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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguar's football bottle but every day.

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Speaker 1: This is very low rent for a town that prides

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Speaker 1: January second, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now a

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is in reference to

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's not accurate either, but yeah, welcome in Jack.

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Speaker 1: What is what is Jame P stand for? James Patrick?

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Speaker 1: Do we have to one of those? Is right? We're

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere until you well? Alright, So we've got

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Speaker 1: plenty of other discuss James Ball, Jared Patrick. Jared Patrick

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Speaker 1: train on up, buddy. This is Jaguars j Tony Boselli,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. Here's what's coming up on the program called

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Speaker 1: Well and Maron Quick Talking Called Well Maron return communication

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Speaker 1: will be improved, they say, we'll hear from those guys

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Speaker 1: coming up the off season schedule. We're there now, So

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Speaker 1: what's coming up in the next month or two, including

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. The build up begins that Jack's have

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Speaker 1: with the press conference from earlier this week on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: Dave called well general manager, trying to get those players

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Speaker 1: from some other thoughts from that press conference. Yes, Tony,

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Speaker 1: You can first day you got, I mean, and he'll

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Speaker 1: be upset and I get why. Um, but you have

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Speaker 1: to use it for a levite standpoint and the organization,

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Speaker 1: because one you want to have more time to negotiate

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Speaker 1: just like it's for Yon business business. He has to

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Speaker 1: make a business decisions with that is best for him

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Speaker 1: and he's earned that right. He's played great football for

436
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Speaker 1: four years. He took a gamble. He came back this year.

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Speaker 1: He played. His tail off was hurt earlier the year.

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Speaker 1: I think it affected some of his numbers from a

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Speaker 1: stack production with that hamstring the first few weeks, and

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Speaker 1: he played through it. He played through it. He complaint.

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Speaker 1: He never made the contracting issue. He was not a

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Speaker 1: locker room issue. He was, like Jeff said, he played

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Speaker 1: his tail off at the end. Um, He's the type

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Speaker 1: of guy one on my football team if I was

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Speaker 1: And so you have to use the tag if you

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Speaker 1: can't come to a deal before then. And once you

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Speaker 1: use the tag, now you have some leverage because you

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Speaker 1: can either sign him to a long term deal you

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Speaker 1: can force him to play for that number. It's the

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Speaker 1: tag is probably gonna be seventeen eighteen million dollars over

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Speaker 1: the cap. Dot Com hasn't projected his nineteen nineteen point three,

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Speaker 1: So that's your baseline starting negotiations for paying he's getting

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Speaker 1: at least nineteen point three million a year. That's the minimum.

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Speaker 1: That's and uh, and they really take the second year

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Speaker 1: into account, and that's your guaranteed money minimum. Ye in

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Speaker 1: the second year, if they franchised him again, it would

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Speaker 1: be another above that, I believe, so there'll still be

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Speaker 1: twenty three. So your minimum guaranteed you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: pay unique is fifty million. Basically, then I'm that's starting.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's like like like your first offer can't

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Speaker 1: be below that has probably ten to fifteen percent higher

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Speaker 1: than that because if you're on um, but you have

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Speaker 1: to tag him because you have leverage to force him

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Speaker 1: to play that number, you have leverage to give you

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Speaker 1: more time to work out a long term deal. And finally,

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Speaker 1: if you can't, you have the leverage to trade them

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Speaker 1: and get a first round draft which he would have

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Speaker 1: to sign, right he would have to sign the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag to be traded. Yes, I believe so, but no,

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Speaker 1: that would be out. So you have to use it.

