I talked the other day going

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame weekend about potential Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame candidates. We both agreed that Eli belongs to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But I read a really interesting post

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01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: that you wrote recently about Eli and about the Giants.

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Speaker 1: You you basically assert that the Giants wasted Eli Manning's

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Speaker 1: prime years. Can you talk about that and why you

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Speaker 1: feel that way. Well, it kind of goes back to

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Speaker 1: what I was just talking about with the guys up front. Um,

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01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: you know, I think anytime you get a quarterback, it's

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01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, ten years plus. You've got to give

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Speaker 1: him a good pocket. Um. You know, look, we've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of young quarterbacks be able to buy time

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01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: and run around. But you know, look, even Steve Young,

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01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: at some point it caught up to him the concussions. Um,

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Speaker 1: you look at Russell Wilson, all the pounding that he's taking.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Shaun Watson, Carson Wentz, these athletic quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that yeah, it's great they can buy time with their feet,

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01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: but but they end up getting hurt. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: those comments and what I said about the Giants, I

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01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't do enough to protect him on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. They didn't bring up a competition m

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01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, they drafted Eric Flowers and left tackle, and

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Speaker 1: I think after after year two, it was obvious that

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01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: he was struggling, that he was not a true left

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01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: tackle and he couldn't handle that position, and yet they

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01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 1: did nothing to fix that. They just kept, you know,

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01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: kept doing the same thing over and over again. As

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01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: you all know, that's the definition of insanity. So it

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01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: was tough to see, uh, to see some of those

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Speaker 1: great years that I know quarterbacks. Look when when you're

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01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 1: in these years right now that Philip Rivers is in

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01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: ben Ben Roethlisberger's and Drew Brees uh Eli, these are

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Speaker 1: some of their best years mentally that they're they're they're

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01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 1: on top of their game. Physically, their arm is still

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Speaker 1: uh still got that whip and got that burst. So

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Speaker 1: I felt like they did him in disservice um. You know.

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01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 1: I also I didn't like the offense that they were running.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're going to win in the NFC East,

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01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot like the AFCAS. You've got to be

2203
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 1: able to run the football in November December. There are

2204
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: some games when you just flat out to not throw

2205
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 1: the ball due to weather, due to due to wind,

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01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: um and I think you've got to have that that

2207
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 1: that offense for the last few years for the Giants.

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01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 1: They were awful in story artists, awful and go on,

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Speaker 1: and they had zero run games. So, uh, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what I was looting toy with that. And when

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01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: you have a guy that can win the game on

2212
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, I think it's your duty as a

2213
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: franchise to build a team around a quarterback that can

2214
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: get you into the game in fourth quarter. Sean, where

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01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 1: are the Giants now going into this year with sa

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01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, with Odell Beckham, what sort of a hear

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Speaker 1: do you expect from the Giants? Well, to me, the

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01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,560
Speaker 1: big question mark and I know everybody's focusing on on

2219
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: sa Quan, and I think it's a great pickup, a

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01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: great addition. I think this offense, the system is going

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01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:29,639
Speaker 1: to fit so much better. I think you're gonna see

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01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Eli under center a lot more. I think they're gonna

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01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: have some more big chunks through play action. You know

2224
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 1: a lot of their big plays over the last couple

2225
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: of years were let's throw a slant to Odell and

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01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 1: I hope he breaks three tackles, or you know, maybe

2227
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: we get him on a double move and look, you

2228
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: can sprinkle that in. But that can't be your bread

2229
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: and butter. That can't be your the staple of your offense.

2230
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: So I think sae Quan is going to add a

2231
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: big dimension for them. I think Giants fans would probably

2232
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: scratch their head at this one. When's the last time

2233
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 1: they saw a running back break a big run for

2234
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: a touch town When's the last time they saw running

2235
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: back to take a simple check down and make three

2236
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: guys miss and make a big run or take a

2237
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: screen pass. It's been a while. I think that demension

2238
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: is going to be big. I think the culture on

2239
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: this offense is going to change. And the one guy

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01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: that that kind of flies into the radar with the

2241
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: Giants and their second round pick, Will Hernandez. He didn't

2242
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 1: miss a game in college. He's a wrecking ball. And

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01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 1: I think that left guard putting him next to and

2244
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: they'd Solder is going to really help his run game

2245
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: as well as the passing game out. Um. But my

2246
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 1: questions really are defensively for the Giants. You know, when

2247
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: you look at that division, they've got three mobile quarterbacks

2248
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to face uh in Alex Smith, Dak Prescott,

2249
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz when he's healthy. Um, They've got some pretty

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01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: explosive offenses. They're gonna have to find a way to

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01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 1: shut down. And they're they're shifting from a four three

2252
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 1: scheme to a three four, so sometimes they can take

2253
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: defenses a little while to get adjusted to some of

2254
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 1: the alignments, some of the coverages. Um and I think

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01:47:58,439 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: that they've got to find a way to get after

2256
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback JPP through the trade to Tampa Bay, there's

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01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: kind of left to void. They've got to find a

2258
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: second and a third rusher alongside of Louisa Verna. Yeah,

2259
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:11,560
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that if you go to

2260
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 1: a four three, go to a three four from a

2261
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: four to three, there's gonna be some personnel changes and

2262
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: some of the guys, you know, somebody's got to leave

2263
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 1: the boat. I mean, you gotta have you have four

2264
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 1: linebackers instead of three, three defensive linemen instead of four.

