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Speaker 1: Post Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm so honored. This is my very first podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. That means you've denied many a requests,

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Speaker 3: but we made it.

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Speaker 4: I misues, I'm sugar Steve.

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Speaker 2: I love your name.

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Speaker 1: Thank you a single.

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Speaker 3: Don't ask about it if you want to.

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Speaker 2: Say, don't make any inquiries that you're not looking for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where you are, but I know your

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Speaker 4: Bill's managing now.

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Speaker 5: But so I want to you get a lot done today.

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Speaker 5: Dis years, I'm gonna get paid finally. All we've doing

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Speaker 5: this for way too.

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Speaker 1: Long that I haven't paid yet. It would be super jinky.

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Speaker 6: This is gonna be the first time that I will

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Speaker 6: admit on the air that I might be stealing the

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Speaker 6: neighbors and Wi Fi. I was thinking, no, they don't

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Speaker 6: know I'm stealing it. Shout out to apartment b letting me.

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Speaker 6: This episode of Quest Left Supreme brought to you by

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Speaker 6: my next door neighbors. Thank you, pladies and gentlemen. This

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Speaker 6: is Quest Left Supreme. We are together again. We're together,

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Speaker 6: all five of us. It's been a minute.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, hey William here.

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Speaker 1: Hey Bill, have you you've been going a long time.

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Speaker 5: I went to Fante's house to get cigarettes and I'm back.

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Speaker 5: I'm back. I'm happy to be back. Thank you.

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Speaker 6: So I'm hearing around the grape vine that you've created

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Speaker 6: yet another Broadway hit.

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Speaker 5: You know, people seem to like it. People come to

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Speaker 5: see it. It's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I'm you're in the buzz. I'm here in the buzz.

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Speaker 5: I think you should come see it. I think everyone

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Speaker 5: should come to see it. It's quite it's a good show.

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Speaker 3: Tell you how Bill is? Just say that a mer

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Speaker 3: I asked Bill. I said, so, how long is the

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Speaker 3: show running? He was like, what do you mean? It

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Speaker 3: just run? And I was like, oh, that's that happened

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Speaker 3: to everybody, or okay, it's just Broadway into.

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Speaker 6: Bill comes from Hamilton pedigree, so that means that anything

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Speaker 6: he creates, you know. Meanwhile, like I've seen, like at

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Speaker 6: least four of my friends kind of have to go

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Speaker 6: back to the drawing board and you know, shut down

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Speaker 6: there Broadway plays and you know.

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Speaker 5: Oh sobar just speaking about things we create. January nineteenth

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Speaker 5: is the premiere of jam Van Starry, starring three fifths

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Speaker 5: of Quest Love Supreme Laiah as the Big Old Book

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Speaker 5: of Travel.

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Speaker 3: Get it first animation role Yep.

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Speaker 5: And Fonte wrote a song for Davie Diggs, which is

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Speaker 5: I believe episode three or four. But anyway, tune in

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Speaker 5: YouTube Originals YouTube Kids, January nineteenth, first two episodes. Shout

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Speaker 5: out to Quest Love Supreme. There you go.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we took care of business. Yeah we are, we

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Speaker 6: are talented. So, ladies and gentlemen, I will say that

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Speaker 6: as a media Wait a minute, yes, media personality, now, absolutely,

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Speaker 6: yeah you are. I'm a media personality. I'm not a

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Speaker 6: drummer anymore. Okay, I'll take that. So I will say

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Speaker 6: that as a media personality. I gotta think about that.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was from a generation which radio was boss.

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Speaker 6: Radio was the common denominator, even amongst our qols fam here.

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Speaker 6: I know that I've had We've talked about Whyia's history

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Speaker 6: as a radio personality in Philadelphia and other markets.

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Speaker 1: What were your other markets besides Philadelphia? Atlanta, DMV, the Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you've done every shift, you've done, You've done the

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Speaker 6: afternoon shifts. You've been midday mommies. You're you why it

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Speaker 1: Wait, what's a guy get like does a guy get

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Speaker 1: that title?

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Speaker 3: Like York? No?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, very few men mid days.

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Speaker 3: We got to talk about it's a reason too.

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Speaker 1: Oh I wouldn't. Yeah, this is going to be the

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Speaker 6: Steve and I like are bonding even of this this

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Speaker 6: very platform that we're on. Steve and I always talked

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Speaker 6: and fantasized about, like both he and I come from

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Speaker 6: a place where we used to have like as kids,

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Speaker 6: Steve to this day still has like collections of his

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Speaker 6: You still have like your fantasy radio shows when you

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Speaker 6: were like twelve, right, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have all that stuff. Plus I have an

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Speaker 4: actual radio show these days on WKCR. I totally forgot

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Speaker 4: that Steven Network actually had my own Sugar Network. Maybe

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Speaker 4: I've maybe heard we're turning five years old in February.

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Speaker 6: It's real, it's real. Yes, of course, Steve has his

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Speaker 6: own network Fonte and Bill. I don't know what you

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Speaker 6: point in your life you two also had the radio

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Speaker 6: fantasy of just I don't know Howard's tart is about

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Speaker 6: to hit me with that. Noah, I never did that,

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Speaker 6: do no, No, I did well.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do radio.

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Speaker 7: I did radio in my uh in college. I had

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Speaker 7: a had a rat Meadpool actually had a show on

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Speaker 7: audio Net, which is like our campus radio station, and

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Speaker 7: and so I would do it there. I would make

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Speaker 7: like tapes and stuff as a kid, and like act

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Speaker 7: And then I mean our first album WJLR, that was

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Speaker 1: That's right, even on your own records, you.

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Speaker 6: Had radio station multiple album I will basically say that

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Speaker 6: you know, no music lever I know could resist the

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Speaker 6: fantasy of playing radio station. And even to this day,

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Speaker 6: like I make mixtapes for friends, I make the slow Jamp. Actually,

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Speaker 6: our guest is also really responsible for like a game

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Speaker 6: changing innovation in radio, which is the quiet storem for

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Speaker 6: and powerful our guest is today when it comes to radio.

