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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: And we're back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and this

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Speaker 3: is our number two of the Drive here on.

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And as we do at this time of year, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna kick it off with a little fantasy football talk.

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Speaker 3: And Matt has his tight end rankings, yeah, for the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 2: And I just remind everybody.

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Speaker 3: These rankings, more so than I think any other rankings,

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Speaker 3: is all about opportunity at tight end and what you do.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like, for example, you have George Kittle at number seven

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Speaker 3: on your tight end rankings. We just talked about in

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Speaker 3: the previous hour. I think we both if we're looking

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Speaker 3: at who's the best all around tight end in the league,

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Speaker 3: we would both say George Kittle. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it was last week we both picked team

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Speaker 2: and he was one of our two tight ends drafted

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Speaker 2: for real football, you know, Like, I think he's a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I won that, by the way, on

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Speaker 2: the Twitter vote. I think you did. I think you

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Speaker 2: did slightly. It was close. Yeah, So overview of this position,

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Speaker 2: I think it's deeper than I can remember. There's about

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Speaker 2: ten or eleven names I'm very comfortable as my starting

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Speaker 2: tight end, and then there's like the Friar Moose and

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Speaker 2: some names will get.

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Speaker 3: To Johnny Smith going to Miami this year.

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Speaker 2: I have him so much higher than that the whole

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Speaker 2: world does. I bought him in every Dynasty League for nothing.

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Speaker 2: He's my total sleeper. But the other thing is usually

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Speaker 2: like Kelsey's no worse than he's been, right, But it

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Speaker 2: used to be you to use the eighth pick of

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Speaker 2: the draft on Kelsey to get them. Now you get

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Speaker 2: him the third round because they're falling. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure how aggressive I'll be with tight ends. I might

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Speaker 2: take two at the end, John New and friar Mouth

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Speaker 2: and see where the chips land, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you have Sam Laporte at number one. Again,

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Speaker 3: this is all about opportunity m and he's there to

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Speaker 3: facto number two receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course Kelsey's right behind him, and the

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Speaker 2: number one he's there number one. Yeah. I do think,

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Speaker 2: and we saw some of this last year. Kelsey's snap

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Speaker 2: counts are going to go down during the regular season,

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Speaker 2: but he's going to be out there on third downs

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Speaker 2: in red zone, you know that, just managing him a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. Yeah, it sounds stupid, but how much

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Speaker 2: working out is he doing on the Taylor swift Eras

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Speaker 2: tour right now? You know what I mean? He's some

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Speaker 2: other interest going on in the world that are none

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Speaker 2: of us could even comprehend. I can't think that makes

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Speaker 2: him a better football player. But he's going to get

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Speaker 2: the ball in the end zone. Would you have Laporta

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Speaker 2: over him? Is where I'm going with this. I think so. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's only one year vers ten or twelve years, but

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Speaker 2: I trust Laporta though. I think that was very real. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you have Kelsey at too.

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Speaker 3: Mark Andrews at three really does nothing wrong, super solid.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he is the most receptions by any raven? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Probably him in Flowers.

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Speaker 3: Injury stuff though with him is starting to get a little.

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Speaker 3: It's so and that's his position as a whole.

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Speaker 2: They get beat up.

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Speaker 3: They get beat up because they're asked. You know, you're

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Speaker 3: catching a lot of balls in traffic.

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Speaker 2: M you can block against guys. I mean, I mean so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I think he's pretty safe all in all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then you have at four Dalton Kincaid.

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Speaker 2: We talked about Bill's receivers. I don't think they're that encouraging. No.

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Speaker 2: I feel confident, maybe even more than Kelsey or Andrews,

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Speaker 2: that he leads his team in receptions. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a passing offense. They can talk about

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Speaker 3: running the ball they want. They really don't have a

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Speaker 3: true bell cow back.

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Speaker 2: Right, And when they made the coordinator change, Kincaid really spiked. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's he could be one next year. Five is Tray McBride.

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Speaker 3: His numbers take a little bit of a step backwards

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Speaker 3: of the show, yet more receiver help than they had

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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. His numbers whenever he was really the only option

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Speaker 2: when injuries really hit them were phenomenal, but they were

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Speaker 2: just good, not great, whenever he had other guys out

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Speaker 2: there that were legit players. And again, this is all

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Speaker 2: about opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Trey McBride, if we were ranking

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Speaker 3: tight ends in terms of overall talent, I don't know

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Speaker 2: But the opportunities are the opportunity's great. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 2: he was the first tight end taken in his draft class,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't until second. I don't know that he's special.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's special, you know, but I thought

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Speaker 2: he passed the eyeball test last year. We saw him live.

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Speaker 2: He's a good player, and he's not a good player. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no one I've listed you'd have ahead of

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Speaker 3: or behind him, though.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Six is Kyle Pitts. You just can't quit him.

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Speaker 2: Can't quit him. I mean, just watch as much Atlanta

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Speaker 2: offensive tape as I saw. He didn't run as well

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Speaker 2: as he used to. I think he was out there

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Speaker 2: injured a lot. They didn't have a true take the

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Speaker 2: top off receiver, so he was forced to do that.

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Speaker 2: And worse, when he was opened, nobody got the ball.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't gi him the ball at all. So I

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Speaker 2: mean he's running vertical routes twenty yards down field and

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Speaker 2: they just miss him. Yeah, yeah, I think that has

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Speaker 2: to improve. Seven is George Kittle, and that's all about volume.

