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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Channeler Room, joined by Tyler Stafford, and in eight

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Speaker 1: days I will be forty thousand feet in the air

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Speaker 1: on the way to West Palm Beach, where an absurd

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Speaker 1: number of pitchers and catchers will report to West Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach for Astros spring training and to start the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six season. If there's been any theme of this winter,

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Speaker 1: which is not done yet, but if there's been any

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Speaker 1: theme of the majority of this winter, it has been

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Speaker 1: stockpiling pitching. And the Astros continued that on when did

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Speaker 1: we last record a pod? Because it was that night

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Speaker 1: that we were recording the podcast and I started getting

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Speaker 1: Thursday Friday, Yeah, I think it was. I think it

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Speaker 1: was Thursday. Yeah. If you go back and watch that

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Speaker 1: Thursday pod that Josh, Tyler and I did, there's like

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Speaker 1: the final ten minutes where I say like six words

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like they make fun of me, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm in the background, like texting on my computer and

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on. Because I had

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Speaker 1: gotten a little bit of a heads up during the

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Speaker 1: podcast that the Astros were in deep discussions about making

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Speaker 1: a trade. We ended the podcast, I posted it, and

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Speaker 1: then the trade was done. The Astros acquired Kaiwai Tang

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Speaker 1: from the New York Giants, the New York Giants from.

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Speaker 2: The San Francisco Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: From the San Francisco Baseball Giants. They acquired Tang from

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants in exchange for catching prospect Jancellvilla

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Speaker 1: Real who It's amazing, Tyler Howe. Everyone has heard of

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Speaker 1: all these prospects that I've never heard of, because anytime

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Speaker 1: they give up like an A ball kid or a

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Speaker 1: double A ball kid, it's the end of the world, Like,

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Speaker 1: why would you give up this twenty three year old

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Speaker 2: But people get mad online at jancel culture, So that's

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Speaker 2: that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Nevertheless, the Astros added some more depth with Kaiwai Tang,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of insight as to why they did

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Speaker 1: this first and foremost, and I think we talked about

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Speaker 1: this a lot on the last pot about how much

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Speaker 1: options matter, about how much having minor league options matter.

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Speaker 1: Kaiwai Tang does have minor league options, so the Ashers

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Speaker 1: will be able to shuttle him back and forth between

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Speaker 1: sugar Land and between the big leagues. They are going

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Speaker 1: to bring him to camp as a starter. Like think

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Speaker 1: of this, think of him in the Nate Pearson category.

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Speaker 1: Is probably ticketed for relief, is probably ticketed for a

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Speaker 1: role in the Astros bullpen. But we'll be given the

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Speaker 1: chance to start in spring training, will be stretched out.

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Speaker 1: He's made twelve big league appearances, all with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Seven of them were starts, so he is in his

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Speaker 1: big league his brief big league career. He does have

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Speaker 1: a starter's pedigree. But the Astros, as you know, as

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Speaker 1: we all know, have a lot of starters, have a

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Speaker 1: lot of pieces to choose from. This was something done

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Speaker 1: a to make a more functional roster they needed they needed,

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Speaker 1: especially from the right side, right handed relief options, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: We did the projected opening day bullpen on the last one,

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Speaker 1: and the four right handed relief options that we had

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Speaker 1: in there were Nate Pearson, Roderi Muno's, Brian Abray, you

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Speaker 1: and Nyel Della Santos. None of those guys have options

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Speaker 1: left Rottery Munos. If he's not on the roster, he

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Speaker 1: has to be offered back to the Reds as a rule,

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Speaker 1: five pick and the other three guys have no options left,

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Speaker 1: so they were pretty inflexible, especially with right handed relief.

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Speaker 1: So this helps that, it addresses it addresses that problem

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Speaker 1: with maybe how they will construct their roster going forward.

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Speaker 1: But I think also it just it just underscores how

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Speaker 1: competitive in eight days this is going to start in

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Speaker 1: day roster. You've probably got about at least seven or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that, but if you'll one of

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Speaker 2: the issues with running a six man rotation, which the

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Speaker 2: Astros are going to start the season doing, is that

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Speaker 2: the next time that something matters. And for all of

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Speaker 2: want to keep him stretched out as a starter and

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Speaker 2: what the Astros also need is two or three long

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Speaker 2: games where you just got to have a guy get

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Speaker 2: go back down and this provides him another option to

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Speaker 2: do that. Again, you're not making this trade with the

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Speaker 2: playoffs in mind. This is we got to get through

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty two game season. We have a

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Speaker 2: lot of question marks at the back end of our rotation,

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Speaker 2: and you know that in the first month there are

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Speaker 2: gonna have to blow up your bullpen. And so it's

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Speaker 2: good to have a guy like this in the bullpen

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Speaker 2: that you can use and then shuttle back and forth

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Speaker 2: without there being any you know, complications to their development

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think of this as the Brandon Black role from

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Speaker 2: He's no Brad Peacock, but it is in the Black role.

