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Speaker 2: All right, so we have a new corrupt parton coming

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Speaker 2: from the Trump administration, This one from Finance, founder commonly

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Speaker 2: known as CZ Caroline Lovett was asked to defend this deal.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take I'll listen to what you

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Speaker 2: have to.

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Speaker 3: Say on the pardon of Changping Jau and pologies i

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Speaker 3: ocing is pronouncing that name. Finance has significant business interests

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Speaker 3: with World Liberty Financial, the President's families crypto company. How

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Speaker 3: do you respond to allegations from Democrats that this is

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Speaker 3: a corrupt act?

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Speaker 4: I would respond and say, the President is exercising his

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Speaker 4: constitutional authority to grant clemency requests. And the President in

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Speaker 4: the White House have a very thorough examination of every

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Speaker 4: pardon request that comes to the President's desk. It is

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Speaker 4: thoroughly reviewed by the White House Council Office. And I

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Speaker 4: spoke with our great White House Council about the pardon

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Speaker 4: after it happened. This was an overly prosecuted case by

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration. Even the judge in the case admitted

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Speaker 4: that the Biden administration was pursuing a egregious over sentencing

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Speaker 4: of this individual. And the previous administration was very hostile

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Speaker 4: to the cryptocurrency industry. So the President wants to correct

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Speaker 4: this overreach of the Biden administration's mis justice, and he

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Speaker 4: exercised his constitutional authority to do so. And to the Democrats,

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Speaker 4: I would just say, there's nothing more corrupt than what

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Speaker 4: President Biden did on his way out the door, pardoning

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Speaker 4: his extremely corrupt son in many of his associates associates.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, So what about is I am so

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Speaker 2: sick of just so you guys, So let's put D

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Speaker 2: two up on the screen to give you guys the backstory. So,

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Speaker 2: first of all, if you're not a crypto person, finance

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Speaker 2: is some like two thirds of all crypto transactions. So

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Speaker 2: this is an incredibly powerful company that he's created. It's

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Speaker 2: also a visa or something. It's also an incredibly sketchy

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Speaker 2: you know, did a lot of digging into this character

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Speaker 2: because there were a lot of questions when SBF was

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Speaker 2: taken down and CZ was involved in that, by the way,

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Speaker 2: but then there was a bit of a run on Finance.

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Speaker 2: There's a question whether they had sufficient reserves that at

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Speaker 2: that time really didn't have any like accounting to back

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Speaker 2: up the claims that they were making publicly. Their allegation.

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Speaker 2: There were long time allegations, including some that were you

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Speaker 2: born out, and the company took action on with regard

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Speaker 2: to insider trading, because one of the things that's really

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Speaker 2: important about finance to understand here is that if they

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Speaker 2: incredibly important. So yeah, exactly, so if you have insider

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Speaker 2: knowledge that they're about to list it and they're about

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Speaker 2: The New York Times, they say mister jo had pled

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Speaker 2: guilty to money laundering violations in twenty twenty three, served

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Speaker 2: four months in federal prison after years long investigation by

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Speaker 2: financial regulators and US prosecutors. To seek the pardon, Jao

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Speaker 2: hired lawyers and lobbyists with ties the Trump administration while

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Speaker 2: Binance struck a business deal with World Liberty Financial, the

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Speaker 2: Trump family's crypto startup. This was not just any business deal,

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Speaker 2: by the way, We're talking about a two billion dollar

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Speaker 2: Mister Jow is the most powerful executive, they say, in

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Speaker 2: the crypto industry, worth an estimated eighty five billion. He

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Speaker 2: FTX that was Sam Pegman Freed's entity, the exchange that

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Speaker 2: Zach Witcoff, the son of Trump's Middle East advisor. Working

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Speaker 2: alongside that lawyer was Chess McDowell, a lawyer and lobbyist

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Speaker 5: It's not a name though, that's a made up name.

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Speaker 2: They both are, I think fake names McDowell Woody Gean

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Speaker 2: and Chesz McDowell Chez McDowell. Anyway, mister McDowell apparently spotted

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Speaker 2: did the two billion dollar deal. I'm sure that all

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Speaker 2: transparency around that certainly possible as well. And then hired

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Whitcoff.

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Speaker 6: So, Zach Witcoff is the founder of the Trump crypto

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Speaker 6: firm World Liberty Financial, and so the World Liberty financial

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Speaker 6: has hired like Ballard Partners, which is a very that's

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Speaker 6: where Pambondi and Cze Wilds had lobbied before entering the administration.

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Speaker 5: So yes, they've hired the lobbyists.

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Speaker 6: And all of that, But what does that even matter

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Speaker 6: when you're so your family is so heavily invested in

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Speaker 6: a similar well actually in something that benefits from the industry,

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Speaker 6: that CZ is so powerful that the industry benefits. Like

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Speaker 6: it's if he gets a cold, the industry, if he sneezes,

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Speaker 5: It's that type of relationship.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing I wanted to mention from the

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Speaker 6: New York Times coverage here that sorry, it's just a

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Speaker 5: Bit amusing to see it put like this.

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Speaker 6: Long considered the crypto industry's richest man, mister shaoa Chinese

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Speaker 6: he had violated the law failing to install Rigger's compliment

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Speaker 6: compliance systems at Finance that allowed people in countries under

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Speaker 6: sanctions and terrorist groups like Hamas al Keda and the

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Speaker 6: Islamic State to move money on his platforms. So while

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Speaker 6: everyone is right now calling Zoramumdani and jahadist, here you

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Speaker 6: have a man being pardoned that, according to the Times,

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Speaker 6: allowed terrorist groups like Hamas Alcada in Islamic State to

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Speaker 2: Complicit fantasting might be the word interesting. Let's put coffee

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Speaker 2: Zella's to you, guys. This is D four up on

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Speaker 2: the screen of just to give you the timeline of

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Speaker 2: like the business transactions here. Of course, he is losing

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Speaker 2: his mind over all of this, he says backstories. Dez's pardoned.

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Speaker 2: So November twenty twenty three, Binance and CZ plead guilty

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Speaker 2: four billion dollars plus fine. March twenty twenty five, Trump

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Speaker 2: World Liberty Financial launches a stable coin called USD one.

