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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special games. What's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake. I'm gonna tell you that I never

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Speaker 1: told go back. I want to All the Smoke. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. Jack, what's

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Speaker 1: up with you? Bro? My boy? What's happening? Man? I

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Speaker 1: can't call it. Just got out the gym, little boxing,

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Speaker 1: little weights? Yeah, you boxing? Now, what's going on? I'm back? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just in case you know what I mean. It's a

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Speaker 1: new world, just in case you know, you know, you

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Speaker 1: never know, you never know. Smoke on on the way

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Speaker 1: home and then came right home. And now we got

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Speaker 1: Man the homie. I remember working out with this dude

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Speaker 1: when he first came into the league. We're working over

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Speaker 1: uh see, far over Loyola and just to see his

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Speaker 1: steady improvement from the time he stepped into the league

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Speaker 1: to where he is now has been. Man, it's been

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Speaker 1: amazing to watch and uh someone I can call a friend.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. The Marja Rose and what's up, Bro?

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Speaker 1: Going on. What's up, dog man? I appreciate you all

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Speaker 1: for happening. Man. Yeah, definitely an honor. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Overdue overdue, bro, Yeah, for sure. In the

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Speaker 1: Bill Compton in the building. Heymar remember that one man?

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Speaker 1: What was it? Maybe it was like ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Remember that flag football game you had me come play.

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Speaker 1: It was Compton. Who do we play against? It was?

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Speaker 1: It was Brandon Jennings and his crew? Right, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was random, Yeah, it was random it yeah. Yeah. We

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Speaker 1: went out and though. Yeah, that was dope, and that's

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Speaker 1: where all that football stuff started coming from, because you

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Speaker 1: start doing your ship after that then, because if tournament

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Speaker 1: At first, after I played that football game, I told Snoop,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, let's do a flag football tournament. Because

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Speaker 1: I was working with Damar and we played this game.

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Speaker 1: It was comfort the worst Brandon from Guardina. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it was Compton vers Guardina. We had Compton jerseys

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Speaker 1: and everything. That ship was hard though it was out

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Speaker 1: there like really playing football. Yeah that it was fun.

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Speaker 1: She was. Yeah. Well anyway, man, how are you in

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Speaker 1: the family doing uh? Difficult different times? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously with the current climate you were in the bubble

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. How's the family holding it down?

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Speaker 1: Everybody holding it down? I mean bests as they can.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's been like you said, it's been definitely

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Speaker 1: a tricky time. You know, be there with your family

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Speaker 1: the best you can, protect them, enjoy the moments. It's

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Speaker 1: been a crazy triumph time that we've just been trying

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Speaker 1: to push through. Man, just trying to make the best

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Speaker 1: out of it. Every single day. Um, stay busy, stay moving,

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Speaker 1: keep your mind occupied, because it's it's easy to fall

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Speaker 1: into that that that that that darkness, and and and

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Speaker 1: just be down every day. So just trying to keep

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Speaker 1: everybody up the best, best best I can. That's what's

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Speaker 1: up you. Uh, you got a chance to experience the bubble. Um,

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Speaker 1: although you guys didn't make the players, you guys are

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Speaker 1: there and got to play your final handful of games.

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Speaker 1: What was that like? Um? The bubble was whatever you

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Speaker 1: made it to be. You know. For me, I I

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Speaker 1: treated like I was I was going to the Bahamas

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Speaker 1: It really it really was whatever you made it to be,

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Speaker 1: just took. I just took it for what it was worth.

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Speaker 1: You know. I try to, you know, do a lot

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Speaker 1: that kind of keep your mind going because it's easy

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Speaker 1: if you're not playing, or you're not in the gym,

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Speaker 1: you know, and not you know, all you're gonna do

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Speaker 1: is think about, you know, missing your family, missing all

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Speaker 1: the cool whatever whatever you could be doing back home.

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Speaker 1: So for me, you know, I was I was out

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Speaker 1: that's nice, I v yeah, hey hey, but but in

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Speaker 1: total and hole, like, how how would you rate the experience?

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Speaker 1: One question? And two did you watch the playoffs once

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Speaker 1: You know, it worked out perfect. Um, it sucks not

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Speaker 1: are fans as it is, it's it definitely was different.

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Speaker 1: It definitely was was different. But just me being a hooper,

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Speaker 1: performing the way they did. It's tough, man, it's tough.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of a lot of us kind

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Speaker 1: the playoffs came. That was that was one thing that

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Speaker 1: I was interested in seeing, and a lot of guy

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Speaker 1: I showed that you it still seemed like you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at damn. It looked like Dan was playing

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do it when you out there. They

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Speaker 1: you see, you won't see nothing but people eyes because

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Speaker 1: it's you got the reporters sitting over there with their

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Speaker 1: your own different mentality to go out there and who right,

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Speaker 1: So you're born and raised um in Compton. Compton is

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Speaker 1: probably one of the most famous neighborhoods in the world.

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Speaker 1: Between music, between movies, between the athletes, between violence. Tell

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Speaker 1: I wish I could tell, uh you hit the story,

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Speaker 1: For me, it was hooping, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It was always hooping, hanging out with with with with

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Speaker 1: And that was life for eighteen nineteen years, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't know, You really don't know. You only know what

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Speaker 1: you see. Yeah, you only know what you see. When

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Speaker 1: did when did basketball become a part of your life? How?

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Speaker 1: At what age? Um? My dad always put me in

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Speaker 1: everything I've seen. You know, when they when they do boxing,

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Speaker 1: the energy of l a um. For me, Cole was

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Speaker 1: Jordan's he became one of my favorite players. But growing up,

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Speaker 1: I watched every Laker game growing up and Cold was

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Speaker 1: see the start the fails, um, I remember begging my dad, Um,

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Speaker 1: see what he said after the game, you know, comments

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Speaker 1: to want to play sports, especially basketball. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing how you got better the things he went through.

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Speaker 1: Um So the culture of l A for me from

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Speaker 1: you know, I always hurt, always heard the stories like

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Speaker 1: my dad and you know, my uncle's always talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, the showtime Lakers. That's kind of like their generation.

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Speaker 1: But for people my age, like you can't think about

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Speaker 1: him on the chest. He said, I know it show

427
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: far and the motherfucker turned around, and I'm like, I'm like, listen.

428
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: It was. It was a lot of moments like that

429
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: was besides like the Whoman, that was a welcome to

430
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: the league for me, you know what I mean. Like

431
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: I remember Shock, I remember Shack always telling somebody like, motherfucker,

432
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: bet too in the thousand, you won't do this right.

433
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, bro, this is going on, like you

434
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like all those was a lot

435
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: of like I know, I know you're right about Shock

436
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: on me to cut you out, but I gotta tell

437
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: this story about Shock and Shock was very disrespectful to

438
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: the referee. Shack was talking so bad to the referee

439
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: one time Matt and Me and Jaman and it was like,

440
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna call a tech like somebody blow a whistle.

