Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguar's football bottle but every day.
Speaker 1: This is very low rent for a town that prides
Speaker 1: itself on having such an NFL tradition. It is Thursday,
Speaker 1: January second, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now a
Speaker 1: guy who's JAY stands for Judy j P. Shad Rick.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is in reference to
Speaker 1: your JAY stands for Judy. Your first name is Judy.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't either act. What is
Speaker 1: your first one? What do you about? Jerry Alabama Gay?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's not accurate either, but yeah, welcome in Jack.
Speaker 1: What is what is Jame P stand for? James Patrick?
Speaker 1: Do we have to one of those? Is right? We're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere until you well? Alright, So we've got
Speaker 1: plenty of other discuss James Ball, Jared Patrick. Jared Patrick
Speaker 1: like so you and the guy from Subway shared the
Speaker 1: comment no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no. You might want to back that
Speaker 1: train on up, buddy. This is Jaguars j Tony Boselli,
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. Here's what's coming up on the program called
Speaker 1: Well and Maron Quick Talking Called Well Maron return communication
Speaker 1: will be improved, they say, we'll hear from those guys
Speaker 1: coming up the off season schedule. We're there now, So
Speaker 1: what's coming up in the next month or two, including
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. The build up begins that Jack's have
Speaker 1: two first round picks here in nineteen. Let's start off
Speaker 1: with the press conference from earlier this week on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Dave called well general manager, trying to get those players
Speaker 1: to help out the coaching staff. We could help coaching
Speaker 1: staff by making better decisions and the guys we bring
Speaker 1: in for them, and and also really supporting our players
Speaker 1: that we have here. And I think we'll have the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, head coach Doug Maron trying to get everybody
Speaker 1: collaborative effort coming into one decision. I'd like to create
Speaker 1: this this environment. What what you're looking at is, as
Speaker 1: you're focused on myself, Dave and Shot because we report
Speaker 1: the book, what what we've talked about of doing is,
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that it's not just the individuals
Speaker 1: that are able to communicate directly with each other. We're
Speaker 1: talking about taking you know, our coaching staff, with our
Speaker 1: scouting staff, you know, with with and really putting it
Speaker 1: in a in a true, true partnership where we're meeting
Speaker 1: and talking and doing that and coming to decisions. I
Speaker 1: think that Dave would agree, and and I've been a
Speaker 1: part of it before, is that when we when we
Speaker 1: do that, you know, things become clear on exactly what
Speaker 1: the vision is that we want. So my responsibility as
Speaker 1: a head coach is to be Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: this is what our philosophy is, this is what we
Speaker 1: want to do, This is what we want to be
Speaker 1: as a football team. This is how we want to
Speaker 1: play offensively, defensively as special teams. Outline that give a
Speaker 1: clear picture of exactly what we believe we need. Okay,
Speaker 1: in communication with Dave and his department and really coming
Speaker 1: fold as one. So the press conference was fairly lengthy
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, after announcement from Jaguar's owners dot Com about
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. The announcement came down the press conference at
Speaker 1: three o'clock. And I will hear a little later today
Speaker 1: from some other thoughts from that press conference. Yes, Tony,
Speaker 1: So I was in El Paso for the press conference.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, and I've seen clips of it
Speaker 1: now and everything else. It's shocking to me, like shocking
Speaker 1: that they weren't already doing that. I mean, isn't that
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do? And how you build a
Speaker 1: team that as when you're picking players, you're picking players
Speaker 1: based on what the coaching staff has lined out, the
Speaker 1: type of players they want, they need, is the system
Speaker 1: we're going to run. This is what we want and
Speaker 1: everyone is working together towards the goal of winning a championship. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think when you listen to that and
Speaker 1: then you you read the reports that was I think
Speaker 1: not long after the Tom call from press conference where
Speaker 1: the reports between scouting and coaching was toxic I think
Speaker 1: was the word that was used. I think just listening
Speaker 1: to the press conference, I think it was very apparent
Speaker 1: that that wasn't going on before. But didn't that shock you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Very much? So, I mean I would like assume that's
Speaker 1: how like, that's how it happened. I cover a bunch
Speaker 1: of games throughout the year outside the Jaguars and talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of people and coaches and every everyone
Speaker 1: else from front office people, and that's just like how
Speaker 1: I was done. It's done. Give you an example because
Speaker 1: arguably one of the most respected personnel guys in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Is Ozzy Newsome right? That Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame executive sat down with him three weeks ago for
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes talking to him. Uh and I and
Speaker 1: one thing he said, and he said it before in
Speaker 1: the past, and it has always stuck with me, is
Speaker 1: that you all, you never draft somebody that the coach
Speaker 1: doesn't want to coach, he said, because it it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a disaster for failure immediately, because if the
Speaker 1: coach doesn't want the player to begin with, where is
Speaker 1: it going to go. So you want you want a
Speaker 1: player that the coach wants to coach, which means that
Speaker 1: you have to get some of his input on that
Speaker 1: player and also what type of player that guy needs
Speaker 1: to be. And uh so, yeah, I mean I was
Speaker 1: with you, Tony, and then I was very surprised that
Speaker 1: that that was I mean, they didn't say it didn't
Speaker 1: happen before, but I think by them talking about it now,
Speaker 1: it's very apparent that that wasn't going On another they
Speaker 1: did say it wasn't happening. Doug Groan said, this is
Speaker 1: what I want, which you I'm shocked. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: surprising that that wasn't happening before. I mean, most scouting
Speaker 1: staffs and coaches become essentially scouts with most teams in
Speaker 1: the off season for a period of time to where
Speaker 1: they have to write reports that they sit in on
Speaker 1: the meetings where where you're kind of stacking players positionally correct,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and that's how most organizations that we
Speaker 1: absolutely and at the bare minimum, the coaching staff meets
Speaker 1: with the personnel people, going over every position and saying, here,
Speaker 1: the metrics, here the what we want. This is what
Speaker 1: we're looking for. A corner that's about six foot, he's
Speaker 1: got this kind of lank, he's got this kind of speed,
Speaker 1: you know, etcetera, etcetera. Same thing with offensive line. Hey,
Speaker 1: we want to right guard that is a bulldoze or
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to pull much because our left guard
Speaker 1: is gonna pull more our right tackle. Here's what we need.