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Speaker 6: Simply put you know, between all the markets I've named

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Speaker 6: the cities Atlanta, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Richmond, the dm.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely if your fans of Ricky Smiley, Russ Parr, Reverend

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Speaker 1: Jakes, D L. Hughley, Erica Campbell like you can name

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Speaker 1: them all.

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Speaker 6: She's literally responsible one of the most powerful figures in communication.

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Speaker 6: Owner of Urban One formerly Radio one, TV one, Interactive one.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe we pulled this off. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: We have the one and only Kathy Hughes one quest

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme.

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Speaker 6: That's probably the longest introduction I've ever given them life.

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Speaker 2: I am so appreciative and it's so interesting. It's my

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Speaker 2: very first podcast ever. I don't know what my staff

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Speaker 1: Are they scared? Are they nervous?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, they've been trying to get me to do

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Speaker 2: a podcast, really have not. Yes, you're the first I've

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Speaker 2: the pretend radio stations. Mine was my bathroom and my

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Speaker 6: Like when I mentioned radio, what were your memories of it?

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Speaker 6: Who were you listening to as a kid?

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Speaker 2: I dropped the bike right. Omaha's African American community has

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Speaker 1: I will say it.

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Speaker 2: you didn't get played. And so that's that's been always

439
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: a priority with my programming.

440
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Because you're an owner, maybe you can explain this to me. Okay.

441
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 6: So when I got in the industry professionally, at least

442
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 6: with the roots, it was like ninety.

443
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: Three, And when our third album.

444
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 6: Came out in ninety six, ninety six, ninety seven, one

445
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 6: of our radio promotion guys at the label was trying

446
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 6: to explain to me, something new is happening at radio

447
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 6: that's going to make it harder for us to get

448
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 6: you guys on radio. And you know the thing that

449
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 6: they were saying, explaining to me was was basically that.

450
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 6: Whereas when we used to visit radio stations in ninety three,

451
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 6: ninety four, ninety five, personalities on the air had control

452
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 6: of what they played. So they were like they were

453
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 6: the taste makers. If hey, I know about this cool

454
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 6: group from Philadelphia, you guys should hear them, and they

455
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 6: played the record, Whereas now we were coming to radio

456
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 6: stations and things were like pre programmed almost weeks in

457
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 6: advance before you even get there.

458
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they consolidated. What they did was limit access to artists.

459
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: That's the reason you know we're a very unique corporation,

460
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 2: Because yeah, we're very unique corporation because my air personalities

461
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: still have control over their dott Simpson, I would never

462
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: in soul the Donnie Simpson by telling him what to play. Okay,

463
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: all right, If Donnie Simpson didn't know what to play,

464
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: then he shouldn't be on the radio, Okay. Nannie Simpson

465
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: controls his playlist, Russ Park controls his plist. Ricky Smiley.

466
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: Now we give them some assistance because with automation and things,

467
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: everything's got to be in the computer. Okay. But also

468
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: I have always believed that, and I think This was

469
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: my experience at Howard University when I was the general

470
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: manager of w h u R. I think that, you know,

471
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: some of the major corporations use it as an excuse

472
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: to avoid Paola that they said that, you know, if

473
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: you control the playlist corporately, then you eliminate the Okay. Well,

474
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 2: over the years, I have watched a lot of people

475
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: figure out how to get around okay, okay, the controlled playlist,

476
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 2: and the tragedy is that they limited, you know, like

477
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. When I realized how popular the music of

478
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: Atlanta was and how unique it was to Atlanta. Okay,

479
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: when I recognized Go Go as being like the national

480
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: anthem of Washington.

481
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 7: D C.

482
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: Baltimore House exactly, Baltimore, Yeah, exactly, I realized that this

483
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: isn't something that could be controlled corporately. That and the

484
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: other thing that bothered me very much is is I've

485
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: always had an open door policy. The artist can always

486
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: get to me, my staff can always get to me.

487
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: And when I was hearing that, you know, they won't

488
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: play me because I'm local, they won't play me because

489
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 2: I don't have representation. They won't play me for this

490
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: reason or that reason. You know, I felt an obligation

491
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: to try to be of assistance to individuals, particularly on

492
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: the local level. Now do we have a system now

493
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: in place, Yes, because in additionary now else what has

494
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: happened is technology. We're able to test the songs immediately

495
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: for you, okay. And I think that oftentimes we find

496
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: ourselves in opposition to what the label wants to release

497
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: as opposed to what our audience tells us they want

498
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: to hear. And so we still have a control system,

499
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: the quasi control system. But at the same time, my

500
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: air personalities have the flexibility because I paid them a

501
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 2: lot of money, and a lot of that money is

502
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: paid to them because of their knowledge and their experience

503
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: and their expertise. I want them to be aware of what,

504
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, the trends are in the clubs, if we're

505
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 2: if it's if you're on my hip hop format. I

506
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: want them to really help resurrect some of these classic

507
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: R and B X that we're not for us okay.

508
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: If we had not really conceptualized you know, adult can temporary,

509
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: all right, some of these artists would still be working

510
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: as sales clerks somewhere as opposed to performing. I have

511
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: always been being in business a lot more than just

512
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: making money for the business. I was taught. My family

513
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: has a mantra, which is that in order for you

514
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: to do well in your life, you must first do

515
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: good for other people. And I've always wanted to do

516
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: good because I can't tell you how many nights my mama,

517
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: as a professional musician, had to feed us scrambled eggs

518
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: for dinner because we couldn't afford because some promoter hadn't

519
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: paid her, or some gig hadn't worked. So I understood

520
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: how life was hard for artists. And my mama was

521
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: at top of the game, okay, and she still wasn't

522
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: making money all right, because she was playing swing. And

523
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: so I've always had this commitment with my format. The

524
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: other stations have a lot more resources. They're a lot

525
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: larger than us. You know, we're big or black owned media.

526
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: We're the biggest in black owned media, but compared to

527
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: you know what used to be Clear Channel, which started

528
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: the same year as Radio One, okay, with lowry mains.