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Yeah, I mean it's the old school,

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Speaker 2: a lot of optionable players in that vein, and so

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Speaker 2: this makes a lot of sense. I think sometimes people

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Speaker 2: get fussy just when they see prospect written next to

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Speaker 2: oh this prospect was traded. This This was not a

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Speaker 2: You know, you'll be all right, and who knows, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe Chance will have a wonderful career. I hope that

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Speaker 2: he does. But this was not a twenty twenty six contributor.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's where the Astros are focused right now.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, like there are some people in baseball, like

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Speaker 1: only will assign the word or label prospect to like

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Speaker 2: They're just not in the big leagues yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's hard for me to lot, but it's

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Speaker 1: something I should change in my coverage. Is that you know,

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Speaker 2: Prospect implies that you are waiting on that player. To me,

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Speaker 2: you're you are wait, this person is a prospect. You

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Speaker 2: you are waiting to be at the big leagues. And

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Speaker 2: those people are very valuable. But I mean half of

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Speaker 2: the people that are in the big leagues were not prospects.

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Speaker 2: They're just guys who kept being good at every level

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Speaker 2: maybe uh, maybe he will, but he was in rookie

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Speaker 1: If that's what happens, this will probably work out as

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Speaker 1: good as the last time the Astros traded a catching

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Speaker 1: prospect to the Giants for somebody that could help their

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Speaker 1: current major league team. They acquired Mauricio Dubon, and they

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Speaker 1: acquired the last time is when they acquired Mauricio Dubon

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Speaker 1: for Mike Papirski. Would you like to guess where Mike

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Speaker 1: Peeerski went to school?

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Speaker 2: Was it LSU Chandler It was?

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Speaker 1: He was Alex pregnant. He was Alex Bregman's roommate as freshman.

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Speaker 2: I thought you weren't allowed to know who was Mike

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Speaker 1: PAP's doing well. He's a good dude. But that one

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Speaker 1: worked out for the Astros. They didn't I missed Michael Papeirski.

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Speaker 1: They loved Mauricio Dubon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You don't want to pass me Ram.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he he is, he's doing fine.

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Speaker 1: Did you see what did we talk about? What Cam?

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Speaker 1: What Cam Smith said about Dubon at FanFest? No, it's

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Speaker 1: uh so he was talking like he did his whole

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Speaker 1: and somebody asked him. Another reporter asked him, like, well

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Speaker 1: And as Cam is wont to do. Cam just started

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Speaker 1: listing like every veteran out, every veteran on the team basically.

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Speaker 1: But then he's like, and then then I had Dubon

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Speaker 1: and he was all excited and like you could tell

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Speaker 1: that's when I go, I was gonna ask you, like, Cam,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do without Dubon here? And he

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Speaker 1: gave this kind of tear jerking answer. He said, Dubon,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he was our DJ. You could say

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Speaker 1: he was my best friend, a mentor. But it's baseball,

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Speaker 1: it's a business. I know he's happy to continue playing

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Speaker 1: this game. We'll see him down the road. So if

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Speaker 1: anyone can find Cam Smith a new best friend.

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Speaker 2: That's that's opening days starting shortstop. Mauricio Dubon to.

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Speaker 1: You, hell, yeah, it's funny. How funny, how that works?

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Speaker 1: Good for him, Good for Dobie. He's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 1: succeed in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: But it's also what we've been saying about other trades though,

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Speaker 2: is that sometimes somebody gets hurt and suddenly a team

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Speaker 2: needs that player a lot more. Braves would have paid

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Speaker 2: a lot more for Mauricio Dubon today than they did

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Speaker 2: two months ago. But of course that's just how roster

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Speaker 2: that competition is from outside the organization too. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: it's not like it's just the guys who've been around

432
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Speaker 2: for a while. You've got three or four guys right

433
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Speaker 2: now that you've acquired this offseason. That again, if they're

434
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Speaker 2: you know, dramatically better than you in the next month

435
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Speaker 2: or two, then certainly you could see that happening. But again,

436
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: you're going to see all of those guys make a

437
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Speaker 2: start at some point this year, you just are. That's

438
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Speaker 2: how it's how big Lee season works. You need ten

439
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Speaker 2: starters over the course of a year.

440
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Speaker 1: So it's good to have you need that in two months.

441
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you do, uh, and you know they've already lost

442
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Speaker 2: a big bullpen arm in Chas McCormick, so they're gonna

443
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Speaker 2: have to make up for that, which is why they

444
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Speaker 2: made this trade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations to Chazz and his wife, Courtney, by the way,

446
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Speaker 1: gave they had their first child. I believe right after

447
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Speaker 1: New Year's I think Chazz announced on Instagram. Congratulations to them.