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Speaker 1: Um Again, I'm with Jeff. Do I want him on

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Speaker 1: the team? Yes, but you you have to. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this team has salary cap issues right now. It is

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Speaker 1: over the cap going in the next year, meaning you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to cut, which I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: here in a little bit some starters. Guys. Who are

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Speaker 1: starters that you counted on this year? Is your front

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Speaker 1: line guys, You're going to have to cut or get

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Speaker 1: them to restructure in a major way. And so you

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Speaker 1: just can't just start going to write a check for

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Speaker 1: twenty two in dollars a year to yawn until you

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Speaker 1: figure that side out. And in that process you have

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Speaker 1: to sit back and say, not just for this coming year,

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Speaker 1: but for the next three to four years, are we

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Speaker 1: willing to as an organization to put a cap number

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Speaker 1: in the high in the mid twenties or the low

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Speaker 1: twenties on our pass rusher. That's the question you have

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Speaker 1: to ask, and you have to it's a big it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a puzzle, it's a you have to look

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Speaker 1: at the allocatian resources and that's going to allocate to

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Speaker 1: that position. That's that's you know, that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And you already have to the other defensive end. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the number is for Josh Allen's rookie deal,

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Speaker 1: but it's probably about nine or ten years, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. That's a great question. Uh,

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Speaker 1: rookie deal, I mean should not be anything that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Five years. JP's gonna stand four years. The four year numbers.

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Speaker 1: What's five year? I mean it's a five year deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but right now you're only locked in for the fourth

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Speaker 1: locked in four, but it's gonna be five. Your cab

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Speaker 1: numbers on four an option here, and the way he's

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Speaker 1: growing right now, you've already picked the option of if

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Speaker 1: you could do it for Josh Allen, cap hit five

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Speaker 1: point one, captain nine five point one. So I mean

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Speaker 1: that means what's your cap hit next year? You got

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Speaker 1: that six point two one, but it's five point one.

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Speaker 1: So here's it's very simple. So you do you want

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Speaker 1: to allocate or thirty million dollars at the defense and

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Speaker 1: end position for your starters. And that's I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a question. It's it's a big picture. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not a crazy philosophy to build around guys like that,

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Speaker 1: not at all. I'm not saying it is. But considering

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Speaker 1: everything else that that's gone out from this football team

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Speaker 1: and the salary cap over the last few years, you

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Speaker 1: got to let me go back to when when people

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Speaker 1: like the Rams Rams and in a pretty tough spot

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Speaker 1: because they traded away a lot of their draft capital

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Speaker 1: and five guys and a a hundred eight million dollars of

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Speaker 1: the cap. Okay, So when you have that kind of

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Speaker 1: top heavy salary cap, I guess you could say until

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Speaker 1: so now you need to find a way to bring

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Speaker 1: in your lower cost employees. I means you have to

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Speaker 1: figure out the other forty eight guys for a hundred millions, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you're you're lower cost employees come in in the

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Speaker 1: form of rookies, okay. And then that rookies comes in

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Speaker 1: typically in the draft, and if you're not getting them

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Speaker 1: free agents. So where are the Rams right now trying

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Speaker 1: to be able to counteract that top heavy salary cap.

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Speaker 1: They're in a tough position now, and to be perfect

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Speaker 1: honest with your next couple of years, they're screwed. They're screwed.

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Speaker 1: What are they gonna do? According to less Need, he says,

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Speaker 1: They're fine, You're gonna sign Ramps fired and somebody else

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Speaker 1: is gonna have to clean the mess up. And then

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get fired because they didn't clean it up

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Speaker 1: quick enough. And then whoever comes in after that point,

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Speaker 1: then we'll have a decent job in a new stadium

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Speaker 1: next year and a really big new stadium. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: gotta fill This is years down the road that all

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Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. I'm gonna take a couple years

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Speaker 1: for the Rams to realize what are we doing? What?

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Speaker 1: Why do we give up a two first round picks

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Speaker 1: in the fourth round pick for a guy that didn't

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Speaker 1: And then when they realized that they can't off set

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Speaker 1: They've got no way to counteract it, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have the resources to be able to

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Speaker 1: summer summarize John. We all want him back, and the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position, as you said, Logs, you feel this priority number, well,

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Speaker 1: I think it should be. And look, I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: he came back and won two games himself. I the

641
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: winner is gonna be uh. I think the running back

642
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is going to get the probably, Yeah, but

643
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: I know that there's a couple other publications slash websites

644
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: to come out with their picks and uh, Minshew hasn't

645
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: won any of them yet, and Josh Allen hasn't won

646
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: any of them because Bo has been getting obviously better team.

