Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special games. What's up with your Brodie with
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake. I'm gonna tell you that I never
Speaker 1: told go back. I want to All the Smoke. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. Jack, what's
Speaker 1: up with you? Bro? My boy? What's happening? Man? I
Speaker 1: can't call it. Just got out the gym, little boxing,
Speaker 1: little weights? Yeah, you boxing? Now, what's going on? I'm back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just in case you know what I mean. It's a
Speaker 1: new world, just in case you know, you know, you
Speaker 1: never know, you never know. Smoke on on the way
Speaker 1: home and then came right home. And now we got
Speaker 1: Man the homie. I remember working out with this dude
Speaker 1: when he first came into the league. We're working over
Speaker 1: uh see, far over Loyola and just to see his
Speaker 1: steady improvement from the time he stepped into the league
Speaker 1: to where he is now has been. Man, it's been
Speaker 1: amazing to watch and uh someone I can call a friend.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. The Marja Rose and what's up, Bro?
Speaker 1: Going on. What's up, dog man? I appreciate you all
Speaker 1: for happening. Man. Yeah, definitely an honor. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Overdue overdue, bro, Yeah, for sure. In the
Speaker 1: Bill Compton in the building. Heymar remember that one man?
Speaker 1: What was it? Maybe it was like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Remember that flag football game you had me come play.
Speaker 1: It was Compton. Who do we play against? It was?
Speaker 1: It was Brandon Jennings and his crew? Right, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was random, Yeah, it was random it yeah. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: went out and though. Yeah, that was dope, and that's
Speaker 1: where all that football stuff started coming from, because you
Speaker 1: start doing your ship after that then, because if tournament
Speaker 1: At first, after I played that football game, I told Snoop,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, let's do a flag football tournament. Because
Speaker 1: I was working with Damar and we played this game.
Speaker 1: It was comfort the worst Brandon from Guardina. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was Compton vers Guardina. We had Compton jerseys
Speaker 1: and everything. That ship was hard though it was out
Speaker 1: there like really playing football. Yeah that it was fun.
Speaker 1: She was. Yeah. Well anyway, man, how are you in
Speaker 1: the family doing uh? Difficult different times? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously with the current climate you were in the bubble
Speaker 1: for a little bit. How's the family holding it down?
Speaker 1: Everybody holding it down? I mean bests as they can.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been like you said, it's been definitely
Speaker 1: a tricky time. You know, be there with your family
Speaker 1: the best you can, protect them, enjoy the moments. It's
Speaker 1: been a crazy triumph time that we've just been trying
Speaker 1: to push through. Man, just trying to make the best
Speaker 1: out of it. Every single day. Um, stay busy, stay moving,
Speaker 1: keep your mind occupied, because it's it's easy to fall
Speaker 1: into that that that that that darkness, and and and
Speaker 1: just be down every day. So just trying to keep
Speaker 1: everybody up the best, best best I can. That's what's
Speaker 1: up you. Uh, you got a chance to experience the bubble. Um,
Speaker 1: although you guys didn't make the players, you guys are
Speaker 1: there and got to play your final handful of games.
Speaker 1: What was that like? Um? The bubble was whatever you
Speaker 1: made it to be. You know. For me, I I
Speaker 1: treated like I was I was going to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: or something. Sitting on the eisland for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: It really it really was whatever you made it to be,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and for me, I
Speaker 1: just took. I just took it for what it was worth.
Speaker 1: You know. I try to, you know, do a lot
Speaker 1: of reading, try to do a lot of different ships
Speaker 1: that kind of keep your mind going because it's easy
Speaker 1: to get caught up in just sitting in the room
Speaker 1: if you're not playing, or you're not in the gym,
Speaker 1: you know, and not you know, all you're gonna do
Speaker 1: is think about, you know, missing your family, missing all
Speaker 1: the cool whatever whatever you could be doing back home.
Speaker 1: So for me, you know, I was I was out
Speaker 1: there in the Bahamas for about eight weeks. M M,
Speaker 1: that's nice, I v yeah, hey hey, but but in
Speaker 1: total and hole, like, how how would you rate the experience?
Speaker 1: One question? And two did you watch the playoffs once
Speaker 1: you left the bubble? Um? I read it for for honestly,
Speaker 1: it kept us beyond safe. You know, we didn't have
Speaker 1: not not one case, you know, for us to go
Speaker 1: out there and play. How we played um every other day.
Speaker 1: You know, it worked out perfect. Um, it sucks not
Speaker 1: being able to play in front of your your family
Speaker 1: are fans as it is, it's it definitely was different.
Speaker 1: It definitely was was different. But just me being a hooper,
Speaker 1: all I cared about having as having the opportunity to
Speaker 1: hoop um. And once I left, I for sure watched
Speaker 1: every single game. I watched every single playoff game um,
Speaker 1: just to see how guys perform, you know, coming being
Speaker 1: in the bubble and leaving out the bubble, just to
Speaker 1: have two different perspectives, to know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be in there and see a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: performing the way they did. It's tough, man, it's tough.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of a lot of us kind
Speaker 1: of feed up, feed off the crowd and that energy
Speaker 1: and the build up and have your own energy when
Speaker 1: the playoffs came. That was that was one thing that
Speaker 1: I was interested in seeing, and a lot of guy
Speaker 1: I showed that you it still seemed like you know,
Speaker 1: you look at damn. It looked like Dan was playing
Speaker 1: in front of people. You know what I like, And
Speaker 1: it's hard to do it when you out there. They
Speaker 1: don't show it on TV. But the other side of
Speaker 1: that camera is just a blank, black fucking wall, and
Speaker 1: you see, you won't see nothing but people eyes because
Speaker 1: it's you got the reporters sitting over there with their
Speaker 1: masks on and they're on a computer. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just an awkward feeling. So you gotta definitely generate your home,
Speaker 1: your own different mentality to go out there and who right,
Speaker 1: So you're born and raised um in Compton. Compton is
Speaker 1: probably one of the most famous neighborhoods in the world.
Speaker 1: Between music, between movies, between the athletes, between violence. Tell
Speaker 1: us what it was like growing up there? I mean,
Speaker 1: I wish I could tell, uh you hit the story,
Speaker 1: but like for me, it was so normal until I
Speaker 1: was able to get to the to the lead, to
Speaker 1: be able to see, you know, the other side of
Speaker 1: the fence. To compare the way I grew up. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just a natural instinct growing up and competent to understand,
Speaker 1: you know, where to go, we're not to go with
Speaker 1: time to go somewhere, how to maneuver, you know, It's
Speaker 1: just a natural survival instincts that you kind of grow
Speaker 1: with and all you cared about was whatever you cared about.
Speaker 1: For me, it was hooping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was always hooping, hanging out with with with with
Speaker 1: my partners, with my with my family. And with that
Speaker 1: came I understanding how to move and be safe. You know,
Speaker 1: before I walked out the house. My mama said, I
Speaker 1: don't care what you do as long as you walk
Speaker 1: your gas back in this house safe and sam, you know,
Speaker 1: And that was life for eighteen nineteen years, you know,
Speaker 1: and time I made it out and you start to realize,
Speaker 1: like god, damn this, I had to grow through this ship,
Speaker 1: you know, and you start you start to realize the
Speaker 1: guys that's in that position that don't know you try
Speaker 1: to go back there and give them a different type
Speaker 1: of motivation and understanding at like, this is not life.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so much more to life. That's that
Speaker 1: that that could bring you a whole different type of
Speaker 1: mindset to want to be successful, be somebody, be something,
Speaker 1: you know, be the one to make the chance for
Speaker 1: your family, because you know, growing up in Compton, you
Speaker 1: don't know, You really don't know. You only know what
Speaker 1: you see. Yeah, you only know what you see. When
Speaker 1: did when did basketball become a part of your life? How?