529
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: But when you look look at these major corporations that

530
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: are now in the black space, even with their control

531
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: of the format, they still have some of the same

532
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: problems they had before they controlled it. But at the

533
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: same time, because of their size, they're still able to

534
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: have a relationship with the artists. I want to have

535
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: more than a relationship with an artist. I want to

536
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: be able to tell the story of the first time

537
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I played John Legend. His name was John Steve and okay,

538
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: all right, and he brought me ten cassette tapes that

539
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: he had produced himself with a magic marker, and when

540
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: he was selling them at ten dollars piece that I

541
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: went up to him and I said, young man, I'd

542
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: like to buy all ten and he said, oh no, ma'am.

543
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I can't suwm to you because I need

544
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: to try to get these disc jockeys to listen. I said, well,

545
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: I know this jockey say to be your kid and

546
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: tell me.

547
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Hard that's that's gas money to get to the next show.

548
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 6: And I'm sorry, I know this is the less I talk.

549
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: Because I'm paid. I will get a condition off of paid.

550
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: I represented him.

551
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: Now, finally the respect I deserve after all these years.

552
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, You're welcome.

553
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask because you mentioned moving to d C,

554
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: but I want you to talk about moving to d C.

555
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: I believe you said it was because of that opportunity

556
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: at hu are.

557
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: No, it was actually the opportunity to be on the

558
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: faculty in the first school of Communications.

559
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So talk about moving to DC and the difference

560
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: of culture and what you saw, and don't get a

561
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: twisted you must have fell in love because you've never left.

562
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that.

563
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: I grew up in an environment where they were only

564
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: white folks and black folks and Native Americans. I never

565
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: saw an Asian. I never saw anyone a Hispanic Latino.

566
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: I never saw a foreigner. Okay. Growing up in Omaha, Nebraska,

567
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: it was strictly black folks, white folks, and our Native

568
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: American brothers and sisters were on reservations. When I got

569
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: to DC, I saw black excellence. I used to write

570
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: back home and say that my eyes were tired, my

571
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: eyeballs were because I was just like an awe. I

572
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: was like a kid. I had never seen black doctors,

573
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: black lawyers, black everything. Howard University was like to me

574
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: going to heaven. I could not believe. Okay, I just

575
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: because I had never ever experienced this in my growing up.

576
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Because by the time I was in school, my mother's

577
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: band had the men had come back from the war,

578
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 2: so her all female band was never not no longer

579
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: in demand, and so my mama went and became a nurse.

580
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: So when I came to Howard, I was part of

581
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: the very first faculty that Tony Brown put together and

582
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: created the School of Communications around the radio station. They

583
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: had the radio station before.

584
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: They had so many to.

585
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: Tony Brown. Who has Tony Brown's journal still Brown, Yes.

586
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Shout out Tony Brown.

587
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: At the age of twelve, when I went to the

588
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 6: Democratic National committing Kansas City, gave me two tickets to

589
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: the Victory Tour because the Jackson's opened the Victory Tour

590
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 6: in Kansas City. Wow, just randomly gave me two And

591
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: those are hard tickets to get. I love Tony Brown

592
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 6: just for that. I forgot about Tony Brown.

593
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: That's empired me because the University of Nebraska did not

594
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: have a Black studies department because it's very conservative okay

595
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: in Nebraska. But we had a Black Studies committee and

596
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: I was the chairperson of the Black Studies Committee, and

597
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: we would bring Tony Brown to Omaha to speak all

598
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: of the time. So when doctor James Cheek offered him

599
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: the position of the first dean and asked him to

600
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: create the School of Communications. Tony said, would you like

601
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: to come and be part of our faculty? And at

602
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: that time, again I was elated. Quincy Jones was on

603
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: the faculty stand Latham was on the faculty. Velvet Van

604
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: People's was on the faculty. Oh, yes, we had a

605
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: faculty then.

606
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: Okay, oh I'm Christmas parties.

607
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I mean. It was unbelievable. And my first

608
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: assignment was a communications conference. And at that communications conference,

609
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: nobody could attend the Communications Conference conference from Corporate America

610
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: and the entertainment industry unless you had guaranteed in writing

611
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: to Tony Brown and myself that you would hire at

612
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: least two students. We have students from all the HBCUs

613
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: come and that very first year, that very first conference,

614
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy two students of color got jobs

615
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: in the industry because of Tony Brown. Tony Brown said,

616
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: we don't need for you all to come to window

617
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: dress if you're going to come and meet with these

618
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: students from around the country. So that was our first

619
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: kickoff to the School of Communications at Howard.

620
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: Which the school which is now named the Kathy Hughes

621
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: school Latin.

622
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 6: Do you have a listing of like just some of

623
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 6: the who's who of personalities that have sort of just

624
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 6: come through your.

625
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me. It's amazing to me as you age,

626
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: because you know your life and I still work, so

627
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: it keeps, you know, it keeps, you know, going on.

628
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: But no, it's not a who's who's list. And it's

629
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: so amazing to me when the people come up to

630
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: me and tell me stories about you know, you gave

631
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: me my first opportunity, or you played my record. Okay,

632
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: you did this, Okay, are you open this door? You

633
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: you know you booked me. The first time I booked

634
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: Earth Winning Fire, I had a total of twenty people

635
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: in the Crampton Auditorium and I went and stood on

636
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: the corner of Georgia Avenue at the entrance to Howard

637
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: and bade people to come in. And Jessica Clees was

638
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: the lead singer, not Philip Bailey. Okay, I remember.

639
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: All right.

640
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: And when I see Verdean Verde, he was there, you know.

641
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: He said to me, says to me all the time,

642
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: this is the lady who got us started, because she

643
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: went out there on the corner and bagged people to

644
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: come in. And when I tell people that the lead

645
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: singer for earth Winding Fire was Jessica Cleves, they're like,

646
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: what okay, No, okay, you know this okay? And like

647
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: I said, I had twenty people, but Jim Brown, Okay.