647
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: I think it is going to get you there. And

648
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: he was a higher pick and he's a really good player.

649
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean to try to pick between Josh Allen Nick Boss,

650
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't go wrong either way. I think

651
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: they're both great players. If you're looking at Kyler Murray

652
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: and Minshew, if you look at the numbers, I mean,

653
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Minshew has been better and uh so more wins, more touchdowns.

654
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discount what Gardner Minshew has been

655
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: able to do this year. But I think if if

656
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: you stand pat at the quarterback position and take the

657
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: approach of the hey, look, we feel good about where

658
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: we're at, and we feel good enough to the point

659
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: where where we're not going to look at addressing the

660
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: quarterback position via the draft or free ancy. I don't

661
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: think you can do it during free anc anyway, But

662
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're not going to address it

663
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: in in the draft, I think that's a mistake. I

664
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: think you always have to be open to doing that,

665
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: as I said before, and tell you know you have

666
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, you may feel good about Minshew,

667
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: but do you know would you use the would you

668
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: use the sixth over I guess we're at six more,

669
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: ninth overall pick Tony. I said I would do it

670
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: last year, right, I mean we we had this conversation

671
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: last year in the draft, and I think we talked

672
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: about I think it was Haskins and and and well,

673
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what Haskins is gonna become, but

674
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting conversation. I said last year

675
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: that yes, I would consider drafting a quarterback, even though

676
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: the Jaguars had spent the money in free agency on

677
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: Nick Foles. So here's the balance of this too. It

678
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: This was asked kind of in the press conference a

679
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: little bit, they've got to win, called well on Maro Own,

680
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: they've got to win next year. They've got to be

681
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: a playoff team next year. Right, If you draft a

682
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, ninth overall and expect him

683
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: to go out and get you to the playoffs? Is

684
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: that thinking too much of that? Guy? Yes? Was the

685
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: balance of they're not sure of the organization versus next year? Well,

686
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: that's I think that question depends who you're asking, darn right,

687
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: it is well that question was actually posed during the

688
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: press conference and called Wells felt that that was that

689
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: was his job in ownership's job to balance that, to

690
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: provide balance in that instance. And again, I mean that

691
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: that's hard. It's hard to do that because going back

692
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: to what we talked about before, there is skin in

693
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: the game. And if you're giving a win now mandate,

694
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do? And so and

695
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they were given a win now, man,

696
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: we were. The expectation is they've got to show improvement

697
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: whatever that is. So uh so, yeah, I mean that's

698
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: that's a tough thing to accomplish. And uh and look,

699
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: I don't know the draft as far as quarterbacks, so

700
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Now I know that there's one

701
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: of them that is I've seen two points pretty good

702
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrows pretty good act I've seen three

703
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Joe brow to uh how came saying his last that's

704
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: all I'm going with you. And then Herbert from Oregon

705
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: I already looked really good in the ballgame. I didn't

706
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: watch it well, stats were terrible. I was on a plane,

707
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: so I didn't see it. Maybe I'm wrong, No, no,

708
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: but all the report I read, the same reports that

709
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: he looked like he's the real deal. Rookies at other

710
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: positions can have more of an immediate impact, though, unless

711
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: your name is Andrew Luck or I guess r G

712
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: three had a big impact this first Historically it doesn't

713
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: work out. And well, Lamar Jackson. Here, here's a perfect example.

714
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was taking thirty first in the NFL pick.

715
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: They were an organization that looked like possibly making a

716
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: change of the head coach. Seven seventh straight or sixth

717
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: like that, got won the division and gotten to play.