Speaker 1: At what age? Um? My dad always put me in
Speaker 1: sports early on, Like I played t ball. Um, try
Speaker 1: to do everything, you know, I'm always trying to moment
Speaker 1: everything I've seen. You know, when they when they do boxing,
Speaker 1: So we used to slap boxing in the streets. Um,
Speaker 1: you want to do whatever you've see, um in our culture,
Speaker 1: that's what you kind of link lean on. UM. And
Speaker 1: for me, basketball probably stuck when I was probably like
Speaker 1: seven eight years old. It was just one of those
Speaker 1: things to where you know, um, my imagination took over
Speaker 1: for all the things I've seen growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: watching all if it's Jordan, Kobe, all these players, and
Speaker 1: you're going back home reenacting moves, pouring water on top
Speaker 1: of your head, acting like you're sweating, acting like you're
Speaker 1: doing a move, and you know, that became my imagination
Speaker 1: day in the day out to where I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it on the court. And it just stuck with me,
Speaker 1: stuck with me. Before you know it, you know I
Speaker 1: started getting tall, our start getting better, I started doing
Speaker 1: different things, and you know I just just ran off
Speaker 1: with it from there about six seven years old. M
Speaker 1: m Um Kobe, Uh, you know obviously rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Being someone who's from l A and grew up you
Speaker 1: know as a youngster when Kobe first got in the league,
Speaker 1: how important he was to you. Arrest somewhere that you
Speaker 1: you said you cried when he shot those air balls
Speaker 1: in Utah because you're you're seven, seven or eight years old,
Speaker 1: like that's how when tuned you were with him. So
Speaker 1: this is kind of a two hard question. How important
Speaker 1: was he to you as a person, as someone you
Speaker 1: modeled your game after it looked up to. And then
Speaker 1: how important is he to the to the culture into
Speaker 1: the energy of l a um. For me, Cole was
Speaker 1: was my imagination that was a player, you know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: as I got older and able to look at Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's he became one of my favorite players. But growing up,
Speaker 1: when I start to understand and comprehend basketball at at
Speaker 1: at a young age, it was from Cold being a
Speaker 1: legal fan. We didn't have cable. All we had was
Speaker 1: channel k CAL nine. When when the Labors came up
Speaker 1: channel nine that was the only channel we had. So
Speaker 1: I watched every Laker game growing up and Cold was
Speaker 1: the one that I gravitated to and for me to
Speaker 1: see the start the fails, um, I remember begging my dad, Um,
Speaker 1: could we go get a newspaper just so I could
Speaker 1: see what he said after the game, you know, comments
Speaker 1: after game. Little ship like that gave me an emotional
Speaker 1: connection to to one of my favorite players. That made
Speaker 1: me want to push harder when when when it came
Speaker 1: to want to play sports, especially basketball. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing how you got better the things he went through.
Speaker 1: Um So the culture of l A for me from
Speaker 1: me being thirty one now, it's based around you know,
Speaker 1: being man like, the energy, always being Kobe, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I always hurt, always heard the stories like
Speaker 1: my dad and you know, my uncle's always talking about
Speaker 1: you know, the showtime Lakers. That's kind of like their generation.
Speaker 1: But for people my age, like you can't think about
Speaker 1: the Lakers without thinking about Kobe. You know. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about that, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's just that like period when you think about
Speaker 1: that yellow and goal, you think about being you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's how it is in my mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one thing I talked about. You know.
Speaker 1: I came here in nine d straight out of high
Speaker 1: school and never really left. And I told people that
Speaker 1: like the world lost a superstar, but l A lost
Speaker 1: a superhero, like he was everything to l A, you know,
Speaker 1: And I talked about my experience, but like I said,
Speaker 1: his first time in the league was right when I
Speaker 1: was at u C. L A. So we were crossing
Speaker 1: passing like like you said, be able to being able
Speaker 1: to see his growth, like right next to you was dope,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he was so much
Speaker 1: more than just a basketball player. His energy, his his
Speaker 1: everything was you know, the essence of l A. And
Speaker 1: it's it's sad man that that we lost him in
Speaker 1: gig and obviously everyone else on that plane that day.
Speaker 1: But you know, rest in peace to our brother man
Speaker 1: without so very decorated high school player Compton High. I mean,
Speaker 1: you had all the accolades, McDonald's, All American, Jordan Brand Parade,
Speaker 1: All American, you name me, you did it. What was
Speaker 1: your recruiting process? Like you ended up down, you know,
Speaker 1: down the city of sc But did you see l
Speaker 1: A ever crossed your mind? And where worlse were you
Speaker 1: uh seriously considering about going to college at UM? I
Speaker 1: took a couple of unofficial visits with the Florida State.
Speaker 1: UM checked out Florida State. Florida State scared the ship
Speaker 1: out of me because that's when they started having hurricanes.
Speaker 1: That's when the hurricane thing was going on. And me
Speaker 1: being from l A, like I wasn't I wasn't used
Speaker 1: to that Um, it was too far from It was
Speaker 1: too far from home, Like I never left home, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I visited North Carolina. You
Speaker 1: know it was a prestige school that you know it was.
Speaker 1: It was definitely intimidating when I went. When I went,
Speaker 1: and was like, and it's a big school. That's what
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of. But too too
Speaker 1: far away from school. Um checked the old Cow. Cow
Speaker 1: was closer, but I just didn't get a vibe from Cow,
Speaker 1: like you know, I fit in. U c l A
Speaker 1: was was one, but it was too boogie for me.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie it was. It was like it
Speaker 1: was boo, g and ship when I went, and it
Speaker 1: was just like nah, and when I went to when
Speaker 1: I was when I went to C it was more
Speaker 1: so it was like a raw feeling because you know,
Speaker 1: as she never really had like that, you know, star
Speaker 1: power really come out there like you know U. C
Speaker 1: l A had, you know, and it's in the middle
Speaker 1: of the hood, into the middle hood, you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what boy felt that boy felt right at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel comfortable. So when I went, you know,
Speaker 1: I always try to follow the model of like man
Speaker 1: I don't want to go nowhere where everybody a bunch
Speaker 1: of other people did all this stuff at You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go somewhere and kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: be a reason why other people come here, you know,
Speaker 1: And once once I got that feel of understanding like
Speaker 1: damn it ain't really did nobody come out of here.
Speaker 1: Let me try to put my stamp on it and
Speaker 1: leave out of here saying I did some or I
Speaker 1: helped motivated these other kids from l A. Don't want
Speaker 1: to come to USC because you look back at everybody's
Speaker 1: going to u c l A. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like all the guys I grew up watching It's Matt
Speaker 1: b D. Like I go down to the line. There's
Speaker 1: guys that with the u c l A. And it's like, man,
Speaker 1: let me be one of those guys when later on
Speaker 1: in my career, I want to I want a young
Speaker 1: cat to come to me and be like man with
Speaker 1: the sc because you you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: that that was kind of one of the things I did,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's crazy, even with Nick,
Speaker 1: Even with Nick, I tell it's crazy. That's all the time.
Speaker 1: You know. He was part of the reason why I
Speaker 1: went to because you know, I remember visiting at hes
Speaker 1: C and he was in there and working out killing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I could I know he from up
Speaker 1: the street. So it's like, damn he went here. Alright, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come here. I'm gonna do whatever he did,
Speaker 1: but better so how I'm looking at him. Somebody could
Speaker 1: come here and look at me and do the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know. And that was my mindset, and that's what
Speaker 1: led me to, you know, I want to stay home
Speaker 1: and go to see shout out uh this this past February.
Speaker 1: You had your jersey it tie to sc Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about that, man. It was. It was. It was crazy, man,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was one of those things
Speaker 1: to where I know it was mentioned, it was mentioned
Speaker 1: to me, and I was just like hell no, you
Speaker 1: know I I wasn't even thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: at that time. It was so much crazy stuff going
Speaker 1: on in the the beginning of the year. Um, so the
Speaker 1: school to call and you know, say we want to
Speaker 1: surprise you and you of you with retiring your jersey.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was beyond a honor, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was it was something that you know, I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe to come back home also our weekend, have
Speaker 1: family and friends there to see my jersey go up,
Speaker 1: go up there after you know, during a year um
Speaker 1: of school. You know, that goes back to my point
Speaker 1: of like, damn, I'm glad I took this route. It
Speaker 1: was a hard It was a hard route, you know,
Speaker 1: but this is why you do it years later to
Speaker 1: come back and be able to see your jersey get
Speaker 1: lifted up in front of your family, friends, and and
Speaker 1: and being bedded for life. Yeah was that? Was that?
Speaker 1: Was that your best memory as as a Trojan? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure when when in the Pectin tournament, um the
Speaker 1: first time in school history. That that was probably I
Speaker 1: gotta definitely put that number one. Was that Was that
Speaker 1: your freshman year? Yeah? That was you were You were
Speaker 1: m VP of the weren't you MVP of the tournament too? Yeah? Mvp.
Speaker 1: They counted us out. I remember going into the tournament
Speaker 1: day for us to get to the n c A
Speaker 1: tournament we had to win out to just get a
Speaker 1: spot for the big tournament. So I just remember that
Speaker 1: whole that that the game the night before I remember
Speaker 1: just telling guys like we're about to go all out, man,
Speaker 1: Like I don't plan on coming back to school, so
Speaker 1: we gotta get this tournament. We gotta get in the tournament.
Speaker 1: We gotta get it. And to do that and get
Speaker 1: m VP of it. Man, it was, it was, It was.