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Speaker 2: Stable coins are like back to currency, or I think

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Speaker 2: in this case, the chargery bonds. March twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Two billion dollar investment into Binance by MGX May twenty

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Speaker 2: USD one, So two billion dollars going into this wlfi's

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Speaker 2: stable coin. May twenty twenty five. CZ admits he applied

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Speaker 2: pardon result. USD one is backed by treasuries this year

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Speaker 2: old sixty to eighty million dollars per year for World

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Speaker 2: Liberty Financial so long as finance does not redeem that

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Speaker 2: two billion dollars in USD one. So he sort of

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Speaker 2: breaks down here for you, the timeline and the net

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Speaker 2: the United States, and you know, we could have pulled

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Speaker 2: and maybe we will in a future show, Tucker is

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Speaker 2: out there saying, I think that bitcoin is a CIA off,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting as well because he's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're like using this as another way to steal from

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Speaker 2: you and control you, et cetera. Trump previously had been

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Speaker 2: very skeptical of crypto. He said he didn't like that

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Speaker 2: it was a competitor to the dollar. That was his

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Speaker 2: initial instinct. Well, that instinct changed dramatically when he received

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Speaker 2: he could personally cash into the two billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: naked way for people to directly bribe him. So Trump's

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Speaker 2: personal net worth has skyrocketed. I mean most really think

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Speaker 2: about this. Most of Trump's net worth at this point

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Speaker 2: So already obviously a tremendously wealthy guy. The bulk of

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Speaker 2: his net worth is from his direct corruption during this presidency.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is Forbes in June. Crypto now accounts for

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Speaker 6: three billion of his total five point five billion lies

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Speaker 5: But what that means is it's all come just in

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Speaker 6: Like that is this is a man who has been

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Speaker 6: His entire show was based on his business success, and

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Speaker 6: now most of his net worth isn't from any of that.

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Speaker 6: It's from crypto. And of course crypto, you can argue,

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Speaker 5: Whatever. But it's it's not any It has nothing to

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with real anything. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: these are just I mean, it's just a purely imaginary. Yeah, imaginary.

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Speaker 2: You can't even call it an acid. It's just speculation.

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Speaker 2: It's just a pyramid scheme, that's all it is. But

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Speaker 2: that's why he discussed me. To hear Caroline Lovett being like, well,

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Speaker 2: what about Hunter Biden, Like Hunter Biden and his frikin

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Speaker 2: I still have a problem with it. It is nothing

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Speaker 2: compared to one of the scams that Trump has run

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Speaker 2: in the second term, one of the corrupt deals that

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Speaker 2: they have struck. It's just wild, not to mention, you know.

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Speaker 2: In the cz case demonstrates this incredibly clearly. The way

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Speaker 2: that if you get on his good side and you

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Speaker 2: hire the right people and you got enough money, the

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Speaker 2: laws don't apply to you. You can get away with whatever.

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Speaker 2: This president is actually antithetical to law and order, truly,

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Speaker 2: because yes, if you're Letitia James, he's going to dig

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Speaker 2: up some mortgage application that you made a mistake on

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Speaker 2: the other ten Republican congressmen who committed crimes. You'll get

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Speaker 2: off scott free. If you're rich enough to pay your

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Speaker 2: you'll get off scott free. It's a crime spree. It's

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Speaker 2: a open season for crime spree if you happen to

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Speaker 6: That's the other part of this, Like with some of

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Speaker 6: these Hunter Biden deals, there's a very strong evidence that

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Speaker 6: foreign policy was being manipulated by Hunter Biden laundering his

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Speaker 6: family name and selling access. This is the entire crypto

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Speaker 6: industry that Donald Trump, Like, why is is Trump making

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Speaker 8: Elizabeth Warren is spot on. Look, we have a president

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate Roe making moves on this bill. I

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it was a beautiful fall night, and you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can hear you.

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Speaker 5: You have the power, You have the power. They're everywhere

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Speaker 2: Perfect, so they're yelling at her there, do something when

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm beating this dead horse, but it just does

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Speaker 1: I hear you.

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Speaker 6: It's like when you like get your your mom is

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Speaker 5: She's like, I hear you, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I hope that it is. I

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Speaker 2: think he may be right that it is. And listen,

436
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Speaker 2: we should like let's have let's have a contest, right

437
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Speaker 2: rather than doing this, you know, lame Kathy Hochel Andrew Cuomo,

438
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden style of politics, like let's embrace the new

439
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Speaker 2: young wave of left populism and but apologetically so and

440
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Speaker 2: see like see how people respond to it, because thus far,

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Speaker 2: what we see is Bernie Sanders the most popular politician

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Speaker 2: in the country. Zorn is an up and coming like

443
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Speaker 2: rock star in the country. You've got Graham Platter, in

444
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Speaker 2: spite of all of his things, coming out of nowhere

445
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Speaker 2: to challenge is sitting governor of Maine, and it lived

446
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: two out of the three of the polls are to

447
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Speaker 2: be believed winning that show down thus far. So maybe

448
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Speaker 2: this is the new direction of the Democratic Party, and

449
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Speaker 2: if so, I think it has a lot more promise,

450
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Speaker 2: certainly than the old direction. Emblematic of course, of that

451
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Speaker 2: version of the Democratic Party is AOC who was there

452
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Speaker 2: last night and gave a barn burner of a speech.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to one of her highlights.

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Speaker 9: City was built by the Irish escaping fan and Italians

455
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Speaker 9: fleeing fascism, to the escaping Holocaust, Black Americans fleeing sand

456
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Speaker 9: slavery and Jim Crow, Latinos sin seeking a better life,

457
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Speaker 9: Native being Tho standing for themselves. Asian Americans coming together

458
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Speaker 9: in Queens in Brooklyn is like Broxen.

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Speaker 2: It's sub violent in this country, so crowd obviously roaring,

460
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Speaker 2: and I think this will this will fit together with

461
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Speaker 2: the next piece that we're going to do on Zora

462
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Speaker 2: and all this like islamophobic bullshit, calling him a jihadist,

463
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Speaker 2: et cetera. But what she is laying out there is

464
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Speaker 2: the pluralistic vision of America, which is direct contrast to

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Speaker 2: the increasingly like blood and soil nationalist vision of America

466
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Speaker 2: that's being asserted not just by the Trump administration but

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Speaker 2: increasingly by like right wing influencers who are being quite

468
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Speaker 2: overt at this point that like, white people built this country,

469
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Speaker 2: it's a country for white people. If you aren't white,

470
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Speaker 2: you come under suspicion. If you weren't born here or

471
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Speaker 2: your family hasn't been here for multi general generations, we

472
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Speaker 2: can denaturalize you. You aren't a true American. Really rewriting

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Speaker 2: the conception of, you know, how people have thought about

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Speaker 2: America for a number of years at this point, and

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Speaker 2: a theme of you know, how people have thought about

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Speaker 2: America from the beginning, not that there's always been you know,

477
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Speaker 2: complete alignment in that view. But so what AOC is

478
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Speaker 2: laying out there, I think is a very important contrast

479
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Speaker 2: in the vision for what the country is and what

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Speaker 2: it means viz.