718
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: So rookie quarterback not common, but rookie quarterbacks can, I mean,

719
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: special ones can make a difference. But here, here, here,

720
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: let's look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean,

721
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, look out,

722
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: how many of them have had that kind of an

723
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: impact in the rookie season. Montana l A, Marina Marino

724
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: pretty good? Uh, but yeah, I mean not many guys

725
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: came in and had that impact. So it's it's it's

726
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: pretty rare for that position. I'm with Jeff, I think

727
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: you always draft a guy until you have the guy

728
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: that you know he's the guy. And even then, even

729
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: when you know you have the guy, you brand need

730
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: the draft one every two or three years in the

731
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: middle of the back end. Um, But did you see

732
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard's comments today on Jacoby Brissette, And I thought

733
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: it was pretty good and that he was asked about

734
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brissett and he said, you know, we're just

735
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: not comfortable. We still feel like we've got a lot

736
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of work to do at that position, said, we need

737
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: to be better in the passing game. Jacoby has to

738
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: be better, We have to be better as coaches. I

739
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: have to be better to provide more weapons for Jacoby Brissette.

740
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: And I liked his answer and that he was very noncommittal.

741
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, look, you know, I feel good

742
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brissette. He didn't say I feel bad about

743
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette, said look, we got work to do. And

744
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: uh And I think when you I mean that that

745
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: that I think is a really honest assessment of where

746
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: they're at. And it's very fair and I don't think

747
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: that's in any way demeaning from the general manager Ballard

748
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: down to Brissette. I think it's that's just that's reality, right,

749
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: and it's honest. And I thought that that was was

750
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: a good way to go about the only reason I

751
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: would not take a quarterback at nine this year from

752
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: what I've seen of the work I've done, I think

753
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: what will be there at nine, Like, I'm only taking

754
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: the guy at nine if I'm convinced, if if I'm

755
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: David doug And and shod and due through the evaluation,

756
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: like this guy is the and so we're taking him.

757
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: If he falls the nine, we're taking him. Other than that,

758
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: I think this roster has way too many holes. I guess,

759
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: way too many holes. And I think you need to.

760
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: I think you need to if it was me the

761
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: first three picks or first four picks. Let's say that

762
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: your two first, your two, and your three and no order,

763
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: because I haven't done any work on the draft either,

764
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: but you need offensive line defense into your defensive line, middle, linebacker,

765
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: tight end. Those are like major holes on this quarterback.

766
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: And I would I would argue, I would argue defensive first,

767
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: you gotta stop that run somehow. You have to have

768
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: best player first. You have to fix the interior of

769
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: that defense. Defense, tackle, middle, lineback. Um, the combination of

770
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm with Jeff, with Jeff as well, if a franchise

771
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: left tackle sitting there at nine, you take him, take

772
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: them more. More mistakes have been made in the draft

773
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: trying to pick need than than best player. Yeah, you need.

774
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: I mean no, I'm not just picking best player. I'm

775
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: not picking I don't care if the best player in

776
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: the world's at wide receiver, I'm not or running back.

777
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm not picking him ninth. I think as Jerry Judy

778
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: and if he's here on the eight crow. But I

779
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: said the same thing in seventeen when Jared whatsever his

780
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: name is, j J J that's whatever, whatever, That's why

781
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: we're not gonna pick him, or we might who knows, um,

782
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: But that's why I wouldn't at nine right now, having

783
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: done no college work, just watch college football this year,

784
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: would not pick a quarterback right there. Um, As far

785
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: as Gardner Mintshew, I thought it was funny, no decision

786
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: has been made. But then at the last comment was

787
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: we feel good about Gardner? Minshew never mentioned Nick Foles

788
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: at all. Well, the question that, to be fair, was

789
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: asked specific about Okay, but he delved into the quarterback

790
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: position Um, that's fair then. Uh. The bottom line is this,

791
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: The facts are the facts. Gardner Minshew was the best

792
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL workie quarterback in the NFL this year.

