1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: And here on the best podcast available post draft edition 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: of the VP, A Is Gibbs. Is Gribbs happy to 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: be joined by our two contributors throughout the two thousand 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: nineteen offseason leading up to the draft, Nathan Zigura and 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: Nick Shook. Gentlemen, we recap the two thousand nine NFL Draft. 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: One that was a quiet Thursday night, but a great 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Friday night and one would argue maybe even a better 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Saturday in terms of what they did. My questions for 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: you as we start to go around the round table here, 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: one word to describe this Cleveland Browns draft, Gribbs, I 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: will start with you. I'm gonna go with prudent. That's 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: a big word right off the bat. It's a seventh 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: grade ward right there. I think it was. It was. 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: It was not flashy, but it it's somehow I'm not 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: privy to the board that the Browns have, but it's 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: simultaneously hit what they believe we're best players available and 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: also hit probably the two biggest areas of need on 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: this team, which I think we're depth oft defensive back 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: and of course what we've been talking about all offseason 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: was linebacker. And I knew we knew second round was 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: not gonna happen for a linebacker. There was no one 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: that made sense there. But I'll follow along with what 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I remember Nathan saying a couple of days ago, is 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: if you flip the mac Wilson and Sa Taki Taki 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: picks and say you've got Mack Wilson in the third round, 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: Takie Talking in the fifth round, I think people be 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: even more excited about about this group of linebackers that 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: you got. But you got them in a different order. 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: So maybe you surprised some people to Talkie Talking, but 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: then you made people thrilled to get mac Wilson in 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: the fifth round. I think that's huge. I'm not expecting 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: either of them to come in and just start right away, 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: but now all of a sudden, you look at that 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: linebacker room and you feel a little bit better about 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: one of the areas where you're maybe the thinnest going 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: into this draft. The word I would use as efficient. 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: I think you identified the issues you had on your team. 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: You needed more linebackers, you need more help on the 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: defensive backfield. Your first four picks went to those spots 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: with the safety, a corner, and two linebackers, and I 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: thought that John Dorris did a good job of letting 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: the draft come to him, didn't necessarily force anything, didn't 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: have to. And I felt like you came out of 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: a draft with some very good players. As he said 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: to me, look, we got very lucky that our board 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: and our needs matched up. It seemingly every time we 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: were on the clock, and to get a first round 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: talent and greedy Williams in the second round, to be 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: able to get Mack Wilson where you did in the fifth, 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: they love Taki Taki. I just thought it was efficient 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: for a draft class that you went into it without 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: a first round pick because you got Odell Beckham Jr. 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: For that pick, and to come out with some guys 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: that can contribute early. I think it was pretty good. 55 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: It's just different, though, right because no longer does the 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: draft need to be looked at it's a franchise changing, 57 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: savior finding event. It's now just about being efficient and 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: continuing to build this football team. And I think they 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: executed on out. I would go with value or valuable, 60 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: and not to sound like a broken record, but I'm 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: pretty much in the thank yeah, yeah, you look well, 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: you know hey, no, no, no, And we gotta dumb 63 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: it down. You know. Uh, every player that they got 64 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: seemed to be good value. You know, some people question 65 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, you said, if you if you swapped Wilson 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: and Takie talking in rounds, then you'd be pretty pleased 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: with that as well that you know, that's fine because 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: they like, like they said, you know, they were in 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: love with Takie Taki and uh. And also you know, 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: Shelter red Mine can play a very good safety position. 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: You can play both safety positions, which offers the versatility 72 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: that you might be looking for on the back end 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: of the defensive backfield going forward, you know, maybe not immediately, 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: but a year or two down the road, this could 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: be viewed as a very good pick. And and you know, 76 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: I love the highlight tape of Drew Forbes coming out 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: of Southeast Missouri. You know, it's and arise with serious violence, 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's something that they really look forward 79 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: in this In this class was guys with toughness, guys 80 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: who flute not I don't like to use the phrase 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: fly around the field or whatever, but guys who are 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: very passionate in the way they play the game, including 83 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: how they arrived at the point of the impact and 84 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: I think they got those kind of tough guys. Now 85 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: there's there were some questions about Greedy wins tackling, which 86 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: is probably why he fell to this point. But you know, 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: John Dorsey is not concerned with that. He's more concerned 88 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: about coverage, which is what you pay corners to do, 89 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: which is to cover, and to get him not only 90 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: in the second round, but near the middle of the 91 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: second round. I think it's great value for John Dorsey 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: to say that this was the number one cover corner 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: on in this draft. Makes it pretty easy to figure 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: out this probably the number one corner on his board, 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: and the Browns were able to get him without even 96 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: using a first round pick. And I think that is 97 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: probably the most exciting thing to take away is you 98 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: have an opportunity now Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams, and 99 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: you've got great depth now with Terrence Mitchell and t J. 100 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Cary is still here. Philip Gaines was brought back. He 101 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: said he wanted those five corners. Well, now you have them. 102 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: You have some guys with some real unique talents. And 103 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: this is in a situation like Denzel Ward found himself 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: in last year. If Denzel Ward hadn't come in and 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: want a job right away, then you'd be like, that's problem. Yeah, 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: this year, if Greedy Williams doesn't win that job, that's 107 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: not a problem. That means that Terrence Mitchell is probably 108 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: doing his job to hold him off for even t J. 109 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Carey or someone else. I mean, I think you needed 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Denzel ward to emerge your number one corner last year. 111 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams doesn't have the same kind of pressure coming in, 112 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: and I think that's the best thing if he if 113 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: he does win that starting job, then he is doing 114 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: something really well. Absolutely. It gives you a lot of 115 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: flexibility too, and how you want to use these corners. 