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Speaker 2: He just there'll be three weeks. He's amazing for Fantasy

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Speaker 2: three touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: You know, That's why I couldn't. I can't draft George

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Speaker 3: Kittle is my fantasy tight end.

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Speaker 2: I mean I could if those guys are all gone, and.

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Speaker 3: I might still some of the guys behind him, but because.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna have four bad games.

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't know. Like, so the guys you have

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Speaker 3: behind him are Ingram and Djoku, Jake Ferguson, Dallas Goddard, Bowers,

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Speaker 2: So two of those guys in particular, Ingram and Ferguson

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Speaker 2: aren't as good as football as Kittle, of course, not

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Speaker 2: even close. But they get targets every week like Fergusons

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Speaker 3: Where Kittle has two catchers for twenty yards.

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Speaker 2: Like I think Ingram had more targets than any tight

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Speaker 2: end the league least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what And so it's all about the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I don't think on any planet is Ingram a better

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Speaker 2: Of course not Ferguson's. I'm closed, all right, But they

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Speaker 2: get the ball the ball.

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Speaker 3: Getting the ball is what we're looking for here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kittle's a tough one for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where you like, I will let

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Speaker 3: somebody else pick him, and they'll probably end up picking

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I think he'll go before I where I

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Speaker 2: because you're looking for the name value. Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: I think it's that way with a lot of the

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Speaker 3: the forty nine ers receiver. They all kind of cancel

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Speaker 3: each other out. Yeah, you're gonna have good weeks. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know any of their pass catchers will be

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Speaker 2: I's awesome, Kittle's awesome, but it's there's gonna be weeks

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just gonna get nothing out of them, me

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure even the Djoku will hurt you many weeks.

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Speaker 2: Ingram won't hurt you many weeks. You know, Ferguson won't

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Speaker 2: hurt you that much. I don't think Friarmouth will either. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's coming off a rough year. So you got brock

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Speaker 2: Bowers at twelve. He was another Yeah, another tough one.

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Speaker 2: And there are other pass catchers, but he probably won't

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Speaker 2: end up on my team, but I could. I can

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Speaker 2: write the story where it's week four and he's like

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Speaker 2: the second tight ended fantasy, you know, but I don't

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Speaker 3: I think they took him more as a long term like.

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Speaker 3: I think they were looking down the road with him,

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Speaker 3: like Devonte Adams is thirty two, who's our number one

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Speaker 3: pass catcher in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 2: I honestly believe that if you would have asked that

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Speaker 2: front office the morning of the draft, what's the chance

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Speaker 2: the genevan brock Bauers, they'd be like, yeah, And I

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Speaker 2: think they a lot of intentions of I don't think

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Speaker 2: he came in for a visit. Yeah, they're just like

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Speaker 2: the linemen we liked are gone. Maybe they're taking Latham

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Speaker 2: we'll take them, you know, maybe try to trade out.

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Speaker 2: Not that it's a bad pic, it's just a weird

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Speaker 3: These next three guys I could live with as my

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Speaker 3: number one if I if I loaded up at other

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Speaker 3: plates first spots, that's for our move at thirteen, Johnny

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Speaker 3: Smith at fourteen, Luke musk Grave at fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Neural players I like yeah, Yeah, and Smith was really

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Speaker 2: good last year. He's always going to be in single

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Speaker 2: with Miami. They gave him a decent box.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Gsecki put up seven hundred yards last year,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and John dismiss me. I feel a lot more.

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Speaker 2: He's a better player. He's a better player to block

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Speaker 2: a little bit like I think John and Smiske like

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Speaker 2: his tight end twenty like it. I don't understand it

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Speaker 2: at all. I mean, he was very productive for a

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Speaker 2: plant of last year. I've always liked him. You have

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Speaker 2: Chig and on Conquo at sixteen. This is where I'm

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Speaker 2: not thrilled with Ye, that's definitely want them as starters.

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Speaker 3: Where it kind of starts to fall off a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Cool Commet at seventeen, he.

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Speaker 2: Won't be on my team. He's going higher than that.

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Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz at eighteen.

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Speaker 2: It is fine, It's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I would have him ahead

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Speaker 3: of Chig in committing Comet.

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Speaker 2: That could absolutely see that Chicken Commet, I bet won't

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Speaker 2: be on my team very often. Yeah, Musgrave is a

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Speaker 2: guy I love. He's gonna be above those guys. You

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Speaker 2: have Hunter Henry at nineteen. I think he could catch touchdowns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, considering the nature of their receiving corps, and

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Speaker 2: they brought him back and gave him a decent buck.

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Speaker 2: He's not exciting, but not at all.

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Speaker 3: No, but I think he's he's one of those three

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Speaker 3: for fifty guys that yeah, you hope he gets.

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Speaker 2: Into the end zone. If he does, you're you're okay.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't. If you start him and he scores, great,

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Speaker 3: Then you have Noah Fan at twenty been a lot

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Speaker 3: of buzz with him, just because there's always a lot

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Speaker 3: So the interesting thing is you only have twenty one guys.

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Speaker 2: Passes, then he's a fantasy starter. Then he's a fantasy starter.

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Speaker 3: I also think he'll catch more touchdown passes this year.