Speaker 1: It was some some that that I still remember to
Speaker 1: the day. Right, that was kind of like the first
Speaker 1: taste of the pros for of still you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, to go play at the Stable Center, like
Speaker 1: where the Lakers play at and Comma out there scalping tickets,
Speaker 1: selling tickets, like it was a real vibe. Remember that
Speaker 1: pulling up. Yeah, I remember pulling up in the bus
Speaker 1: and it was like, damn, this was just like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was at first time straight up. So ninth overall
Speaker 1: pick to Toronto, a care from Compton that got to
Speaker 1: stay home and go to USC and then you're drafted
Speaker 1: to go play in Canada. What was your first thought? No,
Speaker 1: it's okay. I didn't have a passport, right, I didn't
Speaker 1: even have a passport. And I remember when I got drafted,
Speaker 1: like I was terrified because nobody and my family had
Speaker 1: a passport, Like a couple of people can't even get
Speaker 1: a passport, Like like I remember going I remember going
Speaker 1: in like it seemed like I was going to a
Speaker 1: different world, you know what I mean, Like it was
Speaker 1: it was completely different from anything that I ever could
Speaker 1: expect then trying to prepare myself for winners. I had
Speaker 1: no clue about the winner. I still look, we come
Speaker 1: from California. We don't have like coats, we don't because
Speaker 1: we were set around. We don't have jackets, we didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have none of that. Bro, I'm still wearing
Speaker 1: low top chucks, you know what I mean. Like, like
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was definitely adjustment. And you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have nobody with me. I was by myself,
Speaker 1: like my first year, Like it was just me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was definitely adjustment, but
Speaker 1: it was it was beneficial for me because that it
Speaker 1: made me want to learn more on the court and
Speaker 1: and and stay in the gym, you know. And I
Speaker 1: didn't have no distractions. That was my only choice. Bro,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know where to go eat. I'm still
Speaker 1: I was still eating like gy Rose on the corner,
Speaker 1: fucking from the meat stand. Like I'm still going down
Speaker 1: there getting a little gy Rose eating street meat and
Speaker 1: all that ship go back to the to the room
Speaker 1: and wouldn't leave out and talking. I go to the gym, man, Like,
Speaker 1: that's my whole year was that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Culture shocked man. That was a loaded draft too. That
Speaker 1: was Blake Griffin went one, James Harden went three, steph
Speaker 1: went seven. You went nine. So that was that was
Speaker 1: that was a nice draft. Yeah, what was your most
Speaker 1: memorable night about draft? You know, excuse me? What was
Speaker 1: your most memorable story about draft night? Um? That my
Speaker 1: phone bill was due and I didn't have no money
Speaker 1: to pay it. The next day the phone bill, people
Speaker 1: think you rich, already got money and all that ship, right.
Speaker 1: I remember my phone was going off and I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm my bill gonna be fucking crazy. I'm gonna pay
Speaker 1: this ship tomorrow. And I remember stressing because everybody was
Speaker 1: texting me that whole night. And I'm sitting up there
Speaker 1: laughing like I'm about to get drafted and I'm worried
Speaker 1: about my phone bill. But for the far, just just
Speaker 1: just sitting there at the table with my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: knowing everything she's been through. She she she my heart,
Speaker 1: my strength. You know, I've seen her go through so
Speaker 1: much stuff my dad. You know, just just to have
Speaker 1: them to there, to to see that moment meant everything
Speaker 1: for me because you know, I remember them along Knights
Speaker 1: and them trying to figure out how we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: the lights on, how they're gonna feed me this that
Speaker 1: you know, so much ship that that day that went
Speaker 1: on them throughout my childhood that I just wanted to
Speaker 1: pay them back and to see them so happy, more
Speaker 1: than I've ever seen before in my life. You know
Speaker 1: what it may, it may the sacrifice all worth it. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's up? What was your welcome to the NBA moment? Shoot?
Speaker 1: Add a lot of those man um ship. Man. I
Speaker 1: remember I remember playing against Brandon Roy. Oh, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how nice Brandon Roy was. Listen, listen, I
Speaker 1: tell everybody that stuff, Like my my, it was Brandon
Speaker 1: Roy brother like, and the way he did it was
Speaker 1: so effortless, like I didn't even exist on the court.
Speaker 1: Like it was the most disrespectful ship I ever like
Speaker 1: encountered that that for for years, it made me so
Speaker 1: upset that he did me like that, But that was him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And in I always wondered, like, man,
Speaker 1: people don't know how Brandon Roy really was. He was
Speaker 1: a problem. He was a problem, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And and he welcomed me to the league, you know
Speaker 1: for real, Like that was a tough one. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, it was like every single night for
Speaker 1: me was something new, like and it's crazy so as
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. I remember we
Speaker 1: was playing against when he was in Charlotte, right, I
Speaker 1: remember somebody got into it. I ain't gonna say who
Speaker 1: got who, who said something, but you got into it
Speaker 1: with somebody and on my team, and they said, they said, no,
Speaker 1: my bad, Stack, and you said, yeah, I know, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And the motherfucker turned around and then say nothing back. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what is this like? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember you hit him. Look you hit
Speaker 1: him on the chest. He said, I know it show
Speaker 1: far and the motherfucker turned around, and I'm like, I'm like, listen.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a lot of moments like that
Speaker 1: was besides like the Whoman, that was a welcome to
Speaker 1: the league for me, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: I remember Shock, I remember Shack always telling somebody like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: bet too in the thousand, you won't do this right.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, bro, this is going on, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like all those was a lot
Speaker 1: of like I know, I know you're right about Shock
Speaker 1: on me to cut you out, but I gotta tell
Speaker 1: this story about Shock and Shock was very disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the referee. Shack was talking so bad to the referee
Speaker 1: one time Matt and Me and Jaman and it was like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna call a tech like somebody blow a whistle.
Speaker 1: He looked at us right in front of the referee
Speaker 1: and he told all of us this, I have a
Speaker 1: half of five hundred million in the bank. What the
Speaker 1: funk are he gonna do to me? I said? This
Speaker 1: was during the game, Matt, me and Jail just walked
Speaker 1: back to the free throw line and got ready to box.
Speaker 1: What say so? So those moments for me like was
Speaker 1: like my welcome to the lead ship. What was like? Yo?
Speaker 1: This and I like to this day I always told God,
Speaker 1: especially young guys now like y'all don't know how I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so appreciative to be able to play
Speaker 1: against y'all, you know what I mean, because that gives
Speaker 1: a different type of push on on the passion of
Speaker 1: the game. How it used to be night in and
Speaker 1: night out, like like I remember Cold. I remember my
Speaker 1: rookie year. Cold was like, no, it was my my
Speaker 1: second year. League. Cold came up with me and told me, said,
Speaker 1: I'm a value every time down. I bet you they
Speaker 1: don't call the fucking foul. He used to be like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like like like he
Speaker 1: was a hacky motherfucker boy. Oh man, mother will he
Speaker 1: will beat you up and not like you feel me.
Speaker 1: So it's like my rookie year, I had so many
Speaker 1: of those moments into me. That's that was was the
Speaker 1: craziest ship to me because you don't know what it
Speaker 1: was like. It's not like that now. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: I played against y'all era of that ship because that
Speaker 1: that was some games and ship. Man, it was a
Speaker 1: lot of games you ship going on on the court.
Speaker 1: He said, there was a lot of gangsters. You know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Is to here is to hear him talk
Speaker 1: about this. He came in in ten. You know, you
Speaker 1: finished fourteen. I finished seventeen. But to hear like our era,
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're getting old bro our era. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Yeah, yeah, man, that's crazy. We survived it though,
Speaker 1: We made it out. Yeah, where where are they now?
Speaker 1: They know we at on every TV in the motherfucking world.
Speaker 1: God David. Yeah, so you go into the Man, you
Speaker 1: go into Toronto. You didn't play with Bosh at all? Right,
Speaker 1: he left the year you came. How was it we
Speaker 1: just had him on the show recently? How was it
Speaker 1: playing with Bosh Man? It was? It was amazing, you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to know him. I was teaming up with,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the dynamic players all Stars at
Speaker 1: that time, he being a rookie, obviously knowing and understanding
Speaker 1: his game, who he was, and seeing his work ethic
Speaker 1: when I came in. I remember, Um, I mean when
Speaker 1: I came in for training camp. Um, he didn't really
Speaker 1: do training camp because I think that that summer they
Speaker 1: had did the Olympics and some someone's going on. Um,
Speaker 1: and I remember like wondering, like, damn, why ain't doing
Speaker 1: training camp? Not knowing you know, he's better and he's
Speaker 1: going through all that. But I always used to just
Speaker 1: watch his work ethic way he even if he didn't practice,
Speaker 1: how he approached the weight room when he was in
Speaker 1: the gym working out. Once he got on the court,
Speaker 1: everything he did, how he translated over to the court,
Speaker 1: and how he us just used to go out there
Speaker 1: and dominant, go out there and get forty forty five.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he on the he on the
Speaker 1: plane drinking something. And I'm like, damn you doing this
Speaker 1: the next night, next night, next night, you know, don't practice,
Speaker 1: go out get thirty seven when you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was like, and my I ain't doing this. This
Speaker 1: motherfucking is nice. So a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot for me was always just watching, you know.
Speaker 1: Um um. Then once we got a little bit closer,
Speaker 1: you know, having a conversation. You know, he always used
Speaker 1: to give me a little little small gyms and I
Speaker 1: always used to just run run with him from there,
Speaker 1: you know. And I never understood the business that young.
Speaker 1: But when guys were selling me like yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he Chris is out of here, and what you mean
Speaker 1: we still got thirty games left in the season, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably leaving. I'm like, what you mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where I thought I was gonna come up
Speaker 1: on the CEB and learn from him. But that year, um,
Speaker 1: even with him not knowing, you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: every time I see him, I tell him much. I
Speaker 1: appreciate him, um just helping me unknowingly by just watching
Speaker 1: his approach to the game, how you carried itself and
Speaker 1: everything he did. But for me, it was dope to
Speaker 1: be able to play with the least a year. Uh.
