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Speaker 2: Now, let's give it to business. My guess he's on

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Speaker 2: the call and I had him on the show before

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Speaker 2: and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress, overcoming

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Speaker 2: the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed by

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Speaker 2: earning a comfortable living after having lost it all. Dumbbar's

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Speaker 2: committed to creating a new normal life for himself, deliberately

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Speaker 2: focused on his physical health and strength continue to earn

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Speaker 2: an income while still in chronic pain and without his knowledge,

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Speaker 2: was teaching himself and possibly the world a masterclass in survival.

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Speaker 2: In this book, he gives a first hand account on

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Speaker 2: how he made money, lost Danty Palce, and thrived in

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Speaker 2: chronic pain in the financial and health care worlds. Please

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Speaker 2: welco with the money making Conversation masterclass again, the one

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Speaker 2: and only Jackson Dunbar.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, sir, great? Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 2: When I invite you and I meet people like you.

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Speaker 2: I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I

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Speaker 2: didn't know about, and I'm just going to share something

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Speaker 2: I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and

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Speaker 2: right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and

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Speaker 2: so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue

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Speaker 2: to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to get into detail and talk about

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Speaker 2: the pain that you you were dealing with. I would

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient

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Speaker 3: due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone

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Speaker 3: that's in constant Paine over six months. I've been in

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Speaker 3: constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I just have to deal with it when you.

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Speaker 2: Say that now, right now, there's a you know, I've

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Speaker 2: had pain. I was in the hospital for thirty days.

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Speaker 2: My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll share this story

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Speaker 2: was in an emergency and the doctor pulled back the

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Speaker 2: You will die. I can always remember that statem when

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Speaker 2: You when it collapsed, it becomes the size of a quarter,

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Speaker 2: And he had to so they had to do so

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Speaker 2: How did you because that was just an incident, but

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Speaker 3: And then and suggested I get therapy, on which I did.

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Speaker 3: How do I thrive in crime pain even though I'm

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Speaker 3: in order to get my medications. He's the reason I wrote.

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Speaker 5: My book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How.

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Speaker 3: I made money, lost ninety pounds and driving from pain.

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Speaker 2: He was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients

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Speaker 2: Wow. Now it was something you put out there that

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Speaker 3: You know what my favorite chapter in this book is

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Speaker 3: real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about

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Speaker 5: Sally's right, yeah, closed the door in my face.

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Speaker 3: I started yelling at him. He called me an old man.

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Speaker 2: And he little Jackson, that was you talk about. The

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Speaker 3: And I came home. I told my wife, Hey, you

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Speaker 3: If I'm a therapist that focused in chronic pain, and

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Speaker 5: Was lay out all my meds.

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Speaker 3: At this time, the pain doctor was giving me meds,

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Speaker 2: so you spoke to your wife and that was an

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Speaker 2: important conversation because that led you to the better life

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Speaker 2: that you lived today. We'll be right back for more

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Speaker 2: money making Conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar. We'll be

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Speaker 2: but more importantly How I Made Money his chapters How

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Speaker 2: You know, within the black community, we are you know

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Speaker 2: information on therapy or shut the responsibility to deny the

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Speaker 2: the end, we are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed

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Speaker 2: about what we can do. And when you write a

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Speaker 2: purposeful book, How I Made Money. You know, it's one

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what I did, and I think any

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Speaker 3: Come to the reality that you are limited in what

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Speaker 5: If you're lucky with the payments, you may have a

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Speaker 2: I don't know how what's your trip to Vegas? Are

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So hey, I'm way too over Southwest. I'm blind.

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Speaker 5: At the same time.

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Speaker 3: Anything you need to stop, Jackson, You need not You

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Speaker 2: You hurt my feelings over here. Bam, all that money,

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Speaker 2: Listen to this call. I'm telling you we're not trying

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Speaker 5: You know what's funny? Okay? When I started investing, within

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Speaker 4: And Jackson, jacks you're funny, she said, baby like that, baby, baby.

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Speaker 2: But that skill set, you know, God is good in

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Speaker 2: You know, because of the fact that you know, right

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Speaker 2: now my knee hurt, but it's not in chronic pain.

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Speaker 3: Then then it's okay. You have to remember your meds.

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Speaker 5: Well here, Karon Hunter had me on her show. I

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Speaker 3: Up happening is that y'all former community. And I might

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we're all looking at different aspects of the market,

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for sharing that that story.

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Speaker 2: That's an honest story, and I want you to stick around,

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Speaker 2: because we only tip tip of the ice, Crea. I

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Speaker 2: the healthcare field as well, correct Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, psycho psychiatry, child and adult psychiatry.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: We want to talk about that a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: I look at my life, you know, it was really interesting, Jackson.

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Speaker 2: We should only was on what we can do and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to bring you back on the show because

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Speaker 2: You didn't plan on living a life of chronic praining.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, you was bike riding, he was done

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Speaker 2: But you did not let a negative win in your life.

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Speaker 2: And that's important and that's part of your motivation. Now

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Speaker 5: You got to get you to get the business.

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Speaker 3: And that's how and that's how I focused myself.

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Speaker 2: Remember this. If you planning a vacation, think about it twice.

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