116 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: If if Money Mitch is playing well and Greedy plays 117 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: well on the boundary, you have an opportunity to kick 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Denzel warden and suffocate a slot receiver and go with 119 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: a different look than we've seen. You have an opportunity 120 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: to have Denzel and Greedy with t J. Carey. The 121 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: possibilities are endless. And I go back to when John 122 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Dorsey told us that, look, t J. Carey has the 123 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: ability to play some of that safety position for us, 124 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: And you can almost envision a scenario where you could 125 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: have five guys who truly were corners at one point 126 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: in their career on the field together in passing situations 127 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: with Mitchell, with Denzel, with Greedy, and then you kick 128 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: carry back to safety alongside Demarius Randow spent the first 129 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: three years of NFL career as a corner in Green Bay. 130 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: We have a lot of coverage flexibility options now, and 131 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: I think that is a very exciting thing for the 132 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, Steve Wilkes. Were you guys surprised at all 133 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: we knew we were gonna go heavy defensively? Were you 134 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: surprised at how heavy defensively we ended up going? No? 135 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: I was not, because you look at this roster right 136 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: now and you say where where were the issues? You 137 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: needed another corner, You probably wanted another safety, and you 138 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: definitely needed some depth at linebacker on the offensive side 139 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: of the ball. If we just roll out what we 140 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: have currently, you feel pretty good about it. You feel 141 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: pretty good about your receivers, You feel very good about 142 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: your running backs, You feel great about your quarterback. Your 143 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: offensive line returns basically five of your top six guys 144 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: from your six of your top seven including Desmond Harrison, 145 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: plus you added three veterans who all started games two 146 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: on the interior and wanted the tackle position. So, and 147 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: your tight end room is good. You brought in de Metius, 148 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: Demetrius Harris to added David a Joco, and set the 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: valve and orson Charles. So I think you felt good 150 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: about everything offensively, but where you still have those question 151 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: marks was defensively. So I wasn't surprised at all by 152 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: the way. The thing that to note the two positions 153 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: that John Dorsey was telling everyone about that where the 154 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: deepest in the draft running back and wide receiver. Didn't 155 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: draft a single one, not one. And I thought the 156 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: running back move, I thought the lack of a running 157 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: back was telling that the organization outside the building, it 158 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: seems like everybody is Duke Johnson being gone is a 159 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: foregone conclusion, and now we very well may end up 160 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: being there. But I thought if they didn't draft somebody 161 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: in this draft at running back, that that was a 162 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty good sign that, at least right now, the plan internally, 163 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: as they've said publicly, is for Duke Johnson to be 164 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: here and be a part of this team. I if 165 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: you look at the roster offensively too, it's just it's 166 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: more of a number schame than anything. And yeah, and 167 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: you just look at the two deep and where we are, 168 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: and you kind of got to it already. But where's 169 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the room, right, where's the room to add guys? Unless 170 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: you're talking first second rounders. You only had one second rounder. 171 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: Didn't trade back up into the first, which I think 172 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: was a wise decision. You know, why, why burn a 173 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: pick on a guy who might not even make the 174 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: roster because there's just not a ton of room. And 175 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: and I think even on the offensive side of the ball, 176 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: they did what they needed to and added a versatile 177 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: alignment who could play on multitude of positions and has 178 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: a high upside even though you know, not a lot 179 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: of people knew about it and they got him late. 180 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's a good it's great, it's 181 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: solid class. And I'm not trying to say Dorsey was 182 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: purposely trying to fool us into thinking he was gonna 183 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: draft a running back and wide receiver. I think the 184 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: sweet spot for both those positions or at points in 185 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: the draft, or it would have really raised some eyebrows 186 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: if you drafted a wide receiver. I think the strength 187 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: of that wide receiver classes in that second and third round. 188 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: That might have been a little bit weird after what 189 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: you did this offseason and then running back, especially to 190 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I think that third and fourth round was where it 191 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: was a sweet spot, and that might have been a 192 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: little too high to go get a running back for 193 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: the current makeup of this roster. I agree. All right, 194 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: let's get into a few of our draft awards. Are 195 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: way too early awards. Uh, this is just the Browns 196 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: draft class best pick. I could also name it your 197 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: favorite pick from the from the weekend. Um, Nick, let's 198 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: start with you. You know this is a tough one. Um. 199 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know a ton about Shelter red Wine, but 200 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: I like the attitude. He brings a swag. Yeah. If 201 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: he gets part of what they're looking to build overall, 202 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: which is a tough, aggressive, not afraid to talk a 203 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: big game and back it up type of team, I 204 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: think he'll He'll be a good presence in the locker 205 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: room as long as he can earn, you know, the 206 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: trust of the veterans and everything else and do it 207 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: with his play first and then from there. But I 208 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: think overall, and this is I'm biased, but I'm gonna 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: go with Forbes just because I this is a guy 210 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: I know, it was not on my radar, was on 211 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: almost nobody's radar, and and s I Prospect X and 212 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Aside. I like the way. Now he's 213 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: got some things he needs to clean up, but I 214 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: love the way he contacts the defender, the way he 215 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: goes into it. He's got to clean up his hands, 216 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: but he's got really really smooth athletic feet, and he 217 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: looks like he can get out in space and open 218 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: some holes. And I think that is it's it's really 219 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: difficult because we focus on skill players so much in 220 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: this league, but and people often overlook, you know, the 221 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lines. But if you can't block, you 222 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: can't do anything. And I think that's it's a very 223 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: important position group. And we're not a d percent solidified 224 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: there down the road. Maybe right now this year we're 225 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: in a good we're in good shape, but maybe a 226 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: few years down the road, you don't know. So that's 227 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: why that's my favorite pick. Well, I sounds like a 228 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: guy that's watched a little tape, which, by the way, 229 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: I believe Andrew Grimmo was tweeting out the day he 230 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: was picked. Someone that was all over his draft tap. 231 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: The only tape that was available on him was a 232 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: little you know, highlight cut up from his school from 233 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Simo of course, but it was pretty, it was it 234 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: was fun to watch. We're still we're still waiting for 235 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: them to follow us back on Twitter. By the way, 236 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: Semo State needs to give us a follow with anyone's 237 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: got to give us a fill back. We're trying to 238 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: d m them for some pictures because right now we've 239 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: got just helmets that we used for Drew Forbes. Not 240 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: on the ap wire that guy, but we'll get we'll 241 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: get pictures of him very soon. Uh yeah, this one 242 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: the other one out of right and we have to 243 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: steal those from Sports illustrat. Uh My, my best pick 244 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: is the I go with the one where I think 245 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: there's a different level of expectations on a pick where 246 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: you trade up to make it and it just so happens. 247 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: It was the Brown's first pick, and that was Greedy Whims. 248 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: The Browns made a similar move last year to get 249 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: Antonio Callaway, trading up to get him. That tells me, 250 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: like I know, we we always every team when they 251 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: talk about the picks they made, it was always best 252 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: guy on a board at that time. That's who we wanted. 