448
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Chaz is a dad, which that's a that's a scary thought,

449
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: but props to them. Good happy for them. Hope everyone's

450
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Speaker 1: happy and healthy. Speaking of departed hitters, are you Hennio

451
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Speaker 1: Suarez signed with the Reds today? One year, fifteen million dollars.

452
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Speaker 1: If you'd like to litigate why a guy that hit

453
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Speaker 1: fifty something homers last year got a one year deal,

454
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Speaker 1: you can look at how much he strikes out. You

455
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Speaker 1: can look at his age, you can look at his

456
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: defensive value, all of which are non existent. So he

457
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: just hits dingers and that's what the Reds are gonna

458
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: pay him to do. He is going to go hit

459
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Speaker 1: like fourth in the Reds lineup. I don't know who's

460
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Speaker 1: going to hit around him, because I don't know who

461
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: else is on the Reds. But with au Henrio Suarez

462
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: off the market, that means there really is no free

463
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: agent third baseman out there for teams that need third

464
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: basemen to acquire, which brings us back to the escoc

465
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Speaker 1: Paradus discussion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, has there been any team that has lost like

467
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Speaker 2: two All star third basemen in the last year, So.

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Speaker 1: Let me think, yeah, yeah, there is so Obviously the

469
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Speaker 1: reporting that I have read from both Jen McCaffrey, who

470
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Speaker 1: covers the Red Sox for the Athletic and you know

471
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Speaker 1: other reporters that cover the Red Sox that the Red

472
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Speaker 1: Sox did not make au Hennyo Swarez an offer. So

473
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Speaker 1: with that in mind, I'm not sure how much this

474
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Speaker 1: impacts the Red Sox directly with estac paratus, because if

475
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox weren't even going, if they didn't offer

476
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Speaker 1: au Hennyo Swarez, I can't imagine that him coming off

477
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Speaker 1: the market is going to like force them to do

478
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Speaker 1: more that they were never in on him in the

479
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Speaker 1: first place. So, but I do wonder. You know, the

480
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Speaker 1: Pirates were a team reading some reporting from from Pittsburgh

481
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Speaker 1: this week, the Pirates were a team that showed a

482
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Speaker 1: lot of interest in au Hennyo Swarez. They need a

483
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Speaker 1: third baseman. Uh Ben Sherrington, the President Baseball Operations of

484
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Speaker 1: the Pirates, and Dana Brown have had a lot of

485
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Speaker 1: conversations this winter friend of the Pod Mike Burrows. As

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Speaker 1: a result of some of those conversations, I will say

487
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've said this anywhere. I don't think

488
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Speaker 1: I've reported it anywhere, but within those trade discussions with

489
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Speaker 1: the Pirates about Mike Burrows, Joey Bart's name came up

490
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Former number one pick is now

491
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Speaker 1: basically a backup catcher in Pittsburgh. That's obviously would fulfill

492
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Speaker 1: and Astro's need. Again, I am not sitting here saying

493
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Speaker 1: that Escoc paradis for Joey Bart. Let's do it like

494
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: that's not at all equitable thing. But I'm just this

495
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Speaker 1: is me giving you some just informed what I've heard

496
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Speaker 1: and some things that could help connect some dots. You know,

497
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Speaker 1: everyone has asked me who are the other teams in

498
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Speaker 1: on Escoc Paradus, and the straightforward answers I don't know,

499
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Speaker 1: but I do know that there are other teams that

500
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Speaker 1: are talking. So maybe this compels the Pirates because the

501
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Speaker 1: Pirates were a team that I think they had made

502
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Speaker 1: the same offer to au Heney oswaz if not a

503
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Speaker 1: little bit better of an offer, but he went to

504
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati because he has played there before. He knows the ballpark, well,

505
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: he's familiar with the clubhouse, things like that, so he

506
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Speaker 1: went for familiarity. But you know who knows, maybe the

507
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Speaker 1: Pirates Inno the Phray because at the very least, Tyler,

508
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: we do know that the Pirates and Astros have communicated

509
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: a good bit this winter. So it's not as if

510
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: if Dana Brown calls Ben Sherrington or vice versa, they're

511
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Speaker 1: starting from ground zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joey Bart makes a lot of sense for the Astros.

513
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Speaker 2: Like you said, you know a backup catcher that you

514
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Speaker 2: can comfortably rely on to not embarrass you out there.

515
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Speaker 2: That that makes a lot of sense. I agree with

516
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: you that that is not equitable for eastoc paratees, but

517
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Speaker 2: it is certainly a starting point in some sort of

518
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: trade discussions. Plus I think ten million dollars might be

519
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: too rich for the Pirates anyway.

