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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory. My name

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Speaker 2: is Chandler Rome with Tyler Stafford and Tyler. We have

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Speaker 2: a special guest today.

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Speaker 1: We sure do. We got buddy of mine here, Bobby Wagner.

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Speaker 1: You know him from the ringer from the Tipping Pitches podcast,

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Speaker 1: from the Museum of Modern Art screening of Daisy Miller

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday night in New York City. Yeah, Bobby's here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 3: This is so much fun. I love to be an

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Speaker 3: enemy territory to start a baseball season, so I'm so

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Speaker 3: honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How how are you feeling about this? It? Bobby?

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Speaker 1: Bobby is a Mets fan, Bobby is is up in

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Speaker 1: New York and certified ball nowhere, and uh yeah, how

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Speaker 1: are you feeling? I feel like this is this has

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Speaker 1: got to be the best you felt and ever maybe

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Speaker 1: for Mets team. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you stretch the window back to I guess

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Speaker 3: basically August of last year. It's been going too well

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Speaker 3: for too long. And my part of my brain that's

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Speaker 3: been trained by you know, I think all baseball fans

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Speaker 3: feel this way, that they expect failure to come because

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Speaker 3: it is a game so predicated on failure, but when

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Speaker 3: that failure has stretched to the organizational level the way

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Speaker 3: that it has with the Mets. In my lifetime, I

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Speaker 3: so still waiting, you know, still trying to go to

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Speaker 3: the grave with at least just one World Series ring.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I would be selfish to say that

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Speaker 3: I don't feel good right now just because of everything

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Speaker 3: that's been going on. I'm not sure if you guys

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Speaker 3: saw they signed a couple of players this offseason for

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Speaker 3: a little bit of money, So feeling good about that.

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Speaker 3: Excited to see the lineup, the rotation. Maybe we'll get

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Speaker 3: into that a little bit on this series preview with

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Speaker 3: the Stros. It's there's some question marks, maybe more question

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. What are you talking about? Cliff Holands

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Speaker 1: is gonna win the sym You got money down on

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Speaker 1: him yet?

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Speaker 3: Betting on baseball. It's certainly not my fourth day, Tyler. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm not super smart, but I'm smart enough to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, smart Bobby.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Mets, and they're well documented failures, and

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Speaker 2: they're well documented just kind of making their fans miserable.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like they were on their way to that

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Speaker 2: last year they started twenty two and thirty three after

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Speaker 2: they got swept by the Dodgers. You know, we watched

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Speaker 2: in Houston at the Astros started seven to nineteen twelve

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Speaker 2: and twenty two, and we know how they turned it around.

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Speaker 2: How did the Mets turn it around last year after

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Speaker 2: being eleven under five hundred and kind of looking like

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Speaker 2: this was going to be another in a long, long

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Speaker 2: line of miserable Mets seasons.

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Speaker 3: I mean it starts quite literally at the top of

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Speaker 3: you can quibble over whether or not that stuff actually

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Speaker 1: Moved into that slot.

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Speaker 3: Now, he's historically been a slow starter just in his

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Speaker 3: the June turnaround for their Pride Night game, a lot

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Speaker 3: think that Lindor really stepping into that role as the

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Speaker 3: kind of fell in line from that point. They got

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Speaker 1: Peterson looked amazing.

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Speaker 3: Manaya obviously had that change halfway through the season where

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Speaker 3: what they did with sever Reno. I think really it

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Speaker 3: but that kind of is what it is.

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Speaker 1: At this point.

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Speaker 3: They're carrying a lot of contracts and they're clearly their

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Speaker 3: one specific point on, which is bizarre, but it's baseball.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot there that you said that I think,

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Speaker 2: Astros fans, Jim Crane is certainly not cheap. We're not

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Speaker 2: They have run a top five payroll in baseball the

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Speaker 1: They they signed.

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Speaker 2: Christian Walker, but they let Alex Bregman walk. What is

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Speaker 2: it like to have an owner that just throws caution

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's freeing in particular when you

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Speaker 3: That's a that's the sort of a mixed bag these

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Speaker 3: the phrase that Steve Collen likes to use and many

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Speaker 3: But to have no limit and to have no kind

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Speaker 1: About how you're spending your money. I think that is just.

