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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody live from my Long Island bunker.

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Happy fuck It Friday to

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Speaker 1: all of you. There is a lot to say fuck

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Speaker 1: it to today, and I am going to begin with

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite fuck it argets, which is Moscow

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Speaker 1: Mick Trader, Speaker, Leader Turtle Looker, Mitch McConnell. Now, why

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Speaker 1: why am I going after Mitch McConnell on this particular

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Speaker 1: fucking Friday Because he is a piece of trash. So

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Speaker 1: in Governor Cuomo's daily briefing that he provided yesterday, he

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Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that Mitch McConnell has referred to providing states,

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Speaker 1: very hard hit states with the coronavirus as a quote

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Speaker 1: blue state bailout. So it has become crystal clear that

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Speaker 1: Republicans are just fucking evil, right, and Mitch McConnell, with

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Speaker 1: his turtle fucking face, is the leader of that evil.

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Speaker 1: How you look at this country through a prism, through

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Speaker 1: the perspective of just blue or red and not one

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Speaker 1: country that you can decide and pick and choose who

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Speaker 1: you care about and who you don't, and who, by

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Speaker 1: virtue of your statement of stop blue state bailouts, are

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Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice, which are Democrats. So essentially Republicans no longer.

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Speaker 1: And I want this to be made fucking clear, do

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Speaker 1: not ever refer to the Republican Party as a pro

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Speaker 1: life party. They are a pro power party, and they

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Speaker 1: are a pro whiteness party, and they are pro nationalist,

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Speaker 1: but they are not pro life. They don't give a

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Speaker 1: fuck about you, about your loved ones, about first responders,

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Speaker 1: about healthcare workers, about any goddamn person unless you are

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Speaker 1: making them money or giving them money. They don't give

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Speaker 1: a fuck. Mitch McConnell is trash. Donald Trump fucking trash.

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Speaker 1: You know. One of the questions that I keep asking

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Speaker 1: myself as we are moving further and further into this

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Speaker 1: crisis and understanding folks, you know once Germany Anheala Merkel

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Speaker 1: in October, in the fall, it should ring true for

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Speaker 1: all of us that what we are doing right now,

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Speaker 1: this sheltering in place, this flattening of the curve, this

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Speaker 1: social distancing, this is the year. And if we're looking

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Speaker 1: at history as our guide in terms of the Spanish

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Speaker 1: flu and other pandemics, you're talking about two years. We

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Speaker 1: were told by doctor Fauci and other researchers and other

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Speaker 1: twenty million people a day, you cannot successfully reopen. Now,

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Speaker 1: what else has come to my come to my attention

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Speaker 1: on this fucket Friday. Not only is there a rush

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to us, to us white folks, us

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I got into an argument with

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Speaker 1: then why would you give a fuck? You hate them anyway, right,

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Speaker 1: you All of your policies, all of your actions, all

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Speaker 1: But trust and believe this virus doesn't know Democrat from Republican,

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Speaker 1: is happening will in fact spread. That's what viruses fucking do.

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Speaker 1: They will go after the most vulnerable populations. And when

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Speaker 1: talking about economic vulnerability as well as health vulnerability. We're

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Speaker 1: There are people walking around with signs that say sacrifice

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Speaker 1: pure fucking evil. Because I will tell you that if

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Speaker 1: I find it's so disturbing that Democrats right now, are

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy and just plainly calling them fucking evil. You're a murderer,

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Speaker 1: You're talking about beauty parlors in Georgia and nail salons

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp to believe that even Donald Trump would come

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Speaker 1: it's too soon, But you know it's up to him.

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Speaker 1: This is the same man that tweeted out liberate the States.