2265
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: And I know that there's sometimes they have a guy

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01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: stand up as a defensive end and a four to

2267
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: three and turn into an outside linebacker or vice versa,

2268
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker turn into a defensive end. You know,

2269
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: some and quite frankly, they don't draft the right guys

2270
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: for those defenses, and the Giants making that switch. How

2271
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: long do you think it's going to take them to

2272
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 1: get their personnel right on the defensive front seven when

2273
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: you switch from you know, three a d lineman to

2274
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: four and four linebackers to three or vice versa. Yeah,

2275
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: it definitely changes, you know. I think it changes a

2276
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: lot of things. It changes, you know, defense is all

2277
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: about reading your keys, you know, and if you're a

2278
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: defensive end and used to having your hand in the ground,

2279
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 1: your keys are I'm reading through the the outside shoulder,

2280
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: the tackle, through the quarterback, through the running back, and

2281
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: now if you're standing up in a two point you're

2282
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: a little bit wider. You kind of got a different read.

2283
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think that that part of it you've got

2284
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 1: to get used to in training camp. So the first

2285
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind as Olivia Vernon. He's used

2286
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: to having his hand down on the ground. Now he's

2287
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,679
Speaker 1: a stand up guy, and now he's got a drop

2288
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 1: and coverage something he didn't really do a whole lot

2289
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: of as a defensive end. So there's a little bit

2290
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: more on his plate. The good news for him is

2291
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: Chamla Jones and James Betcher. James Betcher's offense down the

2292
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 1: Arizona he led the league in sacks last year, so

2293
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: I think he's excited about that. James Betcher brought Kareem

2294
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 1: Martin with him to kind of play sam linebacker, and

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Speaker 1: then they also signed Connor Borrowin right as camp just opened.

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Speaker 1: And I think Carl Mconnor Barrowin's one of those veteran

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01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: guys that could come in and give you a lot

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01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: of quality reps. He's got some great pass for shability,

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01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: and he's very familiar with that sam linebacker position. You know,

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01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: he was down in Philly with Pat Sherman before, so

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01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: they know him. He was with Wade Phillips in LA

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Speaker 1: under the three four last year, so he don't Having

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01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 1: veterans like that, I think i'll help. I'm really impressed

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Speaker 1: with alcohol Tree. I think that was a big pick

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01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: up for them defensively. He's done a great job with

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Speaker 1: this defense, getting everybody on the same page. But as

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01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 1: you mentioned, it really the inside guys. Allison Snacks Harrison,

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01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,560
Speaker 1: he played the three four with the Jets before he

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01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: came to the Giants. But some of those defensive end

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01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 1: positions now are more like deep tackles, and those guys

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01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: that can be a little bit different Sean O'Hara, NFL

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Speaker 1: Network Analysts. You can see Sean tonight on NFL Networks

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Speaker 1: Training Camp Primetime APM Eastern Sean, thanks for this. Hope

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01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: to talk to you again soon sometime. All right, Thanks guys, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not as hot there as it was on

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01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,560
Speaker 1: Friday night. No, a little better seventy five degrees. We

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01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: have a terrible rain early today. Thank you, Sean. Shan

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Speaker 1: John to sign the Subway Fresh Take hotline. Subway Eat

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01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 1: Fresh made some good points about the bills. I think

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01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I heard him say that he understands why people might

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01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: want to see Josh Allen sooner rather than later, right,

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01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: did you hear? Absolutely? The desires there. You want to

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01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: find out what he can do, and you want to

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01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: see him throw it, and you want to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: in your mind's eye, what you think he can become.

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01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: You want to see flashes of that, and you want

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01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: to see it as soon as possible, And the only

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01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:18,759
Speaker 1: way to do it is to get him on the field.

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01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that's the wisest way to go or

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen, actually, but there's no question that's

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01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: what everybody wants to see because people are in a

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01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 1: hurry to see their team win with a great quarterback. Yeah,

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01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 1: that's who they want, Sean, I mean that's who they

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01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: want Josh Allen to be. Yeah. And our Twitter pull

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01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 1: today deals with that question, what should the Bills plan

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01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: be for this Thursday night in the first preseason game?

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01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. Phone line's open eight

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Speaker 1: oh three h five fifty toll free one eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight by fifty two five fifty, or you can tweet

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01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 1: it in at one Bill's Life. Call on the line

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01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: on a different topic from Anthony and Niagara Falls. Anthony,

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01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air. Are you guys doing great?