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Speaker 3: Reinvigorating to a fan base that's like, we got to

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Speaker 3: get one. You know, you said we want to get

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers. Now put your money where your mouth is.

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Speaker 3: And I've been honestly shocked at the fact that he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny because they're spending so much money,

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Speaker 1: so this doesn't doesn't line up perfectly. But the Mets

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Speaker 1: feel like where I felt watching the Astros in like

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Speaker 1: I think it is very fun to be good and

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Speaker 1: also still have people like you. The Astros are past

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Speaker 1: that point right now. I don't remember, it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: But as you're kind of looking at this team right now,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, hey, look there's there's some big new additions

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Speaker 1: uh in in the off season. For you as a fan,

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Speaker 1: Who is the identity of the Mets this year? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Secretly Jesse Winker for the almost online cohort of Mets

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Speaker 3: fans that you can possibly find in some cases, yes, No,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think personally I gravitate towards Lindora as

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Speaker 3: He is the kind of leader who overtime you start

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Speaker 3: this is my team. You know, Mets fans will talk

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Speaker 3: a lot about the cohort of Alonzo and Nimo having

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Speaker 3: like a pretty well balanced team. But as you guys know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, vibes turn on a dime, like they had

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Speaker 3: But I feel at least better about the fact that

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Speaker 2: So Bobby the Astros saw clay Holmes on opening day

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Speaker 1: after all this time, Jammy Penny immediately comes in and

439
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: wins World Series MVP his rookie year, which is insane.

440
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: He's obviously not as good as Korea, but to have

441
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: that happen immediately it is crazy. And then the rotation depth.

442
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: Every year they find some dude from the middle of

443
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: nowhere that no one's ever heard of, and he's gonna

444
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: come up and you know, be an all star in

445
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: the rotation. It makes no sense. They do it every year.

446
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: You know, Fromber came out of nowhere. Ronel Blanco last

447
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: year came out of nowhere and is awesome, and so

448
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: you you almost just assume that that's gonna happen, and

449
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: it almost feels like, oh, that's some voodoo within the organization.

450
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: So I do think it still feels like the same

451
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: continuation of the team, mainly because jose Al Tube is

452
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: still here, right, So that's the heart of the team.

453
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: And by hear you mean way out there in left field.

454
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: Way way out there. He is on the around the ball. Yeah, yeah,

455
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be there. Chandler's got to to see him

456
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: in person play left field, which I'm jealous of. I

457
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: can't wait. I want to see him just I want

458
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: to see what is like what he's throwing to uh

459
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: the kid over down the left field foul line to

460
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: warm up beforehand. I want to I want to know

461
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: what he's doing with the fans. I wish that the

462
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: nets weren't there. I'm I'm I'm okay for safety reasons,

463
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: but I would love that al two ages comes down

464
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: and is shaking hands or whatever. But yeah, I mean

465
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: to answer your question, I think I do think it

466
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: still feels like, you know, the same core, even though

467
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: it's not even you know, Jordan wasn't there when the

468
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: Astros first got good, but it feels like he was

469
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: because it's just kind of been this continuation the whole time. Yeah.

470
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: I also think like they've become a victim of their

471
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: own success and that they made the sport look so

472
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 2: easy from twenty seven, well, let's take twenty seventeen out

473
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: of it. From twenty eighteen to about twenty twenty three,

474
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: they made the sport look really easy. And you know,

475
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 2: when you live here, you know this is a football city,

476
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: This is a football town. This is a part of

477
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: the country that is football mindset, and a lot of

478
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: their fans have kind of adopted that, as you know,

479
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: if they don't make the World Series, then it's a

480
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: massive failure, like they live and die on you know,

481
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: these games in May that are relatively meaningless. And I

482
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: think it should be noted too that the Astros ascension

483
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: like came right when the Rockets had traded James Harden

484
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: like started there rebuild. The Texans were a dumpster fire

485
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: for until they drafted CJ. Stroud. That all coincided with

486
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: the Astros ascension, So they were the only ticket in

487
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: town for a very long while. And now you know,

488
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: they've still got the same expectations that they that they

489
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: had in the fans do from twenty eighteen to twenty

490
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: twenty three. But you know, I don't think they have

491
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: the roster to meet those expectations like that. They are

492
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: a this is a diminished roster that does not have

