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Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on

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Speaker 1: a wonderful Wednesday. We have Brandon Wiker coming up about

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Speaker 1: a half hour from now. We are about to get

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Speaker 1: so much smarter on trade, Russia, Greenland, China, hypersonic missiles.

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Speaker 1: A wealth of information is coming your way about a

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Speaker 1: half hour from now, so that will be fun. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna move away from the RFK stuff for now because

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about Democrat resistance to illegal immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the USDA Inspector General getting escorted

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Speaker 1: out of the building, deporting anti Semitic student visa holders,

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Speaker 1: and so much more coming up on the world famous

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly they showed. Now, I need to explain something

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Speaker 1: we're all seeing here because you're going to see a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. You're going to keep seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of it, and so you really need to roll your

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Speaker 1: eyes when you see it. And I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: Democrat resistance to mass deportation. If you are a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: you have a tight rope you need to walk right now,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be very, very very careful with

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Speaker 1: that tightrope. Let's say you're a mayor, because right now

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh mayor came out, Pittsburgh mayor vows not to

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Speaker 1: work with ICE on illegal immigration crackdown. Okay, what's that mean. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to work with ICE. But you notice

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Speaker 1: he didn't say he was going to actually oppose ICE

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Speaker 1: actually stand in the way. And here's why the tightrope

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Speaker 1: you have to walk if you're a Democrat, governor or

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Speaker 1: to act as if you are trying to stop mass deportation.

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Speaker 1: You need to act that way as much as humanly possible.

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Speaker 1: So you will make announcements like over my dead body,

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Speaker 1: or I'm not going to work with ICE. You have

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Speaker 1: to make kind of threatening sounds like this from this

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Speaker 1: is Governor of Illinois JB. Pritzko.

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Speaker 2: I made a promise to the people of Illinois when

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Speaker 2: it comes to threats to our freedom, health or security,

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Speaker 2: if you come for my people, you come through me.

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Speaker 1: WHOA sounds scary. Oregon governor came out two same things.

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Speaker 3: I will not back down from a fight, whether it's

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Speaker 3: access to reproductive and gender affirming healthcare. Staying on our

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Speaker 3: path to reach our climate goals, protecting immigrant communities, upholding

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to back down from a fight. San

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Speaker 1: Francisco officials said the same thing. Pittsburgh was not going

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Speaker 1: to work with Arby. We know that San Francisco is

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Speaker 1: a centuary Gosh, that voice is tough to deal with,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. We know that San Francisco is a centuary city.

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Speaker 1: We will always be a sentuary city. We want to

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Speaker 1: be clear.

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Speaker 4: The Sheriff's office does not and will not take part

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're not going to work with them. Mayor of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: same thing. In the city of Minneapolis, we will stand

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Speaker 1: up for you and we will do anything in our

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Speaker 1: power to help because you're not an alien in our city.

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Speaker 1: You're a neighbor. But here's the tightrope. They have to watch,

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Speaker 1: you have to walk, you have to oppose illegal immigration crackdowns,

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Speaker 1: but you can't break the law. You see. So what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do with all these mayors and governors,

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Speaker 1: what they're all trying to do is you're trying to

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Speaker 1: raise your profile in the Democrat Party because the Democrat

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Speaker 1: parties anti American They love illegal immigration, so you have

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Speaker 1: to raise your profile by saying, no, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: help you deport Loupe. But they're not actually going to

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Speaker 1: physically oppose Ice or oppose the deportation efforts, because that

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Speaker 1: that you see it. They're all playing the same game.

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Speaker 1: They're all saying, we're not gonna help Ice, we're not

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Speaker 1: that is where you don't want to be. You're seeing,

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Speaker 1: That's the game being played right now. They're watching. They're

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Speaker 5: I am also signing an executive order to instruct the

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Speaker 5: Departments of Defense and Homeland Security to begin preparing the

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Speaker 5: thirty thousand person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay. Most people

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Speaker 5: in Guantanamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening

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Speaker 5: don't even trust the countries to hold them because we

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Speaker 5: them out to Guantanamo. This will double our capacity immediately,

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Speaker 5: right and tough. That's a tough that's a tough place

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Speaker 1: Of, outstanding Jesse. Fifteen hundred illegals a day isn't enough.