Speaker 1: Two questions? Were you a events fan before you got
Speaker 1: to Toronto? Did you did you feel any pressure? You know,
Speaker 1: we're walking in the footsteps because y'all some bus duncan
Speaker 1: motherfucker's boy. Yeah right, I definitely, I definitely was a
Speaker 1: Vince fan, especially when early on when I remember Toronto
Speaker 1: always just especially on the weekend. Toronto used to play
Speaker 1: them early as games like twelve thirty Eastern time, so
Speaker 1: he used to be nine o'clock nine thirty at a time.
Speaker 1: So I used to get up and always watch watch
Speaker 1: um Toronto games. Obviously everybody wanted to see what Vince
Speaker 1: was doing. Um how he always used to explode. So
Speaker 1: I always used to watch vins Um all those guys
Speaker 1: always was. I was. Vents is probably in my top
Speaker 1: five grunning up of players. You know that I always
Speaker 1: had to watch that. I just needed to watch see
Speaker 1: how you got down, always tried some ship he was doing. Um,
Speaker 1: so when I went, you know, I never felt like
Speaker 1: I had to you know, model my game or it
Speaker 1: was gonna be hard footsteps to follow, because you know,
Speaker 1: I just looked at it like that was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players and I'm playing for the same team,
Speaker 1: going ahead and do do do whatever I can as myself.
Speaker 1: You know, I never tried to go out there and
Speaker 1: do anything he could. Um. But as time would buy
Speaker 1: to see me slowly start to like break so many
Speaker 1: Vince records, then I started looking at it like damn,
Speaker 1: like I never thought I would have did this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So, um did it started later
Speaker 1: in my career started to look crazy and I feel
Speaker 1: crazy looking back on it, knowing that I grew up
Speaker 1: watching Vince. Now like every other day he's saying I
Speaker 1: just beat Vince record this, this, and every time I've
Speaker 1: seen him, whenever I did something, he was the first
Speaker 1: one to knowledge it. And you know it was that
Speaker 1: that part for me was was definitely crazy. Big yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, no question. Chris Bosh leaves you guys going
Speaker 1: to rebid old mode. You go from a rookie to
Speaker 1: like it's your time pretty much your team. How long
Speaker 1: did it take you to feel like you kind of
Speaker 1: really got your footing in Toronto? Um, because I wanted.
Speaker 1: I think that next year we was We was obviously terrible,
Speaker 1: but my my um, the coach at the time was like,
Speaker 1: you know, go for broke when it shooting. If you
Speaker 1: don't shoot, I'm taking you out. Who was the coach
Speaker 1: at the time. Who was the coach? Ja? Yeah, J Triana,
Speaker 1: J Triana. That was his last year and I would
Speaker 1: just remember, like you know, and now looking back on it,
Speaker 1: they wanted me to develop and just you know, go
Speaker 1: out there and be myself. So I went out there
Speaker 1: and just played played who Um. So that year was
Speaker 1: just tough because it was so much. I mean I
Speaker 1: was playing forty four minutes a game. It kind of
Speaker 1: just beat me. Yeah, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: it's show me what I needed to work on to
Speaker 1: try to survive for eighty two schedule playing against Roman
Speaker 1: getting beat up every single night. What I what I
Speaker 1: where I need to get stronger at, how to really
Speaker 1: take care of myself, take care of my body and
Speaker 1: all that. So, um, it wasn't it wasn't to my
Speaker 1: fourth year. So I really felt like, all right, I
Speaker 1: got this downpacked and I just took off running with
Speaker 1: it from there. You remember, you remember not wanting to
Speaker 1: come out the games then probably five six years then
Speaker 1: you're looking for them TV time out to looking for
Speaker 1: us up over there the first coming minute I go
Speaker 1: out of game bro. I know the TV commercials by heart.
Speaker 1: I know that when that six minute mark. But come,
Speaker 1: I'm about the foul, so be a dead boss, so
Speaker 1: be your time out what I'm yeah, that's the man? Yeah, man?
Speaker 1: How did the additions of Kyle Lowry and Dwayne Case
Speaker 1: to help you as a player and then as a
Speaker 1: as a leader of the team. So Case came my
Speaker 1: third year. Um, I want to say that was the
Speaker 1: lockout year. I want to say that was a lock
Speaker 1: of a year. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: say that maybe he was locking lock of a year.
Speaker 1: But when he came, we jumped right into it so quick,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was it was such
Speaker 1: a new addition to where you know, we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. But it was completely it felt
Speaker 1: like another start over year for for me because we
Speaker 1: got a whole new staff, we got new players. Um,
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure it out. Um, but case let
Speaker 1: me be me to this day. Uh, Dwayne Casey, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the player I am to day if it
Speaker 1: was him. You know. He put the ultimate trust in
Speaker 1: me and trust in my working ethic and allowed me
Speaker 1: to be me. He never forced me to do anything
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do. He never pressure me none.
Speaker 1: He just completely I need to be myself. You know.
Speaker 1: Then when Cale Cale came to the team, Um, we
Speaker 1: ain't get along for the first year. We played together,
Speaker 1: like I swear, like best friends. Man, And that's that's
Speaker 1: my that's my dog. He know I fight him on
Speaker 1: us on the phone right now, he know it. But
Speaker 1: that first year it was so it was so different
Speaker 1: because Cal such a Philly He's such a Philly dude,
Speaker 1: and he's such a pest. Yeah, and you know he
Speaker 1: liked so me being always being laid back and chills.
Speaker 1: Always used just to watch him, like, man, who is
Speaker 1: he Like? I never talked to him. We never had
Speaker 1: a conversation my first year together. And I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have his number. We didn't go eat, we
Speaker 1: didn't sit by each other on the plane, we didn't
Speaker 1: nothing when I tell you nothing. Only time we talked
Speaker 1: when he called the play like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But um, what made me respect him was how hard
Speaker 1: he went like he was always the first dude, the
Speaker 1: first dude. He was the first dude that came in
Speaker 1: the gym in the morning. He didn't did he didn't
Speaker 1: got stretched, left shot, she got stretched again. And we're
Speaker 1: just walking in getting ready for practice. So now when
Speaker 1: practice come, it's like he chilling and practice. I'm not
Speaker 1: why you ain't practice, but he didn't worked out harder
Speaker 1: than what we're about to do in practice beforehand. Now
Speaker 1: it's just basically like a teaching tool for everybody. For
Speaker 1: him when we started practice, and he used to do
Speaker 1: that ship so effort like with no effort. So I
Speaker 1: used to just always watch him, always watching him to
Speaker 1: where you know, I had to do nothing but respect that.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I started doing that, we just
Speaker 1: started clicking unknowingly. And I remember that next year we
Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs, um, because we we had
Speaker 1: a tricky season earlier that season. Um, the following season,
Speaker 1: I think we started off like six and twelve. He
Speaker 1: was about to get traded. I was about to get traded.
Speaker 1: That was about to blow up the whole thing again.
Speaker 1: And I remember me and col just came together like, look,
Speaker 1: you already got a deal to get traded in a
Speaker 1: couple of days. They're just waiting on some some some
Speaker 1: ship to get final. And I had asked for a trade,
Speaker 1: and we was like, well, fun, we got a week left.
Speaker 1: And that week we we we played like like we
Speaker 1: was on the West Coast road trip. We left out
Speaker 1: of it like four or five. Next thing you know,
Speaker 1: we we wrote them. I'm talking about we beat some teams.
Speaker 1: We beat the Lakers. We we wouldn't go to State one.
Speaker 1: We beat some teams and we're back home to where
Speaker 1: it was like fuck it, let's just let's just let's
Speaker 1: go for broke. We hoop that that that season, I
Speaker 1: made the All Star team and we made it to
Speaker 1: the playoff play Brooklyn. That's when Brooklyn had everybody, all
Speaker 1: the old guys, KG, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, and we
Speaker 1: with seven games with him. My first time to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: most of us first time to the playoffs, and we
Speaker 1: just we without it. And I just remember how Cal played.
Speaker 1: I remember he all played, Darren Williams, he we was
Speaker 1: was going at it with with Joe Um Paul kg
Speaker 1: like and we held our own and lost Game seven
Speaker 1: by by point. And from that moment in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I had nothing but respect for him because every day
Speaker 1: he laid it out there. He didn't care about if
Speaker 1: he bust his job, open bust his lit. He the
Speaker 1: first one to get up off the floor and keep pushing.
Speaker 1: So I think from the year that's what that just
Speaker 1: with like took off with our friendship and everything. That's
Speaker 1: crazy how it started. I ain't never heard that story.
Speaker 1: That's what's up. So that was two thousand and fourteen.
Speaker 1: You guys lose to uh to Brooklyn in the seven
Speaker 1: game series. Two fifteen, you guys lose to Washington two experiences.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you took some of the game seven.