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Speaker 1: A VI.

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Speaker 2: The vision that's being asserted and trying to be made

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Speaker 2: reality by this administration right now.

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Speaker 6: For Democrats and Democratic socialists, there's quite a lesson to

485
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Speaker 6: be taken from what happened during Trump one point zero

486
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Speaker 6: and then Biden, because backlash and polling to Trump's immigration

487
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Speaker 6: policies inspired a fairly dramatic, what's the right word like

488
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Speaker 6: liberalization of the Democratic Party's immigration policies. And this is

489
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Speaker 6: where like Zoron's really going to have to sell because

490
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Speaker 6: in New York City there was a lot of backlash

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Speaker 6: to the Biden immigration policies, which is why Eric Adams

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Speaker 6: sort of changed his own tune on it and the

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Speaker 6: asylum all of that, like the hotels, this was you know,

494
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Speaker 6: there significant backlash in New York City.

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Speaker 5: And so that means.

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Speaker 6: If someone wants to he's been talking about how he

497
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Speaker 6: wants to make New York or wants to keep New

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Speaker 6: York as like a sort of prominent sanctuary city, is

499
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Speaker 6: a great sanctuary city, I think that is a you know,

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Speaker 6: obviously I have deep political disagreements with that, but I

501
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Speaker 6: really think that's going to be kind of interesting to

502
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Speaker 6: watch because he's a great political salesman.

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Speaker 5: And if that's I mean, if that's what Zura, Momdanni

504
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Speaker 5: and AOC want.

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Speaker 6: They do have to sort of come up with a

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Speaker 6: different way to sell it because what happened before didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Well, Trump is making that sales pitch for them, Mark,

508
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Speaker 2: That's that's absolutely true because you know, I mean people

509
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Speaker 2: say Chicago also a sanctuary city, and you know, you

510
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: see the scenes coming out of there of people just

511
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Speaker 2: being harassed or even assaulted just because of the shade

512
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Speaker 2: of their skin, based on absolutely no evidence that they're

513
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Speaker 2: here illegally, let alone that they've amitted any sort of crime. Obviously,

514
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: the apartment raid, pulling all sorts of American citizens out

515
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Speaker 2: on the street in their underwear in the middle of

516
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Speaker 2: the night and restling zip time, their kids, oring U

517
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Speaker 2: haul vans, all of these abuses are playing out, and

518
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Speaker 2: you know, I fully expect Trump to, you know, move

519
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Speaker 2: on New York in the same fashion. So I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think Trump is making the pitch for

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Speaker 2: them of like Okay, So there was dissatisfaction over you know,

522
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Speaker 2: the the immigrants were busted in buy and large by

523
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Speaker 2: Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and that creates, you know, this

524
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Speaker 2: friction in the city of Okay. Well, what do we

525
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Speaker 2: do with this influx of people, and how do we

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Speaker 2: handle them, and how do we you know, integrate them

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Speaker 2: into the city. And many of them don't have work permits,

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Speaker 2: so they're like sort of inherently dependent on the on

529
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Speaker 2: the government to provide for them, et cetera. So you

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Speaker 2: had that, but then when you see the cost of

531
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Speaker 2: this insane militarized crackdown, you know, I think the certainly

532
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Speaker 2: the New York City public is already going to be

533
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Speaker 2: on board for sanctuary policy. We already see a back

534
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Speaker 2: against the raids that they've done in the city thus far,

535
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Speaker 2: the actions at the you know, the courthouse downtown where

536
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: they're just immigrants who are coming in and we're like

537
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: doing the thing and going to the court dates like

538
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: they're supposed to, are then getting swept up and detained,

539
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: assaulted at times, et cetera. So you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that that sort of sales pitch has already happened in

541
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Speaker 2: an important sense. We can put E four up on

542
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Speaker 2: the screen. We do have some early voting results just

543
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Speaker 2: in terms of the burrows that are surging. So top

544
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: line here is Brooklyn. People living in Brooklyn are voting

545
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Speaker 2: their asses off and that is Zoron's best burrow.

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Speaker 6: Laid off vice employees are coming in strong.

547
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: Are coming and strong. And then the second best borough

548
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Speaker 2: for Zoran judging by the primary is Queens and Queen's

549
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: is also voting at extraordinary levels. Next is Manhattan, then

550
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Speaker 2: Staten Island than the Bronx are the two lowest performing

551
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Speaker 2: burrows and those are also Zorons to twists two lowest

552
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Speaker 2: performing burrows. So who knows, maybe this is just the

553
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Sliwa surge could be, but it's looking like this turnout

554
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: seems to indicate that Zoron is cleaning up. And it

555
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Speaker 2: would not surprise me if he outperforms the polls again,

556
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Speaker 2: because he did during the primary. He unperformed the polls

557
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Speaker 2: by like, I don't know, twelve points, so at least

558
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: twelve to fifteen points in the primary because he changed

559
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: the electorate, and so it would not it would not

560
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: be a shock if there was another polling under performance

561
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: because he is a politician that brings down a different

562
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: electorate than polsters are really able to capture, very trump

563
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: like in that way where you know it's it's predominantly

564
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: young people right who normally pollsters discount feel like Okay,

565
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: they don't turn out that much. And this is a

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Speaker 2: general election in a New York City mayor's race, where

567
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: typically the general election is a foregone conclusion, and yet

568
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: there's all this energy and interest around it. So that

569
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: creates a totally different political landscape. So I would not

570
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Speaker 2: be shocked at all if you know Zorin already the

571
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Speaker 2: polls show him winning by anywhere from like ten to

572
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Speaker 2: twenty points. I would not be shocked at all if

573
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Speaker 2: he outperforms the average of the polls right now too.

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Speaker 6: It's so I'm looking at this pole that Producer Griffin

575
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Speaker 6: flagged over the weekend because it's it's just so funny,

576
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Speaker 6: so rich that mam Donnie versus Sliwah is more competitive

577
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 6: for Sliwaw than mam Donnie versus Cuomo Slewa head to

578
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Speaker 6: head with Sora, mam Donni is doing better than Cuomo.