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Speaker 1: This adds up to two point two million in four years.

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Speaker 1: There needs to be other ways of getting fifteen to

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Speaker 1: all gone. I thought that's what Donald Trump promised us

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Speaker 1: ideas Okay, first, you know, I would be more than

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Speaker 1: happy to criticize the administration if I felt like they

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Speaker 1: were slow rolling this or breaking a promise. But they

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Speaker 1: are out there publicly saying essentially what you just said.

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Speaker 1: You satisfied Tom Homan with the pace of migrant deportations.

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Speaker 4: No, we gotta do more. We got we got to

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Speaker 4: open that aperture up. What we're going to do. Here's

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Speaker 4: a great start. The first week was unprecedented.

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Speaker 3: I mean the illegal crossing to on the border one day,

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Speaker 3: it was like five hundred and forty I've never seen that.

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Speaker 4: And I started Bordutur nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: We're not satisfied. We've got more to do. I warned

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Speaker 1: you repeatedly that mass deporting twenty thirty forty fifty million

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Speaker 1: people was probably not realistic. That in the end, if

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Speaker 1: intentionally bring in as many people as humanly possible, that

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Speaker 1: that is something the next administration likely cannot overcome, even

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Speaker 1: have I not? So here we are now that said,

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Speaker 1: what is the greatest immigration enforcement tool on earth? What

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Speaker 1: it walls, border patrol agents? What's the greatest illegal immigration

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Speaker 1: enforcement tool out there? That's right, Chris actually guessed it.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this fear. Fear is your greatest tool.

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Speaker 1: It is. People don't like to talk like that. We're

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Speaker 1: But the greatest tool you can have is illegals around

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Speaker 1: the globe. Member people come from every tree in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's not just Latin America, all over the globe. People

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Speaker 1: have heard for years that you can just walk into

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Speaker 1: really won't be any consequences. Maybe you'll get deported, but

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Speaker 1: they're afraid. They're hearing people say they're deporting everyone. They're afraid.

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Speaker 1: Migrant caravans down hugely. You just heard Tom Holman talk

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Speaker 1: about it. Where our encounters at the border. It's off

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Speaker 1: a cliff now because the greatest tool for immigration enforcement

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Speaker 1: closed for business. That is going to help snow ball deportations.

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Speaker 1: Self deportations will be an enormous thing as we move forward,

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Speaker 1: as people realize I don't feel safe here. I don't

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Speaker 1: feel secure here. Any day ice might come kicking down

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Speaker 1: my door. That's how we want people to feel if

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Speaker 1: they're here illegally. All right, I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 1: suspending or deporting people with visas who we don't like.

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Speaker 1: Let's discuss that along these exact same lines, and we'll

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Speaker 1: do some emails before we get to Brandon Wikert. Let

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Speaker 1: me first discuss preserving memories your pictures. I want you

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Speaker 1: to think, just for a moment, think about the pictures

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Speaker 1: in your house, the hard copy pictures, the ones on

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Speaker 1: the wall, the ones in that baby book, the ones

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Speaker 1: in your wedding album. What happened if there's a fire tonight,

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Speaker 1: what would happen? All those pictures gone, all those memories gone.

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Speaker 1: Those old VHS tapes you have laying around You even

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Speaker 1: have a VC who has a VCR? I don't even

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Speaker 1: know one anymore camcorder tapes. These things need to be digitized. No,

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Speaker 1: how to do that. I don't know anything about digitizing anything.

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Speaker 1: But I don't have to because Legacy Box does. How

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Speaker 1: am I preserving all those memories of my father a box?

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Speaker 1: We had to go through a freaking crate of pictures

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Speaker 1: for his funeral, crates of hard pictures. I won't ever

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Speaker 1: to look at my dad, because they're all getting digitized,

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Speaker 1: go to legacybox dot com slash jesse and get it done.

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Speaker 1: That saves you fifty percent. I should note they'll send

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Speaker 1: A wonderful hump day. Don't forget. You can leave. It's

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Speaker 1: well Peter's Michigan's Peters here in just a moment. Before

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Speaker 1: we do that, Trump sign an executive order to deport

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic student visa holders. And so what is this?