253 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: We thought he'd be drafted earlier. This tells me this 254 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: team definitely wanted Greedy Williams. They weren't just taking him 255 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: because he was a name on their list. They wanted him. 256 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: They were surprised he was there. They went up and 257 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: got him at forty six and paid basically nothing for it, 258 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: gave up a fifth round pick that they probably didn't 259 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: want to make anyways. Uh, And all of a sudden, 260 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: you get a corner who has a who has tremendous upside, 261 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: and if he doesn't live up to that upside immediately, 262 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: you still fill some good depth and have a quality 263 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: back up there. It's hard on best pick. There's so 264 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: many that I think that you could choose, and I'm 265 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: trying not to make my answers the same to all 266 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: of them, because I think that's certainly possible. But I'm 267 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: gonna go different from what everybody else has said, just 268 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: to kind of keep some diversity here. And and Mack Wilson, 269 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that I certainly expected 270 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: to be off the board. And you wonder had Cincinnati 271 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: taken Devon Bush and the Steeler has not been able 272 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: to get him see somebody who ends up in Pittsburgh 273 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: much earlier in this drafts. That was a huge need 274 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: for them, according to people around the league. Attitude issues 275 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: of the reason he filed find this guy. Five star 276 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: recruit out of high school, played the mic linebacker for 277 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Nick Saban Alabama. Over in seventeen starts. I think he 278 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: had fifteen pass breakups and six interceptions, or thirteen pass 279 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: breakups and six interceptions. He knows how to play in 280 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: the middle of a defense. And I think when you 281 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: when we look back at this, to get a guy 282 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: of that talent and around where you know, it's rare 283 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: that these guys necessarily hit, you're taking a gamble. I'll 284 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: bet on that kind of talent then. And I think 285 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: for John Dorsey and company, this this pick has a 286 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: chance to be one of the ones that super Bowl 287 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: teams need. They need that cheap labor playing at a 288 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: high level for a few years and their super Bowl window. 289 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: And I think Mack Wilson over the next couple of 290 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: years certainly has a chance to do that. You talk 291 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: about a slide. I just want to run this by. 292 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe teams were a little bit 293 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: scared off by the lack of notable productivity from Rashaun Evans, 294 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: who had gone in the first round the year prior 295 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: to Tennessee out of Alabama. It certainly is possible. And 296 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, for a while there, the knock was on 297 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: those Alabama linebackers that they never were as good in 298 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: the pros as they were in college. So perhaps that 299 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: what it was. That's what it was. But I think 300 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: you're betting on a profile and a guy in Mack 301 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: Wilson who has shown the ability to be good. I 302 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: don't think it's a year this year, and you know, 303 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: better than I would was to the level that maybe 304 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: the expectations were after the way he played at the 305 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: end of the two thousand seventeen season, But Nick Saban 306 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: wanted him to come back. And there are I a 307 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: couple of people talk to me and said, if he 308 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: went back and and progressed from this year to next year, 309 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: there's a guy would have been a first round pick 310 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: in the draft, and now we got him in the 311 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: fifth round this year, and he's gonna get to develop 312 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: under our staff in our scheme, and I think that's 313 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: a huge win. Yeah, there were three guys that Saban 314 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to go pro that went pro this year. 315 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: That's a kind of a record number of guys that 316 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: don't listen to him. Uh. Deonte Thompson went in the 317 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: fifth round, Mack Wilson went in the fifth round. Savian 318 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Smith went undrafted. So it's it's uh, it was an 319 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: interesting year for them even I think that the issue 320 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: with Mac this year was I think a combination of 321 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: huge expectations because the way he finished the previous season, 322 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: he was arguably the best defensive player on that team 323 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: to finish the year, and then consistency issues didn't didn't 324 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: have seemingly have it every game. Decision making was maybe 325 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: an issue with him as well. And it's and again 326 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: you knocked the Albama linebackers when they come in in 327 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: the pros. But I think there's an expectation there that 328 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: maybe he didn't live up to uh maybe game by 329 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: game because those players when they play there, they play 330 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: pretty well, even the ones who didn't make it in 331 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: the pros. So it's it's it's again it's great value 332 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: where I think if we if you get him in 333 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: the third round, you felt good about it. Now getting 334 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: him in the fifth round is a steel. Biggest surprise 335 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: is it anything less than the kicker. No, I was 336 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna say the kicker, so that my answers weren't all 337 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: Mack Wilson, because I still am surprised that we got 338 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Mack Wilson in the fifth round. But yeah, I I 339 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: did not expect. I thought that kicker position would be 340 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: addressed and competition would be brought in. I was surprised 341 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: that a pick was used. But when I talked to 342 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: John Dorsey earlier this week, he said, from the outset, 343 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: that pick our last pick in the fifth round from 344 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: New England. That was a pick we had tabbed Austin 345 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: Cybert was number one kicker on our board, and we 346 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: were going to take him with that pick. That was 347 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: always in their plan. Yeah, And it's one of those 348 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: things where it's when you have multiple picks on a round, 349 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: that's when you start getting a little, uh, you know, 350 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: like frisky with with your moves. It's like when you 351 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: acquire an extra pick in a fantasy football draft that's 352 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: really like maybe I'll take it, Maybe I'll take maybe 353 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: I'll take a tight end in the second round, like 354 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be that guy that that drafts the 355 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: position one block in the number one kicker, you get 356 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker earlier, and it's one of those kind of moves. 357 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: I'll go in a different direction with biggest surprise. My 358 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: biggest surprise was in a year where there was the 359 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: most trades ever within the draft, the Browns made just one. 360 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: And that it seems very Unendorsey like. I imagine he 361 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: maybe wanted to make a couple more moves and try 362 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: to get more, maybe some future capital, but you already 363 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: do have nine picks drafts. He didn't need a ton 364 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: more picks there. But with the makeup of this roster, 365 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I think it was good that he picked seven players 366 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: instead of eight. I wonder if the goal might have 367 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: been to take six or five and you just couldn't 368 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: make some trades there. But I think a lot of 369 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: those teams on the same boats where no one's looking 370 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: to acquire extra sixth and sevenths, and ultimately you you 371 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: end up just having to eat those and make those 372 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: picks and no, and it seemed like every time they 373 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: went to the podium, the Browns were and obviously you're 374 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm so happy we got our guy, but 375 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: they really didn't have to move Greedy. Clearly they were 376 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: feeling some urgency and wanted to move up, and I'm 377 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: sure they probably all held their breath when New England 378 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: traded up ahead of them and ended up taking Joe 379 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: One Williams. But John Dorsey said he knew in the 380 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: article about Prospect X that Drew Forbes was going to 381 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: be taken right after them if they didn't take him 382 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: there in the sixth round. And he said, how do 383 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: I know this? I know what I know. It's all 384 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: I can tell you. I just know things. Maybe the 385 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: doors this year was very much plugged into other people's 386 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: draft boards and knew that the guys they wanted at 387 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: the spots they wanted, we're going to be there for him, 388 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and he was able to be patient and get exactly 389 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: who he wanted. The range for that was almost uncanny, 390 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: he said. Five to fifteen picks later, five picks away 391 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: was Green Bay, which is one of the other teams 392 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: that he had at Forbes had visited in his pre 393 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: draft process. I think if we go with my surprise, 394 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: it's that greedy Williams felt to the second round. I 395 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: know we've talked about it, everybody's discussed it, but as 396 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: We sat there on night one and watched all these 397 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: guys come off the board, and none of them were 398 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams. I was sitting there thinking, well, this is 399 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: a guy who was mocked and rated as the number 400 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: one corner for a lot of the process, and it 401 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: was still kind of a back and forth between him 402 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: and Byron Murphy. Neither of them went that night, so 403 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: that brought a little bit more sense to it. But 404 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: then the fact that you still had to wait thirteen 405 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: more picks beyond when Byron Murphy went in on day 406 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: two in the second round. I just it's very much 407 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: surprising when we think about the premium that is placed 408 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: on the cornerback position and covering receivers right now, and 409 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: how it's such a pass happy league, and I mean, 410 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: we're not that far away from talking about guys like 411 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Josh Norman and guys like Derrell read this, you know 412 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: these quote unquote shut down corners, and if this is 413 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: the best cover corner of the draft, how is he 414 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: in the second round? So that's that was my biggest surprise. 