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Speaker 1: And so now these stupid fucking governors, namely Brian Kemp,

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Speaker 1: saying that? Right? But they work from a political ostrich

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Speaker 1: continue to be cogs in a wheel and put money

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Speaker 1: That's where we are. That's the reality. There's no mincing

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, folks, this always comes

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Speaker 1: back to money. Money. I tell you that Wu Tang

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Speaker 1: the further divisiveness of political affiliation in this country. We

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Speaker 1: this more divided. More divisive, more volatile than anything else.

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Speaker 1: For months, I've been saying that things will get bloody

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Speaker 1: They are willing to sacrifice you. They are willing to

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Speaker 1: go to war to protect their guns and their pockets,

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Speaker 1: but not your public health. Think about that when you

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Speaker 1: Ned Price, who is the director of policy and Communications

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Speaker 1: under our favorite president, the only one that we acknowledge

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Speaker 1: right now, Barack Obama. Ned, welcome back. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me back, Danielle. So the world politically seems to get

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Speaker 1: but Trump, Trump and his desire to do anything for

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Speaker 1: ignoring data and information. It seems like the Trumpist Republicans

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Speaker 1: have a one track mine money above all else. Right,

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Speaker 1: talk to me about what you have been learning and

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Speaker 1: who falls over is Chinese Chinese counterpart Jijan King by

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Speaker 1: one count fifteen times. You know, we've all heard and

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Speaker 1: read these quotes Trump praising She for his transparency, for

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Speaker 1: and that is their transparency, because they aren't. Everyone knows that. No,

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Speaker 1: of course, um and you know, the Trump administration and

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Speaker 1: Trump was talking about was less She's coronavirus response, and

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Speaker 1: his words were actually more about protecting this so called

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Speaker 1: trade deal that was coming to fruition at this very

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Speaker 1: same time. You know, Danielle Trump's Phase one trade deal

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Speaker 1: we heard from from some of his senior advisors about

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Speaker 1: this so called Chinese virus as they try to Now

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Speaker 1: we're hearing that the virus is Republican or a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: and that is equally false. The virus can't be read,

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Speaker 1: the virus can't be blue, it can't even be purple.

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Speaker 1: It's a virus, And you know, it's it's remarkable to

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Speaker 1: hear Mitch McConnell talk about the red states failing out

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Speaker 1: the blue states for a couple of reasons. Number One,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a consistent redistribution of wealth in this country

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Speaker 1: from blue states to red. But that's really unimportant and

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to harp on that in

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Speaker 1: this point. I think the more important point is that

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Speaker 1: the federal government is there for a reason. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: obviously we have a federal system. There is an arrangement

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Speaker 1: between the federal government and the states. But I think

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing play out, and President Trump and those

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Speaker 1: around him have epitomized this consistently, is this um sort

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Speaker 1: of belief on the part of the administration, especially on

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Speaker 1: the part of the president and his family members, that uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the president is sort of this Louis the

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Speaker 1: fourteenth character. There's no distinction between the president and the states,

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Speaker 1: and the president pulls all the levers and everything within

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Speaker 1: the state belongs to him. I was my mouth was

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Speaker 1: on the floor when I heard Jared Kushner say something

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Speaker 1: to the effect of, you know, these are our ventilator.

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Speaker 1: I almost died, our ventilators. It's it's really remarkable, um

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Speaker 1: in the way that the president and his son in

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Speaker 1: law in this case have seemed to have appropriated all

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Speaker 1: of the resources of the state, UM and thinking that

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Speaker 1: it's theirs to dole out at their whim, not based

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Speaker 1: on the means and the demands of the American people

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Speaker 1: who are suffering in these states. And not to take

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Speaker 1: it back to impeachment again, but but there is something

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Speaker 1: remarkably consistent in the way this president thinks about the

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Speaker 1: resources of the federal government, the resources of the United

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Speaker 1: Tape of America. Remember he, the President Trump had at

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Speaker 1: his disposal, tried to leverage and exploit nearly four hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars friends to essentially buy or the blackmail or

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Speaker 1: extort the Ukrainians into manufacturing dirt on Vice President Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden and his son Um. This is something that in

