Speaker 1: Hey, that folks, fit is Saturday, August second, and the
Speaker 1: US what's the first day.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going because mistakes happened, and I want
Speaker 2: you all to know that this was happening actually on
Speaker 2: Saturday August first.
Speaker 1: We do this all the time.
Speaker 2: Is the most difficult part of every podcast episode is
Speaker 2: me getting the date right.
Speaker 3: Well, it's because you work every day.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, Hey, you all wouldn't believe the stress I'm under
Speaker 2: just to get the date right off the top, and
Speaker 2: I blew it.
Speaker 1: But hey, there it is Saturday, August.
Speaker 2: First, and today is a pretty extraordinary day because the
Speaker 2: US government has just directly and unequivocally and stunningly just
Speaker 2: admit it that the reflecting pool, all that damage had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with vandalism. It was actually a really
Speaker 2: crappy job. And with that, welcome to this Saturday August
Speaker 2: first edition of Amy A.
Speaker 1: TJ. Robes.
Speaker 2: What was already one of the most ridiculous stories of
Speaker 2: the year has just taken another absolutely stunning turn.
Speaker 4: It's kind of amazing that they admitted what we all
Speaker 4: already knew. There was no proof ever that a vandal
Speaker 4: or vandals cut a three hundred foot whatever in the
Speaker 4: middle of the Yes, in the middle of the reflecting pool.
Speaker 4: And they did it undetected because apparently there was no
Speaker 4: video proving any of this. And yes, a former three
Speaker 4: time US Olympian, I just had a hard time believing
Speaker 4: after a what was it a sixty mile bike ride, Yes,
Speaker 4: he was gonna just say, you know what I think
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna go vandalize the reflecting pool.
Speaker 3: Now that's good times that made any sense, folks.
Speaker 2: They have just dismissed the charges against David Hearn, the
Speaker 2: olymp that you mentioned, Robes. But in doing so they
Speaker 2: had to make a pretty stunning court filing because they
Speaker 2: had to explain why they brought this BS charge against
Speaker 2: him in the first place, and in doing so, Robes
Speaker 2: they had to admit they botched the job of redoing
Speaker 2: the reflecting pool. The president, if he said at once,
Speaker 2: he said it two hundred and fifty times in front
Speaker 2: of cameras.
Speaker 3: I like the number you chose.
Speaker 2: Yes, vandals did this. Left wing nuts did this. Leftists
Speaker 2: did this. That might have thrown in the word domestic
Speaker 2: terrorism at some point.
Speaker 1: Did this.
Speaker 2: Robes, They're responsible. He's a great builder. They messed up
Speaker 2: my pool. They have officially, Robes said all of that
Speaker 2: was a lie that was coming out of President's mouth.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and or he was given misinformation. That is what
Speaker 4: the US attorneys offered, is saying that they weren't given
Speaker 4: the information, and they ended up in this filing completely throwing.
Speaker 3: The Department of the Interior under the bus.
Speaker 4: Like in every way, shape or form, that is going
Speaker 4: to be the fall guy or the fall department or
Speaker 4: whoever is responsible. And I wouldn't be surprised if there
Speaker 4: aren't some heads rolling after this, because everyone needs to
Speaker 4: point the finger away from President Trump and to someone
Speaker 4: else who didn't give him the correct information.
Speaker 2: Okay, even if you didn't have that information, Robe, you
Speaker 2: also didn't have evidence of what you were saying. It
Speaker 2: did not have any evidence. Nobody so any evidence. The
Speaker 2: pool was right there in public. There's a three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty foot slit, and nobody else can see it
Speaker 2: but President Trump.
Speaker 4: The part for me was that common sense was not
Speaker 4: included in any of this because all of us lay people.
Speaker 3: Don't know anything about pool lining.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about any of that, but it
Speaker 4: was pretty obvious that what the President was saying happened
Speaker 4: couldn't have happened, at least the way he said it did.
Speaker 4: It did not make sense that there wasn't proof, that
Speaker 4: there wasn't evidence. Reporters time and time again were asking
Speaker 4: for photographic evidence. They were looking for surveillance cameras, and look,
Speaker 4: if this was happening, if there was vandalism going on,
Speaker 4: of course the media would be reporting on it. Of
Speaker 4: course this would be a huge story if someone was
Speaker 4: taking out political revenge by damaging this beautiful reflecting pool
Speaker 4: that meant so much to the president.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't the case at all, and the government
Speaker 2: has now admitted it officially. This is a line from
Speaker 2: the filing to dismiss the charges. Quote the rush to
Speaker 2: complete the project led to hasty and botched work that
Speaker 2: was not remediated before the project was finished, and the
Speaker 2: fencing removed. Almost immediately after work was initially completed, peeling
Speaker 2: was observed along the pool perimeter road. They knew within
Speaker 2: days that the stuff was coming up there.