415 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: But hey, I'm happy it worked out for us, no 416 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: question about that. Uh. Taking a look at some of 417 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: the other categories in terms of our Draft awards, sleeper 418 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: to watch anybody with one that really stands out of me. 419 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: We all kind of know who these guys are, but 420 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: is there one out there that could could be a 421 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: guy that makes a little more noise come training camp 422 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: than what we were expecting. I mean, I would say 423 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Mack Wilson, but I don't even think he's a sleeper. 424 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of just because he was picked in the 425 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: fifth round. So I'll say Taki Taki because I think 426 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: he was the one name that all of us you 427 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: heard that they drafted him, and I had never even 428 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: heard of him prior to the show we did when 429 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: Daniel jeremy him and I said give me some you 430 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: know linebackers who you think could be interested, and he 431 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: said Siony Taki Taki and went off on a little thing. 432 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: Enjoyed obviously his name. But I think he's a sleeper 433 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: to watch because he is going to bring a physicality 434 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: I think to that linebacker room like Jernard Avery has 435 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: that Bernard Avery is a hybrid rusher and is not 436 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna fly sideline to sideline, although he 437 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: has made some great place for us. But Taki Taki 438 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: has an opportunity to be that kind of guy, and 439 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: I think that actually just a combination of Taki, Taki 440 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: and Mack Wilson. I think they're gonna push Joe Schobern 441 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirksey this year, and I think that will 442 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch how they develop and what that 443 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: linebacker rotation actually ends up looking like. I'll go with 444 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: Sheldrick RedWine on the one because I think he's at 445 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: the position where outside of Damarius Randall, I don't know 446 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: if you're exactly married to anyone else at any of 447 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: those positions, and you signed Morgan Burnett to a pretty 448 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: decent contract where you're gonna expect him to make an impact. 449 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: But I think there's a real opportunity where if he's 450 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: really good, he's gonna play. And I think that maybe 451 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: on a day where on a Day three where probably 452 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: the most attention he probably even though he was the 453 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: first pick on Day three, he might have gotten the 454 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: least attention outside of Donnie Lewis, because fifth round you 455 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: get Mack Wilson, get a kicker, and then you get 456 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: Prospect Tex. I mean so now like of the Day 457 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: three picks, we're not talking about the guy that was 458 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: picked first. But I think he's at a position where 459 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: there's some veterans in front of him, but none that 460 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, We're not going to play this guy 461 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: because of this guy. If he's if he is better. 462 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm going back and forth right now mentally right now 463 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: because I I I also kind of wanted to go 464 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Talkie TALKI or Red Wine. Those are the two defenders 465 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: where they bring that attitude like we talked about, and 466 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: especially Talkie TALKI for a class where they're drafting guys 467 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: who arrived with violence. He is one who comes flying 468 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: at you. Got a little Elliott Wolf on the podium 469 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: Friday night going he's violent, and I'm like, oh, e Elliott, 470 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: he loves Yeah. That Wisconsin game he was at it 471 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: was pretty big. I mean, b y U stunned them 472 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: and they were like number six in the country and 473 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Taki Taki was one of the main reasons why they did. Yeah, 474 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: So that will leave an impression on you, just like 475 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: how Mike Mack and Gruden went to the National Championship 476 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: and came with with four players, So that can happen. 477 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Plus Tacky Tacky has the best draft call story maybe 478 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: ever yeah. I mean, it's just like it's only it's 479 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be legendary. He's only going to go after 480 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: there got the call in the toilet and now he's 481 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: ready to go. He took care of business and care business. 482 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Drapping a duce get drafted in the third round. Can't 483 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: beat it now, So I'd say those two names go ahead, Nick, 484 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Where are you going now? Yeah? But I'm gonna go 485 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: kicker because this is a team and a franchise that 486 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: has in a fan base that has longed for a 487 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: guy like Phil Dost, someone who is consistent over a 488 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: long period of time, who you can always rely on 489 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: to make most of your field goals. You're not gonna 490 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: make all of them, we all know that, but especially 491 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: in clutch situations, and the front office making it clear 492 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 1: that they're placing a priority on this position, which is, 493 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, guys are recycled all all the time throughout 494 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: the league. By spending a fifth round pick, now, are 495 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: there expectations that are unfair that come with being drafted, 496 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, before the seventh round as a kicker, Yes, 497 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: but you're in the National Football League. You know you 498 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: only get one, maybe two shots at this at the 499 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: most and then you're gone. So you know, pressure or not. 500 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: If you can make kicks, you can make kicks and 501 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: uh and he made a lot of them at Oklahoma. 502 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: He made a lot of extra points too, and uh 503 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: and so you know, I think that's my sleeper because 504 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: we don't pay a lot of attention to kickers. They 505 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: come on the field four or five times a game, 506 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, usually at the most if they're kicking off 507 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And then we'll find ourselves in 508 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: a close game where this guy might be available to 509 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: drill a game winning field goal. And suddenly he's a 510 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: fan favorite, so of course he's in. He's Baker's kicker. 511 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: He follows on the footsteps of previous Browns kickers, Zane Gonzalez, 512 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: who was he had the record for career points in 513 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: among the FBS kickers, and then he broke it. Zane 514 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: had four and Cyber now is the new mark. By 515 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: the way, I love, I love. I mean, maybe it's 516 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: it's almost like kind of funny when you think about it. 517 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: I love that on the call you make to congratulate 518 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: the guy on being drafted, Preefer is already thrown out there. 519 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: You gotta win a job or you're not gonna have 520 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: a job. Basically, like he's putting it out there right 521 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: away that in that happiest moment this guy's life, he's 522 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: being told you know anything, Yeah, you haven't done anything yet. 523 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: He's already de recruiting yet. On the draft call, which 524 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: I loved, he's talking about as adrenaline pumping and everything else. 525 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: But that speaks to what they're looking for from this team, 526 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: quality football players, competition, and I think that there's a 527 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: theme in this draft, and you look at John Dorsey's 528 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: two draft now there is a focus on big school 529 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: guys who have played in big moments and have delivered 530 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: in the past. I mean, you look at let two 531 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: years ago Oklahoma Baker Mayfield was under the lights all 532 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: the time, Denzel Ward Ohio State, Nick Chubb at Georgia. 