520
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I just told they made the same

521
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Speaker 1: au Henio Surez signed for fifteen million dollars, and the

522
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Speaker 1: reporting out of Pittsburgh says that they made him the

523
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Speaker 1: same offer. So if they were willing to spend fifteen

524
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Speaker 1: million dollars in au Heniosuarez, who we can maybe litigate this.

525
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Speaker 1: I think Eesocked Paradis is a better player than au Hennioswarez,

526
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Speaker 1: Like he's just give more overall values. So there're Williams

527
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Speaker 1: fifteen million.

528
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Speaker 2: On that guy, then what about twenty million on a

529
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: different guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I tried. That's my best sales pitch.

532
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Speaker 1: I think they have a fellow named Spencer Horowitz it's

533
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Speaker 1: going to play first base for them.

534
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

535
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: He was one of the Blue Jays cast offs that

536
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: like didn't get to be on the team of cast

537
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: offs that made the World Series, so they traded him,

538
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: I think before last season. So I think Spencer Horowitz

539
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: is going to play first for the for the Buckos,

540
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Speaker 1: I'll assume.

541
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Speaker 2: Until proven otherwise that Joey Harrington is just playing every

542
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Speaker 2: position for the Pirates. Until I look up and.

543
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Joey Harrington the former quarterback. Now whom I think of Harrison?

544
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: What was the the utility guy that just played for

545
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Speaker 1: them for Josh Harris.

546
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Speaker 2: Josh Harrison, Joe, that's the same guy.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say, like Andrew McCutchen, Well, like an actually.

548
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: I would remember, but I'm saying playing every other position.

549
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Speaker 2: Josh Harrison MLB the show legend he was, He's great

550
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Speaker 2: in the battle rounds of MLB the show.

551
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Speaker 1: All this being said, there is nothing as far as

552
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Speaker 1: I know on at eight thirty five PM on February first,

553
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: not much in the East sac Paratus or Christian Walker

554
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: for that matter, trade discussions. Dana Brown coincidentally is the

555
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Ashers are doing their media luncheon on Tuesday. If you're

556
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: into like their team motto or slogan for the year,

557
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: that's the day that they reveal it. So be around

558
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: your computer at eleven thirty am or noon on Tuesday

559
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: and you'll get to see what the hashtag and what

560
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: the slogan is for the season that they do that

561
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: at this luncheon. But Dana Brown and Joe Spot also

562
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: talk to us, so we'll get to talk to Dana

563
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Who knows, maybe by then things will have

564
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: picked up.

565
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: What's going on with Jake Myers?

566
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Speaker 1: Are you just chilling in Nebraska? It's probably kind of cold,

567
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: it's got two kids under three, probably pulling his hair

568
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: out because of that. But I think he's no, all right.

569
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Speaker 2: Okay, nothing nothing heating up there. I mean, it's it

570
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: feels like at this point they're just okay with him

571
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Speaker 2: being the opening day center fielder. It doesn't it doesn't

572
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Speaker 2: seem like they have this pressure to make a move

573
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Speaker 2: before spring training or anything like that.

574
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Speaker 1: Again, like anything can change. I mean, it takes one

575
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Speaker 1: phone call to change things. It takes one phone call

576
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Speaker 1: for things to get kicked into gear. But no, like

577
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Speaker 1: as of right now. I mean I had it in

578
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Speaker 1: the opening day lineup projection that we talked about the

579
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Speaker 1: other day. The outfield, in my opinion at this moment

580
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Speaker 1: is Zach colon left, Jake Myers and center, and Cam

581
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Speaker 1: Smith and right, and Hasu Sanchez maybe as a platoon

582
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Speaker 1: guy with with Cam and right field. I think Haysu

583
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Sanchez is far more likely to be moved before the

584
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Speaker 1: beginning of the season than Jake Myers is. But again,

585
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Speaker 1: things can things can change, and I think it's more

586
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Speaker 1: so moving Sanchez. It's more because you know, he's making

587
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Speaker 1: a sizeable amount of money and there's just no real

588
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: path that they'd want to play him every day. And

589
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: if you do every day, you're taking it bats away

590
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: from Camp Smith and Zach Cole, who if we've believed

591
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: anything that the guys running the team have said for

592
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: the last year. It's like, if we carry young guys

593
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: on the roster, we're playing them every day. So that

594
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: would carrying hay Sus Sanchez would counter that claim for

595
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: both of those guys. He would take it bats away

596
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: from younger guys, So I would I would probably think

597
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: that he was more likely to be moved than Jake Myers.

598
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: But again, the way trades work, the way any of

599
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: this stuff works, one phone call can change anything. That's

600
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: just kind of my read on it right now.