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Speaker 1: mc mulvaney would have us believe that it's something the

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Speaker 1: administration does all the time. And so, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it was shocking to hear it in the case

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Speaker 1: of coronavirus and ventilators. But he unfortunately has been a

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Speaker 1: theme that has that has crept into so much of

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Speaker 1: what disadministration has tried to do in terms of both

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Speaker 1: the domestic policy of the staves, these of the other priorities,

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Speaker 1: and it is foreign policies we discussed. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nad and maybe you're a bit

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Speaker 1: more hopeful than I am. I don't know how it

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Speaker 1: is going to be possible to write these incredible wrongs.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we've gotten to a place in our

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Speaker 1: politics where the Senate majority leader is essentially saying that

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Speaker 1: it is fine for people to die because they are

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Speaker 1: from a different political party. I don't know how anyone

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Speaker 1: whether it, you know, if it's obviously our only chance

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Speaker 1: is Biden, as he is the presumptive nominee. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how he wraps his arms around how far we

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Speaker 1: have fallen as a country. I don't know how you,

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Speaker 1: you know, aside from turning your back on our foreign allies,

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Speaker 1: you have also as the federal government, turn your back

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Speaker 1: on your own goddamn states, right and so I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And maybe maybe you have an idea.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how how you how you write

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Speaker 1: the ship on that, how you how you get rid

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Speaker 1: of this level of I mean, callousness is not is

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Speaker 1: not even the best descriptor for for what they are

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Speaker 1: showing the Republican Party is showing towards states right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's pure evil. Honestly, you know, it's interesting you bring

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Speaker 1: that up. I teach it Georgetown, and part and parcel

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Speaker 1: of the class is a look at at Watergate, um

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Speaker 1: and some of the abuses that took place in that context.

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Speaker 1: And um, of course there are similarities between the abuses

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Speaker 1: we saw then and what we've seen during this presidency,

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Speaker 1: and the point that I make is the coming out

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Speaker 1: of Watergate, the American people had a tremendous resource in

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Speaker 1: the form of Capitol Hill, in the form of Congress,

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Speaker 1: because Congress took it upon itself and a bipartisan fashion

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Speaker 1: to form legislation and to put forward reforms that helped

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Speaker 1: us to ensure that President Nixon's behavior was seen as

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Speaker 1: an admiration. We installed inspectors general throughout the government. We

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Speaker 1: reformed our surveillance laws, We made reforms to our intelligence

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Speaker 1: and law enforcement communities, essentially taking a holistic look at everything.

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Speaker 1: President Richard Nixon did everything he abused in finding legislative

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Speaker 1: fixes for that, to ensure that another president couldn't do

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Speaker 1: precisely that, and also to reinforce the norms that he

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Speaker 1: invitally and violated. Of course, this period is not dissimilar

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Speaker 1: from Watergate in some ways, but the Congress we have

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Speaker 1: today that we had in the post Watergate era is

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Speaker 1: entirely different. And to think of bipartisan reforms coming out

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Speaker 1: of the Trump presidency to reinforce norms that should be

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Speaker 1: basic rules of thumb to Republicans and Democrats, a life,

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Speaker 1: that American tax care funds can't be used for extortive purposes,

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Speaker 1: that the resources of the state don't belong to the president,

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Speaker 1: that the President can't intervene in investigations, so forth, and

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Speaker 1: so on. You cannot imagine anything close to that coming

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Speaker 1: out of the Republican led Senate and the Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the House that we have. Now we are lucky, in

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Speaker 1: the midst of a crisis to be able to find

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Speaker 1: limited points of agreement about essentially salvaging the American economy,

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Speaker 1: ensuring that millions upon millions of Americans aren't left without

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Speaker 1: their entire livelihoods. But beyond that, I have very low

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Speaker 1: hopes for what is possible coming out of Congress, and