793
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: If you would have been a first round draft pick,

794
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: everybody in this country, in this city, in the NFL

795
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: community would be saying, boy, the Jaguars found their guy,

796
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: but Ricky in the back, coming in on a roster

797
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: that's not very good, winning six games during twenty one touchdowns,

798
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: nine interceptions over six completion percentage, everybody would be saying,

799
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: based on no tight end on the roster, um, you know,

800
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of some issues as far as protection at

801
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line, maybe saying he's the guy. I mean,

802
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: that's what they would be saying, because they're saying in

803
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: New York with Daniel Jones right now, they're excited about him.

804
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Arizona is a static ecstatic with Kyler Murley Murray. He

805
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: was better than both of them. What doesn't though, when

806
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: you're higher draft back, a first round quarterback, is the

807
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: focus a little more on your mistakes like the mistakes

808
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: that Gardner made if he was the first round because

809
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: the expectations are higher, so the concentration is higher numbers.

810
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers and nine. I'm just saying, like

811
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: the it could be a different um approach to criticism

812
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: of him. I don't disagree. But as you look at

813
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: it where you sit Kyler Murray won five games, Daniel

814
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Jones won three games, UH, Dwayne Haskins won two or

815
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Speaker 1: three games, and you have UH with Gardner Mins who

816
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: win six games. I don't think anyone will argue, at

817
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: least at this table right now or across the league,

818
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars roster was better than those other teams.

819
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. But what I'm saying but is it

820
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: was it remarkably better Jeff, based on what you know. Yeah,

821
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's worse, but I'm just saying, but

822
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Speaker 1: it's in it. So you look at his touchdown to

823
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: interception ratio better than all of them. You look at

824
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: his completion percentage right in the same area, which is

825
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: not good enough. It's not good enough, but it's right

826
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: in the same areas these other rookies. And so that's

827
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: where I think if you look at gardnerments, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's the guy. By the way. That's

829
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Speaker 1: why I'm picking a quarterback at some point in this draft,

830
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced he's not either. I'm with you,

831
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: so it's it's unknown. All right, let's come back in

832
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: a moment. We will discuss wild card weekend that's coming.

833
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Let me just say this because when I think when

834
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: and what you don't want to get into is a

835
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: situation where you've been in before, which is where like

836
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: where you're at with borders and seventeen essentially extending him

837
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: and then and then you don't end up miss you

838
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: passing somebody because you think you have them. That's what

839
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, so I mean you you didn't maybe

840
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: take three guys in that year and then the next

841
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: year that could have been guys. And so that's what

842
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You've got to be very cautious about about

843
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: how committed you are, because you gotta know before you

844
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: before you give up that search, or before you kind

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00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,360
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Speaker 1: do you have it wild Card weekend? Some teams playing

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Speaker 1: postseason football this week. The Jaguars are not among them.

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Speaker 1: the Patriots game? Is that right? YEA been Gillette tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: and uh go watch the Titans and the Patriots play game.

934
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: It'll be fun. Uh even matchup, I think, yeah. I

935
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Speaker 1: think it's to be a close game. You know, usually

936
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Speaker 1: you just say, as long as that the Patriots could

937
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: stop Derrick Henry, they'll be fine. But you go look

938
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Speaker 1: at the numbers and what Ryan Tannehill has done this

939
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,320
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00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: They're like the red zone proficiency is off the charts. Over.

941
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Speaker 1: I think it's like they touchdowns, they score, um, what's

942
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: his completion percentage? Well, and they gave up what round

943
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944
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Speaker 1: It was a late round pick, fourth rounder six, something

945
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Speaker 1: like that. I mean a late round pick. Um. He's been,

946
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947
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Speaker 1: any team this season. Tannehill seventy passing this year to

948
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Speaker 1: a one. Yeah, it's amazing. It's like one, see what

949
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: what round they gave up? But yeah, it's good. And

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Speaker 1: then you know the Patriots can't are struggling to score points,

951
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Speaker 1: so Brady A lot of talk that this will be

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Speaker 1: Brady's last if they don't, if they lose, will be

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Speaker 1: Brady's last game in the Patriot uniform. You think it

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Speaker 1: will be? Um, Yeah, I do. I think if I

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Speaker 1: think that Belichick's ready to move on, that's the sense