533 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: The one that you would say maybe didn't quite fit 534 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: that mold would be obviously Austin Corbett at Nevada, but 535 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: and then Chad Thomas from the U, and then you've 536 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: got Callaway at Florida given his transgressions. Nonetheless, this year 537 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: you come out l s U right out of the gate, 538 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: then at b y U. But then you go right 539 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: back to the U with Sheldrick RedWine. You've got a 540 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: kicker out of Oklahoma, Mac Wilson from Alabama. These are 541 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: big schools with guys who are used to playing with 542 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: expectations and playing in big moments. And I think that's 543 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of important for this team because in the past, 544 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: we you know, we would talk about we've got a 545 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of leaders, but we did draft a lot of 546 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: guys in the previous regimes who were on at big schools, 547 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: but that were never the school in their conference, you 548 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think that is there 549 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a difference with that. Yeah, no, 550 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: it's it's and you also, if you're making up the 551 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: character of this class and by no, h maybe this 552 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: wasn't by design or not, but you gotta get a 553 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: lot of guys with like an edge or something to prove. 554 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Because Greedy probably thought he was going to be a 555 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: first round pick. Mac Wilson probably thought he was gonna 556 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: get drafted a lot higher. Uh, You've you've got an 557 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: Austin Sieberg guy that probably he's coming into a situation 558 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: where he knows there maybe some fans that are skeptical 559 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: of his high draft status. That he's looking to prove wrong. 560 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: And then you've got Prospect X, who, by all means 561 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: I was when I read that story, I wasn't expecting 562 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: to hear about how he was getting nervous about where 563 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: he should have been drafted. I didn't. I thought Prospect 564 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: X would have just been thrilled the call came, but 565 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: he was sweating it out, sweating through shirts. I mean that. 566 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: I think that so he's got some to prove that 567 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: he's better than a sixth round pick. I think there's 568 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different guys here that, by no fault 569 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: of their own, they they fell, and the Browns were 570 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: smart to snap him up where they did. I just 571 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because you do get the guys 572 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: with a chip on their shoulders. But and all these 573 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: guys we're highly thought of coming out and for whatever 574 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: reason fell, and now they're going to get the opportunity to, 575 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: uh to show what they can do. UH best chance 576 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: to start day one? Nick, start with you, and I 577 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: keep calling you Nick, which is awkward. Shook, It's okay, 578 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: they're both one syllable. I guess it works, you know, 579 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: to two syllables told in this name. I'm gonna surprise 580 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: some people here. Everybody. The easy pick here is Greedy Williams. Right, Well, 581 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: there might not necessarily be room. So let's go with 582 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: thea Taki Taki. Let's say that he comes in here 583 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: right now and somehow finds a way to get into 584 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: the into that role as a linebacker, maybe in the 585 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: replacement for Jamie Collins, and it makes an impact from 586 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: day one. I think that might be the best shot. 587 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: We have to discount kicker because there's only one kime. 588 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: I was going to pick the kicker. He's got the 589 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: best chance. I'll let Grivel regroup. It's a girl. So 590 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: this is who has the best chance coming and start. Yes, 591 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: you're best chance to start day one. I mean, I 592 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: think it's greedy, but he's gonna have real compatas from 593 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Money Mitchell or it's the linebackers. I think either Mack 594 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: Wilson or Taki Taki have an opportunity to play themselves 595 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: in if if what we heard at the podium is 596 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: true from Elliott wolf And I would obviously believe that 597 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: it would be that in this defense, you don't need 598 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: necessarily clearly defined positions at the linebacker spot. You want 599 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: three guys who can go out there, who can run, 600 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: and who can lead? You've got you have. I think 601 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: you could have situations in passing situations where Matt comes 602 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: in and plays the mic and you put you know, 603 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: kirk Oh and Shobert on longside of him to run 604 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: around and cover. I think there are a lot of 605 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: you have a lot of flexibility. Now, I think those 606 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: linebackers have the most greedy's Obviously I would say the 607 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: obvious answer, but I think those linebackers both have a 608 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: chance because there obviously was a feeling that our linebacking 609 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: corps on some level wasn't good enough and that that 610 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: is a position wants to be upgrade. I think we 611 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: can all sense that, and so I think there's gonna 612 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: be real competition and those guys have a real chance 613 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: to get in there. And for a position that I 614 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: think went into the draft is a huge question mark 615 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: comes out of it, I think very intriguing in terms 616 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: of what's actually gonna happen, because remember, Kirko was a 617 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: third round pick, Shobert was a fourth round pick. Sho 618 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: was never supposed to be a mic linebacker in the NFL. 619 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: Now he's done a great job, He's gone to the 620 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. But now you have a guy who was 621 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: coming from Alabama that was a mic linebacker there, Taki Taki, 622 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: this is the first year has ever even played linebacker 623 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and did a pretty darned good job at b y U. 624 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: And then Avery is just an animal. So I think 625 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of flexibility. I think that room though, 626 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: these rookies outside of Greedy have the chance to play 627 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: the most in that room. I'll talk about Greedy Williamson 628 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: because I he is the easy answer, and I'll say 629 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: he is the easiest answer because and I'll focus on 630 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: kind of a competition with Terrence Mitchell. There there's we've 631 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: We've seen this happen a lot throughout the years with 632 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: with guys like Mitchell, and that this is no knock him. 633 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: He had a great season last year. There's a difference 634 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: in in camp between being the hunted in the hunter 635 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: with Terrence. Mitchell came in with no expectations, worked his 636 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: butt off every day and earned that starting job. Now 637 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: he's coming into a situation where he is, by default 638 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: the guy who is the starter. If how he responds 639 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: will dictate whether or not he keeps that job. But 640 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: I think Greedy Wims gonna come in trying to take 641 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: that job from him, and we'll see who rises to 642 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: the top of that challenge. I look back, I don't 643 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: want to compare them, but we that we saw a 644 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Jamaar Taylor one year be the be the hunter going 645 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: after that starting job was great. Next year, regress a 646 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: little bit. I hope, I hope for the better of 647 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: the men of this defensive backgroup. I hope we see 648 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: the same Terrence Mitchell because that Terrence Mitchell will be 649 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: the starter if if you play at the same level, 650 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: if not better, you will be the starter at that 651 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: because he he played even in the games, he was 652 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: forcing turnovers, doing everything. He was playing at a high level. 653 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: And and that that no matter how good Greedy Wims is, 654 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: that Terrence Mitchell will not be beat in a in 655 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: a in training camp at And I think it's really, 656 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: in my mind, a three way battle for two spots. 