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Speaker 1: especially in a post Trump era, if the Republicans were

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Speaker 1: to have to admit that perhaps their president, the one

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Speaker 1: may supported to the hilt, was not the paragon of

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Speaker 1: virtue and leadership that they have portrayed throughout this period. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I mean my feeling on that is, you know, again,

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Speaker 1: hindsight will be twenty twenty, but you legislate a fix

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Speaker 1: is to your point, would never work now, right, because

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Speaker 1: we can't trust the Senate and so in less there

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Speaker 1: is a major blue tsunami that sweeps in keeps the

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Speaker 1: House wins, the Senate and the White House. I don't

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Speaker 1: foresee bipartisanship in terms of a fix because in order

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Speaker 1: to fix a problem, you would have to admit there

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Speaker 1: was a problem, and we are not in a space

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Speaker 1: or time when Republicans will admit anything. And so it's

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Speaker 1: just one big gas lighting event after another. And so

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Speaker 1: until we can come face to face with what exactly

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Speaker 1: has happened and transpired to our country, I don't see

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Speaker 1: how we make sure that a Trump and Trump is

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Speaker 1: um doesn't happen again. Couldn't agree more ned, thank you

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Speaker 1: as always for joining woke F daily. I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: insights so so very much, even though they depress me

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Speaker 1: more when we get off the phone then that I

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Speaker 1: actually want to be. But folks need to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to all of the moving pieces. Well, thanks Daniel, It's

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Speaker 1: always it's always a pleasure, even if it is equally

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Speaker 1: depressing up my end. Well, uh, stay safe, stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: and safe travels to you um this week and this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, appreciate it. Very excited to welcome back

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Speaker 1: to woke F Daily Glenn Kirshner, MSNBC legal analyst and

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Speaker 1: former thirty year federal prosecutor, Glenn, good morning, Good morning, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: So there was news yesterday, as there is every day,

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Speaker 1: but in this case, my eyebrows raised a bit, probably

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Speaker 1: about a foot off of my face when I saw

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Speaker 1: that William barr Us, Attorney General, is saying that he's

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Speaker 1: going to use or will use, or can use the

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Speaker 1: power of the Department of Justice to go after governors

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Speaker 1: over their own social distancing guidelines around COVID nineteen. How

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Speaker 1: is that possible? I think the short answer is it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's really not a thing. And if I still have

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Speaker 1: the capacity to be amused these days, I would be

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Speaker 1: amused by this because how often have we heard the

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Speaker 1: Republican ideologues, the so called federalists, yell and scream about

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Speaker 1: states rights and about how the federal government, you know,

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Speaker 1: is evil and overreaching, and particularly Barack Obama can't do

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Speaker 1: this and he can't do that because it's a states

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Speaker 1: rights issue. And here's the thing. Often, you know, I

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Speaker 1: would say, in theory, they are correct that the states

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Speaker 1: are the ones with most of the power and most

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Speaker 1: of the rights given the way our federal government is constructed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Tenth Amendment says, basically, the rights of

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Speaker 1: the federal government are very few, and they're enumerated in

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. The rights of the states are unlimited. So

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Speaker 1: Bill Barr, you know, this is just another bully tactic

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Speaker 1: and it's probably another diversionary move to try to draw

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Speaker 1: a ten away from the fact that President Trump in

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Speaker 1: a way that in my opinion, is criminal, is killing Americans.

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Speaker 1: I just don't under I don't understand this Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: and I don't understand them because it seems that they

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Speaker 1: are on the side of everything that is opposite to

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Speaker 1: what was foundational to their ideology exactly. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how we reconcile that, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they are reconciling that with themselves.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how William Barr. On one hand, we

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Speaker 1: can disregard the voices of actual protesters who, for instance,

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Speaker 1: were protesting police brutality like those in Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 1: and get up before a dinner party and essentially say that, well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like the police, right, they don't have

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Speaker 1: to protect you. That's what he said with regard to

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Speaker 1: black and brown communities, that we're protesting against police brutality

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Speaker 1: and the recognition of their humanity. Then you have white

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Speaker 1: right wing protesters with AAR fifteens marching up the steps

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Speaker 1: of capitals around this country, capital buildings around this country,

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Speaker 1: saying that they don't want to believe in social distancing,

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Speaker 1: they don't believe in COVID, they think it's all a hoax.