441
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: He looked at us right in front of the referee

442
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: and he told all of us this, I have a

443
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: half of five hundred million in the bank. What the

444
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: funk are he gonna do to me? I said? This

445
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: was during the game, Matt, me and Jail just walked

446
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: back to the free throw line and got ready to box.

447
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: What say so? So those moments for me like was

448
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: like my welcome to the lead ship. What was like? Yo?

449
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: This and I like to this day I always told God,

450
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: especially young guys now like y'all don't know how I

451
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so appreciative to be able to play

452
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: against y'all, you know what I mean, because that gives

453
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: a different type of push on on the passion of

454
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: the game. How it used to be night in and

455
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: night out, like like I remember Cold. I remember my

456
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: rookie year. Cold was like, no, it was my my

457
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: second year. League. Cold came up with me and told me, said,

458
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm a value every time down. I bet you they

459
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: don't call the fucking foul. He used to be like

460
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like like like he

461
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: was a hacky motherfucker boy. Oh man, mother will he

462
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: will beat you up and not like you feel me.

463
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: So it's like my rookie year, I had so many

464
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: of those moments into me. That's that was was the

465
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: craziest ship to me because you don't know what it

466
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: was like. It's not like that now. But I'm glad

467
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: I played against y'all era of that ship because that

468
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: that was some games and ship. Man, it was a

469
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: lot of games you ship going on on the court.

470
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: He said, there was a lot of gangsters. You know.

471
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Is to here is to hear him talk

472
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: about this. He came in in ten. You know, you

473
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: finished fourteen. I finished seventeen. But to hear like our era,

474
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're getting old bro our era. That's crazy.

475
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: It's fun. Yeah, yeah, man, that's crazy. We survived it though,

476
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: We made it out. Yeah, where where are they now?

477
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: They know we at on every TV in the motherfucking world.

478
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: God David. Yeah, so you go into the Man, you

479
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: go into Toronto. You didn't play with Bosh at all? Right,

480
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: he left the year you came. How was it we

481
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: just had him on the show recently? How was it

482
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: playing with Bosh Man? It was? It was amazing, you know,

483
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: to be able to know him. I was teaming up with,

484
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, one of the dynamic players all Stars at

485
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: that time, he being a rookie, obviously knowing and understanding

486
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: his game, who he was, and seeing his work ethic

487
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: when I came in. I remember, Um, I mean when

488
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: I came in for training camp. Um, he didn't really

489
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: do training camp because I think that that summer they

490
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: had did the Olympics and some someone's going on. Um,

491
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: and I remember like wondering, like, damn, why ain't doing

492
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: training camp? Not knowing you know, he's better and he's

493
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 1: going through all that. But I always used to just

494
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: watch his work ethic way he even if he didn't practice,

495
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: how he approached the weight room when he was in

496
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: the gym working out. Once he got on the court,

497
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: everything he did, how he translated over to the court,

498
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: and how he us just used to go out there

499
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: and dominant, go out there and get forty forty five.

500
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, he on the he on the

501
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: plane drinking something. And I'm like, damn you doing this

502
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: the next night, next night, next night, you know, don't practice,

503
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: go out get thirty seven when you know what I mean.

504
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: It was like, and my I ain't doing this. This

505
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: motherfucking is nice. So a lot of a lot of

506
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: a lot for me was always just watching, you know.

507
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: Um um. Then once we got a little bit closer,

508
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, having a conversation. You know, he always used

509
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: to give me a little little small gyms and I

510
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: always used to just run run with him from there,

511
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I never understood the business that young.

512
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: But when guys were selling me like yeah, you know

513
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: he Chris is out of here, and what you mean

514
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: we still got thirty games left in the season, It's like, yeah,

515
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably leaving. I'm like, what you mean?

516
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But it was one of

517
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: those things where I thought I was gonna come up

518
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: on the CEB and learn from him. But that year, um,

519
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: even with him not knowing, you know, I you know,

520
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: every time I see him, I tell him much. I

521
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: appreciate him, um just helping me unknowingly by just watching

522
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: his approach to the game, how you carried itself and

523
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: everything he did. But for me, it was dope to

524
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: be able to play with the least a year. Uh.

525
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: Two questions? Were you a events fan before you got

526
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: to Toronto? Did you did you feel any pressure? You know,

527
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: we're walking in the footsteps because y'all some bus duncan

528
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: motherfucker's boy. Yeah right, I definitely, I definitely was a

529
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: Vince fan, especially when early on when I remember Toronto

530
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: always just especially on the weekend. Toronto used to play

531
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: them early as games like twelve thirty Eastern time, so

532
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: he used to be nine o'clock nine thirty at a time.

533
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: So I used to get up and always watch watch

534
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: um Toronto games. Obviously everybody wanted to see what Vince

535
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: was doing. Um how he always used to explode. So

536
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: I always used to watch vins Um all those guys

537
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: always was. I was. Vents is probably in my top

538
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: five grunning up of players. You know that I always

539
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: had to watch that. I just needed to watch see

540
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: how you got down, always tried some ship he was doing. Um,

541
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: so when I went, you know, I never felt like

542
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I had to you know, model my game or it

543
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: was gonna be hard footsteps to follow, because you know,

544
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I just looked at it like that was one of

545
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: my favorite players and I'm playing for the same team,

546
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: going ahead and do do do whatever I can as myself.

547
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, I never tried to go out there and

548
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: do anything he could. Um. But as time would buy

549
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: to see me slowly start to like break so many

550
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Vince records, then I started looking at it like damn,

551
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: like I never thought I would have did this, you

552
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So, um did it started later

553
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: in my career started to look crazy and I feel

554
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: crazy looking back on it, knowing that I grew up

555
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: watching Vince. Now like every other day he's saying I

556
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: just beat Vince record this, this, and every time I've

557
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: seen him, whenever I did something, he was the first

558
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: one to knowledge it. And you know it was that

559
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: that part for me was was definitely crazy. Big yeah, yeah,

560
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: no question, no question. Chris Bosh leaves you guys going

561
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: to rebid old mode. You go from a rookie to

562
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: like it's your time pretty much your team. How long

563
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: did it take you to feel like you kind of

564
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: really got your footing in Toronto? Um, because I wanted.