Speaker 1: I mean, So you're you're given kind of physical and
Speaker 1: athletic requirements to the scouting staff so that you can
Speaker 1: run your systems. How do you jump start that though
Speaker 1: it hasn't been happening. That's gonna be interesting because if
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened before, then you're you're essentially you're essentially
Speaker 1: breaking new ground going forward. Um, So it's gonna take
Speaker 1: a collaborative effort. It's gonna take a lot of effort
Speaker 1: on both sides. It's gonna take a lot of time
Speaker 1: because I mean, that's a relationship from all appearances, that
Speaker 1: wasn't there before. So now you have to build that
Speaker 1: because relationships just don't. They don't happen overnight and then
Speaker 1: don't you don't say all of a sudden, Okay, now
Speaker 1: that we both report to the owner and we have
Speaker 1: to work together, now we're just gonna do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a trust, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a system in place to where to where that that
Speaker 1: can be positive and thrive. And so that's a big
Speaker 1: challenge for this organization going forward. It certainly is, and
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting, interesting next few months for this Jaguars organization.
Speaker 1: Doug Maron said that the coaches are off until the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of January, a little time away, which the evaluation
Speaker 1: of that. He said, it's not done either. When the
Speaker 1: coaches get back, they'll be a little more evaluation of
Speaker 1: his staff. Well, I think most teams, I think the
Speaker 1: smart coaches or head coaches or organizations I think are
Speaker 1: smart and that you let your coaching staff kind of
Speaker 1: step away to detach a little bit of emotion from
Speaker 1: the season, away from it, and then and then come
Speaker 1: back and then apply yourself again and and give yourself
Speaker 1: maybe a I don't want to say an unemotional approach
Speaker 1: to the evaluation, but a little less emotion certainly can
Speaker 1: be good sometimes when you're value about trying to be
Speaker 1: trying to give an honest assessment of your players. And look,
Speaker 1: if something is fresh on your mind about a j P.
Speaker 1: If you're my MIC linebacker and the last game you
Speaker 1: screwed up something and I told you three times about
Speaker 1: during the course of the week of practice, I might
Speaker 1: give you a bad grade for the season just because
Speaker 1: I told you three times. I'm still mad, you know.
Speaker 1: So allowing the coaches to detach a little bit this
Speaker 1: case can be good. Well, no, it can go the
Speaker 1: other way too, just because like I always think, the
Speaker 1: danger of Week seventeen is is putting too much into
Speaker 1: it one way or another. Because when two teams are
Speaker 1: out of it, that's the game on Sunday was and
Speaker 1: you saw throughout the league crazy things happen. I always
Speaker 1: say week one, Week seventeen, or the two weeks that
Speaker 1: don't put too much stock into anything. Week one you
Speaker 1: get crazy games. It's the first time, first time you're
Speaker 1: game planning everything else. In the week seventeen, you have
Speaker 1: guys with different motivations out on the field because you
Speaker 1: know guys that you know, we're just out there just
Speaker 1: trying to protect themselves, not to get hurt. Guys who
Speaker 1: are you know, want to make a great last impression,
Speaker 1: and everything in between. And so if you put too
Speaker 1: much into that one game, the same thing as Jeff said,
Speaker 1: is on the negative side or the positive side, you
Speaker 1: can either undervalue or overvalue a where you are as
Speaker 1: an organization but also individual players. And I think so
Speaker 1: it's critical you gotta step back and you have to
Speaker 1: be able to take an honest I think the honest
Speaker 1: reflection and honest assessment where you are as an organization,
Speaker 1: where you are at certain positions on the roster and
Speaker 1: everything else. And I think the really good and the
Speaker 1: great organizations are masters at that that they are able
Speaker 1: to sit back and to make an unemotional evaluation of
Speaker 1: where they are from a from the top all the
Speaker 1: way to the bottom, every part of the roster and
Speaker 1: make decisions based on what it's going to take to
Speaker 1: become a great organization to win a championship, because that's
Speaker 1: all that matters at the end of the day. The
Speaker 1: only thing you should be striving for is to be
Speaker 1: on the stage at the beginning of first week of February,
Speaker 1: hold hold on the Lobarty Trophy. I mean, that's all
Speaker 1: that matters at the end of the day. And so
Speaker 1: the danger is a lot of times and I think
Speaker 1: it's happened here. I mean, is you overvalue you you
Speaker 1: You're you you you, And I think it happens all
Speaker 1: the time throughout the NFL that you're not honest with
Speaker 1: yourself of where you sit and what you need to
Speaker 1: do to take the next step towards a championship. You
Speaker 1: make a decision, you believe in that decision so much,
Speaker 1: and then it may not work like you had thought it,
Speaker 1: but you believe it to. Could it could be It
Speaker 1: could be a lot of different things that you believe
Speaker 1: in or overbelieve in. UH. It could be UH an
Speaker 1: overvalued assessment of coaches. It could be undervalued assessment of coaches.
Speaker 1: It could be an overvalued assessment of players. Or an
Speaker 1: under the value undervalued assessment of players. It can it
Speaker 1: can mean a lot of different things. Well, I think
Speaker 1: a great analogy in the business world all the time,
Speaker 1: I've heard this multiple times and been around it is
Speaker 1: never fall in love with the deal, because as soon
Speaker 1: as you fall in love with the deal, you stop
Speaker 1: looking at all the wards and all the problems and
Speaker 1: everything else, and you've conveyed the alternatives or the alternatives,
Speaker 1: and you convince yourself that you're so in love with
Speaker 1: this deal or this transaction or this product or anything else,
Speaker 1: that you are blinded to all the things that are
Speaker 1: you know, good, bad, ugly alternatives other ways, and you'll
Speaker 1: end up doing it or making a decision just because
Speaker 1: you've you've committed that this is what you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: and you fall in love with it. And that's the danger,
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's a real talent to be able
Speaker 1: to step back, be unemotional about it, and look at
Speaker 1: the situation and say I'm gonna I'm gonna evaluate this
Speaker 1: every day until the end. And it's hard. It's hard
Speaker 1: because I mean, you're you're invested human nature, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is, it's human nature. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's no different than like an official
Speaker 1: that you're hoping that is impartial. But human nature is
Speaker 1: human nature. You know, things influence you and and certainly
Speaker 1: I don't think anything influences you more when it when
Speaker 1: it affects you directly, or that you're trying to evaluate
Speaker 1: a decision that you made in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: will that be a as a coach or as as
Speaker 1: a player or as a personnel guy. I mean, sometimes
Speaker 1: you look, you've got skin in the game, and when
Speaker 1: you've got skin in the game, sometimes it's it is hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be honest, and it's hard to be
Speaker 1: subjective and impartial. We're back in a moment and we'll
Speaker 1: delve into some of the personnel, including Unique and Goe
Speaker 1: and what his future could hold with And I think
Speaker 1: that's the perfect thing to start off with when we
Speaker 1: come back, because much like we're talking about being impartial,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's he's there guy. You know,
Speaker 1: so here here, there's a motion attached to this, and
Speaker 1: so this is a perfect example of sometimes hey, look,
Speaker 1: you you might need to detach a little bit here
Speaker 1: in this situation to make the right decision and the
Speaker 1: right decision could mean a lot of different things. We're
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Speaker 1: by m c u A. I think you guys all
Speaker 1: known in this room how Opedeg and I feel about
Speaker 1: and through our conversations over years, and uh, he's a
Speaker 1: tremendous player. He's even a better person. How he handle
Speaker 1: his business this year was tremendous. But that I would say,
Speaker 1: that's priority number one to make sure that he comes
Speaker 1: back to Jacksonville and he's a Jacksonville Jaguars, So, um,
Speaker 1: hopefully we can get that done. Um, you know, that's
Speaker 1: where he's here for a long period time. Dave Coldwell,
Speaker 1: Jaguarro Jaguars general manager, in a Tuesday press conference in
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour rolls along J. P. Shadrick with Jeff
Speaker 1: Lagavan and Tony Boselli. Priority number one in this offseason.
