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Speaker 2: Living your own.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's give it to business. My guess he's on

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Speaker 2: the call and I had him on the show before

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Speaker 2: and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress, overcoming

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Speaker 2: the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed by

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Speaker 2: earning a comfortable living after having lost it all. Dumbbar's

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Speaker 2: committed to creating a new normal life for himself, deliberately

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Speaker 2: focused on his physical health and strength continue to earn

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Speaker 2: an income while still in chronic pain and without his knowledge,

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Speaker 2: was teaching himself and possibly the world a masterclass in survival.

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Speaker 2: In this book, he gives a first hand account on

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Speaker 2: how he made money, lost Danty Palce, and thrived in

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Speaker 2: chronic pain in the financial and health care worlds. Please

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Speaker 2: welco with the money Making Conversation master class again, the

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Speaker 2: one and only Jackson Dunbar.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, sir, great? Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 2: When I invite you and I meet people like you.

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Speaker 2: I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I

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Speaker 2: didn't know about, and I'm just going to share something

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Speaker 2: I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and

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Speaker 2: right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and

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Speaker 2: so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue

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Speaker 2: to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to get into detail and talk about

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Speaker 2: the pain that you you were dealing with. I would

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient

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Speaker 3: due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone

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Speaker 3: that's in constant Paine over six months. I've been in

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Speaker 3: Constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I just have to deal with it when you.

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Speaker 2: Say that now, right now, there's a you know, I've

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Speaker 2: My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll share this story

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Speaker 2: How did you because that was just an incident, but

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Speaker 3: on which I did. I got to say, if you're chronic,

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Speaker 3: I deal with the racism that singdemic and pain medacine treatment?

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Speaker 3: I wrote my book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How

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Speaker 3: I made money, lost ninety pounds and driving from pain.

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Speaker 2: He was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients

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Speaker 2: Wow. Now it was something you put out there that

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Speaker 2: COVID therapy became a rise in the black community, you know,

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Speaker 2: with that a word, did you could share publicly with

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Speaker 3: You know what my favorite chapter in this book is

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Speaker 3: real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about

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Speaker 3: I just wasn't hearing it. And it wasn't until what happened.

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Speaker 2: And he little Jackson, that was you talk about the

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Speaker 3: And I was in a scooter saying this.

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Speaker 3: It was it was almost as if hey, the person

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of people who deal with I

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Speaker 2: so you spoke to your wife and that was an

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Speaker 2: important conversation because that led you to the better life

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Speaker 2: money making Conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar. We'll be

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Speaker 2: getting to financial fire financial literacy later on this show,

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Speaker 2: but more importantly How I Made Money his chapters How

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Speaker 2: I Made money, lost ninety pounds and thrived in chronic pain.

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Speaker 2: You know, within the black community, we are you know

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Speaker 2: we you know last hire first fire lads to get

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Speaker 2: information on therapy or shut the responsibility to deny the

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Speaker 2: gay community within our household, deny. There's age in our

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Speaker 2: the end, we are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed

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Speaker 2: about what we can do. And when you write a

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Speaker 2: purposeful book, How I Made Money. You know, it's one

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Speaker 2: of the chapters in your book, what profit do you

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what I did, and I think any

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Speaker 3: chronic pain patient in my position should do this as well.

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Speaker 3: Come to the reality that you are limited in what

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you're lucky with the payments, you may have a

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Speaker 3: few hours of lucidity at best. So the question is

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Speaker 3: is what's the best way to make money the biggest

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Speaker 2: You know in Caesar?

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Speaker 2: What is your version of a Vegas trip? Jackson?

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Speaker 2: You need to stop, Jackson need Do you know what

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Speaker 3: Baby, you've had this skill set our whole life and

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And thirty days I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 5: But that.

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Speaker 2: But that skill set, you know, God is good in

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for sharing that that story.

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Speaker 2: That's an honest story, and I want you to stick around.

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Speaker 2: And I want to get back to the financial investing

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, psycho psychiatry, child and adult psychiatry.

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Speaker 2: And that's important and that's part of your motivation. Now

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Speaker 3: And that's how and that's how I focused myself.

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Speaker 2: Remember this. If you planning a vacation, think about it twice.

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