Speaker 1: Then you get swept the following year. So you come
Speaker 1: into sixteen and you guys beat Indiana and seven, beat
Speaker 1: Miami and seven. Now you guys are on the East
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, finds against Lebron. James paint that
Speaker 1: picture for me. So going into that UM, it was
Speaker 1: tough because we were putting ourselves in tricky situations the series.
Speaker 1: UM going Game seven it's a game seven, being mentally exhausted, exhausted,
Speaker 1: then going play against Cleveland, Um, give me, I think
Speaker 1: we got killed first two games in Cleveland, and you know,
Speaker 1: turned on ESPN seeing everything on social media basically saying
Speaker 1: like we we didn't have no chance um killing us,
Speaker 1: killing me and cal And you know, it was another
Speaker 1: conversation me and Cowe just sitting and a half. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: we we gotta go. We gotta go for broke man, Like,
Speaker 1: we just gotta go out there and let you know,
Speaker 1: we go back home. We went two games in a row. Um,
Speaker 1: then eventually we we we felt we felt to him
Speaker 1: in six. But you know, it was a big test
Speaker 1: for us because it was under so much and playing
Speaker 1: against Brown, you know, it was it was tough. You know,
Speaker 1: the experience wasn't there. We didn't really understand what it
Speaker 1: really took to kind of get over that hump. You know,
Speaker 1: we was fighting amongst ourselves trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: but to get what we got being counted out beginning
Speaker 1: of the season to the season playoffs, you know, we
Speaker 1: did a lot. What was Battle of Lebron on that stage, Like, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was such a challenge because that was
Speaker 1: the first time in a in a moment like that
Speaker 1: of playing against the player that that was locked in,
Speaker 1: like like he was a coach, like he was like
Speaker 1: like you know, it was the first time like being
Speaker 1: in a series where you know, we call in to
Speaker 1: play and when our teammates came in the game and
Speaker 1: he forgets to play, we was running and Brian telling
Speaker 1: what to do on our play and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like small ship like that, you know what, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it just shows you, like, yo, dude is
Speaker 1: on a different level that none of us haven't been
Speaker 1: to or understand in the moment when it comes down
Speaker 1: to this, and it was it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was crazy because it was like, you know, if everybody
Speaker 1: not on wint the court and everybody don't know what
Speaker 1: to do and you have a leader that that been
Speaker 1: in the moments that that that knows what it takes,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna fall behind the eight ball just
Speaker 1: off just off that mental, that mental side of the game.
Speaker 1: And you know, looking back at that moment, she shows you,
Speaker 1: like why it's so tough to beat this motherfucking them
Speaker 1: in them situations. It's hard to win beat just beat
Speaker 1: him four games, like and you're telling me we're not
Speaker 1: on the same page where you can't remember played, but
Speaker 1: this motherfucker don't play. Yeah, we we were was in
Speaker 1: it in for m so he would kind of be
Speaker 1: a roadblock for the next two years to seventeen and
Speaker 1: eighteen played them in the second round. He knocks you
Speaker 1: guys out. What was it like knowing that you guys
Speaker 1: were a good team but just not that next level
Speaker 1: because he was going to the finals every year and
Speaker 1: he obviously wasn't measuring stick. What was that like between
Speaker 1: you and Kyle and your team at that time? It
Speaker 1: was it was frustrating because every every time we got
Speaker 1: knocked out, we was trying to figure it out. We
Speaker 1: were just trying to figure out like our whole mindset
Speaker 1: when it came to the playoffs from that point on
Speaker 1: was you know, we gotta get past one person, Like
Speaker 1: we just gotta get past one person man, Like that
Speaker 1: really was the motive. How can we do that? What
Speaker 1: we need to be able to do that? And we
Speaker 1: just tried a whole bunch of stuff and every time
Speaker 1: we ran it to him. I think it's some ways
Speaker 1: we kind of like panic, trying to overdo it, try
Speaker 1: to overthink it instead of like, you know, making it
Speaker 1: simple for ourselves. And you know, we just kept finding
Speaker 1: ourselves in that same position, not being able to get
Speaker 1: over the arm. M hm. So obviously trades are part
Speaker 1: of the business, um what they say. But obviously you
Speaker 1: being someone who was you know, planted in the roots
Speaker 1: of Toronto, so to speak, um, and then you get
Speaker 1: traded for Kauai Leonard, what was it like? We're surprised.
Speaker 1: I've heard you speak on it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but I, like, you know, our guests to hear, like,
Speaker 1: what was your thought when you're first like, yo, you're
Speaker 1: really getting traded right now? And then you hear you're
Speaker 1: getting traded for Quiet Leonard. M m Um. I remember
Speaker 1: that when we lost that that last series. I knew
Speaker 1: someone's gonna happen. Um. Rather you know, fire to Coach
Speaker 1: traded me or Cal. I just knew someone's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And we we Me and Cal talked about it every
Speaker 1: day like and something's gonna happen, Something's gonna happ um.
Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks go by after we lost UM,
Speaker 1: then Bron Bron decided to go to l A. So
Speaker 1: we like, well, ship, that's the only person being lost too.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have one more chance at this thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like and that kind of like
Speaker 1: ease that kind of like ease our our mind for
Speaker 1: a second, because we're like, man, it's only one more
Speaker 1: fucker that we that we haven't been able to get past,
Speaker 1: like fucking we're about to at least running back one
Speaker 1: more time and give it a shot. Um. And that
Speaker 1: was our mindset until you know, I kept hearing a
Speaker 1: few things, hearing a few things. So when it happened, Um,
Speaker 1: when I got the call being traded, Um, it was
Speaker 1: I was like at a movie premiere or something. I remember,
Speaker 1: I left, I got the call, and I was in
Speaker 1: the car. I got out the car, so walking down
Speaker 1: the street, and it just it tripped me out because
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, at that time, you know, I
Speaker 1: was nine years in, fully dedicated, and I was just
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I wanted to get one more
Speaker 1: shot at it, especially with Brian being gonna you know,
Speaker 1: and not that get the opportunity. I think that's what
Speaker 1: hurt the most instead of getting traded, because you know,
Speaker 1: I had in my mind that you know she ain't
Speaker 1: gonna last forever, you know, in a sense of like,
Speaker 1: you know, something's gonna happen if if we don't get
Speaker 1: to the finals or compete for a championship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um So for me, just not getting
Speaker 1: the opportunity hurt, hurt the worst. So you're getting traded
Speaker 1: for Kauai the year Lebron leaves, leaving the team that
Speaker 1: we were drafted by nine years with, leaving your best friend,
Speaker 1: seeing Kawai go over there in them triple bounced their
Speaker 1: way into the finals, the Warriors drop life flies and
Speaker 1: you see your team that you were just traded from,
Speaker 1: that you put your blood, sweat and tears in it
Speaker 1: win a championship. How difficult was that to kind of
Speaker 1: digest and kind of understand? Man, it was tough from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of you know, all you it started to
Speaker 1: seem like I was the problem. You know. That was
Speaker 1: the most frustrating part, was like people looking at it,
Speaker 1: Oh they're doing it soon as see so as he leave,
Speaker 1: oh see, maybe he was the problem the whole time.
Speaker 1: That was the most frustrating part for me, you know.
Speaker 1: And and that was the part that sucked and hurt
Speaker 1: it the most of me because it's like, man, any
Speaker 1: any real motherfucker's like, look, we can get past one person.
Speaker 1: You're trying to me with the problem. The problem went
Speaker 1: to l A, that's problem. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're telling me that, Come on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that was the part that was more frustrating that
Speaker 1: you know, the common minded person who just watching sees
Speaker 1: sees the game or sees them go all the way
Speaker 1: and look at it like see, yeah, all we have
Speaker 1: to do is get more out of here, and you
Speaker 1: know they go all the way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that was the frustrating part that every single
Speaker 1: day it used to make me want to last shout
Speaker 1: like and say something. But I'm like, no, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just eat it. I'm gonna just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna just deal with it. I'm gonna deal
Speaker 1: with because at the same time, all my potler is
Speaker 1: still there, people that basically raised me, still working that
Speaker 1: organization that I still talked to to this day. Um
Speaker 1: So every single guy, I think I said it over
Speaker 1: and over, every single guy when they struggled in the series.
Speaker 1: I had a bad game. I was the first one
Speaker 1: to texting tell them, you know, hold your head, try
Speaker 1: to do this, do this. When they won, I was
Speaker 1: the first person of texting every last person that I
Speaker 1: played with on that team told him congratulations FaceTime on
Speaker 1: that same night. So it was never no animosity towards them.
Speaker 1: It was just more so like the perception of the
Speaker 1: whole thing was more frustrating than anything what a real
Speaker 1: would do. Mm hmm. Now in San Antonio, how does it?