Speaker 4: When you say they, you mean the Department of the Interior,
Speaker 4: the government, the government, Yes, because yes, this filing absolutely
Speaker 4: says it all. I mean, we don't even have to
Speaker 4: because their words are just so stunning.
Speaker 3: Was the word you used at the top. Oh, that
Speaker 3: is the best way to describe.
Speaker 2: That, because of roads, how big this story was and
Speaker 2: how much they pushed back repeatedly, and the President himself
Speaker 2: in the Oval office, how many times he blamed this
Speaker 2: on somebody else. Janine Piro, you remember that press.
Speaker 3: Conference absolutely well.
Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering, by the way, what Janine Piro's
Speaker 4: standing with President Trump is going to be after this,
Speaker 4: because she is absolutely by her own words in this
Speaker 4: filing refuting everything President Trump said was true.
Speaker 2: But she gave him an off ramp in that we
Speaker 2: didn't have all the information. So here it is from
Speaker 2: the top the filing here, and this also goes to
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna read it directly to you Ropes.
Speaker 2: It starts based upon the reports provided by the Department
Speaker 2: of Interior and the US Park Police, the United States
Speaker 2: Attorney's Office presented the grand jury with evidence that damage
Speaker 2: to the reflecting pool was caused by vandals, including the
Speaker 2: defendant in this case, David Hearn. However, it was not
Speaker 2: until after the return of the indictment that the Department
Speaker 2: of Interior provided additional documents to the Attorney's Office indicating
Speaker 2: the damage to the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool in June
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six was the result of flawed installation by
Speaker 2: the contractor and the rush to complete the project prior
Speaker 2: to events associated with America two point fifty celebration in
Speaker 2: the week's surrounding.
Speaker 1: Independence Day ropes.
Speaker 2: They're absolutely saying, we were in a hurry to get
Speaker 2: this done for the President and that is why it
Speaker 2: was jacked up.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And then it went on to say the damage
Speaker 4: was the result of a botched installation and not vandalism
Speaker 4: as initially represented by the Department of the Interior. Indeed,
Speaker 4: the US Attorney Office could only rely on the information
Speaker 4: provided by the Department of the Interior that the damage
Speaker 4: was caused entirely by vandals, including the defendant in this case,
Speaker 4: David hearn it ro This.
Speaker 2: Doesn't make you're telling So they're saying the Department of
Speaker 2: the Interior withheld information that caused us to bring a
Speaker 2: false indictment.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that is exactly what they are saying. Exactly what
Speaker 4: they were saying, and it gets worse from there. Look,
Speaker 4: they claimed that the US Attorney's Office was not made
Speaker 4: aware about any of this information until July seventeenth, and look,
Speaker 4: Jeanine Piro herself toured the drain pool, and she said
Speaker 4: she noticed the extensive damage. And that's when she requested
Speaker 4: more information from the Department of the Interior, because yeah,
Speaker 4: she's looking at it like the rest of us and saying, hmm.
Speaker 4: What I've been told was the cause doesn't actually seem
Speaker 4: possible given the extent of the damage.
Speaker 2: And at that point, this is when she said, and
Speaker 2: in this new quote, new documents indicated a rushed and
Speaker 2: flawed installation process, with repeated failures of the lining during
Speaker 2: the installation process and extensive pealing of the lining throughout
Speaker 2: the reflecting pool.
Speaker 1: Robes. This is wild. This is absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: And the best part of this robes is that the
Speaker 2: final installation in the thing was open June ninth, June eleventh.
Speaker 2: This was documented. This is a government. It was documented
Speaker 2: and sent to his superiors what he saw. Two days later.
Speaker 3: Two days after they said, we're.
Speaker 4: Good, the reflecting pool is beautiful, President Trump puts all
Speaker 4: those gorgeous photos up online. Two days later, an engineer
Speaker 4: was alerted to peeling of the reflecting pool lining.
Speaker 3: The email he sent was.
Speaker 4: At noon that day, two days after the reflecting pool
Speaker 4: was opened to another official and a Department of Interior personnel,
Speaker 4: and this is what he said, Hello, all this morning,
Speaker 4: an area of the reflecting pool coating was identified to
Speaker 4: be peeling. Staff was notified and I was able to
Speaker 4: inspect the area.