565
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: I think that next year we was We was obviously terrible,

566
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: but my my um, the coach at the time was like,

567
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, go for broke when it shooting. If you

568
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: don't shoot, I'm taking you out. Who was the coach

569
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: at the time. Who was the coach? Ja? Yeah, J Triana,

570
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: J Triana. That was his last year and I would

571
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: just remember, like you know, and now looking back on it,

572
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: they wanted me to develop and just you know, go

573
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: out there and be myself. So I went out there

574
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: and just played played who Um. So that year was

575
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: just tough because it was so much. I mean I

576
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: was playing forty four minutes a game. It kind of

577
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: just beat me. Yeah, you know what I mean. But

578
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: it's show me what I needed to work on to

579
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: try to survive for eighty two schedule playing against Roman

580
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: getting beat up every single night. What I what I

581
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: where I need to get stronger at, how to really

582
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: take care of myself, take care of my body and

583
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: all that. So, um, it wasn't it wasn't to my

584
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: fourth year. So I really felt like, all right, I

585
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: got this downpacked and I just took off running with

586
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: it from there. You remember, you remember not wanting to

587
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: come out the games then probably five six years then

588
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: you're looking for them TV time out to looking for

589
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: us up over there the first coming minute I go

590
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: out of game bro. I know the TV commercials by heart.

591
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I know that when that six minute mark. But come,

592
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm about the foul, so be a dead boss, so

593
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: be your time out what I'm yeah, that's the man? Yeah, man?

594
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: How did the additions of Kyle Lowry and Dwayne Case

595
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: to help you as a player and then as a

596
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: as a leader of the team. So Case came my

597
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: third year. Um, I want to say that was the

598
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: lockout year. I want to say that was a lock

599
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: of a year. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to

600
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: say that maybe he was locking lock of a year.

601
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: But when he came, we jumped right into it so quick,

602
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was it was such

603
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a new addition to where you know, we're trying to

604
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. But it was completely it felt

605
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: like another start over year for for me because we

606
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: got a whole new staff, we got new players. Um,

607
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure it out. Um, but case let

608
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: me be me to this day. Uh, Dwayne Casey, I

609
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the player I am to day if it

610
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: was him. You know. He put the ultimate trust in

611
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: me and trust in my working ethic and allowed me

612
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: to be me. He never forced me to do anything

613
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do. He never pressure me none.

614
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: He just completely I need to be myself. You know.

615
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Then when Cale Cale came to the team, Um, we

616
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: ain't get along for the first year. We played together,

617
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: like I swear, like best friends. Man, And that's that's

618
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: my that's my dog. He know I fight him on

619
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: us on the phone right now, he know it. But

620
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: that first year it was so it was so different

621
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: because Cal such a Philly He's such a Philly dude,

622
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and he's such a pest. Yeah, and you know he

623
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: liked so me being always being laid back and chills.

624
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Always used just to watch him, like, man, who is

625
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: he Like? I never talked to him. We never had

626
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: a conversation my first year together. And I don't know, Yeah,

627
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have his number. We didn't go eat, we

628
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't sit by each other on the plane, we didn't

629
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: nothing when I tell you nothing. Only time we talked

630
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: when he called the play like you know what I mean.

631
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: But um, what made me respect him was how hard

632
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: he went like he was always the first dude, the

633
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: first dude. He was the first dude that came in

634
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: the gym in the morning. He didn't did he didn't

635
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: got stretched, left shot, she got stretched again. And we're

636
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: just walking in getting ready for practice. So now when

637
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: practice come, it's like he chilling and practice. I'm not

638
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: why you ain't practice, but he didn't worked out harder

639
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: than what we're about to do in practice beforehand. Now

640
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: it's just basically like a teaching tool for everybody. For

641
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: him when we started practice, and he used to do

642
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: that ship so effort like with no effort. So I

643
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: used to just always watch him, always watching him to

644
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: where you know, I had to do nothing but respect that.

645
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: And as soon as I started doing that, we just

646
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: started clicking unknowingly. And I remember that next year we

647
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs, um, because we we had

648
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: a tricky season earlier that season. Um, the following season,

649
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: I think we started off like six and twelve. He

650
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: was about to get traded. I was about to get traded.

651
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: That was about to blow up the whole thing again.

652
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: And I remember me and col just came together like, look,

653
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: you already got a deal to get traded in a

654
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: couple of days. They're just waiting on some some some

655
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: ship to get final. And I had asked for a trade,

656
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: and we was like, well, fun, we got a week left.

657
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: And that week we we we played like like we

658
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: was on the West Coast road trip. We left out

659
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: of it like four or five. Next thing you know,

660
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: we we wrote them. I'm talking about we beat some teams.

661
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: We beat the Lakers. We we wouldn't go to State one.

662
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: We beat some teams and we're back home to where

663
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: it was like fuck it, let's just let's just let's

664
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: go for broke. We hoop that that that season, I

665
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: made the All Star team and we made it to

666
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: the playoff play Brooklyn. That's when Brooklyn had everybody, all

667
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: the old guys, KG, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, and we

668
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: with seven games with him. My first time to the playoffs,

669
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: most of us first time to the playoffs, and we

670
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: just we without it. And I just remember how Cal played.

671
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I remember he all played, Darren Williams, he we was

672
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: was going at it with with Joe Um Paul kg

673
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: like and we held our own and lost Game seven

674
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: by by point. And from that moment in the playoffs,

675
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I had nothing but respect for him because every day

676
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: he laid it out there. He didn't care about if

677
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: he bust his job, open bust his lit. He the

678
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: first one to get up off the floor and keep pushing.

679
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: So I think from the year that's what that just

680
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: with like took off with our friendship and everything. That's

681
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: crazy how it started. I ain't never heard that story.

682
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: That's what's up. So that was two thousand and fourteen.

683
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: You guys lose to uh to Brooklyn in the seven

684
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: game series. Two fifteen, you guys lose to Washington two experiences.

685
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, you took some of the game seven.

686
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: Then you get swept the following year. So you come

687
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: into sixteen and you guys beat Indiana and seven, beat

688
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Miami and seven. Now you guys are on the East

689
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, finds against Lebron. James paint that

690
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: picture for me. So going into that UM, it was

691
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: tough because we were putting ourselves in tricky situations the series.

692
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: UM going Game seven it's a game seven, being mentally exhausted, exhausted,

693
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: then going play against Cleveland, Um, give me, I think

694
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: we got killed first two games in Cleveland, and you know,

695
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: turned on ESPN seeing everything on social media basically saying

696
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: like we we didn't have no chance um killing us,

697
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: killing me and cal And you know, it was another

698
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: conversation me and Cowe just sitting and a half. It's like, look,

699
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: we we gotta go. We gotta go for broke man, Like,

700
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: we just gotta go out there and let you know,

701
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: we go back home. We went two games in a row. Um,

702
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: then eventually we we we felt we felt to him

703
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: in six. But you know, it was a big test

704
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: for us because it was under so much and playing

705
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: against Brown, you know, it was it was tough. You know,

706
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: the experience wasn't there. We didn't really understand what it

707
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: really took to kind of get over that hump. You know,

708
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: we was fighting amongst ourselves trying to figure it out,

709
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: but to get what we got being counted out beginning

710
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: of the season to the season playoffs, you know, we

711
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: did a lot. What was Battle of Lebron on that stage, Like, man,

712
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: it was it was such a challenge because that was

713
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: the first time in a in a moment like that

714
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: of playing against the player that that was locked in,

715
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: like like he was a coach, like he was like

716
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: like you know, it was the first time like being

717
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: in a series where you know, we call in to

718
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: play and when our teammates came in the game and

719
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: he forgets to play, we was running and Brian telling

720
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: what to do on our play and it was like, yeah,

721
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's like small ship like that, you know what, Like, yeah,

722
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: it just it just shows you, like, yo, dude is

723
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: on a different level that none of us haven't been

724
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: to or understand in the moment when it comes down

725
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: to this, and it was it was, it was. It

726
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: was crazy because it was like, you know, if everybody

727
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: not on wint the court and everybody don't know what

728
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: to do and you have a leader that that been

729
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: in the moments that that that knows what it takes,

730
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna fall behind the eight ball just

731
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: off just off that mental, that mental side of the game.