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01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: We're doing great, Anthony. What's up? Hi? John and Steve?

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01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Anthony go ahead, you're onund the air. All right, John,

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01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing? Yeah, the guy's wanting to

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01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 1: tell you, John, were your BOFE to me? It's just

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01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: so great. I mean, I mean, you've been in my

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01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: household man a long time man, and never been in

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01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: your house. Oh, Steve, you were a better wide receiver

2350
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: man than anything. But I want to bring up, thanks Anthony,

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01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: compliments for both of its. Steve, I've never been in

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 1: Anthony's house. We thank you, Anthony. That was nice. Appreciate that.

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01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: All right, we got a lot to talk about, including

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01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 1: our topic of the day, what would your plan be

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01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: for the quarterback? Steve and I with a little bit

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01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: of disagreement, which it's unfortunate that Steve doesn't see things

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01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: my way, but we'll talk more about that when we

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01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: come back. We let her thoughts as well. Eighth three

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Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty Sean McDermott with a comment on Shack Lawson,

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01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 1: what's his status? And NFL true or false? All of

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01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 1: that coming up when we return. One. Bill's line from

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Speaker 1: Bill's Training Camp on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. Welcome back to Bill's training camp. John Murphy

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01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: and Steve Tasker here, and we're here until three o'clock.

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01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 1: A few minutes left, a few minutes for you to

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01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: join us if you'd like. We're out here, We are

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01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:48,720
Speaker 1: ready to go and ready to talk with you. We

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01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: put up a topic today, how would you handle the

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01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this Thursday? How would you play him? Peterman, McCarron,

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01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I said right from the outset I'd start

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01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 1: Josh Lynn and play the first half. See what you

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01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: got Steve thought Steve would play it more conservatively, right,

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01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 1: you would? You would go by the book. If you're

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01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 1: gonna play Josh Allen, play him all four games, all

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01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 1: four quarters. That's crazy. Why what you don't believe that.

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01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 1: You don't belave I don't believe it. Why would you

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01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: play him all four games, all four quarters? I get

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01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: him four games closer to being the guy's gonna be. Now,

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01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: that would be crazy. Then the Bills would be looked

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01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: at like they're fools, and they would be fools to

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01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: do that. You're not really and you're not saying that

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01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 1: for real? I know that. What right are you? If

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01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: you turn out to go and go twelve and four

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01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: with it doing that, then everybody will do that. No,

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01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: you don't believe that. I know, I don't know. I

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01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 1: don't believe they're going to do that. You don't believe

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01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 1: that that would be the right course of action either? No, No,

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01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: not if if they're not gonna if they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: start him on day one, No, but if they are

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01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 1: going to start him on day one, why would you

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01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: not do that day one? By day one you mean

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01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 1: September ninth, because you don't. First of all, you don't

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01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 1: want him to get hurt. Secondly, he doesn't need that much. Thirdly,

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01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: I want to see him play with the ones. I

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01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: want to se him play with the ones that you're

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01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't need that much. You're saying after four

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01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 1: preseason games, why do you gotta make it so difficult?

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01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 1: Team Megan, I'm exaggerating to make a point. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: point is start the guy that you're gonna start on

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01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: week one and give him some time. My point is

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Speaker 1: start the guy who might be your starter in September ninth,

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01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: and give him some time with the ones this Thursday.

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01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at me on this Thursday. If it

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01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 1: doesn't work on if Josh doesn't look ready Thursday, then

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01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: I'll look at something else. But I wanted him to

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01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 1: get reps. I want I'm eager to see him play,

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01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: and I think Thursdays so the right place to start

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01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: one of the let me hit you one of them.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we're losing this and we

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01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 1: don't know where the evaluation process is right now. We

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Speaker 1: don't know how much they think of Josh and how

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01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 1: ready they are how close to being ready they think

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Speaker 1: he is. And the same with Peterman and McCarron. We

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01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: don't know which one of these guys they think is

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Speaker 1: the guy they're gonna go too. Now, certainly all of

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Speaker 1: us project our feelings of AJ McCarron being a steady

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01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: veteran player in the NFL, veteran as there is on

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01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 1: the roster anyway. He's the guy that's not going to

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01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: be flap, you know, gonna be bothered by anything that

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01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:07,000
Speaker 1: happens on the football field in a preseason game. He's

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Speaker 1: the one that's gonna look like he can handle things

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Speaker 1: out there. So that's the reason, you know, we all

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01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 1: expect him to be the guy that's going to go

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01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 1: out there and take the first few series or first

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01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,640
Speaker 1: quarter or first half or whatever. You know, you pick

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01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: your time frame. So that's that's where we're all at.