Speaker 1: Yanniken gotkwa, you heard it from the general manager. That's um,
Speaker 1: that's the top of the list. That's the first thing
Speaker 1: that he said they want to get done somehow. How
Speaker 1: do they get it done? I don't. I think I
Speaker 1: would probably debate whether that would be number one. UM,
Speaker 1: for me, the the continuation or the search for a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback should always be priority number one. And I
Speaker 1: said just before that until you know you have one,
Speaker 1: you cannot rest, and that you need to continue to
Speaker 1: search and to try to find that guy, however that
Speaker 1: may be. And I think right now that you feel
Speaker 1: good about your quarterbacks, as Doug said in the press conference,
Speaker 1: and that you've got two guys. Were in the past
Speaker 1: you maybe felt like you didn't even have one. But
Speaker 1: I don't think you've sit there and are going, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got two franchise guys, you know. So for me,
Speaker 1: the search for for a franchise quarterback should be priority
Speaker 1: number one. So that said, how do you and what
Speaker 1: do you get done with unique? And guy? Wait, if
Speaker 1: you can get something done? He turned down nineteen million
Speaker 1: last year, uh, which I think with about fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed, forty eight million dollars guaranteed something like that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember exactly. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what the guarantee was. But Tony looking at
Speaker 1: Lawrence's contract with the Dallas Cowboys, he was like a
Speaker 1: five year, hundred five million, and I want to say
Speaker 1: that guarantee was in a fifty million range. So I
Speaker 1: mean so so I mean, for Godway, you're looking at
Speaker 1: in the future going forward. I mean turned down what
Speaker 1: nineteen a year, whatever the reporter guarantee was. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I would think that the deal is not going to
Speaker 1: be less than what DeMarcus Lawrence or what Frank Clark got.
Speaker 1: I mean that I think that's your starting point. And
Speaker 1: for for an organization that doesn't want to have anything
Speaker 1: reflect negative negatively upon them and want to give the impression, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we're trying to do everything we can to win and
Speaker 1: to get out of the seller of the NFC South,
Speaker 1: I think that creates a little bit of pressure to
Speaker 1: sign a guy like Yon Nike and Gockway. Uh And
Speaker 1: is that is that right or or wrong? I'm not
Speaker 1: It's not the position you want to be. First of all,
Speaker 1: you never should sign a guy for pr sikes or
Speaker 1: because you're afraid of looking bad or anything. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they're going but I mean, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just I mean what you just said, if that's true,
Speaker 1: and we're speculating because neither of us know, but I
Speaker 1: don't think you ever make a decision on any player
Speaker 1: because of what the fans want, or what the perception
Speaker 1: is or anything else. You only sign you like. For me,
Speaker 1: you signed you Uniken Gockway for whatever the number is
Speaker 1: gonna be, if it's twenty one million dollars, million dollars,
Speaker 1: only if you feel like he is a dominant player
Speaker 1: at his position that will help you win a championship.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason you signed him, no other reason.
Speaker 1: There's not another reason in the world. You sign Union Dockway.
Speaker 1: Now if you believe that, and that's what this organization
Speaker 1: if Doug because according to the what we've heard now
Speaker 1: is he doesn't have a much higher say and in
Speaker 1: personnel moving forward. So if Doug and Dave and then
Speaker 1: ultimately shot, if they determine that Uniken Gockway is a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna help them win a championship and he's
Speaker 1: a dominant player at the defense end of position, then
Speaker 1: you go pay him the number that it takes to
Speaker 1: get him signed. And if you don't, then you don't
Speaker 1: sign him. I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't
Speaker 1: care what we think. I don't care what the national
Speaker 1: media thinks. I don't care what the fans think. I
Speaker 1: don't care what any of those people think. If you're
Speaker 1: sitting in Dug and Dave's. You don't make the decision
Speaker 1: based on what we talk about. You can make a
Speaker 1: decision if we think it's the dumbest thing ever. Who
Speaker 1: cares You have a conviction that this is the guy
Speaker 1: that helps us become better it don't sign him. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: if you if you completely ignored money, you want you
Speaker 1: want him back, period. You take a levet of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, he does everything to write.