732
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: And you know, looking back at that moment, she shows you,

733
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: like why it's so tough to beat this motherfucking them

734
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: in them situations. It's hard to win beat just beat

735
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: him four games, like and you're telling me we're not

736
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: on the same page where you can't remember played, but

737
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: this motherfucker don't play. Yeah, we we were was in

738
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: it in for m so he would kind of be

739
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: a roadblock for the next two years to seventeen and

740
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: eighteen played them in the second round. He knocks you

741
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: guys out. What was it like knowing that you guys

742
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: were a good team but just not that next level

743
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: because he was going to the finals every year and

744
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: he obviously wasn't measuring stick. What was that like between

745
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: you and Kyle and your team at that time? It

746
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: was it was frustrating because every every time we got

747
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: knocked out, we was trying to figure it out. We

748
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: were just trying to figure out like our whole mindset

749
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: when it came to the playoffs from that point on

750
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: was you know, we gotta get past one person, Like

751
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: we just gotta get past one person man, Like that

752
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: really was the motive. How can we do that? What

753
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: we need to be able to do that? And we

754
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: just tried a whole bunch of stuff and every time

755
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: we ran it to him. I think it's some ways

756
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: we kind of like panic, trying to overdo it, try

757
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: to overthink it instead of like, you know, making it

758
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: simple for ourselves. And you know, we just kept finding

759
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: ourselves in that same position, not being able to get

760
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: over the arm. M hm. So obviously trades are part

761
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: of the business, um what they say. But obviously you

762
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: being someone who was you know, planted in the roots

763
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: of Toronto, so to speak, um, and then you get

764
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: traded for Kauai Leonard, what was it like? We're surprised.

765
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: I've heard you speak on it a couple of times,

766
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: but I, like, you know, our guests to hear, like,

767
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: what was your thought when you're first like, yo, you're

768
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: really getting traded right now? And then you hear you're

769
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: getting traded for Quiet Leonard. M m Um. I remember

770
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: that when we lost that that last series. I knew

771
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: someone's gonna happen. Um. Rather you know, fire to Coach

772
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: traded me or Cal. I just knew someone's gonna happen.

773
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: And we we Me and Cal talked about it every

774
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: day like and something's gonna happen, Something's gonna happ um.

775
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: So a couple of weeks go by after we lost UM,

776
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: then Bron Bron decided to go to l A. So

777
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: we like, well, ship, that's the only person being lost too.

778
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we have one more chance at this thing, you

779
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like and that kind of like

780
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: ease that kind of like ease our our mind for

781
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: a second, because we're like, man, it's only one more

782
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: fucker that we that we haven't been able to get past,

783
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: like fucking we're about to at least running back one

784
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: more time and give it a shot. Um. And that

785
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: was our mindset until you know, I kept hearing a

786
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: few things, hearing a few things. So when it happened, Um,

787
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: when I got the call being traded, Um, it was

788
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: I was like at a movie premiere or something. I remember,

789
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I left, I got the call, and I was in

790
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: the car. I got out the car, so walking down

791
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: the street, and it just it tripped me out because

792
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, at that time, you know, I

793
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: was nine years in, fully dedicated, and I was just

794
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I wanted to get one more

795
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: shot at it, especially with Brian being gonna you know,

796
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: and not that get the opportunity. I think that's what

797
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: hurt the most instead of getting traded, because you know,

798
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: I had in my mind that you know she ain't

799
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna last forever, you know, in a sense of like,

800
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, something's gonna happen if if we don't get

801
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: to the finals or compete for a championship, you know

802
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um So for me, just not getting

803
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity hurt, hurt the worst. So you're getting traded

804
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: for Kauai the year Lebron leaves, leaving the team that

805
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: we were drafted by nine years with, leaving your best friend,

806
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: seeing Kawai go over there in them triple bounced their

807
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: way into the finals, the Warriors drop life flies and

808
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: you see your team that you were just traded from,

809
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: that you put your blood, sweat and tears in it

810
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: win a championship. How difficult was that to kind of

811
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: digest and kind of understand? Man, it was tough from

812
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the standpoint of you know, all you it started to

813
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: seem like I was the problem. You know. That was

814
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: the most frustrating part, was like people looking at it,

815
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: Oh they're doing it soon as see so as he leave,

816
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: oh see, maybe he was the problem the whole time.

817
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: That was the most frustrating part for me, you know.

818
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: And and that was the part that sucked and hurt

819
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: it the most of me because it's like, man, any

820
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: any real motherfucker's like, look, we can get past one person.

821
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: You're trying to me with the problem. The problem went

822
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: to l A, that's problem. You know what I'm saying.

823
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: You're telling me that, Come on, you know what I mean.

824
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: But that was the part that was more frustrating that

825
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, the common minded person who just watching sees

826
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: sees the game or sees them go all the way

827
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: and look at it like see, yeah, all we have

828
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: to do is get more out of here, and you

829
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: know they go all the way, you know what I mean.

830
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: I think that was the frustrating part that every single

831
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: day it used to make me want to last shout

832
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: like and say something. But I'm like, no, I'm I'm

833
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just eat it. I'm gonna just I'm

834
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna just deal with it. I'm gonna deal

835
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: with because at the same time, all my potler is

836
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: still there, people that basically raised me, still working that

837
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: organization that I still talked to to this day. Um

838
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: So every single guy, I think I said it over

839
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: and over, every single guy when they struggled in the series.

840
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: I had a bad game. I was the first one

841
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: to texting tell them, you know, hold your head, try

842
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: to do this, do this. When they won, I was

843
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: the first person of texting every last person that I

844
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: played with on that team told him congratulations FaceTime on

845
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: that same night. So it was never no animosity towards them.

846
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: It was just more so like the perception of the

847
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: whole thing was more frustrating than anything what a real

848
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: would do. Mm hmm. Now in San Antonio, how does it?