648
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: Jim Brown was involved with Jessica Cleves and he had

649
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: put money, he had given more recite money to start

650
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: this group called earth Winding Fire. All right, and my

651
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: uncle were very good friends in Los Angeles, and so

652
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: my uncle had hooked him up with me, and so

653
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: he had brought me this group called earth Winding Fire. Okay,

654
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: So I went on the We went on the radio

655
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: and told people to come. Nobody had heard him. Nobody came,

656
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: and so I think before the evening was over, I

657
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: might have gotten forty people in there to hear the

658
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: mat Crampton Auditorium. Car Vitorium is a fifteen seat hundred

659
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: seat venue.

660
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: Right, everyone gets this start. So were was there an

661
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: act that was a hard sell?

662
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: You know?

663
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 6: Did you get an awkward prince back in like nineteen

664
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: seventy eight when he wasn't ready yet?

665
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: Like listen, I can't tell you how many battles I

666
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: fought for Prince because I discovered Prince when he was

667
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: like thirteen or fourteen years old, and people thought he

668
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: was outscene was the word that they used to describe,

669
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, this boy's a musical genius.

670
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: This kid is unbelievable. He pays every instrument there is.

671
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: What are you talking about outseeing?

672
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

673
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: His lyrics. Remember, music and fashion have gone through periods

674
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: where there was serious censorship and okay, and certain things

675
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: weren't allowed, and you know, lyrics had to become a

676
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: camouflage like plus the Magic Dragon was about weed. Okay, okay,

677
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: you know you had to camouflage, you had to have

678
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, the double meaning. But so many but I

679
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: guess that probably the John Stephens story is the biggest

680
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: in terms because his accomplishments and still he's he's still young, okay, Okay.

681
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: Nobody knows where he will end up because he's been

682
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: like a rocket ship with so many various groups over

683
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: the years. But one of the things that I've been

684
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: proud is of, quite frankly, was the assistance that we

685
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: did provide for the do wop groups and for the

686
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: oldies but goodies as they call them, because so many

687
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: of these individuals were starving, okay, all right, I mean

688
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: they loved the art, they loved the music, but they

689
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: couldn't work any longer, and disco just killed so many

690
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: of them off. And it was not until we during

691
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: that same era, came up with this concept of you know,

692
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: basically oldies, but we you know, put more sophisticated titles

693
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: to it, dealt contemporary.

694
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 6: Okay, so you help us sure in like the nostalgia

695
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 6: era or.

696
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: The urban ac category. I mean I think she's saying

697
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: that they created the urban acn category.

698
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: No question, okay, and it was to really provide platforms

699
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: we have this had this event for years until it

700
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: became too big, quite frankly for us to handle. I

701
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: admired the fact that Philadelphia still is able to do.

702
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: There's called the Stone Soul Picnic. And the Stone Soul

703
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: Picnic was only these old groups that you know, the

704
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: Ohio players, okay, all these groups that had been dormant. Okay.

705
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Nobody was buying them, nobody was sampling them, okay, nobody

706
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: was recognizing them for their their brilliance, and uh, we

707
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: started resurrecting them, okay. And I kind of stumbled into

708
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: it after I had created the Quiet Storm because the

709
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: Quiet Storm was love music. Love was bad ballots, and

710
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: I had to really reach back, all right to eras

711
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: where lyrics told stories.

712
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: You gotta tell that story. You need to tell the

713
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: Quiet Storm story.

714
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: Where's the name from?

715
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 6: Explain to us who Melvin Lindsay was and how you

716
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 6: guys invented. You guys basically helped triple the population.

717
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Let me tell you that. The reason, the main reason

718
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: I want to write my book is because when W. H. U. R.

719
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: Celebrated his anniversary, there were several inaccurate accountings of the

720
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: Quiet Storm. Number One, Melvin Lindsay was not the originator.

721
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Melvin Lindsay was my third whoa not my first? He

722
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: was my third, okay? Whoa all right? Schools was a

723
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: kid named Don Roberts who broke my heart because he

724
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: was the most talented of my first three. But he

725
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: was good looking, and he said to me, I got

726
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: a for television missus Lincoln's okay, because I wasn't even

727
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: married to do even he said, I don't want to

728
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: be in at a radio studio where no one could

729
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: see me. Sure not went on to be a big

730
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: time anchor in Baltimore. Maryland, Okay, Don Robert my first.

731
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: My second was a young man named Jack Schuler. Jack

732
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Schuler was Melvin Lindsey's best friend. Melvin Lindsey was my

733
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: intern that I paid out of my pocket. He picked

734
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: my son up from school. He came because Howard said

735
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: that they didn't have a budget for interns and I

736
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: needed some of the students to actually be in a

737
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: position to earn some money. So Jack Schuler was vomiting

738
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: literally after each show or doing the show. He was

739
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: so nervous, he was trembling. He said, please don't make

740
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: me do this. No more, Miss liggoans. Please please Melvin

741
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: to do it, Melvin to do it. So Melvin told

742
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: me he would do the Quiet Storm if I didn't

743
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: make him up. Open the microphone, so if there were

744
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: any early tapes that looking for it, yeah, he would

745
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: say good evening and welcome to the Quiet Storm. The

746
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: next time you would hear Melvin Lindsay's voice, he would say,

747
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: thank you for listening to the Quiet Storm. I'm Melvin Lindsay.

748
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: There was nothing in between from Melvine except the music.

749
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: Great taste in music. It was my private music collection

750
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: and I started it out on Saturday night and then

751
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and then I decided that it was the

752
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: conception of the Quiet Storm was for a senior to

753
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: be chosen by the faculty, two seniors, in fact, one

754
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: for each semester, to give them a commercial experience on

755
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: their resume. Okay. It was never for one person to

756
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: host the show. It was never supported. It was supposed

757
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: to be a rotation opportunity. The closest I came to

758
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: it was Milton Allen, who was married to Pat Prescott

759
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: in La Sheila Eldritch and Franklin. Those were my three, Okay,

760
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: students that I was able to rotate. Okay, nobody else rotated. Okay.

761
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: People came and got stuck, including Melbourne. Well, Melvin did

762
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: so good that kys Kiss told him that they would

763
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: give him an opportunity if he would come and be

764
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: on the air at Kiss. So Melvin walks into my office.