Speaker 2: He goes on in that email and he details it.
Speaker 2: This is here, this is what's happening here, This is
Speaker 2: what happened. This is why we think there was something
Speaker 2: they called over spray that shows up in this dismissal.
Speaker 2: Lie like you put too much of a layer. You're
Speaker 2: in a hurry maybe, and you're you're just layering it up.
Speaker 2: He said it was an over spray.
Speaker 4: Do you know how I can relate to that? And
Speaker 4: I think every woman listening will Sometimes when you go
Speaker 4: to the nail salon and they put one too many
Speaker 4: coats on, you actually end up it will flip off
Speaker 4: and actually peel off completely off your nail, and you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness. So I always tell them to put
Speaker 4: one less layer, because it's happened to me because somehow
Speaker 4: the extra coating lifts it off.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me they spent sixteen million dollars on this,
Speaker 1: hired all of these pool companies and all they had
Speaker 1: to do was ask any woman in the country, and
Speaker 1: you all could have told them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't put if you put one too many
Speaker 4: layers on your fingernail, it will peel off.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Every woman knows that's happened to her.
Speaker 4: You're like first, like, oh, all these are beautiful, well,
Speaker 4: my nails are kind of thick, and then boom, the
Speaker 4: next day, one of them pops off.
Speaker 1: This is what they seem to explain ropes over.
Speaker 4: As soon as you explained it, I was like, I
Speaker 4: know this phenomenon personally.
Speaker 1: Else that's what they say, And it was happening two days.
Speaker 3: Robes two days, Yes, that's about when my nail polish
Speaker 3: will flip off.
Speaker 2: Nobody had time to go decide to vandalize the damn pool. Absolutely, okay,
Speaker 2: this is an absolute exoneration of any and everybody and
Speaker 2: it is so damning.
Speaker 1: Robes, well, I'm not sure what.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the story was the other day,
Speaker 2: but the President put out a statement and I didn't
Speaker 2: want us to report it because I needed to go
Speaker 2: find confirmation or a second or third source. If it
Speaker 2: comes out of the president's mouth, we should be able
Speaker 2: to go okay, that he's not just looking us in
Speaker 2: the face and lying to us.
Speaker 1: Robes, we all knew this story didn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And here's my question. This is what I wonder.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know everyone's pointing to the Department of the Interior.
Speaker 4: They lied, or at least they didn't give information in
Speaker 4: real time that would have absolutely made a difference in
Speaker 4: terms of where this investigation went into what was happening
Speaker 4: with the reflecting pool, Right, But what if everyone is
Speaker 4: so scared of upsetting the president? What if everyone is
Speaker 4: so scared of actually telling the truth because the President
Speaker 4: will be unhappy because we'll be upset that the contractor
Speaker 4: they green lighted, or maybe even the contractor that he
Speaker 4: greenlighted wasn't up to par or wasn't good enough. And
Speaker 4: they don't want to tell him that a decision he
Speaker 4: made was bad, so they just lie to make him
Speaker 4: feel like he has a different enemy, that he doesn't
Speaker 4: have to look inward, that he doesn't have to blame himself.
Speaker 1: Ropes.
Speaker 2: No one has the ear of the president to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't think we should say or you say that
Speaker 2: right now. It might work politically, but this is going
Speaker 2: to come back and really bite us in the butt
Speaker 2: because we don't know any of that stuff you're out
Speaker 2: there saying, or you can't.
Speaker 4: How about the people who knew that it was actually
Speaker 4: botched installation after the second day speak up and till
Speaker 4: the president.
Speaker 2: Do you really imagine that engineer was allowed one anywhere
Speaker 2: near the president and two would dare open his mouth publicly?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: But I guess you're right one hundred percent. But someone
Speaker 4: somewhere made a choice not to tell the president the truth.
Speaker 2: There's someone listening, and someone who might assume that the
Speaker 2: president knew damn well what he was saying was not true,
Speaker 2: and what he was saying worked for him politically, and
Speaker 2: it covered his It covered his assertion of just how
Speaker 2: wonderful of a builder he is. He can do it
Speaker 2: what under budget, and he can do it ahead a schedule.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I am not suggesting that it couldn't have been
Speaker 4: his choice to lie, but it does seem even more
Speaker 4: reasonable that people are afraid to tell him the truth.
Speaker 1: I would buy both of those.
Speaker 2: I just know Robes what was coming out of his
Speaker 2: mouth made sense to nobody who was listening. So how
Speaker 2: did it make sense to him?
Speaker 3: Because because in his mind, he's always right.