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Speaker 3: That's if you look at Russell Wilson's career, that's really

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Speaker 3: I don't think his I think if he plays all

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've done We've done mock drafts, and it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough one. It is like do I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 3: This is a drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt

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Speaker 3: we we haven't looked at any of the ESPN Top

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Speaker 3: ten lists of Jeremy Fowler put together. He pulled NFL executives, coaches, a.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of quotes in there, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we do this every year when we look

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Speaker 2: Oh, i't see which one came out today. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: he has edge rushers, Oh, okay, he did running backs.

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Speaker 3: So the group here of also receiving votes in the

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Speaker 3: Calon Thibodeau, Alex high Smith, Good, Bradley Chubb, Jadavian Clowney.

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Speaker 2: He had a good year, but I would not I'm

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Speaker 2: even in consideration Trevon Walker. He's disrupted. He had more

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, the guys who got honorable mention were Will Anderson.

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Speaker 2: sacks with the Texans. Hendrickson over Hunt. I think I'd

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00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320
Speaker 2: take Hendrickson over Hu Hunters a little bit of hit

436
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,439
Speaker 2: and miss too, like he'll disappear for stretches. Yeah, good player.

437
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm probably in the top ten, but I have him

438
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,640
Speaker 2: two or three spots lower.

439
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 3: Number six, highest ranking, three, lowest ranking, unranked.

440
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 2: Talking about a variance.

441
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, last year he was honorable mention Aiden Hutchinson.

442
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 2: He's better in the pros than I thought it'd be. Two.

443
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 2: He also has some advantageous situations, always in a dome

444
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 2: playing with Lee.

445
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 3: I don't know he's to me, whoever ranked him third?

446
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 2: That was the thing. I mean, come on, there's five

447
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 2: dudes that are in the top five. If you've ranked so,

448
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,159
Speaker 2: that means you didn't put one of the five in

449
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 2: the top five. And with all respect to Hutchinson, he

450
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 2: ain't one of those five.

451
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and shame on you if you did.

452
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 2: Right Like to me, there's five dudes, and frankly, if

453
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,159
Speaker 2: you put him in any order I would understand it

454
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 2: if what comes in one or five, I would understand.

455
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 3: I get to talk to Fowler about this at some point,

456
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 3: because well I would.

457
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone gets ten votes, Yeah I don't.

458
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if I get if I get one, that's

459
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 3: really ridiculous, I'm throwing it out. Yeah yeah, come on,

460
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 3: you got Aiden Hutchinson ranked ahead of Max Crosby.

461
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 2: Sandal has to do this, and now he does it

462
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 2: for the athletic. I think he does that as well.

463
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 2: I mean I don't to speak for him, but we

464
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 2: should ask Fouler about it, Like if someone puts high

465
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: Smith at one, like I'm gonna throw that cast out,

466
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 2: like you.

467
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 3: Got you got somebody with With Aiden Hutchinson at three,

468
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: you get somebody else aheadhim unranked.

469
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 2: Right right right? I mean, I come on, So what

470
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: kind of ballot do all these gms and scouts get?

471
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 2: I assume it's just ten spots? Give me?

472
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I assume. I gotta I gotta ask them.

473
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do that the next year.

474
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: At the because do you get some honorable mentions as well?

475
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: Like I can understand not having any of these guys

476
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: you mentioned maybe in your top ten, but anyone's in

477
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: the top five.

478
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: No, I mean five, the top five. They're stop having

479
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: Aiden Hutchinson. Well, even Daniel Hunter was ranked in the

480
00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: top five. Yeah, he get fifth place votes. Josh Heinz

481
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: Allen got fifth place votes. Trey Henderson got fifth place votes.

482
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: If they were all six, I'd be like, I get it. Yeah,

483
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: but not.

484
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: Five, right, I think are pretty special.

485
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are defensive player of the year type guys. Yeah, yeah,

486
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean this Next the other group.

487
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 3: Isn't at number five is Max Crosby. His highest ranking

488
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 3: is two.

489
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: I get it.

490
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: His lowest ranking seven.

491
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't get that he would be my five. I

492
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: mean I think there are five, and but I used

493
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: to think there were four, and Max is now in

494
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: the five. Yeah, I mean he plays more snaps than

495
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: the other five. I don't care what ESPN says about

496
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: their double rates and all that. I think he gets

497
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: doubled more name in the league. So now you go

498
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: get Wilkins.

499
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 3: So okay, So he said this is what Fowler wrote.

500
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: Outside of the top four, Crosby easily cleared the rest

501
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: of the field. More so than ever. He stole top

502
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: three votes from what Parsons in Bosa.

503
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: I get it. He's unbelievable.

504
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: He's a really good player. I can't put him ahead

505
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 3: of what Parsons or both we talked about it.

506
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: Didn't have a great, great year, but he was defense

507
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: Player of the Year. It depends how I liked how

508
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Fowler phrased that he stole votes from I can get that.

509
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: What in Parsons, I think there's five good I get

510
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 3: I think there's four and one. I think he's clearly

511
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: fifth among those guys.

512
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: He's my fifth too, But I think his job's harder

513
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: than all of them.

514
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: I understand that. Yeah, but I can't put him ahead

515
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: of Water or Parsons.

516
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be either. But if someone said I have

517
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: him at three and what at four, I'd.

518
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: Be like, I also don't understand somebody putting him at

519
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: seven right right to me, that's.

520
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: Even more egregious. Yeah, yeah, and then he's next four.

521
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: I would mix him up and throw him in a hat.

522
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: Listen to this one. So at four, his highest ranking

523
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 3: was two, his lowest ranking nine.