765
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Now this is like I told you, he said, Jim Tern,

766
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: I have literally supported him. Okay. His parents would say

767
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: to him, well, you need to ask miss Liggans first

768
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: before you do so. And so I had picked his

769
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: classes for him, the whole nine yards. He tells me

770
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: on a Friday that he's got an offer, and he's

771
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: going to work at Kiss and I'm thinking he's somebody

772
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: after graduation and all this, And I said, when he

773
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: said Monday, I was so irate. I told him to

774
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: get out of my office. Hey, yes, So Dewey Hughes,

775
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: who at that time had fourteen Emmys for his productions

776
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: at the rcity NBC fourteen mm's okay, he created youth News,

777
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: he created music videos as quiet as Kep. Anyway, Dewey

778
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: comes to my office and he tells me that it's

779
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: a setup, that NBC just wanted Melvin off the air,

780
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: and that they had him in the mill room and

781
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: would I please bring him back? And I said bring

782
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: him back, and he said, let me take you to

783
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: dinner and talk to you about this. Well ultimately doing,

784
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: and I got married, and Melvin came back. Okay, And

785
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: years later okay there and years later I never well forget.

786
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: We were at this big affair and Melvin was being

787
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: honored and I was in the audience with Dewey and

788
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Melvin didn't acknowledge the thing that was even in the audience,

789
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: and Dewey had torn his achilles, attended to play a

790
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: basketball he was on crutches. He went up to the

791
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: head table ones he grabbed Melvin Lindsay around the neck

792
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: and he said, I'm married because of you, Okay, and

793
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: then we went back to the microphone. Well, I'm so sorry.

794
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: I didn't know she was here. He grabbed him right

795
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: in front of the whole room. It was hilarious because

796
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: that's how Juey and I ended up getting married. The

797
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: reason my name is Kathy Hughes.

798
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 6: How did you get Melvin out of his shyness? Because

799
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 6: I didn't know Melvin Lindsay as a radio personality. I

800
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 6: knew him as when we first got cable. I knew

801
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 6: Melvin Lindsay as a news personality. So he was like

802
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 6: Brian gumbel Is and I'm like, wait a minute, you

803
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 6: were a quiet storm.

804
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: Guy in so sexy and I was still young to

805
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: even know it.

806
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: So oh yes, I was like, so how did you?

807
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: And did the song come upo the show?

808
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: I cannot take full credit for getting him out of

809
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: his shell. Number one Meloyn was introduced to the gay

810
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: lifestyle by I also had the distinction of hiring the

811
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: first openly gay air personality, Robin Holden Washington d C.

812
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: Robin Colden. I had to talk in code back in

813
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: those days. She said, the children will be meeting this

814
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: Friday night and so and so she was talking code

815
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: and Howard University was but my rear end, Okay, are

816
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: you out of your mind?

817
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Conservative?

818
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: Okay, executive, conservative, homophobic, all of that, okay, and UH

819
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm getting all these rave reviews

820
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: from the UH because d C, as quiet as it's kept, okay,

821
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: is a big gay and lesbian city, all right, okay,

822
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: all right, okay for many many decades and so okay.

823
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: So Robin was and Robin was an incredible air personality,

824
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: incredible air personality, all right. And she helped Melvin come

825
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: out of his shell because I think that she made

826
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: him comfortable with his sexuality. She made him feel that

827
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: it was okay because Melvin was very closeted at that time,

828
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: which contributed to his Okay, he was engaged. I bought

829
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: the engagement ring for a young lady, and she left

830
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: him because she recognized that he wasn't comfortable with her.

831
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 2: But during those times when Melvin was quiet and withdrawn

832
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: and went to open the microphone, his show was almost

833
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: like a black musac. And so it grew in popularity.

834
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: We didn't have any commercials because it was a student shift, okay,

835
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: so they popular. We became number one in a matter

836
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: of like eighteen months. We went from no listeners to

837
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: being number one in the market because Melvin wouldn't open

838
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: the mic and I had no commercials, So it was

839
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: NonStop love music. Wow Okay, okay, okay music the theme

840
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: of Philly International. There's a message in our music, okay.

841
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: We believed in that, and the message was one of

842
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: love and affection and attention. And so Melvin blossomed and

843
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: went on to become an incredible personality, incredible, He grew

844
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: into himself, he got comfortable with himself. Deanna Williams was

845
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: very much a part of his growth and development, okay,

846
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: because he realized that he could be loved regardless of, okay,

847
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: his sexuality, his sexual preference had no bearing on his talent.

848
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: And he really really really blossomed and became this incredible,

849
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: incredible television and radio personality and died too soon, too early,

850
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: and so age took him away way too soon.

851
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 3: He was he was our first, right like I felt

852
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: like he was our first major was.

853
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: It just it just hurts me to my heart to

854
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: think what he could have been, what he could have

855
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: done had he not been discriminated against, had he not

856
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: been unable to be who he really was, because talent

857
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: personality galore. And once it started coming out, it was

858
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: only out for a short period of time, and then

859
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: he was gone.

860
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: He still needs to be in the Radio Hall of

861
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: Fame somewhere.

862
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely deserved it. He became my most popular, but

863
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: the most popular of all the hosts of the kliss

864
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: Starm was Von Harper in New York. Von Harper, let's.

865
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Talk about the franchising, the franchising of the Quiet Storm. Then, yeah,

866
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

867
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: Howard wouldn't let me franchise it. They wouldn't let me

868
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: license it. And at one time it was on there

869
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: were stations that actually called themselves the Quiet Storm station.

870
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: Howard could have supported not just the School of Communications,

871
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: they could have supported the entire school off just licensing.

872
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: Yes, that sounds like what the tek.

873
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: The reason I left Howard University was I realized that

874
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 2: they had taken a billion dollar baby that God had

875
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: given me, you know, uh, the motherhood of Okay that

876
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: I had birthed a billion dollar baby for Howard University,

877
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: and they had thrown the baby the bath water and

878
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: me out of window. And so I resigned because I

879
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: resigned telling Doctor Cheek that I did not want to

880
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: miss the next billion dollar baby they I might impregnate

881
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: me with. I would not allow anyone else to be

882
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: in charge of my destiny. And that's what Radio One became.