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Speaker 1: I wonder where they got that from, and nothing is

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Speaker 1: happening to them, And instead William Barr's decided to go

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Speaker 1: after governors because they are governors that are Democrats. How

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Speaker 1: do we return from this glen? We return from it,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, by once a law abiding president takes

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Speaker 1: over in January and appoints a law enforcing Attorney general.

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Speaker 1: We go about sort ofthodically, but with boundless energy and determination,

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Speaker 1: undoing all of the crimes of the past four years

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Speaker 1: committed by our government officials, both appointed and elected, and

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Speaker 1: their family members. And we restore the institutions to the

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Speaker 1: sort of decency that I think they enjoyed in in

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Speaker 1: the years before Trump. We restore the rule of law,

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Speaker 1: We unpack the courts we saw another story today about

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Speaker 1: McConnell saying no vacancy will be left behind, which I

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Speaker 1: thought was equal parts cute and evil. The cute was

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Speaker 1: the praising part. We unpack the courts, which can absolutely

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Speaker 1: be done honestly and ethically by simply investigating the appointment

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Speaker 1: process that led to each of these judges being nominated

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Speaker 1: and then, more importantly, their confirmation hearing testimony, because if

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Speaker 1: you scrub that testimony for lies, you will find lies.

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Speaker 1: We saw Kavanaughs lies in real time on live TV.

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Speaker 1: That we don't let that lie. We don't let that

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Speaker 1: go unaddressed. This is not revenge and it's not political payback.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing more than fulfilling the rule of law, albeit

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Speaker 1: in a slightly delayed fashion. We will do it, and

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Speaker 1: we can do it not for politics, but because it's

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do by the American people. So

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Speaker 1: we will unravel all this. We will get after it.

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Speaker 1: It's just going to have to wait until January. You know.

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Speaker 1: My fear here though, is what happened with the Bush

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Speaker 1: administration and lying about weapons of mass destruction and taking

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Speaker 1: us into a war in Iraq that we didn't need

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Speaker 1: to be in. Right, Like my fear is that we

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Speaker 1: actually do as a party right let things lie. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and and and I have

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Speaker 1: other folks that have come on the show and they say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Democrats want to always take the high road

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Speaker 1: and they don't want to play politics, and any time

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Speaker 1: that a Republican goes after them and says that they

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Speaker 1: are playing politics, then they back off of the case.

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Speaker 1: And I don't believe that we actually get right as

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Speaker 1: a country, on the right path, right where where laws

651
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Speaker 1: matter and the constitution matters, unless we do something about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and this entire administration. I agree, I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 1: So two thoughts. One is midway through the book that

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Speaker 1: is the it's called the Prosecution of George W. Bush

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Speaker 1: from Murder by Vincent Bibliozzi, who was the you know,

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Speaker 1: the famous um Manson prosecutor out in California, and I've

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Speaker 1: read a number of his books, and he sets out

658
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: a pretty compelling case for why George Bush committed crimes

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Speaker 1: and should be held accountable for them. And I think

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Speaker 1: that makes a pretty compelling case. But I think there

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Speaker 1: is a ten times more compelling case to be made

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump for at a minimum negligent homicide, involuntary

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Speaker 1: manslaughter for what he is doing to the American people

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Speaker 1: at this moment, killing them off as a result of

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Speaker 1: his at a minimum ramp and incompetence. So I think

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Speaker 1: we have I agree with you that there is a

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Speaker 1: strong inclination to turn the other chief, let bygones bygones

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Speaker 1: and put the long national nightmare behind us once the

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Speaker 1: wrongdoers are no longer in power. But here's the example

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Speaker 1: that I've I've used to try to drive home how

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Speaker 1: this is. It's not about being vindictive for political reasons.