Speaker 1: How was it been building a relationship with Pop? I know,
Speaker 1: with me, I needed Pop coming until the beginning of
Speaker 1: my career because I talking about to be a professionally,
Speaker 1: talking about be a man. And he taught me how
Speaker 1: to prepare myself, to earn my menutes and and and
Speaker 1: to stay on the court, a lot of different things
Speaker 1: with me. But how was it building a relationship with
Speaker 1: Pop one of the great I would? I think it
Speaker 1: was easy? Um for me, you know, coming in being
Speaker 1: an established player, you know, um, listen, you know I
Speaker 1: never had on issues or anything. I was always always
Speaker 1: all ears so coming in, you know, just being able
Speaker 1: to build you know, more than anybody stack when he
Speaker 1: said let's break bread together, on the dinners and all
Speaker 1: that you sit and talk to him and had them
Speaker 1: conversations and you know, you know, pick each other's brain.
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was It was a great
Speaker 1: simple transition. You know what. I remember my first probably
Speaker 1: like twenty games, Popo, you just called me right after
Speaker 1: the game, before I even got home, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, give me certain you know, if advice that
Speaker 1: I needed, you know, take it easy, to take it slow,
Speaker 1: don't worry about this, this, this, and it kind of
Speaker 1: made my transition real, real, smooth and easy, um for me.
Speaker 1: So it was great, you know for the most part.
Speaker 1: Other he gives. He gives a different dynamic as a coach.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know more than anybody's that as
Speaker 1: far as like, you know, putting life in perspective, not
Speaker 1: just basketball, you know. Uh, for me, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a dope quality to be able to go to
Speaker 1: work and and have some days to really break down
Speaker 1: that you know, we play basketball for living. We get
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money and play basketball, but you
Speaker 1: know it's a real reality of life that's going on,
Speaker 1: you know, and really put things in perspective. So for me,
Speaker 1: that that's been a dope part to be able to
Speaker 1: have a conversation and talk to him about Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a fine line of things that he made
Speaker 1: me understand, Like it's it's cool. It's cool to to
Speaker 1: come into this game and be a basketball player and
Speaker 1: do all this, but at the same time, everything else
Speaker 1: you gotta earn. There's nothing's gonna be given to Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a basketball player, you have the great life, but
Speaker 1: in real life, you have to earn it. And that's
Speaker 1: what I always got from Pop. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Get you in the NBA. I love you. Y're gonna
Speaker 1: treat you like a son. I want your part of
Speaker 1: this organization. But in real life you have to earn everything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's dope and he always and you know, you
Speaker 1: know what's crazy, my bad man to cut you off.
Speaker 1: It's always funny speaking about Popping all that. I remember Pop.
Speaker 1: They told me a story about when y'all was playing
Speaker 1: the Golden State. Y'all had just gotten an argument, something
Speaker 1: happened um about some and y'all before the game. He
Speaker 1: played your music video in the locker room and like
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, like I how you told the
Speaker 1: story when he said, y'all, I just got into it
Speaker 1: or something, and the making light of the whole situation
Speaker 1: where y'all came in the locker room for the game
Speaker 1: he played, he played one of the rest video. That's
Speaker 1: you know, we all we all sat down for film.
Speaker 1: I remember that. So he played, he didn't play me.
Speaker 1: He's pulled me out the game last game. I was mad,
Speaker 1: So I can't you know me mad. I showed up
Speaker 1: to shoot around and practice the next day. Attitude, don't
Speaker 1: want to be there. You know what when I was
Speaker 1: starting at that I was starting at the time, and
Speaker 1: so I come to the locker room. I ain't say
Speaker 1: nothing to him all day. You know, Tim was trying
Speaker 1: to get me out of it. Man. We said down, man,
Speaker 1: you know I got the mug on video. Come on
Speaker 1: through feting ready prep for the game. It's one of
Speaker 1: my I was one of my rout videos. Everybody busts
Speaker 1: out laughing dogs. But he knew what he knew what
Speaker 1: he was doing because it got me out of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They got everybody and he's
Speaker 1: a genius at that ship. Yes, yes, that's so. That's
Speaker 1: that's my point to speak on pop on how fucking
Speaker 1: much of a gens he is so all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean? Now you don't forgot
Speaker 1: the whole situation. You know that's what's up. There was
Speaker 1: mind games, that's if that's what Phil Jackson was great.
Speaker 1: That was one thing I appreciate about him, the way
Speaker 1: he moved and knew how to push people's buttons to
Speaker 1: get the best out of him. You guys are in
Speaker 1: a tough Western conference with a good mix of vets
Speaker 1: and young players. Obviously, you know rumors swirl in the
Speaker 1: off season. Um, you hear it just like we hear it.
Speaker 1: But when you hear you possibly to the Lakers. Like
Speaker 1: being someone who grew up in l A. Who was
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe was quote unquote your m J. I
Speaker 1: know you're a spur, but growing up, did you ever
Speaker 1: pitch yourself in that purple and goat? No? Of course,
Speaker 1: no question, of course, Oh yeah no, I was. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was with his dad. I
Speaker 1: was a showtime That's where I grew up as so
Speaker 1: it was always a dream of mine to put the
Speaker 1: purple and gold. You kind of you kind of remind
Speaker 1: me of a light skinned Michael Cooper, you're stupid as hell.
Speaker 1: The high socks and the baby shorts. But hey, but hey,
Speaker 1: but you said light skinned because you and cook for
Speaker 1: about two y'all the same color. Facts. Facts, Go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, the yeah, no, without a doubt, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You always have them dreams of doing it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and for me, it's
Speaker 1: it's I've learned bingl EA so long the tape like
Speaker 1: it's it's you always want to be wanted, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So when you see things about teams
Speaker 1: wanting you, you know you can't feel a certain type
Speaker 1: of way, you better feel good about it, because it's
Speaker 1: it's some other funks that not wanted. That that that's
Speaker 1: that's you know, you know you don't want to be
Speaker 1: you don't want to be that person, you know, So
Speaker 1: to be wanted by by championship team that just came
Speaker 1: off a championship, you know, to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: how how could you not feel some type of especially
Speaker 1: needed being from l A. It's like, damn, you know,
Speaker 1: my my hometown team want me. They just came off
Speaker 1: a championship. They want me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it definitely Um, it's crazy to be able to
Speaker 1: see that, you know what I mean? But anybody know
Speaker 1: whatever jersey I got on, you know, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leat it out there on the line and represent it.
Speaker 1: That's why I can. You always want to be in
Speaker 1: the wanted category. You don't want to be in the
Speaker 1: wanted categories. They don't want a category. Trust me, I know,
Speaker 1: where do you got? Where do you guys? Where do
Speaker 1: you guys practice? Jack? What's the little area called that
Speaker 1: they practice in the San Antonio? What's the city called
Speaker 1: that the practice facilities in? Do you know? Uh? San
Speaker 1: Antonio is in? San Antonio's started eight? It started eight? Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know the let's see, I forgot it's been
Speaker 1: away anyway, San Antonio or Elsa Gundo down by the
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Elsa Gundo by the beach. But now this, uh,
Speaker 1: this interview is no either way, you're gonna get some
Speaker 1: your Mexican food. I'm to my real mexicool. Not that
Speaker 1: not that, not that text makes ship. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: real Mexican food. Yeah, l A and Texas. I mean,
Speaker 1: this interview is not gonna drop for a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks because obviously we team double Complex and Complex Land
Speaker 1: for this. So I'm just putting it out there. By
Speaker 1: the time this drops, hopefully you'll be a Laker. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see you in that uniform. You don't have
Speaker 1: to come in on it. That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get you in trouble. But that's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm like. That's good to me, Matt, straight up.
Speaker 1: I can say that all I want. Yeah, it looks
Speaker 1: good to us. The Hall of Fame class Kobe kg
Speaker 1: duncan talk about that man you name name another one
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that got some great names like that,
Speaker 1: That's that's ship man like that man, that's one of
Speaker 1: those ones that I wish I could go to it
Speaker 1: and be able to witness just all the greatness that's
Speaker 1: around man. Like like you said, rest in peace, Kobe,
Speaker 1: I wish I wish I was being was there too.
Speaker 1: You know, here's here speech, you know, but it's I
Speaker 1: don't see I don't see another class that that that
Speaker 1: could top that with them, Guys, I'm dead man. You're
Speaker 1: talking about arguably one of the best shoot guards of
Speaker 1: all time. Um to the best power forwards of all time.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, it's it's it's crazy. It's crazy. And
Speaker 1: February two, thou eighteen, Um, outside of basketball, to me,
Speaker 1: you did one of the most important things you've ever done,
Speaker 1: probably without even knowing at the time, but you discussed
Speaker 1: your battles with mental health. And it's been something that
Speaker 1: in our community in particular, to show weakness from from
Speaker 1: a child, is that it's weak. You don't do it.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't complain, you don't do this, you
Speaker 1: don't do that. You're tougher out. We're talked to tougher out.
Speaker 1: We're taught not to cry, We're taught to be tough.
Speaker 1: And you broke your silence. What made you break your silence? Uh,
Speaker 1: the way you did on Twitter? Um, I think like
Speaker 1: the week before All Star weekend, we was on the road.