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Speaker 1: What is this? Well, you saw all the college protests

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Speaker 1: that took place after the October seventh attack by Hamas,

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Speaker 1: that stuff, and Trump's signing an executive order that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're here on a visa and you do that

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to. And here's where I fall on that.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem at all with people criticizing me,

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Speaker 1: criticizing people I like, countries, I life, I don't care

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Speaker 1: when you are a visa holder, you should be a

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Speaker 2: Next, feeling a little stocky, follow like and subscribe on

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Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Loves some hollow notes.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, that is so fascinating, Brandon. I've should have asked beforehand,

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Speaker 1: do you have time for one more quick segment? I

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Speaker 1: we'll be back. What Chris, We can make jokes. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: We get there right the Jesse Kelly Show. It is

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Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. Reminding you you

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Speaker 1: can email the show and you should Jesse at Jesse

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Speaker 1: kellyshow dot com. But we are back with Brandon Wikert,

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Speaker 1: National Senior National Security Editor for the National Interest. Brandon,

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Speaker 1: do you have senior National Security editor on your business

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Speaker 1: card because that would be really cool.

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Speaker 4: Uh, well, I don't have business cards because I do

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Speaker 4: everything electronically, but it is in my electronic business cards.

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Speaker 1: I have business cards that only have my name and

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Speaker 1: face on them. It's one of the best investments I've

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Speaker 1: ever put in. I would highly recommend you do something

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Speaker 1: along those lines. Anyway, I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: it shifting gears again. I want to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about China right now, because when you wake up,

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Speaker 1: you read things about China, which is all the time.

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Speaker 1: You find out they are an economic juggernaut who's about

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Speaker 1: to overtake us, and then the next day you read

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Speaker 1: something that it says their economies on shaky ground, they're

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Speaker 1: about to collapse. When you read about them militarily, you

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Speaker 1: find out that they're capable of sweeping the US Navy

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Speaker 1: off the high season five minutes, and then the next

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Speaker 1: day you read that their equipment is hot, stinky garbage,

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Speaker 1: their troops have no experience whatsoever, and they would collapse

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Speaker 1: in a matter of days. What is China right now?

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Speaker 4: China is the world's next great superpower. I think Peter

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Speaker 4: Thiel has said this, and I happen to agree with

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Speaker 4: him that basically he thinks that China pays people in

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Speaker 4: America to say one good thing about China, and then

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Speaker 4: they pay another group to say one bad thing about

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Speaker 4: China in order to confuse the American people and government

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Speaker 4: as to what's really going on in China. I think

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Speaker 4: you have to look at the data, and the data

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Speaker 4: has been this since twenty fourteen. China is the number

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Speaker 4: one economy in purchasing power parody terms. That is, according

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Speaker 4: to economists, the best measure of a national economy, much

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Speaker 4: more so than gross domestic product GDP. In terms of GDP,

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Speaker 4: we're still number one, but China is right at our

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Speaker 4: heels at number two. They have a robust and growing

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Speaker 4: high tech sector. If you look at their human capital,

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Speaker 4: that's their their people compared to ours. They're graduating more

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Speaker 4: PhDs and science, technology, and engineering and math fields. They're

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Speaker 4: smarter than us in testing terms, and they are as

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Speaker 4: we just saw with artificial intelligence, they're starting to produce

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Speaker 4: and innovate, not just copy and rip off the Americans,

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Speaker 4: which is something we were told they could never do.

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Speaker 4: So all this is to say, I am not of

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Speaker 4: the mind that China's going away anytime soon. Even if

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Speaker 4: it were to go away, I don't think the country

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Speaker 4: would collapse. I think possibly Jijinping. The president would go

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Speaker 4: away and be replaced probably by someone much worse for us.

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Speaker 4: And so all this is to say that China is

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Speaker 4: the existential threat of our lifetimes, and unlike the Soviet

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Speaker 4: Union of old, this country is an economic dynamo, even

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Speaker 4: if it has ups and downs. We have ups and

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Speaker 4: downs too. By the way, in our economy, nobody talks

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Speaker 4: about the American system collapsing, you know, when we went

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Speaker 4: through the Great Recession. Why do we say the same

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Speaker 4: thing about China. We probably shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how did the dynamic change? Meaning they're they're

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Speaker 1: pushing ahead while we appear to be lagging behind. Because

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Speaker 1: it's got to be more than you know, education Asians

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Speaker 1: getting PhDs. It's not exactly breaking news or something new here.