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Speaker 2: I think it's my like one point, but it's still amazing.

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Speaker 5: Right because it's two points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, think of how contrary that is to all of

582
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Speaker 2: the standard issue political logic that like Cuomo's the guy

583
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Speaker 2: has to be Quomas Cuomo versus zor On Cuomo could win.

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Speaker 2: It's like, actually all long. You know, first of all,

585
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Speaker 2: do you not understand how hated this guy is? Do

586
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: not understand how incredibly lame he is and lazy by

587
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: the way, and what a bad campaign he's running, and

588
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: you still think like he's the guy where you want

589
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: to send all of your millions and put all of

590
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Speaker 2: your hopes into.

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Speaker 6: Yep, and he's so that poll actually had eight point

592
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Speaker 6: five percent of the electorate undecided, which is that's a

593
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 6: pretty significant chunk of the electorate if that poll is correct. Now,

594
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 6: again to Crystal's point, polling in New York City races

595
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 6: can be really difficult.

596
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 5: So we'll see where it ends up going.

597
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 6: But that is for Cuomo, I mean, the primary should

598
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 6: have been enough to embarrass him out of politics, out

599
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 6: of public life, truly, because of what the situation that

600
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 6: he put Democrats in by running and trying to consolidate

601
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Speaker 6: all of the money and then losing to a thirty

602
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Speaker 6: three year old Democratic Socialist state senator.

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Speaker 5: And yet he persisted, nevertheless, nevertheless, he purchased.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, there's been a subplot I don't know if it's

605
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: a subplot or a four plot anyway playing out in

606
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: this race as well, though, because Zoran has been really

607
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Speaker 2: throughout the campaign, it attacked an extremely racist way just

608
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: because of him being Muslim. Cuomo was on this radio

609
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: show and the radio host said something like, oh my god,

610
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Speaker 2: can you imagine if Zoron had been mayor during nine

611
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: to eleven, And then the host was like, oh, he

612
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: would have been cheering, and Cuoma just chuckles along with this,

613
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: right disgusting stuff. Sooren actually was in New York City

614
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven. He was a kid, and he

615
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: was horrified by it, as everyone was. Sleea said something like, oh,

616
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: we can't allow New York City to become Europe. So

617
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: this really this is their final push. Like everything they've

618
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: thrown at Zoron has completely failed. All of the supposed

619
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Speaker 2: scandals they tried to dig up have been complete nothing burgers.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 5: The latest I saw like.

622
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Speaker 2: Someone was posting, oh my god, he had sushi at

623
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Speaker 2: a nice restaurant with his wife. Can you believe the

624
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: socialist like eats nice sushi. The other one that I

625
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: just saw was some repuire New York Times or something

626
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: like this reporting on when he ran for school president

627
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: and promised juice and wasn't able to fulfill his promises

628
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: like this, this is what they've got on this guy. Okay,

629
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: so they've just decided to go to complete naked islamophobiaan

630
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: racism in the final phase. And Zorn, who has tried

631
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Speaker 2: to really keep his yeah as a democratic socialist, try

632
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: to keep his program incredibly universalists, felt the need like, Okay,

633
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: I got a stand up for myself. I've got to

634
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Speaker 2: stand up for Muslims in the city. And so he

635
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: gave a speech talking about these attacks and what they mean.

636
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Speaker 2: And like I said, trying to speak up for Muslims

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Speaker 2: in the city. Let's go ahead and take a listen

638
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Speaker 2: to a bit of that.

639
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Speaker 11: Yesterday Andrew Cuomo laughed and agreed when a radio host

640
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Speaker 11: said that I would cheer another nine to eleven. Yesterday,

641
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Speaker 11: Eric Adams said that we can't let our city become Europe.

642
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 11: He compared me to violent extremists, and he lied again

643
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Speaker 11: and again when he said that our movement seeks to

644
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Speaker 11: burn churches and destroy communities. The day before that, Kurtis

645
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Speaker 11: Sliwa slandered me from the debate stage when he claimed

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Speaker 11: that I support global jihad and every day super pac

647
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 11: ads imply that I am a terrorist or mock the

648
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Speaker 11: way I eat push polls that ask New Yorkers questions

649
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Speaker 11: like whether they support invented proposals to make halal food mandatory,

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Speaker 11: or political cartoons that represent my candidacy as an airplane

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Speaker 11: hurtling towards the World Trade Center. But I do not

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Speaker 11: want to use this moment to speak to them any further.

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Speaker 11: I want to use this moment to speak to the

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Speaker 11: Muslims of New York City. I want to speak to

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Speaker 11: the memory of my aunt who stopped taking the subway

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Speaker 11: after September eleventh because she did not feel safe in

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Speaker 11: her head, Jap. I want to speak to the Muslim

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Speaker 11: who works for our city, whether they teach in our

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Speaker 11: schools or walk the beat for the NYPD, New Yorkers

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Speaker 11: who all make daily sacrifices for the city they call home,

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Speaker 11: only to see their leaders spit in their face.

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Speaker 2: So you can see Emily him being very emotional there.

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Speaker 2: What did you think of his decision to address this

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Speaker 2: at the end of the race, which I think entails

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Speaker 2: some risks, you know, I mean, up to this point

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Speaker 2: his approach had been I'm just going to kind of

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Speaker 2: like ignore that this is happening, stay above the fray,

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Speaker 2: like you said before, he tries to keep his campaignlessly positive,

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Speaker 2: you know, always always smiling, always putting forward like a

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Speaker 2: positive vision for the future, even as he has come

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Speaker 2: under you know, incredibly ugly attacks. I remember the Cuomo

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Speaker 2: people in the primary too. They're putting out these mailers

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Speaker 2: where they like lengthened his beard and darkened his skin

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Speaker 2: again to try to make him look like some scary gihattis.

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Speaker 5: We do that with Sager, by the way, and all

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Speaker 5: of our promotional graphics.

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Speaker 2: Just just to help me to win the debates with him.

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Speaker 2: Just give me that little bit of an edge. But

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Speaker 2: you know, you had, you had that you have you had.

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Speaker 2: And this is not just coming from Republicans, by the way,

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Speaker 2: this is this is Quomo was allegedly them. Right, here's

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Speaker 2: some jilibrand calling him a jehattist.

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Speaker 5: Barth's originally came from the Clayton campaign.