524
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: I know it is, but that's wrong.

525
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: Last year his ranking was number one.

526
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: That's nicky, nick Bosa.

527
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: Somebody had him.

528
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: At nine, nine, nine, A little bit of a down nine.

529
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: Did they say on may sacks he had?

530
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: They don't dip from eighteen and a half to ten

531
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: and a half last year. He's still at ten and

532
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: a half sacks.

533
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: Two years ago he won DEFENSI player the Yeah, I

534
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: mean if he was one, I would get it that

535
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: he would not be one for me this year. But

536
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 2: one year ago he was one.

537
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: Somebody had him at nine.

538
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: That's wrong.

539
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: Somebody else sai him at two, but somebody had him

540
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: at nine.

541
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: That's not eight better in the league. Come on, come on,

542
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: if you have Max Crosby ahead of them, Okay, I

543
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: understand Max had a better year. No one else did

544
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: at three.

545
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: Highest ranking number one, lowest ranking number seven.

546
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: Okay, any of these could be one. I get that.

547
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: Last year he was third, and that's Michael Parsons special player.

548
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Who's seven? Though, right, I understand one. I don't understand seven.

549
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: You should have your vote taken away if you put

550
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: him at seven.

551
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: Seven? Come yeah, I mean you get I want.

552
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: To see the six guys you put ahead of them, right.

553
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: And I'm sure they're the names we mentioned, of course,

554
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: but come on, man, yeah, seven, I mean he's might

555
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: be the best defense player on the planet. Seven.

556
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, at two highest ranking one. His lowest ranking was fifth.

557
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 3: Last year he was fourth TJ.

558
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: Watt. Okay, none of that surprises me. I mean a

559
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: fifth plays voter two, okay, a first places voter two. Okay. Yeah.

560
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: There's the other thing I'd like to know is how

561
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: many people he pulled on this?

562
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Like that's why I like what Sando does his quarterback

563
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: Heres would be like he had six number one votes,

564
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 2: three number two's, you know, and he has accumulated them

565
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: all not highest and lowest, but like what was his

566
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: average vote? Here's what he says about Watt.

567
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: One voter called what the Aaron Donald of pass rushers,

568
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: the player who should top every list. What didn't quite

569
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: match you feet, But he's back to where he belongs

570
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: in the conversation at the top. An injury riddled to

571
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: twenty two twenty two campaign dropped.

572
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Him the fourth on last year's list.

573
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: His game wrecking weight were on full display in twenty

574
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: twenty three, leading the league with nineteen sacks and finishing

575
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: second in the Defensive Player of.

576
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: The Year voting. I think he should have been one.

577
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: A high ranking NFL official said this. He can't be

578
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: labeled as a high motor guy. He's just exceptionally hard

579
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: to block, probably the hardest in the league. He has technique, power, counters, violence,

580
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: bend everything you want.

581
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't understand the high motor comment unless he's

582
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: just saying, don't just call him a high motor guy,

583
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: frankly because of the color of skin, Like it makes

584
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: me crazy. Everyone says the first thing about Max Crosby,

585
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: high motor guy. Yeah, he's like one of the best

586
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: athletes on the planet. But anyway, and I think they're

587
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: meaning that as a complimentary.

588
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: So what is earned All Pro? Four All Pro First

589
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: Team nods over the last five seasons. His ninety six

590
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: and a half sacks through his first seven season seasons

591
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: are third all time behind Reggie White who had one

592
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: hundred and ten and big brother right and DeMarcus Waer

593
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: who had nine and a half. He's going to go

594
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: a hundred sacks this year, probably early in September in

595
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: his like we're seeing just.

596
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: All time great. Yeah, yeah, this guy we've.

597
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: Said, we talked about, Like, I don't understand. I don't

598
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: understand the Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's a great football player.

599
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't understand how he beat what for Defensive Player

600
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: of the Year last year, If you look at the numbers,

601
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: what had more solo tackles? I think it had combined tackles.

602
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: So I think there's two different conversations. Who's the better player?

603
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: Who deserves the award? Who's the better player? Wants a

604
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: more difficult conversation for.

605
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: Them, and they do different things.

606
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: They do different things. Who deserved the award is a

607
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: guy who plays in this town. I one hundred percent

608
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: agree with that, and I very.

609
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: Much said this week about him. No, he said he's

610
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: the only pass rusher that I have to worry about

611
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: where he's at because as a when I'm throwing the

612
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: football because he's picked Burrow off twice, it's a line

613
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, just yeah, jumping up and grabbing the football.

614
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things of Watt to me. Well,

615
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: first off, back to the conversation about the award, I

616
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: think Garrett and this isn't because we're on Steeler Nation Radio.

617
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I think if Watt hadn't won one yet, he would

618
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: have won it, and the fact that Garrett didn't was

619
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: enough for him to win it, you know, like it's

620
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: his turn. That's stupid to me, But I mean, Garrett's

621
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: gonna have plenty of opportunity. Who cares. If you're the

622
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: better recipient of the award, you should get it. And

623
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: one thing that Watt has a little bit more over

624
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: the other four sid stud studs better in coverage, and

625
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: the way he gets the ball out is better than

626
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: anyone have ever seen. I mean, the way he punches

627
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: football's out and his timing on things like Burrow's talking

628
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: about jumping up with the line of scrimmage and catching

629
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: the ball or batting it down like his brother like

630
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: he does those things probably better than the other four.