601
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Speaker 2: I feel like we, I mean, we just don't say

602
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: this name a lot. But what about Zach Dezenzo. I mean,

603
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: I know he was injured some last year, and you know,

604
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean he's not again, you know, he's not a

605
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Speaker 2: guy that you're circling as your everyday outfield or anything

606
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: like that. But you know, he was good, especially in

607
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. What do you hear kind of internally

608
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: about what the Astros think about him?

609
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: You know, there's they still like him, don't don't get

610
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: me wrong, Like they haven't cast him aside and he's

611
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: not like old news. Yeah, I think the injuries killed

612
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: him last year right like it was a It was

613
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: just a tough year for him staying on the field.

614
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: I think Zach's problem, you know, for one, is that

615
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: the positions he plays, as we have talked about, there's

616
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: a pretty big logjam. Like he's a first he's a

617
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: corner infielder. You've already got almost thirty million dollars committed

618
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: to first base between two guys, and then at third base,

619
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Speaker 1: that dude ain't That dude ain't coming off the field,

620
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: so does he can't play second, he can't play short,

621
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Speaker 1: And then really you're only going to put him in

622
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: left field in some pretty advantageous left fields at Dyking

623
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Park or at kind of smaller left field. He Zach's

624
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: a big guy, but he is more athletic maybe than

625
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: meets the eye just in terms of his body type.

626
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: But I think for him to make an impact, he's

627
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: going to have to hit his way onto the roster.

628
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: This is gonna have to be one of those situations

629
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Speaker 1: where he goes and has a Cam Smith or really

630
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: a Zach Decenzo's style spring, because Cam stole all the

631
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: headlines last spring, Zach Dezenza was just as good, Like

632
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: he tore up great for league pitching. And that's why

633
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: he made the roster. He made the open day roster,

634
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't he Yeah, yeah, well that's why he made the

635
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: roster because there was he tore it up in spring

636
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: training and he hit his way onto the team. I

637
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: don't see a path to every day at bats for

638
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: him on this team. Again, just given the lack of

639
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: positional versatility. It's always interesting to me maybe I should

640
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: do this as a story, like at what point do

641
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: like evaluators and maybe you know PD guys or gms

642
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: or managers of like, at what point with a prospect

643
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: do you look at him and say, like, all right,

644
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: it's we need to stop worrying about finding him every

645
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: day at bats. And just like his development is now

646
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: tailored tour like helping the big league team in any cost,

647
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: whether that's you know, sitting for a couple of days

648
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: and being a pinch hit or late in a game,

649
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: or whether that's being a platoon bat, whether that's being

650
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, a backup somewhere and riding the bench for

651
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: a little bit. Because I think the Ashers are coming

652
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: up on that decision with with Zach Dezenzo, with Bryce Matthews,

653
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: they've got it's an interest. I'm telling story ideas to

654
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: myself on the pod, like that's something that I like

655
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: to look into, because I don't know the answer to that.

656
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

657
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: Zach Cole, I think, is in that boat too, where

658
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: I think, yes, they want him to have every day

659
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: at bats, but I would imagine that even if he's

660
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: not the starter every day, that they keep him around

661
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: at least at the beginning, just as a as a

662
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: bat that they trust. Because again, both of those guys

663
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: are older too. I mean dozenzo Is in his age

664
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: twenty six season. I think Zach cole is too, maybe

665
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: twenty five, but you know they're not twenty one. You know,

666
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: they're older, more established guys. And honestly, that's a position

667
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: where the Astros have some trade flexibility as well. If

668
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: if a team needs a fourth outfielder or you know,

669
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: corner infield help or something and you want a guy

670
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: with five or six years of team control, Zach dezenzo

671
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: Is is a is a good fit in those trade

672
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: discussions as well.

673
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he I agree. I don't know how much you

674
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: would get back for him just giving.

675
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: No, I don't mean that you would get as far

676
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: as a prospect goes. But I mean, you know, it

677
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: does make sense, especially if it's paired with salary stuff.

678
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's okay. In addition to covering some of

679
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: this salary, you also get this guy with all this

680
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: team control in a position where you don't have as

681
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: much you know, internal depth.

682
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: And you're basically saying an appreciation for you paying a

683
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: first baseman twenty million dollars or correct, fifteen million dollars.

684
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: Here's a guy you can pay half a million for

685
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: the next few years.

686
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe.

687
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Well then you're only averaging paying ten million dollars to

688
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: a first baseman, so it's actually not that bad.