Speaker 1: Okay, so delusional is what? Yes?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, this next bit here will share robes. This
Speaker 2: is Janine Piro's office completely throwing the Department of Interior
Speaker 2: under the bus. Robes like intentionally they are accusing them,
Speaker 2: not just of being incompetent.
Speaker 1: It sounds like to me.
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, this actually sounds like, well, she was a prosecutor,
Speaker 4: so this sounds like a prosecutor or maybe even a
Speaker 4: defense attorney upset at the prosecutor for not giving them
Speaker 4: all the information in discovery. So she knows how that
Speaker 4: game is played. And that's a lot how this reads.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 4: All of these concerns were raised by the engineer on
Speaker 4: June eleventh, eight days before the defendant was arrested, and
Speaker 4: the same day that fencing was removed from the site. However,
Speaker 4: the information subsequently demanded by the US Attorney's Office disclosed
Speaker 4: by the Department of the Interior, which was not known
Speaker 4: to the prosecutors or the grand jury before the return
Speaker 4: of the indictment, strongly suggests that a rushed and botched
Speaker 4: installation by the primary contractor led to the damage to
Speaker 4: the lining of the reflecting pool. It was not until
Speaker 4: the US Attorney's Office repeatedly reached out to the Department
Speaker 4: of the Interior dozens and dozens of times that the
Speaker 4: Department of the Interior slowly started trickling, trickling, trickling information
Speaker 4: to the US Attorney's Office.
Speaker 3: Had the Department.
Speaker 4: Of the Interior been forthcoming with the information clearly in
Speaker 4: its possession, the government would not have sought a grand
Speaker 4: jury indictment.
Speaker 2: Well, that sound like some uh you but there, because
Speaker 2: can't you get in trouble for knowingly bringing a ball diamond?
Speaker 4: Absolutely shying her and the president.
Speaker 2: She didn't have to say dozens and dozens of times
Speaker 2: she used the word trickling intentionally, Robes, they weren't forthcoming,
Speaker 2: they were not fourth coming. Well, that sounds like an
Speaker 2: intentional act. They're suggesting this was kept from us, which
Speaker 2: fooled us. So we just we just listened to what
Speaker 2: they said. Is that all it takes?
Speaker 1: Really, y'all think somebody really and I don't know who
Speaker 1: told them that.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Nobody told them that they reached that conclusion.
Speaker 2: And now they're saying there was information that proved it
Speaker 2: was something else. Roes, they weren't told that someone vandalized
Speaker 2: the joint. They just decided to reach that conclusion.
Speaker 3: Oh this just is so smelly.
Speaker 2: Well we also had got an answer though about that
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty foot slit that the President talked about.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna love this. One's there and.
Speaker 4: Oh, welcome back to Amy and DJ. We are continuing
Speaker 4: to discuss the reflecting pool woes. The good news is
Speaker 4: the man who represented the United States three times in
Speaker 4: the Olympics as a canoeist is now finally no longer
Speaker 4: facing felony charges and ten years in prison for vandalizing
Speaker 4: the reflecting pool because it turns out, yes, even the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice is admitting that it in fact was
Speaker 4: what was it botched installation and a rush job basically
Speaker 4: to complete the reflecting pool into I'm for the fourth
Speaker 4: of July, and so wow, we are having a complete
Speaker 4: about face. There's not an apology in there. There's a
Speaker 4: people have been calling this the deflection pool. Everyone's just
Speaker 4: pointing fingers and apparently it's all the Department of Interior's fault.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and that is on record. Now somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: have to get fired. Well, they did all this on
Speaker 2: a Friday.
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna have to get fired.
Speaker 1: This question is going to be asked on Monday.
Speaker 2: Yes, he gave reporters a weekend to research and do this.
Speaker 2: They have to ask some questions or robes. Will something
Speaker 2: else happen? Will another bomb drop?
Speaker 1: In? Ran to where this moves to the back?
Speaker 3: Wag the dog?
Speaker 4: Always always a strategy that you could possibly employ.
Speaker 1: I got, all right, Well, the president's three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty foot slip.
Speaker 3: I said three hundred feet, But it was three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty feet.
Speaker 1: Bro, he said, I think at one point he said
Speaker 1: two fifty and then it was it.
Speaker 3: Did all around. He's been moving it, but it's three
Speaker 3: fifty right now. That was the longest one we got.
Speaker 1: Last I heard it was a two thousand foot slip.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Is three hundred and fifty foot slit?