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Speaker 2: So it's been bipartisan ugliness. And there's also I mean,

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Speaker 2: not that anyone cares about like philosophical consistency. But on

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Speaker 2: the one hand they're like, he's so far left in

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Speaker 2: the queer liberation and here's I know, and on the

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Speaker 2: other hand, he's like ushering in Shuria loss, which is it? Guys,

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Speaker 2: come on, which is it?

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Speaker 6: This is the And actually from someone who is like

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Speaker 6: very skeptical about political Islam, my argument to a least

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Speaker 6: staphonic rocking around calling him a jahadist is that you're like,

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Speaker 6: politically that is insane. What you are doing is softening

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Speaker 6: it so that if you actually had somebody who was

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Speaker 6: like a Sharia follower who ran for office, that has

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Speaker 6: no meaning anymore, just like all of the other terms

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Speaker 6: that were leveled that people like a last staphonic and

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Speaker 6: she argued against it lost so much of their meeting

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Speaker 6: because they were just being tossed around to people who

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Speaker 6: you thought like her. Let's say her argument against Zuramamdanni

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Speaker 6: would be.

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Speaker 5: He is going to.

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Speaker 6: Give aid and comfort to Jahadists. That is different than

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Speaker 6: him being a jihadist. Even if you believe that argument,

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Speaker 6: which I don't believe that argument though.

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Speaker 5: We probably would disagree on his mom photo op and

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Speaker 5: all of that. But like, you are completely you're completely

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Speaker 5: making that term like meaningless.

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Speaker 6: If you were callings around Momdani who's marching in the

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Speaker 6: pride parades a jodice, like stop it.

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Speaker 5: That is so stupid and it.

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Speaker 6: Is so counterproductive on the political level with that speech.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was really interesting because one thing that

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Speaker 6: he's careful to do is always be a glass half

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Speaker 6: full guy. Yeah, I don't blame anyone, especially people, you know,

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Speaker 6: like even even women who run for office, Like I

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Speaker 6: don't blame anyone for seeing the world as glass half

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Speaker 6: full after going through that experience, or glass half empty.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry when you're in the middle of an experience

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Speaker 6: like that. But politically, it's one of his benefits that

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Speaker 6: he actually gives New Yorkers a ton of credit, and

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Speaker 6: he always sees New York.

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Speaker 5: As glass half full.

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Speaker 6: And so I think the implication of that speech was

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Speaker 6: truly I forget I should have pulled out one of

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Speaker 6: the lines in particular, but truly that New York is

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Speaker 6: a place where people experience deep, widespread Islamophobia. And that

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Speaker 6: isn't to discredit Islamophobia that people actually experience in New York.

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Speaker 5: But I think he has been careful.

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Speaker 6: This is just the political strategy of it to give

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Speaker 6: New Yorker's a lot of credit, to give Americans a

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Speaker 6: lot of credit, and to always be like Sunnying optimistic.

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Speaker 6: So I don't blame anyone for not being sundy and

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Speaker 6: optimistic politically. I thought that was just a it was

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Speaker 6: a different approach from him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you blame him when Randy Fine, member

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Speaker 2: of Congress is right now attempting to denaturalize him. No, no,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's of course, and that's what

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Speaker 2: he's been called the Jahadist exactly. And that's the thing is,

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Speaker 2: like there has been an upsurge in Islamophobia in a

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Speaker 2: truly again bipartisan way post October seventh that has resulted

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Speaker 2: in Now, I mean, I see mediiss On all day

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Speaker 2: long getting told like we're going to denaturalize you. Will

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Speaker 2: Chamberlain and all these characters, Matt Walsh like going a

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Speaker 2: war with him, and we're going to denaturalize you, and

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Speaker 2: you're not a real American and we want you out

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Speaker 2: of our country. Blah blah blah. This is just commonplace discourse,

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Speaker 2: mainstream discourse. Now that happens to be coming from the right.

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Speaker 2: But as I said, you have you know, plenty of

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Speaker 2: Democrats who have indulged in this as well, because they

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Speaker 2: can't defend Israel anymore, so instead they have to smear

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Speaker 2: and dehumanize Muslims, in particular and Arab Arab Muslims specifically,

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Speaker 2: but Muslims in particular. And so this is the reality

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Speaker 2: of America that we live in. And so, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it makes sense for him to address that

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Speaker 2: directly because I think that he's probably speaking to a

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Speaker 2: lot of people and the way that they feel their

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Speaker 2: grasp on being, you know, considered real Americans and a

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Speaker 2: full part of the fabric of society kind of slipping

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Speaker 2: away from them, and that even Democrats who in the

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Speaker 2: past have defended them are sort of allowing that to occur.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, we have Bill Maher, who you know,

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Speaker 2: is taking a similar attack on his show, attacking Zoran

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Speaker 2: for being a citizen of Uganda and like really blaming

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Speaker 2: Zoran for the policies that are emplaced in the in Uganda,

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Speaker 2: as if he has any power control over that or

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Speaker 2: supports those policies. Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to E seven.

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Speaker 10: The issue now that Andrew Cuomo is bringing up in

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Speaker 10: New York is that he is a Ugandan citizen. You

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Speaker 10: Ganda is a country where they kill homosexuals.

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Speaker 2: So somebody who is a dual citizen can't be Mayor

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Speaker 2: of New.

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Speaker 10: York or I would renounce if I was a dual

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Speaker 10: citizen with a country whose policy, the government policy was

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Speaker 10: we kill homosexuals. Yeah, I would renounce that citizenship.

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Speaker 5: I don't and to not And I also.

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Speaker 2: Thinks buying into a fear I think that is buying

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Speaker 2: into a fear framework that is.

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Speaker 5: Good for the country.

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Speaker 2: It is not good for the country.

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Speaker 5: You shouldn't be afraid.

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Speaker 2: I think the way that I think, the way that

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Speaker 2: Cuomo is closing out this race and really and really

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Speaker 2: race baiting and really leaning in on that's not you

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Speaker 2: know what.

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Speaker 10: Just because done for the country, I understand, But just

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Speaker 10: because something is done by people in Africa doesn't mean

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Speaker 10: it's always okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, I am going to guess Emily that Bill Maher

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Speaker 2: has not had any problem with the Israeli dual citizens

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Speaker 2: in the country or indicated that, you know, they're continued

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Speaker 2: Israeli citizensinship would indicate that they you know, for sure,

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Speaker 2: support a genocide, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Crystal Israel has the greatest pride parade. Have you heard

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Speaker 5: about the tell Avi Pride padge?