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00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: It's about it's about, you know, abiding by the law.

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Speaker 1: Let's assume that one of Donald Trump's Let's make it

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to. Let's make it

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Speaker 1: Don Junior, Don Junior commits a bank robbery, right, and

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Speaker 1: a bank robbery is a federal offense because, you know,

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Speaker 1: unlike the robbery of a seven eleven or an eyehop,

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Speaker 1: because the money deposited in a bank is federally insured.

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00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: That makes a bank robbery a federal crime, which is

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Speaker 1: why the FBI and not local law enforcement, investigates a

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Speaker 1: bank robbery. So let's assume Don Junior tomorrow robs the bank,

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Speaker 1: and he's called on videotape and he leaves his fingerprints

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Speaker 1: on a scene, and he's identified by the bank teller,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Barr takes a look at it and says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think the evidence is deficient in

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Speaker 1: some way. I'm not going to prosecute Donald Trump Junior.

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Speaker 1: Now we all know that that would be because he

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump Senior's lawyer. So he's not going to

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Speaker 1: go after one of Donald Trump's family members. So, now

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Speaker 1: even Donald Trump gets voted out of office and Biden

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Speaker 1: is in and a law biding Attorney General is now presiding,

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Speaker 1: would it be vindictive? Would it be politically motivated? If

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Speaker 1: we said, wait a minute, wait a minute, just because

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Speaker 1: Don Junior got to pass for crimes he plainly committed

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Speaker 1: while his father was president, we don't think it's right

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Speaker 1: to hold him accountable for the bank robbery. Now that

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Speaker 1: it's January and the new administration is in power, most

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Speaker 1: people would say, bs, the dude needs to be held accountable, right,

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Speaker 1: And that wouldn't be vindictive, and it wouldn't be politically motivated.

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Speaker 1: It would just be the right thing to do by

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Speaker 1: the American people, by the bank, by the community, by everybody.

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Speaker 1: And it's no different here because some of these crimes

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Speaker 1: are sort of political in nature. Many of them aren't.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is just outright theft and bribery

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Speaker 1: and witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, you know. So

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Speaker 1: they need to be held accountable regardless, and it's not

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Speaker 1: about who's in power. They need to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, I agree. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: history is going to repeat itself in the worst way.

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Speaker 1: And I keep thinking to myself, what do we set

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Speaker 1: up with administrations to follow if nothing is done about

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, if nothing is done about William Barr

713
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: blatantly going after Australia in the same way that Trump

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Speaker 1: went after the Ukraine for to interfere, right to interfere

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Speaker 1: in the United States on their behalf. I just feel like,

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Speaker 1: if we don't do something, if this southern district of

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Speaker 1: New York doesn't do something right, then how do we

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Speaker 1: get back together as a country. How do we believe

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Speaker 1: in our agencies in our government again that we don't.

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Speaker 1: We don't, Yeah, we don't, and we can't because you

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Speaker 1: don't heal by declining to prosecute crime You don't heal

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Speaker 1: by declining to hold wrongdoers accountable, by declining to vindicate

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Speaker 1: the rights of the victim, or by declining to protect

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Speaker 1: the community. You don't heal. You basically make matters worse.