631
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: We could talk about who's the better power rusher, who's

632
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: the better guy off the edge, and the other thing

633
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: that's different with him with the other four too. And

634
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: this isn't a knock, but it's different. He's always on

635
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks right side. The other ones that move around

636
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: a lot, and they find we links and they they

637
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: do more for them. I don't know if that's because

638
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: TJ wants it or if that's the defense. I know

639
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: he's more comfortable on the guy on the other side. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

640
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, but they don't move him where the other

641
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: four move. Here's the thing.

642
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: Last seven weeks of the twenty twenty three season, Miles

643
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: Garrett had twelve tackles in one sack.

644
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he fell off.

645
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: It was almost two months.

646
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, fell off a cliff.

647
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Seven games twelve he had twelve tackles in one sack

648
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: that same span, Watt had thirty two tackles and seven

649
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: and a half sacks.

650
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 3: One of them won the Defensive Player of the Year,

652
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: where the other one didn't.

653
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Yep, one of them.

654
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Speaker 3: Led the league in sacks, the other one finished like eighth.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't.

656
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Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't get His thirty two

657
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: tackles in that last seven games were almost as many

658
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Speaker 3: as Garrett had all season long.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean all five of those guys well

660
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: both It wasn't in the conversation, but all five of

661
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: those guys are awesome. And we could fight about who's

662
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: better at what and all that. I don't think it's

663
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: even close. Who had the better twenty twenty three resume

664
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Speaker 2: for defensive player in the year at any position? Linebackers,

665
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: and we talk.

666
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: About somebody had Michaeh. Parsons first and somebody else had

667
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Speaker 3: him seventh on their list.

668
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Here, what was Watt's lowest. I think it was only fifth. Fifth.

669
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: What's Garrett's lowest.

670
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 3: Garrett's lowest was third, He was not He's number one.

671
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: His lowest rankings three oka. To me, anyone outside the

672
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Speaker 2: top five is bunkers. For any of those fives, you

673
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: should lose your vote, right right. One of them, he said,

674
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: was nine. I think it was. Was it Bosa? I

675
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: think it was Bosa? Like you're at you act like

676
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: he had a bad year. They did have a bad year.

677
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Speaker 2: He just didn't win the Defensive Player of the Year, right,

678
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: he'd have a bad year.

679
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: You should lose your vote when you do things like that.

680
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it makes you wonder did they not

681
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: watch them? Did they not take the vote seriously? And

682
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: I wonder about that too. And I'm not knocking Fowler

683
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: or Sando or any of those dudes. But if I'm

684
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Speaker 2: a GM and I get this ballot and I'm gonna

685
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: do my writer friend a favor, am I gonna spend

686
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: a ton of time on it? You know what I mean?

687
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I got to think I

688
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: gotta sign guys and draft players, and I got a

689
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: press conference in five minutes, you know. But any of

690
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: those five not being in the top five.

691
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, so it's nuts, he says. Here, Garrett

692
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: is now in tier one by himself. He earned seventy

693
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Speaker 3: percent of the first place votes. Seventy percent of the

694
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Speaker 3: first place votes went to a guy who had fourteen

695
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Speaker 3: flip and sacks last year and forty two tackles.

696
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is not a tier by himself.

697
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: No, there's other guys. Are are selling those other three short?

698
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: Really you are? You really are? And I just I mean,

699
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: Bosa was one last year. I think.

700
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Speaker 3: I think last year people decided in training camp or

701
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Speaker 3: at some point this is the year from Miles Garrett

702
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Speaker 3: to win the Defensive Player of the Year award.

703
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Speaker 2: I'll be very honest, and they did. They wouldn't flip

704
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Speaker 2: off of it. This time last year, I put a

705
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: couple bucks on Miles Garrett to win the Defense Player

706
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Speaker 2: of the Year award because I know how the votes go. Yeah,

707
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Speaker 2: I mean, and he wasn't even Leader Clubhouse at this

708
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: time last year. We just did like the the Future

709
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Awards and stuff. The TJ was Ahadh them. There are

710
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: a couple guys I haven't Bosos definitely ahead of them

711
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: coming off to the award, Aaron Donald was ahead of them.

712
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's gonna get all ties. Yeah, you know,

713
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: because it's his turn. And I was right and I

714
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: made a couple bucks. You know, it doesn't mean I

715
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: love the guy, you know. I think he's phenomenal. I

716
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: think he's a great player. Yeah, but he should not win.

717
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: The other year had a better year. And any metric

718
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: you look at and he stat you look at.

719
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Speaker 3: Well except for past for US win rate, I don't

720
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Speaker 3: even know what which is ridiculous, Yeah, yeah, or double

721
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Speaker 3: team rates.

722
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Speaker 2: I mean what I say, the double team stuff doesn't the.

723
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Speaker 3: Double teams that we went over that last year. You're

724
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: gonna tell me and again, you and I watched every

725
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Steeler games, often twice or three times, and those those

726
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: same double team rates had Alex Highsmith being double team

727
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 3: more than TJ. Watt, which was watching league bonkers.

728
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Watching different games than me. Yeah, and the numbers they

729
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: cite are low. I mean, like.

730
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Speaker 3: Fourteen percent of the time. There's no way rights it

731
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: was fourteen percent double team rate on TJ.

732
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: Watt. Watch every Raiders, every.

733
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Speaker 3: Every and if that were the case, every defense or

734
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: every offensive coordinator of the Steelers played last year should have.