883
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 2: They became that. Okay, that that baby that God once

884
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: again blessed me with. Because before Howard they persecuted me.

885
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: They punished me for the quiet Storm.

886
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: Really why terribly.

887
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: I was very very very provocative in my ye my

888
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: days at Howard University. I stood up for the students.

889
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: I you know, opened doors and it wasn't Howard's fault, HBCUs.

890
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 2: Only you know, recently realized that education is a business.

891
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: You have to make money at it, okay. And all

892
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: this to be announced, books, not being in classrooms, not

893
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: being a signed, having to stand in line for hours

894
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: to register, Okay, all of that, that's that's part of

895
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: the expert.

896
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

897
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: Howard was very good to me. Howard sent me to

898
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: Harvard University for six weeks to learn broadcast management because

899
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: when they told me they wanted to put me in

900
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: the job as general manager first as sales manager. I said,

901
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it, and they said, well,

902
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: you know, you know some of the basics. And they

903
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: paid my tuition to the business school at that time

904
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: they had a six week course called Broadcast Management.

905
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

906
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: And then they paid my way for a two week

907
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: course at the University of Chicago called Psychographic Programming. That's

908
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: when I came back and created the Quiet Storm. So

909
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: both times, so you know, they say that, you know,

910
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: I was their best student that never matriculated at Howard University,

911
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: but Howard invested in me quite seriously. I would not be,

912
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: you know, professionally who I am or what I do

913
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: now were it not for university. And so it was

914
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: easy for me. When I found out that the School

915
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: of Communications was on you know, in a danger of

916
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: not losing its accreditation and perhaps having to close that,

917
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, that cannot happen. I can't

918
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: allow that to happen because they produced me. Okay, even

919
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: though I was never a student. Okay, Howard University produced

920
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: who I am professionally. You know. I think that that

921
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: over the years that some of the things that I

922
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: wanted for the students and for the university have come

923
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: to fruition, and for that I'm eternally grateful.

924
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 6: I always wanted to know, Like, Okay, in my mind,

925
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 6: to just establish one radio station seems like a task,

926
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 6: But I mean, you had or have over fifty of

927
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 6: these radio stations. So I guess my two part question

928
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 6: is One, how taxing is it to have eyes? Because

929
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 6: I mean, you seem like a personable figure in terms

930
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: of you probably know what works. You know your Atlanta staff, like,

931
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 6: you probably know your Dallas staff the probably the way

932
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 6: that you know your Chicago people versus your Philly Like

933
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 6: I'm certain that you have to have some sort of

934
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 6: personal relationships with all of these conglomerates.

935
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: One, why do you care? Two? How taxing is it

936
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: to run an empire?

937
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: It's a long way you get the empire.

938
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 6: Okay, you're saying that it's a long way from an empire.

939
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you do this mom Fries talk. But

940
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that, Okay, whoever is like above you, like,

941
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 6: what do you what are you comparing yourself to?

942
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: Is?

943
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 6: For me, it's not It's not quantity more than it's

944
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 6: the quality.

945
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: We do it differently. We do it differently. But let

946
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: me say to you, Yeah, behind my back, they call

947
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: me dig Mama because I have some interesting rules, like

948
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: you can attest.

949
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: To tell us stories, drop in.

950
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: That's what I'll say. She knows, she knows that every

951
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: station when they get word that miss h might be

952
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: coming to town, there's a clean.

953
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: Up mama coming home.

954
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: There are just certain rules that I live by. One

955
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: is that many many years ago, I had an opportunity

956
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: to work for Inner City Broadcasting. I put their station

957
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: on the air UH in Detroit. It was LBS. Okay,

958
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: it was you know, BLS reconfigured, and there was an

959
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: with an individual who called a member of the staff

960
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: a dumb bitch to her face, and I heard it

961
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: and I quit. There are just certain things that I

962
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: just will not tolerate. One of them is any of

963
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: my employees being cursed at, because to me, it defeats

964
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: the ability to get the best out of them. When

965
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: somebody is cursed at, particularly by a superior, they're sitting down, Okay,

966
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: you're not going to get whatever caused you to curse

967
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: them out, you know, curse at them or call them

968
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: out of their name, you've defeated the purpose. And so

969
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: as much as I cursed at home, I don't allow

970
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: it in my facilities. Okay, there's certain other things I

971
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: didn't don't allow. Speaking of b LS, one day I

972
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: was going to surprise Wendy Williams, who started with me.

973
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 2: Wendy Williams is one individuals had her very first job

974
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: with me, and she was interviewing a snoop and I

975
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: could smell the weed on the first floor before I

976
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: got on the elevator going up. Okay, I knew snoop

977
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: was on the air. Okay, and it's funny, he said.

978
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: Wendy Williams said, oh, I just got word that Miss

979
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: Hughes is coming out in the building. And this snoop said, oh,

980
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: I got to put this joint out because she don't

981
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: allow no smoking up her facilities. Okay, all right, And

982
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: so when he said, well, this is not her facility,

983
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: this is Inner City, he said, is miss Hughes is here?

984
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: I got to put it out, Okay, because the FCC

985
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 2: those few black owners. I was not going to allow

986
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: my staff to shoot themselves and deprive themselves of an

987
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: opportunity by getting me and them in trouble with the FCC,

988
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: so certain things I just prohibited. It kind of gave

989
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: me the reputation of being big mama. And okay, I

990
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: believe in hugging. I believe that if I know you

991
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: on medication, I'm an HR nightmare. Okay, my HR apartment. Okay,

992
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm an HR nightmare. Because if I know that you're

993
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: on meds and back to peculiar you're up in the station,

994
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm will pull you aside and ask you did you

995
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: forget to take your meds that morning? Because I don't

996
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: want you to blow your career. I don't want you

997
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: abusing the people who may work for you. I don't

998
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: want to say three okay, all right, to know that

999
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: you okay, it's important for me to know that. Okay,

1000
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't like how long you've been depressed. Now, okay,

1001
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: I won't think that you need to talk to somebody.