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Speaker 1: We didn't heal after Nixon. Instead, we gave birth to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. If we don't hold Donald Trump and Bill

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Speaker 1: Barr and the other criminals accountable, we won't heal. What

728
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Speaker 1: we will do is give birth to the next thing

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Speaker 1: that's ten times worse than Donald Trump. And I can't

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Speaker 1: even imagine. I can't times worse than Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 1: honestly cannot imagine what could possibly be worse than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And because I know that the country wouldn't survive, I

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Speaker 1: like just in the same way that I honestly believe

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Speaker 1: that if Donald Trump is not voted out in November,

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Speaker 1: if if he wins another four years, steals another four years,

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Speaker 1: America's done. The rule of law is done. And you

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Speaker 1: know you talked you mentioned earlier involuntary manslaughter. Just tell

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Speaker 1: the listeners what that actually means. Sure, that's it's as so.

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Speaker 1: For thirty years I was a prosecutor. Twenty two of

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Speaker 1: those years I was a homicide prosecutor, so I kind

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Speaker 1: of know my way around a homicide charge. And I

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Speaker 1: was also chief of Homicide at the DCUs Attorney's Office,

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Speaker 1: responsible for overseeing all murder prosecutions in the city. So's

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Speaker 1: if there's one thing I kind of know a little

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Speaker 1: bit about, it's homicide. What Donald Trump has done is basically,

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Speaker 1: at a minimum, the lowest level of criminal homicide in

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Speaker 1: our system. And it's called different things in different jurisdictions.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's called involuntary manslaughter. Sometimes it's called negligent homicide,

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Speaker 1: but the label doesn't matter. Here's what the lowest level

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Speaker 1: of criminal homicide involves. If you do something, you take

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Speaker 1: some act, and you do it in a grossly negligent manner,

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Speaker 1: you do it in a way that's really reckless, or

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Speaker 1: if you have a duty to take some action, like

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Speaker 1: being president of the United States and reasonably protecting the

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Speaker 1: American people. If you have a duty to act and

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Speaker 1: you fail to act, and that failure is reckless or

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Speaker 1: a product of gross negligence, that is element one of

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Speaker 1: the crime of involuntary manslaur The second element is if

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Speaker 1: you're grossly negligent act or failure to act is reasonably

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Speaker 1: likely to cause harm to another, either serious bottling harm

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Speaker 1: or death. That's the second element. And then the third

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Speaker 1: element is thereby, if you grossly act or fail to act,

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Speaker 1: it's reasonably calculated to hurt another, and you thereby cause

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Speaker 1: the death of another. That's the third element. You're guilty

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Speaker 1: of involuntary manslaur. Now, causing the death of another sounds like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that means you have to shoot somebody, or strangle somebody,

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Speaker 1: or stab somebody. But the law of causation, and this

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Speaker 1: is critically important when we're talking about Donald Trump's criminal

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00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: liability for these deaths that are going on every day.

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Speaker 1: The law of causation and says, if your conduct, your

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Speaker 1: action or failure to act, is a substantial factor in

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Speaker 1: bringing about the death of another, then you have caused

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Speaker 1: their death in the eyes of the law. So it's

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Speaker 1: not the bullet or the knife or the ligature, it

775
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: is that your act is a substantial factor in bringing

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Speaker 1: about death. And here's there was a report yesterday and

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Speaker 1: I think I retweeted it, and a news article where

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Speaker 1: somebody died of COVID and that person, I think he

779
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: was a bar owner in New York and he had

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Speaker 1: been saying, listen, I am going to make and I'm

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Speaker 1: paraphrasing here, I'm going to take my everyday behavioral decisions

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Speaker 1: based on what Donald Trump has said. He said it's

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Speaker 1: a hoax. He said, we have nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 1: He said it's going to clear up. He says, it's

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Speaker 1: all hype. So I'm not going to mask up. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna socially just I'm not gonna do any of

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Speaker 1: that because Donald Trump, and he literal was Donald Trump

788
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: isn't wearing a mask. So he went out, he mingled,

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00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: he contracted the virus, and he died. Donald Trump's conduct

790
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: was a substantial factor in bringing about that gentleman's death.