Speaker 1: And let let me say this. If there was any
Speaker 1: player on this Jaguar's roster that that if they shut
Speaker 1: it down somewhat in that last game against the Cults,
Speaker 1: that I might understand it a little bit. It would
Speaker 1: have been in gock Way and he did. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who, if he has a
Speaker 1: significant injury of some kind in this last game, could
Speaker 1: cost himself literally sixty million guaranteed dollars. Let me repeat that,
Speaker 1: if he had to sustain a significant injury, he could
Speaker 1: have cost himself a guarant teed sixty million dollars from
Speaker 1: one injury, because some teams would have wanted to have
Speaker 1: him come back on a one year proven deal if
Speaker 1: he blew an a c L or whatever. So you
Speaker 1: would think the guy might be a little cautious. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean a perfect example is on the fall on
Speaker 1: the Calls fumble that he chased Jacoby Brissette down, which
Speaker 1: we're gonna show on Jaguars all excess tonight. He's on
Speaker 1: the ground, he jumps up, he throws his body around
Speaker 1: to make the calls fumble and tackle on Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: and the ends up hitting another guy. But he's stolen
Speaker 1: himself around to make a big play. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that could lose sixty million dollars and he's stolen
Speaker 1: himself around. Give me that guy ten times over every time,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, I understand why he's a
Speaker 1: party because that's the type of player that you want
Speaker 1: to have. He's a he's a uh edgy type of guy.
Speaker 1: The coaches love how he prepares um. He's different and
Speaker 1: he makes big plays, and man, you want to find
Speaker 1: a way to keep him. But everything has got to
Speaker 1: be within reason and what's best for the organization. You
Speaker 1: don't just go here's the checkbook and you write what
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. Yeah, I mean, you just can't do that.
Speaker 1: The first day to designate franchise players is February. The
Speaker 1: deadline to designate those players is March ten. The new
Speaker 1: league year begins March. That's so that's something they have
Speaker 1: in the back pocket. Guys nate him on the first day.
Speaker 1: You can first day you got, I mean, and he'll
Speaker 1: be upset and I get why. Um, but you have
Speaker 1: to use it for a levite standpoint and the organization,
Speaker 1: because one you want to have more time to negotiate
Speaker 1: a long term deal. Business is business, and it's business
Speaker 1: just like it's for Yon business business. He has to
Speaker 1: make a business decisions with that is best for him
Speaker 1: and he's earned that right. He's played great football for
Speaker 1: four years. He took a gamble. He came back this year.
Speaker 1: He played. His tail off was hurt earlier the year.
Speaker 1: I think it affected some of his numbers from a
Speaker 1: stack production with that hamstring the first few weeks, and
Speaker 1: he played through it. He played through it. He complaint.
Speaker 1: He never made the contracting issue. He was not a
Speaker 1: locker room issue. He was, like Jeff said, he played
Speaker 1: his tail off at the end. Um, He's the type
Speaker 1: of guy one on my football team if I was
Speaker 1: the coach or in charge of building this team. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you have to use the tag if you
Speaker 1: can't come to a deal before then. And once you
Speaker 1: use the tag, now you have some leverage because you
Speaker 1: can either sign him to a long term deal you
Speaker 1: can force him to play for that number. It's the
Speaker 1: tag is probably gonna be seventeen eighteen million dollars over
Speaker 1: the cap. Dot Com hasn't projected his nineteen nineteen point three,
Speaker 1: So that's your baseline starting negotiations for paying he's getting
Speaker 1: at least nineteen point three million a year. That's the minimum.
Speaker 1: That's and uh, and they really take the second year
Speaker 1: into account, and that's your guaranteed money minimum. Ye in
Speaker 1: the second year, if they franchised him again, it would
Speaker 1: be another above that, I believe, so there'll still be
Speaker 1: twenty three. So your minimum guaranteed you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: pay unique is fifty million. Basically, then I'm that's starting.
Speaker 1: That's just that's like like like your first offer can't
Speaker 1: be below that has probably ten to fifteen percent higher
Speaker 1: than that because if you're on um, but you have
Speaker 1: to tag him because you have leverage to force him
Speaker 1: to play that number, you have leverage to give you
Speaker 1: more time to work out a long term deal. And finally,
Speaker 1: if you can't, you have the leverage to trade them
Speaker 1: and get a first round draft which he would have
Speaker 1: to sign, right he would have to sign the franchise
Speaker 1: tag to be traded. Yes, I believe so, but no,
Speaker 1: that would be out. So you have to use it.
Speaker 1: Um Again, I'm with Jeff. Do I want him on
Speaker 1: the team? Yes, but you you have to. I mean,
Speaker 1: this team has salary cap issues right now. It is
Speaker 1: over the cap going in the next year, meaning you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to cut, which I'm sure we'll talk about
Speaker 1: here in a little bit some starters. Guys. Who are
Speaker 1: starters that you counted on this year? Is your front
Speaker 1: line guys, You're going to have to cut or get
Speaker 1: them to restructure in a major way. And so you
Speaker 1: just can't just start going to write a check for
Speaker 1: twenty two in dollars a year to yawn until you
Speaker 1: figure that side out. And in that process you have
Speaker 1: to sit back and say, not just for this coming year,
Speaker 1: but for the next three to four years, are we
Speaker 1: willing to as an organization to put a cap number
Speaker 1: in the high in the mid twenties or the low
Speaker 1: twenties on our pass rusher. That's the question you have
Speaker 1: to ask, and you have to it's a big it's
Speaker 1: a it's a puzzle, it's a you have to look
Speaker 1: at the allocatian resources and that's going to allocate to
Speaker 1: that position. That's that's you know, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And you already have to the other defensive end. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the number is for Josh Allen's rookie deal,
Speaker 1: but it's probably about nine or ten years, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. That's a great question. Uh,
Speaker 1: rookie deal, I mean should not be anything that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Five years. JP's gonna stand four years. The four year numbers.
Speaker 1: What's five year? I mean it's a five year deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but right now you're only locked in for the fourth
Speaker 1: locked in four, but it's gonna be five. Your cab
Speaker 1: numbers on four an option here, and the way he's
Speaker 1: growing right now, you've already picked the option of if
Speaker 1: you could do it for Josh Allen, cap hit five
Speaker 1: point one, captain nine five point one. So I mean
Speaker 1: that means what's your cap hit next year? You got
Speaker 1: that six point two one, but it's five point one.
Speaker 1: So here's it's very simple. So you do you want
Speaker 1: to allocate or thirty million dollars at the defense and
Speaker 1: end position for your starters. And that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a question. It's it's a big picture. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not a crazy philosophy to build around guys like that,
Speaker 1: not at all. I'm not saying it is. But considering
Speaker 1: everything else that that's gone out from this football team
Speaker 1: and the salary cap over the last few years, you
Speaker 1: got to let me go back to when when people
Speaker 1: like the Rams Rams and in a pretty tough spot
Speaker 1: because they traded away a lot of their draft capital
Speaker 1: and five guys and a a hundred eight million dollars of
Speaker 1: the cap. Okay, So when you have that kind of
Speaker 1: top heavy salary cap, I guess you could say until
Speaker 1: so now you need to find a way to bring
Speaker 1: in your lower cost employees. I means you have to
Speaker 1: figure out the other forty eight guys for a hundred millions, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're you're lower cost employees come in in the
Speaker 1: form of rookies, okay. And then that rookies comes in
Speaker 1: typically in the draft, and if you're not getting them
Speaker 1: via draft picks and you're getting them as undrafted rookie
Speaker 1: free agents. So where are the Rams right now trying
Speaker 1: to be able to counteract that top heavy salary cap.