689
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be. And I like Zach,

690
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to I like talking to him. I think

691
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: he's very introspective. I think he's a good dude. But

692
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be tough for him to crack

693
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: the opening day roster and if he does, and I

694
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: think that's the disconnect, right, And this may not just

695
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: be with Astros fans, but I think it's maybe with

696
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: baseball fans in general. Like people fall in love with

697
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: the guys at Triple A, they fall in love with

698
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: the guys that are mashing. You know, Shay Wickham's been

699
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: in this category because he's mashed in Triple A for

700
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: four years now, Bryce, Matthew, Zach Dezenzo, and they all

701
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: like they all clamor for them to come up, and

702
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: then they come up and there's no place to play them,

703
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: and so they sit on the bench and everyone is

704
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: just goes catatonic when like Shay Wickham doesn't play or

705
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Dezenzo or Bryce, and it's like that's the double edged

706
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: sword you have here, Like you can you can carry

707
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: these guys if it makes you feel good. But like

708
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're trying to win,

709
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: and there's guys that are just more established, being paid more,

710
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: and that are producing more at these positions than some

711
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: of these guys are. So it's not always as easy

712
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: as just get them on the roster and play them

713
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: because they've just got a lot of guys that do

714
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of similar things.

715
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: They don't some of you guys were not around for

716
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Brett Wallace and it shows. Okay, sometimes it's hard to

717
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: jump from mashing and Triple A to success in the

718
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: big leagues.

719
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: They yeah, they just.

720
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: All the time. Triple A All Star Brett Wallace.

721
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: That guy was Shaye Wickham's up there, hitting just.

722
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Like three point thirty with pop in in the minors

723
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: for years and just could never can never quite make

724
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: it work at the big league level. But that guy

725
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: was a monster in Triple A.

726
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shay's nipping at his heels for that one. I

727
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: did see today. I don't. I haven't confirmed it yet.

728
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: This is tying a lot of things. And I did

729
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: see on social media day that Shaye Wickham may play

730
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: for Team Korea in the w If he does, I

731
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: think I think his mother. I think his mother's Korean.

732
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak out a turn on that,

733
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: but someone someone in is I think he's either mom

734
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: ors At or Korea. But anyway, that that leads us

735
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: into more controversy. As we briefly discussed on the podcast

736
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Carl's Correa is not gonna play in the WBC,

737
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: neither is jose L Tuvey. Since then, UH Puerto Rico

738
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: has basically threatened a boycott the tournament. They've they've threatened

739
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: their their federation head has basically said, like, we are

740
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: considering pulling our team from the tournament because they have

741
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: had a ton of issues getting guys insured. Francisco Lindor

742
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: was denied insurance coverage, as was Carlos Correa. They've had

743
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: a lot of guys pull out. And the other thing

744
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: is that they are hosting a round of pool play

745
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: for the first time in a very long time, and

746
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: they're worried or that they're not going to represent their

747
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: country as well as they could, because not only is

748
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: it that their best players are getting pulled out, but

749
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: it's on a short notice too, like rosters are due

750
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: on Thursday for the WBC, and like they just learned

751
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: about Lindor like this weekend. So there was some reporting

752
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: done by friend of the Pod Ken Rosenthal and evandrelic

753
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: this week at the Athletic in which it was kind

754
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: of enlightening that basically the injuries sustained in the twenty

755
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: twenty three WBC by both Jose Al Tuve and Edwin

756
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: Diaz ed when Diaz ruptures towards ACL while celebrating after

757
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico won. Josel Twove broke his thumb after he

758
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: got hit by a pitch. Those two injuries have now

759
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: basically skyrocketed insurance premiums and how difficult it is to

760
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: ensure guys for this WBC, so in Evan and Ken's reporting, essentially,

761
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: if you have been on the sixty day IL in

762
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: the previous year, or if you have had surgery, you

763
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: are basically uninsurable. So that would explain why Josel Tubay

764
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: is uninsurable. He did have the minor procedure on his

765
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: foot this November, and I believe it is in November.

766
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: There's also something that if you're over age thirty seven,

767
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: you're uninsurable, so maybe that's the line of demarcation. So

768
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: Joseel Twoba he turns thirty six in May, so it's

769
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: not an age thing. With L two B, it's a

770
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: surgical thing. Korea obviously did not have either of those things.

771
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: He didn't have a surgery and he didn't go on

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: the sixty day He actually played one hundred and forty

773
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: four games last year, which was the.

774
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Most spiritually thirty seven though that makes sense.

775
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Sure, and he's spiritually always injured, which doesn't help the

776
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: insurance claim either.

777
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: I hope they figured out, yeah, it's around you would

778
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: you hope that in the next CBA too, that there's

779
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: some sort of agreement in place between the WBC, because

780
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: You also have to remember, like baseball nerds were really

781
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: into the you know, the last one twenty two and three,

782
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: and especially the one before that where it was just

783
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: kind of starting up. The last one was enough to

784
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: get kind of casual people involved or whatever. But I

785
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: think also timed with the Olympics, this season of the

786
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: WBC is going to be particularly big, especially with the

787
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: strength of the US roster, the number of stars there,

788
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: and people care about people have been talking about it

789
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: for years, so you hope that that swings back the

790
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: other way for the next one, where it's look, this

791
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: is something that's really important to the players. There's enough

792
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: fans support behind it now too, where people want to

793
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: see the best players. Obviously they can figure out how

794
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: to do it. In soccer, those guys play year round

795
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: for eight different teams all the time, so there's ways

796
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: to figure it out. But you know, I think it

797
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: probably just wasn't a priority until the popularity really exploded

798
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: in the last WBC. So hopefully they get that figured

799
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: out because it's such a fun event.