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Speaker 1: I will take an involuntary manslaughter case into court every

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Speaker 1: day of the week for the rest of my life

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00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: if given the opportunity and juries, I believe will hold

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00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump accountable. Wow, okay, you know it sounds to

795
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: me if we were to actually follow the law, then

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00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is libel for the depths of many Americans

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00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: right that decided that they are going because when have

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Speaker 1: they lived in a time when they couldn't take the

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Speaker 1: word of the President of the United States Exactly as

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00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: as emboldened by Fox News. Listen, Americans, and everybody's like, Oh,

801
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: these darn magas. I don't call the names and I

802
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: don't get down on them. Do I disagree with their

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00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: ideology to the they have it in their conduct, Yes,

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00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. These folks are are entitled to

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00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: believe what the President says, and they're entitled to believe

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00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: what Fox News says. Even if both of those people

807
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: and outlets are lying to them, they're still sitting there

808
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: listening to it, and they should be entitled to make

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00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: their behavioral decisions based on what they're hearing from the

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00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: President and Fox News. Of course, it's killing them and

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Speaker 1: they don't realize it or they don't care, but it's

812
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: killing them. But the fact that they're entitled to take

813
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: that advice from the president, you know, makes the President

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Speaker 1: responsible for their deaths. Wow. You know. One of the

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Speaker 1: questions that I have to is around these quote unquote protesters,

816
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: right and the fact that they're not being arrested, the

817
00:54:53,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: fact that they are just openly harassing police, openly in

818
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Speaker 1: many ways, gathering in all of these white supremacists chat rooms,

819
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: calling for a second civil war. What is going to

820
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: be done about these people and the fact that like this,

821
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: this kind of hatred is rising and it has its

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Speaker 1: deep roots in this administration, and they're willingly, knowingly harming

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Speaker 1: other people by going out into public. What if anything

824
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: is going to happen, And what if any recourse do

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Speaker 1: these governors have in the states where they are having

826
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Speaker 1: these protests, What action legal action can they take? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so here is here's where as as a career prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: I've seen both sides of this coin. Now, if you'll

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Speaker 1: think back to Donald Trump's inauguration, there were lots and

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Speaker 1: lots of protests in Washington, DC, some of which erupted

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Speaker 1: in violence. There was you know, looting and burning of

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: vehicles and storefronts and whatnot. And my former office was

833
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 1: involved in the prosecution of lots and lots of those protesters.

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Speaker 1: I think we lost every single case, and I think

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Speaker 1: we ultimately ended up dismissing those cases that we decided

836
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: after losing so many cases weren't worth pursuing because of

837
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Speaker 1: the trend of acquittals. And here's what I'll say, we

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Speaker 1: and you know, regardless of how I feel about the

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00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: cause that is inspiring the protest, we have a right

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Speaker 1: to protest in this country, and I not only recognize it,

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00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: I protect it because it was my job as a

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00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: prosecutor to protect people's rights to protest and honor their

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00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights. But if they crossed the line during

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: that protest into criminal conduct, then they need to be

845
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: held accountable for that. But as you know, that's a

846
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: delicate balance right there. So do I think that these

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Speaker 1: people who are out there protesting governors who are trying

848
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Speaker 1: to save their lives make any sense whatso all? Whatsoever? No,

849
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Speaker 1: it seems to me idiotic that you're protesting the fact

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Speaker 1: that somebody's trying to keep you in your family. Say, right,

851
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: but they have a right to protest. Now, they're really

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Speaker 1: unknown here, and what I think is entirely unprecedented is

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Speaker 1: their protests might be putting, might be putting people in

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Speaker 1: harm's way in ways other than setting a vehicle on

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Speaker 1: fire or looting a storefront. Right, those are obvious crimes,

856
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Speaker 1: but here they're not socially distancing. So maybe theoretically they're

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Speaker 1: Danielle becomes an extraordinary challenge for both law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: So I understand that it's just the idiocy of it.

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Speaker 1: It should be illegal in general. Glenn Kushner, thank you

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