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Speaker 2: Many times? Actually, weirdly a lot. I've heard about the

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Speaker 2: tel Aviv Pride.

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Speaker 5: Have you heard about the Ugandan Pride Priod.

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Speaker 6: Probably not so.

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Speaker 5: Now you can see Bill Maher's logic.

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Speaker 2: You're giving me something to chew on.

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Speaker 5: Here, something to think about, something to think about.

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Speaker 6: Uh, when I'm siding with Kate Baddingfield in an exchange,

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Speaker 6: something's going wrong.

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Speaker 2: We've gone off the rails airs. All right, Well, we

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Speaker 2: promise KJP. So let's get to KJP.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it well.

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Speaker 6: As Karine Jean Pierre continues her book tour, which has

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Speaker 6: been a wild ride already, she stopped by MSNBC and

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Speaker 6: got pressed specifically, this has been a long time coming.

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Speaker 5: In the last week of.

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Speaker 6: Her book tour, she really had not faced this level

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Speaker 6: of questioning over the Biden administration's policy on Israel and Gaza.

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Speaker 5: She got pressed by Aman Moildan on it this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a look.

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Speaker 12: You stood at the White House podium speaking on behalf

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Speaker 12: of the administration. You defended US policy in Gaza at

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Speaker 12: a time where there were massivilian casualties, journalists being killed,

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Speaker 12: whole families being wiped out, hospitals being bombed, and the

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Speaker 12: international community was calling it what it was at the time,

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Speaker 12: saying was a violation. It was war crimes. And you

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Speaker 12: defended the administration's policy. When you look back at that moment,

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Speaker 12: do you regret any of the positions that you advocated

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Speaker 12: for on behalf of the administrations, the positions you take.

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Speaker 12: Do you feel that you were complicit in advocating a

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Speaker 12: narrative that turned out to be wrong.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 13: I appreciate the question because one thing that I really

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Speaker 13: want to make clear is that I was speaking on

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Speaker 13: behalf of the president. That is the job of the

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Speaker 13: White House Press secretary. I'm not speaking for Korean John Pierre.

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Speaker 13: I was speaking for Joe Biden. That's every White House

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Speaker 13: Press secretary.

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Speaker 5: That is their job.

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Speaker 12: Well, you said you see it for yourself, so wait,

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Speaker 12: let me finish. No, No, no, I just want to

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Speaker 12: because they're always out a time, I just go ahead.

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Speaker 10: I get to it.

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Speaker 13: Obviously, what's happening is heartbreaking, heartbreaking, and to not say

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Speaker 13: that and not to be clear about the devastation and

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Speaker 13: the killings that we're seeing of families is just heartbreaking.

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Speaker 13: And I would say is that is not the way

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Speaker 13: I believe people wanted it to turn out. But I

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Speaker 13: didn't make policy. The President is going to write his book,

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Speaker 13: he will speak to his policy I'm going to let

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Speaker 13: his foreign policy team speak to that, but it is

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Speaker 13: heartbreaking and I'm hoping that the ceasefire holds. We need

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Speaker 13: to get to a peaceful situation in the Middle East,

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Speaker 13: to it's peace agreement, and I know that's going to

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Speaker 13: take a lot of hard work. But of course that's

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Speaker 13: not what I want to see.

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Speaker 6: I mean, neileda stuck the landing ten out of ten,

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Speaker 6: couldn't have been, couldn't have gone.

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Speaker 5: Better for her? Everyone's buying the book now.

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Speaker 2: And Aman followed back up and said, Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: You were speaking for the president. Now you're speaking for

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Speaker 2: yourself and still deflection along with some way of working

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Speaker 2: in her, you know, trailblazing identity into all of this

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Speaker 2: as well. And I don't know this the book her

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Speaker 2: as a person, All of it is like tailor made

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Speaker 2: to drive me insane, because you know, I knew her

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Speaker 2: a little bit when I was at MSNBC and she

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Speaker 2: came out of like the move on activist world. I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, how does this happen? And the answer actually

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Speaker 2: is contained in the book. The answer is she doesn't

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Speaker 2: care about policy or like anything. Apparently she left Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party because not because of any of like the obvious

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00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: reasons why one mic, yes, but because she felt they

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Speaker 2: treated Joe Biden poorly.

871
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Speaker 6: The Democratic Party was insufficiently pro Biden, you know, it

872
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 6: clung until the bitter end until he glitched in a debate.

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00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: So now she's framing herself as a quote unquote independent

874
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: who's left the Democratic Party because it was too insufficiently

875
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: loyal to this doddering, narcissistic old man who's facilitating a genocide.

876
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that she's pissed about in

877
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: the book, apparently is that they weren't sufficiently deferential to

878
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Again, not based on any like merit, anything

879
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris had really done or achieved, but just

880
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: the fact that she was also a historic you know,

881
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: identity like higher yes, and had happened to be next

882
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: in line. Like so those are the things that she

883
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: was mad about. And it's like, I don't know, it's

884
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: such to me a perfect insolation of this particular mode

885
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: of girl boss and boy boss politics. Yes, where it's

886
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: about for you your own personal like ambition and fulfillment,

887
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: and the voters are there as a vehicle for like

888
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: the you know, the grandeur of Kamala Harris, or of

889
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, or of Joe Biden, or of Kareem Jean Pierre. Yeah,

890
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: that's what she thought the party was supposed to be.

891
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: And that when the voters didn't obediately fall in line,

892
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: and when there were other factions, by the way of

893
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: Democratic elites as well, who were like, we are going

894
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: to lose to Donald Trump with this man, we have

895
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: to do something. She found that was what she found

896
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: so offensive she could no longer be part of this party.

897
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Speaker 6: Well, and Crystal, you teased this masterful Washington Post book

898
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Speaker 6: review Independent top of the show.

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Speaker 5: But let's get to it.