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Speaker 1: The question is if you were the head coach, what

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01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: would you do? But everybody likes to say, you know,

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01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: because they feel like they know what's going to happen

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01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: down the road that affects their decision what they would

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01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 1: do right now. And that's the way, and that's the

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01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,280
Speaker 1: situation you find yourself in when you ask me if

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Speaker 1: you if you know Josh Allen is going to be

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Speaker 1: the guy week one, you got to get him all

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Speaker 1: the reps you can get in live action. And that's

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01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to play him for four

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01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: quarters before him. But that's the exaggerated to make that point.

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01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: You see why he'd be the guy in there. He'd

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Speaker 1: be playing through the first quarter, through the first middle

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01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 1: of the first half, you know, and or maybe even

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01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:03,160
Speaker 1: three quarters of the game. On the tweet sheet on

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Speaker 1: this question quarterbacks, how would you use him? Thursday? From

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01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet, John says, start mccaren more ready to

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01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 1: go against the ones, he says, Pickerman his joke for Peterman. Pickerman, second,

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01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: he needs to alleviate his poor performances. Don't throw Alan

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01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: to the wolves. Allow Alan to learn the playbook, consist

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01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: him in an easier to learn environment playing against third

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01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 1: string in the second half. I don't know that playing

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01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:26,840
Speaker 1: him in a preseason game has thrown him to the

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01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 1: wolf sheet. I have to be convinced of that. But Peterman,

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01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: let me say it again, doesn't he doesn't need to

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01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: alleviate his poor performances. I really don't think so. In

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01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 1: your mind, some of you, you think, first to Haff

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01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: against the Chargers, he's awful, and that's him, that's who

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01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 1: he is. That's not who he is. If the coaches

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01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: who see him every day, watch him practice and talk

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01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: with him and listen to him, uh digest film study,

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01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: they you know, the installed plays, they watch him practice.

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01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 1: If they believe that's who he was, he wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't even be in the rosters, wouldn't be on

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Speaker 1: the roster, and he wouldn't have been lying year. So

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01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: they know he's not that guy that we saw in

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01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: the first half of the Chargers game. So, in fact,

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01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot of a lot of compliments, a

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01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of praise from the coaching staff throughout this camp,

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01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people of headline that somebody said he

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01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,879
Speaker 1: had the day of all days yesterdays of Bill's quarterbacks.

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01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, he said he had a very good day yesterday.

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01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: So and they the fact that the Bills aren't naming

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01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 1: a starter. Now, whether you believe that they have not

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01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,680
Speaker 1: decided on a starter or not, they're not naming him.

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01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 1: And if you'd believe it, they haven't not picked Peterman

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01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: Thweet the starter right for lack of a better way

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01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: to say it from the tweet sheet Justin Young hearing

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Speaker 1: Brian day Ball on One Bill's Live, which Brian was

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Speaker 1: with us an hour and a half ago. Hearing Brian

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01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 1: Dayball on One Bill's Live talking about the offense and

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Speaker 1: what it will look like. He mentions that it's still evolving,

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01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: evolving as they evaluate the skill set of what they

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01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: have on the team. Justin you know him, goes on

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01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 1: to say, I've said it before, I'll say it again,

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01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 1: refreshing in capital letters. Yeah, what does that mean? What's

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01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 1: refreshing that Brian table refreshing that he says he wants

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01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 1: he wants to evaluate the skill set of who they

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01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: have on the team before they decide on what this

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01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: offense is gonna look like. I think that's refreshing. I

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01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: think it's good. I think a lot of people are

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01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: still getting caught up in the fact that they don't

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01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 1: believe they used Tyrod Taylor the way they should have

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01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 1: used Tyrod Taylor. And I don't know that I buy that,

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01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 1: but I think that's where that comes from a lot.

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01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I like about it, and it

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01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 1: goes to my point about the um the versatility of

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01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 1: the offense. I think Dabo wants to have a handbook

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01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: of several different ways they can play a game. I

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01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 1: think he's already started to institute that here. I talked

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01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 1: to him about it when he was with US an

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01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 1: hour and a half ago. And that is tailoring the offense.

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Speaker 1: So the skill set of what they have on the

2501
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: team is justin young points out, and it's also Taylor

2502
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: in the offense to who they're facing that day, and

2503
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 1: it's I think there's gonna by the time we get

2504
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: to September ninth, I think we'll start asking questions a player,

2505
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 1: players on offense about the sheer volume of stuff they have.

2506
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be pretty. It's gonna be a lot.

2507
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 1: And I think, and I asked Brian this, Dabo, I

2508
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 1: think that's difficult to do when you have three new

2509
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to the system and a bunch of younger players.

2510
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 1: One of those three quarterbacks are rookie, by the way,

2511
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a big challenge. I think it's a big challenge.

2512
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: What they're trying to do here, which I believe based

2513
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 1: on observation, is have a big volume playbook of different formations,

2514
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 1: different stuff they do offensively. I think it's a challenge.