Speaker 1: We was on the road and I hadn't seen my
Speaker 1: kids and in a while. Man, it was on the road,
Speaker 1: and I remember I think we played like in Shock
Speaker 1: Chicago or something. I flew home All Star weekend, so
Speaker 1: I get a couple of days before, you know, the
Speaker 1: all the weekend festivity start. So um, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm going home and see my kids, not
Speaker 1: knowing like I'm a startup of the All Star team
Speaker 1: in l A where I'm from. Everybody in a mama
Speaker 1: accent for something. Everybody wants something. Everybody and Mama think
Speaker 1: we're about to hang out and kick it. The only
Speaker 1: thing on my mind is to go see my kids,
Speaker 1: spend time with them. And I remember getting home and
Speaker 1: it's like, as soon as I touched down, everybody in
Speaker 1: the mama just pulling it and pulling it and pulling
Speaker 1: it and needing someone on and some got something to
Speaker 1: say this that, and it's like, I just want to
Speaker 1: see my kids, man like putting a different type of
Speaker 1: pressure on me and that, and and I think I
Speaker 1: just had a build up of being fatigued from the season.
Speaker 1: Um people just on my head and just the overwhelmness,
Speaker 1: overwhelming of everything that that was going on. I just
Speaker 1: remember laying down in the middle night, like three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, like, man, I got nobody talked to man,
Speaker 1: I go to Twitter. I tweeted, man I lay down,
Speaker 1: not knowing the next day we got uh media, not
Speaker 1: knowing the whole media is gonna be there and asking
Speaker 1: me questions about this tweet. And I remember waking up, um,
Speaker 1: everybody calling me like, man, you know what you just tweeted?
Speaker 1: What you mean this? And that? Like it was? It
Speaker 1: was it was so much stuff to where it's like damn,
Speaker 1: and it just put me in a place like, man,
Speaker 1: fuck it. Man, I've been through so much in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm just about to express and say what's on my
Speaker 1: mind and what I've been the way because I've been
Speaker 1: internalizing so much stuff that I had never even dressed
Speaker 1: growing up in Compton, from high school, of things that
Speaker 1: I've seen witness and been through, things I went through
Speaker 1: in college, things I was going through at the time,
Speaker 1: like so much, so much pain and frustration and things
Speaker 1: that we get so great at just sweeping under a rug.
Speaker 1: You just got to a point to where it was
Speaker 1: just it was just built up and I was lashed out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and it turned out
Speaker 1: to be something that became a tool and and and
Speaker 1: something I can help other people with. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: what I always say. You know sometimes when people say
Speaker 1: why do you share stuff publicly? Because it was just
Speaker 1: for the with what you said, it's tools for other people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when they see someone on
Speaker 1: the levels we've been to in the Cops that we've accomplished.
Speaker 1: Knowing that we battle with the same kind of stuff
Speaker 1: um that they do makes us more relatable first and foremost,
Speaker 1: but then also encourages people, you know, and and it
Speaker 1: brings a voice to what what has been voice us
Speaker 1: in our community for so long, you know. Ic sually,
Speaker 1: Kevin Loves spoke on it, Dak Prescott spoke on it.
Speaker 1: Paul George recently spoke on it about being in the
Speaker 1: bubble um. Is this anything that you've talked to other
Speaker 1: people who have experienced it, not necessarily like praid paid help,
Speaker 1: but other players or people who have gone through what
Speaker 1: you've gone through with your depression. Yeah, And it's crazy
Speaker 1: because it's like I find myself having a conversation with
Speaker 1: people that people would never think have something going on,
Speaker 1: and the being able to have that dialogue with people,
Speaker 1: and you see the weight left off their shoulders from
Speaker 1: just feeling comfortable with another person that you know, you
Speaker 1: know they've been through something and can kind of you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of feel different, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: always tell people it's like, you know, why why do
Speaker 1: we listen to music? Our music changed every single day
Speaker 1: because we probably can relate to it and make us
Speaker 1: feel better. We we get someone else story of what
Speaker 1: they got going on in their life, what makes us
Speaker 1: feel better because it don't make us go along, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's the same way for people.
Speaker 1: But so many people just scared to share that story
Speaker 1: and and and want to sit in front of another
Speaker 1: person because they're scared to being judged or this and that.
Speaker 1: You know, For me, I just got to points where
Speaker 1: it's like, can't nobody come at me or degrade me
Speaker 1: for for for my morals or what type of man
Speaker 1: I've been through? Because what type of man I am?
Speaker 1: Because I know what I've been through, I know what
Speaker 1: I made it through. I know why I'm at in
Speaker 1: my life now. So um, you know, just giving somebody
Speaker 1: else those words will will definitely do a lot. That's
Speaker 1: so we definitely commend you for your braveness because like
Speaker 1: you said, it's it's tough. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: have the courage to speak up on it, and and
Speaker 1: and you putting it out there, like you said, we're
Speaker 1: able to use it as a vehicle to help us,
Speaker 1: which is dope, man, So good work with that. Recently, Uh,
Speaker 1: p J. Tucker claims to be. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's self reclaimed or everyone, but he claims to have
Speaker 1: the most shoes and I saw that you almost or
Speaker 1: did you outdo him? I mean you got a gang
Speaker 1: of shoes talking to us about your shoe collections. So
Speaker 1: p J is my man. We played together for a year. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know p J shows off his shoes. I
Speaker 1: love him to death, but when it comes to them shoes,
Speaker 1: I've always been a modest person, Like you know, I
Speaker 1: played a black background with everything I do. I just
Speaker 1: sit back and watch anything. But it was just one
Speaker 1: day I was in a good mood. I was like,
Speaker 1: man tongue, keep posting the shoes. Don't make me like
Speaker 1: kill off your shoe collections. Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those moments like I know,
Speaker 1: I know who the I know who the Kobe guard
Speaker 1: is man. Yeah, yeah heard Martin got about four five
Speaker 1: d ms for me. Asked the shoes. It's nobody. There's
Speaker 1: nobody by far i've seen with the cleanest Kobe is.
Speaker 1: He's definitely no. When it comes when it comes to
Speaker 1: coach by Far and not one person in his NBA
Speaker 1: I used to tell I used I used to tell
Speaker 1: being man, I said, you're the only person who got
Speaker 1: more shoes. Got you got more your shoes than me?
Speaker 1: Like that's it. I used tell them all it's out.
Speaker 1: I used to I used to get shoes from him
Speaker 1: everything ever since I was in the twelfth grade in college, like, man,
Speaker 1: I need those, like so um that that that would
Speaker 1: be my thing. So you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: one of those moments with with PJ, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I love people, I know people love on them shooting
Speaker 1: that the head out there and love shoes. So it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things where I was just like
Speaker 1: I'm a um, I'm gonna Tucking just just just makes
Speaker 1: it fun of him. Ship, No, you got you got,
Speaker 1: you got some shoes. You definitely could compete. I tell
Speaker 1: you this, I tell you that. So how many do
Speaker 1: you think you have? And why? You know, every everybody's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that say they should be sneakerhead king.
Speaker 1: You know you got Djo, you got PJ Tuck, You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of people. So how many do you
Speaker 1: think you have? And why should you wear the crown?
Speaker 1: I give you the crown for Kobe? Why should you
Speaker 1: think you should be the sneakerhead crown um. One, I
Speaker 1: don't show of my shoes. Two it's been just been okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of people show off their shoes and one
Speaker 1: of flex like they got It's cool. You could anybody
Speaker 1: could pull out four pair of exclusions and be like, look,
Speaker 1: I got them all. But let's see the whole Let's
Speaker 1: see the whole thing. Let's see the whole thing. Let's
Speaker 1: see the you know what I mean, not just not
Speaker 1: just your closet, because I got a couple of closets
Speaker 1: and a couple of houses that's full of like some
Speaker 1: some months, and I got some stories, just got some storages,
Speaker 1: and I got like, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: becomes a whole different type of game. You'll want to
Speaker 1: play the shoe game, like, nah, don't you don't want this,
Speaker 1: Don't you don't want this smoke when it comes come
Speaker 1: to it. Nah, man, that's funny, that's funny. So obviously
Speaker 1: talking about codes, I heard a story about earlier on
Speaker 1: your career. You wore them, obviously been wearing them since
Speaker 1: the twelfth grade when you played against Kobe Did you
Speaker 1: wear his shoes? Did you wear a different shoes so
Speaker 1: so earlier on I remember, I remember who's saying something
Speaker 1: to me? Uh? I want to, I want to. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna as Vince if you remember this. I remember Vince.
Speaker 1: We was playing against Vince. I want to say. Was
Speaker 1: he playing in Phoenix or something? Vince was like, when
Speaker 1: you play against Code, did you wear shoes? I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know I have meant yet, Like why now you
Speaker 1: you know I was supposed to wear somebody your appoint
Speaker 1: opponent shoe, a black something like. All right, So next
Speaker 1: time I played Colde, I wore some Jordan's bro fucking bang.
Speaker 1: I should have did as soon as I walked on
Speaker 1: the court. As soon as I walked on the court,
Speaker 1: Colde was like, oh that's what we're doing, motherfucker, and
Speaker 1: didn't say nothing to me the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: Ry and you just sounded so much like it right
Speaker 1: there when he said that, you sounded just like Kobe
Speaker 1: right there. Dude, that's crazy. He was h he was off.