493
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: as much depth. Their minor league system has been just

494
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: completely ravaged by graduation, by trades, by just underperformance, and

495
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: they're not in a position organizationally right now to maybe

496
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: meet or exceed the expectations that they set in twenty

497
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: eighteen through twenty twenty three. Now you saw that by

498
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: them trading Kyle Tucker because like that was a completely

499
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: out of character thing, Like we I mean, you guys

500
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: have mentioned all these free agents that have left, like

501
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: Korea played his last year under team control. Here Bregnant,

502
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: the same thing, Springer, Kikeel, like all these homegrown guys,

503
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: Like they resisted trading all these guys for picks or

504
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: not for picks for prospects. They realized they looked at

505
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: where they were and knew that they did not have

506
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: a Cam Smith coming. And Camp Smith has been unbelievable.

507
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure one dude is going to fix this.

508
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: And you know, I think that was a more telling

509
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: sign than anything that they understand they're going to have

510
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: to do things a little bit differently and they're maybe

511
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: not in that same position that they were for the

512
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: last six or seven years where the expectation was World

513
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: Series or bust. And Lance mcculler's junior, one of the

514
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: two guys that's a holdover from that twenty seventeen team,

515
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: basically acknowledge it. In spring training. He was like, yeah,

516
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: maybe this year we report to camp and we're just

517
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, let's get off to a

518
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: good start and let's you know, see how April and

519
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: May and June go and instead of the last seven

520
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: years when they reported to camp it was we're winning

521
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: the world If we don't win the World Series, this.

522
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: Is a failure.

523
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fascinating inflection point for an organization such

524
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: as the Astros too, because I think, in particular, because

525
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: they play in the Al West, no one has necessarily

526
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: come and ripped it out of their hands. So it's

527
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 3: not like you can even justify a total tear down

528
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: at this point, because you could win eighty nine and

529
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: still get in and then at that point, you know,

530
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: if you if your guys get hot at the right time,

531
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: then you know this this window is still open for

532
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: a couple more years. So I don't know which team

533
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: we lay the blame, which team's feet we lay the

534
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: blame of that the most in the Al West, I

535
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: know which team I do. But looking at you, Jerry

536
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 3: Depoto and the Mariners. But I think that there's no

537
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: organizational justification for like going in total reverse. Now you

538
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: could argue that trading Kyle Tucker is like that's definitively

539
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: going in reverse, and I would argue that, But I

540
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: still think that the roster is just good, not great,

541
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: and good great can still win your division in today's game.

542
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: Let me yeah that this team started twelve and twenty

543
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: four last season won the American League West.

544
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: I know, and I was among the people, you know,

545
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: you know, throwing dirt on them, pouring dirt on their

546
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: grave forty games into the season, and I was wrong,

547
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: but it just looked like they didn't have, frankly, any

548
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: good pitchers on the roster at the time, and they

549
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: were able to get a handle on it. So like,

550
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: do you guys think they're going to win the division

551
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 3: this year?

552
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that they are the favorite to win

553
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: the division? I think they win the division until someone

554
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: else wins the division. I think you just go into

555
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: every year. I think that if somebody snapped their fingers

556
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow and replaced all of the current Astros roster and

557
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: swapped it with the Oakland A's roster and the A's

558
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: just played in the Astros uniforms at Dyke and Park,

559
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: I think that team would win the Well, like that's

560
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: how strong the voodoo is. It feels for the Astros, Like,

561
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: I I mean, there is something to be said about

562
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: you've just done it so much that it's an expectation.

563
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: It's not a mountain that you have to climb, it's

564
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: the hill that you're already on top of and somebody

565
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: has to come knock you off as an organization. And

566
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: until somebody does that, there's certainly not a team that

567
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: I would say the Astros are scared of yet or

568
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: are you know, feeling like they have to climb to

569
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: reach them? Candler what I know? I mean, Handler pretends

570
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: he likes.