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Speaker 1: kind of you read between the lines. I haven't talked

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Speaker 1: I think belichicks here. I mean he has not I mean,

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Speaker 1: Brady has not been great. Now. He doesn't have a

961
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Speaker 1: lot of weapons either around them. But let me make

962
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Speaker 1: this point because it's it's interesting to me because when

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Speaker 1: a player gets to be a certain age and and

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Speaker 1: I'll put tom Brady in this in this bag and

965
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Speaker 1: it also plays Campbell in the same boat. Okay, And

966
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Speaker 1: then when they get to a certain point age wise,

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Speaker 1: tom Brady's got an elbow, maybe Clariss has got a

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971
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Speaker 1: think sometimes people are quick to go it's the age.

972
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Speaker 1: We've got to move on from this, instead of maybe

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Speaker 1: having a little bit of patience with somebody and then

974
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Speaker 1: keeping them for another year. But I mean, age sometimes

975
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Speaker 1: is that first reaction. So I wouldn't be conn If

976
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Speaker 1: I'm the Patriots, I'm not sitting there going age is

977
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Speaker 1: caught up with tom Brady. We've got to move on

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Speaker 1: from him. You don't want to move on to I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would roll the dice another year and say, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: you know I've got a guy who's who's the goat

981
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: and maybe it was just a health issue this year,

982
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: and try to roll with him once again. Just like

983
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: if I were the Jaguars, I would want to roll

984
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Speaker 1: with Claiss Campbell once again. I'd like to try to

985
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: get the number a little bit more manageable because I'm

986
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna try to reduce his number of defensive snaps. Well, yeah,

987
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: forget about but I have to get the number more manageable.

988
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: Because you can't afford him under the cap to pay him.

989
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: What do you do next? You'll probably find a way, Okay,

990
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Speaker 1: but Jeff, you say that, but how are you gonna

991
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Speaker 1: do that? Wouldn't do that? But I mean the cap

992
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Speaker 1: right now, I mean, you have somebody's gonna be gone

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Speaker 1: and someone has to take pay cuts. Now, I'm with you.

994
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: I look at You're not gonna pay him? What is

995
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Speaker 1: his fifteen or sixteen next morning? I mean, you wouldn't

996
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Speaker 1: do that, But I mean in a perfect world. I mean, look,

997
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Speaker 1: you'd like to keep him. I'd like to keep him.

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Speaker 1: Do what would be just fourteen and a half? The

999
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Speaker 1: dead Caps five? Okay? Yeah, alright, so what would be

1000
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Speaker 1: a fair number? Eight? I'm with him, I'm right there

1001
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: with him. That was this year seventeen and a half

1002
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Speaker 1: and the dead Caps two and a half next year? Yes,

1003
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Speaker 1: which I mean so look, I mean for how many snaps?

1004
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Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna pay We're gonna pay him how

1005
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: many snaps? No more than that and and pay him

1006
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Speaker 1: eight million. Now I'd be comfortable with that. Calais may

1007
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Speaker 1: not be comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with the

1008
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Speaker 1: other guys taking the snaps that he's not taking anymore? Um,

1009
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Smooth's got coming up on year four?

1010
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Speaker 1: I thought smooth. I thought Smooth took a big step

1011
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: up this year. I thought he played well. I think

1012
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: Smooth can take on more of that role and whether

1013
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: or not he could perform he Look, here's the reality,

1014
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: GP He's not gonna be able to perform at the

1015
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: level that Clay has performed at this year or the

1016
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Speaker 1: year before or the year before that. It's not with

1017
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: that that you're not trying to replace at the same

1018
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: level or better with Calais's performers. You're trying to get

1019
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: close to it so that you can allow Claiss to

1020
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: still be or to go back to his level of

1021
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: performance of what he was back in eighteen and seventeen. So, no,

1022
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: you can't place him with a guy that's gonna immediately

1023
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: be as good. It doesn't work that way. I mean,

1024
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: you've you've got defensive player. Yeah, he was awesome this year.