849
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: How was it been building a relationship with Pop? I know,

850
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: with me, I needed Pop coming until the beginning of

851
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: my career because I talking about to be a professionally,

852
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: talking about be a man. And he taught me how

853
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: to prepare myself, to earn my menutes and and and

854
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: to stay on the court, a lot of different things

855
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: with me. But how was it building a relationship with

856
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: Pop one of the great I would? I think it

857
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: was easy? Um for me, you know, coming in being

858
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: an established player, you know, um, listen, you know I

859
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: never had on issues or anything. I was always always

860
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: all ears so coming in, you know, just being able

861
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: to build you know, more than anybody stack when he

862
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: said let's break bread together, on the dinners and all

863
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: that you sit and talk to him and had them

864
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: conversations and you know, you know, pick each other's brain.

865
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was It was a great

866
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: simple transition. You know what. I remember my first probably

867
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: like twenty games, Popo, you just called me right after

868
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: the game, before I even got home, and you know,

869
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, give me certain you know, if advice that

870
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: I needed, you know, take it easy, to take it slow,

871
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: don't worry about this, this, this, and it kind of

872
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: made my transition real, real, smooth and easy, um for me.

873
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: So it was great, you know for the most part.

874
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Other he gives. He gives a different dynamic as a coach.

875
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know more than anybody's that as

876
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: far as like, you know, putting life in perspective, not

877
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: just basketball, you know. Uh, for me, I think that's

878
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: that's a dope quality to be able to go to

879
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: work and and have some days to really break down

880
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: that you know, we play basketball for living. We get

881
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money and play basketball, but you

882
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: know it's a real reality of life that's going on,

883
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, and really put things in perspective. So for me,

884
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: that that's been a dope part to be able to

885
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: have a conversation and talk to him about Yeah, it was.

886
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: It was a fine line of things that he made

887
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: me understand, Like it's it's cool. It's cool to to

888
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: come into this game and be a basketball player and

889
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: do all this, but at the same time, everything else

890
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you gotta earn. There's nothing's gonna be given to Yeah,

891
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: you're a basketball player, you have the great life, but

892
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: in real life, you have to earn it. And that's

893
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: what I always got from Pop. You know what I'm saying.

894
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Get you in the NBA. I love you. Y're gonna

895
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: treat you like a son. I want your part of

896
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: this organization. But in real life you have to earn everything. Yeah, yeah,

897
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: And it's dope and he always and you know, you

898
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: know what's crazy, my bad man to cut you off.

899
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: It's always funny speaking about Popping all that. I remember Pop.

900
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: They told me a story about when y'all was playing

901
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: the Golden State. Y'all had just gotten an argument, something

902
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: happened um about some and y'all before the game. He

903
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: played your music video in the locker room and like

904
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, like I how you told the

905
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: story when he said, y'all, I just got into it

906
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: or something, and the making light of the whole situation

907
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: where y'all came in the locker room for the game

908
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: he played, he played one of the rest video. That's

909
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, we all we all sat down for film.

910
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: I remember that. So he played, he didn't play me.

911
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: He's pulled me out the game last game. I was mad,

912
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: So I can't you know me mad. I showed up

913
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: to shoot around and practice the next day. Attitude, don't

914
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: want to be there. You know what when I was

915
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: starting at that I was starting at the time, and

916
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: so I come to the locker room. I ain't say

917
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: nothing to him all day. You know, Tim was trying

918
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: to get me out of it. Man. We said down, man,

919
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: you know I got the mug on video. Come on

920
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: through feting ready prep for the game. It's one of

921
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: my I was one of my rout videos. Everybody busts

922
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: out laughing dogs. But he knew what he knew what

923
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: he was doing because it got me out of it.

924
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They got everybody and he's

925
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: a genius at that ship. Yes, yes, that's so. That's

926
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: that's my point to speak on pop on how fucking

927
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: much of a gens he is so all of a sudden,

928
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean? Now you don't forgot

929
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: the whole situation. You know that's what's up. There was

930
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: mind games, that's if that's what Phil Jackson was great.

931
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: That was one thing I appreciate about him, the way

932
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: he moved and knew how to push people's buttons to

933
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: get the best out of him. You guys are in

934
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: a tough Western conference with a good mix of vets

935
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: and young players. Obviously, you know rumors swirl in the

936
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: off season. Um, you hear it just like we hear it.

937
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: But when you hear you possibly to the Lakers. Like

938
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: being someone who grew up in l A. Who was

939
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe was quote unquote your m J. I

940
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: know you're a spur, but growing up, did you ever

941
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: pitch yourself in that purple and goat? No? Of course,

942
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: no question, of course, Oh yeah no, I was. I was,

943
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was with his dad. I

944
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: was a showtime That's where I grew up as so

945
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: it was always a dream of mine to put the

946
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: purple and gold. You kind of you kind of remind

947
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: me of a light skinned Michael Cooper, you're stupid as hell.

948
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: The high socks and the baby shorts. But hey, but hey,

949
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: but you said light skinned because you and cook for

950
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: about two y'all the same color. Facts. Facts, Go ahead,

951
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, the yeah, no, without a doubt, you know

952
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. You always have them dreams of doing it,

953
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and for me, it's

954
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: it's I've learned bingl EA so long the tape like

955
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: it's it's you always want to be wanted, you know

956
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. So when you see things about teams

957
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: wanting you, you know you can't feel a certain type

958
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: of way, you better feel good about it, because it's

959
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: it's some other funks that not wanted. That that that's

960
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: that's you know, you know you don't want to be

961
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to be that person, you know, So

962
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: to be wanted by by championship team that just came

963
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: off a championship, you know, to see that, you know,

964
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: how how could you not feel some type of especially

965
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: needed being from l A. It's like, damn, you know,

966
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: my my hometown team want me. They just came off

967
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: a championship. They want me, you know what I mean.

968
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: So it definitely Um, it's crazy to be able to

969
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: see that, you know what I mean? But anybody know

970
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: whatever jersey I got on, you know, I'm I'm gonna

971
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: leat it out there on the line and represent it.

972
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: That's why I can. You always want to be in

973
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: the wanted category. You don't want to be in the

974
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: wanted categories. They don't want a category. Trust me, I know,

975
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: where do you got? Where do you guys? Where do

976
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: you guys practice? Jack? What's the little area called that

977
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: they practice in the San Antonio? What's the city called

978
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: that the practice facilities in? Do you know? Uh? San

979
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: Antonio is in? San Antonio's started eight? It started eight? Uh,

980
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the let's see, I forgot it's been

981
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: away anyway, San Antonio or Elsa Gundo down by the

982
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Elsa Gundo by the beach. But now this, uh,

983
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: this interview is no either way, you're gonna get some

984
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: your Mexican food. I'm to my real mexicool. Not that

985
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: not that, not that text makes ship. I'm talking about

986
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: real Mexican food. Yeah, l A and Texas. I mean,

987
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: this interview is not gonna drop for a couple of

988
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: weeks because obviously we team double Complex and Complex Land

989
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: for this. So I'm just putting it out there. By

990
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: the time this drops, hopefully you'll be a Laker. I'd

991
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: like to see you in that uniform. You don't have

992
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: to come in on it. That's just my personal opinion.