571
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: The A's but other than that, and I totally agree

572
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: with Time and until someone else wins it, I'm not

573
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: going to pick against them. Do I think Do I

574
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: like their chances just outright with this roster to win

575
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: the division? Like I can't tell. I can't sit here

576
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: and confidently say I think they're the favorites. I think

577
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: the Rangers, you know, sneakily did some nice things. They

578
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: just get some of these guys to bounce back. I mean,

579
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't think last year, like everybody in their lineup

580
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: outside of Cory Seeger had the worst year of their career. Like,

581
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen again. Jacob de

582
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Gram's arm is healthy for the time being, which is

583
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: a big deal the Mariners. I mean, I know, I

584
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: know we all made fun of Jerry Depoto a lot,

585
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: and but look at the end, like they started to

586
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: hit toward the end of the season. It was too little,

587
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: too late, but like they started to really hit toward

588
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 2: the end of the season once Scott Service was fired,

589
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: once Edgar Martinez got in there as the hitting coach,

590
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Like they didn't start to hit, and they returned. They

591
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: didn't do anything in the off season, but they return everybody,

592
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: and I mean that pitching staff. I don't Again, just

593
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't think the Rangers are going

594
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: to have every guy in their lineup outside of one

595
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: have the worst year of their career. Do I think

596
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: the Mariners are going to go have that those five

597
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: guys have that sort of year and not get hurt

598
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: the whole year. I don't think that happens. I mean,

599
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: you're already seeing it with George Kurr. George Kirby's going

600
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: to start the year.

601
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: On the IL.

602
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: So again, until someone defrones the Astros, it's hard for

603
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: me to pick against them. But this is going to

604
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: be the most difficult tests they've had in a long time. Bobby,

605
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: I wonder like we're talking about our I mean the

606
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: astros within the West, like I mean, you would think,

607
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: like if the Mets go out and spend seven hundred

608
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: million dollars on a player, like you would think like

609
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: the goal, like you have to win the division. Like

610
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: that's a tough one. I mean the Phillies, the Braves, like,

611
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, where where do they stand in this division?

612
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Or are they the favorites to win that division?

613
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, like almost under no circumstances. I think most

614
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: people would probably put them third among those three teams.

615
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: It's tough.

616
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: I mean, narratively, that's that's the challenge. But I think,

617
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's a harken back to what we were

618
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: talking about earlier with Steve Cohen. I don't think that

619
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: he necessarily is the type of owner who's going to

620
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: get scared by the fact that it's not happening right

621
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: away from the money that he's spending. I think this

622
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: is this really is like a he's trying to become

623
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: an institutions. That's what you do when you're trying to

624
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 3: become the Dodgers. That's how you create longitudinal success as

625
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: an organization. As you say, I'm willing to invest this

626
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: money over the course of fifteen years, and I'm not

627
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: going to panic when it doesn't work out right away.

628
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: You saw, I mean, you've seen this happen countless times

629
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 3: with countless organizations in all sports. Really like, it's not

630
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: just limited to baseball. We saw this with the Brooklyn Nets.

631
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: I mean m Prokarov came in and he was like,

632
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna win it all. I'm spending all my money.

633
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: Oh wait, what's my tax bill? And Colin is one

634
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: of the rare exceptions to that. So I don't think

635
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: that they're going to panic from the fact that they're

636
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: not the favorite to win the division. I think that

637
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: they have a good chance, a better chance than if

638
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: they didn't have one. So oh, that's for sure. And

639
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: with the expended wild card, Uh, there's always going to

640
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: be a slot for them if they play good enough baseball.

641
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: I just think that the Phillies and the Braves are

642
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: at just more of a peak in their contention window.

643
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: I think you could argue that the Phillies might be

644
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: slightly even passed their peak and their contention window, but

645
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: they're still so incredible and their rotation is amazing. So

646
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 3: when you particularly when you look at that element of

647
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: the team in comparison to the Mets. It's just like, oh,

648
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: you guys have been kind of big boys for longer

649
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: than us in terms of roster construction and Atlanta. I mean, look,

650
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: the projection systems always really love the Atlanta. They have

651
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: a lot of injury concerns. They have a lot of big,

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 3: bigger question marks than I think just pure numbers would

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Speaker 3: tell you. But even still, even if they lose a

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Speaker 3: couple of those guys, they're kind of in that same

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Speaker 3: boat that you were talking about, Chandler, where it's like

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Speaker 3: with the Rangers, do we really expect everybody in the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta lineup to just have one of the worst seasons

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Speaker 3: of their careers? Again, probably not. I'm not lucky enough,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not lucky enough for that to happen.