Speaker 1: They're in a tough position now, and to be perfect
Speaker 1: honest with your next couple of years, they're screwed. They're screwed.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do? According to less Need, he says,
Speaker 1: They're fine, You're gonna sign Ramps fired and somebody else
Speaker 1: is gonna have to clean the mess up. And then
Speaker 1: they're gonna get fired because they didn't clean it up
Speaker 1: quick enough. And then whoever comes in after that point,
Speaker 1: then we'll have a decent job in a new stadium
Speaker 1: next year and a really big new stadium. Yes, they
Speaker 1: gotta fill This is years down the road that all
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. I'm gonna take a couple years
Speaker 1: for the Rams to realize what are we doing? What?
Speaker 1: Why do we give up a two first round picks
Speaker 1: in the fourth round pick for a guy that didn't
Speaker 1: play in the last game because he said I had
Speaker 1: a knee injury, and then and then he ended up
Speaker 1: selling out his teammate. They're gonna go what are we doing?
Speaker 1: And then when they realized that they can't off set
Speaker 1: the explosive cost over an ag and running back and
Speaker 1: a quarterback who didn't justify the number that you gave him.
Speaker 1: They've got no way to counteract it, you know, and
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have the resources to be able to
Speaker 1: to do that. Let's come back, we'll talk the quarterback
Speaker 1: position and we'll touch on some of those guys that
Speaker 1: could be kept casualties for the Jars especially, I think
Speaker 1: is one. It's really interesting, and that's and in the
Speaker 1: summer summarize John. We all want him back, and the
Speaker 1: sense he's a great player. Yes he's he's the type
Speaker 1: of guy you want. It's the question is is what
Speaker 1: are you willing to pay? What makes sense? That's right
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Speaker 1: moving forward, um, I think there's a lot of self evaluation,
Speaker 1: like Coach Marron said, and and where we're at, and
Speaker 1: that will be a decision made by Coach Morrown and
Speaker 1: his staff and collaborative with Sean and decide on that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think any decision has been made today
Speaker 1: as to what that's gonna look like. But we feel
Speaker 1: good about Gardner and moving forward with him. Dave cold Will,
Speaker 1: Jaguars general manager, the press conference Tuesday discussing the quarterback
Speaker 1: position and Gardner Minshew the second Nick Foles on the roster.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is Jaguars happy R J P Shadrick,
Speaker 1: Jeff Flagum, and Tony Boselli. The aftermath of the press
Speaker 1: conference on Tuesday, cold Will and own or back kind
Speaker 1: of made the annassment about ten o'clock Tuesday, the press
Speaker 1: conference with those two at three o'clock that day. And
Speaker 1: now the coaches are gone for a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: or so. They'll be back in the thirteenth and then
Speaker 1: the off season can really commence from there. But the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, as you said, Logs, you feel this priority number, well,
Speaker 1: I think it should be. And look, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to to undervalue what Gardner Minshew has done. I think
Speaker 1: he's had. He was the best rookie quarterback in an
Speaker 1: incredible year and seriously should have been considered for NFL
Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. I mean really, I mean look,
Speaker 1: look look at his numbers. One games, he won games,
Speaker 1: he came back and won two games himself. I the
Speaker 1: winner is gonna be uh. I think the running back
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is going to get the probably, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I know that there's a couple other publications slash websites
Speaker 1: to come out with their picks and uh, Minshew hasn't
Speaker 1: won any of them yet, and Josh Allen hasn't won
Speaker 1: any of them because Bo has been getting obviously better team.
Speaker 1: I think it is going to get you there. And
Speaker 1: he was a higher pick and he's a really good player.
Speaker 1: I mean to try to pick between Josh Allen Nick Boss,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't go wrong either way. I think
Speaker 1: they're both great players. If you're looking at Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and Minshew, if you look at the numbers, I mean,
Speaker 1: Minshew has been better and uh so more wins, more touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discount what Gardner Minshew has been
Speaker 1: able to do this year. But I think if if
Speaker 1: you stand pat at the quarterback position and take the
Speaker 1: approach of the hey, look, we feel good about where
Speaker 1: we're at, and we feel good enough to the point
Speaker 1: where where we're not going to look at addressing the
Speaker 1: quarterback position via the draft or free ancy. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can do it during free anc anyway, But
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're not going to address it
Speaker 1: in in the draft, I think that's a mistake. I
Speaker 1: think you always have to be open to doing that,
Speaker 1: as I said before, and tell you know you have
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, you may feel good about Minshew,
Speaker 1: but do you know would you use the would you
Speaker 1: use the sixth over I guess we're at six more,
Speaker 1: ninth overall pick Tony. I said I would do it
Speaker 1: last year, right, I mean we we had this conversation
Speaker 1: last year in the draft, and I think we talked
Speaker 1: about I think it was Haskins and and and well,
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what Haskins is gonna become, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting conversation. I said last year
Speaker 1: that yes, I would consider drafting a quarterback, even though
Speaker 1: the Jaguars had spent the money in free agency on
Speaker 1: Nick Foles. So here's the balance of this too. It
Speaker 1: This was asked kind of in the press conference a
Speaker 1: little bit, they've got to win, called well on Maro Own,
Speaker 1: they've got to win next year. They've got to be
Speaker 1: a playoff team next year. Right, If you draft a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, ninth overall and expect him
Speaker 1: to go out and get you to the playoffs? Is
Speaker 1: that thinking too much of that? Guy? Yes? Was the
Speaker 1: balance of they're not sure of the organization versus next year? Well,
Speaker 1: that's I think that question depends who you're asking, darn right,
Speaker 1: it is well that question was actually posed during the
Speaker 1: press conference and called Wells felt that that was that
Speaker 1: was his job in ownership's job to balance that, to
Speaker 1: provide balance in that instance. And again, I mean that
Speaker 1: that's hard. It's hard to do that because going back
Speaker 1: to what we talked about before, there is skin in
Speaker 1: the game. And if you're giving a win now mandate,
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do? And so and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they were given a win now, man,
Speaker 1: we were. The expectation is they've got to show improvement
Speaker 1: whatever that is. So uh so, yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's a tough thing to accomplish. And uh and look,
Speaker 1: I don't know the draft as far as quarterbacks, so
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Now I know that there's one
Speaker 1: of them that is I've seen two points pretty good
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrows pretty good act I've seen three
Speaker 1: Joe brow to uh how came saying his last that's
Speaker 1: all I'm going with you. And then Herbert from Oregon
Speaker 1: I already looked really good in the ballgame. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch it well, stats were terrible. I was on a plane,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see it. Maybe I'm wrong, No, no,
Speaker 1: but all the report I read, the same reports that
Speaker 1: he looked like he's the real deal. Rookies at other
Speaker 1: positions can have more of an immediate impact, though, unless
Speaker 1: your name is Andrew Luck or I guess r G
Speaker 1: three had a big impact this first Historically it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. And well, Lamar Jackson. Here, here's a perfect example.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was taking thirty first in the NFL pick.