1002
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna recommend a good counselor, and then I'm

1003
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: gonna check and see did you follow up and call

1004
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: this person where I gave you a gift certificate. I

1005
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: was forever giving out gift certificates to go talk to somebody.

1006
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 3: Okay, it's literally like working for your auntie.

1007
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 6: Okay, So for you, of course, I would think that

1008
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 6: having good numbers is good news as far as like

1009
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 6: the ratings and whatnot. I can also imagine for you

1010
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 6: it is. It could be concerning when you hire personalities

1011
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 6: that sort of grow in stature.

1012
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: So how do you.

1013
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 6: Immediately not prepare, but how do you handle when you

1014
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 6: have a media personality that works for one of your

1015
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 6: stations that seems to be growing and growing.

1016
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: And you might like if they decide to go rogue?

1017
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 6: I mean I never knew, like how like, was Wendy

1018
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 6: just allowed to do whatever she wanted to do carte blanche?

1019
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 6: Or was it always like she just operated and was like,

1020
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 6: let me suffer the consequences later if I if I start,

1021
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 6: you know, burning bridges of the artists that I talk about,

1022
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 6: but she still gets the numbers, Like, how do you handle, like,

1023
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 6: is it a nightmare when your artists, when your personalities

1024
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 6: get bigger than you planned on them for being at

1025
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 6: least effective for the radio station?

1026
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: I hope, I asked that question would.

1027
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: Be as big as they can possibly be. But most important, well,

1028
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: wasn't that bad.

1029
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: Business for you?

1030
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 6: Because when it comes to renegotiating the contract, or you know,

1031
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 6: someone tries to poach them and take them away. Hey, Oprah, Whenfrey,

1032
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 6: we heard you doing weather on this thing? How would

1033
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 6: you like your own show?

1034
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: Like?

1035
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: How do you handle that situation?

1036
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: Listen? One of my very favorite personalities of all time

1037
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: a brother named Jerry Bledsoe. Jerry Bledsoe worked for me

1038
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: both at Radio one and at w h u R,

1039
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: but when he got an opportunity to double his salary,

1040
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 2: I helped negotiate that contract for him. You can't get

1041
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: too big in my book, the bigger to me, rising

1042
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: water lifts all both. Okay, I want you to get big.

1043
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: I also want you to maintain respect. Okay. Respect is

1044
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: very important to me. And the Wendy's biopic was so inaccurate.

1045
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: She accused Dianna Williams of firing her. Deanna wasn't even there, okay,

1046
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: so Dianna could not have done what Wendy said. I've

1047
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: never smoked in any of my facilities. And I used

1048
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: to smoke cigarettes packa day, girl, you know, but I've

1049
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: never smoked in any of my facilities because most facilities,

1050
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: because you know, it's radio, it's it's you know, confined

1051
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: and they stink after they smoke. Okay, the smoke gets

1052
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: in there. So I never spoke. Yeah, And so you know,

1053
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: the true Wendy's story was that I knew that Wendy

1054
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 2: had a problem because one evening I had to pay

1055
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: she was being held hostage by her dealer and I

1056
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: had to pay to get her release to come to work.

1057
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: And I was very concerned, well being she was young.

1058
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: That was her first big market, you know, radio job,

1059
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: and she passed out on the air. The reason Wyndy

1060
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: and I party company is she literally passed out on

1061
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: the air, and the record back in those days, we

1062
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: were paying you know, LPs. It was skipping and I

1063
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: only lived like three four minutes from the station, and

1064
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: I ran in there and she was literally passed out,

1065
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: and we got her you know, medical care, the rescue

1066
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: squad came and everything, and we then you know, helped

1067
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: her move on to a different position and you know,

1068
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: a different market. She came back to work for me

1069
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: many years later. Then, even after her biopic, she requested

1070
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: that we'd be a second window on her television show.

1071
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: So we're running her television show on CLEOTV. My second

1072
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: network was Yeah, exactly. So Wendy's issue was not her

1073
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: getting too big. Wendy's issue was the demon that she

1074
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: couldn't overcome, couldn't fight, that she couldn't win, win against.

1075
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: And so many of us have, you know, talent, but

1076
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: we also have a self destructive entity to our personality. Okay,

1077
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: And that's okay, that's what Wendy had, you know. I mean,

1078
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: Tom Joyner at one time was the biggest their personality.

1079
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: The only person bigger than him was Howard Stern, and

1080
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: that was because Howard Stern was on white stations and

1081
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: there were a lot more white stations. Tom Joyner was

1082
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: on one hundred and twenty seven radio stations, of which

1083
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Speaker 2: he was number one in eighty plus of votes. Oh okay, okay,

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01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: never an issue. Never once wanted care him not to

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: continue to grow. Ricky Smiley now is I'm delighting and

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: how he's growing. Donnie Simpson came back, okay, to radio

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: to work for us, so it's not an issue of them.

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, contract negotiations always are tough. But when you

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01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: run your company the way we run ours, which is

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: very family oriented, even with HR and all of the rest,

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Speaker 2: then we don't have the same type of contract negotiations

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Speaker 2: that you would have perhaps at an iHeart or someplace else. Okay,

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: because we're quite transparent with our people. This is how

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01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: much money we make off your show, this is what

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: your ratings look like, and this is how much we

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: can afford to pay you. Okay. I probably have againness

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: world book record of people who have worked for me,

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01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: who have gotten fired, who have quit, who have come

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Speaker 2: back more times. Okay, one of them on this call, right,

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Speaker 2: you raised, all right, come back many many, many times,

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Speaker 2: and some.

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Speaker 1: Of them you know, many times.