735
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Speaker 2: Been fired again. I mean this is true for all

736
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: of them. But watch every Raiders game with nothing else

737
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: on that line and tell me Max Crosby got doubled

738
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: less than twenty percent. Yeah right, I mean he would

739
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: have thirty sacks.

740
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: So same double team rates. Because I looked at this

741
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: earlier in the week. Had the rookie for the Rams

742
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: Kobe Jones?

743
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, is that it? No, but it's Kobe

744
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: Kobe something. Yeah, he was good, and we should know

745
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: they had him being doubled more than Aaron Donald. That's

746
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: there's no way. There's no way, no way.

747
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: And if and if that were the case, immediately after

748
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: that game, if I'm the head coach of that team,

749
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to my offensive coordinator said, what the hell

750
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: are we doing?

751
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what's our pass protection scheme? Here? I got

752
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: my O line coach and be like, so we.

753
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: Decided to we decided to double that guy.

754
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Instead of a Right. And Kobe's nice player, He's not

755
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: going to be in the conversation next year because Donald right,

756
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: like that whole defense is going to take a step back.

757
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question about that.

758
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous. So watch the game with your eyes, folks.

759
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: I know. I mean you sit there in the press

760
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: box and watch every snap and who cares.

761
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: What times I will just focus on what. At the

762
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: snap of the ball, I'll watch I watch the replay

763
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: of the play on TV. I'm watching what. I want

764
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: to see him run the gauntlet. Yeah, because he's he's

765
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: he's getting past the tight end that's out there chipping him,

766
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: getting around the offensive tackle, then and then the backs

767
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: picking him up.

768
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he going through three guys. I would love to

769
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Speaker 2: see the true numbers of every pass rush snap he

770
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: takes as well as the other four and how many

771
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: times one human being touches him as opposed to three. Yeah,

772
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: they might be close. I mean it's definitely two, way

773
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: more than three or one.

774
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: Don't give me this stuff about offensive lineman, you know,

775
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: doubling and all that stuff, because there's not a whole

776
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of difference. If I'm running the arc,

777
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: I've got three sets of hands on me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

778
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: that's not any different than than having you know, too.

779
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Many human beings touch what from whistle to whistle. I

780
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: bet on average it's one point nine, you know what

781
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be over two. Yeah, Like, I

782
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: don't know if there's more threes or ones. Yeah, I

783
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: know there's more twos than everything else by far, It's

784
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: not seventeen percent of the time. No, he I mean he.

785
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: Never gets a free run at the quarterback. He never,

786
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: very rarely gets a one on one against the right tackle. Yeah,

787
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: and if you do that, you're just asking for it.

788
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: Never on third and five plus, No, I mean never

789
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: in a true passing situation. Ye.

790
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: Never. Ever, I mean that's true for the other guys.

791
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: He just completely affects the game, right like the other

792
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: guys do like the other guys.

793
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: To suggest that it, to suggest that he gets a

794
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: fourteen percent double team rate is ludicrous, is insane. I

795
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: don't know how they justify it. Like the numbers are

796
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: too low for all.

797
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way Max Crosby gets touched less than

798
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: twenty percent by two people. Ever. Ever, that's crazy to me. Anyways.

799
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: That was Jeremy Donald. Yeah, I mean it's easier to

800
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: double Donald or Chris Jones. I'm gonna put the gardens

801
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: at whatever gap he's in. These two are gonna go

802
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: on him completely. Yeah, at least I don't never mind.

803
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: I ran about that we'll get to some of the.

804
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: Other rankings here is that Jeremy bros him out. I

805
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: just wanted to touch on that one because it came

806
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: out today and it's a really good list or a

807
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: lot of good pass rusher in the league.

808
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: But some of the I mean, again, my biggest beef

809
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: with that is I think we agree not that Garrett's

810
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: ahead of what the fact that any of those five

811
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: got to vote outside the five like which GM did that.

812
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: I also don't know that I get Garrett getting seventy

813
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: percent of the first place.

814
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: For no, and I don't agree that he's in a

815
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: tier by himself more. Do I know he's great, he's phenomenal,

816
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: and frankly, folks, I know everyone out there hates him.

817
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Go watch everyone in his snaps. He's unbelievable. He's phenomenal.

818
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: But he's not in a tear by himself. No, no,

819
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: absolutely not.

820
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Speaker 3: Let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

821
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly and.

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Speaker 3: This is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt

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Speaker 3: the thirty third team.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 3: Let's put together a ranking of the top ten NFL

838
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: head coaches of all time. Dan Pezuda has come up

839
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Speaker 3: with this list, and.

840
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: Dan does good work. He started at football Siders too.

841
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: This is a tough job. Really, it's a difficult job

842
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: helpes to have good players.

843
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but this is a quarterbacks and all

844
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.

845
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: And frankly, the you know, George hallis verse Andy Reid

846
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: is pretty tough too.

847
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: You know, at number ten he does have Andy Reid.

848
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of talk that he's like now

849
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: on the Mount Rushmore. I don't know that that's accurate,

850
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: but I mean top ten to me, easy Hall of

851
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: Famer as soon as he's up. And frankly, what I

852
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: think is most impressive about him is what he did

853
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. I mean, they got really far with

854
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: the Bobby Hoyings and Kevin Cobbs of the world, and

855
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: he gets a lot further with Sarr.

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00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. At nine is Paul Brown.