2515
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent, because

2516
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:21,920
Speaker 1: that you've got three quarterbacks that are new to the offense,

2517
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of skill everybody's new to the offense. It's

2518
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: the first year. Plus you've got skill players who don't

2519
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,320
Speaker 1: even know their role on the team, who they don't

2520
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 1: know who the number two is gonna be. They don't

2521
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 1: know who the slot guy's going to be. They don't

2522
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: know who the X is going to be. Even Kelvin

2523
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: Benjamin doesn't know exactly he's been working in the slot

2524
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 1: in the X at the ZY. They're using concept methods

2525
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 1: where I think where these guys can move around in

2526
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 1: any different spot they want. Now you couple that with

2527
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:47,879
Speaker 1: the fact that your offensive line's got some new faces

2528
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 1: and these guys are all individually trying to play as

2529
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 1: good as they can play to win a spot on

2530
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: the roster. Wherein other teams like you take the Pages

2531
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 1: for instance, they've had the same offense, same quarterback, and

2532
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 1: same key components for a number of years. They don't

2533
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 1: have to go through any of this adjustment process. They

2534
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 1: don't have to go through any of this They in

2535
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: that environment. I've been a part of both ways. When

2536
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: you're installing an offense and when it's established, they're expected

2537
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:14,800
Speaker 1: to catch up. The new guys catch up. You don't

2538
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 1: wait for them. They catch up, and there's a lot

2539
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:19,320
Speaker 1: of things they skip over in the evolution of the

2540
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:22,400
Speaker 1: offense and they catch it later, but they get acclimated

2541
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: very quickly because they skip over the evolution of where.

2542
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, this place started like this, but then we

2543
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: started calling it like this because teams were defending us

2544
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:31,320
Speaker 1: like this. And then we change the name of it

2545
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 1: because it was so different. So when you change the

2546
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 1: name of it now it became evolving from there. And

2547
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: then we got this and we go back to that

2548
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:40,040
Speaker 1: first play we had and we call it again and

2549
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 1: use it the way we used to use it. You know,

2550
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 1: it's that kind of evolution that mentally you learn it,

2551
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 1: you learn it, it changes, you learn the change, and

2552
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,640
Speaker 1: you remember the old thing, and then you go back

2553
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,200
Speaker 1: to the old thing and change that again. So it's

2554
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:57,400
Speaker 1: it's an incredibly complicated process to get to an offense

2555
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:01,160
Speaker 1: that is established and you're putting everything and plunging it

2556
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:04,680
Speaker 1: in for the first time. None of that's even in

2557
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 1: play because you're just trying to learn the words. You know,

2558
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to learn the techniques of the routes, and

2559
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: your first year year in it and the first year

2560
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:13,160
Speaker 1: on this team, you're trying to find your way and

2561
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: use techniques to win a spot. And so that you

2562
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 1: can imagine that's the dynamic that's it worked for all

2563
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 1: these guys in this roster, and man, oh man, what

2564
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:23,720
Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts there is. This an interesting

2565
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 1: tweet on the quarterback question from Brian Cook, and I've

2566
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 1: actually thought about this watching practice here the other day.

2567
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: Brian Cook says the one thing that I think Rex

2568
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 1: Ryan may have done right. He says was utilizing the

2569
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 1: second field during the quarterback competition in his first year.

2570
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 1: While that may not have been possible with day Ball

2571
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 1: introducing a new offense, Ryan's approach certainly maximized quarterback repped

2572
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:49,120
Speaker 1: for later analysis. Remember Rex's first year three way quarterback competition. Right,

2573
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 1: it was Matt Castle, Right, I got this right. I

2574
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: think it's right, Matt Tyrod and EJ. Manuel and they

2575
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 1: would have two different, you know, team periods going on

2576
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: at once. Now. I never got a real answer as

2577
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,720
Speaker 1: that whether they worked in training camp, but they certainly

2578
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:06,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of reps in a lot of video

2579
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 1: to look at on the quarterbacks. There's nothing wrong with it,

2580
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 1: and it's it makes some sense in a number of ways.

2581
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Was that Castle, Yeah, I think I think you have

2582
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 1: to have a coaching staff. And let's face it, I

2583
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,200
Speaker 1: don't think that speaks to Brian Dable style. He wants

2584
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 1: to talk to these guys after every play. Yeah, and

2585
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 1: you can't do it when he's on another field, and

2586
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, you've got to have a

2587
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 1: coaching step. Now, there's another thing about Rex Ryan. They

2588
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 1: had twenty seven full assistants on the staff when his

2589
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 1: staff was here, twenty seven, which is it's almost laughable. Yeah,

2590
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: it's almost laughable. So they had some enough coaches to

2591
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 1: spread around. Not all of them had a lot of experience.