657 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: Who's gonna who are gonna be the two corners on 658 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: when we play a two corner set, which is not 659 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: gonna be all that often, but who are those two? 660 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: And then who are the three when we are in 661 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: our nickel, which is pretty much now your base defense 662 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL, because if Terrence plays that well and 663 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: Greedy plays that well, you have an opportunity you can 664 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: kick Denzel inside and all of a sudden be like 665 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: lock everywhere if they all played at that level. So 666 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a battle between t J, Carey, Money, Mitch, 667 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: and Greedy to kind of see how this all ultimately 668 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: shakes up. And now if we don't see Denzel going 669 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: inside at all, then I think we know that that's 670 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: not something that they have in their plans. But if 671 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: you have two guys, because t J is more of 672 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: an inside guy, if you have two guys who can 673 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: play the outside in addition to Denzel, it opens up 674 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility to have Denzel say, which he 675 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: did not do much last year, you're just gonna follow 676 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: wherever they go. So when you play Pittsburgh, if Juju 677 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: is gonna go slide into the slot, you're gonna go 678 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: cover them. Because I bet people don't remember this, or 679 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: some the people in this room do, but maybe listening don't. 680 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: Last year, in Week one it got so bad they 681 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: had too Marrious Randall come play the slot to cover 682 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster and he did a great job. And 683 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: that's why. I mean, we just have so much flexibility 684 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: now and what we're able to do in that defensive Backfiel, 685 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: it's the beauty of it, right, that's what you want 686 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: because now you can disguise who's gonna drop to the 687 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: single high and who's gonna come down. And if Carrie 688 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: has that flexibility, it just gives them a lot of options. Right. 689 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: And you talk about how you know that Nicholas basically 690 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: your base defensive it's somewhere over ash down this league. 691 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: So you know, Dorsey talked about it a lot, which 692 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: is you know you need those five corners. Of those 693 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: five defensive backs, you're gonna see a lot And I 694 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: think they're in a great situation now. And and Dorsey 695 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: has a track record too have not necessarily forcing. He's 696 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: not going to force these guys on the field. You 697 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: look back last year, he had no problem with with Corbett. 698 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: You're on the sidelines. It's gonna do better. And now 699 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: he's set up to to play good year two. You 700 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: go back to the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes drafted him, probably 701 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: didn't think he was gonna win that job the first year, 702 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: but knew it was for the long term, better than 703 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: the franchise. Not saying this will happen with Greedy, but 704 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: there'll be a chance. Yeah, if you have a good team, 705 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: if Greedy can't get on the field there, it means 706 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: that they probably still believe in him. But it could 707 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: be set up for the long game as well. Yeah. 708 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: All right, so let's take a look. Now we've talked 709 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: about our draft picks. We feel very good about our 710 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: draft picks and our draft uh the A C. North Uh. 711 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: While we would have liked everybody to take a step back, 712 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: I feel like all three teams in our division and 713 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: a nice little weekend as well. Is there a player 714 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: that stood out? Is there some a move that stood 715 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: out that one of those three teams made that just 716 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: made you cringe a little bit when that man was taken. 717 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you two of them. Number one, the Steelers 718 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: going up and getting Devon Bush, filling a massive need 719 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: in their defense that has been the void that's been 720 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: created by the injury to Ryan Shazier, and I thought 721 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: that was a great, great pick for them. For me, though, 722 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: when you think about what the Ravens have to be 723 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: on offense, I thought they did a very good job 724 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: of draft and getting Hollywood Brown speed, which can stretch 725 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: the field horizontally as well as vertically. You then get 726 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: him a big target in Miles Boykin and then Justice Hill. 727 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: I know he's a fourth rounder, but this guy out 728 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State absolutely can fly. Is another weapon. And 729 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: you can just think of how the defense is going 730 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: to react when they send Markey's Brown on the jet 731 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: motion one way and then you're running a read option 732 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: off of that the other are away back with Lamar 733 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: Jackson Injustice Hill. They're gonna try to create problems for 734 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: people that way. I thought they went in without really 735 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: any kind of offensive identity. They left with some and 736 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: they added Jalen Ferguson, who Joe Thomas I know was 737 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: sitting here like Jalen Ferguson from what he'd seen from 738 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: him on tape as and Ed rush Row of Louisiana 739 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: Tech in the third. I thought they did a good job. 740 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: I thought the Steelers obviously getting Devon Bush was big 741 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. With the Ravens, it was it was 742 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: clear ass he wasn't making the picks this year. It 743 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: was a very Unravens like draft, and we can question 744 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: their plan. I questioned their plan a lot with building 745 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: around Lamar Jackson. But they are clearly all in with 746 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: the plan. I mean, that's what that's the what they 747 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: did with that. I thought the Bengals draft was interesting 748 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: and maybe it had more of a like long term 749 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: vision to it, because I look, they drafted a lot 750 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: of guys, but there's maybe one and a half that's 751 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: gonna start this year for them. Out of all those 752 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: picks they made. You drafted Jonah Williams. They're gonna find 753 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: a way for that guy to start either way. But 754 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: if if Jonah Williams does start, which he's going to 755 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: one of your offensive linement's getting paid a good amount 756 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: of money is not going to play, which that I wonder. Yeah, 757 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a weird, weird set up there. Drew Samples 758 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: a blocking tight end, but he could maybe be a 759 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: long term in tow there. But they already got a 760 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: zooma and effort uh and then Jermaine Pratt might win 761 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: a linebacker job. But then they drafted just a lot 762 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: of guys that they can maybe build on for the future. 763 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: I think they took they took two running backs in 764 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: the sixth round. They'll see maybe which one emerges as 765 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: a potential long term answer or replacement for Giovanni Bernard. 766 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: You know. So it was an interesting draft that was 767 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: built towards the future, but also kind of a reflection 768 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: that we're we and we were talking about this earlier 769 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: that this is a team that I think they're chalking 770 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: up last year's bad season two coaching and injuries, so 771 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: they're they're ready to roll it back with the same 772 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: group this year. And whether or not that works remains 773 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: to be seen. But you know, that's a team that 774 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: could I'd have no problem predicting a first place finished 775 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: in the a f C North or a last place 776 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: because they could really go either way because they still 777 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: have a lot of times. Well you said earlier when 778 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 1: we were talking off the year, Nathan, I think they 779 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: started four and one. Yeah, I mean that's they were 780 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: one of the top teams in the NFL. Forget the 781 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: a f C. Yeah, they're not trying they their draft 782 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: made it clear they're not trying to overhaul anything for 783 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. They're rolling back with their guys and 784 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: seeing if a new voice guides them. And I think 785 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: with the a f C North, is the margins then 786 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: enough where that could easily work, and they have a talent. 787 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: They have good talent on offense. A J. Green Boyd mixing, 788 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: they've got good talent. The thing that jumped out to 789 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: me about the Steelers getting Bush, they got Deante Johnson. 790 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: They've been a pretty good wide receiver drafting franchise for 791 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: a while. Justin Lane, who was a guy that many 792 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: people thought was in play for the Browns at pick 793 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: forty nine, somehow ends up at pick eight three to 794 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers. We know what that's caused for his family locally. 