Speaker 4: We've been asking when I say we members of the
Speaker 4: press and we've watched in the Oval office, can we
Speaker 4: have some pictures?
Speaker 3: Can we have some photos?
Speaker 4: They asked Janine Piro, They asked President Trump and they
Speaker 4: said you'll see it when we go to court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want to go to court no more.
Speaker 2: But they say in this filing again, the filing in
Speaker 2: which they're asking for the charges to be dropped against
Speaker 2: David Hearn, they say, and this was at the an
Speaker 2: Ropes quote. Finally, a recent visual inspection showed damage throughout
Speaker 2: the reflecting pool, even in the middle of the pool,
Speaker 2: where a vandal would not likely attempt to peel the lining.
Speaker 2: Given all of this newly discovered information, it is difficult
Speaker 2: to attribute to the widespread damage to the reflecting pool
Speaker 2: to vandalism, let alone to establish the fact beyond a
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt.
Speaker 4: So that there, okay, so I feel like that means
Speaker 4: there might be a three hundred and fifty foot slit
Speaker 4: in the middle of the pool. But there's just no
Speaker 4: way in hell that could have come from a vandal
Speaker 4: And we all knew this when we heard it. That's
Speaker 4: one of the things Ropes.
Speaker 2: We all see a video and they tell us our eyes,
Speaker 2: our own eyes are lying to us. We hear a
Speaker 2: story as ridiculous as the one that they were putting
Speaker 2: out about the reflecting pool and somebody going out there
Speaker 2: with a knife and making a three hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4: Foot It was just imagining someone with like a box
Speaker 4: cutter or something and in the middle of that and
Speaker 4: just standing in the pool and the gate just going
Speaker 4: down in the middle.
Speaker 3: No one saw anyone do that, and they.
Speaker 1: Happened to do that at a time when all the
Speaker 1: cameras in Washington, DC don't work.
Speaker 3: No one had cell phones out, no one saw nothing.
Speaker 2: And then a sixty year old man on a fifty
Speaker 2: mile bike ride wants to stop by and violently pull
Speaker 2: up pieces of the pool. And yes, everything we heard,
Speaker 2: we're saying it now, you're laughing.
Speaker 1: We heard it at the time, and we were laughing.
Speaker 3: Weren't we though, kind of, but it was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: He's getting told that. We're the ridiculous ones for recognizing
Speaker 2: how stupid of a story we were being told. So
Speaker 2: this is just we all knew this. We all knew it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And I do think it's interesting because we did hear
Speaker 4: from David Hearn's attorney. We haven't heard directly from him.
Speaker 4: I can't wait until that day happens. You got to
Speaker 4: think it's going to happen soon Monday, it happens, That's exactly.
Speaker 4: But I do appreciate what his attorney said. He said,
Speaker 4: the dismissal of charges does not erase the abuse of
Speaker 4: government power in arresting and charging a patriotic American who
Speaker 4: did nothing wrong. The government's approach was ready fire aim
Speaker 4: the administration owes mister Hearne an apology.
Speaker 1: You can't argue with that. I mean, why not? Why
Speaker 1: not give him apology? Just of course? Not what am
Speaker 1: I saying?
Speaker 3: What have we heard from the White House?
Speaker 2: Nothing yet on this one. I was just checking to
Speaker 2: make sure the President hadn't done anything on truth. So
Speaker 2: now they won't. You won't hear a word about it.
Speaker 2: You gotta let it go away because the president has
Speaker 2: egg on his face, and everyone we believed you, mister president,
Speaker 2: even his people could go I believe what he was saying?
Speaker 2: Or are they going to make excuses for him again?
Speaker 2: It's it's not okay man. This guy was He represented
Speaker 2: the country on the world stage. Shouldn't we be a
Speaker 2: little better?
Speaker 3: Yes, we should, There's no question.
Speaker 4: Carolyn love Ittt absolutely is going to face that as well,
Speaker 4: so will President Trump. Don't know what their responses are
Speaker 4: going to be, but most certainly we're going to have
Speaker 4: reporters asking about this directly on Monday, if not sooner.
Speaker 1: That's too bad for this guy.
Speaker 2: He was sixty old man who got put in handcuffs,
Speaker 2: ropes in his biking outfit.
Speaker 1: That's all right, folks.
Speaker 2: Well Westery solved the title we had for this in
Speaker 2: our own personal notes at the top said new Pool Boy.
Speaker 2: So let's leave with that and laugh a little bit.
Speaker 2: But it really is a damn shame what happened in
Speaker 2: this thing. But we appreciate you as always. Folks spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time with us on t J. That's Robes.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you also.