857
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: Where do you rank that guy? I mean he invented

858
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: practice scripts. Yeah, you know, like you know, they didn't.

859
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: The game was nothing like before and after it, I mean,

860
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: right right, And I mean he started a franchise. I

861
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: mean did a lot for the I'm not sure anyone

862
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: did more for the league than Paul Brown. Yeah, I mean,

863
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: it's in the history of league. But I would be

864
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: very biased towards the newer guys though too. You always are.

865
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: I always am, because I saw him in my lifetime,

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00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: you know, right, uh yeah. He just modernized everything.

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Speaker 3: Every time assistant coaches organized practices, scouting systems for college

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Speaker 3: plays and.

869
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Speaker 2: Have any of that stuff in place. Stuff we just

870
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: assume eventually.

871
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: Somebody else may have come up with those things, of course,

872
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: but he was the first.

873
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: One to do it, first one to do it. Yeah,

874
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I know he's not a coach, but

875
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: Al Davis did a lot of things that no one

876
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: had ever heard of before, you know, I mean it's

877
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: he was, but he was, he was. I mean he's

878
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: better known for an owner obviously.

879
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: Eight is Joe Gibbs. I'm glad to see Gibbs.

880
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean well because I mean the NFC was

881
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: really tough at that point. I mean that's the Giants

882
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: for the Giants or the Bears are coming into prominence,

883
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: the Niner, the Cowboys, and he wins Super Bowls with

884
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: three different quarterbacks, yeah, Schrader and Doug Williams, I mean,

885
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: not all fame type guys. YEA. Seven is Tom Landry

886
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: and what a side note that knows isn't that important?

887
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: But from what I understand, Joe Gibbs is like a

888
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame racing owner. Two. I mean like he's

889
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: like phenomenal with everything he's ever done. Who was actually?

890
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Seven is Tom Landry? I mean he invented the four

891
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: to three pretty good. Yeah, I mean he did some

892
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: goofy stuff, like the lineman would jump out of their

893
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: stands and come down and he rotated quarterbacks.

894
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: The first time you see that, you're like, oh, and

895
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: maybe you move.

896
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, you catch on pretty quick. Yeah.

897
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: But I mean he also invented the shotgun offense. Yeah,

898
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: invent the shotgun in the four to three.

899
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Yeah, six is Chuck Nole? You think

900
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: that's too high, too low? I got no problem with it. Well,

901
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: let's see who's ahead of him. I mean, we have

902
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea. But yeah, four and six years.

903
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, architect of probably the greatest gyants to go.

904
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: And I assume he had a lot to do with

905
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: drafting those players. He had a ton to do with

906
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: the helping them pretty strong. Yeah, I mean he has

907
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: to be a top ten.

908
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 3: Took a franchise that quite frankly, had done nothing that.

909
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: Maybe that's even the best of Combler.

910
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for fifty years, for fifty fifty years

911
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: of nothing, and turned him into a winner.

912
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean, much worse than the Pirates have been the

913
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: last twenty.

914
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 3: We may not be doing Steelers Nation Radio right now

915
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: if not for Chuck Nole.

916
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: A great agreed. Yeah, I mean, like there's no franchise

917
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: close right now to how bad they were when he

918
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: took over. Yeah, I mean some teams that aren't great,

919
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: but they're not the worst team in the league for

920
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: that game one.

921
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: You know, two playoffs. It was a two playoff game.

922
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: One playoff game and in the first forty years of

923
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: the existence.

924
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: And the franchise and just totally one adied it. Yeah, Yeah,

925
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: it's pretty awesome.

926
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: Five is George Hallis.

927
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he started Pop a Bear, he started the franchise.

928
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: Whats I get it? I don't little.

929
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: That's the longevity though. Yeah, you know, no one's going

930
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: to fire the owner of the team, right, I mean,

931
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say he's a bad coach or should have

932
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: been fired. But a lot of it is being there

933
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: so long. Yeah, and I mean we're splitting hair.

934
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, we're so Some of the stuff that he

935
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: talks about with him is kind of the same of

936
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that we talked about with Landry

937
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: and Paul Brown. On the field, Hallis helped Hi vent

938
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: the T formation offense.

939
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just big for the day, but we don't

940
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: see it today.

941
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: Off the field, his legacy includes being the first to

942
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: hold daily practices well okay, yeah, watching film, the study

943
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: opponents and putting assistant coaches up in.

944
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: The press box. We're a better view.

945
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: These aren't exactly mind blowing, they're not.

946
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: But I mean this is the forties and the fifties.

947
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's some losing involved there as well.

948
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean they weren't forty great years. Yeah.

949
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: It sounds like we're killing George Hallis.

950
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, not at all. He's a great coach

951
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 3: and deserves being the Hall of Fame and all that stuff.

952
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, I mean changed the game as well.

953
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: Four is Don Shula.

954
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean the fact that he was so great

955
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: before Marino and even with the Colt years with Unitas

956
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: carries a lot of weight from me. I think we

957
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: had a dynasty conversation and there's two or three people

958
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: on Twitter that said, Matt, you were a little hard

959
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: on the early seventies Dolphins, and I was, I didn't

960
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: give them enough credit for how strong they were with

961
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: up superstars. That wasn't Hall of famers everywhere in those teams.