Speaker 1: They were an organization that looked like possibly making a
Speaker 1: change of the head coach. Seven seventh straight or sixth
Speaker 1: like that, got won the division and gotten to play.
Speaker 1: So rookie quarterback not common, but rookie quarterbacks can, I mean,
Speaker 1: special ones can make a difference. But here, here, here,
Speaker 1: let's look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, look out,
Speaker 1: how many of them have had that kind of an
Speaker 1: impact in the rookie season. Montana l A, Marina Marino
Speaker 1: pretty good? Uh, but yeah, I mean not many guys
Speaker 1: came in and had that impact. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty rare for that position. I'm with Jeff, I think
Speaker 1: you always draft a guy until you have the guy
Speaker 1: that you know he's the guy. And even then, even
Speaker 1: when you know you have the guy, you brand need
Speaker 1: the draft one every two or three years in the
Speaker 1: middle of the back end. Um, But did you see
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard's comments today on Jacoby Brissette, And I thought
Speaker 1: it was pretty good and that he was asked about
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brissett and he said, you know, we're just
Speaker 1: not comfortable. We still feel like we've got a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do at that position, said, we need
Speaker 1: to be better in the passing game. Jacoby has to
Speaker 1: be better, We have to be better as coaches. I
Speaker 1: have to be better to provide more weapons for Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 1: And I liked his answer and that he was very noncommittal.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, look, you know, I feel good
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brissette. He didn't say I feel bad about
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette, said look, we got work to do. And
Speaker 1: uh And I think when you I mean that that
Speaker 1: that I think is a really honest assessment of where
Speaker 1: they're at. And it's very fair and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's in any way demeaning from the general manager Ballard
Speaker 1: down to Brissette. I think it's that's just that's reality, right,
Speaker 1: and it's honest. And I thought that that was was
Speaker 1: a good way to go about the only reason I
Speaker 1: would not take a quarterback at nine this year from
Speaker 1: what I've seen of the work I've done, I think
Speaker 1: what will be there at nine, Like, I'm only taking
Speaker 1: the guy at nine if I'm convinced, if if I'm
Speaker 1: David doug And and shod and due through the evaluation,
Speaker 1: like this guy is the and so we're taking him.
Speaker 1: If he falls the nine, we're taking him. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I think this roster has way too many holes. I guess,
Speaker 1: way too many holes. And I think you need to.
Speaker 1: I think you need to if it was me the
Speaker 1: first three picks or first four picks. Let's say that
Speaker 1: your two first, your two, and your three and no order,
Speaker 1: because I haven't done any work on the draft either,
Speaker 1: but you need offensive line defense into your defensive line, middle, linebacker,
Speaker 1: tight end. Those are like major holes on this quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I would I would argue, I would argue defensive first,
Speaker 1: you gotta stop that run somehow. You have to have
Speaker 1: best player first. You have to fix the interior of
Speaker 1: that defense. Defense, tackle, middle, lineback. Um, the combination of
Speaker 1: I'm with Jeff, with Jeff as well, if a franchise
Speaker 1: left tackle sitting there at nine, you take him, take
Speaker 1: them more. More mistakes have been made in the draft
Speaker 1: trying to pick need than than best player. Yeah, you need.
Speaker 1: I mean no, I'm not just picking best player. I'm
Speaker 1: not picking I don't care if the best player in
Speaker 1: the world's at wide receiver, I'm not or running back.
Speaker 1: I'm not picking him ninth. I think as Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: and if he's here on the eight crow. But I
Speaker 1: said the same thing in seventeen when Jared whatsever his
Speaker 1: name is, j J J that's whatever, whatever, That's why
Speaker 1: we're not gonna pick him, or we might who knows, um,
Speaker 1: But that's why I wouldn't at nine right now, having
Speaker 1: done no college work, just watch college football this year,
Speaker 1: would not pick a quarterback right there. Um, As far
Speaker 1: as Gardner Mintshew, I thought it was funny, no decision
Speaker 1: has been made. But then at the last comment was
Speaker 1: we feel good about Gardner? Minshew never mentioned Nick Foles
Speaker 1: at all. Well, the question that, to be fair, was
Speaker 1: asked specific about Okay, but he delved into the quarterback
Speaker 1: position Um, that's fair then. Uh. The bottom line is this,
Speaker 1: The facts are the facts. Gardner Minshew was the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL workie quarterback in the NFL this year.
Speaker 1: If you would have been a first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: everybody in this country, in this city, in the NFL
Speaker 1: community would be saying, boy, the Jaguars found their guy,
Speaker 1: but Ricky in the back, coming in on a roster
Speaker 1: that's not very good, winning six games during twenty one touchdowns,
Speaker 1: nine interceptions over six completion percentage, everybody would be saying,
Speaker 1: based on no tight end on the roster, um, you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of some issues as far as protection at
Speaker 1: the offensive line, maybe saying he's the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what they would be saying, because they're saying in
Speaker 1: New York with Daniel Jones right now, they're excited about him.
Speaker 1: Arizona is a static ecstatic with Kyler Murley Murray. He
Speaker 1: was better than both of them. What doesn't though, when
Speaker 1: you're higher draft back, a first round quarterback, is the
Speaker 1: focus a little more on your mistakes like the mistakes
Speaker 1: that Gardner made if he was the first round because
Speaker 1: the expectations are higher, so the concentration is higher numbers.