2592
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:44,400
Speaker 1: But I think that's one thing that mutes that you

2593
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 1: have to have coaches that are comfortable going through the

2594
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 1: rep and then coaching it up later on film and

2595
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: not live right there as they did it. There's one

2596
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,960
Speaker 1: more tweet, this one from Brian Cook Cookie. I guess

2597
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:56,720
Speaker 1: they need to start McCarron the first half Thursday, as

2598
02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 1: Steve said, let him work through any problems put Peterman

2599
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 1: in for it least the third quarter and into the

2600
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: fourth if he needs to finish the drive, and after that,

2601
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:07,800
Speaker 1: let Alan finish out the game. If you do that,

2602
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:09,920
Speaker 1: and I get that's a valid thing, they might wind

2603
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:12,440
Speaker 1: up doing that. But what you're doing is you're treating

2604
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:14,720
Speaker 1: Josh Hammon like he's you know, your sixth round pick

2605
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: from you know, Winona or something. You know what I mean.

2606
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 1: Let him finish, Let him finish against the threes, finish

2607
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,440
Speaker 1: up the game, mop up for us. He's the seventh

2608
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 1: overall pick. He's a potential future franchise quarterback. I want

2609
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 1: to see him play. I think they want to see

2610
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 1: him play. What are we waiting for it? Let him

2611
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:32,440
Speaker 1: Start him with the ones this Thursday. I'm not talking

2612
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: about anything beyond this Thursday. Start him with the ones.

2613
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 1: See how he looks. Maybe you find something. What do

2614
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:39,840
Speaker 1: you mean let him mop up being just a guy

2615
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:42,920
Speaker 1: just another arm or having camp. He's not just another

2616
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 1: arm He's the seventh overall pick. He's the guy that

2617
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:48,480
Speaker 1: you've met your entire franchise on. Yeah, I just let

2618
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:52,040
Speaker 1: him mop up. Being that high draft it doesn't give

2619
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,440
Speaker 1: you anything. You gotta earn it. Your high draft pick

2620
02:04:54,520 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 1: or not. Yep, he hasn't earned He hasn't earned a

2621
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 1: chance to start a food Isn't that anything wrong? Anything wrong?

2622
02:05:00,040 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: Hasn't earned a chance to start in a football game yet.

2623
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: That's why he won't. When he earns it, he'll get it.

2624
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 1: Here's a call from Chad and Niagara Falls. Hello, Chad, Well,

2625
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 1: gloss over my great point that I just made. Chad's

2626
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna bolster my point, Chad. Go ahead, you're ahead, Chad.

2627
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:18,680
Speaker 1: How's it going, guys? Thanks for taking my cloth? You

2628
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: bet um? I think we should play out as much

2629
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 1: as possible. He's supposed to be our future, right then.

2630
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:27,600
Speaker 1: I think we need to get him out there and

2631
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 1: see how he handles himself. I mean, if he can't

2632
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 1: handle failure, he's never gonna make it as an NFL quarterback.

2633
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 1: Good point, Chad, And what you just said there sounds

2634
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 1: a little bit like remember our conversation with Bill Parcels. Well,

2635
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:45,240
Speaker 1: he asked him, he told them you gotta be ready

2636
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:49,240
Speaker 1: to well, well, I'm paraphrasing. Parcel's talking to who Sam

2637
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 1: Darnold and Josh Allen before the draft I think it

2638
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 1: was before the drafts said yeah, hey be ready for

2639
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:56,520
Speaker 1: the game that you blow. Be ready for the game

2640
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:58,400
Speaker 1: where you're awful, and you got to go back in

2641
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,960
Speaker 1: that locker room on Monday and handle it and be

2642
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 1: and promise your teammates you're better next week. Yeah, that's

2643
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 1: part of it. Now does that happen in a preseason loss?

2644
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: And probably not, But it's part of the learning process.

2645
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:13,240
Speaker 1: For Josh Allen everybody else, that is part of the

2646
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,840
Speaker 1: learning process. And it's also part of the job. You're

2647
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna stink sometimes, and as a quarterback, when you stink,

2648
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 1: the team suffers. For it's not just you and your career,

2649
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 1: it's it's everybody. And you got to be willing to

2650
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 1: step back in the huddle and look guys in the

2651
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: eye and say, hey, guys, that was my fault. I'm

2652
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 1: not gonna let it happen again. Let's go and get

2653
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 1: him to join you again. Um, that's hard. And parcels

2654
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:38,520
Speaker 1: is you know he's He's not in the Hall of

2655
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:43,880
Speaker 1: Fame for no reason. The guy was an outstanding head coach,

2656
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 1: mostly because he was a very intelligent guy and he

2657
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:50,160
Speaker 1: was a great leader. Guys rallied around him, and he

2658
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: knew how to talk to people and get the most

2659
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 1: out of him. And that's the thing that he said

2660
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen and and H. S. Darnold that you

2661
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 1: just that you just mentioned. I think it's brilliant because

2662
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,040
Speaker 1: every quarterback that he's talked to has been through that

2663
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: where they have stunk it up. Every Hall of Fame quarterback,

2664
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:06,840
Speaker 1: that's right, every great quarterback, and they had to get

2665
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 1: back in the huddle and say, listen, that's my bad.