962
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: So in his thirty three years as head coach, Shula

963
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: had two losing seasons. Wow, I didn't know that. I

964
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: mean that's pretty remarkable. Six super Bowl appearances and two wins. Yeah,

965
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: getting super Bowls hard. It really losing seasons three by comparison, Now,

966
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: this is this is I'm going into my thirty second

967
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: year of covering the Steelers. Okay, so it's about to

968
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 3: say about the same. They've had three losing seasons. Wow,

969
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: four super Bowl appearances and three wins.

970
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: Okay are two wins? I'm sorry two combined the coaches,

971
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of similar. It's about the same. Yeah, pretty good,

972
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: It's really really good. Yeah. I don't have a problem

973
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: with him being ahead of all.

974
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: Shula helped bring the three four defense into the NFL

975
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: from the college ranks.

976
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Didn't realize that. Yeah. He also coached Johnny Unitas and

977
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: Dan Marino. Yeah, and Greasey's in the Hall of Fame.

978
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Greasey goes without Shula, Yeah,

979
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: Shula goes without Greasy?

980
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Three is Bill Walsh so innovative?

981
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: I get it, But he only coached one hundred and

982
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: sixty six games, and I can't I don't know if

983
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: I can put him ahead of some of the other guys.

984
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: I mean, Pallas and Shula and guys that have so

985
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: many wins. He's probably pretty low on the win list. Yeah,

986
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: high on the win percentage.

987
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: Won one hundred and two games out of one hundred.

988
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: And sixty six. You come up with the West Coast offense,

989
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna be high in the list. I didn't realize

990
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: he was that low on the win list, though, Yeah,

991
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: because I would immediately thought, yeah, he's top three or

992
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: four easily, But it's body of works, not as big

993
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: as Shoela. Yeah, yeah, Okay. Number two is.

994
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: Vince Lombardi again, ten years he coached.

995
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, he didn't last super Bowl.

996
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: He won five NFL championships, including the first two Super Bowls.

997
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: His name's on the Super Bowl Trophy, But I don't

998
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: know that he's the second best coach of all time.

999
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: I means he had a Paul Brown. I think you

1000
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: can make the fight either way, and his team's there's

1001
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: a misconception because if the super Bowl would have started

1002
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: five years earlier, they would have had more super Bowl right,

1003
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? But was their era better

1004
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: or worse than the sixty er seasons? Right? I don't know.

1005
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer.

1006
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that when you talk about

1007
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: the dynasties.

1008
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was his best eight years, better than Nole's

1009
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: best age.

1010
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: He just happened to walk into a very good situation

1011
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: where he had the you know, the great players.

1012
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he is Hall of famers everywhere. Yeah, but

1013
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: they probably owe it more to him than he owes

1014
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: it to them.

1015
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: And then he get and then he gets out while

1016
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: we're starting to lose some of the guys I'm gonna

1017
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: get out. And what happened in Washington wasn't great. And

1018
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: then he got sick, and then he got sick and

1019
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: passed away short. Yeah, I'm not saying that he's not

1020
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: a great coach. I just don't know that he's number

1021
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: two all time.

1022
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I might have Walsh ahead of him, but he

1023
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: does not the body of work.

1024
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been some party versus a subjective. Yeah,

1025
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 3: remind everybody this is somebody else.

1026
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course. I mean I could

1027
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: make a case Andy Reid's ahead of him. I'm not

1028
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: saying he should be, but I could make a case he's.

1029
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: Been pretty damn innovated to it too, and he's lasted

1030
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 3: a long time.

1031
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then one is Bill Belichick. I agree, But GM.

1032
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: Bill wasn't doing coach Bill at the end there for

1033
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: about ten years, and he may have got a little

1034
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 2: too big for his bridges. But two dynasties all in one, basically. Yeah,

1035
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, nine super Bowls, nine super Bowls, and that's

1036
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: not even counting him as a coordinator, I assume. No,

1037
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: I mean there's a phenomenal defensive coordinator too with the Giants. Yeah.

1038
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: And one thing that's forgotten about Belichick, and I don't

1039
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: remember it well enough, but he was starting to turn

1040
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: the Browns around, and of course they weren't patient with him,

1041
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, like.

1042
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they moved a team and then that yeah, yeah.

1043
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blew up. They did kind of blow up.

1044
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: But he wasn't a horrible head coach with the Browns.

1045
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: Everyone assumes, like good when he got Brady that yeah,

1046
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean he was good with the Lorne Taylor too.

1047
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: You know, he would be my one. Yeah, yeah, I

1048
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: mean I know he's not beloved around here, but he

1049
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: would be my one. Yeah.

1050
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: I think you have to you have to tip the

1051
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: catter that capter that.

1052
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Twenty years in New England or so,

1053
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: it really was.

1054
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, matths he may have been a rule or two

1055
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: two By the way, who might have done that? I

1056
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: can't say.

1057
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: Something George Allis didn't either, or you know who knows.

1058
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, but to make that list, you know, to

1059
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: be on that list.

1060
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: It's that's an awesome the guys that just missed her unbelievable. Yeah,

1061
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: I mean there's a long list, including Tomlin of the

1062
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 2: next ten or twenty that would be unbelievably strong.

1063
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, that's gonna do for the show today. Fun, yeah, absolutely,

1064
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: go one more this week, right, yeah, we got one

1065
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: more this week. But for my partner Matt Williamson, for

1066
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: Justin Miller here on site keeping us on the air

1067
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: as he always does, I'm Dale Lollie. We thank you

1068
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Speaker 3: for listening to this edition of The Drive on Steelers

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