993
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: You don't want to get you in trouble. But that's

994
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm like. That's good to me, Matt, straight up.

995
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I can say that all I want. Yeah, it looks

996
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 1: good to us. The Hall of Fame class Kobe kg

997
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: duncan talk about that man you name name another one

998
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that got some great names like that,

999
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: That's that's ship man like that man, that's one of

1000
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: those ones that I wish I could go to it

1001
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: and be able to witness just all the greatness that's

1002
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: around man. Like like you said, rest in peace, Kobe,

1003
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I wish I wish I was being was there too.

1004
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: You know, here's here speech, you know, but it's I

1005
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: don't see I don't see another class that that that

1006
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: could top that with them, Guys, I'm dead man. You're

1007
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: talking about arguably one of the best shoot guards of

1008
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: all time. Um to the best power forwards of all time.

1009
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: Come on, man, it's it's it's crazy. It's crazy. And

1010
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: February two, thou eighteen, Um, outside of basketball, to me,

1011
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: you did one of the most important things you've ever done,

1012
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: probably without even knowing at the time, but you discussed

1013
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: your battles with mental health. And it's been something that

1014
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: in our community in particular, to show weakness from from

1015
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: a child, is that it's weak. You don't do it.

1016
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: You don't you don't complain, you don't do this, you

1017
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: don't do that. You're tougher out. We're talked to tougher out.

1018
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: We're taught not to cry, We're taught to be tough.

1019
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: And you broke your silence. What made you break your silence? Uh,

1020
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: the way you did on Twitter? Um, I think like

1021
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: the week before All Star weekend, we was on the road.

1022
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: We was on the road and I hadn't seen my

1023
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: kids and in a while. Man, it was on the road,

1024
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: and I remember I think we played like in Shock

1025
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: Chicago or something. I flew home All Star weekend, so

1026
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: I get a couple of days before, you know, the

1027
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: all the weekend festivity start. So um, in my mind,

1028
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm going home and see my kids, not

1029
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: knowing like I'm a startup of the All Star team

1030
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: in l A where I'm from. Everybody in a mama

1031
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: accent for something. Everybody wants something. Everybody and Mama think

1032
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: we're about to hang out and kick it. The only

1033
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: thing on my mind is to go see my kids,

1034
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: spend time with them. And I remember getting home and

1035
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: it's like, as soon as I touched down, everybody in

1036
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: the mama just pulling it and pulling it and pulling

1037
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: it and needing someone on and some got something to

1038
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: say this that, and it's like, I just want to

1039
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: see my kids, man like putting a different type of

1040
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: pressure on me and that, and and I think I

1041
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: just had a build up of being fatigued from the season.

1042
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: Um people just on my head and just the overwhelmness,

1043
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: overwhelming of everything that that was going on. I just

1044
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: remember laying down in the middle night, like three o'clock

1045
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: in the morning, like, man, I got nobody talked to man,

1046
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: I go to Twitter. I tweeted, man I lay down,

1047
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: not knowing the next day we got uh media, not

1048
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: knowing the whole media is gonna be there and asking

1049
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: me questions about this tweet. And I remember waking up, um,

1050
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: everybody calling me like, man, you know what you just tweeted?

1051
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: What you mean this? And that? Like it was? It

1052
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: was it was so much stuff to where it's like damn,

1053
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: and it just put me in a place like, man,

1054
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: fuck it. Man, I've been through so much in my life.

1055
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm just about to express and say what's on my

1056
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: mind and what I've been the way because I've been

1057
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: internalizing so much stuff that I had never even dressed

1058
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: growing up in Compton, from high school, of things that

1059
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: I've seen witness and been through, things I went through

1060
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: in college, things I was going through at the time,

1061
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: like so much, so much pain and frustration and things

1062
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: that we get so great at just sweeping under a rug.

1063
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: You just got to a point to where it was

1064
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: just it was just built up and I was lashed out,

1065
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and it turned out

1066
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: to be something that became a tool and and and

1067
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: something I can help other people with. Yeah, well that's

1068
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: what I always say. You know sometimes when people say

1069
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: why do you share stuff publicly? Because it was just

1070
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: for the with what you said, it's tools for other people,

1071
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when they see someone on

1072
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: the levels we've been to in the Cops that we've accomplished.

1073
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: Knowing that we battle with the same kind of stuff

1074
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: um that they do makes us more relatable first and foremost,

1075
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: but then also encourages people, you know, and and it

1076
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: brings a voice to what what has been voice us

1077
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: in our community for so long, you know. Ic sually,

1078
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Loves spoke on it, Dak Prescott spoke on it.

1079
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Paul George recently spoke on it about being in the

1080
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: bubble um. Is this anything that you've talked to other

1081
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: people who have experienced it, not necessarily like praid paid help,

1082
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: but other players or people who have gone through what

1083
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: you've gone through with your depression. Yeah, And it's crazy

1084
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: because it's like I find myself having a conversation with

1085
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: people that people would never think have something going on,

1086
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: and the being able to have that dialogue with people,

1087
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: and you see the weight left off their shoulders from

1088
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: just feeling comfortable with another person that you know, you

1089
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: know they've been through something and can kind of you know,

1090
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: you kind of feel different, you know. I mean I

1091
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: always tell people it's like, you know, why why do

1092
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: we listen to music? Our music changed every single day

1093
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: because we probably can relate to it and make us

1094
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: feel better. We we get someone else story of what

1095
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: they got going on in their life, what makes us

1096
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: feel better because it don't make us go along, you

1097
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's the same way for people.

1098
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: But so many people just scared to share that story

1099
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: and and and want to sit in front of another

1100
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: person because they're scared to being judged or this and that.

1101
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, For me, I just got to points where

1102
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: it's like, can't nobody come at me or degrade me

1103
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: for for for my morals or what type of man

1104
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: I've been through? Because what type of man I am?