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Speaker 3: So I think that you have to, if I'm being

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Speaker 3: objective about it, say that they are third from a

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Speaker 3: reasonable perspective. But of course, I mean, everything can change

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Speaker 3: at the point of an eye. I mean, is nothing

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Speaker 3: is guaranteed with either of those Phillies and Braves rosters.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe the Phillies just get frustrated in the

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Speaker 3: lineup is too with heavy and they just decide to

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Speaker 3: shake things up and it doesn't work out. So I

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Speaker 3: think the Mets have at least put themselves in a

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Speaker 3: position to play spoiler to two of the best teams,

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Speaker 3: and not just the National League but all of baseball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Phillies could be wiped out just by

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Speaker 1: raw milk right over on tippy pitches.

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Speaker 3: The way that we preview the season is because we're

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Speaker 3: silly and we like to have fun with it. Is

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Speaker 3: we created a Bengo card of twenty four things in

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Speaker 3: a free space that we predicted could or maybe are

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Speaker 3: likely to happen this year. And one of those things

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Speaker 3: was an iel stint from someone drinking raw milk and

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Speaker 3: getting sick from it.

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Speaker 1: That was one of those things.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking to call you Bryce Harper.

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Speaker 1: It bodes well for you and the Mets that it

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Speaker 1: seems like every couple of years someone from the NL

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Speaker 1: East beats the Astros in the World Series. So waiting

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Speaker 1: for Tyler. Yeah, and Wan Soda has already done it once,

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Speaker 1: so's he's got the institutional knowledge to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm just ready, man. This is it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Having watched the Ashes with such high expectations for the

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Speaker 1: last decade. Essentially, this is like the most fun that

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Speaker 1: I feel like a season will be for me, because,

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Speaker 1: at least in the past few years, because the expectations

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Speaker 1: were so high, the regular season almost didn't matter or

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Speaker 1: it didn't feel important because they were so much better

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Speaker 1: than everyone else in the division that it just you

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Speaker 1: knew they were gonna win the division by fifteen games,

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Speaker 1: and it was just a matter of, Okay, when you

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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, what's going to happen. But now

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Speaker 1: it feels like, hey, the opening series against the Mets,

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Speaker 1: this matters, Like these are two good teams, but we

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Speaker 1: got to kind of see where they're at, and who knows,

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Speaker 1: it might be a two game race at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, and so every game is gonna to matter,

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Speaker 1: not only for the Ashes but for the Mets as well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a really close division.

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Speaker 3: Not waking up until May really an option for either

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Speaker 3: of these teams this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how that goes. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. And you mentioned it already.

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Speaker 1: Everybody needs to be listening to tipping pitches. It's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows. I meant to bring it. I forgot,

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Speaker 1: but I pulled out my unionized the Miners shirt from

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Speaker 1: I got one that was a pre trademarked before y'all

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Speaker 1: got in trouble, so I have like I have an original.

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Speaker 1: But Tipping Pitches is awesome everybody. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you need a suggestion for a league wide,

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Speaker 1: really great coverage of baseball and also just some goofballs

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Speaker 1: who are fun to listen to, Tipping Pitches is your

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Speaker 1: place that I highly recommend it. Well, thank you, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: That's very kind.

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Speaker 2: If you would like to listen to goofballs that don't

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Speaker 2: know what they're talking about, you can listen to christ

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Speaker 2: City Territory three times a week in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: So we're starting.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be our first three podcast a week

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Speaker 2: episode tune in. We will not be doing game by

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Speaker 2: game breakdowns, guys. We're not gonna go live after opening

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Speaker 2: day to overreact to however from Bervel does pitches or

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Speaker 2: who Joe Aspota gives the seventh inning to like, We're

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Speaker 2: not going to do that, but we'll be back and

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Speaker 2: we'll we'll work out a schedule that allows us to

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Speaker 2: really evaluate this season with enough sample size, with enough,

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Speaker 2: with enough kind of measured takes throughout this season to

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Speaker 2: keep you guys satiated. So please rate and review us

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Speaker 2: on Apple. Please subscribe on YouTube at Crustrated Territories. You

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Speaker 2: can get alerted whenever we post a new episode and

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Speaker 2: we'll be talking to you guys soon while soon from

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Speaker 2: DIYK and Park at Opening Day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Bye,