800
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean.

801
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: That you need to see the best players playing in it.

802
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: That's the whole point, right, I.

803
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: Mean, and and and this sucks. I mean, it just

804
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: it just does. There's no other way to say. Yeah,

805
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know I haven't. Maybe we'll ask

806
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: I'll two be about this when we get the spring training.

807
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: But like, if this stays in place and thirty seven

808
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: year olds aren't insurable, is can Jozel to play in

809
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: another WBC?

810
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: I mean at that point he can just get off

811
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: his rocking chair and do whatever he wants.

812
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, well, it maybe like the Miguel Caberra situation

813
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: from twenty three when they didn't ensure him, but the

814
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Tigers basically like, all right, well if you get hurt,

815
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: we'll pay you, Like it.

816
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: Was a it was a nod to him for well,

817
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: I would imagine that that that's going to have to

818
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: be an agreement in place going forward, where look, you

819
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: employ superstars, this is a superstar event. There's an inherent

820
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: risk to that happening. But there's also an inherent risks

821
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: of them playing for Mickey and Kassimi in February. You know,

822
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: like it it happens, there's both of those injuries. As

823
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: we talked about, it'd be different if if there was

824
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: just this rash of like pitcher injuries, blowing their arms

825
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: out from the WBC, you know, notable. I mean, obviously

826
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: there's there's always gonna be pitchuer injuries, but it'd be

827
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: different if you just like watched eight guys walk off

828
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: the mound in the WBC because they blew their arms out.

829
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: There's no to me, there's no discernible difference as far

830
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: as ramping up for the season between this and spring training.

831
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Obviously the games mean more, but it's not like you're

832
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: sustaining like so much more effort, you know, like and

833
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: a bat isn't a bat like it just you might

834
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: run harder go into second, so maybe you pull a

835
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: hammy or something, but it's not like, you know, it's

836
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: not like basketball where you're just sprinting the whole and

837
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: you could see how if the adrenaline gets going, like

838
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: you are more susceptible to injury if you're not built

839
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: up to that. A guy hitting is not. I don't know,

840
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: it just doesn't feel like that much more dangerous in

841
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 2: the WBC than it would somewhere else.

842
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: But I'll push back a little bit on the picture

843
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: injuries just because maybe we have not seen them walk

844
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: off of the WBC mound injured. But I can just

845
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: tell you from conversations with people that would know people

846
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: in the sport, they they think there is a link.

847
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: They think there is there has been a link in

848
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: some cases to ramping up, to getting ramped up that early.

849
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is like they're coming down

850
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: from being ramped because they're going, for lack of a

851
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: better word, they're going balls to the wall at the

852
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: WBC like adrenaline out of their mind, Like Luis Garcia

853
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: was throwing ninety eight at WBC in twenty three and

854
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: then like a week later they're pitching on a backfield

855
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: against some like Cardinals double A kids, where like, yeah,

856
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: they're trying, but they're not throwing one hundred miles an hour.

857
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I mean playing at Yankee Stadium on

858
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: Friday in April, Like that's.

859
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: That dude, It's different, like big I agree with the

860
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: big game.

861
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: I know what you mean, but I still think, look,

862
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: it's gonna have that's that's part of the sport. So again,

863
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: if if they want to make this event work, we

864
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: who cares. That's my opinion is that I hope as

865
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: many people get to play as possible, So hopefully they

866
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: figure that out.

867
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: So we're now coming into this if I'm putting my

868
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: psychologist head on, like I think you're just sitting here

869
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: like you don't want it to be true, but like

870
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: you kind of you're kind of like I'm the same way,

871
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: Like I wish there wasn't this connection, Like I wish

872
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: like all the guys that want to play complay because

873
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a great event. It does a lot for

874
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: the sport, like it gets baseball talked about, not even

875
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: just MLB, but it gets like the entire sport of

876
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: base ball talked about on a global level, like it

877
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: the game needs it and I but I can't get

878
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I also, and I want to make this clear like

879
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I did on the last podcast, Jim Crane's involved in

880
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: this too. It's not just Jim Crane. There's a lot

881
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: of owners that are involved in this, and a lot

882
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: of owners don't want their guys playing. I can't say

883
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: I disagree with them, though, Like if if you're gonna

884
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: pay Carlos Correa thirty one million dollars, and I can

885
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: say that because Carlos Correa said on the record Jim

886
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: Crane called him and said, I want you to focus

887
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: on the season. We had too many injuries last year,

888
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: and I want you to focus on the season now.