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Speaker 4: What changed, well, I think a lot of it is

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Speaker 4: what actually people like Elon Musk have been complaining about,

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Speaker 4: and this is why they formed DOGE. A lot of

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Speaker 4: this is bad government policies that have piled up for decades,

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Speaker 4: whether we're talking about education policy where we're prizing, you know,

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Speaker 4: giving everybody a medal rather than making sure people can

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Speaker 4: can pass their tests, you know, or whether we're talking

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Speaker 4: about the loocification of our children, or other things such

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Speaker 4: as I don't know, you know, having our government steming

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Speaker 4: innovation with regulations and taxes so much that American firms

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Speaker 4: prefer to go overseas and do business rather than do

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Speaker 4: it here. And so a lot of this is what

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Speaker 4: Trump and Elon have been talking about for years, and

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Speaker 4: they are finally in a position where they can start

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Speaker 4: kind of cutting back on those things and encouraging and

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Speaker 4: in some cases forcing American firms to stay in America

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Speaker 4: and do business here so that we benefit from it

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Speaker 4: and get more competitive. Another key thing is China has

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Speaker 4: consistently invested in building world class infrastructure, and in doing so,

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Speaker 4: having world class infrastructure allows for other investments to be

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Speaker 4: made and encourages real economic growth in the long term.

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Speaker 4: The United States has never has not, probably in seventy years,

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Speaker 4: done infrastructure properly. Again, that's something Trump has talked about fixing.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that with Trump and with Elon

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Speaker 4: and some of the people around Trump, I think we

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Speaker 4: might actually start getting to the point of being competitive

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Speaker 4: again with China.

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Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, wrapping this up. I've only got a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes left here. Hypersonic missiles. They concern me

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Speaker 1: when I think about our carrier based military, definitely our

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Speaker 1: carrier based Navy. It concerns me a great deal. Do

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Speaker 1: we have countermeasures? Does it concern you or is this overhyped?

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Speaker 4: I have been accused by the carrier folks at Navy

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Speaker 4: of waging a chihat against the carrier because I believe

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Speaker 4: hypersonic weapons and anti access area denial systems have rendered

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Speaker 4: the carrier obsolete. Hypersonic weapons are the game changer, and

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Speaker 4: we don't have them. China and Russia do. We're trying

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Speaker 4: to build them out. But by the way, this is

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Speaker 4: the real reason Trump's talking about iron dem If you

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Speaker 4: actually read the executive order, he mentions more than just

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Speaker 4: iron delm. He wants to build space based interceptors. That's

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Speaker 4: to combat hypersonics because right now there is no active

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Speaker 4: defense against hypersonics. The only ones that can be built

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Speaker 4: would be a space Oh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's pretty much horrifying. Brandon Wiker go read

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Speaker 1: everything he puts out there. Obviously very sharp guy, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you as always. Hey, Chris, I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to get involved in the space aspect of all

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Speaker 1: this I know I hate space, but I also like

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Speaker 1: cool stuff and I feel like I could be part

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Speaker 1: of I don't know, a design group, if you will,

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Speaker 1: designing space weapons. This is something I've been hot on

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Speaker 1: since I watched Alien for the very first time. No,

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Speaker 1: don't roll your eyes, Chris. I feel like I feel

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Speaker 1: like I have some good spaceship ideas and I don't care.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't hate space. No, I don't. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm uninterested in space. That's completely different. And

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Speaker 1: when I say space, I mean outer outer space. It's

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Speaker 1: not near space. It's just every time the scientists come

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Speaker 1: out at oh my gosh, we detected a watermelon on Uranus.

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Speaker 1: And I don't understand why that any of that would

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Speaker 1: interest me or concern me whatsoever. What, Chris, do I

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Speaker 1: want to go to Mars at the moon? No? Why

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Speaker 1: would I? Why? Why would I know? It's not because

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Speaker 1: I hate space. It's cold. I don't want to know. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm done with that now. I'm not gonna wear a jacket, Chris. See,

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