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers and nine. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: the it could be a different um approach to criticism
Speaker 1: of him. I don't disagree. But as you look at
Speaker 1: it where you sit Kyler Murray won five games, Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones won three games, UH, Dwayne Haskins won two or
Speaker 1: three games, and you have UH with Gardner Mins who
Speaker 1: win six games. I don't think anyone will argue, at
Speaker 1: least at this table right now or across the league,
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars roster was better than those other teams.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But what I'm saying but is it
Speaker 1: was it remarkably better Jeff, based on what you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's worse, but I'm just saying, but
Speaker 1: it's in it. So you look at his touchdown to
Speaker 1: interception ratio better than all of them. You look at
Speaker 1: his completion percentage right in the same area, which is
Speaker 1: not good enough. It's not good enough, but it's right
Speaker 1: in the same areas these other rookies. And so that's
Speaker 1: where I think if you look at gardnerments, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's the guy. By the way. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm picking a quarterback at some point in this draft,
Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced he's not either. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: so it's it's unknown. All right, let's come back in
Speaker 1: a moment. We will discuss wild card weekend that's coming.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this because when I think when
Speaker 1: and what you don't want to get into is a
Speaker 1: situation where you've been in before, which is where like
Speaker 1: where you're at with borders and seventeen essentially extending him
Speaker 1: and then and then you don't end up miss you
Speaker 1: passing somebody because you think you have them. That's what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, so I mean you you didn't maybe
Speaker 1: take three guys in that year and then the next
Speaker 1: year that could have been guys. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You've got to be very cautious about about
Speaker 1: how committed you are, because you gotta know before you
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is um, regardless of what
Speaker 1: the past was is moving forward. I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: direct line the shot and kind of like I did
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Speaker 1: and we'll answer directly to Shot And I think um
Speaker 1: Uh Tom was great and a lot of aspects for
Speaker 1: me um both personally and professionally. But this structure here
Speaker 1: will be will allow us to um you know, communicate
Speaker 1: directly with the owner and then be able to put
Speaker 1: our plan forward to him with Doug in a collaborative effort.
Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell, Jaguars General Manager. On Tuesday, Jaguars Happy Hour
Speaker 1: continue shaping Shadwick, Jeff log Up and Tony Wasseli Daily's
Speaker 1: Place well. The spring schedule coming up in March Kane
Speaker 1: Brown the first of the spring Cole Swindel and April.
Speaker 1: Kane Brown comes again on May sixteen. The second show
Speaker 1: this spring, the Doobie Brothers with Michael McDonald, this time
Speaker 1: around June twelve, and then Junk Trucks Band with St.
Speaker 1: Paul and the Broken Bones. Tickets at Daily's Place dot
Speaker 1: com get him now. No shows between now and March.
Speaker 1: What the cool weather? Come and go and then get
Speaker 1: back to music. It's not cold right now, but at
Speaker 1: some point now is the time to go. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not even cool. It's eighty one degrees tomorrow. By the way,
Speaker 1: I know not not gonna last very long though, So
Speaker 1: do you have it wild Card weekend? Some teams playing
Speaker 1: postseason football this week. The Jaguars are not among them.
Speaker 1: Of course, they're eliminated. They're out. The wild Card weekend
Speaker 1: schedule the Bills in, the Texans Saturday afternoon, the Titans
Speaker 1: and the Patriots Saturday night. Sunday it's the NFC teams,
Speaker 1: Vikings and the Saints in New Orleans and the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and the Eagles and Philip Off. You're Tony. You have
Speaker 1: the Patriots game? Is that right? YEA been Gillette tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: and uh go watch the Titans and the Patriots play game.
Speaker 1: It'll be fun. Uh even matchup, I think, yeah. I
Speaker 1: think it's to be a close game. You know, usually
Speaker 1: you just say, as long as that the Patriots could
Speaker 1: stop Derrick Henry, they'll be fine. But you go look
Speaker 1: at the numbers and what Ryan Tannehill has done this
Speaker 1: year is remarkable. I mean, he has played really good football.
Speaker 1: They're like the red zone proficiency is off the charts. Over.
Speaker 1: I think it's like they touchdowns, they score, um, what's
Speaker 1: his completion percentage? Well, and they gave up what round
Speaker 1: pick for Tanny Hill in the trade with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: It was a late round pick, fourth rounder six, something
Speaker 1: like that. I mean a late round pick. Um. He's been,
Speaker 1: by far, by the way, the best quarterback acquisition of
Speaker 1: any team this season. Tannehill seventy passing this year to
Speaker 1: a one. Yeah, it's amazing. It's like one, see what
Speaker 1: what round they gave up? But yeah, it's good. And
Speaker 1: then you know the Patriots can't are struggling to score points,
Speaker 1: so Brady A lot of talk that this will be
Speaker 1: Brady's last if they don't, if they lose, will be
Speaker 1: Brady's last game in the Patriot uniform. You think it
Speaker 1: will be? Um, Yeah, I do. I think if I
Speaker 1: think that Belichick's ready to move on, that's the sense
Speaker 1: kind of you read between the lines. I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to anyone, but just as you read, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a free agent after this year, and I think
Speaker 1: I think belichicks here. I mean he has not I mean,
Speaker 1: Brady has not been great. Now. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons either around them. But let me make
Speaker 1: this point because it's it's interesting to me because when
Speaker 1: a player gets to be a certain age and and
Speaker 1: I'll put tom Brady in this in this bag and
Speaker 1: it also plays Campbell in the same boat. Okay, And
Speaker 1: then when they get to a certain point age wise,
Speaker 1: the first reason and to justify the performance is, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the age catching up with them, instead of maybe
Speaker 1: tom Brady's got an elbow, maybe Clariss has got a
Speaker 1: back or wrist or a knee. I mean, so I
Speaker 1: think sometimes people are quick to go it's the age.