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Speaker 2: But but I just happen to think that we all

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: grow and we changed with life an age and experiences,

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Speaker 2: and I think just because we might have messed up

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01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: at one time, you know, I was hopeful that Wendy

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: would be able to make a comeback, but I, you know,

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: have been kind of doubtful now that that will happen

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: because I think that her health is not being as

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Speaker 2: responsible as she would need it to be for, you know,

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Speaker 2: have a comeback. And Sherry is doing so good on

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Speaker 2: that show, you know, and he comes, you know, off

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Speaker 2: our network. She was on with Tom Joiner for all

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Speaker 2: these years.

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Speaker 3: Underwell was a black Republican on Tom Jordan's show. First

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Speaker 3: she was just did a feature.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, whoa.

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Speaker 2: And so the only one that I really had an

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Speaker 2: issue with. And now he's back. He's on my Atlanta station,

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvey and talking about Okay, Steve and I party.

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 2: It was the best thing that ever happened to Steve,

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: and asked him to become the great LA. People know

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Speaker 2: who Steve Harvey is because of my company. He did

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: my morning show at the Beat in Los Angeles. Okay,

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: that was his first major gig, and Steve wanted to

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01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: do things his way and that didn't work for me.

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01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: So I sent a shock waves through the company the

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Speaker 2: morning and I used to tell Steve quite honestly, I said, listen,

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: I did Morning Drive for eleven years.

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting to talk about it.

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: Okay, please do not tip me to replace you with myself,

1132
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 2: because I want to be on the radio in La. Okay, Steve.

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Speaker 2: I think I was serious until that morning when he

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: and I party company and I said in his chair, okay,

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: and yeah, what were the things he wanted to do

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: that I guess didn't jail with you.

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Speaker 7: You say you want to do it his way? What

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01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 7: ideas that he'd had that just didn't work for what

1139
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 7: you want to do, or things that just may not

1140
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 7: work for radio period.

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: You know, Steve is very talented, but very dogmatic in

1142
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: his approach to how he wants to do things and

1143
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: get things done. You know, I don't want to go

1144
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: into specific Yeah, but but how.

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Speaker 3: Did y'all come back together? Then?

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: With all of that time, we came back together almost

1147
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 2: immediately because it was the best thing that ever could

1148
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: have happened to him, And I told him that. Let

1149
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 2: me just say to you, you know, I've been married,

1150
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: and I've been in some serious long term relationships, and

1151
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm friends with all of my exes because to me,

1152
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: just because a person is your ex whether it's professionally

1153
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 2: or personally, you shouldn't be bad mouthing that makes you

1154
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: look like you ain't got good sense, makes you look

1155
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: like you don't have good.

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Speaker 5: Yes, let's talk about it, miss Hughes.

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm the same way professionally, all right, just because

1158
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: it didn't work out, I'm not going to bad mouth

1159
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: for you. I'm not going to stop you from getting

1160
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: other opportunities. I'm not going to stand in your way, Okay,

1161
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: because it makes me look like I didn't know what

1162
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: I was doing when I hired you. Okay, all right,

1163
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: same thing with exes. I give this lecture to young

1164
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: women all the time. It is crazy for you to

1165
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: be bad mouthing your baby daddy. Okay, you got prankti

1166
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: by him, You shut enough of him, okay to have

1167
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: a baby with him, and now he is low live dog.

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: People basically don't change, So okay, then that's why he

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: was when you decide you will let him get you pregnant.

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01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: So that doesn't reflect very favorably on you. I feel

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Speaker 2: the same way personally.

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Speaker 5: Hey, wait, hold on, this year is philosophically speaking. If

1173
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Speaker 5: people don't change, how do you give them second and

1174
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 5: third chances? How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Their basic personalities don't change. People do change. You learn, you.

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Speaker 5: Learn, Your understanding of them changes.

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01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're understanding of them changes, and they do change

1178
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: in terms of how they operate. Okay, all right. We

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: haven't had any of the issues with Steve being on

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: our stage at stations in a syndicated capacity that we

1181
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: had was working for me directly, and I mean right

1182
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: after Steve came. La La Lala was my midday air

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 2: personality at the feat while.

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Speaker 1: I was a midday mommy too with Chris.

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Speaker 3: I'm a loving poon daddy. Remember in Atlanta, that's where

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Speaker 3: she started.

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Speaker 6: I knew Lala when she was an MTV personality.

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Speaker 2: Wait, we're the one who got her that job. The

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Speaker 2: woman who was the program director at MTV was Mary

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Speaker 2: Catherine Mary Mary Catherine Sneed, who was in charge of

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Speaker 2: programming for all my radio stations. As she said, listen,

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: there's a great opportunity. I think Lala would be perfect

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: for Okay, And we negotiated that contract for La La.

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: And again it kind of hurts my feelings because Lala

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: talked about I started off in radio. I was like,

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Speaker 2: could you call her company's name? It would help us.

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: We're a small black company.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Any Okay, that's what I'm so grateful to you having

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: me on this. Please. You've had all okay, the kings

1201
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 2: and queens of celebrity, don't okay, And for you to

1202
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: allow me to come on as such an honor. I'm

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 2: so grateful to all of you, all.

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Speaker 3: Fabric of America. What are you saying? You're a part

1205
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 3: of the fabric? You are all our lives, Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 3: It's like eah, and that's where we will end Part

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Speaker 3: one of the Questlove Supreme interview with Kathy Hughes, the

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Speaker 3: first black woman to head a media company publicly traded

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 3: on the US Stock Exchange. You may know those companies

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: as TV one and Radio one, which come together as

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Speaker 3: Urban One. Missus Hughes has been in my life since

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Speaker 3: the beginning, so I am truly honored to have her

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Speaker 3: on her first ever podcast interview with Team Supreme. Yes,

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Speaker 3: stay tuned for Part two, where Kathy speaks about her

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Speaker 3: commitment to portray black excellence on television, stories on some

1216
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: of her famed hosts, and the role of radio in

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: the Black community today. As a QLs tradition, we will

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Speaker 3: continue to celebrate Women's History Month with some of the

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Speaker 3: strongest female voices and that's definitely Kathy Hughes. Don't forget

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Speaker 3: to check out Part two coming soon.

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Speaker 1: Must Love Supreme is the production of iHeart Radio.

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