Speaker 1: What that game? I swart a guy. You can find
Speaker 1: a game too, bro. I remember he hit the game
Speaker 1: when a shot in Toronto, Bro, I remember I had
Speaker 1: hit when somebody hit a shot put us up like
Speaker 1: one just they called the time out front of our bench.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker's walked past our bench when was in the
Speaker 1: hun said you left me too much time, came out,
Speaker 1: hit the game, win it right. So I was like, man,
Speaker 1: so at the game and talked to him. He was
Speaker 1: like like, damn, man, my bad. You know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So we went in the whole conversation. That's kind of
Speaker 1: like when the whole like the Team Mama things started
Speaker 1: coming about, you know what I mean, like, all right, cool, look,
Speaker 1: look we're gonna start this whole Mama thing off. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that that kind of kicks it
Speaker 1: off with the shoes and anything. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: just ran off with it. That's what That's a that's
Speaker 1: a crazy story. That's yeah. I don't think I never
Speaker 1: told that. Yeah, but yeah, I swear to god that
Speaker 1: was him when you said it, because he didn't said
Speaker 1: that plenty of times. That ship was crazy man. So
Speaker 1: that's that's how that's how Team Mama started. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like that conversation from that to where it was like, look,
Speaker 1: look we're just gonna do it from here. You you
Speaker 1: you you the main option when it comes to it
Speaker 1: to this, and from then I had start rocking them
Speaker 1: um all exclusively because I want to say like that
Speaker 1: next year he started, you know, he had the knee
Speaker 1: injury at to show the injury. He started, you know,
Speaker 1: getting hurt in the last couple of years to be
Speaker 1: the first one to wear the shoes. So I started
Speaker 1: to be the first one to debut all the shoes
Speaker 1: um and doing them in our color way, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of took off from there. That's hell, what's
Speaker 1: your relationship like with Drake? See, dud you was in
Speaker 1: Tronto for nine years, he's sononyous with the culture. He's
Speaker 1: worked his way to team Ambassador Ovo practice facility. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just it's just all there.
Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with him? Man? That's that's that's
Speaker 1: my dog and all. Honestly, besides two years and anything,
Speaker 1: that's really that's really one of my opartments. One of
Speaker 1: my friends. I called them acts for anything. Hit him
Speaker 1: whatever I need, you know what I mean. That's really
Speaker 1: really one of my pottish great dude man, been the
Speaker 1: same since day one. My first you know, my my
Speaker 1: rookie year was you know, the start of his career,
Speaker 1: you know, so to come up and have that relationship
Speaker 1: with him through through the whole process has definitely been
Speaker 1: been one of a con you know, to see where
Speaker 1: he had now and you know he's been to the house,
Speaker 1: you know, you know my dog man, good dude, have
Speaker 1: you have you been to the city drake that new
Speaker 1: house he got? No, I was supposed to go and
Speaker 1: we played in Toronto, but he didn't get in time.
Speaker 1: Get get back in town of time, um man um
Speaker 1: this past year. But I definitely want to see that man,
Speaker 1: crazy man. All right, last us. We're in the home
Speaker 1: stretch right here. Three artists. You're currently listening to three.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. It could be old anybody whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever you're listening to right now, three of them. Man,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Mm hmm. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 1: I've been listening um Keen von rest in Peace, Mr Peace,
Speaker 1: k von rescup Peace more three too yeah three? Um
Speaker 1: you know Keen von lady, Uh my dog problem. I'm
Speaker 1: poler for contact and listen to him. He got something.
Speaker 1: He got some new music coming. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah music,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, he got he just dropped some new new
Speaker 1: um new one cushion coffee not to a couple of
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, okay, um who else?
Speaker 1: And then, um, I keep it simple man came rest
Speaker 1: in peace? Yeah always h You already know if you
Speaker 1: made a soundtrack of your life three songs, you would
Speaker 1: have a rotation two parts. So many uh so many
Speaker 1: tis h yeah classic u um um oh that's a
Speaker 1: gooing that one for show? Um oh damn, oh that's
Speaker 1: a going one. You got look at my playlist damn Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got we got him now, mad, we got him
Speaker 1: now mad. Yeah. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to just say anything right right, I said, so many
Speaker 1: tears is a good start, though, I got that. That's
Speaker 1: the hell of a start. Um Ken Drake Element mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Gotta go to kid drink Element. That's that's a deep
Speaker 1: that's a deep one. Yeah. We need some new Kendrick
Speaker 1: music too. Oh it's it's coming. Um who's it going?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm said some minutes kids you them Element, some drags,
Speaker 1: some nip who else? Yeah, um uh stuck in the
Speaker 1: grind Yalla. I played that song like. I played that
Speaker 1: song like ten times today driving back from my workout
Speaker 1: just kept playing. Yeah, yeah, that's a good call. I
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Um, toughest player you've ever had,
Speaker 1: the guard um Kevin Martin. Mm hmm, well sne I
Speaker 1: was a sneaky one right there. Yeah, very people. Don't
Speaker 1: forget that, mother Kevin Martin. Yeah, and he was someone
Speaker 1: who learned. He learned how to get that running. Flo
Speaker 1: shipped off too. He started doing it before the heat,
Speaker 1: anybody before Louie. He he was a pro with that
Speaker 1: ship you he's the first one easily go shoot fourteen
Speaker 1: sixteen three day he was. But Kevin, But Kevin Martin,
Speaker 1: he would He would fool you though, because not only
Speaker 1: was good with getting files, but he didn't guard you.
Speaker 1: So you think that he let me score is easy?
Speaker 1: Should I let him scored? Is easy? Guard nobody? He
Speaker 1: wasn't guard nobody. Dogs. Come on, now, he wasn't guarding nobody.
Speaker 1: I said him. I know, I know that was I
Speaker 1: know that was a random one, but it was him
Speaker 1: in for short D way Flash, Yeah the way early
Speaker 1: on when he was Flash, when he used to have
Speaker 1: the whole skin report. Don't let him cross back over
Speaker 1: and reject the screen. You gotta make him either way,
Speaker 1: either way, he was in trouble. You knew that ship
Speaker 1: was coming. He's still doing it. Set you up and
Speaker 1: cross you right back to the baseline every time. Top
Speaker 1: five sneakers of all time. We know you like the Kovies,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's the top five sneakers all time.
Speaker 1: Top five. You gotta go with the Jordan once. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the m Jordan. Was Jordan's five
Speaker 1: Jordan threes. You gotta put some You gotta put some
Speaker 1: chucks in there. Don't play with yourself. Definitely put some chucks. Um,
Speaker 1: and you gotta go with pennies. You gotta put the
Speaker 1: phone pop West Coast. You already know. That ship made
Speaker 1: me laugh though, because I remember when I first went
Speaker 1: out to Philly my second year. I got traded with
Speaker 1: c Web, But I was out in Philly in in
Speaker 1: February with chucks on on, like walking on that street
Speaker 1: that's like walking with socks on. Like it was codas
Speaker 1: the motherfucker out there. Man. What I didn't had no
Speaker 1: code and nothing. That ship hit home earlier when you
Speaker 1: said bro I went. I had to deal with the
Speaker 1: cold like I had never I was what twenty two
Speaker 1: maybe never been in up like probably been in snow twice.
Speaker 1: I was living in Philly. Bro. If I didn't get
Speaker 1: to just blow dope the whole time, I might have
Speaker 1: died out there anyway. Uh. Five dinner guests, dead or alive?
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests. Um ho mm hmmm. Denzel, you said, Dinzel,
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington. Hope, Denzel Washington. Uh, Mohammed Ali nice uh
Speaker 1: um Hope Denzel Mohammed Ali. Oh yeah, mm hmm cold
Speaker 1: um yeah. Mike Tyson, Oh, Mike Tyson. I like that one.
Speaker 1: I like that last question, Bro, Okay, this okay. Now,
Speaker 1: when we ask you this question, your answer you have
Speaker 1: to have to you have to help us with this answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: So think of your answer. You gotta think of your answer.
Speaker 1: Who do you want? Who do you want us to
Speaker 1: have on the show. I'm gonna interrupt on this one.
Speaker 1: Let me interrupt on this one. Since you said someone
Speaker 1: earlier that you're very close and personal friends. What you
Speaker 1: call and ask him for anything? We need Drake on
Speaker 1: our show, Bro, and we're gonna put un We're happy
Speaker 1: that with color because man man I was thinking the
Speaker 1: same thing. He was thinking. Way to go, Bro, came Bro,
Speaker 1: It's all on you. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely should. He appreciate you. Tell a boy, tell
Speaker 1: a boy and tell me stack five. Say come on, man,
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Man. That should be
Speaker 1: an easy call. Yeah, it's starting here. We're gonna manifest
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be on the show. Appreciate tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Man. Good luck um in this off season.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I got my fingers crossed and when
Speaker 1: this comes out, you'll be uh in l a. But anyway, man,
Speaker 1: beast to you and the family. Good luck the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. Man. We appreciate your time. No, man,
Speaker 1: appreciate you a man. That's a wrap. Another episode with
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