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00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 6: We can put it up on the screen because what

901
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 6: Chrystal was just saying is actually encapsulated itself. In this

902
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 6: outline from the review, which we should credit the author

903
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 6: Becca Rothfeld for writing, she says, i'mpire is an artifact

904
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 6: of an age that looks recent on paper but feels

905
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 6: prehistoric in practice. The age of pantsuits, the word empowerment,

906
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 6: the musical Hamilton, the cheap therapeutic entreaties to work on

907
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 6: yourself and lean into various corporate abysses. Independent is written

908
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 6: in the outmoded register of one of those lawn signs

909
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 6: proclaiming that in this house, we believe kindness is everything,

910
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 6: which had been firmly planted to no tangible electoral effect

911
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 6: since twenty sixteen. And what I think is stands out

912
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 6: from that observation, Crystal is you mentioned KJP doesn't particularly

913
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 6: care about policy, and that's astute because it seems like

914
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 6: what she cares about is identity. And it seems like

915
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: the best of takeaway, or one of the better takeaways

916
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 6: from that era, is how everything else was subjugated to

917
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 6: identity in democratic politics. And when you subjugate everything else

918
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 6: to identity, I think actually it's why when you and

919
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 6: Soccer were hosting Rising originally it took off. I think

920
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 6: is why Breaking Points took off is because it was

921
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 6: saying that's shallow. There are serious material concerns, spiritual concerns

922
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Speaker 6: downstream of that, and all you care about is identity.

923
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 6: You've seen it over and over again in Queen John

924
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 6: Pierre's interview. She's tried to kind of block and tackle

925
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 6: by saying I am a black queer woman, and that

926
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 6: falls completely flat now in a way that it wouldn't

927
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Speaker 6: have in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Progress. Yeah, Yeah, let's put the next piece up on

929
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: the screen. This other quote from this article. Really, you

930
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: got to read the whole review because every word is delicious.

931
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: But it's a little too long to read all of

932
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: it on air. But let me just read this part.

933
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Speaker 2: Imagine parting ways with the Democratic Party. Not because of

934
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: its unwavering support of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin that now

935
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: is eviolated international law in wage a bloody campaign against

936
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: civilians in Gaza. Not because of its humiliating failure to

937
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Speaker 2: mount meaningful opposition the Trump administrations assault on just about

938
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: everything of value in the country. Not because it continues

939
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: to run candidates in their seventies and eighties, one of

940
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Speaker 2: whom opted to die in office at ninety rather than

941
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: seed her seat to someone Youngerana. Not yeah, Not because

942
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Speaker 2: of its inability to expand access to healthcare, or protect immigrants,

943
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Speaker 2: tax wellby, or really get anything done at all. Not

944
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Speaker 2: because of its politely noncommittal affect and rhetoric of facile uplift,

945
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: or its members tendency to address the public as if

946
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: they're delivering the keynote at a corporate retreat. Not because

947
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: the Democrats have no political vision. Something of a liability

948
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Speaker 2: for a political party, but rather because of the single sensible,

949
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: if very belated thing they have done in recent memory,

950
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Speaker 2: which was to usher a dottering Joe Biden out of

951
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four presidential race. So she left the

952
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: Democratic Party not because of its many failing but because

953
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: of the one halfway intelligent thing, halfway moral thing that

954
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: they did in the you know, past little stretch. That's

955
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: the thing that was the straw that broke the camel

956
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: camel's back for her. So, I mean, it sounds like

957
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: it is just a platitude laden, like vacuous black hole

958
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: of thought based on this review and others that I've

959
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: seen too commenting who actually, you know, read the whole thing. Sorry, guys,

960
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to subject myself to that, but it

961
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Speaker 2: really is. I guess it's heartening in a sense that, yeah,

962
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: these arguments from her at this point that we should

963
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Speaker 2: have just back Kama Harris because she was next in

964
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Speaker 2: line and there shouldn't have been It's good that voters

965
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Speaker 2: didn't have any process and how dare you even think

966
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: that maybe there should have been voter input to this?

967
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: And you know, and that all of her facilitating and

968
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: running cover for genocide should be forgiven because she was

969
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: just speaking for the president. Oh, by the way, did

970
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: you know I'm a queer black woman. I mean, all

971
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: of this does such a disservice to to the many

972
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Speaker 2: extraordinary and accomplished and morally courageous black women and people

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Speaker 2: of color that are out there, like for you to

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Speaker 2: claim the mantle like you represent all of them when

975
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Speaker 2: you were both a you know, like a failure at

976
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: the skill level, and which is why John Kirby had

977
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: to be broad in count to save your asses, and

978
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: a failure most importantly on a moral level, and continue

979
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: to be a failure on the moral level even now

980
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: when you're not when you're detachment, the administration can speak

981
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: plainly about what you actually think about these things, like

982
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: how dare you hold yourself out as some beacon of

983
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: any identity group when you have failed in such key

984
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: and critical regards at a really critical moment for the country.

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Speaker 6: And this is the problem with subjugating content to identity

986
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: and subjugating substance to identities that you end up actually

987
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 6: undercutting the work that people who have those identities actually contributing.

988
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 6: And it was the same problem with Kamala Harris and

989
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 6: the Biden administration couldn't. They were so attached to these

990
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 6: identity politics that when it was obvious Kamala Harris was

991
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 6: not the best candidate that Democrats could have run. When

992
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 6: it was obvious Kreen John Pierre, who had been much

993
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 6: touted for her identity politics, being the first lesbian in

994
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 6: the role and I think the first black woman in

995
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 6: the role, they had touted that so much that when

996
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: John Kirby was clearly the better candidate to replace her,

997
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 6: they couldn't because they would be then box themselves into

998
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 6: the corner based on their own arguments of replacing a

999
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 6: black queer woman with a straight white man. And you

1000
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 6: can't do that, even if it's better for Democrats, even

1001
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 6: if it's better for the party that you're somebody who

1002
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 6: can competently make the message of the party or sell

1003
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 6: the message of the party to the public, couldn't do it.

1004
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's be clear. I mean, he's morally disgusting

1005
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: and abhorrent. But if you're just talking about technical skills,

1006
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: technical skill, yeah, I mean, and yeah, And that's that's

1007
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: what it really comes down to, is like, Okay, let's

1008
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: not ask the question the like identity characteristics of the

1009
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: person in power. Let's ask the question of what that

1010
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: person is doing for the various groups that we care

1011
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: about and for the country as a whole, like that is.

1012
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: And so that's why it ties in so closely with

1013
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: the politics of personal ambition, where everything is about like

1014
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: the fulfillment of this powerful person's dream for their life,

1015
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: you know. And and how dare you get in the

1016
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: way of whatever like achievement, ambitious achievement they wanted to

1017
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: claim for themselves. And if they don't make it, it's

1018
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: because the voters didn't understand their greatness, not because they

1019
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: had any failings.

1020
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Speaker 5: No, it's so true.

1021
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 6: Wygol highlighted he read it so that we don't have

1022
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Speaker 6: to Dave Weigel of Semaphore.