1105
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: Because I know what I've been through, I know what

1106
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: I made it through. I know why I'm at in

1107
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: my life now. So um, you know, just giving somebody

1108
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: else those words will will definitely do a lot. That's

1109
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: so we definitely commend you for your braveness because like

1110
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: you said, it's it's tough. A lot of people don't

1111
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: have the courage to speak up on it, and and

1112
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: and you putting it out there, like you said, we're

1113
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: able to use it as a vehicle to help us,

1114
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: which is dope, man, So good work with that. Recently, Uh,

1115
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: p J. Tucker claims to be. I don't know if

1116
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: it's self reclaimed or everyone, but he claims to have

1117
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: the most shoes and I saw that you almost or

1118
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: did you outdo him? I mean you got a gang

1119
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: of shoes talking to us about your shoe collections. So

1120
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: p J is my man. We played together for a year. Um,

1121
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: but you know p J shows off his shoes. I

1122
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: love him to death, but when it comes to them shoes,

1123
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: I've always been a modest person, Like you know, I

1124
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: played a black background with everything I do. I just

1125
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: sit back and watch anything. But it was just one

1126
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: day I was in a good mood. I was like,

1127
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: man tongue, keep posting the shoes. Don't make me like

1128
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: kill off your shoe collections. Yeah you know what I mean.

1129
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: It was just one of those moments like I know,

1130
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 1: I know who the I know who the Kobe guard

1131
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: is man. Yeah, yeah heard Martin got about four five

1132
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: d ms for me. Asked the shoes. It's nobody. There's

1133
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: nobody by far i've seen with the cleanest Kobe is.

1134
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: He's definitely no. When it comes when it comes to

1135
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: coach by Far and not one person in his NBA

1136
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: I used to tell I used I used to tell

1137
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: being man, I said, you're the only person who got

1138
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: more shoes. Got you got more your shoes than me?

1139
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: Like that's it. I used tell them all it's out.

1140
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: I used to I used to get shoes from him

1141
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: everything ever since I was in the twelfth grade in college, like, man,

1142
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: I need those, like so um that that that would

1143
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: be my thing. So you know it was. It was

1144
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: one of those moments with with PJ, Like, you know,

1145
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: I love people, I know people love on them shooting

1146
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: that the head out there and love shoes. So it's

1147
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: just one of those things where I was just like

1148
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm a um, I'm gonna Tucking just just just makes

1149
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: it fun of him. Ship, No, you got you got,

1150
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: you got some shoes. You definitely could compete. I tell

1151
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: you this, I tell you that. So how many do

1152
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: you think you have? And why? You know, every everybody's

1153
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people that say they should be sneakerhead king.

1154
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: You know you got Djo, you got PJ Tuck, You've

1155
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of people. So how many do you

1156
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: think you have? And why should you wear the crown?

1157
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: I give you the crown for Kobe? Why should you

1158
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: think you should be the sneakerhead crown um. One, I

1159
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: don't show of my shoes. Two it's been just been okay,

1160
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people show off their shoes and one

1161
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: of flex like they got It's cool. You could anybody

1162
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: could pull out four pair of exclusions and be like, look,

1163
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: I got them all. But let's see the whole Let's

1164
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: see the whole thing. Let's see the whole thing. Let's

1165
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: see the you know what I mean, not just not

1166
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: just your closet, because I got a couple of closets

1167
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: and a couple of houses that's full of like some

1168
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: some months, and I got some stories, just got some storages,

1169
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: and I got like, you know what I mean. It

1170
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: becomes a whole different type of game. You'll want to

1171
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: play the shoe game, like, nah, don't you don't want this,

1172
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: Don't you don't want this smoke when it comes come

1173
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: to it. Nah, man, that's funny, that's funny. So obviously

1174
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: talking about codes, I heard a story about earlier on

1175
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: your career. You wore them, obviously been wearing them since

1176
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: the twelfth grade when you played against Kobe Did you

1177
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: wear his shoes? Did you wear a different shoes so

1178
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: so earlier on I remember, I remember who's saying something

1179
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: to me? Uh? I want to, I want to. I'm

1180
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: gonna as Vince if you remember this. I remember Vince.

1181
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: We was playing against Vince. I want to say. Was

1182
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: he playing in Phoenix or something? Vince was like, when

1183
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: you play against Code, did you wear shoes? I'm like,

1184
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: you know I have meant yet, Like why now you

1185
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: you know I was supposed to wear somebody your appoint

1186
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: opponent shoe, a black something like. All right, So next

1187
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: time I played Colde, I wore some Jordan's bro fucking bang.

1188
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: I should have did as soon as I walked on

1189
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: the court. As soon as I walked on the court,

1190
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: Colde was like, oh that's what we're doing, motherfucker, and

1191
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: didn't say nothing to me the rest of the game.

1192
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Ry and you just sounded so much like it right

1193
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: there when he said that, you sounded just like Kobe

1194
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: right there. Dude, that's crazy. He was h he was off.

1195
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: What that game? I swart a guy. You can find

1196
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: a game too, bro. I remember he hit the game

1197
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: when a shot in Toronto, Bro, I remember I had

1198
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: hit when somebody hit a shot put us up like

1199
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: one just they called the time out front of our bench.

1200
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: This motherfucker's walked past our bench when was in the

1201
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: hun said you left me too much time, came out,

1202
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: hit the game, win it right. So I was like, man,

1203
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: so at the game and talked to him. He was

1204
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: like like, damn, man, my bad. You know, blah blah blah.

1205
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: So we went in the whole conversation. That's kind of

1206
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: like when the whole like the Team Mama things started

1207
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: coming about, you know what I mean, like, all right, cool, look,

1208
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: look we're gonna start this whole Mama thing off. You're

1209
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that that kind of kicks it

1210
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: off with the shoes and anything. Yeah, I just I

1211
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: just ran off with it. That's what That's a that's

1212
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: a crazy story. That's yeah. I don't think I never

1213
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: told that. Yeah, but yeah, I swear to god that

1214
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: was him when you said it, because he didn't said

1215
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: that plenty of times. That ship was crazy man. So

1216
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: that's that's how that's how Team Mama started. Yeah, it

1217
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: was like that conversation from that to where it was like, look,

1218
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: look we're just gonna do it from here. You you

1219
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: you you the main option when it comes to it

1220
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: to this, and from then I had start rocking them

1221
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: um all exclusively because I want to say like that

1222
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: next year he started, you know, he had the knee

1223
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: injury at to show the injury. He started, you know,

1224
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: getting hurt in the last couple of years to be

1225
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: the first one to wear the shoes. So I started

1226
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: to be the first one to debut all the shoes

1227
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: um and doing them in our color way, and it

1228
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: just kind of took off from there. That's hell, what's

1229
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: your relationship like with Drake? See, dud you was in

1230
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: Tronto for nine years, he's sononyous with the culture. He's

1231
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: worked his way to team Ambassador Ovo practice facility. You

1232
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just it's just all there.

1233
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with him? Man? That's that's that's

1234
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: my dog and all. Honestly, besides two years and anything,

1235
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: that's really that's really one of my opartments. One of

1236
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: my friends. I called them acts for anything. Hit him

1237
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: whatever I need, you know what I mean. That's really

1238
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: really one of my pottish great dude man, been the

1239
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: same since day one. My first you know, my my

1240
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: rookie year was you know, the start of his career,

1241
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, so to come up and have that relationship

1242
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: with him through through the whole process has definitely been

1243
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: been one of a con you know, to see where

1244
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: he had now and you know he's been to the house,

1245
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know my dog man, good dude, have

1246
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: you have you been to the city drake that new

1247
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: house he got? No, I was supposed to go and

1248
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: we played in Toronto, but he didn't get in time.