795 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: And then I Benny Snell is a guy who reminded 796 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people of Levan Bellot, Kentucky, and they 797 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: get him in the fourth round. So I thought, again, 798 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: another pretty good draft there. They went two and two 799 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: on each side. We went defense heavy, the Ravens went 800 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: offense heavy certainly early in their draft. And thought it 801 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: was interesting that teams really kind of identified what they 802 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: needed and and did a pretty good job. I thought 803 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: our division all and all had a pretty good few 804 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: days in the two thousand draft. A very interesting Day 805 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: three pick they came across the stream for the Ravens 806 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: was quarterback trace Nick Sorley, who is probably not going 807 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: to play quarterback there, but could very much be used 808 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: in a lot of different packages. You could. You could 809 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: put him on the field with Lamar Jackson like what 810 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: they did in New Orleans, Yes, but less power more 811 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, a kind of elusiveness or you know, like 812 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: a scatback type of situation where both of these guys 813 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: can throw and they can also run very well and 814 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: they're hard to bring down. So it's something that you 815 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: look out for. It's over the long term and over 816 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: the course of the season. It doesn't happen often, but 817 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, for a sixth round pick, that's it adds 818 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: a little wrinkled to them that could make them even 819 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: more dangerous offensively. But yeah, I think this is probably 820 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: the first year in a long time where we could 821 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: say every team in the in the a f C 822 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: North got better in different ways. You know. The Steelers 823 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: tray up to get Devon Bush, like you guys said, 824 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: was a pick that I did not like because it's 825 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: gonna make them better, uh Benny Snell Snell, Yeah, like 826 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: you said, Uh, it's uh, you know, he he could 827 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: be a contributor for them very early because without Levy 828 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: on Bell, they've pretty much got a thin back field 829 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: with you know, Jalen Samuel's and and and not much 830 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: else in terms of experience other than James Conner m 831 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: who dealt with some injuries last year. So that's gonna 832 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: add some depth there as well. Cincinnati kind of had 833 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: a spaghetti at the wall kind of approach, right, Uh. 834 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, they they tried to address a ton of 835 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: needs just by you know, going after a variety of guys. 836 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: But I like that they selected Jenna Williams. I thought 837 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: that was a good pick. So overall, yeah, I think 838 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: this division all did very well. Listen, I of the 839 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: opinion Devin Bush was ending up in this division one 840 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: way or the other. And I think the Steelers traded 841 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: up in front of the Bengals. If they don't do that, 842 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals are taking Germaine Pratt's in the division. 843 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean, every come on, man, take your victory lap. 844 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: That was my guy. It's not even a victory lamp. 845 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: I just I have no reason to actually have liked 846 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: them as much as I did. I just wanted him, 847 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: and now he's on the Bengals pick seventy two one 848 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: before we even had a chance of pick in the 849 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: third round. Exactly all right, real quick before we wrap 850 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: up the segment here, overall draft thoughts, I mean, you 851 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: had so many storylines from the weekend that maybe didn't 852 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: have the excitement of your drafts every year, but man, 853 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: there were some things that happened between Josh Rosen, the 854 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: Giants and everything they did, Dwayne Haskins, Gribble's favorite player, 855 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. I mean there was it was quite the 856 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: weekend uh in Nashville, and a lot of different things 857 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: went down and a lot of storylines evolving from that. 858 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: Nick your first draft thought. I thought the Cardinals handling 859 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: of the Josh Rosen situation was botched all the way 860 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: down to the end. I think Miami scored a major 861 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: coup with getting Rosen for a second round pick an 862 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: immediate trade. I mean, it's done, it's over and done with. 863 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: They've got they've got their quarterback in the future. They 864 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: don't even have to tank for Trevor two years from 865 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: now because they got a guy now that they could 866 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: work with. And and I also thought that the I 867 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: think the sports media of their approach to how they 868 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: deal with Josh Rosen and what they and this has 869 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: happened since he was in college since he was, you know, 870 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: voicing his opinions as a student athlete was unfairly harsh. Uh, 871 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: and in the situation he was in Arizona, both from 872 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: on the field when he was thrown into his first 873 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: game in the fourth quarter to uh, playing behind a 874 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: horrible offensive line that couldn't do much of anything, whether 875 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: it was protect him or opened any running lanes for 876 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: David Johnson. Their offense had very little of a chance 877 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: every week, and then all the way through the off season, 878 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: and him on following the Cardinals on social media after 879 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray thing picked up and everything else. I 880 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: just thought that the outside perspective on Josh Rosen has 881 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: been very unfair and I hope that he does well 882 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: uh in Miami with the Dolphins, where I think he 883 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: gets a fresh start. That was probably the biggest thing 884 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: for me and um and and the Raiders. Some of 885 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: their draft picks, you know, Mike Mayock's first draft. You know, whatever, 886 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: If that's your approach, that's fine, but some of them 887 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: were just some head scratchers. I thought the Cardinals draft 888 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: and this is not meant to be a total insult 889 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: to the Browns two thousand sixteen class. But the Cardinals 890 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: draft kind of reminded me of the Browns two thousand 891 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: sixteen draft. Words. They just kept grabbing receivers to see 892 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: which ones are playing out and there I think that 893 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: they were in the they were in the right headspace, 894 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: like let's build the best possible offense for Cliff Kingsbury 895 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray. They didn't draft any offensive lineman, like 896 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: that's that's that's what they that's what they needed, and 897 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: that was they were in such a great spot. I mean, 898 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: I like their Byron Murphy pick on on Day two. 899 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: That's a good corner that can help their defense. But 900 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's played behind a great offensive line all the 901 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: way going back to high school. I that's that's your 902 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: franchise right there. And if you can't protect him, I mean, 903 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter how many wide receivers you have 904 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: in the field. I mean, I didn't like I would 905 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: have liked to see Andy Isabella go somewhere else. I 906 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: worry about him him thriving there. I just I just 907 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: I the Cardinals have confused me since January, So I 908 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: just I it's just the their draft re did that 909 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: with with me as well. And I just I don't know, 910 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: it was it was tough. The Cardinals vexed me. I 911 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: am terribly vexed by what they've done basic really in 912 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: a in a you know, basically a year period, trading 913 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: up to draft Josh Rosen and then basically giving him 914 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: away for nothing. The Dolphins masterfully moving down in the 915 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: second round to pick up a future second rounder in 916 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: the move down and then trade get him for a 917 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: second rounds. They basically give up nothing and just got 918 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen out of their roster. I think that's fantastic. 919 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: I never expected coming out of the draft weekend that 920 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: would actually be a Josh Rosen fan or care about 921 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: him in any meaningful way. But now I hope that 922 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: he does do well. Kind Of in the face so, 923 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: I thought he the video he did was great, staying 924 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: around for the laryat everything perfectly m vps of that 925 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: wins the home run derby. I thought he just he 926 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: handled it all very well. So I hope that he 927 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: does well. Obviously, except when he plays the Browns this year. 928 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: This changes the Dolphins plan to a little bit. I totally. 