1025
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: He was good. It wasn't great. Two years ago, phenomenal

1026
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: three years ago. Wow, I mean arguably the best player

1027
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: in defense. He should have you should have won. So

1028
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look at I'd love to keep him and

1029
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: and hopefully you can work something out. But what is this, Uh,

1030
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Speaker 1: it would be your thirteen years old and you're talking

1031
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Speaker 1: about a guy who has made I think he's surpassed

1032
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: a hundred million in career earnings. So it becomes at

1033
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: a point where it's not about the money, although some

1034
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Speaker 1: cases it might still be. Yeah, he surpassed a hundred

1035
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: million this year a hundred three billion and change. In

1036
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Speaker 1: this when I think of your class, you have to

1037
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Speaker 1: ask yourself a question your health, if you're gonna take

1038
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: all health, and if you're gonna take a pay cut,

1039
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: because regardless, even if you let him go and he

1040
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Speaker 1: still wants to play, no one else is gonna pay

1041
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: in fifteen sixty million dollars either do a thing no

1042
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: I I yeah, I wouldn't think. So it comes down

1043
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: to crazy things happened, that's true. Fair enough. It comes

1044
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: down to if you're calaiss, do you want to take

1045
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: a pay cut? You still want to play? Now you

1046
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: have options. Let's say it's all equal I can make

1047
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: eight million dollars here. I can make eight million dollars

1048
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Speaker 1: a team A, B, C, and D, and then us

1049
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Speaker 1: be in the fifteam. You have to ask yourself where

1050
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: you are in your career. If all the money is

1051
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: equal and you've made a bunch of money, is what

1052
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Speaker 1: do you want? What do you want? And so comfort

1053
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Speaker 1: Maybe I want to finish my career. I've got to

1054
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Speaker 1: have a legacy here. I'm one of the most popular

1055
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Speaker 1: players in franchise history. I can, you know, try to

1056
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: help transposition this team and mentor young guys and you

1057
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: know everything else and have a chance to you know,

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Speaker 1: go to the playoffs and make them happen. But it's

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Speaker 1: not as good as or I can go to another

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Speaker 1: team that's you know, a playoff can tender. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: one of the favorites for the you know, Super Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I want to get a ring. Well, now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like, well, I love Jacksonville, but

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Speaker 1: I want to ring. And I think Kansas City gives

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Speaker 1: me a better chance of win to ring than Jacksonville does.

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Speaker 1: Or what if Denver offers wherever you know what I

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Speaker 1: chanced to play. My hometown had interest before, so so

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Speaker 1: we'll see. Oh. By the way, um, the Dolphins traded

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Speaker 1: Tannehill and a sixth round pick this year to the

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Speaker 1: Titans for a twenty nineteen seventh round pick and a

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick. There were multiple draft picks, basically a

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Speaker 1: fourth round a fifth rounder, yes, yeah, like a fourth

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Speaker 1: fifth round. Sad news today, former Bengals and Bucks head

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Speaker 1: coach Sam White passed away seventy four years of age.

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Speaker 1: He died at his home and pick in South Carolina

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Speaker 1: of liver cancer. He was the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals from eighty four to ninety one, in the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: from ninety two to ninety five, and had a career

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Speaker 1: after that in the broadcast booth. He was. My experience

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Speaker 1: with him was kind of twofold. Bruce Coslate was my

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Speaker 1: head coach when I was in New York for a time,

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Speaker 1: and Bruce came from that. He was a player and

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Speaker 1: coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: and so he came from underneath Sam White, and so

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Speaker 1: I got to know Sam via Bruce and Uh and

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Speaker 1: then also got to meet him a little bit when

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Speaker 1: he was a broadcaster. Outstanding man, I mean top notch,

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Speaker 1: top level human being coach Guy. I can't say enough

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Speaker 1: good things about him. In uh in the world has

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Speaker 1: lost to Google. All right, we're back in a moment

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Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Radio Network that Doug Barone show right

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Speaker 1: around the corner. Thanks for listening to Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Digital Network.