1249
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: Get get back in town of time, um man um

1250
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: this past year. But I definitely want to see that man,

1251
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: crazy man. All right, last us. We're in the home

1252
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: stretch right here. Three artists. You're currently listening to three.

1253
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. It could be old anybody whoever,

1254
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: whoever you're listening to right now, three of them. Man,

1255
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Mm hmm. You know what's crazy.

1256
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: I've been listening um Keen von rest in Peace, Mr Peace,

1257
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: k von rescup Peace more three too yeah three? Um

1258
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: you know Keen von lady, Uh my dog problem. I'm

1259
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: poler for contact and listen to him. He got something.

1260
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: He got some new music coming. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah music,

1261
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, he got he just dropped some new new

1262
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: um new one cushion coffee not to a couple of

1263
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, okay, um who else?

1264
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: And then, um, I keep it simple man came rest

1265
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Speaker 1: in peace? Yeah always h You already know if you

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Speaker 1: made a soundtrack of your life three songs, you would

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: have a rotation two parts. So many uh so many

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Speaker 1: tis h yeah classic u um um oh that's a

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: gooing that one for show? Um oh damn, oh that's

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Speaker 1: a going one. You got look at my playlist damn Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got we got him now, mad, we got him

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Speaker 1: now mad. Yeah. I don't want to I don't want

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: to just say anything right right, I said, so many

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Speaker 1: tears is a good start, though, I got that. That's

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01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: the hell of a start. Um Ken Drake Element mm hmm.

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: Gotta go to kid drink Element. That's that's a deep

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: that's a deep one. Yeah. We need some new Kendrick

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01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: music too. Oh it's it's coming. Um who's it going?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm said some minutes kids you them Element, some drags,

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Speaker 1: some nip who else? Yeah, um uh stuck in the

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: grind Yalla. I played that song like. I played that

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: song like ten times today driving back from my workout

1283
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: just kept playing. Yeah, yeah, that's a good call. I

1284
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Um, toughest player you've ever had,

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Speaker 1: the guard um Kevin Martin. Mm hmm, well sne I

1286
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: was a sneaky one right there. Yeah, very people. Don't

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: forget that, mother Kevin Martin. Yeah, and he was someone

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: who learned. He learned how to get that running. Flo

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: shipped off too. He started doing it before the heat,

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Speaker 1: anybody before Louie. He he was a pro with that

1291
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:13,879
Speaker 1: ship you he's the first one easily go shoot fourteen

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Speaker 1: sixteen three day he was. But Kevin, But Kevin Martin,

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: he would He would fool you though, because not only

1294
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: was good with getting files, but he didn't guard you.

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01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: So you think that he let me score is easy?

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: Should I let him scored? Is easy? Guard nobody? He

1297
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,879
Speaker 1: wasn't guard nobody. Dogs. Come on, now, he wasn't guarding nobody.

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Speaker 1: I said him. I know, I know that was I

1299
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: know that was a random one, but it was him

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Speaker 1: in for short D way Flash, Yeah the way early

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01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: on when he was Flash, when he used to have

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Speaker 1: the whole skin report. Don't let him cross back over

1303
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: and reject the screen. You gotta make him either way,

1304
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: either way, he was in trouble. You knew that ship

1305
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: was coming. He's still doing it. Set you up and

1306
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: cross you right back to the baseline every time. Top

1307
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: five sneakers of all time. We know you like the Kovies,

1308
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: you know, but it's the top five sneakers all time.

1309
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: Top five. You gotta go with the Jordan once. Okay, um,

1310
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the m Jordan. Was Jordan's five

1311
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: Jordan threes. You gotta put some You gotta put some

1312
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: chucks in there. Don't play with yourself. Definitely put some chucks. Um,

1313
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: and you gotta go with pennies. You gotta put the

1314
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: phone pop West Coast. You already know. That ship made

1315
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: me laugh though, because I remember when I first went

1316
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: out to Philly my second year. I got traded with

1317
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: c Web, But I was out in Philly in in

1318
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: February with chucks on on, like walking on that street

1319
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: that's like walking with socks on. Like it was codas

1320
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: the motherfucker out there. Man. What I didn't had no

1321
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: code and nothing. That ship hit home earlier when you

1322
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: said bro I went. I had to deal with the

1323
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: cold like I had never I was what twenty two

1324
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: maybe never been in up like probably been in snow twice.

1325
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: I was living in Philly. Bro. If I didn't get

1326
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: to just blow dope the whole time, I might have

1327
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Speaker 1: died out there anyway. Uh. Five dinner guests, dead or alive?

1328
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Speaker 1: Five dinner guests. Um ho mm hmmm. Denzel, you said, Dinzel,

1329
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Speaker 1: Denzel Washington. Hope, Denzel Washington. Uh, Mohammed Ali nice uh

1330
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: um Hope Denzel Mohammed Ali. Oh yeah, mm hmm cold

1331
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Speaker 1: um yeah. Mike Tyson, Oh, Mike Tyson. I like that one.

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Speaker 1: I like that last question, Bro, Okay, this okay. Now,

1333
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: when we ask you this question, your answer you have

1334
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: to have to you have to help us with this answer. Okay,

1335
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: So think of your answer. You gotta think of your answer.

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Speaker 1: Who do you want? Who do you want us to

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Speaker 1: have on the show. I'm gonna interrupt on this one.

1338
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: Let me interrupt on this one. Since you said someone

1339
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: earlier that you're very close and personal friends. What you

1340
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: call and ask him for anything? We need Drake on

1341
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: our show, Bro, and we're gonna put un We're happy

1342
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: that with color because man man I was thinking the

1343
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: same thing. He was thinking. Way to go, Bro, came Bro,

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: It's all on you. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah,

1345
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: I definitely should. He appreciate you. Tell a boy, tell

1346
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: a boy and tell me stack five. Say come on, man,

1347
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Man. That should be

1348
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,879
Speaker 1: an easy call. Yeah, it's starting here. We're gonna manifest

1349
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be on the show. Appreciate tomorrow. We

1350
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Man. Good luck um in this off season.

1351
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Like I said, I got my fingers crossed and when

1352
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: this comes out, you'll be uh in l a. But anyway, man,

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01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: beast to you and the family. Good luck the rest

1354
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: of the way. Man. We appreciate your time. No, man,

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01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you a man. That's a wrap. Another episode with

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Speaker 1: the Margin rose and you can find us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube,

1357
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: and the I Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: all next week. This is all a smoke, a production

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Speaker 1: of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Showtime