929 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: I mean, they've got to feel great. They basically got 930 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: a guy that most people in the NFL thought was 931 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: an elite prospect. In fact, the team traded up to 932 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: get him in the top ten last year for nothing 933 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: on their team for a team that's searching for a 934 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And I think it doesn't because of the 935 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: fact that they literally paid nothing for him means that 936 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: they're not wedded to him. They can continue to do 937 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: what's best in their organization. He could end up being 938 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: a guy who was on a team that has consecutive 939 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: you know, top whatever picks and picks a quarterback, which 940 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: would be a bummer for him. But yeah, it's an 941 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: interesting scenario. It does change that they're tanking. But I 942 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: also think the tanking for a quarterback is such a 943 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: difficult thing anyway. I think that in Miami, I don't 944 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: know that that would work with their fans who have 945 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: so many other options for entertainment and their lives down there. Uh. 946 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's a lot easier to say, 947 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: let's do it on paper than it is to do 948 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: it in reality. And now all of a sudden you 949 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: have to feel like, hey, if Josh Rosen hits, we 950 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: have all these assets we can put around him. Now 951 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: I think they're in a great I think they did. 952 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: I think they did a great job there. Were you 953 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: surprised at how far Haskins felt that the Redskins didn't 954 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: need to move up like we all thought they might 955 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the draft, No, because 956 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: you kind of got the sense that he was not 957 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: what maybe the media had projected him to be. It 958 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: was not what the NFL thought of him. And then 959 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: as soon as Ian Rappaport is trying to smoke screen 960 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: for Mike Mayock and one of the most blaze telegraphed 961 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: moves in the history of Draft Day reporting that, oh, well, 962 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: Haskins flying up, somebody needs to get him. You know 963 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to come up. It didn't surprise him 964 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: at that point. I still him shocked, shocked that Daniel 965 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: Jones won six o overall. But if they're right, it's 966 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: a what he's worth the number one right. This is 967 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: where there's been a lot of Giants criticism, most of 968 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: it fair and I'd not in love with Daniel Jones 969 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: as a quarterback prospect, but I we heard it a 970 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: lot last year, so we should be the ones defending 971 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: the Giants on this one. If he if he's the 972 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: quarterback you want. I don't want to listen to people 973 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: saying you wait the seventeen I don't. I know people 974 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: are ripping them for the for not grabbing him at 975 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: seventeen because he could have been there. But you can't 976 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: take that risk. If he's the only quarterback you want, 977 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: you take him at six. I'm just happier that in 978 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: our press conference afterwards that John dors didn't say, well 979 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 1: I saw him for three series, that the senior bowling 980 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: was right. Yeah, that wasn't what pushed us decision, that 981 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: that we we we. You shot down callers for months 982 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 1: asking for sake, one quarterback and fourth. That's nonsense. I've 983 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: seen smart NFL and was say that, and it's just 984 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: blows my mind. It's nonsense. Take the quarterback first. Yeah, 985 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with spending your first pick 986 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: on a quarterback. It's just the guy you took. Yeah, 987 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: that's fair. But if he's your guy and you believe 988 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: it with conviction, you do. Just like last year, Baker 989 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: Mayfield wasn't a consensus number one, but John Dorsey believed it. 990 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: What I think is crazy. If I'm a Giants fan, 991 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: what I would have the hardest time dealing with them. 992 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm great. I'm so happy, say Kwan Barkley 993 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: was there, and what a great rookie year. But I 994 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: want to go back in history and say to myself, So, 995 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: you mean I could have last year just taking Sam 996 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: Donald and then taking Nick Chubb at the beginning of 997 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: the second round, and all of a sudden, I have 998 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: my quarterback and running mc tannon for the future. So 999 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: this year at number six, I could do whatever the 1000 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: heck guy want. Now, you might not have been picking 1001 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: number six, but you could have been, and all of 1002 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: a sudden you were saying, Okay, I'm loaded up. Now 1003 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: I've got my guy numbers. Now I have Josh Allen 1004 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: on this roster. I got the pass rusher, I have 1005 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback, I have a running back. I have everything, 1006 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: And instead you don't have any of that. Oh and 1007 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: you don't have O'Dell Beckham Jr. Either. You know what, 1008 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: this sounds a lot like like what it used to 1009 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: happen here about. Of course that's why it's so great. 1010 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 1: It's not us anymore. I thought gentleman had a great 1011 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: first round except for that. But that's a kind of 1012 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: a big I know he lives and dies with a quarterback, 1013 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: but he will. Now you got Baker at dB arguably 1014 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 1: one of the top corners. Uh and uh the kid 1015 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: out of Clemson, Dexter Lawrence. I don't know, I know, 1016 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: do you cemented gymnastics of that Lawrence pick when you 1017 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: traded snacks Harrison the year before for like a fifth 1018 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: rounder and then just get a guy that can play 1019 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: the same mix. So you traded snacks Harrison and O'Dell 1020 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: Beckham for a one and a five to use on 1021 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: a guy that is like a younger snacks Harrison if 1022 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: he if he is even that good, I means Harrison 1023 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: was very, very good. The logic in what they're doing 1024 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: in New York just doesn't play out. And it will 1025 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: be interesting to see the teams that passed over at 1026 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: Oliver and Josh Allen all but if that comes back 1027 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: to bite them. I don't think Jacksonville ever went in 1028 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: the draft thinking in a billion years that they would 1029 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: be selecting Josh Allen, do you know? And they're like, oh, okay, here, yeah, yeah. 1030 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it from the giant standpoint, 1031 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: you take Josh Allen at six, you just replaced Olivia 1032 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: Vernon in your scheme and your defense, and then you 1033 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go ahead, although it's a different scheme. No, no, 1034 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: that makes sense. You would literally replace the guy that 1035 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: you just sent out. He's young and is considered to 1036 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,919 Speaker 1: be a pretty elite prospect. And I think you would 1037 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: have been able if you didn't do it at seventeen, 1038 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: move around and be able to get you. I still 1039 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: think you could have got down Jones. But the same point, 1040 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: why risk it if that's your guy and they truly 1041 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: believe their intelligence, although there are people today shooting down 1042 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: their intelligence that two other teams would have for sure 1043 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: taken them. You never know, and forgettlemen. If they that's 1044 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: their guy, was that was their guy? The long debate 1045 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: in the draft is always need versus best player available. Well, 1046 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: there's a happy medium where you can do both, right. 1047 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: The Giants had that chance last year at number two 1048 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: and decided not to do it, and and they're still 1049 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: paying for it. And the thing is is they're doubling 1050 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: down on what they did by making more illogical decisions. 1051 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: Got a pretty cool Rookie Year trophy, sing those up, 1052 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: good job. You have a new generation. Our guys just 1053 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: busy winning. We didn't pick it, we did not pick 1054 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: in the top six, but we need to take on 1055 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: one people some fantasy football titles, and that's why he 1056 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: won the vote. I'll go down saying that that night. 1057 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: The fantasy football effect helps him helped him win that award. 1058 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Mr Gribble, A pleasure. Mr Zagareth, thank you, 1059 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: Nick Shook. A pleasure. 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