889
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: Carlos said he would have played if we would have

890
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: gotten insurance. But again, like that's out there, like owners

891
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: don't like their guys playing either, and I gotta be

892
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: honest with you, I can't blame them.

893
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, all it takes is, you know,

894
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: in two years, Jeremy Painia saying, whatever team I signed

895
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: for has to agree to let me play in the

896
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: next wb You know, like that, That's all it's gonna

897
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: take is a handful of superstar is just saying like

898
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: this is important to me. So the next contract I sign,

899
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna let me play in this, and then it's

900
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: just gonna be part.

901
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet.

902
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm well, that's my point is that the first what

903
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: was the twenty nineteen, the kind of first seventeen I think, yeah,

904
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: restart of the WBC was really big for people that

905
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: already loved baseball, but it was not anywhere near talked

906
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: about it. And then the last one just had such

907
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: a great ending with Japan and the US and you know,

908
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: Trout and show Hey and so you know, there it

909
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: built up enough to where people are talking about it

910
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: for the next thing, and it takes a few events

911
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: for it to be important. But I mean, look, you

912
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: talk about pitcher injuries and all that stuff, I agree

913
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: with you. You know what else is hurting pitchers is

914
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: the pitchclock, and baseball is objectively better with the pitchclock.

915
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes things that make baseball better add a

916
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: little bit of of risk to it and you just

917
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: have to adjust and and move on. But I mean,

918
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: if if the point is to make baseball a global

919
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: and popular game, and I think baseball is in a

920
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: better place than it has been in a long time

921
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: as far as just like national recognition, the amount of

922
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: people paying attention to it, I think it's in a

923
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: really good spot. There's so many great young superstars who

924
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: are interesting and exciting, and so you know, you hope

925
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: that it doesn't become too big of a story around

926
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: you know, you would hate to see something with Puerto

927
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Rico pulling out or you know, something like that where

928
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: it tarnishes something that's really cool.

929
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, it's better when Puerto Rico is good

930
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: because Puerto Rico has so many there's so many good

931
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: players like that. Isla too, like like I mean it's

932
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: and it's again like we say all this, like if

933
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: you can get to a WBC game at Dyke and Park,

934
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: oh you can't wait, please go like it you should

935
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: probably go to US. Try to get in for US

936
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Mexico because that's gonna be lit. But like if you

937
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: can only get in for like the US and Italy,

938
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: like it's still gonna be fun.

939
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: Like if he can get as is not playing correct

940
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: for Mexico?

941
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

942
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: But he played the whole again, he played winter ball

943
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: all year. What do we do?

944
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: We just talked about how Jose L Tuve getting like

945
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: a wound drain in his foot couldn't get him insured.

946
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: I see highlights of this man every other day on

947
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Twitter hitting dangers in Mexico. Like what are we doing?

948
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: Let let him play east.

949
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Ock paratus like almost tours hamsterring off the bone. I

950
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: don't think that's getting insured for much. But it may

951
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: not be the Astros problem. They may not be paying

952
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: him in a week, who knows. But yeah, if you

953
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: can get the Dike in park, go to a WBC game,

954
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: if you can get to the quarterfinal. I presume Puerto

955
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: Rico is going to advance out of its presuming it plays.

956
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: I presume Puerto Rico is going to advance out of

957
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: its pool. If they do, they come to dyke and

958
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: Park for the quarterfinal round. I presume the US will

959
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: get out of the pool that they're playing at dyke

960
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: In Park, US Puerto Rico in Houston would be as

961
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: the children say, lit, you should do they I.

962
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: Think you might be late on that, am I I think?

963
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: So? Okay, it's too bad? All right? Whatever? Do we

964
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Speaker 1: miss anything?

965
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: Probably let us know in the comments at least, I

966
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: said Zach Zenzo. I'm satisfy that.

967
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I said the New York Football Giants. So that was good.

968
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: I like it well, I mean, I said Joey Harrington.

969
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: It's a great podcast all around.

970
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: See how much we prep for this. That's why you should.

971
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: That's why you should always keep in touch with it.

972
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Exit Chandler Underscore Room. You

973
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: can follow Tyler at Tyler she Stafford. Please rate and

974
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
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975
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,440
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976
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: channel like the video on YouTube that really helps seut.

977
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: We will be back next week. I know we've been

978
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: teasing guests. We will have guests next week. I know

979
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: one for sure is locked in working on two others

980
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: that I think everyone will be excited about. But uh so,

981
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: until then, until we get confirmation from those people. We

982
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: will talk to you soon. Thanks for listening.

983
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully I can get my arm insured for this. Bye,