1023
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, he says.

1024
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 6: The knock on KJP was that she was a lightweight

1025
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 6: who had to be layered by John Kirby, and her

1026
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 6: response is posted this excerpt from the book. Alicia Keys,

1027
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 6: the singer and Broadway producer, said DEI is not a threat,

1028
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 6: it's a gift. Shakira, the Latin American superstar, dedicated her

1029
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 6: award to her immigrant brothers and sisters, saying they didn't

1030
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 6: stand alone do it Chi, a brilliant up and coming

1031
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 6: artist who won Best Rap Album, told all the black

1032
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 6: women seeing her on stage, like on the Grammy stage,

1033
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 6: that they should take that as evidence that anything is possible.

1034
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Speaker 6: Pop superstar and actress Lady Gaga, who won the award

1035
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: for Best Pop Duo or Group for a song she

1036
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 6: performed with Bruno Mars why she needed to mention that,

1037
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Speaker 6: I don't know gave a shout out to.

1038
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Speaker 5: The trans of queer communities during her acceptance remarks. That's

1039
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 5: her argument.

1040
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay, okay is closed.

1041
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 5: What the hell again? This is somebody whose job was.

1042
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 6: To be a person evasive messenger, falling back on someone

1043
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 6: who won the award for Best Pop Duo or Group

1044
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: First Song she performed with Bruno Mars. Lest you mistake

1045
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 6: Lady Gaga for somebody who did not win Best Pop

1046
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 6: Duo or Group First Song she performed with Bruno Mars.

1047
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Speaker 2: Right, got to get that in, got to make sure

1048
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: that point's made.

1049
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Speaker 5: What the hell? What a mess? Those are cooked? A

1050
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: mass cooked?

1051
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: Well actually, I mean, like I said, it's kind of

1052
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: heartening that, like you said, this will just fall in totally.

1053
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 5: It's being rejected.

1054
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the fact that the Washington Post published

1055
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: this review was pretty remarkable.

1056
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's Washing Post now, and I saw her,

1057
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Speaker 2: you know, Joy Reid, who used to work it MSNBC

1058
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: and I think was pretty close with KJP. She was

1059
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: pressing her on these same things with regard to Gaza,

1060
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: and the response was like exactly the same. And Joy,

1061
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: you know, Joy has some cred there because she very

1062
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: good case that she lost her job because of how

1063
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: forcefully she advocated for Gaza. And so you know, when

1064
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: she was faced with the with the decision of like okay,

1065
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: my career, my principles, she chose the principles. So, you know,

1066
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: I think to see her pressing Korean Joan Pierre in

1067
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: that moment was also particularly like noteworthy and powerful to see.

1068
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 6: It's insane to try to have anyone believe or that

1069
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 6: Korean John Pierre thinks anybody believes that she genuinely thinks

1070
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 6: Joe Biden was okay for a second term, Like that

1071
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 6: is a crazy thing to ask people to believe that.

1072
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 5: It does insane.

1073
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yet she's that's the predicate for her book,

1074
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: like okay, and let's just say she's just this total

1075
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 2: cynical political actor cares only about her ambitions, yep, Like,

1076
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: how much are you misreading the room? Right now?

1077
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 5: Who is this for?

1078
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: I know?

1079
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 6: Right, Like the idea of writing a book called independent

1080
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Speaker 6: is so smart, But man, did she get it wrong?

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Speaker 2: The Lindi lee yeah, can be the next PbD like

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Speaker 2: her take.

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Speaker 5: That's so.

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Speaker 2: I think they're still in the market for someone new.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can go.

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Speaker 2: I I was in there all the time saying this

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Speaker 2: is wrong, we can't do this. You know. Do you

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Speaker 2: have any proof of that? No, but I promised you

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Speaker 2: I was there, and it was. It's a crime what

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Speaker 2: the Democrats do to the public. Like, if you're just

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Speaker 2: looking for how to get attention and further your career,

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Speaker 2: the right will take you. Like if you're willing to

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Speaker 2: go out there and say you turn on the Democrats

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Speaker 2: and you're going to spell yeah tea and you know,

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Speaker 2: air the dirty laundry, they will take you all day long.

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Speaker 2: That lane is wide open for you. This thing you're

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Speaker 2: doing is like a non existent lane that I don't

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Speaker 2: think ever existed, but certainly expired somewhere around like twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, indeed, there we go, all right, Emily, thank

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Speaker 2: you enjoyable as always. We got through all of it,

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Speaker 2: so somehow, yeah, well we were kind of deter we

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Speaker 2: were determined.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I really wanted to get to that.

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Speaker 6: So Sager was at the New Yorker Festival, right, yeah,

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Speaker 6: so he's That's why I'm here.

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Speaker 5: But Sager will be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a panel actually with a Sun Piker,

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Speaker 2: which I want to know how that went. Also not

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Speaker 2: hurt the feedback yet, so.

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Speaker 6: And they managed not to get deported, So big dub

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Speaker 6: for both of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, neither of whom are heritage Americans and the lingo

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Speaker 2: of the right not a.

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Speaker 6: Heritage American insight on that New York Or panel. Now,

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Speaker 6: Sager and Ryan also have a huge scoop over at

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Speaker 6: Dropsite about the administration's Venezuela war. We have to call

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Speaker 6: it that at this point. So when sccer's back tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: I expect you guys are going.

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Speaker 2: To oh yeah, we'll be going on that. There are

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Speaker 2: some newge developments as well, and yeah, huge story not

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Speaker 2: getting nearly enough attention and like it looks like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it looks like it's happening. They're saying Medoro is either

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Speaker 2: going to be toppled, like I have to flee killed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's yeah, it's I mean the regime change,

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Speaker 2: like it seems like they have decided regime change is happening,

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Speaker 2: which is now a question of what that entails exactly.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, Chris, I think maybe on the

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Speaker 6: Friday Show, one thing that would be good is even

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Speaker 6: if Sager's there, but even if he's not, have Ryan

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Speaker 6: talk a little bit about the background of that story

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Speaker 6: in the premium half for premium subs, So breakingpoints dot

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Speaker 6: com if you want to see a second half of

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Speaker 6: those Friday shows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we get when we.

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Speaker 6: Get the little background story on Ryan's amazing journalism and

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Speaker 6: soccers amazing journalism too.

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Speaker 5: So check that story out at dropsite and tune in

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Speaker 5: tomorrow to hear more.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, have a great day. I will see

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Speaker 2: you tomorrow.