Speaker 1: We've got to move on from this, instead of maybe
Speaker 1: having a little bit of patience with somebody and then
Speaker 1: keeping them for another year. But I mean, age sometimes
Speaker 1: is that first reaction. So I wouldn't be conn If
Speaker 1: I'm the Patriots, I'm not sitting there going age is
Speaker 1: caught up with tom Brady. We've got to move on
Speaker 1: from him. You don't want to move on to I mean,
Speaker 1: I would roll the dice another year and say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know I've got a guy who's who's the goat
Speaker 1: and maybe it was just a health issue this year,
Speaker 1: and try to roll with him once again. Just like
Speaker 1: if I were the Jaguars, I would want to roll
Speaker 1: with Claiss Campbell once again. I'd like to try to
Speaker 1: get the number a little bit more manageable because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to reduce his number of defensive snaps. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: forget about but I have to get the number more manageable.
Speaker 1: Because you can't afford him under the cap to pay him.
Speaker 1: What do you do next? You'll probably find a way, Okay,
Speaker 1: but Jeff, you say that, but how are you gonna
Speaker 1: do that? Wouldn't do that? But I mean the cap
Speaker 1: right now, I mean, you have somebody's gonna be gone
Speaker 1: and someone has to take pay cuts. Now, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I look at You're not gonna pay him? What is
Speaker 1: his fifteen or sixteen next morning? I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that, But I mean in a perfect world. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you'd like to keep him. I'd like to keep him.
Speaker 1: Do what would be just fourteen and a half? The
Speaker 1: dead Caps five? Okay? Yeah, alright, so what would be
Speaker 1: a fair number? Eight? I'm with him, I'm right there
Speaker 1: with him. That was this year seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: and the dead Caps two and a half next year? Yes,
Speaker 1: which I mean so look, I mean for how many snaps?
Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna pay We're gonna pay him how
Speaker 1: many snaps? No more than that and and pay him
Speaker 1: eight million. Now I'd be comfortable with that. Calais may
Speaker 1: not be comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with the
Speaker 1: other guys taking the snaps that he's not taking anymore? Um,
Speaker 1: what I mean, Smooth's got coming up on year four?
Speaker 1: I thought smooth. I thought Smooth took a big step
Speaker 1: up this year. I thought he played well. I think
Speaker 1: Smooth can take on more of that role and whether
Speaker 1: or not he could perform he Look, here's the reality,
Speaker 1: GP He's not gonna be able to perform at the
Speaker 1: level that Clay has performed at this year or the
Speaker 1: year before or the year before that. It's not with
Speaker 1: that that you're not trying to replace at the same
Speaker 1: level or better with Calais's performers. You're trying to get
Speaker 1: close to it so that you can allow Claiss to
Speaker 1: still be or to go back to his level of
Speaker 1: performance of what he was back in eighteen and seventeen. So, no,
Speaker 1: you can't place him with a guy that's gonna immediately
Speaker 1: be as good. It doesn't work that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've you've got defensive player. Yeah, he was awesome this year.
Speaker 1: He was good. It wasn't great. Two years ago, phenomenal
Speaker 1: three years ago. Wow, I mean arguably the best player
Speaker 1: in defense. He should have you should have won. So
Speaker 1: I mean, look at I'd love to keep him and
Speaker 1: and hopefully you can work something out. But what is this, Uh,
Speaker 1: it would be your thirteen years old and you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy who has made I think he's surpassed
Speaker 1: a hundred million in career earnings. So it becomes at
Speaker 1: a point where it's not about the money, although some
Speaker 1: cases it might still be. Yeah, he surpassed a hundred
Speaker 1: million this year a hundred three billion and change. In
Speaker 1: this when I think of your class, you have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself a question your health, if you're gonna take
Speaker 1: all health, and if you're gonna take a pay cut,
Speaker 1: because regardless, even if you let him go and he
Speaker 1: still wants to play, no one else is gonna pay
Speaker 1: in fifteen sixty million dollars either do a thing no
Speaker 1: I I yeah, I wouldn't think. So it comes down
Speaker 1: to crazy things happened, that's true. Fair enough. It comes
Speaker 1: down to if you're calaiss, do you want to take
Speaker 1: a pay cut? You still want to play? Now you
Speaker 1: have options. Let's say it's all equal I can make
Speaker 1: eight million dollars here. I can make eight million dollars
Speaker 1: a team A, B, C, and D, and then us
Speaker 1: be in the fifteam. You have to ask yourself where
Speaker 1: you are in your career. If all the money is
Speaker 1: equal and you've made a bunch of money, is what
Speaker 1: do you want? What do you want? And so comfort
Speaker 1: Maybe I want to finish my career. I've got to
Speaker 1: have a legacy here. I'm one of the most popular
Speaker 1: players in franchise history. I can, you know, try to
Speaker 1: help transposition this team and mentor young guys and you
Speaker 1: know everything else and have a chance to you know,
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs and make them happen. But it's
Speaker 1: not as good as or I can go to another
Speaker 1: team that's you know, a playoff can tender. It's gonna
Speaker 1: one of the favorites for the you know, Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I want to get a ring. Well, now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like, well, I love Jacksonville, but
Speaker 1: I want to ring. And I think Kansas City gives
Speaker 1: me a better chance of win to ring than Jacksonville does.
Speaker 1: Or what if Denver offers wherever you know what I
Speaker 1: chanced to play. My hometown had interest before, so so
Speaker 1: we'll see. Oh. By the way, um, the Dolphins traded
Speaker 1: Tannehill and a sixth round pick this year to the
Speaker 1: Titans for a twenty nineteen seventh round pick and a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. There were multiple draft picks, basically a
Speaker 1: fourth round a fifth rounder, yes, yeah, like a fourth
Speaker 1: fifth round. Sad news today, former Bengals and Bucks head
Speaker 1: coach Sam White passed away seventy four years of age.
Speaker 1: He died at his home and pick in South Carolina
Speaker 1: of liver cancer. He was the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Bengals from eighty four to ninety one, in the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: from ninety two to ninety five, and had a career
Speaker 1: after that in the broadcast booth. He was. My experience
Speaker 1: with him was kind of twofold. Bruce Coslate was my
Speaker 1: head coach when I was in New York for a time,
Speaker 1: and Bruce came from that. He was a player and
Speaker 1: coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for a long period of time,
Speaker 1: and so he came from underneath Sam White, and so
Speaker 1: I got to know Sam via Bruce and Uh and
Speaker 1: then also got to meet him a little bit when
Speaker 1: he was a broadcaster. Outstanding man, I mean top notch,
Speaker 1: top level human being coach Guy. I can't say enough
Speaker 1: good things about him. In uh in the world has
Speaker 1: lost to Google. All right, we're back in a moment
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