2666
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: Let's go. When you've got to forget about it. And

2667
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 1: when you're able to do that, you become a better quarterback.

2668
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 1: And I've said this too, if they were to if

2669
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:22,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing got construed around and you want to

2670
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 1: see Josh Owen, he played well enough in the preseason

2671
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:26,680
Speaker 1: to give himself a chance, and he started on Week one.

2672
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:30,839
Speaker 1: It was it would be my contention, unless he's injured,

2673
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 1: you don't take him out for any reason. I don't

2674
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 1: care how bad he plays, because if you take him out,

2675
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 1: it stops the progress right there, and you're gonna have

2676
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,040
Speaker 1: to start from behind that when he comes back in,

2677
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 1: you've got to get him. He's gonna stink. You've got

2678
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 1: to get him through that to start playing better so

2679
02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 1: that he'll earn his way out of his own mess.

2680
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Teams put these young guys in and

2681
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: then the first time they struggle, they get the hook

2682
02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:00,120
Speaker 1: and they pull him out and sit him down. I

2683
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:03,360
Speaker 1: don't buy that there, Peterman at the Chargers first half,

2684
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:06,240
Speaker 1: five interceptions. They had to get him out of that game.

2685
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:09,880
Speaker 1: They had no to save him. It was it was

2686
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:12,800
Speaker 1: bad he was playing, so I was the firsts not

2687
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:14,800
Speaker 1: his fault, but he got bad. He started throwing bad

2688
02:08:14,840 --> 02:08:17,320
Speaker 1: interceptions and it was time. I have no problem with that.

2689
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 1: They had to save him. He wouldn't. They were gonna

2690
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:21,440
Speaker 1: win that game. They had to save him. I know

2691
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,879
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna. I see. That's where you and I disagree.

2692
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,160
Speaker 1: That's where you make or break him because I'll tell

2693
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 1: you what. You leave him out there and he comes

2694
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 1: out of that better, or he throws five more picks

2695
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,720
Speaker 1: in the second half, then you cut him. Then if

2696
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,840
Speaker 1: he can't listen, if they can't, if he can't get

2697
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:38,840
Speaker 1: out of that, he'll never be anything else. And now

2698
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 1: you don't even know. At least you know then and

2699
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:44,720
Speaker 1: now you'd be have a different third risk quarterback here

2700
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:46,640
Speaker 1: and you'd be on past it. But now if you

2701
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 1: let him fight through that. Now, all these people that

2702
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:51,240
Speaker 1: are talking about those five interceptions, they're shut up. They

2703
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:52,920
Speaker 1: don't have to listen to them, and he doesn't either.

2704
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,240
Speaker 1: He's passed that and they went through that with him.

2705
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 1: You gotta stay with him. You gotta stay with these

2706
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:00,680
Speaker 1: guys through that stuff. You bail loud on him. Why

2707
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:02,560
Speaker 1: did you stick him in there in the first place. Well,

2708
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Speaker 1: you gotta bait. You gotta let them grow through it.

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Speaker 1: You're like a you're spoiling your child. You're not letting

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Speaker 1: them suffer the consequences of their own lack of preparation,

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02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:15,480
Speaker 1: their own bad decisions. You gotta let them suffer. Call

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Speaker 1: here from John and North Buffalo. Hello John. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you win the argument, by the way, just because

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Speaker 1: I move on in the interest in moving the show

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Speaker 1: off the mark, John and North Buffalo is on the

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Speaker 1: line with us, John, Go ahead, John. I was better

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Speaker 1: up until the last couple of minutes. Hello, go ahead, John. Yes,

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Speaker 1: can you hear me? Yes? Hello? Go ahead John. You're

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Speaker 1: on the air. Can't wait? Sorry, John? All right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break here where you've got more coming

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Speaker 1: up a few minutes more. Anyway, one Bill's Live from

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Speaker 1: Bill's Training Camp and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. What

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Speaker 1: have we Learned? Is presented by Advanced Alarm Providing Western

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. What have we learned from our guest

2727
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:25,040
Speaker 1: lineup today? Steve Taskers, I don't know what are you's

2728
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 1: killing yourself laughing about something that cracked me up? What

2729
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:31,520
Speaker 1: have we learned today from our guests? We had Corey

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02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:34,080
Speaker 1: Coleman on ran New Bills wide receiver. We asked him

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02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:36,080
Speaker 1: if he's looking forward to getting a fresh start to

2732
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:38,480
Speaker 1: his NFL career after the trade from Cleveland to the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I'm gonna come in and compete and be

2734
02:10:44,080 --> 02:10:46,600
Speaker 1: the best version of you know, Corey Coleman and me.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel. And you know, um, that's my

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02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 1: whole mindset. Like I got said, everyone's like, oh you

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Speaker 1: post or anything, you got some top proove That's the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wake up and think right, you know,

2739
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Speaker 1: and I want to help this organization be the best

2740
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Speaker 1: version Corey Coleman, Brand New Bills wide receiver. Also, today

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Speaker 1: we have Brian Dable on the show, the Bill's offensive coordinator,

2742
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:14,480
Speaker 1: and he gave us kind of an overview of his

2743
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:19,120
Speaker 1: philosophy of coaching these quarterbacks here at Bill's camp. You know,

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02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:21,120
Speaker 1: that's your job as the coach is to give you know,

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02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:27,080
Speaker 1: positive feedback or constructive criticism on every play, right, whether

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Speaker 1: that's a read of the coverage, a technique, a movement

2747
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and not just with the quarterbacks, which

2748
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:35,480
Speaker 1: is obviously important, but everybody so that we're on the

2749
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:37,760
Speaker 1: same page, because, as you know, you know, the only

2750
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Speaker 1: way to operate offensively is to have trust amongst all

2751
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Speaker 1: eleven guys. That is Brian Dable. We have good guests today,

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable, Daryl Talley joined us. Just had Sean Ohia

2753
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Speaker 1: from NFL Network. We got a caller on the line

2754
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Speaker 1: from Eden, New York. PAULA. Needon, had some thoughts on

2755
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Speaker 1: how the Bills, what he would do with the Bills

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks on Thursday night. Paul go ahead, Yeah, hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, why couldn't it just take like okay,

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02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 1: Alan first, mc karen's second, Peterman third started out like

2759
02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:11,680
Speaker 1: that okay start with each quarterback does one quarter all

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02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 1: the way through the whole four games, which is what

2761
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:20,120
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen quarters, each one of them would get five quarters.

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02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:23,360
Speaker 1: It's all about reps. Who cares if you win or lose,

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02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:28,600
Speaker 1: and the last, the last quarter, the beast quarterback gets

2764
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 1: to play it. I guess I could do that. I mean,

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02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,720
Speaker 1: the problem the issue is who are they playing with?

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02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:37,879
Speaker 1: Who are they playing against? You know, if you're rotating

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Speaker 1: like that, you're not gonna play with one. He's right though,

2768
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Speaker 1: but I but here's the thing. You get three guys

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Speaker 1: one third ready to play for opening day. That's the reason.

2770
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Speaker 1: And then so you get into the last two weeks

2771
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Speaker 1: the season when you got to name a starter and

2772
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 1: finally he's gonna actually start getting some meaningful reps ten

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Speaker 1: days before you have to play a real game. And

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02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 1: that's that you're gonna get three guys sort of ready

2775
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:59,240
Speaker 1: to play instead of one guy really ready to play.

2776
02:12:59,480 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's the downside to that. But I get it.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to pick a guy, you got to

2778
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: find a way to pick it, and you gotta keep

2779
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:06,200
Speaker 1: it equal and fair and in a way that you

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02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:09,320
Speaker 1: can compare the guys so it is. It is a problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get word. In fact that

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott today refused to tell us how he was

2783
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Speaker 1: going to use quarterbacks Thursday night. You might not know

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02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 1: till seven o'clock, seven oh three, who's starting a quarterback

2785
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Speaker 1: for the Bills, right Yeah, And today he wouldn't tell us.

2786
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:25,080
Speaker 1: And he was a good reason he hadn't. He hadn't

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02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:26,760
Speaker 1: told the team. He hadn't told the players that the

2788
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't know, the running backs don't know that nobody

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02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:33,160
Speaker 1: knows how much they're gonna play on Thursday. And until

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02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:34,800
Speaker 1: he tells them, he didn't want to tell anybody else.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the right way to do it. What

2792
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Speaker 1: a great show we had today here at training camp.

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Speaker 1: We're back here at camp next week next Monday. What

2794
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Speaker 1: a great show we have on the books for tomorrow

2795
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 1: will be an Orchard Park tomorrow. Jim Zokie will join

2796
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Speaker 1: us tomorrow at one o'clock. He is part of the

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Speaker 1: radio team for the Carolina Panthers. Get a preview on

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's opponents. They want eleven games last year. We're talking

2799
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Speaker 1: about that in the car today. You forget about that

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Speaker 1: Carolina is coming off a very good year. Here's the

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Speaker 1: premium guest, Brian or Lacker, fresh off his induction into

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Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, will join us live

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at two. Can you ever play against? No, you

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Speaker 1: know against I think I did? Really? No, No, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't have played. Yeah I did. Actually I had to

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Speaker 1: find out. Our productive production assistants George Blast, Jeff Colton, That,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Honold Or, Kelly Rude, JJ Turto, Kevin Cardi, James Robell.

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Speaker 1: Our producer Jay Harris puts it all together for us.

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Speaker 1: We're done here at training camp until next Monday. We

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Speaker 1: will see you from Orchard Park coming up tomorrow. One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Life, presented by Callid to Health, will be at

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive tomorrow on Buffalo Bill's Radio